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Missouri County Legalizes The Arrest Of Feds Who Try To Violate Citizens Second Amendment Rights.

In preparation of the Biden administration passing potential anti-gun legislation, a county in Missouri passed an ordinance which would invalidate the federal government from infringing on the Second Amendment rights of its citizens.

The ordinance grants the county sheriff "full authority to make an arrest of any and all federal agents that violate state laws and enforce regulations."

The Second Amendment Preservation Act of Newton County Missouri cites the state’s own constitution for justifying the legislation. "All federal acts, laws, orders, rules, and regulations passed by the federal government and specifically any Presidential Administration whether past, present, or future, which infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 23 of the Missouri Constitution shall be invalid in the county," the act reads.

The ordinance would criminalize the enforcement of any federal law that infringes upon the citizens of Newton County’s right to keep and bear arms.

The Second Amendment Sanctuary targets federal policies that order the tracking or registering of firearms of ammunition, an idea that Democrats have been floating recently, the Blaze reported. The ordinance protects all citizens except for "suspected criminals" from gun confiscation.

The second amendment sanctuary movement comes after counties across the country prepare for potential constitutional violations, with Newton County Missouri passing the most aggressive ordinance thus far.

https://thepostmillennial.com/misso...iolate-citizens-second-amendment-rights/
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.
So your answer is to do nothing.You've been a fatalist for too long.

Why don't you have your secretary fire off a letter to the county officials and inform them of your superior knowledge of the law.lol
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.



Second Amendment.... Look it up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Do not have to obey unconstitutional laws.... Look it up.

https://ryoc.us/us-supreme-court-says-you-do-not-need-to-obey-un-constitutional-laws/
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.

You can't just claim "Supremacy Clause". We're talking about not just ignoring the Constitution, but attempting to discard parts of it, at least, so you can't cite a part of that same law and claim it justifies treason.

The thing that people don't want to seem to grasp is that there is only one remedy left when the government attempts to destroy rights in a treasonous fashion. Passing more laws won't make anyone suddenly obey the laws they are currently subverting.

If people are demanding their removal from the planet for heinous crimes in the name of government, then it is time to acquiesce to their demands.
Originally Posted by rte
So your answer is to do nothing.You've been a fatalist for too long.

Why don't you have your secretary fire off a letter to the county officials and inform them of your superior knowledge of the law.lol


I hear you. We passed 2nd Amendment Sanctuary City and County ordinances and resolutions in something like 78 of 82 counties and cities in Virginia last year.

So we have the law on our side.

But they have the law on their side also. And they claim bigger law and better law because they control the bigger police and the military to use against our law and our smaller police.

So what comes next?

If they send 10 of our people to the coroner... will we send 20 of theirs?

Don't get mad at each other. Figure out a resolution of what you will ACTUALLY do...

Will you actually do something?

Anything at all?

Or do you simply sit in a lazy Roy chair with your black lab rug under your Tootsie toes?
This is another interpretation of the Supremacy Clause:

A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state. If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail.
Originally Posted by rte
So your answer is to do nothing.You've been a fatalist for too long.

Why don't you have your secretary fire off a letter to the county officials and inform them of your superior knowledge of the law.lol

Lots to do, but passing bogus legislation that will only come back to bite honest citizens in the ass surely isn’t the answer.

Did you look up the two names I posted and research what happened to then for believing in their legislators and their Governor.

Did you get to the part where the Governor said,
This Legislation was purely symbolic and NOT meant to be taken literally

Not two Kansas GunGuys are forever Prohibited Persons because they believed this “symbolic “ legislation was real.
Originally Posted by rte
This is another interpretation of the Supremacy Clause:

A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state. If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail.


By that standard, states would have the right to secede.
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.
Article VI Sec 2 When a state law conflicts with Federal law the Federal law prevails. That was settled in that little hoorah between 1861 & 1865. That celebration of northern industrial might.
The case you referenced has to do with the manufacture of firearms. Apples and oranges.

Did you read this?

The ordinance grants the county sheriff "full authority to make an arrest of any and all federal agents that violate state laws and enforce regulations."
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by rte
This is another interpretation of the Supremacy Clause:
A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state. If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail.

By that standard, states would have the right to secede.

Your interpretation is completely and utterly false.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/
Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


Steve you're not a messenger,you've become a whiner.

Your post doesn't reflect the truth,just you opinion.
Originally Posted by bkraft
Article VI Sec 2 When a state law conflicts with Federal law the Federal law prevails. That was settled in that little hoorah between 1861 & 1865. That celebration of northern industrial might.

Correct, it’s no different with these States that have “Legalized” marijuana.

They have passed legislation that the use and or possession of Marijuana is not a crime in their State.

But it is still 100 % illegal according to the a federal government.
Although the State can refuse to enforce Federal Marijuana laws they cannot preclude Federal Law enforcement from entering their state and enforcing Federal law.

Several examples of Pot growers and sellers being arrested by the Feds in states that have “legalized” marijuana, especially when firearms are involved.
Originally Posted by rte
The case you referenced has to do with the manufacture of firearms. Apples and oranges.

Did you read this?

The ordinance grants the county sheriff "full authority to make an arrest of any and all federal agents that violate state laws and enforce regulations."

Yes I read that and the Kansas Bill had the same provision, but that didn’t stop the Feds from arresting both Cox and Kettler on Federal Charges within the state of Kansas and nobody, not the police, not the sheriff nor the Governor could stop them.
This guy almost beat Cruz. Think about it.

Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/
Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


Steve you're not a messenger,you've become a whiner.

Your post doesn't reflect the truth,just you opinion.

The “truth” is Kansas passed similar legislation.

The “truth” is that 2 honest Gun Guys in Kansas believed this legislation to be legit.

The “ truth” is that they were arrested by the Feds,

The “ truth” is that they were convicted and their convictions were upheld by the high court.

The “truth” is that the Governor admitted that this legislation was purely symbolic and not meant to be taken literally.

The “truth” is these two are now convicted felons and forever prohibited persons because they were convinced that their State can over-ride Or nullify Federal Law.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Nope, not me, the courts.

And when one gets arrested, that be the place they send ya.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by rte
This is another interpretation of the Supremacy Clause:

A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state. If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail.


By that standard, states would have the right to secede.

They do and always have. If not, we are not a free people, but property of an all powerful dictatorship. That is why we have free elections.....er, wait a minute. Might need to rethink this.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya ever been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USPS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?

What about all the FFL in this county, ya think they are going to no longer do transfers, ya think when the BATF come knocking on their door to inspect their records they will just show them this Bill and turn them away. ...and when they don’t just go away is Sheriff Tom going to come and arrest them.

Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya even been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USOS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?



The NICS check is something many gun owners supported and the NRA actually helped write it's particulars. That said I have in the past ordered guns in the mail that came directly to the house legally. I can see very soon many states renouncing the federal government in a total sense kicking out the federal agencies.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya even been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USOS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?



The NICS check is something many gun owners supported and the NRA actually helped write it's particulars. That said I have in the past ordered guns in the mail that came directly to the house legally. I can see very soon many states renouncing the federal government in a total sense kicking out the federal agencies.

But that will not preclude Federal Law Enforcement from enforcing Federal law.
See ya on the train Stevie baby - you are already defeated.

There’s always one...


Game over man!! Game over!!
The Second Amendment Sanctuary targets federal policies that order the tracking or registering of firearms of ammunition, an idea that Democrats have been floating recently, the Blaze reported. The ordinance protects all citizens except for "suspected criminals" from gun confiscation...................................................Sounds pretty plausible, right? Except for the "suspected criminals" part..... Which could include Trump voters, registered republicans, NRA members, or any other right wing insurgent, terrorist, white supremacist, neo-nazi, or members of any other liberal branded hate group or anyone found guilty of hate speech.
Originally Posted by CashisKing
[quote=rte]

So what comes next?

If they send 10 of our people to the coroner... will we send 20 of theirs?

Don't get mad at each other. Figure out a resolution of what you will ACTUALLY do...

Will you actually do something?

Anything at all?

Or do you simply sit in a lazy Roy chair with your black lab rug under your Tootsie toes?



Rudyard Kipling
The Grave of the Hundred Head

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face --
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race --
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state,
With fifty file of Burmans
To open him Heaven's gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay --
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar's flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shickaris
Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village --
The village of Pabengmay,
And the "drip-drip-drip" from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man's chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below --
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris --
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Sniders squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a white man's head
Must be paid for with heads five-score.

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
See ya on the train Stevie baby - you are already defeated.

There’s always one...


Game over man!! Game over!!


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.
Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.
A couple of weeks ago there were 3 Missouri counties that had passed this. Mine was one of those. The document was signed by 3 county commissioners and our sheriff. I am glad to have it done but if push comes to shove the sheriff will need the help from we the citizens. I have been told that he is ready to deputize citizens for that reason. So it still boils down to we the people to stand in the way. This just makes it less of an organized mob, I think.
"A true patriot will defend his county from it’s government."

T J
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
"A true patriot will defend his county from it’s government."

T J

Agreed
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.



Second Amendment.... Look it up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Do not have to obey unconstitutional laws.... Look it up.

https://ryoc.us/us-supreme-court-says-you-do-not-need-to-obey-un-constitutional-laws/


But once the Supreme Court says a law is constitutional, then it is supposed to be obeyed. With SCOTUS acting like scared rabbits, the Second Amendment is on shaky ground. Under one of the proposals I've seen, one would be prohibited from owning a firearm if convicted of a hate crime. Guess what? Just about every form of dissent from liberal orthodoxy will be labeled a hate crime. Poof, your right to own a gun is gone, and it's all "constitutional".
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.

Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.

Exactly. I’m not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand. It shows a growing willingness that was previously lacking on the right to thumb there noses at tyranny. How is that not a good thing.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
But once the Supreme Court says a law is constitutional, then it is supposed to be obeyed. With SCOTUS acting like scared rabbits, the Second Amendment is on shaky ground. Under one of the proposals I've seen, one would be prohibited from owning a firearm if convicted of a hate crime. Guess what? Just about every form of dissent from liberal orthodoxy will be labeled a hate crime. Poof, your right to own a gun is gone, and it's all "constitutional".


Not necessarily.

The 2nd Amendment really just sits there. It gets cobwebs and dust gathered all over it.

Politicians have been hammering on it for 150 years. But it just sits there.

Until it's taken away, and at that point in time, it becomes exactly as our founding fathers intended...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Literally "...shall not be infringed" means it is a God given right, and no federal authority can revoke it. Including the Supreme Court. The wording is plain and simple enough. The SC is gov't too... And it includes the SC.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.



Second Amendment.... Look it up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Do not have to obey unconstitutional laws.... Look it up.

https://ryoc.us/us-supreme-court-says-you-do-not-need-to-obey-un-constitutional-laws/



Mr. Rbb, you like your flintlock muzzleloader, you can keep your flintlock muzzleloader and as many as you want.

Ball and powder, however, shall be rationed per muzzleloader.

You have the right to keep and bear arms just as your forefathers did,

A Well Regulated Militia shall be defined here-forth as being the United States National Guard.

Considering all of the above, your 2nd Amendment Rights are to be construed as being fully intact and enforced by the SCOTUS.
I reckon some will accept that.

Other's won't.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
I reckon some will accept that.

Other won't.


The point being that there’s many ways for them to “legally” attack the 2A.

If we insist that any challenge be brought back to the original intent at the time it was written you can expect it to be done so in total,

The feds, states and various municipalities already tell you what you cannot have and by those precedents they can proceed.

And they will along with a plan B and a plan C.
Steve, et al,

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and any law passed in violation of the same is in valid.

See Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/5/137/
The 2nd Amendment means what this Supreme Court at this time says it means. And the bad thing is we have conceded so much ground already that it won't be much of a stretch for the Democrat Congress (both senate and house) to succeed at banning whatever they wish. The court will say the nation has evolved and an armed citizenry is not any longer necessary for the security of a free state. Matter of fact it will be shown that armed citizens are detrimental to peace and security. Just watch, we'll soon have "common sense" gun laws. Goebbels would be proud.
All of this back and forth over what the 2nd Amendment means and who protects it and who won't. From the looks of the post on here very few are willing to stick their necks out very far to do anything other than peck away at a keyboard.
Originally Posted by Hastings
The 2nd Amendment means what this Supreme Court at this time says it means. And the bad thing is we have conceded so much ground already that it won't be much of a stretch for the Democrat Congress (both senate and house) to succeed at banning whatever they wish. The court will say the nation has evolved and an armed citizenry is not any longer necessary for the security of a free state. Matter of fact it will be shown that armed citizens are detrimental to peace and security. Just watch, we'll soon have "common sense" gun laws. Goebbels would be proud.


They’re in the driver’s seat. There’s no denying that and they will use the bully pulpit to the Nth degree.

A lot of big mouths here will be tested.
Many people were tested in times past and did more than run their mouths. Our ancestors took on the mightiest government in the world and won. History can and does often repeat itself and you have a choice to make, be a slave or not. What are YOU prepared to do?

As for me my ancestors were in attendance with a Company called "Tulleys Choice" when a fella by the name of Cornwallis surrendered and they didn't get there by running their mouths. They and countless others like them for over 250 years have done so. How can I as an American have them look down on me and not act accordingly? How can I desire to be a free American and not be prepared to do more than talk. The answer to that is plain.

As stated earlier the second is just laying there but it has to be picked up and you can not do it alone. These are just cold hard facts and anything acted upon will be far from easy....
The Supreme Law Enforcement Officer in each county is the elected Sheriff in each county across the land. The Sheriff has the legal authority to use deadly force to protect the citizen’s God given rights against ANY domestic enemy, from ANY agency, who deems they have the authority to commit any unconstitutional act.

https://www.amazon.com/County-Sheriff-Americas-Last-Hope/dp/B002PKCMFO

If your Sheriff won’t use deadly force to protect your God given rights, then it is up to you to decide if you are willing to use deadly force to protect your God given FREEDOM. I said FREEDOM, because if you don’t have ARMS, you can’t have FREEDOM.

You can either put your knee pads on or load your ARMS to defend your FREEDOM.

You better know 100,000% where your Sheriff stands, but you better know 100,000% where YOU stand, because you won’t have time to call for help.

All of these feel good laws and ordinances being passed are a laughable joke to brainwash the public into believing their representatives are actually protecting them and their God given rights are intact, when the fact is, all anyone has EVER NEEDED is a copy of the contract between the government and WE THE PEOPLE.

Once that contract is severed, you have to decide if you will allow yourself to be enslaved, and many have already decided…..to be enslaved, and that is exactly why the country is in the position it is in.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
The Supreme Law Enforcement Officer in each county is the elected Sheriff in each county across the land. The Sheriff has the legal authority to use deadly force to protect the citizen’s God given rights against ANY domestic enemy, from ANY agency, who deems they have the authority to commit any unconstitutional act.

https://www.amazon.com/County-Sheriff-Americas-Last-Hope/dp/B002PKCMFO

If your Sheriff won’t use deadly force to protect your God given rights, then it is up to you to decide if you are willing to use deadly force to protect your God given FREEDOM. I said FREEDOM, because if you don’t have ARMS, you can’t have FREEDOM.

You can either put your knee pads on or load your ARMS to defend your FREEDOM.

You better know 100,000% where your Sheriff stands, but you better know 100,000% where YOU stand, because you won’t have time to call for help.

All of these feel good laws and ordinances being passed are a laughable joke to brainwash the public into believing their representatives are actually protecting them and their God given rights are intact, when the fact is, all anyone has EVER NEEDED is a copy of the contract between the government and WE THE PEOPLE.

Once that contract is severed, you have to decide if you will allow yourself to be enslaved, and many have already decided…..to be enslaved, and that is exactly why the country is in the position it is in.



Pfffftt.
Such laws are fluff and carry no weight in court which is where you will end up. just ask Cox and Kettler.

...and NO, standing up in court waving the flag and a copy of the Second Amendment shouting "Shall Not Be Infringed" ain't gunna cut it.

Yup the founding fathers gave us the Second Amendment to the Constitution and they also gave us this, Article VI, Clause 2,
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby; any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


Montana tried this feel good "Fluff" legislation as well, they called it Montana Firearms Freedom Act .

Shot down by the Courts,
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...mp;as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
luckily before people like Cox and Kettler took the State at their word and got their asses arrested by the Feds.

Anyone that actually believes a county Sheriff is going to arrest successfully arrest Federal Agents enforcing Federal Laws within their county is dilutional at best.



Stop your whining Steve,nobody gives a fu-ck.
Originally Posted by rte
Stop your whining Steve,nobody gives a fu-ck.

I’m sure they don’t, burying your head in the sand just to avoid the facts is pretty typical.

So you go ahead, you take this Bill on its face value, violate Federal Law, post you flagrant violations on Social Media for all to see, then dare the Feds to come after you.

Inform your local sheriff if you intentions so he can have a team of deputies all poised and ready to arrest the first Federal agent that shows up.

GOOD LUCK, You’re gunna need it.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
But once the Supreme Court says a law is constitutional, then it is supposed to be obeyed. With SCOTUS acting like scared rabbits, the Second Amendment is on shaky ground. Under one of the proposals I've seen, one would be prohibited from owning a firearm if convicted of a hate crime. Guess what? Just about every form of dissent from liberal orthodoxy will be labeled a hate crime. Poof, your right to own a gun is gone, and it's all "constitutional".


Not necessarily.

The 2nd Amendment really just sits there. It gets cobwebs and dust gathered all over it.

Politicians have been hammering on it for 150 years. But it just sits there.

Until it's taken away, and at that point in time, it becomes exactly as our founding fathers intended...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Literally "...shall not be infringed" means it is a God given right, and no federal authority can revoke it. Including the Supreme Court. The wording is plain and simple enough. The SC is gov't too... And it includes the SC.


I completely agree with your sentiments on this, don't get me wrong. I understand that 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights, not the bill of privileges. But the way things are going, Amendment 2 will still be sitting there, meaningless, when all who wish to avail themselves of it are locked up for "hate speech" or some other trumped-up felony, unless somebody starts a shooting war.
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