I will start.

How to count change?

Ohm's law?

The three branches of Government

Had an 18-yr-old in lately that had a hard time writing his name...

Use a tape measure.

Inch and metric.


How many lines past tree is dat?

That we live in a constitutional republic.
The difference between statism, and federalism.

How to read... how to write a simple sentence.

Guess it depends on the High School, but I had never heard of ohm's law until I went to tech school for electronics. I would be surprised to find many high school grads that knew what it was.

How to look someone in the eye, extend a hand, and introduce him/herself.

Being able to read at a 7th grade level.

Out of 45 graduates at my High School in 1974, twelve took Physics our Senior year. I promise each of those 12 had a thorough understanding of Ohm's LAW.

I looked it up. Pretty sure we didn't learn that in high-school. I was in advanced math and science classes through pre-calculus and advanced biology and I don't ever recall learning that.

Cursive, penmanship, addressing an envelope, can opener, any board (nonelectric) game.

I still don’t know what it is and have gotten by just fine without it.

Anyway, back to the question:
How many states there are and where each is located.

Also the meaning of the Constitution. The lack of this knowledge is one of the reasons this country is in the state is currently in.

Yes, that is a good one.

How about: balance a checkbook?

or prepare a balanced, nutritious, and tasty meal?

I work at a Bank; that checkbook balancing might as well be alchemy...

I served 4 years as an Air Force recruiter in Sacramento CA with responsibility for about 15 high school areas. I interviewed kids with their high school diploma in hand who could not spell their middle name or didn't even KNOW their middle name, only the initial. I ran across kids who could not spell the name of the school that gave them the diploma. A couple did not know their Mom's real name. Social Security number was a mystery to many. Many flunked the ASVAB with a score of less than 10. Kids from certain high schools would ace the ASVAB while others would be almost certain to fail miserably.

Did you ever attempt to plug a 110 volt appliance into your cigarette lighter?

Or go to an internet forum to find out if it would work?

That they voted by mail but we're not yet 18.

Able to cook a simple meal.

.... what socialism means.

The Teachers UNION on Full Display

Knowing the Constitution....LOL

As is typical I assume, our High School History and US Government teacher was the basketball coach. Pretty good coach (I was given to understand), not much for a teacher.

Senior Year Government Class: Split into two groups, House and Senate W/ committees in each. Each committee presented a bill.
Coach Teacher: Um, Mr Shooter. What subject does your bill pertain to?
Idaho: Euthanasia and circumstances where it shall be legal.
Coach Teacher: Why in the heck would it be illegal for kids to visit the Far East?

No, he was not the brightest bulb in the box, but he got the Varsity boys to State for about six years running.

I learned some basic electricity concepts in high school physics but I'm sure a lot of high school graduates didn't take such a course.

If you wish to denigrate the education of others, please use words properly. It adds effect.

Our Government teacher was one of the best teaches I had. Tough, but good.

When I was in school we learned that in junior high science.

My wife is 17 years younger than I. We are both astounded at how much was omitted from high school between the years I went and when she went. (We went to the same school, by the way.) As a college professor today, she is dismayed at the lack of skills and knowledge so many come to her with.

Should be mandatory in every High School.

That they "graduated from high school", not "graduated high school"?

Like I said, depends on the High School. I graduated in 1975 at a small school with out many choices of classes. We did have physics, but I didn't take it. Didn't learn Ohms Law till tech school. Then made a living with it.

Easy and quick answer.... Public Education.... It's not there to teach the 3 R's it's there to indoctrinate people to rely on government assistance in order to survive!!!

Schools in predominantly WHITE towns still teach for success while schools in predominantly black towns teach victimhood!!! FACT 💥

I thought it was. It was required at our school. Just assumed it was everywhere. Maybe not?

I have a confession to make. I graduated with a BFA from UC College Conservatory of Music with honors in 1980. Much to my chagrin, I had to re-learn how to do long division by hand after taking a Christmas job at Radio Shack. I'd just not needed it. It was very embarrassing. Mind you, I'd taken Astronomy labs where I'd had to calculate the height of craters on the moon and the transit times of stars and even calculated the rotational velocity of the rings of Saturn, (all with a fancy scientific calculator) but somehow I'd lost the ability to do 4-function math in my head. Most of my time in college had been spent learning to write novels, short stories, and movie scripts.

It has a happy ending. That was 1980. I was so backward in math that I ended up programming computers for a living. By 1987, I had been forced to teach myself Calculus to comprehend the inner workings of the Yield-to-Maturity method of bond amortization and my mutual fund company was the first to do it programmatically when other houses were still having their portfolio managers crank it out on a special bond calculator. I'd had to dissect how this calculator did its internal rounding so I could match the calculations.

So, I did recover from this lousy math deficit. My warning is: use it or lose it.

How does one graduate HS without knowing ??? Simple answer.
The diploma now officially is a participation trophy. Designed by teacher unions, supported by weak-kneed school officials and school boards - paid for by uninvolved parents.

Ohms law, Boyles law and what ever the C1V1=C2V2 thing is called were well drilled into us by our high school physics and chem teachers. I also knew I lived in a constitutional republic ( though I am not so sure about the last one anymore), but I am fairly sure the others still work.

Socialism doesn't work.

Bb

In college we were asked to fill out reviews of our professors. I did one for my English professor and in the write in section I wrote, "He teaches English real Good." They were anonymous but the professor received copies of them. One day in class he broke it out and said do I even need to ask who wrote this as he walked across class to my desk and put his foot up on my desk and glared at me. The whole class was rolling as he read it.

Bb

When I read student reviews of college algebra classes I taught I noticed a strong correlation between positive reviews and good writing. There was also strong correlation between negative reviews and poor writing.

That about sums it up in more ways than one.

Piss poor parents, piss poor teachers.

I spent the Summer after I was commissioned teaching potential recruits how to pass the ASVAB at NRD Pittsburgh. This was 1979, and fractions were kicking a whole lotta folks asses even back then.

Graduated High School and University and don't know what that is.....


Mike

Fractions? I've heard a number of petroleum landmen tell stories about having difficulty convincing a landowner that a 1/5 royalty was better than a 1/6 royalty.

It could be that my hearing is totally shot, but most teens/early 20s folks sound like they are talking with a mouth full of marbles.

Also, one of my pet peeves is when young folk don't understand that the government is one of very limited, narrowly defined powers, and other than those few things that the Constitution empowers government to do, it is the individual, not the government, who is supreme.

U.S. history.

Okay, for the guys who do not like the example of Ohm's Law. Most of you do know it, but just do not realize you know it.

Current (amps) equals volts divided by resistance.

If you plug your 120 V toaster into a 240 V circuit. The current flow will double and burn out the toaster.

If you plug your 120 V toaster into a 12 V outlet, It will not push enough amps through the circuit to warm your bagel.

So, really, how many here did not know that?

I’ve had to teach college freshman math that I learned in the 7th grade. Our education system is a complete failure. My pre-k daughter can already read, write, and do basic mathematics. My publicly educated 7 yo nephew, who is very intelligent, is on the same level. They teach to the lowest common denominator in public schools. Guess what that means when schools are located in areas where education is not valued and actually ridiculed since selling drugs, pimpin, and theft are seen as a legit means of providing for one’s self?

Evidently most didn’t take auto shop in high school. Ohms law was one of the first things taught.

Many and I mean many have the mentality their is 0 need for retention.
Electronics do their " thinking and work" for them.
Instant brain dump after something is done.
Also makes teachers life's easier with less hassle.


98 to 01 recruiter for the army.
2 Questions off the cuff to see if someone could pass the asvab upon intial interveiw.
Then put em on the prediction test on the lap top.

What is the square root of 49 or 81

What is the meaning of the word chaos in your definition.

Answer both without hesitation.
Score as a high A easily all day long

Little bit of thought for both
Mighta thrown em for a loop intially outta the blue.
More than likely a strong A

Answer the math one or english one fast and a little slow on the other. Answer the math one fast.
Easy A or a strong B

Answer one
B

Answer neither and need a explanation.
You get the "oh yeah I know that" comment alibi

Stump with lips....

Mary Kay Letourneau taught everything I needed to know.

So Slum those 8 seconds a day stayed with ya?

Wasn’t saying that the law isn’t important only that I don’t know it and have gotten by fine.

No I haven’t because I read labels and know what works with what power source. I’m probably applying knowledge of the law you cite but still don’t know it.

She never complained

The things that a person knows are always of the utmost importance, while the things that others know are mere trivia.

In 1974 Ohm's law had yet to be defined and discovered. You were still using cunieform and working on developing proto-hebrew language.

Always good for a grin.

Rural Idaho was much advanced for the times.

Write a check and balance a checkbook.
Read a tape measure
Have a basic concept of the three branches of government
Understand the world doesn't owe them chit, and they only own what they can hold onto.

We like us best .

Oh, but you definitely know it now. See how educational this place is.

Yes, you have been applying knowledge of the law.

Why don't you buy six volt head lights and put them in a 12 volt vehicle?

They sure would be bright, for a little while.

One does not have to write an algebraic equation to understand many of the laws of nature.

The algebra just makes them easier to put into a textbook.

The schools are too busy teaching that Heather has Tow Mommies'.

One thing I know is the plugs won't fit

They graduate because someone lets them copy their work on tests.

try tweezers 👍

What? You must be using factory plugs.

Ask a HS kid who Ben Franklin is/was

The ability to read, comprehend, critically evaluate, and be able to discuss the salient points.

In other words, a functioning bullshat detector.

I have been in a store, power was out, cash only, and the 19 year old clerk could not make change. When I was in school you wouldn't pass fourth grade if you could not subtract 7.38 from 10.00
Fourth grade.

Ohms - it's not just a suggestion or an idea, it's the Law!

I could read pretty well by the time I was 4 or 5. My kids could read before they started kindergarten. One of my girls could read amazingly well at 3 years of age. During my career I often took written statements from young adults and it was hard to believe how ignorant those statements were or should I say how ignorant the writers were. Very often they were hard to make any sense of at all. Some were HS graduates. How do these people hold a job?

Don’t wanna harsh a good bash thread but there’s a lot of kids coming out of high school than can leave you/me in the dust with what they DO know.
They aren’t all drooling retards.

How to wipe your ass with one sheet of toilet paper.Very useful in Spring 2020.

We are only discussing the window licking majority at this time. We can get to our own genius level progeny in a different thread.

Not harsh - just a bit off target for this thread. Most of us have, or know, kids and grandkids who are top learners and performers. But, that is our expected norm - not some feature. Our hopes lie with those kids. It is the big majority - the designed ignorami - that we are discussing here - and reasons.

OK there is Ohm's Law...as written in textbooks. Listen up pilgrims, I'll give you the real life Ohm's Law. When you grab the Ohmmeter out of your tool chest...the battery will be dead. Turns out, Herr Ohm and Mr Murphy were related.

Hell he had all them variety stores before Dollar Generals came into vogue!!

They don’t need to read, rite, rithmetic. They get on welfare.

24-hour clock

Nobody knows how to properly figure change in
their head, or to count your change back to you
aloud. And they struggle to figure out the correct
coins to hand you out of the drawer.
They can't figure any of it out without looking at the
register display.
Few these days remember the time when the lady
checking you out would pick up each item with one
hand and move it down while punching the price
into the register with the other hand and not having
to look at the keys and everything would be correct
all the while the man would be sacking your goods
All before scanning, and they didn't miss a beat and
things moved along pretty much as fast or faster
than a modern cashier can scan and sack up
everything theirselves, including not having to
open up a paper grocery bag.
They were skilled

Self checkout

Appliance, no. 110V impact wrench on a 400 watt inverter a few times. Didn't have a 12V plug for my laptop so I've plugged that into a 400Watt inverter as well.

Mine was tougher than that 😂..... He asked if we new the difference between our left & right and if we ever smoked weed.

I bet those who are "undocumented pharmacists," bootleggers, and bookies (or who work for one of those) can tell you who Ben was, or at least could ID his picture. Those whose parents work on a cash basis could too.

Dude on a Hundo......

Buncha boomers. Lmao

And even more important, what to do with it!

Lol!! Took my asvab in the federal building in Bangor.
Higher than a Georgia pine.

76 QT
121 GT

Recruiter bout schit his pants when he got the result
Trying to sell me all types of jobs

Im like .....
I just wanna join the infantry for 4yrs and go to ft carson to hunt in colorado.
Get some college money and become a game warden in maine.
Quick ship ready ta go, get the fugg outta maine ricky tick.
Got higher than a Georgia pine at that Mepps motel the night before.
Werent no pizz test in 83.

We started with 144 and graduated 11 series OSUT at Harmony Church with 99 after the dust settled and the couldnt hang types got sent back to the civilian world.
All COHORT unit privates going to fill in a company at Ft Carson.

I discovered I was a really good grunt and liked it.
And had ldrs I really looked up too who seen something in me telling me to stay in and move up the food chain.

24 yrs 5 months 9 days...
Lol!!!

Glad I didnt become a game warden.
They get schit opportunities to hunt.

Kyptonite....

Shouldn’t anyone that graduated high school be able to figure out something so basic?

I’ve read a lot of threads on here, many are from pointy heads that go around correcting others’ punctuation, jots and tittles but yet they are brought to their knees by self checkout.

They know who they are.
+
We know who they are.


LOL

How to say a sentence without the damn word like. Aggregates the he!! Out of me.

Some things just aren't taught. I took calculus in high school and 3 more semesters in college. At the end, I didn't have a clue as to what it was used for. It was all theory with absolutely zero application. It was years later when I found out what it was used for.

Wipe there own A$$

their

Was at a Phoenix Suns preseason game sitting behind their bench. A note was handed down from the stands to the rookie 1st round pick center from Memphis. He couldn't read it. Handed it to a teammate to be read.

All the way through high school and a few years of college and couldn't read.

Be nice....
LOL!!!

they're

Don’t aggregate the situation.

I seen what you did there.

What was your major?

How to accept responsibility - and how to speak clearly.

The one that get me is every 3 or 4 words they say "you know what I'm saying" or just "you know". No I f'ing don't know because you're take sai damn long saying it!!!
These 8lb waterheaded teens now-a-days just makes me constantly shake my head!

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Don't laugh. I've had mulewrights bring a part up to the machine shop tape measure in hand with the tape pinched between two fingers telling me to take this much off the part...

You can graduate when you know how to fill out a mail-in ballot.

These folks are ready for a vector analysis course.

Why we have the Second Amendment and the history that made it important.

Is dat about where mosquitos breed?

Ohm's law, common maan, there's a lot of resistance to that in the current situation.

We're in deep doodoo.

The impedance to understanding may be complex and then thinking gets out of phase.

Most of them can’t name the first President of the USA. Or know who won the Revolutionary War.

They know how to play video games, send a text message, and order a pizza.

You want to really Fugg with them ? Give them a rotary phone and ask them to place a phone call. 😜

He never learned the value of a dollar, as a child!

It may be 50 or 60 cycles before we really know what's going on.

Wasn’t it AOC that said the (3) branches were, The House, The Senate and The President.

That was Tommy Tuberville.

Learned more laws in physics, geometry, and trig than one can shake a stick at. Can I bring everyone of those to memory. Absolutely not, but I do have about a 500 page book of equations on my desk that I can reach in seconds, and it's provided every solution needed over the last 40 years.

try to teach younger guys that pipe wrenches.channel locks and crescent wrenches are directional, how to apply teflon tread tape on correctly. another pet peeve , how to tie knots.

How to wrap a chain around a post correctly when pulling the post out with a front end loader.....

Another dead president!

There will always be people that will not internalize which way most (right hand) threads tighten/loosen, or which way to twist a key to unlock a door or which way a hose bib will increase or decrease water flow. Trial and error is their method. Heck I had a book smart friend who couldn't internalize left from right!

How to use a belt to hold your pants up

When I was in Basic Training, I quickly got the nickname of the Professor, Since i was a college Grad...

The black guys use to write their mother 3 times a day it seemed, and almost all of those letters seemed to come right back to the base post office as undeliverable...

The drill sgt pulled me out of formation, and told me that I was to take most of our black guys in our platoon, into a training room
and teach them to address an envelope....this was per express orders from the Battery Captain, who was black...suggested by Senior Drill, who was black...

even they were shocked that so many of the black guys couldn't address an envelope...

later I had a second class, I was ordered to do... this time it was a couple of white guys from Georgia from our platoon, along with a batch of others from other platoons..

out of 200 guys in our Company/Battery ( Ft Sill, artillery base, hence Battery), the average educational level of our unit, was 10.5 years of school...more than 50% of the guys never graduated high school... also something like 40% of the guys in the unit, were given a choice by a judge, to either enlist or they'd be looking at 2 years in jail....

I thought I had a pretty good handle of what stupid was.... but basic training showed me new dimensions I never thought existed in this country...

I was smart enough to see that those 120v/240v/12v receptacles and plugs can't/don't go together.

I had trigonometry in high school and college back in the middle/late 60’s - I still dig out my Machinist’s Handbook every once in a while to calculate an angle or something.

I like seeing youngsters at the checkout counter - I’ll buy something for $8.17 for example, hand them a $20, and wait until they ring it up. Then I’ll hand them a quarter and say take the change out of this”.

They’ll stare clueless at the quarter and have no clue what to do. Then I’ll tell them how much they owe me back. They’ll do it but they’re not really sure about it.

I think the only way they can do any kind of math is with a calculator.

Dexter Manley formerly of the Washington Redskins graduated from High School and played football at Oklahoma State before his pro career. He admitted later that he was illiterate.

Ron

I've seen that video on Youtube... that is hilarious....

yet take my son.. he had a 4.0 GPA from like the 4th grade until he graduated High School, plus he had credit for a bunch of college level courses along with that..

then here's the same kid, he's given a low mileage Scion my folks had , who in 5 years put 20,000 miles on it..

so I tell him he needs to go down to Walmart, and pick up oil for it.. I show him an empty jug of the Mobil One I wanted him to pick up.. I told him his car takes 4 quarts, but to pick up a 5 quart jug vs the individual quarts...

he get home and is madder than a wet hen...complaining profusely on how expensive it was...we got out to his car and he pulls out 5 of the 5 qt jugs...complaining, "This was $120.00.. just for a damn oil change...

I asked him why did he pick up 5 jugs... he tells me because I told him to.... No son, I told you to pick up a 5 qt jug.....with his response... that is why there is 5 of them!

Son, one jug holds 5 quarts? "Well dad how do you know that?".... because it says so right on the jug....

Son, HOw many quarts are in a Gallon? Son's Response... "How in the hell would I know that??"

He works at the local Hospital, and makes $50K a year.. yet at 26 years old, he still doesn't know simple measurement of fluids and capacities... can't tell ya how many pints or quarts are in a gallon... how many pints make up a quart....

Well at least he knows how to make change....I've seen kids who are surprising intelligent, yet don't know how many quarters or nickels or dimes that make up a dollar...
or even how to tie their shoes... they use slip on shoes or velcro grandpa shoes their entire life... and don't know how to make change, because they use a credit card for every thing they purchase...How in the hell do 14 year olds have credit cards???

oh and my son did take the other 4 jugs of motor oil back to Wally World for a refund...

kids of today, don't know the basics that we were taught by the third grade.... that is why they live in a "Everyone gets a trophy" world....

Math was theoretical and a mystery to me until HS Physics. Then it all made sense and I ended up learning well more math than I ever needed in college and enjoyed it. It is a use or lose skill. I had to review a paper for an employee last year with some pretty in-depth crypto-math and had to refresh my own skills to be able to make sense of it.

Like you must be able to use "like" in a sentence at least 3 times - like this.

My five year old grandson can name every major bone in the human body. My three year old granddaughter is not far behind.

Try helping a thirteen year old granddaughter with her math homework but you have to use common core... 🤯

How 'bout that lattice method. I was helping out my 17 year old daughter with physics last week, and I had to
look twice at more than one problem. She's struggling with it, but I'm glad she's taking it.

How does a parent let their kid turn 18 without have teaching them basic life skills like counting change? Letting schools do all the teaching is part of the problem we have these days. Heck I took higher math in high school as well as business math and financial management in college , earn a duel degree in business and marketing with a minor in accounting and never had a single class in counting change.

It's called government mandates along with teachers that are basically challenged. Mandated testing leads to teaching the test to the exclusion of all else. "No child left behind" was a huge incentive to cheat and cook the books. Any time government gets involved in anything it gets destroyed with constant manipulation.
If government was interested in teaching our children they wouldn't be so afraid of Charter Schools. It's not about teaching. It's about control. It's about tax money. It's about unions.

Want to get your numbers up just graduate everyone. It's more about social promotion than anything.

Walked into the parts department office one afternoon after eating lunch until time to start work again. Three other coworkers at their desks trying to figure out how many feet were in a mile and how many acres in a mile. One guy was about 35 years old with a degree in business and marketing from major university, another was in his middle 20s and in his second year at a local community college, the third guy also about 35 and graduated from high school, and I was the oldest at almost 60 at the time with just high school a high school diploma, too. After a few minutes of watching them throw out all sorts of figures and formulas, I piped in with, "there's 5,280 feet and 640 acres in a linear mile" They all three stopped and stared at me then asked how I knew that... I responded with, "we had to memorize weights and measures in elementary school back in the '50s"...

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And that episode perfectly illustrates why so many jobs today are listed as requiring a college degree when the requirement 40-50 years ago was (and should still be today) a high school diploma. In fact, someone who went to school in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s was much better prepared to function in the real world than many of today's college graduates, as your story shows. I'm thankful I went to school in a small town that had agriculture, shop, and home economics classes.

640 Acres in a SQUARE mile.

A "linear mile" doesn't give enough information to calculate acres or any other measurement applied to area rather than distance.

All three are very intelligent and experienced guys. The university graduate grew up working on their family farm, the second guy attending community college had served two hitches in US Army Armor and left with the rank E-6, the third was a whiz on computers and hard-wired multi-line phone circuitry and the companies best trouble shooter on both. Two of the three attended small town public schools, the university grad I can't recall now if he went to public or Catholic schools but either would have been small schools. My younger sister attended the same school as the computer whiz and was one year ahead of him. They were taught to spell phonetically and she still can't spell very well and neither could he.

Good point.

So despite not knowing things like how many square inches in a hectare, proper use of obsolete hand tools and operation of archaic technology, they have managed to acquire the skills most useful to the world they currently live in and thus make a good life for themselves....weird!

Many teens come to class trashed after late night partying and sleep in class, those not asleep are texting/playing games on their cell phones. My HS teacher wife fought these battles on a daily basis. Some teens lack motivation to learn therefor due to social promotion graduate HS functionally illiterate. I witnessed the result of this when I returned to college in the mid 70's, I was amazed at how dumbed down the classes had become. Just a moderate effort and you were able to easily ace most courses, far different from when I was in college in the mid 60's.

The reason all these things happen is due to previous generations not paying any attention to the changes in curriculum and policy in the public school system.

You’re witnessing the product of their parents. Or more accurately, (in most cases) their grandparents.

Kids can't even balance a checkbook, or work out a budget, figure fractions for mechanics, carpentry, and welding and metal fabrication. Counting change back is a big one.

I think it should be required to not only know the constitution, but WHY each of the rights were in there and learn to respect those rights. No cancel culture, no gun control, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

You want a eye opener? Quiz someone on ounces, cups, pints, quarts, and gallons. Common sense is lost in this country,

I think the point here is, all students and even highly motivated students are and have been getting short-changed by public school's never ending "progressive" curriculum designed to meet the lowest level student's abilities. What they achieve beyond school is all due to their own personal drive or lack thereof...

What is evident here is that we have a urbanized society that is so focused on themselves, they can’t see that they are to blame. Schools became liberal and lack focus on education because we let it happen. Kids used to go to school for an education, now they are sent there to be taken care of while the parents both work to get a bigger house and a newer car.

This is what America has become because we let it happen. Anyone that has a kid that can’t balance a checkbook or write a cognitive sentence is more to blame than the school system. It became worthless because we let it.

Any parent that lives in the same house with a stupid kid is dumber than the kid.

Can't make this up....just can't. Mother is blaming the school.

City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA


https://foxbaltimore.com/news/proje...anks-near-top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa

Do basic math and figure out how much the 200% interest that the check cashing place is really costing you...............

I went to probably the smallest school in Rural Alabama (my graduating class had 28 people) and we covered Ohm's law in Physics..smdh. I'll bet if you didn't learn Ohm's law it is probably because you took the easy courses...

The article and video say they're taking him from 12th grade and moving him back to 9th grade. In reality, he should probably be moved back to 3rd or 4th grade.

These too from the same site. I don't understand how any parent can be so disconnected from education of their children.


City Schools Launches Grade Changing Investigation Following FOX45 Report
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/proje...ing-investigation-following-fox45-report

Emails from Baltimore City Schools Show Culture of Grade Changing
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/proje...y-schools-show-culture-of-grade-changing

6 Baltimore schools, no students proficient in state tests
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/proje...ls-no-students-proficient-in-state-tests

Yeah can't argue that, I see more homeschooling and private tutoring out here these days. People getting together and hiring teachers/tutors for their kids seems to be getting more popular too.

The Earth orbits the sun and the moon orbits the Earth.

How to tie a simple knot beyond over hand hatchet knots that 2 year olds tie.

How to sharpen a knife.

Humility.

She is so uninvolved with her child's life that she just now finds out he had been flunking out of school for four years?

And that is someone else's fault?

Biden voter for sure! Probably twice. Possibly thrice.

I had a friend’s step son out here helping me with some fence and firewood a couple years back. He is about 30 years old.

Deep blue sky that day, he says to me “hmmmph....when did the moon start hanging out during the day” ??

youre shîttin me, right? lol

Is it just me seeing the irony of this thread?

The kids you're raising are the ones struggling? LMAO.

It is not so much memorizing the data, or even the actual formulas to calculate the answer, but knowing how to find those formulas and then manipulate them.

No, I do not know, for instance how many sq inches are in a hectar. But I could find the formulas and scratch the answer out in about two minutes
And I feel safe in the proclamation that anyone intelligent enough to find this website and write a coherent sentence on this board could do the same.

Maybe, with the exception of our liberal trolls.

2.471 acres per hectar
43,560 sq ft to acre
144 sq in to sq ft

Who can not punch 2,471 x 43,560 x 144 = into a calculator?

Noticed several references pertaining to the ability to balance a checkbook. Bet I haven't written a check in over 25 years, thought those days were long gone? On very rare occasions I still see some little old lady holding up the line in Wally world while she scribbles out a check, always amazes me the practice still exists?

The education system is run by leftists. Leftists dont want you know what your constitution says or what your rights are because then you might oppose them stepping all over them. That knowledge will have to come from parents. After two generations of dumbing down and it takes a village to raise a kid mentality great parents are is short supply.

He lernt that whilst head coach at Auburn, the Trailer Park masquerading as a University. LOL! RTR

But you somehow keep track of your account balance so you do not overdraft?

We had a secretary at work. She called the bank a couple times per week to check her son's account balance. If it got low, she would transfer money into it.

Her son was 35+ years old, single, employed. She and her husband were breaking $100k/yr, but not by much.

I went to basic training in 1969 and had more than a few of MaNamara’s 100,000 in our company and later in Vietnam. I could hardly believe the ignorance and lack of aptitude of these guys and some of the regular guys, too. It was a pathetic experiment by our democrat administration. Some couldn’t even tell time. Sad.

All they really need to know is how to talk to that bitch SIRI.

I don't even have it enabled on my phone.

As I recall, my wife was using it once, and I exclaimed "Fook"- and got back "That's not nice!"
Cracked me up.

You didn't know, huh?

Carter Administration.

That old lady is probably taking her time just to set a practical example - show some spoiled younger ones how to live right. Some folks even still read books and stuff like that.

This is most of the root of the problem - and those who have taken over the disgraceful aspects of "public education" took advantage of that inattention on the art of those who own the system.. The parents who stay deeply involved with the education and training of their kids and who expect/demand quality outcomes, seem to be in the minority. They are raising what amounts to a breed apart - the gap between the have and have not is widening by the day. It is a sad and frustrating challenge for those have nots who eventually realize their shortcomings and try to make up the gap later in life.

Abortion is a horrible practice, and that horror also is probably saving a whole bunch of kids from having uncaring and irresponsible parents. So much for the free-love drug culture spawned in the 60s and its inevitable products in society today.

I agree, but you can read and interpret your statement.

Who was responsible for those free love hippies from the sixties?

Inattentive and uncaring parents during the forties and fifties. It is not a new problem.

I was talking with a 9th grade social studies teacher and she does a little "test" at the beginning of the school year to see where kids are at. She told me 1/3 of her class didn't know where the capital of the US was. We had those memorized by 2 or 3rd grade when growing up.

Teachers Union on full display.

As are the parents.

This is from Paul Shirley's Can I Keep My Jersey?. At the time, he was with the Grand Rapids Hoops of the CBA.

"I barged into our locker room prior to a recent game to find some of my teammates embroiled in a heated debate. They could not come to a consensus regarding the number of states in our country.... Two thought there were fifty, while the others contended that fifty-two was a more likely answer. But neither party could win the support of the other. When I arrived on the scene, the group appealed to my vast knowledge of third-grade social studies for a final answer. After an initial reaction of incredulity, and actually, indignation, I set them straight and then decided to press the issue a bit.... So I asked if anyone knew how many stripes were on the flag. (This, after I clued in those present to the tidbit that is the correlation between the states in the Union and stars on the American flag - a startling revelation to some. I wish I were joking.) The first response to the stripes question was thirty-three. But that hypothesis wasn't voiced very convincingly. There were no other guesses."

School has always , always been, a day care facility first and an education curriculum second ,

Parents sent their kids off to school so they could work, get drunk, f*ck the mailman, whatever, but they expected, rightfully so, that when the little snot nosed skulls full of mush came home they actually learned something.

The days of teaching and education our youth went down the schitter with Common Core and most important The Democrat Sponsored Teachers Union.

When we pay big bucks for a service as we do for education, we shouldn’t have to double and triple check every aspect of it just to see if we got our monies worth.

Project 100, 000 , a long-forgotten fiasco of unbelievable ineptitude in which Secretary McNamara forced the Armed Services to accept 100,000 Category IV's. Category IV meant that you scored so low on the ASVAB that you were disqualified from serving due to dull wit and lack of even the most basic tools like reading and arithmetic. Army got some, Navy got some, I dont know if the Marines accepted any or not, Air Force refused to take any at all. It very nearly ruined the United States Navy, these guys went directly from basic training to a ship, where all they were able to do was chip paint or pull kp on the mess deck. The poor guys were in over their heads and they knew it, bringing about anger and discord near to mutiny, most of them were quietly discharged as soon as it could be arranged.

Lack of knowledge or experience is greater than school subjects in today's world
Many play baseball, tennis go fishing, and probably hundreds of other things using a computer game, they learn nothing of reality.

My HS physics teacher taught us Ohm's Law as P = I E, easier to remember "PIE" than the E = I R. he said. P = I E is also known as Joule's Law

From "All About Circuits" website -

There are two basic Ohm’s Law equations: one relating voltage, current, and resistance; and the other relating voltage, current, and power (the latter equation is sometimes known as Joule’s Law rather than Ohm’s Law):

E = I R

P = I E

I have long said there should be a required class in every HS curriculum called "Life 101" where a bunch of stuff that has been mentioned would be taught, or at least mentioned (I told this to each of our kids when they were in HS, because Mom & Dad don't know anything, RIGHT?).

Maybe in some households. We spent hours per day drilling our grade school kids with flash cards, math problems, and reading. After school, vacation from school, and summer.

If a kid can read and do math, the rest is a piece of cake. If they can not, they will fail in every discipline.

An astute parent recognizes the teacher has her/his hands full just getting the basics pounded into the heads of the misfortunate.

An astute parent will recognize that his own children are worthy of more than the typical public education teacher can afford to offer.

An astute parent will pick up the slack with personal time, tutoring, or transfer to better schools.

A couple weeks ago I pulled 4 teenagers out of a snowdrift. I handed the driver one end of the chain to find a place under the car to hook it. He put it through a tow hook but didn't have a clue how to hook a grab hook back to the chain. It was kind of comical watching him try to figure it out. Of course if he wasn't a dummy, he wouldn't have been in the snowdrift to start with. He was going too fast on a snowy mountain road and missed a corner. They were all very lucky that he didn't go off the other side of the road and kill them all.

Not for our family and not where we grew up. I am sorry to know you experienced that.

JMO I do think it's a shame that we no longer place
any emphasis on grammar and using words in the
proper context and basic spelling.
These days, you get called a "grammar nazi " and
severely flamed, while elsewhere in the world
young kids learn several languages and grow up
and immigrate here and take up the top executive
positions in our companies, and we can't figure out why.
That, and some small kid named Ranjeetpaldum
Hanpanhagaamagaa III wins all the nation's top
spelling bees, and gets full scholarship offers from
a dozen top universities

Ranger speaks the truth.

They also come here and take up a good number of the seats in engineering and hard sciences classes as undergrads, and their proportion is even larger in grad schools.

LOL

hook it to the tie-rod end

And some people will call you mean.

Great response Idaho. In my home we view our children’s time in school as a foundation. A foundation that needs to be built upon and expanded by the parents. I understand that in today’s society many parents both work usually so they can afford new cars and fancy toys. They choose to place “things” above their children’s education and money before morality. It’s easier for them to ignore their ultimate responsibility and put the entire onus of molding intelligent, caring, responsible young people onto the teachers and the school.

In my experience the parents of students in private schools were the worst offenders. They figured that since they were paying big bucks $$ for their children’s education that they shouldn’t have to lift a finger to further that education. I had friends that I’d gone to elementary and middle school with whose parents, come high school, put them in a private school. Those friends of mine were good kids until they got to high school. Their parents slacked off and put the the responsibility of child raising on the school. I remember thinking that private schools took good kids and turned them into monsters. That’s an ultra simplified view but it’s not far from the truth.ime

I was talking to the nurse that took care of me during my night at the hospital post back surgery back in November and she started asking me about our children. I told her about our children and that both were 4.0 students. Our son was a fantastic athlete a QB and captain of the football team and a very sweet and well liked kid. Our daughter is a talented athlete in her own right. She’s a great softball and volleyball player and she too is well liked and respected by the teachers and students at her school. Her goal, which she’s on track for, is to be Valedictorian. The nurse (Asian) was stunned that a redneck cracker like me was able to produce 2 intelligent children that were straight A students. Those types of kids are usually Asian or East Indian, not white. She asked how we did that and I explained that my wife and I are involved in their education and their lives. We made sacrifices that allowed us to be present AND involved. The sacrifices that we made enabled us to volunteer at the schools, coach their sports, be home when they got home and make dinner (not fast food) so that we could sit around the supper table and discuss their day. After supper they did their homework and we were available to help them if they needed it.

There is much effort involved in raising good kids but it’s the most important job that we’ve ever had and we took/take it very seriously. Thankfully we made those sacrifices because we are blessed with amazing, conservative, God fearing young adults. If we’d have trusted the school, whether public or private, to fully educate our children I don’t think the results would’ve been the same.

Aces - most excellent post!

Not saying schools are not a “foundation” or at least they used to be, today’s schools are not even close to a foundation.

When I went to school we had to do our part as students in order to progress and to move on.

If we didn’t learn and get a passing grade, we did not move on. The teachers had a job to do and they did it, if the student (with a little the help of the parents) failed to do their part, they were held back. In my day it was called “flunked”. And if one were to get “flunk” the parents would take action to correct the students behavior not blame the school or the teacher.

Since the takeover by the Unions , students no longer can be flunked and no longer need to learn to progress. It is much easier for a teacher to just pass the student on then to take steps to teach.

As a parent I spent hours with my two sons after work doing what needed to be done for them to learn, they learned more in one hour at home than they did in 7 at school, that is just sad. It got to the point we questioned why do we send them to school in the first place .

When I was a kid in school in the 60’s there was no need for parents to pick up the slack , all that was required was make sure the homework got done and done right. There was no sitting at the desk for hours a night teaching what should have been taught that “day”. And there sure as hell wasn’t any student passed up to the next grade that didn’t Earn it.

That's great that this was taught in your high school. However, from the responses I'm seeing is unless a kid took physics, Ohm's Law isn't something a kid would learn in High School. When I was in High School less than 25 percent of the kids took physics. It looks like there are about 39 percent that take it now. Still a minority. Kudos to those that did.

Everyone that took electronics at my high school knew Ohm's law, but in the 70s shop classes were plentiful.

eye dont no bout no Ranger 99 dood


butt yu izz meen.......

alla time meen.

I'm finding handwriting nearly illegible and the only thing they need to write on their multiple choice Hunter Ed exams is their name. Then, when they get their cards there is a signature line. Ask them to sign their cards and one gets a blank stare. Few if any can do cursive now.

mmhmm

Some of us are cursed with illegible handwriting, no matter the effort we put into it.

Through High School and College I was forced to print any assignment I wanted the instructor to decipher. Then I got a typewriter.

My Mom had beautiful handwriting. Dad could not even decipher his own chicken scratches ten minutes after the ink dried. My handwriting is almost as bad.

I suspect it might be tied to hand/eye coordination in which I am also severely lacking. That is genetics.

My checkbook is on Excel. It's self balancing except when I make a wrong entry. Then it can be a bitch to find sometimes.

self checkout at walmart

it’s worth repeating

Boomers bragging about their algebra skills but can’t weigh an avocado at the checkout terminal.

LOL

Good on you, Aces. And, Congrats to your kids for being able to see the light in front of them.

I don't remember what our girls knew when they left HS but, apparently it was enough. My wife did home school three of them in the 70s when just about no one else was doing that - which gave them some advantage when they went into the public schools. I refuse to brag about them, ever, because they are normal people who have worked hard and are solely responsible for what they have achieved - as straight "A" students in HS and college, all have college degrees and two have graduate degrees, they all have excellent jobs and the three who married have been very successful at that and in raising their kids. They are self-sufficient,responsible ladies of high moral character. This is not praiseworthy to me - it should be the norm - and all we did as parents was to try to model what we believed and emphasize such expectations. It was not difficult, it was not exceptional, it was loving and caring. That should do it.

How does one become POTUS without knowing how many states he's POTUS of?

Suckermore, Leroy, Gayghost, Calledumb, PloughboyTim. Jumboin Tenn, Northmam, Ejit, Sac, Piddler, Suckawhore, UPKiker,...etc.

...the difference between a plural and a possessive.

You guy’s know what I mean?

Plural's have possession's?

Before I retired from full time butchering, I worked with some kids that printed their name as a signature because they didn't know cursive....and by kids, I mean early 20's.
Pathetic.

That Alaska is not an island?

Had an admin assistant once. She overheard me talking about wanting to drive up to Alaska one day. She said "you can't drive to Alaska!". When I asked what she meant, she said "it's an island!!!"

No, unfortunately I am not chitting you. She firmly believed after all those years of staring at one of these in school....



...that Alaska was an island.

I wish I was kidding. I'm not.

I absolutely love these threads.

How does one graduate from HS without knowing that it is improper to start a sentence with "I seen". This is rampant on forums.

How does one graduate from HS without knowing that he has been saying should've/would've/could've and not "should of", "would of" and "could of". The only way to get to that point one must have either: a) accidentally skipped class every single day that contractions were studied and graded; or, b) simply decided I want to type something completely different than we were taught.

Or graduate high school rather than graduate from high school.

Dropping the "from" has certainly become common, and is seen even in some fairly formal writing, but it is still not considered correct.

I admit to being old school, but when I hear graduate high school I immediately think "Billy Bob is the first in our family to graduate high school".

This is a very good point. It shows how we, as a society, have made a decision to "give up". I think the same can be said of most other examples provided in this thread. There is simply no more shame in the U.S. and that, pardon the pun, is a shame.

Paul, thank you, thank you, thank you!

Er - - - actually, the contraction should've would be from "should have", etc. not "should of". Maybe this is what you meant.

I am willing to stand corrected; but, please show me where I am in error. My point is, we have lots of people who type "should of" in places where "should've" is the correct thing to type. Hence, apparently, people think that the words "should" and "of" together are a substitute for "should've" and, consequently, "should have". It is understandable that a foreigner, with no training/teaching in English, who's only reference for our language is what they heard, would think people were actually saying "should of"; but, someone who has presumably graduated from high school in the U.S. does not have that excuse. So, what I meant, and what I thought I conveyed was people who have presumably graduated from high school repeatedly type "should of" where "should've" is the correct thing to have typed.

It seems to me the "ve" at the end implied the contraction of the word have.

I think that your premise is quite good - on the mark.

Not knowing the difference and proper use of "their" and "there". Also the difference of "to" & "too". I also see people using "were" instead of "we're" alot.

Sometimes people just need a little "trick" to remember.

Their is an "ownership" word. Take off the "T' and it still is.

There is a "place" word. Take off the "T" and it still is, and also is the opposite of the full word.

Bruce

Have a couple college professor friends, and today's students feel text lingo is perfectly acceptable in their formal compositions.

A public bulletin board/outdoors forum is hardly "formal writing".

So where do we find the rules of what is acceptable usage for informal writing?

I fail to see how "graduated High School" would raise an eyebrow in a place where fugg, schitt, and niqqer are commonly used.

Eternally glad I didn't go the college teacher route.

When at University, way back in the olden days, I'd go to the library and get trash paper from the copy center. One side was blank, I could use it for scratch paper for calculus and chemistry figuring.

Once, I got some paper that was apparently for a remedial English class, for those folks that needed a class to catch up to college level English I guess. Upon reading the paper, I was stunned. The nuns wouldn't have passed me out of 7th grade with writing like that, yet apparently someone had managed to get into a University and needed to catch up.

On one of my jobs I had the pleasure of doing the school tours, when the big yellow bus showed up with a load of kids to visit the facility. Younger kids were just there for "fun". The older kids, junior high through high school were sometimes there to see a possible future for themselves in the field.

When the teacher would ask "Geno, what type of classes should someone interested in your field take to prepare for a job here?", I'd give them the bad news. "Well, math for calculating, biology for knowing the critters you're working with, and English for writing reports to supervisors or publishing papers about your work". You could just see the frowns and slumped shoulders start on the kids that had seemed interested in such a cool, decent paying job.

Oh well, like many things in today's world, I figure I'm on the way out sooner than later, and therefor these problems will be left for others to solve.

Good you are grateful Geno for, conversely, I am eternally grateful that I did go the college teacher route.

I thought about it while in the Junior College. I had a cool Anthro/Archaeology teacher. Work the school year, travel to AZ and NM for some digs and hit the Rez pawn shops for cool stuff. He had some wonderful rugs and pawn jewelry. Pots too. And I figured unlike Junior or HS age kids that were required to be there, I'd have students that mostly wanted to be there. And should I get one that didn't like my class, I could tell them "Hey, you realize YOU are paying for this. YOU don't have to stay".

10 years or so later, when I went to the real University as a returning student I realized I wasn't cut out for dealing with people on a regular basis. I'd rather deal with critters, they seem easier to get along with.

Glad you made it out alive!

Thanks, Geno. Often it takes a while and some serious reflection, and maybe most of a lifetime, until we are enabled to see what may have been the best choices. I do understand about the happiness and peace that can come in dealing mostly with critters. I know some fine folks who found their best niche there.

The very best parts of the education field, for me, were the planning, energies and hours devoted to working with students. Huge rewards for me and, based on some accumulated evidence, maybe for a lot of them as well. One major benefit was that I could further develop my skills and talents and get to apply the expertise and abilities in a wide variety of performance situations - big enjoyment - in the very field to which I was devoted for teaching. Maybe rare these days - I was fortunate. After many years of that I looked at the future, decided to complete a Ph.D to prepare for leadership work and went on to that. Different investments, different rewards, different risks. The effort to help and lead faculty types is a different universe than the sphere of eager and willing students.

Stay happy.

Valsdad:

The best teachers and programs are conducted by those that can convey the future value of their efforts. I.e. one will use this in the future. One of my most valuable high school courses was typing, and I was able to relay that to my instructor at a 20th reunion as she had tears forming.

As a high schooler, I did only enough to progress. Fortunately, it was a tough school in Va, and I absorbed a lot more than grades implied. Four years in the Navy during the Nam era gave me direction. College was easy, fun, and by cutting back to bare essentials with summer and school jobs, not a debt accumulator.

Career options were teach or research, and I went for the latter. I.e. publish or perish. Did enjoy doing guest lectures though for everything from 4th graders to graduate levels. After a career's exposure to kids, if teaching was mandated, it would be grade school or college with nothing in between. With rare exceptions, middle and high schoolers are just too cool to display interest. Quite rewarding with the little guys though to see the lights come on with a realization of "wow, that's how that works." If college, I think the career courses would be most rewarding, as one would be dealing solely with kids that wanted to be there. Core courses, needed to sort of round one out would be the pits. I can not imagine sitting down to grade 200 English compositions.

As to the other thread where the kid had a 0.13 GPA and ranked in the upper 50%, I wonder what the 3 courses were that he passed? Maybe PE.

One of the worst for me was Pre-Calculus Algebra. The audience was largely populated by students thinking "I know this stuff already" and "The SAT/ACT/Departmental Placement exam is bogus" and they were chafing at not being in calculus. This resulted in many rude awakenings when the first test exposed incompetence born of lax study and preparation.

1minute,

0.13GPA? Yikes, I didn't see that thread I guess. How does one even get to that point?

I agree about conveying the value for the future. I had the pleasure to "teach" or "mentor" some fellow workers, volunteers and the like in some of the jobs I had. And it really was pleasurable when the interest was there. Folks have told me when I retired I should hold small private classes in some "outdoorsy" type stuff for kids, as I have a varied knowledge of that world.

My issue, that took a long time to realize, is that I'm not a people person and I have to work hard to have some of those people skills that come easily to others. When I went to grade and high school they didn't have this " he's on the spectrum" diagnosis............I was just an unruly smart kid that did his own thing.

I've mentioned it before on some threads. In my thirties I took some "aptitude" tests that determined the best careers for me were things like Back Country Forest Ranger, Cowboy, Game Warden, Fisherman and such. In other words, jobs where I could work by myself or only with smaller groups and mostly without a lot of interference from bosses. Give me an assignment and get out of my way.

I kind of liked being the tutor for Beginning Statistics for the Biological Sciences while at University. It was always a joy to see someone "get it", or sometimes maybe they didn't understand ( I didn't when I started) but could do the tests and come out with the correct outcome. And because they had the objective of a career in the natural resources fields, they knew it was a valuable tool to have in their kit. And I was a lab assistant in a couple of courses pertinent to my career choice, which was fun in many ways. (Not to mention beneficial on the resume when getting started in my field)

My wife talks about us eventually needing to move closer to a metro area, for health care reasons and such. I dread the day. I like living on our 7 Acre RANCH!, 15 or so miles from town, surrounded on three sides by BLM land with a nice guy holding the grazing lease back there, my nearest neighbors on the other side of the street are a couple hundred yards away, there are three houses (the last a 300 acre ranch) past our place before the road ends in a school bus turn around. I have few people to deal with on a daily basis, and I can't imagine living in even a suburban neighborhood with people on all side of me.

That's why I'm grateful I didn't attempt the teacher thing when younger. Odds are it wouldn't have worked well for me or my students...........and certainly not for coworkers and administration types.

We got about 2" of really wet snow this morning down here. Did you folks up the road get very much? The moisture is certainly welcome, although a bit messy as it's melting and getting muddy already.

Enjoy your day there.

When my youngest grandson attended his first day of kindergarten he had a run in with his teacher. He started reading a math textbook and the teacher told him he couldn’t because he wouldn’t understand it. He said ....”No I already know multiplication and division and fractions.” Disbelieving him she quizzed him on his multiplication tables, which he aced. She asked him how much 1/3 plus 1/4 equals. He replied that 1/3 is 4/12 and 1/4 is 3/12 so they total 7/12. He then did three digit additions in his head. They promptly put him in a Gifted and Talented Program. He finished High School Algebra as a third grader. His great grandfather (my Dad) finished High School at 14 and entered Harvard Medical as a 19 year old.

Valsdad:

Had a small storm give us maybe 1/2 inch of snow from about 07:30 to 09:00. Sun is out now, and I hear water dripping from the roof. When it comes to water, we'll take all we can get.

Link - Family amazed at failure to graduate

My son was in High School in Kali in the 1980 era. One of his buddies, while a senior , had a 4.0 average for that year at graduation time. I found out what classes he'd had, it was "woodshop, woodshop, TA for woodshop, one semester of American Government, woodshop, TA for woodshop, TA for woodshop.

Thanks

... or alot for a lot

I’m not even reading all these pages. Dumb digk fugks!

I sometimes get confused. Is it bite me or byte me?