Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
The above was from a study five years ago in 2015.
And what is different today pertaining to the spike protein that makes this design successful today?
Oh crap, they didn’t complete the trials did they?
Pesky facts. They always get in the way.
You are participating in a Phase 3 Human Clinical Trial, while you risk your lives, and are NOT even getting paid for it.
Your wives, and children, and grandchildren will hold their faces in the palms of their hands, in their laps, and cry and keep repeating the same word over and over, after you die or become seriously and permanently ill.
WHY? WHY? WHY?
WHY did they lie to us?
“15 days. We need to flatten the curve.”
15 days became 15 months became 15? years? centuries?
It failed five years ago, and it is a failure today, being there are no completed trials to prove the safety.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
The above was from a study five years ago in 2015.
And what is different today pertaining to the spike protein that makes this design successful today?
Oh crap, they didn’t complete the trials did they?
Pesky facts. They always get in the way.
You are participating in a Phase 3 Human Clinical Trial, while you risk your lives, and are NOT even getting paid for it.
Your wives, and children, and grandchildren will hold their faces in the palms of their hands, in their laps, and cry and keep repeating the same word over and over, after you die or become seriously and permanently ill.
WHY? WHY? WHY?
WHY did they lie to us?
“15 days. We need to flatten the curve.”
15 days became 15 months became 15? years? centuries?
It failed five years ago, and it is a failure today, being there are no completed trials to prove the safety.
You might want to understand the definition of a phase 3 Clinical Trial. You will then understand how stupid your argument is.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days. Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others.
Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days. Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others.
Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must.
Cheers.
Its rude to not speak English around English speakers...
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days. Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others.
Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must.
Five groups are currently working to produce a vaccine for Covid 19. Four types have been used in the past for various applications. The only one that is untested is the mRNA vaccine. *If* I choose to get a COVID vaccine sometime in the future, it will be of a type which has been used successfully on multiple occasions,..such as the live attenuated virus vaccine or the inactivated virus vaccine.
But the infection rates are dropping so fast at this point, that it seems quite possible that herd immunity will be reached before I need to get any vaccine.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
I'm sorry, could you show me this positive research you speak of, where they have completed the legally required trial protocols to ensure safety, and prove a shot has successfully been invented for a virus in the Corona Virus family, without causing death from ADE. Or are you just another "mouth" in the medical field here to gaslight me with your lies and obfuscation, because I'm exposing the mass murder that has been happening by the whole industry?
Your failure to produce the above, which you can not, completely invalidates your position, and proves you're just a cyber stalker.
Originally Posted by MTDan
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
I just proved the article was correct, with my comment above, and torpedoed your gaslighting of me with your lies.
You have nothing, and you fail to produce any evidence whatsoever, which is standard typical debating tactics for commies.
You might want to understand the definition of a phase 3 Clinical Trial. You will then understand how stupid your argument is.
You mean like understanding the Phase 3 trial description at this cancer.org link, which proves you are nothing but a cyber stalking liar?
Phase III clinical trials: Is it better than what’s already available?
Treatments that have been shown to work in phase II clinical trials must succeed in one more phase before they’re approved for general use. Phase III clinical trials compare the safety and effectiveness of the new treatment against the current standard treatment.
Because doctors do not yet know which treatment is better, study participants are often picked at random (called randomized) to get either the standard treatment or the new treatment. When possible, neither the doctor nor the patient knows which of the treatments the patient is getting. This type of study is called a double-blind study. Randomization and blinding are discussed in more detail later.
Key points of phase III clinical trials:
- Most phase III clinical trials include a large number of patients, at least several hundred. - These studies are often done in many places across the country (or even around the world) at the same time. - Phase III clinical trials are more likely to be offered in local community hospitals and doctor's offices. - These studies tend to last longer than phase I and II studies. - Placebos may be used in some phase III studies, but they’re never used alone if there’s a treatment available that works. Sometimes, a patient who is randomly assigned to the placebo for part of the study will at some point be offered the standard treatment as well.
As with other trials, patients in phase III clinical trials are watched closely for side effects, and treatment is stopped if they’re too hard to manage.
You might want to understand the definition of a phase 3 Clinical Trial. You will then understand how stupid your argument is.
You mean like understanding the Phase 3 trial description at this cancer.org link, which proves you are nothing but a cyber stalking liar?
Phase III clinical trials: Is it better than what’s already available?
Treatments that have been shown to work in phase II clinical trials must succeed in one more phase before they’re approved for general use. Phase III clinical trials compare the safety and effectiveness of the new treatment against the current standard treatment.
Because doctors do not yet know which treatment is better, study participants are often picked at random (called randomized) to get either the standard treatment or the new treatment. When possible, neither the doctor nor the patient knows which of the treatments the patient is getting. This type of study is called a double-blind study. Randomization and blinding are discussed in more detail later.
Key points of phase III clinical trials:
- Most phase III clinical trials include a large number of patients, at least several hundred. - These studies are often done in many places across the country (or even around the world) at the same time. - Phase III clinical trials are more likely to be offered in local community hospitals and doctor's offices. - These studies tend to last longer than phase I and II studies. - Placebos may be used in some phase III studies, but they’re never used alone if there’s a treatment available that works. Sometimes, a patient who is randomly assigned to the placebo for part of the study will at some point be offered the standard treatment as well.
As with other trials, patients in phase III clinical trials are watched closely for side effects, and treatment is stopped if they’re too hard to manage.
We're not at Submision for FDA approval yet, being a phase 2 or 3 has to be successful for that to happen.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test. "Treatments that have been shown to work in phase II clinical trials must succeed in one more phase before they’re approved for general use. Phase III clinical trials compare the safety and effectiveness of the new treatment against the current standard treatment."
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
I heard a radio news report saying they are looking for a few thousand pregnant women to test the Corona Virus 19 "vaccines" on. Sounds like a likely disaster in the making. If this whole vaccine experiment goes badly wrong will everyone involved in foisting this on the trusting (not me) public be exempt from liability?
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days.
Yet you neither can produce evidence to show any successful shot has been granted FDA approval for a virus in the Corona family of viruses, a common problem on social media these days, as doctors are being exposed for their refusal to treat with proven off-patent / low cost medications to save lives. Just like the drug cartel, they have to protect their money tree medical industry that is bankrupting Americans, and breaking numerous federal laws, under the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others. Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must. Cheers.
Standard response when a person fails to quote a post and note the specific part that is incorrect.
Nice gaslighting, with your fancy adjectives sprinkled in.
Too bad your brain won’t allow you to prove me wrong with scientific proof.
Prove me wrong about ADE killing animals during past trials for a corona family virus shot. None has made it to human trials for a reason.
Prove me wrong about mRNA technology never having produced a successful FDA approved drug for a corona family virus.
Prove me wrong that VIROLOGISTS, Biologists w/ PhD’s, and Scientists are coming forward from around the world, and asking for a halt in the administering of these lethal shots because of the dangers they present to the world population. Come on doc, this one should be a slam dunk for you to prove me wrong. Why didn’t you quote where I stated it, and proved me wrong, being you have admitted to reading my posts. CRICKETS.
Prove to me you aren’t a mouthy doctor pizzed off for me exposing the Mass Murder of Americans you clown.
Here's a study out of Israel published in the Lancet. They found 91 percent effectiveness in real-world use. This study wasn't part of the trials, and was not conducted by the manufacturer.
I'm curious though, where are you getting this stuff? Someone is digging deep to find studies for you to misrepresent.
You're not changing any minds (though in fairness, I'm probably not either). You're just echoing back and forth among the same half-dozen tinfoil-hat commandos.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
1- it is a vaccine. That argument is ridiculous. No vaccine is 100 percent effective, though this one is close. When it doesn't prevent infection, it reduces severity. They won't claim that it stops community spread because they don't have the data YET (though initial results look promising). It doesn't mean that "everyone will get the virus anyway". 3- the vaccines on the market have completed phase 3 trials BEFORE they were granted an emergency use authorization, and all did well. Read the trial results. They're all public.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
All of the vaccines are FDA approved under the EUA procedure.
Date of First EUA Issuance Most Recent Letter of Authorization (PDF) Authorized Use 1 Fact Sheets and Manufacturer Instructions/ Package Insert (PDF) 12/11/2020 Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (455KB) (Reissued February 25, 2021)
Letter Granting EUA Amendment (January 6, 2021) (164KB)
Letter Granting EUA Amendment (January 22, 2021) (190KB)
For the prevention of 2019 coronavirus disease (COVID-19) for individuals 16 years of age and older Healthcare Providers (1.17MB)
Recipients and Caregivers (172KB)
View the Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers in multiple additional languages Decision Memorandum (709KB)
Frequently Asked Questions on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
More information about the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
12/18/2020 Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (392KB) (Reissued February 25, 2021) For the prevention of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for individuals 18 years of age and older Healthcare Providers (418KB)
View the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine in multiple additional languages Recipients and Caregivers (314KB)
View the Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers in multiple additional languages Decision Memorandum (769KB)
Frequently Asked Questions on the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
More information about the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
02/27/2021 Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (183KB) For the prevention of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for individuals 18 years of age and older Healthcare Providers (323KB)
Recipients and Caregivers (135KB)
Frequently Asked Questions on the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine
Decision Memorandum (974KB)
More information about the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine
Here's a study out of Israel published in the Lancet. They found 91 percent effectiveness in real-world use. This study wasn't part of the trials, and was not conducted by the manufacturer.
I'm curious though, where are you getting this stuff? Someone is digging deep to find studies for you to misrepresent.
You're not changing any minds (though in fairness, I'm probably not either). You're just echoing back and forth among the same half-dozen tinfoil-hat commandos.
Quote
"We defined all HCWs with positive SARS-CoV-2 PCR at Sheba Medical Centre or in the community as cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection.
You FAIL. The PCR test was never designed to be used for diagnostics, and the inventor has stated as such. That invalidates your whole "trial", if you can call it that.
That is not a completed trial to determine total effectiveness, being it only started in Dec 2020. I believe it takes "years" to determine whether a shot has success, last I read.
Thanks for the laughs.
And yes, I believe I have changed minds, no matter how much gaslighting you clowns post about me.
LOL at where I'm getting my 100% valid scientific evidence.
Maybe I'm just slightly better connected than you, and have access to better research. Did that thought ever electrify any of your brain cells.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
Enjoy the read.
Abstract mRNA cancer vaccines are a relatively new class of vaccines, which combine the potential of mRNA to encode for almost any protein with an excellent safety profile and a flexible production process. The most straightforward use of mRNA vaccines in oncologic settings is the immunization of patients with mRNA vaccines encoding tumor-associated antigens (TAAs). This is exemplified by the RNActive® technology, which induces balanced humoral and cellular immune responses in animal models and is currently evaluated in several clinical trials for oncologic indications. A second application of mRNA vaccines is the production of personalized vaccines. This is possible because mRNA vaccines are produced by a generic process, which can be used to quickly produce mRNA vaccines targeting patient-specific neoantigens that are identified by analyzing the tumor exome. Apart from being used directly to vaccinate patients, mRNAs can also be used in cellular therapies to transfect patient-derived cells in vitro and infuse the manipulated cells back into the patient. One such application is the transfection of patient-derived dendritic cells (DCs) with mRNAs encoding TAAs, which leads to the presentation of TAA-derived peptides on the DCs and an activation of antigen-specific T cells in vivo. A second application is the transfection of patient-derived T cells with mRNAs encoding chimeric antigen receptors, which allows the T cells to directly recognize a specific antigen expressed on the tumor. In this chapter, we will review preclinical and clinical data for the different approaches.
1- it is a vaccine. That argument is ridiculous. No vaccine is 100 percent effective, though this one is close. When it doesn't prevent infection, it reduces severity. They won't claim that it stops community spread because they don't have the data YET (though initial results look promising). It doesn't mean that "everyone will get the virus anyway".
You're a clown and a waste of my time. The manuf even admitted it doesn't keep you from acquiring the infection, which is in direct contradiction to the definition of what immunity is. You are a clown.
Originally Posted by MTDan
3- the vaccines on the market have completed phase 3 trials BEFORE they were granted an emergency use authorization, and all did well. Read the trial results. They're all public.
This is more lies. They never completed a full trial protocol starting with animals, and the EUA's are all illegal, which makes the shots illegal.
You know absolutely zilch concerning the legality of the EUA's or you wouldn't be making that statement. I'm done with you. You waste people's time with lies.
Also, the Infectious Disease Society of America endorses RT-PCR as the diagnostic standard, but I'm sure those infectious disease docs don't have access to the kind of high quality "research" that you do....
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
All of the vaccines are FDA approved under the EUA procedure.
Everything you posted is invalid and illegal, being the EUA's are all illegal, which makes the shots illegal.
The fact you are clueless with the law concerning this matter here proves you are an amateur.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
Enjoy the read.
Abstract mRNA cancer vaccines are a relatively new class of vaccines, which combine the potential of mRNA to encode for almost any protein with an excellent safety profile and a flexible production process. The most straightforward use of mRNA vaccines in oncologic settings is the immunization of patients with mRNA vaccines encoding tumor-associated antigens (TAAs). This is exemplified by the RNActive® technology, which induces balanced humoral and cellular immune responses in animal models and is currently evaluated in several clinical trials for oncologic indications. A second application of mRNA vaccines is the production of personalized vaccines. This is possible because mRNA vaccines are produced by a generic process, which can be used to quickly produce mRNA vaccines targeting patient-specific neoantigens that are identified by analyzing the tumor exome. Apart from being used directly to vaccinate patients, mRNAs can also be used in cellular therapies to transfect patient-derived cells in vitro and infuse the manipulated cells back into the patient. One such application is the transfection of patient-derived dendritic cells (DCs) with mRNAs encoding TAAs, which leads to the presentation of TAA-derived peptides on the DCs and an activation of antigen-specific T cells in vivo. A second application is the transfection of patient-derived T cells with mRNAs encoding chimeric antigen receptors, which allows the T cells to directly recognize a specific antigen expressed on the tumor. In this chapter, we will review preclinical and clinical data for the different approaches.
ROFLMAO.. You post cancer documentation when the topic is on a Corona virus.
That's called a strawman argument in case you are completely void of brain cells.
You lose.
mRNA has failed in corona virus shot development for 20 years.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
Enjoy the read.
Abstract mRNA cancer vaccines are a relatively new class of vaccines, which combine the potential of mRNA to encode for almost any protein with an excellent safety profile and a flexible production process. The most straightforward use of mRNA vaccines in oncologic settings is the immunization of patients with mRNA vaccines encoding tumor-associated antigens (TAAs). This is exemplified by the RNActive® technology, which induces balanced humoral and cellular immune responses in animal models and is currently evaluated in several clinical trials for oncologic indications. A second application of mRNA vaccines is the production of personalized vaccines. This is possible because mRNA vaccines are produced by a generic process, which can be used to quickly produce mRNA vaccines targeting patient-specific neoantigens that are identified by analyzing the tumor exome. Apart from being used directly to vaccinate patients, mRNAs can also be used in cellular therapies to transfect patient-derived cells in vitro and infuse the manipulated cells back into the patient. One such application is the transfection of patient-derived dendritic cells (DCs) with mRNAs encoding TAAs, which leads to the presentation of TAA-derived peptides on the DCs and an activation of antigen-specific T cells in vivo. A second application is the transfection of patient-derived T cells with mRNAs encoding chimeric antigen receptors, which allows the T cells to directly recognize a specific antigen expressed on the tumor. In this chapter, we will review preclinical and clinical data for the different approaches.
ROFLMAO.. You post cancer documentation when the topic is on a Corona virus.
That's called a strawman argument in case you are completely void of brain cells.
You lose.
mRNA has failed in corona virus shot development for 20 years.
Corona virus is the topic, not cancer, clown.
Your words "3 - They didn't develop squat." Maybe you should go back and read my quote again.
Your "research" is not better than one of the premier, peer-reviewed, medical journals in the world.
You do realize scientists and doctors have been caught lying multiple times over the years in order to keep their grant monies flowing in research don't you. There was a recent article out stating how the integrity in research is rushed out so fast today, because of that very fact, that when others have attempted to duplicate the studies in the lab, they have failed. oops.
I proved your posts invalid being it used an instrument not designed for such studies. Don't be upset of the fact you're having your azz handed to you, and need to gaslight me, because you are incapable of staying on topic, or providing solid evidence.
Originally Posted by MTDan
Your "research" is nothing but copy/paste word-vomit, that seems to be equal parts conspiracy blogs and misrepresented (and likely unread...) studies.
More gaslighting with zero evidence. You are a clown.
Google my writing and show your brain dead followers here I'm copying and pasting, limp brain.
Maybe if I read it to you, you might understand. Phase 3 is an efficacy test.
Maybe you should learn to use your brain. Phase 3 is the last trial before FDA approval, and this shot does not have FDA approval. You keep spinning the truth here, OK you're lying.
Originally Posted by MM879
Just watch the TV for 15 minutes. You will see and advertisement for a cancer immunization based on similar processes, different targets, different results. There are multiple vaccines FDA approved from similar development processes. The completed process is what allowed pharma to develop a custom vaccine so fast. This is not new to them.
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.
Enjoy the read.
Abstract mRNA cancer vaccines are a relatively new class of vaccines, which combine the potential of mRNA to encode for almost any protein with an excellent safety profile and a flexible production process. The most straightforward use of mRNA vaccines in oncologic settings is the immunization of patients with mRNA vaccines encoding tumor-associated antigens (TAAs). This is exemplified by the RNActive® technology, which induces balanced humoral and cellular immune responses in animal models and is currently evaluated in several clinical trials for oncologic indications. A second application of mRNA vaccines is the production of personalized vaccines. This is possible because mRNA vaccines are produced by a generic process, which can be used to quickly produce mRNA vaccines targeting patient-specific neoantigens that are identified by analyzing the tumor exome. Apart from being used directly to vaccinate patients, mRNAs can also be used in cellular therapies to transfect patient-derived cells in vitro and infuse the manipulated cells back into the patient. One such application is the transfection of patient-derived dendritic cells (DCs) with mRNAs encoding TAAs, which leads to the presentation of TAA-derived peptides on the DCs and an activation of antigen-specific T cells in vivo. A second application is the transfection of patient-derived T cells with mRNAs encoding chimeric antigen receptors, which allows the T cells to directly recognize a specific antigen expressed on the tumor. In this chapter, we will review preclinical and clinical data for the different approaches.
ROFLMAO.. You post cancer documentation when the topic is on a Corona virus.
That's called a strawman argument in case you are completely void of brain cells.
You lose.
mRNA has failed in corona virus shot development for 20 years.
Corona virus is the topic, not cancer, clown.
Your words "3 - They didn't develop squat." Maybe you should go back and read my quote again.
The subject is Corona virus, and everything I state is concerning Corona. Go run your obfuscating mouthy gaslighting elsewhere. You're a clown who can not refute anything I have posted.
You spin, lie and use strawman arguments, just like all closet commies when debating.
So far this thread I've given you 1. A real world clinical trial showing vaccine effectiveness 2. A meta-analysis validating the diagnostic instrument used in that trial 3. The consensus position from the authority on infectious diseases.
You've given "scientists have lied before!!!" as a blanket rejection of any main stream research. The odds of SO MANY researchers fraudulently creating such similar results is ASTRONOMICALLY small. That's why we have peer review and additional studies that recreate and verify results.
Also, the Infectious Disease Society of America endorses RT-PCR as the diagnostic standard, but I'm sure those infectious disease docs don't have access to the kind of high quality "research" that you do....
Once again clown, the inventor of the PCR test himself has stated the design of the PCR test was never to be used as a diagnostics tool.
What part of cold hard evidence do you not appreciate, comprehend or are able to absorb into your two brain cells?
The cycle CT in the PCR test can be changed to whatever you want it to produce, and that is how they were able to create the false positives during last year to keep the numbers high.
Your inability to produce solid evidence is really getting tiresome.
So far this thread I've given you 1. A real world clinical trial showing vaccine effectiveness 2. A meta-analysis validating the diagnostic instrument used in that trial 3. The consensus position from the authority on infectious diseases.
You've given "scientists have lied before!!!" as a blanket rejection of any main stream research. The odds of SO MANY researchers fraudulently creating such similar results is ASTRONOMICALLY small. That's why we have peer review and additional studies that recreate and verify results.
You fail to acknowledge the instrument is not to be used for research, from the inventor himself, based on its design, and that factoid invalidates every point above you listed.
You are a clown show, and it is free for everyone watching.
The PCR argument is Facebook garbage. An out of context quote from 1996, where the inventor clarified that it detects quantitatively how much of a viral (HIV in this case) gene is present, not a qualitative "yes" or "no." It's easy to make validated protocols to use it effectively for diagnosis.
The PCR argument is Facebook garbage. An out of context quote from 1996, where the inventor clarified that it detects quantitatively how much of a viral (HIV in this case) gene is present, not a qualitative "yes" or "no." It's easy to make validated protocols to use it effectively for diagnosis.
1 – Reuters is a commie owned run news, so we all know commie news spins their articles towards the angle they want sheep like you to believe.
2 – The article points out the statement referenced was from a FB posting, which you then attempt to gaslight me again, like all commies do, and lie that I obtain my research from FB, which again, makes you lose the debate for using gaslighting. It is more than obvious I post solid scientific evidence, being nobody can successfully refute it, except for clowns like you attempting to succeed with your lying and gaslighting.
3 – The reuters author is interpreting another authors writing, which was itself a third person accounting, which makes the reuters author a fourth person accounting.
So, we’re supposed to believe a fourth person accounting from a commie run news organization attempting a fact check. Is this where I get to start laughing? And yet you want your postings here to be considered credentialed based on that? You are not just a clown, you are a complete idiot.
4 – The written article itself proves the tests are not valid with the below comment:
EXHIBIT: A -
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A spokesperson for Public Health England told Reuters why PCR tests are being used widely in England: “Molecular diagnostic tests, such as real-time PCR, are the gold standard methods for identifying individuals with an active viral infection, such as SARS-CoV-2 (the cause of COVID-19 disease), in their respiratory tract. These tests are rapid and produce results in real-time.
Why is the above quote invalid, thereby proving PCR a non-reliable test? It is the fact Elon Musk had 4 tests performed last year, back-to-back and spaced evenly apart time-wise, and resulted in 2 positive tests and 2 negative tests, which proved they are a joke, just as you are a joke.
Further evidence to prove you are a clown, coming from your linked commie reuters article, I give you:
EXHIBIT: B -
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“It is important to note that detecting viral material by PCR does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious, i.e. able to cause infection in other people. The isolation of infectious virus from positive individuals requires virus culture methods. These methods can only be conducted in laboratories with specialist containment facilities and are time consuming and complex.”
The above clearly identifies the test is unreliable based on the fact they admit a culture is needed to determine a correct result.
Now, it is not too often amateurs, such as yourself, serve up a home run pitch, but I want to thank you for providing that waist-high inside fast ball I just sent over the left field fence.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days. Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others.
Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must.
Cheers.
Thanks Doc!
+1 Thanks Doc, for the laughs, and failing to prove my points false I asked you to.
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days.
Yet you neither can produce evidence to show any successful shot has been granted FDA approval for a virus in the Corona family of viruses, a common problem on social media these days, as doctors are being exposed for their refusal to treat with proven off-patent / low cost medications to save lives. Just like the drug cartel, they have to protect their money tree medical industry that is bankrupting Americans, and breaking numerous federal laws, under the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others. Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must. Cheers.
Standard response when a person fails to quote a post and note the specific part that is incorrect.
Nice gaslighting, with your fancy adjectives sprinkled in.
Too bad your brain won’t allow you to prove me wrong with scientific proof.
Prove me wrong about ADE killing animals during past trials for a corona family virus shot. None has made it to human trials for a reason.
Prove me wrong about mRNA technology never having produced a successful FDA approved drug for a corona family virus.
Prove me wrong that VIROLOGISTS, Biologists w/ PhD’s, and Scientists are coming forward from around the world, and asking for a halt in the administering of these lethal shots because of the dangers they present to the world population. Come on doc, this one should be a slam dunk for you to prove me wrong. Why didn’t you quote where I stated it, and proved me wrong, being you have admitted to reading my posts. CRICKETS.
Prove to me you aren’t a mouthy doctor pizzed off for me exposing the Mass Murder of Americans you clown.
Using RT-PCR for diagnosis serves two purposes: 1. It makes viral research in population studies practical, as it would be impossible to conduct large scale studies doing a viral culture for every patient. The fact that there's a "better" test does not invalidate PCR. You offer hearsay annecdotes of the test failing in elon musk, but no studies showing widespread issues.
2. Culture is too slow to use for diagnosis. Patients would either recover, of not recover, by the time it was confirmed. They'd be spreading the virus the whole time too. If your only validated diagnostic tool is too slow for clinical use, it isn't much use, is it?
And the old classic "every source who disagrees with me is communist!" No, they're not. There is no arguing with someone who can arbitrarily decide that any evidence is fraudulent.
You have insulted people who take the vaccine as living in fear, but I guarantee that your fear of the great unseen Marxist boogey-man is greater than their fear of the virus.
So keep posting your conspiracy sites, and cherry-picked, out of context sentences, from marginally relevant studies. You've found your echo chamber.
It is amusing that ES quotes all these older studies on different diseases and virus strains and then claims a straw-dog argument. Very foolish.
It's amusing you use false negatives to accuse someone of something they haven't done, and you refuse to post links to the specific post to show the evidence you are accusing them of.
You are the spitting image of a useful idiot.
Show these links where I have posted about different diseases commie.
You're the useful idiot who posted articles discussing cancer, when the topic is corona virus. It's fun watching your mentally deranged mind attempt to function.
It is amusing that ES quotes all these older studies on different diseases and virus strains and then claims a straw-dog argument. Very foolish.
It's amusing you use false negatives to accuse someone of something they haven't done, and you refuse to post links to the specific post to show the evidence you are accusing them of.
You are the spitting image of a useful idiot.
Show these links where I have posted about different diseases commie.
You're the useful idiot who posted articles discussing cancer, when the topic is corona virus. It's fun watching your mentally deranged mind attempt to function.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
what i ain't figured out, but afterall i'm a lowly tax-payiing commoner, is how long is the virus vaccine effective? if, and i say if, one is resistant to re-infection from the actual covid (well, one of them) for only 90 days how long is the vaccine effective? i took my two modernas and am wondering if i might need a third for more effectiveness. as an aside my stiff ankle has loosened up quite a bit after the two modernas. of course the physical therapy might have helped too.
what i ain't figured out, but afterall i'm a lowly tax-payiing commoner, is how long is the virus vaccine effective? if, and i say if, one is resistant to re-infection from the actual covid (well, one of them) for only 90 days how long is the vaccine effective? i took my two modernas and am wondering if i might need a third for more effectiveness. as an aside my stiff ankle has loosened up quite a bit after the two modernas. of course the physical therapy might have helped too.
Here's a pro-tip: active acquired immunity beats passive immunity received by vaccine.
If getting covid doesn't stop you from getting it again, thinking a vaccine will is rather naive.
And in this corner we have ElkSlayer91 who is challenging Happy Camper for the 2021 Campfire KOTY Award. They are neck in neck, who will be the winner? Place your bets!
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
It's your opinion, but I didn't have to call people names to make a point. You lost the debate long ago. 389 million an counting.......
And in this corner we have ElkSlayer91 who is challenging Happy Camper for the 2021 Campfire KOTY Award. They are neck in neck, who will be the winner? Place your bets!
Titan against Titan in the battle of site retards...
And in this corner we have ElkSlayer91 who is challenging Happy Camper for the 2021 Campfire KOTY Award. They are neck in neck, who will be the winner? Place your bets!
Titan against Titan in the battle of site retards...
Using RT-PCR for diagnosis serves two purposes: 1. It makes viral research in population studies practical, as it would be impossible to conduct large scale studies doing a viral culture for every patient. The fact that there's a "better" test does not invalidate PCR. You offer hearsay annecdotes of the test failing in elon musk, but no studies showing widespread issues.
2. Culture is too slow to use for diagnosis. Patients would either recover, of not recover, by the time it was confirmed. They'd be spreading the virus the whole time too. If your only validated diagnostic tool is too slow for clinical use, it isn't much use, is it?
You got your azz handed to you from attempting to use a communist media source as evidence to support your position. To make it even worse, the article was written from a fourth person position. How many persons is that removed from what is admissible as evidence in court? Try THREE, which makes you a damned fool.
Right there, you lose the whole debate, azz clown. I buried you with facts, and you still come back with obfuscation and lies in your weak attempt to prove you are right. [rolling laughter]
Moreover, you demonstrate above you have no clue to what you are talking about concerning the time frame on receiving test results between culture and PCR, when you talk about needing results back quick, “Culture is too slow to use for diagnosis. Patients would either recover, of not recover, by the time it was confirmed. They'd be spreading the virus the whole time too. If your only validated diagnostic tool is too slow for clinical use, it isn't much use, is it?” I’ll address this at the end of my reply.
Originally Posted by MTDan
And the old classic "every source who disagrees with me is communist!" No, they're not. There is no arguing with someone who can arbitrarily decide that any evidence is fraudulent.
More false negative accusations here, with zero proof. Standard MO for you commies, you make accusations with zero link or quote of original statement, because it’d show you are a liar.
Originally Posted by MTDan
You have insulted people who take the vaccine as living in fear, but I guarantee that your fear of the great unseen Marxist boogey-man is greater than their fear of the virus.
I never insulted anyone nor am I in fear of anything. I pointed out the govt. was instilling fear with their lies, which everyone with a functioning brain clearly realizes. Again, you are a mentally deranged lying commie. It really is that simple.
Originally Posted by MTDan
So keep posting your conspiracy sites, and cherry-picked, out of context sentences, from marginally relevant studies. You've found your echo chamber.
Continuous ramblings of false negatives. Yes sir, you are truly the epitome of a useful idiot.
Back to the PCR tests and Elon Musk. Here is where you get body slammed, little troll.
Like any good attorney would do, I set your azz up, and you swallowed.
You have zero clue of what you speak. Elon Musk didn’t take the PCR tests. He took four “Rapid Tests”, and “Rapid Tests” are what you use to obtain fast test results, NOT PCR tests. You commented above, in your beginning paragraph, (1), addressing testing large quantities of people using a PCR test rather than a culture, when in a large group you would actually use “Rapid Testing” versus PCR to get results quickly. That fact proves it is you who is the trolling Googler, being these facts prove you are woefully uneducated. You then gaslight me again with your accusation of, “You offer hearsay annecdotes of the test failing in elon musk, but no studies showing widespread issues”, when you don’t even mention Rapid Testing anywhere in your reply, which shows you are a trolling tool.
You use hearsay wrong there too, because Elon did take tests, so that is not hearsay, that is what is known as factual evidence. People like you, who attempt to look intelligent, by throwing fancy words around, eventually show them selves to be fools, as you did.
Lastly, there are studies out there proving PCR tests have multiple flaws which in turn create false positives in the test results. Maybe YOU should conduct some DD, so you won’t continually represent yourself for the complete fool you are, over and over again.
The only entities using PCR for research are people needing the ability to falsify the results. Any legitimate scientist/s do not. You not knowing this fact is further proof as to what you are.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
It's your opinion, but I didn't have to call people names to make a point. You lost the debate long ago. 389 million an counting.......
And like the good little communist that you are, you ignore the facts when they are placed at your feet, proving you to be a liar. Nothing new there.
That 4 years of medical school and that grueling residency really paid off for an uneducated loon like you didn't it?
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
The above was from a study five years ago in 2015.
And what is different today pertaining to the spike protein that makes this design successful today?
Oh crap, they didn’t complete the trials did they?
Pesky facts. They always get in the way.
You are participating in a Phase 3 Human Clinical Trial, while you risk your lives, and are NOT even getting paid for it.
Your wives, and children, and grandchildren will hold their faces in the palms of their hands, in their laps, and cry and keep repeating the same word over and over, after you die or become seriously and permanently ill.
WHY? WHY? WHY?
WHY did they lie to us?
“15 days. We need to flatten the curve.”
15 days became 15 months became 15? years? centuries?
It failed five years ago, and it is a failure today, being there are no completed trials to prove the safety.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
It's your opinion, but I didn't have to call people names to make a point. You lost the debate long ago. 389 million an counting.......
And like the good little communist that you are, you ignore the facts when they are placed at your feet, proving you to be a liar. Nothing new there.
And when you don't get your way, it's communist. How is a political theory got anything to do with a vaccine. More foolish.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
It's your opinion, but I didn't have to call people names to make a point. You lost the debate long ago. 389 million an counting.......
And like the good little communist that you are, you ignore the facts when they are placed at your feet, proving you to be a liar. Nothing new there.
And when you don't get your way, it's communist. How is a political theory got anything to do with a vaccine. More foolish.
It's easier to use one word to describe a: liar, troll, tool, one who obfuscates, one who uses false negatives, one who ignores the facts, et al.
Commie works real good in this regard, being it is the truth, whether you are man enough to acknowledge it or not.
It has nothing to do with "getting my way". It has everything to do with acknowledgement of facts, which commies never do, when it shows them to be losing the debate, like you just using "vaccine" again, when even the manufacturer acknowledges it isn't a vaccine.
That 4 years of medical school and that grueling residency really paid off for an uneducated loon like you didn't it?
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
The above was from a study five years ago in 2015.
And what is different today pertaining to the spike protein that makes this design successful today?
Oh crap, they didn’t complete the trials did they?
Pesky facts. They always get in the way.
You are participating in a Phase 3 Human Clinical Trial, while you risk your lives, and are NOT even getting paid for it.
Your wives, and children, and grandchildren will hold their faces in the palms of their hands, in their laps, and cry and keep repeating the same word over and over, after you die or become seriously and permanently ill.
WHY? WHY? WHY?
WHY did they lie to us?
“15 days. We need to flatten the curve.”
15 days became 15 months became 15? years? centuries?
It failed five years ago, and it is a failure today, being there are no completed trials to prove the safety.
I'm sorry, did you prove where mRNA technology has a proven shot for any Corona virus that has completed the full trial protocol, that takes 10-20 years to ensure safety?
I've never seen you type anything above third grade level.
When dealing with you there is no reason to. As stated before. No one hear buys your bull💩. You’re a laughing stock here. We laugh AT you dumbass.
Checkmate
I've enjoyed some intelligent conversations with other intelligent people on this site through PM.
Do you really think I care what a loser like you thinks of me, knowing you are completely void of the ability to post anything even remotely coming close to being considered intelligent?
I've never seen you type anything above third grade level.
When dealing with you there is no reason to. As stated before. No one hear buys your bull💩. You’re a laughing stock here. We laugh AT you dumbass.
Checkmate
I've enjoyed some intelligent conversations with other intelligent people on this site through PM.
Do you really think I care what a loser like you thinks of me, knowing you are completely void of the ability to post anything even remotely coming close to being considered intelligent?
Obviously you do dumbfugk because you keep responding.
I've never seen you type anything above third grade level.
When dealing with you there is no reason to. As stated before. No one hear buys your bull💩. You’re a laughing stock here. We laugh AT you dumbass.
Checkmate
I've enjoyed some intelligent conversations with other intelligent people on this site through PM.
Do you really think I care what a loser like you thinks of me, knowing you are completely void of the ability to post anything even remotely coming close to being considered intelligent?
Obviously you do dumbfugk because you keep responding.
I'll stop responding when you stop replying. It's 2:00 PM CST, you need to go get in line for your bus.
I've never seen you type anything above third grade level.
When dealing with you there is no reason to. As stated before. No one hear buys your bull💩. You’re a laughing stock here. We laugh AT you dumbass.
Checkmate
I've enjoyed some intelligent conversations with other intelligent people on this site through PM.
Do you really think I care what a loser like you thinks of me, knowing you are completely void of the ability to post anything even remotely coming close to being considered intelligent?
Obviously you do dumbfugk because you keep responding.
I'll stop responding when you stop replying. It's 2:00 PM CST, you need to go get in line for your bus.
MM879, I tried to warn ya about engaging with this loon... sheesh.
What you are trying to engage with here is a very unhappy and quite possibly psychiatrically ill person, who happens to have an above-average level of intelligence. Such persons abound. In an actual community of real people with real, face-to-face interactions, these people are brought up fairly sharply for their antisocial behavior, and they either learn to behave more politely or they are shunned. In the context of this forum, the individual is able to spew his vitriol all over the place without negative consequence to himself, so there is no hope of ending his foul behavior.
The purpose of verbal discourse on a topic such as, oh, say, the current offerings of SARS-CoV2 immunizations, is normally to share information among the participants, and thereby to enlighten everyone to the same degree. If specific points of information are in dispute, the pros and cons of those points and the supporting information is discussed and more often than not these points of contention end up being "let's agree to disagree" until further evidence comes forward from the research community. Eventually, consensus on one or more major points is achieved, and everyone leaves the conversation more informed than they arrived.
This elkslayer91 person is not interested in discussing matters in this manner. His/her purpose is to browbeat, to insult, to attack ad hominem, and to declare himselfherself the "victor" in a contest that exists solely in his/her own mind. Here are some examples of this person's deranged thought processes that I picked up just from this single post:
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus.
Here we see an example of this person's remarkable thinking. S/he claims a definition of "vaccine" that is uniquely his own (it must prevent infection), and not surprisingly, it is a simplistic definition that no actual immunologist would ever use, but which suits his black-or-white-only thought process.
A quick look at an immunology or virology text book will tell you that a vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. This is a far more broad, yet more specific definition than the silly definition elkslayer insists on.
And here's the point: you can't have an argument with someone who won't follow the rules of logical discourse, the first of which is to accept common definitions of terms.
If s/he won't agree on basic definitions of terms, how can you "prove" anything to him/her? Since s/he is not willing to even start the discussion from an agreed starting point, there is no possibility of "proving" any point to him/her that s/he has not already arrived at.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public
Ah, yes... here s/he uses a derogatory term in an attempt to diminish his adversary (which is apparently you and me and others with expertise in the biomedical STEM fields) in order to maintain his/her moral high ground.
Yes, it's grade-school tactics, but hey, s/he thinks it works, so s/he'll keep on doing it.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement.
Now s/he is giving us the benefit of his/her legal training and expertise, advising us that we have transgressed the criminal code and are subject to the penalties thereof. The ego of this individual is truly grandiose. I note that s/he accused you (or maybe me, or someone else, I can't remember as I was just skimming) of gaslighting, which is of course a classic accusation of the person who is in fact actively gaslighting others. S/he thinks we are too stupid to see that s/he is doing it himself/herself.
MM879, I will not attempt to dissuade you further from engaging with this unfortunate person, as you have already done so and you're clearly committed to the task, but please do be aware of the tactics s/he uses and try to counter them as you formulate your responses. Good luck.
Sadly, s/he is far from stupid. Emotionally unstable, possibly deranged, addicted to the "high" of anger, and quite possibly a very abusive person in real life. Sociopathic? Almost certainly.
Thank for the kind words and your viewpoint. I agree with your analysis of Elk. I however don't think that he is that bright. I see a sloppy salesman type person that is trying to buy you a free lunch. Nothing irritates them more than disagreeing with them while their operating.
What you are trying to engage with here is a very unhappy and quite possibly psychiatrically ill person, who happens to have an above-average level of intelligence. Such persons abound. In an actual community of real people with real, face-to-face interactions, these people are brought up fairly sharply for their antisocial behavior, and they either learn to behave more politely or they are shunned. In the context of this forum, the individual is able to spew his vitriol all over the place without negative consequence to himself, so there is no hope of ending his foul behavior.
Nailed it, not surprisingly. If you read back through his posts, he repeatedly accuses others of being "mentally sick." So, there's projection too.
Nailed it, not surprisingly. If you read back through his posts, he repeatedly accuses others of being "mentally sick." So, there's projection too.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
You can use partial quotes and take statements out of context all you want (typical liberal reaction) but it makes you look stupid. You have become more and more argumentative for no good reason, not just this thread but many of the ones you insert yourself in. I don’t know if loneliness and old age is your excuse but either way you just come across as a washed up old crank that gets off on picking internet arguments because you lack excitement in your elderly life. Keep on keeping on champ....you’re always good for a laugh at your own expense.
The chap you are interrogating may have in fact read them, but from what I have gleaned from his writings here today, does not appear to have read much of the contextual research, a common problem on social media these days.
Yet you neither can produce evidence to show any successful shot has been granted FDA approval for a virus in the Corona family of viruses, a common problem on social media these days, as doctors are being exposed for their refusal to treat with proven off-patent / low cost medications to save lives. Just like the drug cartel, they have to protect their money tree medical industry that is bankrupting Americans, and breaking numerous federal laws, under the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Hence his certitude, sense of unassailable righteousness and contempt for the thoughts of others. Not really worth engaging, I’m afraid. But do so if you feel you must. Cheers.
Standard response when a person fails to quote a post and note the specific part that is incorrect.
Nice gaslighting, with your fancy adjectives sprinkled in.
Too bad your brain won’t allow you to prove me wrong with scientific proof.
Prove me wrong about ADE killing animals during past trials for a corona family virus shot. None has made it to human trials for a reason.
Prove me wrong about mRNA technology never having produced a successful FDA approved drug for a corona family virus.
Prove me wrong that VIROLOGISTS, Biologists w/ PhD’s, and Scientists are coming forward from around the world, and asking for a halt in the administering of these lethal shots because of the dangers they present to the world population. Come on doc, this one should be a slam dunk for you to prove me wrong. Why didn’t you quote where I stated it, and proved me wrong, being you have admitted to reading my posts. CRICKETS.
Prove to me you aren’t a mouthy doctor pizzed off for me exposing the Mass Murder of Americans you clown.
You might want to understand the definition of a phase 3 Clinical Trial. You will then understand how stupid your argument is.
It only takes one (1) article to prove you are a troll, and have zero clue what you are talking about.
Everywhere on the internet where, "legitimate" people discuss the "PHASE 3 TRIAL", it is PROPERLY identified as a PHASE 3 TRIAL, and even by my laying this evidence at your feet, you will still be TWO STOOPUD™ to know you are too stupid to realize you are STOOPUD.
OH, and by they way you stupid imbecile, that is a LEGAL INSTRUMENT you are reading, which requires proper identification, thus the PHASE 3 TRIAL language.
That legal PETITION / MOTION was German doctors filing for a STAY OF ACTION to put an immediate stop to trials being they were not being conducted properly, thus proving the fraud throughout this whole fraudulent pandemic from the onset, to Mass Murder citizens around the world.
You, and every lying troll on this thread, have failed to refute my hard scientific evidence, and that includes DOCROCKET who "attempted" to discredit me with the usage of SAUL "COMMUNIST" ALINSKY tactics from Rules for RADICALS.
Gee, why would a "doctor", DOCROCKET, not want me to post information that could save people's lives? Hmmm.
Let that sink into your heads while you people ponder that fact.
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“PHASE III - EUDRACT NUMBER: 2020-002641-42”
”ADMINISTRATIVE/REGULATORY STAY OF ACTION
This petition for a stay of action is submitted by the undersigned (“Petitioner” or “Lead Petitioner”) to request the EMA a) stay the Phase III clinical trial(s) of BNT162b (EudraCT Number 2020-002641-42) in the EU (current protocol country: Germany) until study design is amended to conform with the requests in the “Action Requested” section (B.) below; and b) stay all other clinical trials of vaccine candidates designed to stop transmission of the virus from the 2 | Page vaccine recipient to others and/or prevent or mitigate symptoms of COVID-19 for which PCR results are the primary evidence of infection.”
A. DECISIONS INVOLVED
I. Approval of trial design and/or decision to not challenge trial design for Phase III trial of BNT162 (EudraCT Number 2020-002641-42)
Here's a study out of Israel published in the Lancet. They found 91 percent effectiveness in real-world use. This study wasn't part of the trials, and was not conducted by the manufacturer.
I'm curious though, where are you getting this stuff? Someone is digging deep to find studies for you to misrepresent.
You're not changing any minds (though in fairness, I'm probably not either). You're just echoing back and forth among the same half-dozen tinfoil-hat commandos.
Oh hell, just the facts mam:
Your 91% effectiveness (FALSIFIED DOCUMENTS TO GET THE EUA) turned into only A 1% effectiveness IN THE REAL WORLD. That is a 99% FAILURE RATE.
"Therefore, they are claiming that the synthetic gene therapy injections are 95% efficacious. What they are not factoring in is the size of the denominator. If it is large, then with 8 vs 162, the difference becomes less significant. It matters how many people were in each group, for example, whether this be 200, 2,000, or 20,000.
This is the absolute risk reduction for Pfizer/BioNtech, each group had over 18,000 people!
This means, that someone who takes the Pfizer/BioNtech injection, has less than 1% chance of reducing at least one symptom of non-severe “Covid” for a period of 2 months. This means that someone who takes this injection has over 99% chance that it won’t work, regarding the efficacy. Over 100 people have to be injected for it to “work” in one person.
There are many issues with the trial data, and design. It must be noted that PCR tests are not fit for purpose and without Sanger sequencing we have no idea how many of these people actually had “Covid” vs another respiratory virus or something else. This is a preeminent reason why Dr Yeadon and Dr Wodarg filed a Stay of Action on the vaccine trials." https://healthimpactnews.com/wp-con..._01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf
Thank for the kind words and your viewpoint. I agree with your analysis of Elk. I however don't think that he is that bright. I see a sloppy salesman type person that is trying to buy you a free lunch. Nothing irritates them more than disagreeing with them while their operating.
15MAR21
Originally Posted by MM879
I'll get my shot this Wednsday. Actions speak louder than words.
Hey pal, you just hang around on this thread. You made the “worst mistake of your life”, in choosing to get the “experimental” NON-vaccine shot. I’ll be posting a few things here in the very near future that is going to cause you “major” sleepless nights, I promise you.
A person who takes an unproven / unsafe shot, made from synthetic gene therapy (SGT), being administered, illegally (Human experimentation), to humans for "the first time in HISTORY", and has the high potential of causing ADE and Viral Evasion (Which happened in past animal trial attempts to create a Corona family virus vaccine) is accusing me of not being bright.
Hey, but it worked in some Cancer treatments, so that means it will work on Corona viruses,.......as you have very clearly pointed out. Based on your DD abilities, I guess you would drive your vehicle across the desert, in the heat of the summer, without checking the fuel level before you begin your trip?
I think we're up to around 1,800 deaths so far, just in the first few months. It's working, and it's killing the virus. They just haven't figured out yet how to stop it from killing the people.
Nailed it, not surprisingly. If you read back through his posts, he repeatedly accuses others of being "mentally sick." So, there's projection too.
Oh, and lets not forget good ole smokepole. He got his shot too. LMAO, and we all know he never contributes any evidence to support his position. Imagine that, a “scientist”, he claims to be, who can’t produce documentation.
"Legally all those people giving “vaccinations” are war criminals…There is no doubt in my mind, this is global genocide.” - Dr. Vernon Coleman
Part of Nuremberg Code -
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The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential…This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.
This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
I am a pediatric specialist caring for children with the multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). I am concerned about the possibility that the new vaccines aimed at creating immunity against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (including the mRNA vaccines of Moderna and Pfizer) have the potential to cause microvascular injury to the brain, heart, liver, and kidneys in a way that does not currently appear to be assessed in safety trials of these potential drugs.
MM879, I tried to warn ya about engaging with this loon... sheesh.
What you are trying to engage with here is a very unhappy and quite possibly psychiatrically ill person, who happens to have an above-average level of intelligence. Such persons abound. In an actual community of real people with real, face-to-face interactions, these people are brought up fairly sharply for their antisocial behavior, and they either learn to behave more politely or they are shunned. In the context of this forum, the individual is able to spew his vitriol all over the place without negative consequence to himself, so there is no hope of ending his foul behavior.
DocRocket had a chance to respond to my reply to him, where I asked him to refute the scientific evidence of the possibility of these illegal shots causing ADE, viral evasion and discredit the fact Virologists, Biology PhD’s, and Scientists around the world are asking for an immediate stop to administering these human experimentation and illegal NON-vaccine shots. Instead of taking the opportunity to confirm these facts, which is easy and help save lives, he chooses to gaslight me with lies and false negatives, like communists are prone to doing when running a PSYOP propaganda campaign.
Let that cold hard fact sink in. I’m trying to save lives, while DocRocket is on the side of the communists, who discredit any truths posted in any medium of media. You will notice everything he accuses me of, he is the one actually doing it. Just remember while you read this sick man’s writing, he is a Medical Doctor, and what he accuses me of in the above, was simply me defending myself from these other trolls posting lies, gaslighting me, and failing to provide any documentation, standard communist debating tactics. He also has zero evidence to support his position, typical communist trait.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
The purpose of verbal discourse on a topic such as, oh, say, the current offerings of SARS-CoV2 immunizations, is normally to share information among the participants, and thereby to enlighten everyone to the same degree. If specific points of information are in dispute, the pros and cons of those points and the supporting information is discussed and more often than not these points of contention end up being "let's agree to disagree" until further evidence comes forward from the research community. Eventually, consensus on one or more major points is achieved, and everyone leaves the conversation more informed than they arrived.
Read that above again folks. DocRocket had the opportunity, with his whole post here, to inter into a discussion by answering my original post, but chose to be a cyber stalking troll instead, and paint me as the problem. He is lying, gaslighting and refusing to help save lives here.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
This elkslayer91 person is not interested in discussing matters in this manner. His/her purpose is to browbeat, to insult, to attack ad hominem, and to declare himselfherself the "victor" in a contest that exists solely in his/her own mind. Here are some examples of this person's deranged thought processes that I picked up just from this single post:
Read that above again folks. DocRocket had the opportunity, with his whole post here, to inter into a discussion by answering my original post, but chose to be a cyber stalking troll instead, and paint me as the problem. He is lying, gaslighting and refusing to help save lives here.
In the three quotes below, I will insert my original posts he quoted, and show you how much he cut out of it by bolding and underlining the wording he left out. He did this to build a false narrative concerning me with his continual lying, while he chooses to not discuss the topic to save lifes. Just remember this sick fact going forward until the end. No where in this thread has he offered factual scientific proof to help save lives.
DocRocket chopping up the original quote below. The bold/underline part he left out. That is a sign of extreme mental sickness when you can not debate the facts openly without defaulting to “child playground” tactics he accuses me of further down.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...protein-design-is-a-failure#Post15935516
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Here we see an example of this person's remarkable thinking. S/he claims a definition of "vaccine" that is uniquely his own (it must prevent infection), and not surprisingly, it is a simplistic definition that no actual immunologist would ever use, but which suits his black-or-white-only thought process.
A quick look at an immunology or virology text book will tell you that a vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. This is a far more broad, yet more specific definition than the silly definition elkslayer insists on.
And here's the point: you can't have an argument with someone who won't follow the rules of logical discourse, the first of which is to accept common definitions of terms.
If s/he won't agree on basic definitions of terms, how can you "prove" anything to him/her? Since s/he is not willing to even start the discussion from an agreed starting point, there is no possibility of "proving" any point to him/her that s/he has not already arrived at.
Ok, keep that whole thought to what he just stated. Six posts further down, I posted a definition for “vaccine”, and bolded immunity, with a link to it which he completely ignored:
He typed four (4) paragraphs above, and chopped my quote to paint that lie, when I posted a definition and link just a few posts later. That is using gaslighting to lie and cyber stalk a person in their attempt to demean and humiliate them. That is serious mental sickness there people, and he’s a doctor. He also refuses to point out the illegal fraud with the non-vaccine shots that are killing people to help save lives in this thread, while I am trying to educate you people with the truth.
DocRocket chopping up the original quote below. See bold/underline below he left out. That is a sign of extreme mental sickness when you can not debate the facts openly without defaulting to “child playground” tactics.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus.You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...protein-design-is-a-failure#Post15935516
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Ah, yes... here s/he uses a derogatory term in an attempt to diminish his adversary (which is apparently you and me and others with expertise in the biomedical STEM fields) in order to maintain his/her moral high ground.
Yes, it's grade-school tactics, but hey, s/he thinks it works, so s/he'll keep on doing it.
Oh my, look at the part he chopped off, that completes the sentence which s the “key” part of disclosing the truth;
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
He left out the bolded, as you can see above in the original post, too. Hold on, are you ready for it, the “money shot”, he accuses “me” here of “grade-school tactics”, when it is him using the “grade-school tactics”. That is using reverse psychology in an attempt to discredit someone with outright lies, and remember, he’s a “medical doctor”, and not taking the time in this thread to tell you do not take these unproven shots that are killing people. His tactics are exactly how communists debate using lies, obfuscation, and false naratives, to force their opponent to defend them selves from the lies. These type of individuals are morally bankrupt for attempting to gaslight people with lies for posting truth to save lives. Again, where has he attempted to save a life by exposing the covid-19 fraud in this thread in any post thus far?
DocRocket chopping up the original quote below. See bold/underline above he left out. That is a sign of extreme mental sickness when you can not debate the facts openly without defaulting to “child playground” tactics.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
You're clueless.
1 - This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus. You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public into thinking it is safe, because you are branding it as such, a vaccine. Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement. 2 - this isn't about cancer, so you put out a strawman argument. 3 - They didn't develop squat. They developed a marketing campaign based on fear and lies, and relying on clowns like you to spread it. You're such a big azzhat clown you refuse to acknowledge it is a phase 3 trial, when doctors everywhere have acknowledged this fact.https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...protein-design-is-a-failure#Post15935516
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement.
Originally Posted by Docrocket
Now s/he is giving us the benefit of his/her legal training and expertise, advising us that we have transgressed the criminal code and are subject to the penalties thereof. The ego of this individual is truly grandiose. I note that s/he accused you (or maybe me, or someone else, I can't remember as I was just skimming) of gaslighting, which is of course a classic accusation of the person who is in fact actively gaslighting others. S/he thinks we are too stupid to see that s/he is doing it himself/herself.
Did you catch that last part pertaining to gaslighting? That is an attempt to deflect his actual guilt of using gaslighting throughout his whole post here, and beat me to the punch and paint me with his guilt. Straight out of SAUL “COMMUNIST” ALINSKY’S book, “Rules for Radicals” He has used communist debating tactics throughout this whole posting.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
MM879, I will not attempt to dissuade you further from engaging with this unfortunate person, as you have already done so and you're clearly committed to the task, but please do be aware of the tactics s/he uses and try to counter them as you formulate your responses. Good luck.
Ah, the final attempt here in his closing to paint himself as an authority, who has taken the moral high ground here, while he carefully gaslighted me throughout with lies.
[Standing Ovation] One of the most excellent jobs I have ever seen of a communist demonstrating his refined ability to utilize SAUL “COMMUNIST” ALINSKY tactics.
Well done sir, you Useful Idiot.
Now how about answering my original post requesting you refute my scientific proof these shots are lethal and not safe? You see people, what you don’t know, and ole doc here realizes I’m a real threat to their industry by exposing the whole criminal aspect to the industry by exposing this Covid-19 fraud, and they love their protected cartel they have had going for decades to milk tax payers with through their illegal price fixing and collusion amongst the Insurance, PHARM, hospitals and huge doctor conglomarates.
The above is exactly why I did not spend this past year loading this sight with helpful information to help save lives here. I made one detailed post last year at the beginning, in a thread Roger started and reposted it in DocRockets thread he started, at the beginning, to start to help, and stopped because of the trolling idiots here. Some appreciated the advice: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-the-science-is-not-settled#Post14727060
Originally Posted by DocRocket
1) Public health has been grossly underfunded at the UN and in America for decades, which is squarely the fault of Congress for the past 50 years;
That is from the link above in the OP on page one. Him backing the UN is all I needed to know about him, and him following CDC, WHO, commie Fauci, NIH, advising people to stay home and shelter in place, et al.(All the commie crap) when the OP was posted on 26MAR20. I, at the time, already knew those were the wrong moves, and so did others in the know in this country, but I wasn’t about to get into it on this sight, because I knew it would be a waste of my time.
Go read this link people, and click all of the links within the story showing the supportive evidence, so you will become educated with the truth. It’s about a 45 – 60 minute read, but it is very well written. It exposes this whole Covid-19 fraud wide open as to the danger these shots can create.
The link is why DocRocket attacked me. He knows I’m no dummy, and I know my crap, and he knows I’m a threat to the criminal medical industry that is about to bankrupt the whole country through their protected collusion and price fixing.
I told you people a few days ago the worst thing you can do is administer a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, for the very reason it can create viral evasion from new mutations of the virus that become resistant to the shots being given. It is caused from non-matching antibodies, and for that reason you DO NOT use it while a virus is circulating.
I also backed it up with the example in past history where it almost accidently happened with the Polio vaccine. The original scientist of the Polio vaccine, Salk, did not understand the above. Thankfully, another scientist, Sabin, did and corrected it or they would have created what we are now facing, a global die-off we can’t stop.
Below quote was translated from German to English using google.
MARCH 28, 2021 -
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The risk of the emergence of virus variants resistant to coronavirus vaccines will increase if the vaccination campaign moves forward with a rapid increase in the number of new infections a day, the German chancellor said in a newspaper interview on Sunday.
In an interview with Bild am Sonntag, Helge Braun explained that if the number of infections rises sharply again in parallel with the vaccination campaign, the risk of the next virus mutation becoming immune to the vaccine increases.
The above article came out in the news in Germany yesterday, 28MAR21, confirming what I told you, and the reason why many Virologists, PhD. Biologists, and Scientists around the world are presently attempting to stop the shots from being given. You will not find that mentioned in any USA media, because they are a part of this Genocide, and are hiding the facts from the public.
The ”rapid increase in the number of new infections a day” was the runaway train down a mountain I mentioned, as an analogy. You can’t stop it. It is physically and scientifically impossible to vaccinate your way out of that situation, and has a very high chance of creating another Dark Ages period, from the destruction a complete stoppage of the infrastructure would create, from the millions of deaths of humans that can no longer run it. Bubonic Plague level of deaths or worse (10 – 40+ % population die-off).
Now, to prove to you the US government, and every government around the world) knows this, and is moving forward with the Genocide, I give you:
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Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued guidance for medical product developers, specifically covering vaccines, diagnostics and therapeutics products, to address the emergence and potential future emergence of variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. … The FDA has anticipated the possible emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants and has already been prepared to address changes in the virus, informed by the agency’s experience with evolving infectious diseases, such as influenza and HIV. … However, if there is an emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variant(s) in the U.S. that are moderately or fully resistant to the antibody response elicited by the current generation of COVID-19 vaccines, it may be necessary to tailor the vaccines to the variant(s).
The updated guidance outlines the FDAs scientific recommendations for modifications to authorized vaccines. For example, the FDA expects that manufacturing information will remain generally the same for an authorized vaccine and a modified vaccine candidate from the same manufacturer[/b].
In the first paragraph, the government is acknowledging the virus will mutate into new strains. What they fail to mention is these new strains will become resistant to any new shot formula as they mutate away from them, as past scientific evidence in past history has proven in this situation.
So the government, through their own admission here, has released the present shots being given into the public knowing they will not stop the virus, but only create more infections from giving these non-antibody matching shots during a time the virus is active in the population, just like almost happened with the Polio vaccine. The scientists know this, but did it this time knowing what the End Game would be, massive deaths.
In the second paragraph, they note their “agency’s experience’. That is further admission they knew the mRNA design shots would create these mutating vaccine resistant variants, because they also found this out when attempting to design a HIV vaccine, which you’ll notice they mentioned “HIV” in the paragraph. What they don’t mention is the history about the Polio vaccine above, and how the CV19 design is not being stopped, that proves this is wrong to move forward with, as the German article points out.
In the third paragraph, they discuss how they will alter the original shot design to solve the constantly mutating virus. That is impossible to accomplish, because you will “always” be behind the eight ball as the virus is constantly mutating, and it is physically and logistically impossible to get ahead in that scenario (manufacture shots and get to the public), especially when you have no clue as to what the formulation of the next mutation will be. These mRNA shots create a singular antibody to neutralize the spike protein, whereas natural antibodies, through obtaining an infection from the virus, makes your body create multiple different antibodies that target more than just the spike protein. With the (mRNA) design antibody, the virus only has to make one change to become a new mutation of the virus, whereas with multiple natural antibodies, the virus is forced to make several changes to become a new virus mutation, but in doing so, making multiple changes weakens the virus, and that is what destroys the virus and is why you want natural infection to achieve natural immunity. Natural infection also gives you T-cell recognition for lasting immunity. This is why vaccines using either a live virus or dead virus formulation works.
These mRNA shots don’t give you T-Cell recognition, and only force your system to produce an overabundance of these synthetic single antibodies that only attack the spike protein, and nothing more, which allows the virus to mutate and survive.
All of the CV19 shots are Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) that create a singular antibody, not multiple, and they will never work, and the governments know this, so why are they giving a shot they know won’t work? That is coming further down.
The fourth paragraph, “the FDA expects that manufacturing information will remain generally the same for an authorized vaccine and a modified vaccine candidate from the same manufacturer”, means they are not going to test the new modified shots, being they will be from the same manufacturer.” Let that sink in people. They did not run a legally required complete development protocol with the original designs to ensure safety or to prove they work, which takes 10-20 years, and now they are abdicating from any testing for the new modified shots they will create and give, because they come from the same manufacturer.
Are you freaking kidding me? No, I’m not. You just read it with your own eyes, their words, not mine.
These Synthetic Gene Altering shots force your body to produce massive amounts of these single antibodies, way more than what your system produces from when becoming infected naturally and your body producing multiple antibodies.
It is the above scenario that can cause ADE, either from the same virus strain as the shot is designed for or a newly mutated strain the antibodies don’t recognize. Both can kick your immune system into a wide open scenario to fight off the virus, and not stop(Ultimately killing you), because remember, the shot forces your body to pump out multiples of antibodies constantly, over and above, what it normally would from natural antibodies being created.
They will use these shots under the guise you need the “new” shot to fight off the “new” strain, so your body will steadily be pumping out high amounts of antibodies, so when you get infected from any strain, it will send your immune into overdrive and kill YOU just like it killed the majority of animals during all animal trials in the past attempts to create a corona virus vaccine.
These reactions people are having that are killing many, is their immune systems going into over drive and attacking their body organs, and shutting them down, as well as other problems, like the blood clots causing strokes and heart attacks.
When the government actions above are on purpose, I believe it is no different than what happened during the Twentieth Century, when the other tyrant dictators killed people in mass.
Don’t believe me? Then why do they want to now start giving children below 18 the shots, when they can survive the virus 99.99% of the time as already shown by the numbers, under the lie we need to, so we can reach herd immunity, when the country has already reached herd immunity? The numbers prove we have.
There’s a video of Fauci in the article below talking about giving children, what is becoming a very lethal shot. He’s a mentally sick man who has lied throughout this fraud.
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Covid-19 Shots for Children Hold Key to Herd Immunity Vaccinating children will likely be necessary to reach herd immunity, experts say, but vaccines aren’t authorized for kids yet “Countries are racing to immunize adults against Covid-19 and move toward a more normal future. To achieve the vaccination rates that health authorities are aiming for, the shots must eventually reach the arms of children and teenagers, too. Children aren’t going to be vaccinated for several months at least, however, because drugmakers are still testing shots in younger ages. That means health authorities can’t be confident of securing community protection against the virus, known as herd immunity, until later this year at the earliest, because children under 18 make up a significant proportion of many countries’ populations. “We definitely need to get kids vaccinated if we want to be as close to normal as we can,” said Octavio Ramilo, chief of infectious diseases at nationwide Children’s Hospital, in Ohio.”
Are they as sick as Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Lennon, Mussolini?
The evidence so far says they are, just as the evidence is proving this is the beginning of another Genocide except this time it is across the whole world in unison, by the Medical-Industrial Complex, the same Medical-Industrial Complex that helped to kill millions in the Twentieth century.
You are living and witnessing, live, the start of another Genocide.
Getting the shot is no different than walking into the boxcars, and then stepping into the showers.
ISRAELI HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR VERA SHARAV AND DR. REINER FUELLMICH (GERMAN LAWYER) - GLOBAL GENOCIDE
I told you people a few days ago the worst thing you can do is administer a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, for the very reason it can create viral evasion from new mutations of the virus that become resistant to the shots being given. It is caused from non-matching antibodies, and for that reason you DO NOT use it while a virus is circulating.
I also backed it up with the example in past history where it almost accidently happened with the Polio vaccine. The original scientist of the Polio vaccine, Salk, did not understand the above. Thankfully, another scientist, Sabin, did and corrected it or they would have created what we are now facing, a global die-off we can’t stop.
Below quote was translated from German to English using google.
MARCH 28, 2021 -
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The risk of the emergence of virus variants resistant to coronavirus vaccines will increase if the vaccination campaign moves forward with a rapid increase in the number of new infections a day, the German chancellor said in a newspaper interview on Sunday.
In an interview with Bild am Sonntag, Helge Braun explained that if the number of infections rises sharply again in parallel with the vaccination campaign, the risk of the next virus mutation becoming immune to the vaccine increases.
The above article came out in the news in Germany yesterday, 28MAR21, confirming what I told you, and the reason why many Virologists, PhD. Biologists, and Scientists around the world are presently attempting to stop the shots from being given. You will not find that mentioned in any USA media, because they are a part of this Genocide, and are hiding the facts from the public.
The ”rapid increase in the number of new infections a day” was the runaway train down a mountain I mentioned, as an analogy. You can’t stop it. It is physically and scientifically impossible to vaccinate your way out of that situation, and has a very high chance of creating another Dark Ages period, from the destruction a complete stoppage of the infrastructure would create, from the millions of deaths of humans that can no longer run it. Bubonic Plague level of deaths or worse (10 – 40+ % population die-off).
Now, to prove to you the US government, and every government around the world) knows this, and is moving forward with the Genocide, I give you:
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Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued guidance for medical product developers, specifically covering vaccines, diagnostics and therapeutics products, to address the emergence and potential future emergence of variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. … The FDA has anticipated the possible emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants and has already been prepared to address changes in the virus, informed by the agency’s experience with evolving infectious diseases, such as influenza and HIV. … However, if there is an emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variant(s) in the U.S. that are moderately or fully resistant to the antibody response elicited by the current generation of COVID-19 vaccines, it may be necessary to tailor the vaccines to the variant(s).
The updated guidance outlines the FDAs scientific recommendations for modifications to authorized vaccines. For example, the FDA expects that manufacturing information will remain generally the same for an authorized vaccine and a modified vaccine candidate from the same manufacturer[/b].
In the first paragraph, the government is acknowledging the virus will mutate into new strains. What they fail to mention is these new strains will become resistant to any new shot formula as they mutate away from them, as past scientific evidence in past history has proven in this situation.
So the government, through their own admission here, has released the present shots being given into the public knowing they will not stop the virus, but only create more infections from giving these non-antibody matching shots during a time the virus is active in the population, just like almost happened with the Polio vaccine. The scientists know this, but did it this time knowing what the End Game would be, massive deaths.
In the second paragraph, they note their “agency’s experience’. That is further admission they knew the mRNA design shots would create these mutating vaccine resistant variants, because they also found this out when attempting to design a HIV vaccine, which you’ll notice they mentioned “HIV” in the paragraph. What they don’t mention is the history about the Polio vaccine above, and how the CV19 design is not being stopped, that proves this is wrong to move forward with, as the German article points out.
In the third paragraph, they discuss how they will alter the original shot design to solve the constantly mutating virus. That is impossible to accomplish, because you will “always” be behind the eight ball as the virus is constantly mutating, and it is physically and logistically impossible to get ahead in that scenario (manufacture shots and get to the public), especially when you have no clue as to what the formulation of the next mutation will be. These mRNA shots create a singular antibody to neutralize the spike protein, whereas natural antibodies, through obtaining an infection from the virus, makes your body create multiple different antibodies that target more than just the spike protein. With the (mRNA) design antibody, the virus only has to make one change to become a new mutation of the virus, whereas with multiple natural antibodies, the virus is forced to make several changes to become a new virus mutation, but in doing so, making multiple changes weakens the virus, and that is what destroys the virus and is why you want natural infection to achieve natural immunity. Natural infection also gives you T-cell recognition for lasting immunity. This is why vaccines using either a live virus or dead virus formulation works.
These mRNA shots don’t give you T-Cell recognition, and only force your system to produce an overabundance of these synthetic single antibodies that only attack the spike protein, and nothing more, which allows the virus to mutate and survive.
All of the CV19 shots are Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) that create a singular antibody, not multiple, and they will never work, and the governments know this, so why are they giving a shot they know won’t work? That is coming further down.
The fourth paragraph, “the FDA expects that manufacturing information will remain generally the same for an authorized vaccine and a modified vaccine candidate from the same manufacturer”, means they are not going to test the new modified shots, being they will be from the same manufacturer.” Let that sink in people. They did not run a legally required complete development protocol with the original designs to ensure safety or to prove they work, which takes 10-20 years, and now they are abdicating from any testing for the new modified shots they will create and give, because they come from the same manufacturer.
Are you freaking kidding me? No, I’m not. You just read it with your own eyes, their words, not mine.
These Synthetic Gene Altering shots force your body to produce massive amounts of these single antibodies, way more than what your system produces from when becoming infected naturally and your body producing multiple antibodies.
It is the above scenario that can cause ADE, either from the same virus strain as the shot is designed for or a newly mutated strain the antibodies don’t recognize. Both can kick your immune system into a wide open scenario to fight off the virus, and not stop(Ultimately killing you), because remember, the shot forces your body to pump out multiples of antibodies constantly, over and above, what it normally would from natural antibodies being created.
They will use these shots under the guise you need the “new” shot to fight off the “new” strain, so your body will steadily be pumping out high amounts of antibodies, so when you get infected from any strain, it will send your immune into overdrive and kill YOU just like it killed the majority of animals during all animal trials in the past attempts to create a corona virus vaccine.
These reactions people are having that are killing many, is their immune systems going into over drive and attacking their body organs, and shutting them down, as well as other problems, like the blood clots causing strokes and heart attacks.
When the government actions above are on purpose, I believe it is no different than what happened during the Twentieth Century, when the other tyrant dictators killed people in mass.
Don’t believe me? Then why do they want to now start giving children below 18 the shots, when they can survive the virus 99.99% of the time as already shown by the numbers, under the lie we need to, so we can reach herd immunity, when the country has already reached herd immunity? The numbers prove we have.
There’s a video of Fauci in the article below talking about giving children, what is becoming a very lethal shot. He’s a mentally sick man who has lied throughout this fraud.
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Covid-19 Shots for Children Hold Key to Herd Immunity Vaccinating children will likely be necessary to reach herd immunity, experts say, but vaccines aren’t authorized for kids yet “Countries are racing to immunize adults against Covid-19 and move toward a more normal future. To achieve the vaccination rates that health authorities are aiming for, the shots must eventually reach the arms of children and teenagers, too. Children aren’t going to be vaccinated for several months at least, however, because drugmakers are still testing shots in younger ages. That means health authorities can’t be confident of securing community protection against the virus, known as herd immunity, until later this year at the earliest, because children under 18 make up a significant proportion of many countries’ populations. “We definitely need to get kids vaccinated if we want to be as close to normal as we can,” said Octavio Ramilo, chief of infectious diseases at nationwide Children’s Hospital, in Ohio.”
Are they as sick as Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Lennon, Mussolini?
The evidence so far says they are, just as the evidence is proving this is the beginning of another Genocide except this time it is across the whole world in unison, by the Medical-Industrial Complex, the same Medical-Industrial Complex that helped to kill millions in the Twentieth century.
You are living and witnessing, live, the start of another Genocide.
Getting the shot is no different than walking into the boxcars, and then stepping into the showers.
ISRAELI HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR VERA SHARAV AND DR. REINER FUELLMICH (GERMAN LAWYER) - GLOBAL GENOCIDE
I just read through the earlier posts, 20 minutes of my life I’m never getting back.
And now you know who the trolls are here, and who is the "only person" actually posting information to save lives in this thread, I AM.
You're saving lives like you hit 300 yard drives: you don't
You are "proudly" administering these shots that will kill people eventually, and are a part of what will be the largest Genocide in history.
The fact you are incapable of discussing this sad situation at the level I am, is even sadder.
Don't be mad at me for handing you your azz in that golf thread, and showing you didn't know jack crap about balata balls being able to be driven 300+ yards today, and 340 yards back in the 1960's, when you didn't think they can't even be driven 300 today.
You are clueless, and you're a troll, a 50 year old male nurse at work, trolling on the internet.
That's the Medical-Industrial Complex for you, not giving a damn at all at work, and killing americans.
I just read through the earlier posts, 20 minutes of my life I’m never getting back.
And now you know who the trolls are here, and who is the "only person" actually posting information to save lives in this thread, I AM.
You're saving lives like you hit 300 yard drives: you don't
You are "proudly" administering these shots that will kill people eventually, and are a part of what will be the largest Genocide in history.
The fact you are incapable of discussing this sad situation at the level I am, is even sadder.
Don't be mad at me for handing you your azz in that golf thread, and showing you didn't know jack crap about balata balls being able to be driven 300+ yards today, and 340 yards back in the 1960's, when you didn't think they can't even be driven 300 today.
You are clueless, and you're a troll, a 50 year old male nurse at work, trolling on the internet.
That's the Medical-Industrial Complex for you, not giving a damn at all at work, and killing americans.
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You're still a pussy that talked shiit, then ran like a beotch when offered the chance to back it up.
You're still a pussy that talked shiit, then ran like a beotch when offered the chance to back it up.
Wrong sport, you guys got really quiet after I dropped the facts on you, to prove you were clueless, and showed how Jack was driving 340 yard drives, with a persimmon wooded driver.
Take your happy azz elsewhere. You obviously don't have a clue about this topic either.
And it's sad how a 50+ year old man on the internet thinks someone has to "prove" something to them, when challenged.
I use to walk on a course cold and could shoot scratch., and hit a long ball. Don't be jealous because you never reached that pinnacle, and can barely dribble out a 250 yard drive.
You're still a pussy that talked shiit, then ran like a beotch when offered the chance to back it up.
Wrong sport, you guys got really quite after I dropped the facts on you, to prove you were clueless, and showed how Jack was driving 340 yard drives, with a persimmon wooded driver.
Take your happy azz elsewhere. You obviously don't have a clue about this topic either.
And it's sad how a 50+ year old man on the internet thinks someone has to "prove" something to them, when challenged.
I use to walk on a course cold and could shoot scratch., and hit a long ball. Don't be jealous because you never reached that pinnacle, and can barely dribble out a 250 yard drive.
Ok, let's try it again:
I will bet you $1,000 that you can't hit one drive out of three a measured 300+ yards (edit: in the fairway)on a flat hole with less than 10mph of wind.
Listen, limp brain, it might be quite possible I was typing fast, and misspelled that word accidentally (It's not like there were wrong letters typed, and they are right next to each other), and the radio might have been playing too, where it was not quiet in my surroundings.
Hopefully your two brains cells communicate this, to assure you I know the difference, though I doubt it, quite frankly.
Listen, limp brain, it might be quite possible I was typing fast, and misspelled that word accidentally (It's not like there were wrong letters typed, and they are right next to each other), and the radio might have been playing too, where it was not quiet in my surroundings.
Hopefully your two brains cells communicate this, to assure you I know the difference, though I doubt it, quite frankly.
It’s quite possible you’re the biggest lying sack of crap on this entire site. You are full of excrement. Let me repeat that you are a lying sack of crap.
Listen, limp brain, it might be quite possible I was typing fast, and misspelled that word accidentally (It's not like there were wrong letters typed, and they are right next to each other), and the radio might have been playing too, where it was not quiet in my surroundings.
Hopefully your two brains cells communicate this, to assure you I know the difference, though I doubt it, quite frankly.
It’s quite possible you’re the biggest lying sack of crap on this entire site. You are full of excrement. Let me repeat that you are a lying sack of crap.
MM879, I tried to warn ya about engaging with this loon... sheesh.
What you are trying to engage with here is a very unhappy and quite possibly psychiatrically ill person, who happens to have an above-average level of intelligence. Such persons abound. In an actual community of real people with real, face-to-face interactions, these people are brought up fairly sharply for their antisocial behavior, and they either learn to behave more politely or they are shunned. In the context of this forum, the individual is able to spew his vitriol all over the place without negative consequence to himself, so there is no hope of ending his foul behavior.
The purpose of verbal discourse on a topic such as, oh, say, the current offerings of SARS-CoV2 immunizations, is normally to share information among the participants, and thereby to enlighten everyone to the same degree. If specific points of information are in dispute, the pros and cons of those points and the supporting information is discussed and more often than not these points of contention end up being "let's agree to disagree" until further evidence comes forward from the research community. Eventually, consensus on one or more major points is achieved, and everyone leaves the conversation more informed than they arrived.
This elkslayer91 person is not interested in discussing matters in this manner. His/her purpose is to browbeat, to insult, to attack ad hominem, and to declare himselfherself the "victor" in a contest that exists solely in his/her own mind. Here are some examples of this person's deranged thought processes that I picked up just from this single post:
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus.
Here we see an example of this person's remarkable thinking. S/he claims a definition of "vaccine" that is uniquely his own (it must prevent infection), and not surprisingly, it is a simplistic definition that no actual immunologist would ever use, but which suits his black-or-white-only thought process.
A quick look at an immunology or virology text book will tell you that a vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. This is a far more broad, yet more specific definition than the silly definition elkslayer insists on.
And here's the point: you can't have an argument with someone who won't follow the rules of logical discourse, the first of which is to accept common definitions of terms.
If s/he won't agree on basic definitions of terms, how can you "prove" anything to him/her? Since s/he is not willing to even start the discussion from an agreed starting point, there is no possibility of "proving" any point to him/her that s/he has not already arrived at.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public
Ah, yes... here s/he uses a derogatory term in an attempt to diminish his adversary (which is apparently you and me and others with expertise in the biomedical STEM fields) in order to maintain his/her moral high ground.
Yes, it's grade-school tactics, but hey, s/he thinks it works, so s/he'll keep on doing it.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement.
Now s/he is giving us the benefit of his/her legal training and expertise, advising us that we have transgressed the criminal code and are subject to the penalties thereof. The ego of this individual is truly grandiose. I note that s/he accused you (or maybe me, or someone else, I can't remember as I was just skimming) of gaslighting, which is of course a classic accusation of the person who is in fact actively gaslighting others. S/he thinks we are too stupid to see that s/he is doing it himself/herself.
MM879, I will not attempt to dissuade you further from engaging with this unfortunate person, as you have already done so and you're clearly committed to the task, but please do be aware of the tactics s/he uses and try to counter them as you formulate your responses. Good luck.
Screaming, vitriolic, name-calling, angry, and bitter. 2 or 3 am rants. No interest in discussion.
Differential: thirty-something y/o Marxist women, recently jilted by her female companion professional who works in a lab for Moderna. 😉
Screaming, vitriolic, name-calling, angry, and bitter. 2 or 3 am rants. No interest in discussion.
Differential: thirty-something y/o Marxist women, recently jilted by her female companion professional who works in a lab for Moderna.
Hey Boy George, I noticed you couldn’t refute any of the scientific evidence I produced above, nor could DocRocket, so, being you couldn’t, and you decided to relegate yourself to troll status in this thread, I was just curious, does this make you a fool for not knowing anything about the deadly shots or does it make you a fool for having advised people to take the deadly Covid-19 shots, thus making you foolishly embarrassed now, and why you hate this thread, and me, for exposing the Genocide being conducted by the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex across the global world, and proving it with hard scientific proof, which I plan to continue with?
How’s that for a run on sentence? Pretty smart, aye, you troll?
You said, ”No interest in discussion”. You’re a LYING TROLL, when I have loaded this thread with factual scientific evidence. You, sir, are a mental midget.
Don’t me ashamed you’re a dumbazz, and can’t refute the solid scientific evidence I am producing, mr. (Boy George) doctor, of the Medical-Industrial Complex committing Genocide, Worldwide.
Now, for those of you wanting more proof these shots are dangerous, and “will” change your DNA for the worse, thus causing death and life debilitating illness from cancer to immunosuppression diseases, birth defects, and the list is endless when you CHANGE the DNA, I bring you additional solid evidence:
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A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.
The scientists conducted the analysis because they were puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.
Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells, these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed (a phenomenon called retro-integration) and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.
According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to current biological dogma) belong to the category of Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldnt Happen Which Actually Happened. ... The authors suggest that while the clinical consequences require further study, detrimental effects are a distinct possibility and depending on the integrated viral fragments insertion sites in the human genome and an individuals underlying health status could include a more severe immune response such as a cytokine storm or auto-immune reactions.
In 2012, a study suggested that viral genome integration could lead to drastic consequences for the host cell, including gene disruption, insertional mutagenesis and cell death.
TO ALL: STOP REFERRING TO THE FDA “APPROVING “. The FDA does not APPROVE anything. They, after examination of the evidence of effectiveness or acceptable function, in the case of medical devices, either CLEAR THE PRODUCT FOR USE or DENY. The FDA does not APPROVE anything. That amounts to a recommendation. They rather clear it for use after successfully concluding the product 1)functions or acts as proclaimed or designed and 2) does not create undue risk to the patient. These 2 are drastically simplified but are the basics of what the FDA looks at. There’s much more to it. Except, the FDA DOES NOT APPROVE ANYTHING. Whatever they are looking at is either CLEARED FOR USE OR NOT. Seems simple but there’s a big difference.
And just my input into all the Phase I, II, and III mumbo jumbo jumbo going on here. There is NO logical or previously followed course of action that has been followed in this falsely proclaimed PAN-demic that has more than a 99% rate of survival. The pharmaceutical companies developing this savior of mankind are all in bed with the Communist Government if they are using this Godless nation with Godless rulers to produce product sold to American citizens by the ton. This is a deliberately imposed epidemic of varying deadliness depending on age and co-morbidities. It was deliberately released upon the world by the Communist Chinese government by a delivery system faintly disguised as “unrestricted air travel”. Infected Chinese citizens were intentionally released to spread the disease from its release site. Visitors were intentionally allowed to acquire the disease to take back home. I see no logical denial.
Communist Chinese assets in the US should be seized and used for collateral in civil suits. After all is declared done, neither they or any other foreign entity be allowed to own real property or corporate holdings within the United States. Remaining assets should be liquidated and repatriated to the home country. We do not need foreign ownership of the United States of America except to feed political and corporate greed.
And remember this above all. The Communist Chinese government is your enemy. Their goal is world domination. We are the biggest stumbling block in their way. Logically folks if you are able, do you seriously believe they wish us well? Amen
”Hospitals are filling up with people who have suffered serious adverse reactions to the experimental Covid vaccines according to NHS Doctors.
Numerous reports have been made of people turning up to A&E with serious health complaints due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab across the UK including London, the South, the North West, the East of England and the Midlands. With senior NHS staff describing how alarmed they are at the sheer quantity of patients coming through the door.
One doctor working in London described how their department was “swamped” with patients attending with adverse reaction to the AstraZeneca jab after being sent by their GP.
“We will have to rapidly come up with a hospital pathway and policy to risk stratify these people. Our hematologists are working on this,” the doctor said.”
“Nearly one-hundred doctors have signed a letter calling for children to not be endangered by being given the experimental Covid-19 vaccines.
In the letter the doctors explained that “There is no room to vaccinate children at this time, we do not understand everything about the virus and the vaccine against it, and the first commandment of medicine is – ‘First do not harm.'”
The letter includes the signatures of 92 Israeli doctos including Dr. Amir Shachar, director of the emergency room at Laniado Hospital, Dr. Yoav Yehezkeli, an expert in internal medicine and a lecturer at Tel Aviv University, and Dr. Avi Mizrahi, director of the intensive care unit at Kaplan Hospital.
The doctors addressed the letter “to the chiefs of the Ministry of Health, to our fellow doctors around the country, and to the entire public.” They also noted that “the increasingly prevalent opinion within the scientific community is that the vaccine cannot lead to herd immunity, therefore there is currently no ‘altruistic’ justification for vaccinating children to protect at-risk populations.”
They added that even today it is unclear whether the vaccine prevents the spread of the virus and for how long it confers protection, and noted that new variants “that may be more resistant to vaccination” are manifesting left, right and centre.
“We believe that not even a handful of children should be endangered through mass vaccination against a disease that is not dangerous to them,” they wrote. “Furthermore, it cannot be ruled out that the vaccine will have long-term adverse effects that have not yet been discovered at this time, including on growth, reproductive system or fertility. Children should be allowed a quick return to routine; the many tests and broad isolation cycles should be stopped, and no separation between the vaccinated and unvaccinated should be created in the public sphere. Vaccination of at-risk populations should be allowed, and under the almost complete vaccination of this population – it is possible to return to full routine (with periodic adjustments) even in the presence of COVID-19 virus.”
They devoted a separate part of the letter to state that there is still not a complete picture of serious and rare effects of the vaccine, due to the fact that many vaccinated people who experienced side have not reported it. “We fear that at this point in time, there is under-reporting of side effects. Moreover, a causal link between events – if any – will only emerge in due course, as more and more events of a certain type accumulate. For example, if there is a serious health event that happens to 12 young people a year in Israel (ie – an average of 1 per month), while the vaccine also causes this serious event infrequently, it will take many months until it is clear that there is an increase in the incidence of the event, and that there is a connection between the vaccine and its appearance.” The same can be said for the UK where the British public can report adverse reactions to the Covid jabs to the MHRA Yellow Card Scheme, it is thought just 1% of adverse reactions are actually reported, with many members of the public not even knowing the scheme exists. (You can read our latest analysis of the adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccines here)
The letter signed by 92 respected doctors also read – “Do not rush to vaccinate children as long as the full picture is not clear. Coronavirus disease does not endanger children, and the first rule in medicine is ‘first do not harm’. The full picture is expected in many months, and possibly years. Moreover, one must wait for such documentation not only from Israeli data but from global data. In this context it is worthy to add that ‘black box warnings’ – warnings about severe or life-threatening side effects – accumulate months and years after drug approval, due to the fact that severe but rare toxins appear, naturally, only over time.”
Against the background of estimates of a third dose that adults will be required to receive, they wrote that “we believe it is not appropriate to impose the inconvenience of vaccination on the paediatric population, where coronavirus is not dangerous, especially at this stage” when the vaccine’s “efficiency in the long run is not at all clear.
“Paediatrics in Israel is one of the best in the world, and paediatric intensive care – above all. It is extremely rare for a child to die of a viral disease, and this can happen, unfortunately, as a result of various types of viruses. We do not think it is right to manage private life and public health policy out of an ongoing fear of a viral illness that is very rarely liable to harm our children’s lives.
“In view of the fact that the vaccination of the vulnerable population reduces hospitalizations and mortality from Covid – we believe that the negative effects of the virus will be much smaller when the majority of the at-risk population is vaccinated, as begins to appear to be the case in the country, and this without the need to vaccinate children,” they explained.
“We believe that our children should be allowed to return to the routine of their blessed lives immediately, and should not be vaccinated against Covid-19,” the doctors concluded the joint letter. “Asymptomatic children’s tests, which have no clinical significance but cause widespread indirect damage, and the mass isolation cycles in education frameworks, should be stopped immediately. It should be emphasized to the public that even vaccinated people can be infected and infect, and that the same rules of conduct apply to everyone without connection to vaccination status. We must stop pointing the finger of blame at the unvaccinated, and we must stop violating the rights of the individual. We must immediately stop all forms of exclusion and separation between people in the public sphere.”
More and more doctors are speaking out against the official narrative in relation to Covid-19 and the experimental vaccines, the question is – will the authorities listen?
Long time ago I spent a lot of time with a girl that had Polio as a child.
She had not been vaccinated.
The Polio vaccination was fully tested before it was allowed onto the market.
This deadly SAES-CoV-2 shot was ILLEGALLY granted a EUA, when "safe" medications were available, and this shot was not fully tested for safety or proven to work.
Long time ago I spent a lot of time with a girl that had Polio as a child.
She had not been vaccinated.
The Polio vaccination was fully tested before it was allowed onto the market.
This deadly SAES-CoV-2 shot was ILLEGALLY granted a EUA, when "safe" medications were available, and this shot was not fully tested for safety or proven to work.
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The first successful demonstration of a polio vaccine was by Hilary Koprowski in 1950, with a live attenuated virus which people drank.[8] The vaccine was not approved for use in the United States, but was used successfully elsewhere.[8] An inactivated polio vaccine, developed a few years later by Jonas Salk, came into use in 1955.[2][9] A different, oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961.[2][10
Let's not account for the advancements in science and technology from over 70 years ago until now, OK?
Long time ago I spent a lot of time with a girl that had Polio as a child.
She had not been vaccinated.
The Polio vaccination was fully tested before it was allowed onto the market.
This deadly SAES-CoV-2 shot was ILLEGALLY granted a EUA, when "safe" medications were available, and this shot was not fully tested for safety or proven to work.
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The first successful demonstration of a polio vaccine was by Hilary Koprowski in 1950, with a live attenuated virus which people drank.[8] The vaccine was not approved for use in the United States, but was used successfully elsewhere.[8] An inactivated polio vaccine, developed a few years later by Jonas Salk, came into use in 1955.[2][9] A different, oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961.[2][10
Let's not account for the advancements in science and technology from over 70 years ago until now, OK?
Hey homer, I already know all about Salk and Sabin, and the Polio vaccine. I explicitly pointed out the dangers in the original Polio vaccine, and how they stopped a major die-off from happening because it was a non-sterilizing shot, just like these CV19 shots are non-sterilizing, and you don’t use non-sterilizing shots during an active virus in the population.
What you fail to realize is even with the past 70 years of advancement in science and technology, the Synthetic Gene Therapy (SGA) (mRNA technology) has failed in every single attempt to produce a successful Corona virus family shot. It killed the animals when ADE showed its ugly face. Oh, and by the way, I don’t need to google / copy / paste on the subject at hand like you do.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
I told you people a few days ago the worst thing you can do is administer a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, for the very reason it can create viral evasion from new mutations of the virus that become resistant to the shots being given. It is caused from non-matching antibodies, and for that reason you DO NOT use it while a virus is circulating.
I also backed it up with the example in past history where it almost accidently happened with the Polio vaccine. The original scientist of the Polio vaccine, Salk, did not understand the above. Thankfully, another scientist, Sabin, did and corrected it or they would have created what we are now facing, a global die-off we can’t stop.
I suggest you read the title of YOUR own thread. It is about a biological process that can be used in many different ways. Your'e claiming it is a design failure. Foolish again.
The title of the thread is SPECIFIC to the Corona virus, thus the reason for the "-2" and the (CV-19).
You are a complete fool, an illiterate fool at that, to attempt to state the title covers "many different ways".
You have obfuscated, lied, and used false negatives, just like all mentally deranged communists do when they debate, and have their azzes handed to them.
Go run along commie. You lost the debate many posts back with your lying.
It's your opinion, but I didn't have to call people names to make a point. You lost the debate long ago. 389 million an counting.......
And like the good little communist that you are, you ignore the facts when they are placed at your feet, proving you to be a liar. Nothing new there.
And when you don't get your way, it's communist. How is a political theory got anything to do with a vaccine. More foolish.
Communist theory often leads to millions of deaths. I guess we who didn't get the shots will have to put the rest of you out of your misery.
So being vaccinated with something that is not a true vaccine is not bad in your opinion? Why would you want to take an experimental vaccine anyway. Seems pretty reckless.
Long time ago I spent a lot of time with a girl that had Polio as a child.
She had not been vaccinated.
The Polio vaccination was fully tested before it was allowed onto the market.
This deadly SAES-CoV-2 shot was ILLEGALLY granted a EUA, when "safe" medications were available, and this shot was not fully tested for safety or proven to work.
Those effective treatments were way too inexpensive.
You're still a pussy that talked shiit, then ran like a beotch when offered the chance to back it up.
Wrong sport, you guys got really quite after I dropped the facts on you, to prove you were clueless, and showed how Jack was driving 340 yard drives, with a persimmon wooded driver.
Take your happy azz elsewhere. You obviously don't have a clue about this topic either.
And it's sad how a 50+ year old man on the internet thinks someone has to "prove" something to them, when challenged.
I use to walk on a course cold and could shoot scratch., and hit a long ball. Don't be jealous because you never reached that pinnacle, and can barely dribble out a 250 yard drive.
Ok, let's try it again:
I will bet you $1,000 that you can't hit one drive out of three a measured 300+ yards (edit: in the fairway)on a flat hole with less than 10mph of wind.
I'll come down to Texas for it.
Well that's a bet! When all these vaxers start the Zombie walk are you going to use your golf clubs on em?
Long time ago I spent a lot of time with a girl that had Polio as a child.
She had not been vaccinated.
The Polio vaccination was fully tested before it was allowed onto the market.
This deadly SAES-CoV-2 shot was ILLEGALLY granted a EUA, when "safe" medications were available, and this shot was not fully tested for safety or proven to work.
Those effective treatments were way too inexpensive.
Genocide is much more profitable for the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex.
The Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex went to the USSC twice, and had the gall to state the Sherman Anti-trust Act did not apply to them, and they have a right to their illegal monopoly to bankrupt every client, basically.
They lost both times, but the law is still not enforced to this day, and the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex monopoly is being allowed to freely bankrupt the country. 20% of the budget goes to medicare costs, when in the past it was only 4% of budget, and we could afford that.
Three must watch videos that expose the SARS-CoV-2 virus (Covid-19) “fraud”.
Dr. Ryan Cole is the CEO and Medical Director of Cole Diagnostics, one of the largest independent labs in the State of Idaho. Dr. Cole is a Mayo Clinic trained Board Certified Pathologist. He is Board Certified in anatomic and clinical pathology. He has expertise in immunology and virology and also has subspecialty expertise in skin pathology. He has seen over 350,000 patients in his career, and has done over 100,000 Covid tests in the past year. Dr Cole talks about the science and data relating to public health measures that we may have been missing, and what treatments should be available to everybody. https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
“Panda started off as a conversation, really. A group of four friends, professionals – an economist, a doctor, a lawyer and a little actuary. What we shared was an observation that the data and the facts – the reality – of Coronavirus was far away from what the media and public health institutions were presenting to the world. We saw in that problem the seeds of a great tragedy.
After some months, we realized that our South African efforts needed to internationalize. This was not a local story and it was not only about the science. Our advisory board now includes some of the leading lights in infectious diseases and epidemiology. The working team of PANDA now spans the globe and includes a great many scientists – most of whom have to be members of PANDA in a cryptic fashion.
That’s how bad the censorship in this world has become. We have believed from the get go that it was wrong, on a number of levels, to close society down and that it has always been time to reopen society. We also believe that the truth only prevails if plans are taken to bring it to light. Our world is gripped by fear and that fear is very much the product of a false narrative.” https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2021/03/30/covid-19-lockdown-panda
Kinda funny but you would have to be a nut to think the globalists want to act in your best interest, And big pharma Bill Gates is neck deep in this. Do you trust him?
Here, let me show how crazy I am, and how much "I" know, and have known for months.
ALL of the gene altering shots expose everyone around the world who takes them to a BIOWEAPON ATTACK from an enemy who decides to develop one: CHINA, N. KOREA, RUSSIA, IRAN, et al.
I've known this for MONTHS, but didn't waste my time to post about it.
I even wrote an article to post here to warn you people, but decided not to post it, because I didn't want to waste my time educating you idiots who love cyberstalking me, like you are doing here again.
The Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) shots creates the LAST "ELEMENT" BIOWEAPON engineers needed to be successful in creating a deadly virus they could release into the world, without the virus coming back and killing their population, being their population will not have taken the shot that puts that "LAST ELEMENT", a NON-MATCHING antibody, created from the shots, into their bodies.
When they design the BIOWEAPON, they will design it to locate that NON-MATCHING antibody created in the bodies, and it will create an ADE and uncontrollable cytokine storm, and kill the victim.
The BIOWEAPON engineers have never been successful, because all they had was "matching antibodies" that everyone acquires from a virus, so if they released it, it would kill them also.
Now they have the last "element" needed, because stupid people do stupid.
And if you don't think China or others are not working on developing a BIOWEAPON to use against us now, then you are an idiot. There's a very good chance they already have one, and are just waiting for a larger percentage of the population to get the shots before they kill us or blackmail us.
China released the SEQUENCING of the virus to the world, so they have the exact information necessary needed, the design of these gene shots. Sucks to be you who have taken them.
Oh, and guess what, China isn't giving a Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) shot to their people. HMM, I wonder why. They are using a vaccine designed like all other vaccines from the past that are designed from a dead virus or attenuated that create "MATCHING ANTIBODIES".
AND, all of the above is supported with hard scientific data.
Video of German scientist PROVING blood clots are created from ALL Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) designed shots, and will kill many.
He also discusses the high probability for ADE killing many when exposed to SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) again "after taking the shot". This is what KILLED the animals in all trial attempts previously, and why ZERO shots have never been successful for a Corona family virus. This is what is killing people now with these reactions, ADE.
Also, the Infectious Disease Society of America endorses RT-PCR as the diagnostic standard, but I'm sure those infectious disease docs don't have access to the kind of high quality "research" that you do....
He gets it from The Church of What's Happening Now.
Also, the Infectious Disease Society of America endorses RT-PCR as the diagnostic standard, but I'm sure those infectious disease docs don't have access to the kind of high quality "research" that you do....
He gets it from The Church of What's Happening Now.
That's boreing. I'm going with the jackrabbit and elk kill photos. At least until he is tagged as a commie.
JUST RELEASED TODAY. THE WHOLE WORLD IS ASKING FOR THE STOPPAGE.
" "An Urgent Warning to the World"
Two of the experimental gene-based injections have been paused or halted, and reports of clotting, stroke, anaphylaxis, miscarriage, Bell's Palsy, and a host of other neurologic and auto-immune disorders plague the others. And those are just the short-term risks.
Has all humanity been enrolled in a vast and unimaginably dangerous phase-three clinical trial without our informed consent? All for a disease that for the overwhelming majority of us is, officially, 99.7% or better survivable... if we even get it?
Dr. Mike Yeadon, formerly a Vice President and Chief Science Officer at Pfizer, believes the big experiment is well under way, and that the hypothesis it seeks to prove is as bold as it is terrible.
A cogent and clear thinker who has been attacked in proportion to his qualifications, Dr. Yeadon, at great personal risk, issues a chilling warning, not just about the grave dangers surrounding the injections, but about the looming threat of digital health "passports" that will take inexorable control over every aspect of our lives.
Has all humanity been enrolled in a vast and unimaginably dangerous phase-three clinical trial without our informed consent?
No.
The sheep getting these have to sign a waiver that they've read the pamphlet full of the risks, and understand that it is EUA and they cannot, by law, be compelled to get the vaccine.
Yeah it's been going on for years. I've had the standard run of vaccinations as a child (measles, mumps etc) as well as Hep A and B, and the annual flu jab. No wonder I'm so screwed up - I guess one day it's going to kill me, unless I die of something else first
The Israeli People Committee’s April Report on the Lethal Impact of Vaccinations
[]QUOTE[] The Israeli People Committee (IPC), a civilian body made of leading Israeli health experts, has published its April report into the Pfizer vaccine's side effects. The findings are catastrophic on every possible level.
Their verdict is that "there has never been a vaccine that has harmed as many people." The report is long and detailed. I will outline just some of the most devastating findings presented in the report.
"We received 288 death reports in proximity to vaccination (90% up to 10 days after the vaccination), 64% of those were men." Yet the report states, "according to data provided by the Ministry of Health, only 45 deaths in Israel were vaccine related." If the numbers above are sincere then Israel, which claimed to conduct a world experiment, failed to genuinely report on its experiment's results. We often hear about blood clots caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine. For instance, we learned this morning about 300 cases of blood clots in of Europe. However, if the IPC's findings are genuine, then in Israel alone the Pfizer vaccine may be associated with more deaths than AstraZeneca's in the whole of Europe.
"According to Central Bureau of Statistics data during January-February 2021, at the peak of the Israeli mass vaccination campaign, there was a 22% increase in overall mortality in Israel compared with the previous year. In fact, January-February 2021 have been the deadliest months in the last decade, with the highest overall mortality rates compared to corresponding months in the last 10 years."
The IPC finds that "amongst the 20-29 age group the increase in overall mortality has been most dramatic. In this age group, we detect an increase of 32% in overall mortality in comparison with previous year."
"Statistical analysis of information from the Central Bureau of Statistics, combined with information from the Ministry of Health, leads to the conclusion that the mortality rate amongst the vaccinated is estimated at about 1:5000 (1:13000 at ages 20-49, 1:6000 at ages 50-69, 1:1600 at ages 70+). According to this estimate, it is possible to estimate the number of deaths in Israel in proximity of the vaccine, as of today, at about 1000-1100 people."
Again, if this statistical analysis is correct then the numbers reported by the Israeli health authorities are misleading by more than 22-fold.
Those who follow my writing are aware of my work on the undeniable correlation between vaccination, Covid-19 cases, deaths and the spread of mutant strains. The IPC confirms my observation, providing more crucial information regarding age groups. "There is a high correlation between the number of people vaccinated per day and the number of deaths per day, in the range of up to 10 days, in all age groups. Ages 20-49 -- a range of 9 days from the date of vaccination to mortality, ages 50-69 -- 5 days from the date of vaccination to mortality, ages 70 and up -- 3 days from the date of vaccination to mortality."
The IPC also reveals that the "the risk of mortality after the second vaccine is higher than the risk of mortality after the first vaccine."
But death isn't the only risk to do with vaccination. The IPC reveals that "as of the date of publication of the report, 2066 reports of side effects have accumulated in the Civil Investigation Committee and the data continue to come in. These reports indicate damage to almost every system in the human body. ...Our analysis found a relatively high rate of heart-related injuries, 26% of all cardiac events occurred in young people up to the age of 40, with the most common diagnosis in these cases being Myositis or Pericarditis. Also, a high rate of massive vaginal bleeding, neurological damage, and damage to the skeletal and skin systems has been observed. It should be noted that a significant number of reports of side effects are related, directly or indirectly, to Hypercoagulability (infarction), Myocardial infarction, stroke, miscarriages, impaired blood flow to the limbs, pulmonary embolism."
In Israel, the government is desperate to vaccinate children. The IPC stresses that such a move can be disastrous. "In light of the extent and severity of side effects, we would like to express the committee's position that vaccinating children may also lead to side effects in them, as observed in adults, including the death of completely healthy children. Since the coronavirus does not endanger children at all, the committee believes that the Israeli government's intention to vaccinate the children endangers their lives, health and their future development."
The IPC stresses that "there has never been a vaccine that has affected so many people! The American VAERS system presents 2204 mortality reports of vaccinated people in the United States in the first quarter of 2021, a figure that reflects an increase of thousands of percent from the annual average, which stood at 108 reports per year."
I should mention that there has been very little coverage of the IPC's work in the Israeli press. Those health experts are engaged in brave work, knowing that their license to work in the medical profession and livelihoods are at severe risk.[][quote[]
[]quote[] It's interesting to notice that this "rare" case of blood clotting is becoming less rare as time goes on. When the news first broke it was widely claimed to be occurring at the rate of one in a million. Now we're looking at 1 every 100,000 to 250,000 injections. One in a million has become 4-10 times in a million. Which of course makes an average of 7 cases in a million injections. 7 times more then one in a million. []quote[]
Since you bring up Dr. Tenpenny, here's one you might enjoy with Dr. Lee Merritt. I thought it was worthwhile as I did yours. She's on top of the latest on the vaxes.
Medical Industry Has Now Been Weaponized
OK, you already posted another Dr. T. Interview. I hope there's other's in this thread who watch it.
Dr. David Martin reveals that Moderna concealed the evidence that their vaccine was ineffective by waiting 14 days to perform a confirmatory RT-PCR test on the test subjects. The Moderna study shows that within 7 days of both the first and the second vaccinations, the group receiving the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines displayed greater systemic symptoms of COVID-19 than did the control group. But Moderna ignored those systemic COVID-19 symptoms by reporting them not as symptoms of COVID-19 caused by the vaccine but systemic adverse reactions to the vaccine. Attached below is the study that was presented to the FDA by Moderna to obtain an Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA for the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccination. []QUOTE[]
I've told you all along these shots were illegal based on the law the EUA's were illegally signed, being two safe drugs were available to treat Covid-V19. If safe drugs are available to treat a sickness, a shot has to be run through the legal protocols to prove safety and success, and it is illegal to grant a EUA otherwise.
Now this comes out, that even further cements the numerous illegalities committed in this fraud to murder millions.
Has all humanity been enrolled in a vast and unimaginably dangerous phase-three clinical trial without our informed consent?
No.
The sheep getting these have to sign a waiver that they've read the pamphlet full of the risks, and understand that it is EUA and they cannot, by law, be compelled to get the vaccine.
About 99+% still get it.
First, that in the above posting under me was from the description from the video, not me. I forgot to put quotes at the beginning, which was corrected.
Further, the EUA's have been illegal from the minute they were signed, being two medications, with safe records, were available to treat CV19. That being said, that forces the shots to proceed through the legal protocols all vaccines must pass through to prove out safety and that they actually work.
With the EUA's being illegal, they legally fall under Human Experimentation, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code, which makes the shots in violation of International Law.
I believe breaking International law is illegal, but who's really concerned about that when the whole world is one big Banana Republic now with zero rule of law, and human lives obviously have zero value to the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex and I'm "proving" that fact here tonight with reports from all over the world.
Has all humanity been enrolled in a vast and unimaginably dangerous phase-three clinical trial without our informed consent?
No.
The sheep getting these have to sign a waiver that they've read the pamphlet full of the risks, and understand that it is EUA and they cannot, by law, be compelled to get the vaccine.
About 99+% still get it.
First, that in the above posting under me was from the description from the video, not me. I forgot to put quotes at the beginning, which was corrected.
Further, the EUA's have been illegal from the minute they were signed, being two medications, with safe records, were available to treat CV19. That being said, that forces the shots to proceed through the legal protocols all vaccines must pass through to prove out safety and that they actually work.
With the EUA's being illegal, they legally fall under Human Experimentation, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code, which makes the shots in violation of International Law.
I believe breaking International law is illegal, but who's really concerned about that when the whole world is one big Banana Republic now with zero rule of law, and human lives obviously have zero value to the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex and I'm "proving" that fact here tonight with reports from all over the world.
Are you a lawyer that specializes in this stuff, or are you regurgitating something you watched or read on the internet? You know, like the 98% thing you started a thread about, but didn't actually understand......
Y/W, hopefully the news coming out from respected sources across the world will save people from this Genocide.
It is all straight up fraud. It's a strain of flu from the Corona family of viruses, nothing more, and has a 99.85% survival rate if given medication at onset, even for people with comorbidities up into their 70 and 80's.
First, that in the above posting under me was from the description from the video, not me. I forgot to put quotes at the beginning, which was corrected.
Further, the EUA's have been illegal from the minute they were signed, being two medications, with safe records, were available to treat CV19. That being said, that forces the shots to proceed through the legal protocols all vaccines must pass through to prove out safety and that they actually work.
With the EUA's being illegal, they legally fall under Human Experimentation, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code, which makes the shots in violation of International Law.
I believe breaking International law is illegal, but who's really concerned about that when the whole world is one big Banana Republic now with zero rule of law, and human lives obviously have zero value to the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex and I'm "proving" that fact here tonight with reports from all over the world.
Are you a lawyer that specializes in this stuff, or are you regurgitating something you watched or read on the internet? You know, like the 98% thing you started a thread about, but didn't actually understand......
I specifically provided you with the black letter of law to prove what I said is 100% correct. If you want to continue your trolling of me, go elsewhere, you are not wanted here. You have proven in this thread you have zero knowledge concerning these deadly shots.
Don’t get the shot, enjoy the spoils of having the world to yourself, then shut up.
Although it’s amazing that the expert on ‘Rona is here on the ‘fire.
The death of the majority of the White population on the planet would leave those who didn't get the vaccine in a pretty bad situation, thus we hope as few as possible accept the poison.
Ringman, I agree with your statement, but you only got halfway there. I fixed it for you, below.
Originally Posted by Ringman
We have no lab or field experience so we parrot those with experience, and those who agree with our position. The rest, we ignore or attempt to discredit.
ETA: Posting again with new link to video. I told you these commies at youtube would pull it down to hide the truth. They'll probably pull this one too.
BREAKING: COVERUP EXPOSED - JUST HIT THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
THEY WILL REMOVE THIS ONE SOON, I GUARANTEE YOU. WATCH IT NOW
This is the hard evidence that will bring Nuremberg Trials against these Nazis.
The very FIRST thing that should be addressed is the 2020 Presidential Election Fraud. The GOOK FLU vaccine was voluntary. I don't give a schidt if your employer requires it or not.
“Vaccinate yourself to protect yourself, your loved ones, friends and also patients. And to mention quickly I have info for anti-vaxxers and anti-coviders if you want to contact Bill Gates you can do this through me. I can also provide for you from my organism the 5G network. I am sorry I hadn’t spoke for a bit but I was just getting autism.”
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It’s sad to say, but some people just have to learn the hard way. A polish doctor died just days after taking the experimental COVID injection. The cause of death, we are told, was heart failure.
He DIED from the "blood clots" being created from the shots is what he actually died from.
Video of doctor taking the shot, in link above
Darwin Award.........
He shows you his DEATH CERTIFICATE at the end of the 26 second video.
“Vaccinate yourself to protect yourself, your loved ones, friends and also patients. And to mention quickly I have info for anti-vaxxers and anti-coviders if you want to contact Bill Gates you can do this through me. I can also provide for you from my organism the 5G network. I am sorry I hadn’t spoke for a bit but I was just getting autism.”
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It’s sad to say, but some people just have to learn the hard way. A polish doctor died just days after taking the experimental COVID injection. The cause of death, we are told, was heart failure.
He DIED from the "blood clots" being created from the shots is what he actually died from.
ElkBallz........... Do the forum and yourself a favor to boost your ego.
Go take a Covid shot of your choice and if you die within 10 days, everyone here will think that you are the smartest dude who ever walked the face of the earth. Isn't being smarter than anyone else here your primary goal here?
Your constant drivel posts here do nothing to validate that. Prove us all wrong, please.........
Naturally I'm not wishing harm on anyone, including you, and I truly don't want you to do something that you obviously don't want to do,, But FCS, shut the phoucke up with your multiple unchallenged posts one after another, you moron.......
DR MIKE YEADON has described how creating lethal pathogens that can kill at different points in time is “easy” and says this is being used for “mass global extermination”. He fears vaccine passports is the next step in the plan and is now looking to leave the UK.
Dr Yeadon said: "I know enough about biotechnology to know that you can easily create, shall we say, pathogens, which don't look like they're related to what you've done. And what's even more horrifying is you can separate them in time, so an injection which will later make you ill or kill you can be separated by design in time from that event. So you might die a year later of liver cancer or something and you wouldn't connect that. And if you can imagine making a smorgasbord of different pathogens so not everybody is going to die of the same thing, you literally could do away with big slices of the population if you want. And we could all be running around like headless chickens. This is an attempt on global depopulation.
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"As soon as they started talking about it [new variants] I went to look at the source material and found that the variants most different from the Wuhan sequence are still 99.7 per cent identical," said Dr Yeadon. "And I can assure you that there is zero -- not just implausible, but zero -- chance something that would escape the immunity of someone who was immune from natural infection or vaccinated. It's absolutely impossible, no matter what they tell you."
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JUST RELEASED TODAY. THE WHOLE WORLD IS ASKING FOR THE STOPPAGE.
" "An Urgent Warning to the World"
Two of the experimental gene-based injections have been paused or halted, and reports of clotting, stroke, anaphylaxis, miscarriage, Bell's Palsy, and a host of other neurologic and auto-immune disorders plague the others. And those are just the short-term risks.
Has all humanity been enrolled in a vast and unimaginably dangerous phase-three clinical trial without our informed consent? All for a disease that for the overwhelming majority of us is, officially, 99.7% or better survivable... if we even get it?
Dr. Mike Yeadon, formerly a Vice President and Chief Science Officer at Pfizer, believes the big experiment is well under way, and that the hypothesis it seeks to prove is as bold as it is terrible.
A cogent and clear thinker who has been attacked in proportion to his qualifications, Dr. Yeadon, at great personal risk, issues a chilling warning, not just about the grave dangers surrounding the injections, but about the looming threat of digital health "passports" that will take inexorable control over every aspect of our lives.
[]quote[] Because under thirty year olds must be super prone to inflamed hearts, right? I don't think so! How about 19 year olds?- 19 year old hospitalized with heart inflammation after pfizer vaccine A 19-year-old was hospitalized with myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – five days after receiving his second dose of the coronavirus vaccine, Terem emergency medical clinic reported Monday.
“The fact that the symptoms started immediately after the vaccination raises the suspicion that an immunological reaction may have caused the inflammation,” said Dr. Abdulhadi
DarkHorse Podcast with Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche & Bret Weinstein
Noted parts:
Beginning covers the immune system. 25:00 +/- Vanden Bossche calls to stop the administering of the shots. 41:00 +/- Future illnesses because the vaccine is so narrowly focused on the spike protein. 53:00 +/- the vaccine generates evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate.
Around the end discussion covers the double whammy you get: 1) You take the shot, and then your body produces the antibody that then attaches to the spike protein, not the “whole” virus. 2) Afterwards, if you then get Covid-19, the antibody will attach to the spike protein, but the bad is, it tells your immune system to stand down, and is harder to enter your cells. Also, it communicates to your T-cell immune system that all is OK, and it doesn’t go attack the virus. So, normally your innate immune system that would kill the virus if you’re healthy won’t be able to do its job. Further is the point concerning more virulent strains mutating because of the flawed design of the shot under these circumstances.
So, not only will your immune system not attack the virus after taking the shot, you become a host for deadlier strains that become resistant to medicine, and spread them.
Ordinarily, your body would kill the virus, like it attacks all other virus with no need for the shot.
The mRNA manufactures of shots “refuse” to specifically tell how you get T-Cell immunity from their shots, but they say you do. People becoming sick a second time proves you don’t.
"Our findings show that the SARS-CoV2 spike protein causes lung injury even without the presence of intact virus," said Pavel Solopov, Ph.D., DVM, research assistant professor at the Frank Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics at Old Dominion University. "This previously unknown mechanism could cause symptoms before substantial viral replication occurs."
You people have now been educated to the fact that whoever told you these shots are safe have thoroughly been disproved, and should never be sought out for medical advice ever again in your lifetime.
They are stupid imbeciles.
The amount of scientific evidence, coming in from sources around the globe daily, steadily proving the gene therapy shots are deadly, leaving many disabled for life, and unknown future illnesses yet to expose their faces is proving this was and is a planned extermination of human life around the world.
ElkBallz........... Do the forum and yourself a favor to boost your ego.
Go take a Covid shot of your choice and if you die within 10 days, everyone here will think that you are the smartest dude who ever walked the face of the earth. Isn't being smarter than anyone else here your primary goal here?
I've known a few who were pretty impressed with themselves, but this Elksucker phucque takes the cake. He takes the whole freekin bakery for that matter..
3. Can the unvaccinated get sick from contact with the vaccinated?
The vaccine produces many trillions of particles of spike proteins in the recipient. Patients who are vaccinated can shed some of these (spike protein) particles to close contacts. The particles have the ability to create inflammation and disease in these contacts. In other words, the spike proteins are pathogenic (“disease causing”) just like the full virus. What is most worrisome is that a person’s body is being suddenly flooded with 13 trillion of these particles and the spike proteins bind more tightly than the fully intact virus. Because of the biomimicry (similarity) on the spike, shedding appears to be causing wide variety of autoimmune disease (where the body attacks its own tissue) in some persons. Worldwide cases of pericarditis, shingles, pneumonia, blood clots in the extremities and brain, Bell’s Palsy, vaginal bleeding and miscarriages have been reported in persons who are near persons who have been vaccinated. In addition, we know the spike proteins can cross the blood brain barrier, unlike traditional vaccines.
Conclusion
The continued rollout of COVID-19 vaccines moves along without due consideration of patient side effects and post-inoculation complications. AFLDS calls on state and federal health regulators to release more adverse-event-related data and conduct additional follow-up studies before the FDA fully licenses any of the vaccines currently administered under emergency use authorization. The growing body of evidence is too compelling to ignore.
Development of new vaccine technology has been plagued with problems in the past. The current RNA based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients. The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations. In the current analysis a total of sixteen UG tandem repeats (ΨGΨG) were identified and additional UG (ΨG) rich sequences were identified. Two GGΨA sequences were found. Potential G Quadruplex sequences are possibly present but a more sophisticated computer program is needed to verify these. Furthermore, the spike protein, created by the translation of the vaccine RNA, binds angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), a zinc containing enzyme. This interaction has the potential to increase intracellular zinc. Zinc ions have been shown to cause the transformation of TDP-43 to its pathologic prion configuration. The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases.
The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit.
* Women of childbearing age have virtually no risk of dying from COVID-19, their fatality risk being a mere 0.01%, so they are unlikely to reap any significant benefit from a COVID-19 vaccine, which does not prevent you from contracting and spreading SARS-CoV-2
* As of April 1, 2021, VAERS had received 56,869 reports of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, including 110 reports of miscarriage or premature birth among pregnant women. In all, 379 pregnant women reported some sort of adverse event
* Side effects hinting at reproductive side effects are being reported, such as heavier than normal menstrual flow, uterine bleeding or restarting their period for the first time in years
* Doctors at Cleveland University Hospital system are seeing swollen lymph nodes -- one sign of breast cancer -- in the mammograms of women who have had a COVID vaccine, and typically on the side where the vaccine was given
* A vaccination safety monitoring program led by the CDC called V-Safe currently has 2,000 pregnant patients enrolled, but fewer than 300 had completed their pregnancies by the end of March 2021, so safety data is still extremely limited
By injecting pregnant women with novel COVID-19 mRNA gene technologies, the medical establishment has thrown away one of the most fundamental safety edicts of medicine, which is that you do not experiment on pregnant women.
BIO: Dr. Cum Laude in biology from the University of Granada, ex-Professor at the Autonomous University of Madrid, scientific collaborator for the EC, Basque Government, CSIC and National Heritage, participant in several international congresses such as the World Congress on Amber Inclusions and the International Congress of Enthomology. Molino Olmedo has to his credit about 50 scientific publications in impact journals such as Cretaceus Research and his articles have been cited by organisations such as FAO and the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), among others.
Summarising, I conclude from the following that the RNA vaccine currently proposed by laboratories is not only unsafe but may actually interact with the different elements of the human genome, causing unpredictable reactions in the short, medium or long term.
In view of this, it is natural that the safety of this novel vaccine technique inspires little credibility for me. It is not yet well-studied nor well-tested, no matter how much officialdom claims to the contrary.
In consideration of the side effects of diverse drugs, vaccines and antiretrovirals that were supposedly safe, the safety of this vaccine has low credibility.
Were this not a screwy situation, this rollout would have been halted long ago, already, just based on the unacceptably high rate of extreme side effects, let alone this shedding issue (even worse). The fact that this has not happened is evidence of nefarious intentions behind the rollout.
In the new study, the researchers created a pseudovirus that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal modelproving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.
The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.
Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.
The Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) (mRNA) shots send instructions to make “just” the “spike protein”……OOPS
So, when you take the shot your body makes the spike proteins “only” that damage your vascular system “all throughout your body” that will cause strokes, heart attacks, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, et al.
33 Year old Mississippi Pilot loses his Pilot’s license after taking Pfizer shot, and tens of thousands getting permanent eye damage from the deadly Covid-19 shots.
19,916 ‘eye disorders’ including blindness following COVID vaccine reported in Europe More than 10,000 reports of eye disorders after COVID shots in the U.K. alone
I can confirm the eye problems. My wife took the Moderna vaccine and within a few days of the second shot, she developed a severe rash over both eyes that was sort of a cross between pinks eye and severe psoriasis. They were all scaly and weepy. Luckily, it mostly cleared up with some steroids and a little time.
Iran cleric: People who are vaccinated for COVID have ‘become homosexuals
An Iranian regime cleric in the holy city of Qom on Tuesday issued a homophobic rant against people vaccinated for COVID-19, claiming that they become gay after receiving the vaccine. Ayatollah Abbas Tabrizian wrote on his Telegram social-media platform: “Don’t go near those who have had the COVID vaccine. They have become homosexuals.”
What do you folks have against someone posting on this subject to the point you feel the need to bury it with off topic material? If you're not interested in it, or think it's foolish, there's no one trying to force you to click on it.
What do you folks have against someone posting on this subject to the point you feel the need to bury it with off topic material? If you're not interested in it, or think it's foolish, there's no one trying to force you to click on it.
I agree. I have a lot of respect for those that are spamming this. But I think this needs to be read.
What do you folks have against someone posting on this subject to the point you feel the need to bury it with off topic material? If you're not interested in it, or think it's foolish, there's no one trying to force you to click on it.
Insecure, ignorant people love to ridicule others that don’t conform with their views. Proof? Watch MSM for an entire evening. Also, “Small minds are easily amused”; so there’s that factor
97% of all vaccine deaths for the first four months of this year, 2021, are from the Covid-19 shots.
There are 34 deaths from all other vaccines combined.
97% of deaths are from the Covid-19 shot alone, 3,305.
Let that sink in.......Those numbers come from the "government's" numbers, VAERS reporting site.
If your numbers are as correct as you think they are: 3,305 vaccine deaths out of 100,000,000 vaccinated or 234,000,000 doses given.
Equals .0033% chance of a fatality from the vaccine.
What are you guys claiming is the risk of dying from Covid?
ETA: Oh I see it above in your earlier post. You claim Covid has a 99.7% chance of survival.
The vax has a 99.9967% chance of survival. I like my odds with the vax. The numbers say the odds of survival are 100 times better with the vax than catching the disease.
Now those are odds I can gamble with. I like 100 to 1 in my favor.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) includes the cardiovascular complications in addition to respiratory disease. SARS-CoV-2 infection impairs endothelial function and induces vascular inflammation, leading to endotheliitis. SARS-CoV-2 infection relies on the binding of Spike glycoprotein (S protein) to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) in the host cells. We show here that S protein alone can damage vascular endothelial cells (ECs) in vitro and in vivo, manifested by impaired mitochondrial function, decreased ACE2 expression and eNOS activity, and increased glycolysis. The underlying mechanism involves S protein down regulation of AMPK and up regulation of MDM2, causing ACE2 destabilization. Thus, the S protein-exerted vascular endothelial damage via ACE2 down regulation overrides the decreased virus infectivity.
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Look at the date that study was posted. December 4, 2020. They knew from this study alone the shots were deadly before the first shot was ever administered.
For five months now, the government, medical system, media, have all known they are killing you in mass.
That is Genocide. That is what Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Mussolini did also.
You can include the US Government now as a member of that club of Tyrants who have mass murdered innocent citizens.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) includes the cardiovascular complications in addition to respiratory disease. SARS-CoV-2 infection impairs endothelial function and induces vascular inflammation, leading to endotheliitis. SARS-CoV-2 infection relies on the binding of Spike glycoprotein (S protein) to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) in the host cells. We show here that S protein alone can damage vascular endothelial cells (ECs) in vitro and in vivo, manifested by impaired mitochondrial function, decreased ACE2 expression and eNOS activity, and increased glycolysis. The underlying mechanism involves S protein down regulation of AMPK and up regulation of MDM2, causing ACE2 destabilization. Thus, the S protein-exerted vascular endothelial damage via ACE2 down regulation overrides the decreased virus infectivity.
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Look at the date that study was posted. December 4, 2020. They knew from this study alone the shots were deadly before the first shot was ever administered.
For five months now, the government, medical system, media, have all known they are killing you in mass.
That is Genocide. That is what Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Mussolini did also.
You can include the US Government now as a member of that club of Tyrants who have mass murdered innocent citizens.
.0033% fatality rate! It's almost like their genocide attempt backfired and actually prevented more deaths than it caused.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) includes the cardiovascular complications in addition to respiratory disease. SARS-CoV-2 infection impairs endothelial function and induces vascular inflammation, leading to endotheliitis. SARS-CoV-2 infection relies on the binding of Spike glycoprotein (S protein) to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) in the host cells. We show here that S protein alone can damage vascular endothelial cells (ECs) in vitro and in vivo, manifested by impaired mitochondrial function, decreased ACE2 expression and eNOS activity, and increased glycolysis. The underlying mechanism involves S protein down regulation of AMPK and up regulation of MDM2, causing ACE2 destabilization. Thus, the S protein-exerted vascular endothelial damage via ACE2 down regulation overrides the decreased virus infectivity.
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Look at the date that study was posted. December 4, 2020. They knew from this study alone the shots were deadly before the first shot was ever administered.
For five months now, the government, medical system, media, have all known they are killing you in mass.
That is Genocide. That is what Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Mussolini did also.
You can include the US Government now as a member of that club of Tyrants who have mass murdered innocent citizens.
.0033% fatality rate! It's almost like their genocide attempt backfired and actually prevented more deaths than it caused.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-Cov-2)-induced infection, the cause of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is characterized by unprecedented clinical pathologies. One of the most important pathologies, is hypercoagulation and microclots in the lungs of patients. Here we study the effect of isolated SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit as potential inflammagen sui generis. Using scanning electron and fluorescence microscopy as well as mass spectrometry, we investigate the potential of this inflammagen to interact with platelets and fibrin(ogen) directly to cause blood hypercoagulation. Using platelet poor plasma (PPP), we show that spike protein may interfere with blood flow. Mass spectrometry also showed that when spike protein S1 is added to healthy PPP, it results in structural changes to β and γ fibrin(ogen), complement 3, and prothrombin[/u]. These proteins were substantially resistant to trypsinization, in the [b]presence of spike protein S1. Here we suggest that, in part, the presence of spike protein in circulation may contribute to the hypercoagulation in COVID-19 positive patients and may cause substantial impairment of fibrinolysis. Such lytic impairment may result in the persistent large microclots we have noted here and previously in plasma samples of COVID-19 patients. This observation may have important clinical relevance in the treatment of hypercoagulability in COVID-19 patients.
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Look at the date that study was posted. March 8, 2021. Almost two months now, another study proves they have known the shots were deadly, and here the medical system continues marching the innocent citizens into the boxcars with lying propaganda they are safe and work to have them end in the showers dying.
97% of all vaccine deaths for the first four months of this year, 2021, are from the Covid-19 shots.
There are 34 deaths from all other vaccines combined.
97% of deaths are from the Covid-19 shot alone, 3,305.
Let that sink in.......Those numbers come from the "government's" numbers, VAERS reporting site.
If your numbers are as correct as you think they are: 3,305 vaccine deaths out of 100,000,000 vaccinated or 234,000,000 doses given.
Equals .0033% chance of a fatality from the vaccine.
What are you guys claiming is the risk of dying from Covid?
ETA: Oh I see it above in your earlier post. You claim Covid has a 99.7% chance of survival.
The vax has a 99.9967% chance of survival. I like my odds with the vax. The numbers say the odds of survival are 100 times better with the vax than catching the disease.
Now those are odds I can gamble with. I like 100 to 1 in my favor.
6 months to a year or so, the “vaccine” will have the “Kill & Mekillya Hates” effect on the sheeple that lined up for the “jab”. To those of you that have common sense: we won’t be insulted or ridiculed by them for too much longer. I take no pleasure in that; it will be catastrophic.
If you want the shot, get the shot. If you don't, don't. Either way, stfu
But that's the point. We've known for a long time that the powers that be were not going to permit the scenario you describe. They are already restricting the travel of those who choose not to take the shots. Expect the pressure to intensify, not subside.
And the logic doesn't support what they're doing, even assuming they mean well. If those who are "vaccinated" are protected, and everyone who wants to be "vaccinated" have been, why would they even care that some people make the decision not to get it? There's something very fishy about that alone.
I think this guy's slip was a Freudian one: Bitchute
If you want the shot, get the shot. If you don't, don't. Either way, stfu
But that's the point. We've known for a long time that the powers that be were not going to permit the scenario you describe. They are already restricting the travel of those who choose not to take the shots. Expect the pressure to intensify, not subside.
And the logic doesn't support what they're doing, even assuming they mean well. If those who are "vaccinated" are protected, and everyone who wants to be "vaccinated" have been, why would they even care that some people make the decision not to get it? There's something very fishy about that alone.
I think this guy's slip was a Freudian one: Bitchute
And many are just fine with these illegal restrictions. That's troubling.
97% of all vaccine deaths for the first four months of this year, 2021, are from the Covid-19 shots.
There are 34 deaths from all other vaccines combined.
97% of deaths are from the Covid-19 shot alone, 3,305.
Let that sink in.......Those numbers come from the "government's" numbers, VAERS reporting site.
If your numbers are as correct as you think they are: 3,305 vaccine deaths out of 100,000,000 vaccinated or 234,000,000 doses given.
Equals .0033% chance of a fatality from the vaccine.
What are you guys claiming is the risk of dying from Covid?
ETA: Oh I see it above in your earlier post. You claim Covid has a 99.7% chance of survival.
The vax has a 99.9967% chance of survival. I like my odds with the vax. The numbers say the odds of survival are 100 times better with the vax than catching the disease.
Now those are odds I can gamble with. I like 100 to 1 in my favor.
Yes, but you only have a 10% chance of catching Covid. Right now, there's what? About 50% chance you've had the vax?
If your numbers are as correct as you think they are: 3,305 vaccine deaths out of 100,000,000 vaccinated or 234,000,000 doses given. Equals .0033% chance of a fatality from the vaccine.
Vaccine adverse effects are usually calculated per dose, so this means 3305/234,000,000 = 0.000014% fatality rate (putative).
Keep in mind that "vaccine deaths" are recorded in much the same manner as COVID deaths, which is to say there is probably some fudging of the numbers, depending on the agenda of the person relating the tally.
The self-styled rocket scientists on this thread who do arithmetic and call it mathematics aren't worth taking the time to respond to for a lot of reasons, not the least of which because they have refused to grasp the simple fact from the outset that adverse outcomes from any vaccine are expected. Vaccines are always a calculated gamble of risks vs benefits. People take a risk any time they take a vaccine for any illness, and it's usually a very small risk for a potentially great gain. The preliminary trials showed an acceptable level of risk to benefit. So far, the clinical results are bearing that out. Only time will tell how great a benefit it will confer on the human population worldwide, but I'm betting it will be pretty large.
Using alarmist stories from antivax activist sources, as a lot of folks are doing both here and all over social media, does not constitute sharing of information. It is merely the mindless repitition of propaganda.
But as I said, it's pretty much pointless to argue with these folks. Their minds are made up. I'm enjoying the pics of hunting and shooting activities a lot, though.
I'm a county commissioner and serve as our local health board. In the last three weeks, the numbers of cases of over-65 Sars Cov-2 have plummeted and every hospitalization in the last three weeks have been unvaccinated people. Let me repeat that - Not one patient hospitalization in the last three weeks has been vaccinated. The data that I am seeing shows clearly that the vaccine works.
All that being said, I am against mandatory vaccinations, against vaccine passports, against any and all mask mandates and capacity limits for businesses and travel. Life is risk.
People take a risk any time they take a vaccine for any illness, and it's usually a very small risk for a potentially great gain.
In the case of Covid, what is the “great gain”? I have about a .02 percent chance or less of dying from it IF I catch it. Now maybe I’m just a dummy who can only do arithmetic, but I can’t really see any utility in taking a vaccine when measured against those really small chances of harm.
JoeBob, it's a relative risk, like anything else. Your chance of dying from CoV2 if you catch it is low, as you rightly point out. (But if you DO get hospitalized in an ICU and die, it's a slow and pretty sch!tty death.) And as I replied to Idaho Shooter above, your risk of dying from the vaccine is really, really low. The difference in relative risks of the two is quite substantial, which even an arithmetician can see, I'm sure.
When you were vaccinated as a kid against measles, mumps, and rubella, your chance of dying from one of those diseases was very small, but not zero. For vulnerable kids, like those with cerebral palsy, or leukemia, congenital heart disease, however, the risk of death from those disease was much, much higher. Your risk of dying from the vaccine was significantly smaller than anyone's risk of dying from the disease, which is why the public health system and your parents made the decision to go ahead with your vaccine as a kid.
The benefits of the MMR vaccine did not just accrue to you, however. By vaccinating 85%+ of the kid population we reduced the overall incidence of those diseases in the entire population, which in turn meant that. By getting YOU vaccinated, your parents (and the PH system) conferred a far greater level of protection for the vulnerable kids. As a consequence a lot of those kids got past their dire childhood diseases and grew up to become productive members of society.
I didn't get the Pfizer vaccine because I was afraid of getting CoV2. I got it because I know that if I get it, and you get it, and 75-85% of the population gets it, a lot of nice old grannies won't get it and die from it. See WyColoCowboy's post 2 up from here as I write this.
But if you persist in seeing this as a "what's in it for me" question, there's not much I can say to help you.
If you look at the COVID virus as a two-dimensional problem, you will be volunteering for a multidimensional problem. Make your decisions, take your chances.
So, vaccinated immunity is better than naturally acquired immunity? And the vaccines provide immunity not only from symptoms but limit the spread? I’ve not seen that. Mostly they are saying that vaccinated individuals can still acquire Covid and spread it.
]So, vaccinated immunity is better than naturally acquired immunity?
Don't be disingenuous.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And the vaccines provide immunity not only from symptoms but limit the spread? I’ve not seen that. Mostly they are saying that vaccinated individuals can still acquire Covid and spread it.
I'm not sure who "they" are, but if you say "they" are saying that, they sound pretty poorly informed. The literature is pretty clear that infections can occur in vaccinated persons, but at a significantly lower rate. The severity of illness infected persons with acute disease is much lower than in non-vaccinated control groups, and hospitalizations are very much reduced.
The assertion that asymptomatic persons can infect others has been made and repeated many times over the past year, mostly by politicians and politically motivated docs like Fauci and Brix, but there is little (in my view zero) reliable evidence of this in the literature and the preponderance of evidence argues strongly against it being anything but a rare anomaly.
I got one of those. One of the more useful yote-attracting things I've found is to have a bird dog along, on a leash, tied to a tree in a conspicuous location about 25 yards away. Eyeball and I had great success using his GSP as a decoy out south of Hobbs doing that on a few occasions. The yodel-dogs didn't even look for a hunter, they just zeroed in on the GSP. Made for some fun shooting.
So this mouse-model study from May 2020 which says that some strains of corona virus had poor response to some monoclonal antibodies (others had robust neutralizing response in the study...), Somehow disproves ALL the positive research since then?
You have a definite pattern of finding old articles and proclaiming them to be something they're not. Do you actually read them? Seriously, how do you find so much science to misinterpret? It must be a full time job!
Yeah, I was a bit skeered at one point when we had 5 (five!!) yodel-dogs making a beeline for Eyeball's pooch. She didn't seem to mind, thought they were coming to play. But after I brain-panned one and eyeball shot the heart out of a second one, none of the rest wanted to stick around and play.
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
5 at once, that makes for exciting times and confusion ie which one do I scare the schit out of first!
IIRC my partner and I had 4-5 come in at once, but they were in different spots,one here, one behind me or one to his left/right and we killed none!
That's usually how it goes. We were very lucky on that one. I have a great photo of my yodel-dog... his eyes were popped out like a cartoon character from the Roger Rabbit movie...
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
And the vaccines provide immunity not only from symptoms but limit the spread? I’ve not seen that. Mostly they are saying that vaccinated individuals can still acquire Covid and spread it.
I'm not sure who "they" are, but if you say "they" are saying that, they sound pretty poorly informed. The literature is pretty clear that infections can occur in vaccinated persons, but at a significantly lower rate. The severity of illness infected persons with acute disease is much lower than in non-vaccinated control groups, and hospitalizations are very much reduced.
The assertion that asymptomatic persons can infect others has been made and repeated many times over the past year, mostly by politicians and politically motivated docs like Fauci and Brix, but there is little (in my view zero) reliable evidence of this in the literature and the preponderance of evidence argues strongly against it being anything but a rare anomaly.
My cousin is practicing in a clinic diagnosing and prescribing as a NP.
Her thoughts mirror yours on these subjects.
We know the motivation for all the fake news pushed by the left. I fail to understand the motivation behind the fake news fed to us by conservative media.
My cousin reports that she has seen no flu patients in almost a year.
I understand that sales of Tami-flu are nonexistent.
Have you seen similar in your practice?
Have Covid inspired restrictions eliminated the flu for the 20-21 season?
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
You're still your old humorless self, I see.
People are discussing serious matters of life and serious disability, and perhaps death. Where's the humor in that?
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
You're still your old humorless self, I see.
People are discussing serious matters of life and serious disability, and perhaps death. Where's the humor in that?
They are? Most of this thread was about some Poindexter with thick glasses showing off his rifles to derail the subject at hand.
We know the motivation for all the fake news pushed by the left. I fail to understand the motivation behind the fake news fed to us by conservative media.
I am baffled as well, but I suspect there's a good bit of pure meanness and spite, as a flavoring to their partisan politics. But there's been a metric tonne of bu l l s h i t from a bunch of sites and sources. I've given up trying to keep the bafflegab straight.
I will say that the antivax movement has gained a lot of traction over the past 20 years, in part due to the slickness of their presentations on the innanet, and in part due to the appallingly low level of scientific literacy of the average American.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
My cousin reports that she has seen no flu patients in almost a year.
I understand that sales of Tami-flu are nonexistent.
Have you seen similar in your practice?
Have Covid inspired restrictions eliminated the flu for the 20-21 season?
It's been interesting, and yes, I've seen the same thing in my ER's. My primary shop has a crackerjack lab panel, and we don't just do flu swabs for respiratory illnesses, we do a multi-organism Respiratory Virus Panel on many of our cases (it's a default setting if flu swab comes up negative). So we have numbers showing that not only has influenza been almost nonexistent, but infections due to Parainfluenza virus, Adenovirus, Respiratory Syncitial virus, and many others have been almost nonexistent as well.
This is not some vast global conspiracy to hide influenza deaths in the COVID numbers, as some of our rocket scientists are claiming. Our labs are simply not finding anything close to the infection rate of a host of viral respiratory pathogens, going back to last spring.
There is a lot of speculation about this, a lot of theorizing, but the broad brushstrokes seem to be that in the world of viral ecology, the various respiratory pathogens exist in a sort of steady-state with each other, competing for a limited number of susceptible human hosts. CoV2 as a novel virus was/is able to out-compete the usual villains for this susceptible population, and has driven the others into the background. They are still there, just not in numbers even close to what we usually see. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out when the fall virus season hits us.
As for Tamiflu, it's a useless drug that Big Pharma has been flogging with great profitability. I'm glad to see it's hurting the bastards where it counts, in their pocketbook.
Ah, TRH, it's so good to see you back to your old tricks!! Just a word of advice, though... don't try picking up ol' cockwomble91's habits & techniques of sophistry and dissimulation... it's beneath you. You're quite kooky enough all on your own.
You're still your old humorless self, I see.
People are discussing serious matters of life and serious disability, and perhaps death. Where's the humor in that?
They are? Most of this thread was about some Poindexter with thick glasses showing off his rifles to derail the subject at hand.
The natural balance of the Fire never fails to surprise me. The hunting content defeated strongest of China's soldiers in his own thread.
5 at once, that makes for exciting times and confusion ie which one do I scare the schit out of first!
IIRC my partner and I had 4-5 come in at once, but they were in different spots,one here, one behind me or one to his left/right and we killed none!
That's usually how it goes. We were very lucky on that one. I have a great photo of my yodel-dog... his eyes were popped out like a cartoon character from the Roger Rabbit movie...
I head shot this one purely by luck, it just crested a hill and was on its way down the other side when I pulled the trigger.
We know the motivation for all the fake news pushed by the left. I fail to understand the motivation behind the fake news fed to us by conservative media.
I am baffled as well, but I suspect there's a good bit of pure meanness and spite, as a flavoring to their partisan politics. But there's been a metric tonne of bu l l s h i t from a bunch of sites and sources. I've given up trying to keep the bafflegab straight.
I will say that the antivax movement has gained a lot of traction over the past 20 years, in part due to the slickness of their presentations on the innanet, and in part due to the appallingly low level of scientific literacy of the average American.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
My cousin reports that she has seen no flu patients in almost a year.
I understand that sales of Tami-flu are nonexistent.
Have you seen similar in your practice?
Have Covid inspired restrictions eliminated the flu for the 20-21 season?
It's been interesting, and yes, I've seen the same thing in my ER's. My primary shop has a crackerjack lab panel, and we don't just do flu swabs for respiratory illnesses, we do a multi-organism Respiratory Virus Panel on many of our cases (it's a default setting if flu swab comes up negative). So we have numbers showing that not only has influenza been almost nonexistent, but infections due to Parainfluenza virus, Adenovirus, Respiratory Syncitial virus, and many others have been almost nonexistent as well.
This is not some vast global conspiracy to hide influenza deaths in the COVID numbers, as some of our rocket scientists are claiming. Our labs are simply not finding anything close to the infection rate of a host of viral respiratory pathogens, going back to last spring.
There is a lot of speculation about this, a lot of theorizing, but the broad brushstrokes seem to be that in the world of viral ecology, the various respiratory pathogens exist in a sort of steady-state with each other, competing for a limited number of susceptible human hosts. CoV2 as a novel virus was/is able to out-compete the usual villains for this susceptible population, and has driven the others into the background. They are still there, just not in numbers even close to what we usually see. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out when the fall virus season hits us.
As for Tamiflu, it's a useless drug that Big Pharma has been flogging with great profitability. I'm glad to see it's hurting the bastards where it counts, in their pocketbook.
Thank you for the insight. Perhaps a few will read and actually consider the facts.
And thanks for the opinion on Tamiflu. I have never purchased any. Now I will not in the future,
]So, vaccinated immunity is better than naturally acquired immunity?
Don't be disingenuous.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And the vaccines provide immunity not only from symptoms but limit the spread? I’ve not seen that. Mostly they are saying that vaccinated individuals can still acquire Covid and spread it.
I'm not sure who "they" are, but if you say "they" are saying that, they sound pretty poorly informed. The literature is pretty clear that infections can occur in vaccinated persons, but at a significantly lower rate. The severity of illness infected persons with acute disease is much lower than in non-vaccinated control groups, and hospitalizations are very much reduced.
The assertion that asymptomatic persons can infect others has been made and repeated many times over the past year, mostly by politicians and politically motivated docs like Fauci and Brix, but there is little (in my view zero) reliable evidence of this in the literature and the preponderance of evidence argues strongly against it being anything but a rare anomaly.
So, once again, is vaccinated immunity superior to natural immunity?
And, I see that your answer is “yes” that one can still get and pass Covid after being vaccinated.
Here is what I will tell you. I have not worn a mask in any store or public situation in a year. I never wore one. I have not instituted any other Covid precautions either. I have continued my normal activities and don’t wash my hands any more than normal or anything else. In that year my wife had it, my father had it, my best friends had it, my sister had it, her husband had it, her husband’s 92 year old father had it, and numerous others. I spent six hours unmasked in a vehicle with someone who had it. I have not so much as run a slight fever or had a sniffle in that time. None of those people, including my 83 year old dad and the 92 year old had to be hospitalized. The 92 year old wouldn’t even have known he was sick except that his wife got it and he was tested.
So, forgive me if I don’t feel the need to be vaccinated about something as insignificant as this condition appears to be.
Forgive me, I misinterpreted your question. I do not see any conclusive evidence yet that there is any superiority of either naturally acquired or vaccine mediated immunity. That will no doubt become clearer with time. I'm still on the fence on this one, myself.
Persons who have symptomatic CoV2 are indeed capable of infecting others, just like any other infectious disease. There is a widespread suspicion that they are less infectious than non-vaccinated cases, but I haven't seen any hard data to prove that.
Forgive me, I misinterpreted your question. I do not see any conclusive evidence yet that there is any superiority of either naturally acquired or vaccine mediated immunity. That will no doubt become clearer with time. I'm still on the fence on this one, myself.
Persons who have symptomatic CoV2 are indeed capable of infecting others, just like any other infectious disease.
Then lose the pretense of the vaccine being anything other than a personal preference. They likely do not stop the spread nor does anyone owe anyone else anything. In the US today, anyone wants to get the vaccine can get it. If they get it and the vaccine works, they’ll be protected. Anyone who doesn’t get it, is merely making a personal decision. It is no different than the flu vaccine. You get it if you want it. If not, you take your chances. The flu will still be around either way.
Again, if all you can see here is "what's in it for me", I don't see any point in further discussion with you.
That’s not it at all. It’s just that no one has made a convincing case that it does anything at all for the greater good.
As for the disappearance of flu, let’s be realistic. What makes more sense? That a disease that has infected millions of people every single year for more or less the entire history of the human race in essence disappeared in less than a calendar year, or that there is a significant amount of misdiagnosis going on?
I can think of an extremely obvious reason why the tests results are the way they are.
There is a lot of speculation about this, a lot of theorizing, but the broad brushstrokes seem to be that in the world of viral ecology, the various respiratory pathogens exist in a sort of steady-state with each other, competing for a limited number of susceptible human hosts. CoV2 as a novel virus was/is able to out-compete the usual villains for this susceptible population, and has driven the others into the background. They are still there, just not in numbers even close to what we usually see. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out when the fall virus season hits us.
If that's the case, is being vaccinated for CoV2, leave an opening for other viruses that might be in the steady-state background?
If your numbers are as correct as you think they are: 3,305 vaccine deaths out of 100,000,000 vaccinated or 234,000,000 doses given. Equals .0033% chance of a fatality from the vaccine.
Vaccine adverse effects are usually calculated per dose, so this means 3305/234,000,000 = 0.000014% fatality rate (putative).
Flu – 25 (1 yr deaths) / 195,000,000 (1 yr doses) = .00000013%
.00000013 % - percentage deaths p/yr from flu shot .000014 % - percentage deaths p/yr from CV19 shot
.000014%(CV19) / .00000013%(Flu) = 10,769% (CV19 shot has 107 times more chance of killing you than the “proven” safe seasonal flu shot.
That's just in the first 4 months. Multiply it by 3 to get a true flu year vs CV19 year true comparison.....CV19 is 324 times deadlier than the flu shot in year over year comparison, yet these clowns state they are safe. laughable. If you didn't have a tyranny government overseeing a genocide, they would be removed from the market.
97% of "combined" deaths from all vaccine shots in the first four months of 2021 are from the deadly Covid-19 shot. There are over 100 deaths from all other vaccine shots, when leaving out the Covid-19 death number. Actual counts are many times higher, just the same as the actual number of people exposed to Covid-19 was only 10% by the numbers.
You can lie all you want to and resort to your school yard name calling, and continue to be the mentally sick cyberstalking troll you’ve thoroughly proven yourself to be in this thread from the very beginning, while I handed your toadies their azzes on a Silver Platter, but you can not dispute one single scientific fact from the studies I’ve produced, which makes your mentally sick cyberstalking blather worthless from having any scientific medical validity whatsoever. You actually attempting to disprove the proven studies is hilarious in and of itself, being some are “peer reviewed” and are now accepted proof, while others are simply awaiting peer review, but they all have been proven to repeat in the lab.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Keep in mind that "vaccine deaths" are recorded in much the same manner as COVID deaths, which is to say there is probably some fudging of the numbers, depending on the agenda of the person relating the tally.
Here above is the standard obfuscation with zero facts to back up the claim. Yes, the deaths are off, and are most likely severely “under” reported just like the true number of infected were underreported.
There is already evidence out they are not counting deaths from reactions from the CV19 shots as deaths from the CV19 shot.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
These self-styled rocket scientists on this thread who do arithmetic and call it mathematics aren't worth taking the time to respond to for a lot of reasons, not the least of which because they have refused to grasp the simple fact from the outset that adverse outcomes from any vaccine are expected. Vaccines are always a calculated gamble of risks vs benefits. People take a risk any time they take a vaccine for any illness, and it's usually a very small risk for a potentially great gain. The preliminary trials showed an acceptable level of risk to benefit. So far, the clinical results are bearing that out. Only time will tell how great a benefit it will confer on the human population worldwide, but I'm betting it will be pretty large.
Pretty sad watching someone attempt to justify a genocide, when the numbers prove it is a genocide. Notice how docrocket attempts to overshadow the extremely high percentage of deaths with the claim “adverse outcomes from any vaccine are expected”, but doesn’t show the math which proves the dangerous spread between a safe shot and a deadly one, like I have.
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Using alarmist stories from antivax activist sources, as a lot of folks are doing both here and all over social media, does not constitute sharing of information. It is merely the mindless repitition of propaganda.
More lies as he claims these world renowned doctors, who have released their “peer reviewed” studies to the world for review are “antivax activist sources”. And here again, if the material was junk, why can’t docrocket show the people here any one article I’ve posted to be incorrect, and bolding the specific part that is not correct. And you have to dispute with “scientific evidence, not an “opinion” from a mentally deranged cyberstalking troll that is not scientifically backed up with irrefutable scientific evidence.
Originally Posted by Docrocket
But as I said, it's pretty much pointless to argue with these folks. Their minds are made up. I'm enjoying the pics of hunting and shooting activities a lot, though.
Yeah, I guess I’d appreciate the hunting pictures too, while a bunch of mentally deranged cyber stalkers roll this thread off the front page continually that could help save people’s lives, if I made a complete fool out of myself, like he did when he first cyber stalked me on this thread I created, when this thread is being continually loaded with hard scientific irrefutable proof of the mass murder of innocent citizens, and it proving to those he told the shot was safe is being irrefutably proven wrong.
Just remember, I’m posting hard scientific evidence developed in labs.
Docrocket is posting lying propaganda, with “zero” evidence.
The reason they came at this thread “hard” in the last day is because those reports concerning the S1 protein (Spike protein) being pathogenic, and is a complete spike through the heart of this Genocide. The main stream commie media has all hands on deck presently as they attempt to erase all of this latest info hitting the public domain, kinda like 'ole docrocket too, with his attempts to discredit the proven scientific facts with "zero facts". I think they call that a swing-and-a-miss.
Any credible doctor would be confirming the solid info I’m posting, as they are around the world presently as they shake their heads in wonderment as to why the shots are still allowed to be given, and instructing people to hold off until this information is further reviewed, even though some is already peer reviewed. Yet these mentally deranged cyber stalkers here want people to commit suicide essentially with the new evidence these shots destroy your vascular / pulmonary system.
What kind of mentally deranged person would look at these credible studies, concerning the Spike Protein has been proven to be deadly when separated from the virus, and still tell someone they are safe?
Sick, huh?
Yeah, I thought you people would think so too……you out here who are capable of actually reading the truth.
Just remember, ole docrocket says people like me aren't worth the time. Reverse psychology to discredit me to his toady followers. He would take the time if he could refute the studies with hard scientific evidence, but everyone reading this can obviously see he can't. He would be a fool in attempting to do so, because I'd just hand his azz to him again on a Silver Platter, like I did at the beginning after trolling me in this thread.
Hey doc, a Covid-19 shot being 324 times deadlier than the flu shot isn't safe.
JoeBob, it's a relative risk, like anything else. Your chance of dying from CoV2 if you catch it is low, as you rightly point out. (But if you DO get hospitalized in an ICU and die, it's a slow and pretty sch!tty death.) And as I replied to Idaho Shooter above, your risk of dying from the vaccine is really, really low. The difference in relative risks of the two is quite substantial, which even an arithmetician can see, I'm sure.
When you were vaccinated as a kid against measles, mumps, and rubella, your chance of dying from one of those diseases was very small, but not zero. For vulnerable kids, like those with cerebral palsy, or leukemia, congenital heart disease, however, the risk of death from those disease was much, much higher. Your risk of dying from the vaccine was significantly smaller than anyone's risk of dying from the disease, which is why the public health system and your parents made the decision to go ahead with your vaccine as a kid.
The benefits of the MMR vaccine did not just accrue to you, however. By vaccinating 85%+ of the kid population we reduced the overall incidence of those diseases in the entire population, which in turn meant that. By getting YOU vaccinated, your parents (and the PH system) conferred a far greater level of protection for the vulnerable kids. As a consequence a lot of those kids got past their dire childhood diseases and grew up to become productive members of society.
I didn't get the Pfizer vaccine because I was afraid of getting CoV2. I got it because I know that if I get it, and you get it, and 75-85% of the population gets it, a lot of nice old grannies won't get it and die from it. See WyColoCowboy's post 2 up from here as I write this.
But if you persist in seeing this as a "what's in it for me" question, there's not much I can say to help you.
Excellent post and a great explanation of herd immunity as evidenced by the MMR vax.
JoeBob, it's a relative risk, like anything else. Your chance of dying from CoV2 if you catch it is low, as you rightly point out. (But if you DO get hospitalized in an ICU and die, it's a slow and pretty sch!tty death.) And as I replied to Idaho Shooter above, your risk of dying from the vaccine is really, really low. The difference in relative risks of the two is quite substantial, which even an arithmetician can see, I'm sure.
When you were vaccinated as a kid against measles, mumps, and rubella, your chance of dying from one of those diseases was very small, but not zero. For vulnerable kids, like those with cerebral palsy, or leukemia, congenital heart disease, however, the risk of death from those disease was much, much higher. Your risk of dying from the vaccine was significantly smaller than anyone's risk of dying from the disease, which is why the public health system and your parents made the decision to go ahead with your vaccine as a kid.
The benefits of the MMR vaccine did not just accrue to you, however. By vaccinating 85%+ of the kid population we reduced the overall incidence of those diseases in the entire population, which in turn meant that. By getting YOU vaccinated, your parents (and the PH system) conferred a far greater level of protection for the vulnerable kids. As a consequence a lot of those kids got past their dire childhood diseases and grew up to become productive members of society.
I didn't get the Pfizer vaccine because I was afraid of getting CoV2. I got it because I know that if I get it, and you get it, and 75-85% of the population gets it, a lot of nice old grannies won't get it and die from it. See WyColoCowboy's post 2 up from here as I write this.
But if you persist in seeing this as a "what's in it for me" question, there's not much I can say to help you.
Excellent post and a great explanation of herd immunity as evidenced by the MMR vax.
So the only way here immunity will be achieved is by the vaccine? That’s your position? Is it true herd immunity if one can still get and pass Covid after taking the vaccine?
Again, if all you can see here is "what's in it for me", I don't see any point in further discussion with you.
“Discussion”? Lol! All Sock-Pocket does is incessantly spew Demonrat propaganda, along with Old Poot. I’m sorry Old Poot, I’m a subhuman “Goy”; what do I know? I bow in humble submission to you and Sock Pocket’s superior intellectual prowess; I was out of line
Again, if all you can see here is "what's in it for me", I don't see any point in further discussion with you.
“Discussion”? Lol! All Sock-Pocket does is incessantly spew Demonrat propaganda, along with Old Poot. I’m sorry Old Poot, I’m a subhuman “Goy”; what do I know? I bow in humble submission to you and Sock Pocket’s superior intellectual prowess; I was out of line
You guys know this dipschit Ruger4Life is Happy Camper's sock puppet.
One ever said it was the only way. You're interpreting information that is not presented in that post. Funny thing, science. You can never assume anything until it's been studied appropriately in a scientific manner. Herd immunity doesn't have to be 100%, but the closer the better. With CoV2 I'm not sure what that number is...75%? 80%? Pure speculation on my part. I do think it's achievable with folks who are vaccinated coupled with those who've had the virus and developed antibodies. Mutations are inevitable, so time is a factor too. CoV2 is novel and the scientific community is learning on the fly as evidenced by Doc Rocket's continual reading of scientific literature from so many different sources. Evidenced based medicine has been very good to all of us and there's no reason to expect it won't be with CoV2. We just have to see how it plays out. As Doc said, the fall season will be interesting.
You guys know this dipschit Ruger4Life is Happy Camper's sock puppet.[/quote]
Ha! Yes, it’s totally impossible that two people that don’t know each other might actually share the same views. They must be collaborating together to push an agenda on a mostly redneck, country boy forum. At least I know you are a Demonrat now; thanks for the heads-up!
Forgive me, I misinterpreted your question. I do not see any conclusive evidence yet that there is any superiority of either naturally acquired or vaccine mediated immunity. That will no doubt become clearer with time. I'm still on the fence on this one, myself.
Unfugging believable.
You just exposed yourself to not having the first clue as to what you are talking about.
The deadly Covid-19 Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) shots only produce ONE (1) part of the virus, the S1 protein, "spike protein", so the body only creates an antibody for that ONE (1) protein.
When you get the virus naturally, your body creates multiples of antibodies for ALL OF the different proteins of the virus cell, NOT JUST THE ONE as described above, the S1 protein.
So obviously when you get the virus naturally, you get true immunity being your body created antibodies to give T-cell recognition to ALL PARTS OF THE VIRUS cell, S1 protein and N protein.
ROFLMAO, and here you attempt to discredit me here.
Holy fugging Batman. I could not write anything more gut wrenching laughable than what you just wrote.
Mentally deranged cyberstalking trolls never.....never....fail to come through, and expose themselves for the clueless people they truly are.
Uh, NO, it won't become, "clearer with time' as you stated, because anybody with Biology 101 knowledge knows what I just proved here and now, that is, the shot can "never" give you true immunization. Shame you don't, "doc". [cough]
Please explain how the mRNA instructions create the N protein, so the body can create antibodies to provide T-cell recognition for "that" part of the virus.
Oh, that's right, I'm not worth talking to......laughing my azz off. Holy scheit this is hilarious, "doctor".
Deffinite proof here that people are great at disbelieving anything which does not fit into their preformed opinions. Minds are totally closed to new data.
One lab rat said to the other, “Have you taken the Covid vaccine”? The other replies, “Hell no! I’m gonna wait until I see how the experimental trials with human volunteers turns out”!
One lab rat said to the other, “Have you taken the Covid vaccine”? The other replies, “Hell no! I’m gonna wait until I see how the experimental trials with human volunteers turns out”!
Forgive me, I misinterpreted your question. I do not see any conclusive evidence yet that there is any superiority of either naturally acquired or vaccine mediated immunity. That will no doubt become clearer with time. I'm still on the fence on this one, myself.
Unfugging believable.
You just exposed yourself to not having the first clue as to what you are talking about.
The deadly Covid-19 Synthetic Gene Altering (SGA) shots only produce ONE (1) part of the virus, the S1 protein, "spike protein", so the body only creates an antibody for that ONE (1) protein.
When you get the virus naturally, your body creates multiples of antibodies for ALL OF the different proteins of the virus cell, NOT JUST THE ONE as described above, the S1 protein.
So obviously when you get the virus naturally, you get true immunity being your body created antibodies to give T-cell recognition to ALL PARTS OF THE VIRUS cell, S1 protein and N protein.
ROFLMAO, and here you attempt to discredit me here.
Holy fugging Batman. I could not write anything more gut wrenching laughable than what you just wrote.
Mentally deranged cyberstalking trolls never.....never....fail to come through, and expose themselves for the clueless people they truly are.
Uh, NO, it won't become, "clearer with time' as you stated, because anybody with Biology 101 knowledge knows what I just proved here and now, that is, the shot can "never" give you true immunization. Shame you don't, "doc". [cough]
Please explain how the mRNA instructions create the N protein, so the body can create antibodies to provide T-cell recognition for "that" part of the virus.
Oh, that's right, I'm not worth talking to......laughing my azz off. Holy scheit this is hilarious, "doctor".
Okay, here's a slow one right over the plate. Go ahead, knock it out of the park!
What percentage of Covid 19 virus particles do not contain this S1 "spike protein"?
Is it kind of like:
"Hey we just developed a pathogen which attacks the central nervous system of a mosquito and kills it!"
"What.... just the CNS? What about all the mosquitos with no CNS?"
You guys know this dipschit Ruger4Life is Happy Camper's sock puppet.[/quote]
Ha! Yes, it’s totally impossible that two people that don’t know each other might actually share the same views. They must be collaborating together to push an agenda on a mostly redneck, country boy forum. At least I know you are a Demonrat now; thanks for the heads-up! [/quote]
Laughing. Swing and a very big miss. Learn how to properly quote.
You guys know this dipschit Ruger4Life is Happy Camper's sock puppet.
Ha! Yes, it’s totally impossible that two people that don’t know each other might actually share the same views. They must be collaborating together to push an agenda on a mostly redneck, country boy forum. At least I know you are a Demonrat now; thanks for the heads-up! [/quote]
Laughing. Swing and a very big miss. Learn how to properly quote.
[/quote]
Typical response from libtards that are intellectually inferior and don’t have the capacity to defend their own faulty, erroneous viewpoints: find something extremely irrelevant that you can ridicule, because your own argument doesn’t hold water! Lol! Demonrats are all the same!!! Yeah, I’ll study up on how to “properly” quote on this Redneck Forum. Thanks for giving me some real chuckles tonight!
There is a lot of speculation about this, a lot of theorizing, but the broad brushstrokes seem to be that in the world of viral ecology, the various respiratory pathogens exist in a sort of steady-state with each other, competing for a limited number of susceptible human hosts. CoV2 as a novel virus was/is able to out-compete the usual villains for this susceptible population, and has driven the others into the background. They are still there, just not in numbers even close to what we usually see. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out when the fall virus season hits us.
If that's the case, is being vaccinated for CoV2, leave an opening for other viruses that might be in the steady-state background?
No. Those viruses have been there all along, and if you didn't have a certain level of background immunity to them and other viruses like them, you'd have been dead a long time ago.
So the only way here immunity will be achieved is by the vaccine? That’s your position? Is it true herd immunity if one can still get and pass Covid after taking the vaccine?
I suggested you were being disingenuous yesterday, and retracted it. You aren't being disingenuous. You're only being willfully obtuse and argumentative.
Oh well, then good. What is the utility for someone who has already had Covid to take the vaccine? Do you allege that the vaccine imports some superior immunity?
As for the disappearance of flu, let’s be realistic.
Yes, let's.
First thing, it didn't "disappear" at all, it was still extant, but at a vastly reduced incidence. I have summarized the viral ecology theory for that previously.
You may recall that I posted yesterday that the incidence of ALL the usual seasonal respiratory pathogens was far below normal numbers last fall and winter, by my own observations and laboratory testing, and this has been corroborated by hospital emergency physicians all over the USA and Canada that I am in regular contact with. In order for this to happen, it had to be a real phenomenon. There are simply too many physicians and too many laboratories involved for this to be a vast conspiracy. But if someone likes to see evil puppetmasters and vast conspiracies, I'm sure this will be no impediment to believing in yet another conspiracy.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
... a disease that has infected millions of people every single year for more or less the entire history of the human race in essence disappeared in less than a calendar year, or that there is a significant amount of misdiagnosis going on? .
Your understanding of the history of influenza is deficient, sadly. Flu has been with us for no more than a few hundred years. Earliest reports consistent with influenza epidemics date it to no earlier than the 16trh century. This is not just from examination of the historical record, but from virologists' analyses of influenza's genetic material, which points to the key original mutation(s) occurring within the past 600 years or so. Some people claim Hippocrates identified flu in 412 BC, but even cursory reading of his description tells the reader that he was describing a set of symptoms common to many respiratory viruses. It was most likely a different virus, one which may no longer exist in the modern world. Again, the molecular biology of the genetic material argues against it.
In any case, viruses do sometimes "just disappear". I wonder if you might have heard of "the sweating sickness"? No? Henry VII, Henry VIII, Arthur the Prince of Wales? Ring any bells? It was a deadly plague that swept Europe repeatedly in the 16th century, killed millions of people, then just disappeared. What it was, exactly, nobody knows for sure, but virologists speculate it may have been a species of hantavirus. The point is that it disappeared and has never reappeared, for reasons no one can adequately explain.
Nature is like that. Sometimes in the inexplicable happens. Just because it's inexplicable does not mean that human conspiracy is behind the events.
What is the utility for someone who has already had Covid to take the vaccine? Do you allege that the vaccine imports some superior immunity?
I'm looking through my previous posts for some inkling that I may have said someone who's had CoV2 should take the vaccine, and I can't find anything of the sort. Strange that you should suggest I wrote that.
Likewise, I can't find anywhere that I wrote the vaccines "import" [sic] superior immunity.
As for the disappearance of flu, let’s be realistic.
Yes, let's.
First thing, it didn't "disappear" at all, it was still extant, but at a vastly reduced incidence. I have summarized the viral ecology theory for that previously.
You may recall that I posted yesterday that the incidence of ALL the usual seasonal respiratory pathogens was far below normal numbers last fall and winter, by my own observations and laboratory testing, and this has been corroborated by hospital emergency physicians all over the USA and Canada that I am in regular contact with. In order for this to happen, it had to be a real phenomenon. There are simply too many physicians and too many laboratories involved for this to be a vast conspiracy. But if someone likes to see evil puppetmasters and vast conspiracies, I'm sure this will be no impediment to believing in yet another conspiracy.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
... a disease that has infected millions of people every single year for more or less the entire history of the human race in essence disappeared in less than a calendar year, or that there is a significant amount of misdiagnosis going on? .
Your understanding of the history of influenza is deficient, sadly. Flu has been with us for no more than a few hundred years. Earliest reports consistent with influenza epidemics date it to no earlier than the 16trh century. This is not just from examination of the historical record, but from virologists' analyses of influenza's genetic material, which points to the key original mutation(s) occurring within the past 600 years or so. Some people claim Hippocrates identified flu in 412 BC, but even cursory reading of his description tells the reader that he was describing a set of symptoms common to many respiratory viruses. It was most likely a different virus, one which may no longer exist in the modern world. Again, the molecular biology of the genetic material argues against it.
In any case, viruses do sometimes "just disappear". I wonder if you might have heard of "the sweating sickness"? No? Henry VII, Henry VIII, Arthur the Prince of Wales? Ring any bells? It was a deadly plague that swept Europe repeatedly in the 16th century, killed millions of people, then just disappeared. What it was, exactly, nobody knows for sure, but virologists speculate it may have been a species of hantavirus. The point is that it disappeared and has never reappeared, for reasons no one can adequately explain.
Nature is like that. Sometimes in the inexplicable happens. Just because it's inexplicable does not mean that human conspiracy is behind the events.
I never realized you were condescendingly smarmy as you are.
First, yes, I have heard of the sweating sickness. And unlike influenza, it was extant for fewer than 100 years. It appeared in the reign of Henry VII and appeared for the last time in the reign of Edward VI. In that time, it followed a well established pattern. It was incredibly virulent and deadly to start, then it would come back in waves, sometimes years apart, with each wave becoming less virulent and deadly. It was not virtually endemic in the human population for at least five or six centuries as we can absolutely prove with influenza.
Extremely unlikely that influenza would disappear as it apparently has. And no, I haven’t alleged a human conspiracy. I can think of an easy reason why it would appear to be so. And doubly so since the number of Covid cases almost exactly matches what you would expect to see in a heavy flu year.
I never realized you were condescendingly smarmy as you are.
I realize I'm not a lawyer, so my smarmy isn't up to courtroom standards, but I try. (JK, counselor.) But seriously, you might could try dialing back your own attitude a bit, if you want folks to not give you attitude back.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Extremely unlikely that influenza would disappear as it apparently has.
Negative. It didn't disappear, we saw cases all through flu season. Just not very many of them. It's still there, and it will be back. Bank on it.
But it will, eventually, disappear. All viruses do.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And no, I haven’t alleged a human conspiracy. I can think of an easy reason why it would appear to be so. And doubly so since the number of Covid cases almost exactly matches what you would expect to see in a heavy flu year.
I'm not sure I alleged you were alleging a human conspiracy, but plenty of others are, as you know.
As I briefly discussed earlier, the appearance is consistent with the concept of an ecological balance of respiratory virus species, which all compete for the same sub-population of human hosts that are susceptible to infection. Since the vast majority of people who die of influenza each year are in poor baseline health, and this is the population that ALL respiratory viruses compete for, it makes sense that this population would be the ones dying from CoV2 recently. and will die from in the next wave in the USA this winter.
"Dr. Peter McCullough, in a 32-minute interview with journalist Alex Newman, said if this were any other vaccine it would have been pulled from the market by now for safety reasons.
McCullough holds the honor of being the most cited medical doctor on COVID-19 treatments at the National Library of Medicine, with more than 600 citations. He has testified before Congress and won numerous awards during his distinguished medical career.
Between Dec. 14 and April 23, there were 3,544 deaths reported to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS], along with 12,619 serious injuries.
One might expect these numbers would trigger an exhaustive investigation from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But the opposite has occurred. According to McCullough, the government has taken what amounts to a passing glance at the alarming numbers and dismissed them with a bare minimum of scrutiny.
“A typical new drug at about five deaths, unexplained deaths, we get a black-box warning, your listeners would see it on TV, saying it may cause death,” McCullough said. “And then at about 50 deaths it’s pulled off the market.”
The U.S. has a precedent for this. In 1976 during the Swine Flu pandemic the U.S. attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans, but at that point the shot caused about 500 cases of paralysis and 25 deaths.
“The program was killed, at 25 deaths,” McCullough said.
Compare that type of response to the government’s reaction to much higher reported death numbers related to the Moderna and Pfizer shots and the contrast is alarming, McCullough said, especially when the shots have not even been granted full FDA approval and are only being allowed on the market under an Emergency Use Authorization...."
"Dr. Peter McCullough, in a 32-minute interview with journalist Alex Newman, said if this were any other vaccine it would have been pulled from the market by now for safety reasons.
McCullough holds the honor of being the most cited medical doctor on COVID-19 treatments at the National Library of Medicine, with more than 600 citations. He has testified before Congress and won numerous awards during his distinguished medical career.
Between Dec. 14 and April 23, there were 3,544 deaths reported to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS], along with 12,619 serious injuries.
One might expect these numbers would trigger an exhaustive investigation from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But the opposite has occurred. According to McCullough, the government has taken what amounts to a passing glance at the alarming numbers and dismissed them with a bare minimum of scrutiny.
“A typical new drug at about five deaths, unexplained deaths, we get a black-box warning, your listeners would see it on TV, saying it may cause death,” McCullough said. “And then at about 50 deaths it’s pulled off the market.”
The U.S. has a precedent for this. In 1976 during the Swine Flu pandemic the U.S. attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans, but at that point the shot caused about 500 cases of paralysis and 25 deaths.
“The program was killed, at 25 deaths,” McCullough said.
Compare that type of response to the government’s reaction to much higher reported death numbers related to the Moderna and Pfizer shots and the contrast is alarming, McCullough said, especially when the shots have not even been granted full FDA approval and are only being allowed on the market under an Emergency Use Authorization...."
"Dr. Peter McCullough, in a 32-minute interview with journalist Alex Newman, said if this were any other vaccine it would have been pulled from the market by now for safety reasons.
McCullough holds the honor of being the most cited medical doctor on COVID-19 treatments at the National Library of Medicine, with more than 600 citations. He has testified before Congress and won numerous awards during his distinguished medical career.
Between Dec. 14 and April 23, there were 3,544 deaths reported to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS], along with 12,619 serious injuries.
One might expect these numbers would trigger an exhaustive investigation from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But the opposite has occurred. According to McCullough, the government has taken what amounts to a passing glance at the alarming numbers and dismissed them with a bare minimum of scrutiny.
“A typical new drug at about five deaths, unexplained deaths, we get a black-box warning, your listeners would see it on TV, saying it may cause death,” McCullough said. “And then at about 50 deaths it’s pulled off the market.”
The U.S. has a precedent for this. In 1976 during the Swine Flu pandemic the U.S. attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans, but at that point the shot caused about 500 cases of paralysis and 25 deaths.
“The program was killed, at 25 deaths,” McCullough said.
Compare that type of response to the government’s reaction to much higher reported death numbers related to the Moderna and Pfizer shots and the contrast is alarming, McCullough said, especially when the shots have not even been granted full FDA approval and are only being allowed on the market under an Emergency Use Authorization...."
Nothing to see here folks; let’s move along. Lol!
Actually there probably isn't. 3544 people dying in a year and a half is probably pretty average, particularly when they are older citizens as all the old folks went first and millions of doses were available. I'm thinking 3544 was remarkable!
"Dr. Henry Ealy and his team started looking at CDC data on COVID-19 cases and fatalities in mid-March 2020, quickly realizing the agency was vastly exaggerating fatalities.
Over-reporting of fatalities was enabled by a March 2020 change in how cause of death is reported on death certificates. Rather than listing COVID-19 as a contributing cause in cases where people died from other underlying conditions, it was to be listed as the primary cause
As of August 23, 2020, the CDC reported 161,392 fatalities caused by COVID-19. Had the long-standing, original guidelines for death reporting been used, there would have only been 9,684 total fatalities due to COVID-19.
The CDC violated federal law, as the Paperwork Reduction Act requires data collection and publication to be overseen by the Office of Management and Budget. Proposed changes must be published in the Federal Register and be open to public comment. None of these transparency rules were followed"
With 3,305 deaths in four months so far this year from receiving the shot, we are on course to mass murdering the same "true" amount of people who died from Covid-19 as will be murdered from the deadly shot.
3305(Deaths from 4 months of shots) x 3 = 9,915 (Yearly Projection based of first 4 months death rate)
Actual CV19 Deaths = 9,684 (True Deaths from CV19)
H[ighly Cited COVID Doctor Comes To Stunning Conclusion: Gov’t ‘Scrubbing Unprecedented Numbers’ Of Injection-Related Deaths
3,544 deaths and 12,619 serious injuries reported between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 23, 2021
How many time do we need to discuss these numbers?
Again, SO WHAT? Comparing the safety of this vaccine to the safety of other vaccines is of no import.
The ONLY important question is: Is taking the vaccine safer than getting the disease.
YOUR numbers, YOUR statistics tell us yes. The Vaccine is safer than the disease. 100 times safer.
Is it better to bury the vaccine and let 330,000 die of viral pneumonia, or administer the vaccine and see 3,300 die?
Very anxious to see your response!
You're a lying troll.
The shot is 100 times deadlier than the actual disease, and the real numbers prove it. Not my job to educate you.
To prove you are nothing but a troll, only an idiot would read the story, which you deleted from my post you are replying to (Typical commie debating tactics to hide the evidence that proves you wrong), and then attempt to discredit a credible doctor proving the shot is not safe based on the rate of deaths.
The CDC suspended the shot discussed in the article, while the Covid-19 shot is 132 times more deadly, yet they have not suspended the Covid-19 shot. Only a “troll” would attempt to discredit that fact.
Post you chopped:
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Highly Cited COVID Doctor Comes To Stunning Conclusion: Gov’t ‘Scrubbing Unprecedented Numbers’ Of Injection-Related Deaths
3,544 deaths and 12,619 serious injuries reported between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 23, 2021
"Dr. Peter McCullough, in a 32-minute interview with journalist Alex Newman, said if this were any other vaccine it would have been pulled from the market by now for safety reasons.
McCullough holds the honor of being the most cited medical doctor on COVID-19 treatments at the National Library of Medicine, with more than 600 citations. He has testified before Congress and won numerous awards during his distinguished medical career.
Between Dec. 14 and April 23, there were 3,544 deaths reported to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS], along with 12,619 serious injuries.
One might expect these numbers would trigger an exhaustive investigation from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But the opposite has occurred. According to McCullough, the government has taken what amounts to a passing glance at the alarming numbers and dismissed them with a bare minimum of scrutiny.
“A typical new drug at about five deaths, unexplained deaths, we get a black-box warning, your listeners would see it on TV, saying it may cause death,” McCullough said. “And then at about 50 deaths it’s pulled off the market.”
The U.S. has a precedent for this. In 1976 during the Swine Flu pandemic the U.S. attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans, but at that point the shot caused about 500 cases of paralysis and 25 deaths.
“The program was killed, at 25 deaths,” McCullough said.
Compare that type of response to the government’s reaction to much higher reported death numbers related to the Moderna and Pfizer shots and the contrast is alarming, McCullough said, especially when the shots have not even been granted full FDA approval and are only being allowed on the market under an Emergency Use Authorization...."
Clock is ticking. Once these “vaccines” start achieving their effects they were originally intended for, there will be many fewer people around to ridicule those persons that refuse to take the experimental jab. Enjoy your time making fun of others that are not sheeple like you, because your time is short. Make the best of it though, and taunt and cajole every person that is not as stupid as you, so as to offer themselves VOLUNTARILY to be a lab rat for an experimental “vaccine”!!
A reasonable person might wonder why they paused the non-mRNA J&J vaccine after a mere five reported deaths from blood clotting and seem to breathlessly report every single bad reaction while suppressing any negative news about the mRNA vaccines. Another might ask why China is not using an mRNA vaccine. And yet another, might ask if India’s problem got much worse after they curtailed treatment with ivermectin and HCQ and started to administer the vaccine.
H[ighly Cited COVID Doctor Comes To Stunning Conclusion: Gov’t ‘Scrubbing Unprecedented Numbers’ Of Injection-Related Deaths
3,544 deaths and 12,619 serious injuries reported between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 23, 2021
How many time do we need to discuss these numbers?
Again, SO WHAT? Comparing the safety of this vaccine to the safety of other vaccines is of no import.
The ONLY important question is: Is taking the vaccine safer than getting the disease.
YOUR numbers, YOUR statistics tell us yes. The Vaccine is safer than the disease. 100 times safer.
Is it better to bury the vaccine and let 330,000 die of viral pneumonia, or administer the vaccine and see 3,300 die?
Very anxious to see your response!
You're a lying troll.
The shot is 100 times deadlier than the actual disease, and the real numbers prove it. Not my job to educate you.
To prove you are nothing but a troll, only an idiot would read the story, which you deleted from my post you are replying to (Typical commie debating tactics to hide the evidence that proves you wrong), and then attempt to discredit a credible doctor proving the shot is not safe based on the rate of deaths.
The CDC suspended the shot discussed in the article, while the Covid-19 shot is 132 times more deadly, yet they have not suspended the Covid-19 shot. Only a “troll” would attempt to discredit that fact.
I am a troll? For daring to disagree with the "Lord Almighty ElkSlayer91"? Give me a fugging Break!
I am a commie? For disbelieving twisted statistics and impossible rumors?
There is no need to requote your previously quoted bullschitt. Nor am I contesting your claim of 3544 deaths out of over 250,000,000 administered doses of Covid vaccine. Nor am I contesting the 99.7% claimed survival rate of the virus.
Is it a SIN to point out the survival rate of the vaccine is more than 100 times higher than the survival rate of the disease?
For every ten souls lost to the vaccine, over 1000 would have died from the virus!
You have still refused to answer the question: Would YOU, in your apparent "INFINITE WISDOM" deny the vaccine knowing YOU would be sacrificing lives on a 100 to 1 ratio.
No more stomping your little feet and screaming to your MOMMA about being picked on.
I CHALLENGE you to sack up and answer a simple yes or no question.
No more cut and paste of no relevant bullschitt. Show us your morals!
Just trying to expose him to his acolytes as the fraud he is.
I mean if he is even a real person. He behaves more like a bot, or an AI. Trying to pin him down and get a straight answer to a question just gets more quotes and canned responses.
It's like trying to get a straight answer out of Siri or Alexa!
Just trying to expose him to his acolytes as the fraud he is.
I mean if he is even a real person. He behaves more like a bot, or an AI. Trying to pin him down and get a straight answer to a question just gets more quotes and canned responses.
It's like trying to get a straight answer out of Siri or Alexa!
Or like getting him to post a picture of an elk kill.
Just trying to expose him to his acolytes as the fraud he is.
I mean if he is even a real person. He behaves more like a bot, or an AI. Trying to pin him down and get a straight answer to a question just gets more quotes and canned responses.
It's like trying to get a straight answer out of Siri or Alexa!
Or like getting him to post a picture of an elk kill.
You all are just mentally sick closet democrat cyber-stalking trolls.
?? My reply was regarding Elk's never quit attitude. He needs to see about some new meds. The only time he has handed anyone an ass was when he dropped a ham on the checkout conveyor at the Piggly Wiggly.
The results of studies release by the Salk institute on 4/30/2021 indicate that the spike protein alone causes serious damage to the human cardio vascular system.
Since the mRNA vaccines by Moderna & Pfizer cause the human body to manufacture spike proteins,it would seem that a rational person would avoid taking the jab,which could possibly produce enough spike proteins to destroy your cardio-vascular system.
The spike protein is a part of each Covid virus particle.. Did the Salk institute compare the number of spike proteins in the system of ill Covid patients to the number of spike proteins in the system of vaccinated patients.
The results of studies release by the Salk institute on 4/30/2021 indicate that the spike protein alone causes serious damage to the human cardio vascular system.
Since the mRNA vaccines by Moderna & Pfizer cause the human body to manufacture spike proteins,it would seem that a rational person would avoid taking the jab,which could possibly produce enough spike proteins to destroy your cardio-vascular system.
Also, that Salk.edu article is “peer reviewed” yet these clowns attempt to discredit it. Just shows how mentally sick these cyber stalkers are.
I posted three articles that “proved” the S1 Protein (spike protein) by itself is pathogenic, and this is exactly why they have attempted to trash this thread with their lies, because this is solid proof they are deadly, and people having strokes, heart attacks, paralysis, et al., is irrefutable evidence.
The shot is 100 times more deadly than the disease, yet these mentally deranged cyberstalking clowns spew their lying Russian Pravda propaganda of the complete opposite. Straight up communist tactics, repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
Also, that Salk.edu article is “peer reviewed” yet these clowns attempt to discredit it. Just shows how mentally sick these cyber stalkers are.
I posted three articles that “proved” the S1 Protein (spike protein) by itself is pathogenic, and this is exactly why they have attempted to trash this thread with their lies, because this is solid proof they are deadly, and people having strokes, heart attacks, paralysis, et al., is irrefutable evidence.
The shot is 100 times more deadly than the disease, yet these mentally deranged cyberstalking clowns spew their lying Russian Pravda propaganda of the complete opposite. Straight up communist tactics, repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
Are you ready to answer the question yet?
Would you deny the vaccine to the population, knowing the actual truth is: the virus kills 100 times as many people as the vaccine.
Over 1/4 BILLION shots delivered to Americans. A bit over 3500 fatalities.
Waiting with bated breath. #Take a stand!
Should be an easy question for the Almighty (don't dare challenge my opinion) Elkslayer91.
CDC states that around 10% of reported deaths had no co morbidities. Covid, and influenza and many others sicknesses can be you final illness if you already are compromised. I think you can wrap your head around this.
Fact: the numbers of deaths are massively overstated, it’s all in the data.
The shot is 100 times more deadly than the disease, yet these mentally deranged cyberstalking clowns spew their lying Russian Pravda propaganda of the complete opposite. Straight up communist tactics, repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
Would you deny the vaccine to the population, knowing the actual truth is: the virus kills 100 times as many people as the vaccine.
Like i said, these mentally deranged cyber stalkers repeat the lie until the lie becomes truth. They steadily chirp the lie.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Over 1/4 BILLION shots delivered to Americans. A bit over 3500 fatalities.
Here they try to be crafty by using an apples to oranges comparison, and even emphasize it with the word "billion" to distract you from the truth.
They compare "total" number of "shots"(234MIL) a single person receives (Apples) to total number of "single" deaths (Oranges).
It should be a comparison of the total number of "single persons" receiving the shot(100MIL) vs. total number of "single" deaths. The reason they falsify this number is because it cuts the real number percentage in half, even though that number still proves the shot is multiple times deadly.
Wrong way to figure:(Apples vs. Oranges)" 3305 (Single Deaths) / 234MIL (Total shots) = .0014%
Right way to figure: (Apples vs. Apples) 3305 (Single Deaths) / 100MIL (Total Single Persons receiving shots) = .0033%
See how .0033% is over half over and above the percentage from their falsified .0014%?
97% of total vaccine shot deaths, from "ALL" vaccine shots, in the first 4 months of 2021 is from Covid-19 shots, and those numbers come directly from the government's "OWN" numbers at VAERS.
Hey Elky, Why don’t you educate yourself on what a percentage (%) is and learn how to use it appropriately. You clearly know how to use google - now up your game and demonstrate an ability to refine your bullschidt rather than simply cutting, pasting, and regurgitating.
Hey Elky, Why don’t you educate yourself on what a percentage (%) is and learn how to use it appropriately. You clearly know how to use google - now up your game and demonstrate an ability to refine your bullschidt rather than simply cutting, pasting, and regurgitating.
Pretty sure he’s a little more well researched than you. But nice try.
The shot is 100 times more deadly than the disease, yet these mentally deranged cyberstalking clowns spew their lying Russian Pravda propaganda of the complete opposite. Straight up communist tactics, repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
Would you deny the vaccine to the population, knowing the actual truth is: the virus kills 100 times as many people as the vaccine.
Like i said, these mentally deranged cyber stalkers repeat the lie until the lie becomes truth. They steadily chirp the lie.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Over 1/4 BILLION shots delivered to Americans. A bit over 3500 fatalities.
Here they try to be crafty by using an apples to oranges comparison, and even emphasize it with the word "billion" to distract you from the truth.
They compare "total" number of "shots"(234MIL) a single person receives (Apples) to total number of "single" deaths (Oranges).
It should be a comparison of the total number of "single persons" receiving the shot(100MIL) vs. total number of "single" deaths. The reason they falsify this number is because it cuts the real number percentage in half, even though that number still proves the shot is multiple times deadly.
Wrong way to figure:(Apples vs. Oranges)" 3305 (Single Deaths) / 234MIL (Total shots) = .000014 percentage
Right way to figure: (Apples vs. Apples) 3305 (Single Deaths) / 100MIL (Total Single Persons receiving shots) = .000033 percentage
See how .000033 is over half over and above the percentage from their falsified .000014?
97% of total vaccine shot deaths, from "ALL" vaccine shots, in the first 4 months of 2021 is from Covid-19 shots, and those numbers come directly from the government's "OWN" numbers at VAERS.
Hey, dumb ass, you have still failed to meet the challenge. Answer the fugging question!
Make note of how MANY times I have used that .0033% number in this thread. [ETA:Yes you did drop one or two decimal points here and there, but who's counting]
And that compares how, to .3% survival rate among Covid patients across all demographics.
So go ahead, explain exactly how the shot is 100 times deadlier than the disease. Tell us where the bodies went. Tell us exactly how these people died.
I mean, as long as you are just making schitt up as you go along. It ought to be easy to make something up about that.
I went into this thread convinced you were just a disillusioned fool.
The reality has become glaringly obvious. You are far worse. You are a damned liar. Stand and stomp your feet and cry that you are abused while you fervently pray your acolytes not abandon you.
Your all encompassing pride will not let you admit the truth, even when you have been slapped alongside the head with it.
When Doctors working with Covid patients for the last year come right here and explain the truth to you. You obviously are bright enough to read and write. There is no way you can be so obtuse as to not understand the facts as they have been so painstakingly explained to you. It has to be a conscious choice.
Even when you quote the very numbers in your own posts, you claim they mean the opposite of truth.
Oh, by the way, just how do you come up 100,000,000 people exposed to the vaccine?
With 250,000,000 doses delivered and 107,000,000 fully vaccinated. It looks like another 30 to 40 million can be added to that 100,000,000 number of people exposed to vaccine.
Ah, but hell, what's 30 or 40 million when one is just spreading lies anyway?⁷
The shot is 100 times more deadly than the disease, yet these mentally deranged cyberstalking clowns spew their lying Russian Pravda propaganda of the complete opposite. Straight up communist tactics, repeat the lie until it becomes truth.
Would you deny the vaccine to the population, knowing the actual truth is: the virus kills 100 times as many people as the vaccine.
Like i said, these mentally deranged cyber stalkers repeat the lie until the lie becomes truth. They steadily chirp the lie.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Over 1/4 BILLION shots delivered to Americans. A bit over 3500 fatalities.
Here they try to be crafty by using an apples to oranges comparison, and even emphasize it with the word "billion" to distract you from the truth.
They compare "total" number of "shots"(234MIL) a single person receives (Apples) to total number of "single" deaths (Oranges).
It should be a comparison of the total number of "single persons" receiving the shot(100MIL) vs. total number of "single" deaths. The reason they falsify this number is because it cuts the real number percentage in half, even though that number still proves the shot is multiple times deadly.
Wrong way to figure:(Apples vs. Oranges)" 3305 (Single Deaths) / 234MIL (Total shots) = .0014%
Right way to figure: (Apples vs. Apples) 3305 (Single Deaths) / 100MIL (Total Single Persons receiving shots) = .0033%
See how .0033% is over half over and above the percentage from their falsified .0014%?
97% of total vaccine shot deaths, from "ALL" vaccine shots, in the first 4 months of 2021 is from Covid-19 shots, and those numbers come directly from the government's "OWN" numbers at VAERS.
I am not checking your numbers because I mostly skim over your posts. I read your first few posts on this site however. You are in "the know" on the whole scamdemic and that's good enough for me. Fucgking cold and flu is all it was. Corona viruses have been around since Ingwe.
CDC states that around 10% of reported deaths had no co morbidities. Covid, and influenza and many others sicknesses can be you final illness if you already are compromised. I think you can wrap your head around this.
Fact: the numbers of deaths are massively overstated, it’s all in the data.
Think, it’s not that hard.
One can have several comorbidities and still live another 10 or 20 years, absent the Covid. But never mind that.
Let's just pretend that those 90% would have died within weeks anyway.
So you erase 90% of Covid deaths. Pretend they never happened and you get 99.97 survivability from the disease.
Or .03% mortality. Than is still ten times the mortality rate of the vaccination.
Whereas this idiot on this thread is stomping his feet and screaming that the Vax has 100 times the mortality rate of the disease.
He apparently believes we are all to stupid to do that kind of simple arithmetic.
Hey Elky, Why don’t you educate yourself on what a percentage (%) is and learn how to use it appropriately. You clearly know how to use google - now up your game and demonstrate an ability to refine your bullschidt rather than simply cutting, pasting, and regurgitating.
Hey you mentally deranged cyberstalker, why didn’t you point out docrocket’s mistake in his post below?
That should’ve been .0014%, even though it’s wrong, being it’s an Apples vs. Orange comparison.
I’ve been going back and forth between writing percentages in “decimal” style and percentage “symbol” style, and made a few errors, but it sure is funny how you mentally deranged cyberstalkers never point out your fellow communist’s errors, as I just proved with the “doctor’s” error.
Now let’s see any of you clowns disprove any of these scientific papers with hard scientific proof.
Crickets…..
Also, this mentally sick azz-clown continues with his elementary tactics of accusing me of cutting, pasting and regurgitating when posting an article to spread “truthful” scientifically backed news is all it is.
Why did the government determine a shot was “deadly unsafe”, after ONLY 53 deaths in 1976, but are allowing the Covid-19 shot to continue when it has SIXTY-THREE (63) TIMES MORE DEATHS ALREADY from the previous stopping point of “only” 53 deaths?
Not just 63 more shots, 63 “TIMES” / “X” more.
3362 (CV19 Deaths) / 53 (1976 Deaths) = 63 (CV19 shot has 63 “times” more Deaths). Yet CV19 shots continue, when 53 deaths were enough to stop a deadly shot in prior history.
CDC states that around 10% of reported deaths had no co morbidities. Covid, and influenza and many others sicknesses can be you final illness if you already are compromised. I think you can wrap your head around this.
Fact: the numbers of deaths are massively overstated, it’s all in the data.
Think, it’s not that hard.
One can have several comorbidities and still live another 10 or 20 years, absent the Covid. But never mind that.
Let's just pretend that those 90% would have died within weeks anyway.
So you erase 90% of Covid deaths. Pretend they never happened and you get 99.97 survivability from the disease.
Or .03% mortality. Than is still ten times the mortality rate of the vaccination.
Whereas this idiot on this thread is stomping his feet and screaming that the Vax has 100 times the mortality rate of the disease.
He apparently believes we are all to stupid to do that kind of simple arithmetic.
Well you do you. But I am not interested in a non FDA approved shot on a virus that’s 99.7% survivable. I’m not claiming more died from the shot than the virus, that’s nonsense. But my point is most don’t need this shot, period.
Well you do you. But I am not interested in a non FDA approved shot on a virus that’s 99.7% survivable. I’m not claiming more died from the shot than the virus, that’s nonsense. But my point is most don’t need this shot, period.
How about those of us of advanced years. Those of us with asthma, or COPD. Those of us with diabetes.
Would you agree that some of us are well advised to get "the shot"?
I am not trying to talk anyone into getting it.
I am trying to convince idiots to stop proselytizing those people from getting the shot who should get it. Hoping some people will quit spreading lies.
There is no denying that Covid is a serious and possibly lethal risk to some people. Even some people with no recognizable comorbidities. One of them might be your Mom or Dad, or Grandparent.
I fail to understand the joy one can achieve from talking those who need the vaccine into being scared of it. Perhaps some just have a psychotic desire to see others get sick and die.
Sure, I don’t fault some for getting it, not in the least. That said, we are all being sold a bill of goods, as it’s not a vaccine nor is it properly tested or approved. But could it be a benefit to high risk people? Yes it could, but we also don’t know the long term effects however.
If it actually was not a vaccine, Numerous Drs would not be reporting that practically no vaccinated patients are becoming sick with Covid.
If the injection effectively prevents an infection, it is by definition a vaccine.
The Pfizer and Moderna injections have successfully proven over the last couple months that they do prevent infections in 95% of recipients. They have absolutely proven themselves to be effective vaccines.
No, we do not know yet how long that protection will last. Yes, we will most likely need annual boosters. (many vaccines require boosters) We do not even know yet, how long immunity imparted by infection and recovery will last. The damned virus has only been rampant in the US for a little over a year. And the Vax has only been widely available for a little more than three months. There's lots we do not yet know.
The SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) virus causes PULMONARY HYPERTENSION from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein).
You can’t detect that with a standard Blood Pressure cuff, being the pulmonary artery is deeply embedded inside your body cavity. It can be done with a pulmonary cath, but that’s invasive to do.
Signs of Pulmonary Hypertension won’t show up until enough damage has already happened for signs to start showing. Without treatment, you’re dead in about two years. With treatment, you might last around ten years.
It ultimately causes right-side heart failure. It also does not show up in animal trials. It only affects humans. It is also specific to Covid-19, and not SARS.
This means there are ZERO shots that are safe to take, being they all create the S1 Protein (spike protein) in the human body one way or another, and they are injected "straight" into your muscle which puts the S1 Protein (Spike Protein) into your blood stream where it causes the damage.
There will be massive cardiac deaths in the coming decade from this, but they will be blamed on heart disease instead of the Covid-19 Deadly Shots that create the lethal S1 Protein (Spike Protein) that cause vascular and pulmonary diseases, et al.
The present study reports that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alone without the rest of the viral components is sufficient to elicit cell signaling in lung vascular cells. The treatment of human pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells or human pulmonary artery endothelial cells with recombinant SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit (Val16 – Gln690) at 10 ng/ml (0.13 nM) caused an activation of MEK phosphorylation. The activation kinetics was transient with a peak at 10 min. The recombinant protein that contains only the ACE2 receptor-binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit (Arg319 – Phe541), on the other hand, did not cause this activation. Consistent with the activation of cell growth signaling in lung vascular cells by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, pulmonary vascular walls were found to be thickened in COVID-19 patients. Thus, SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-mediated cell growth signaling may participate in adverse cardiovascular/pulmonary outcomes, and this mechanism may provide new therapeutic targets to combat COVID-19.
I’ve posted three studies proving the S1 Protein (Spike Protein) “alone” causes vascular and pulmonary damage.
Now this study in this posting proves the S1 Protein (Spike Protein) “alone” causes Pulmonary Hypertension.
Like the title of this thread states, the SARS-CoV-2 Covid-19 Shot Spike Protein Design is a Failure, and it will kill you.
ETA: This means if you do get the Covid-19 virus, you want to treat immediately with proven protocols to eliminate the virus before it gets into your lungs where it will get into your blood stream where you do not want the S1 Protein (Spike Protein) to get where it will allow the above described damage to occur.
Get it eliminated when it is just an upper respiratory infection (URI).
If you utilize a per diem basis, the vaccine has killed more people than the bolognavirus.
If they would not have broken federal law by changing the way deaths are recorded on Death Certificates, without going through the legal protocols to do so, there would have only been a little over 9,000 deaths recorded from Covid-19 by the way deaths were recorded for decades.
The shots are on track to match that 9,000 "true" deaths in a full year at the rate they have been given the first four months, plus some, because we know not all deaths are being reported.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
Cool, we each have to examine our own situation and play the odds we feel are best for us.
I only wish that each of us could make those decisions based on real facts rather than malicious fear mongering.
Lol!!! What has the mainstream media been doing for over a year? FEAR MONGERING!!! Every day, every hour! Only weak-minded cowards believe their BS. Congratulations on being a dum-azz, gullible, willing participant in the largest, evil psy-op in American history!! You are officially a genuine member of the Covid Cult!!! 🇺🇸😉🎉👍👏🥳
Cool, we each have to examine our own situation and play the odds we feel are best for us.
I only wish that each of us could make those decisions based on real facts rather than malicious fear mongering.
Lol!!! What has the mainstream media been doing for over a year? FEAR MONGERING!!! Every day, every hour! Only weak-minded cowards believe their BS. Congratulations on being a dum-azz, gullible, willing participant in the largest, evil psy-op in American history!! You are officially a genuine member of the Covid Cult!!! 🇺🇸😉🎉👍👏🥳
What MSM??????
I have not seen a news report on TV or read a newspaper for several years.
I like to get the FACTS from direct observation and/or real REPUTABLE sources.
In forty years with my employer, I have never seen a person from work hospitalized for the flu, or known anyone else that has been either.
This year we have had three from work sent to the hospital with Covid. Two of those spent several days in ICU. Five or six more, out of an entire workforce of sixty, spent more than a week flat on their back in bed, sicker than dogs with Covid.
There is not a one of them willing to volunteer for a second go around. I guess they are all just a bunch of pussies? RIGHT?????????
Two weeks ago, I mentioned my 63 year old sister was in ICU w/ ventilator in Walla Walla Wa. She has since been life flighted to Spokane. She is still in ICU in Spokane, but is now off the ventilator, over the hump, and expected to survive.
I wonder how many $100,000 that has cost?
I wonder if maybe she wishes she had gotten the Vax? Their Insurance Carrier certainly wishes she had.
A 55 year old cousin is still not able to return to work since November due to Covid long haul symptoms.
So go ahead you stupid fuggs that want to call me a liar. Go ahead and claim it is made up bullschitt.
I sincerely hope that no person of any importance to any of you has to suffer severe and malingering symptoms of this (so called) imaginary malady.
For myself, I will take my chances with the EFFECTIVE vaccine. We may not know anything about possible long term deleterious effects. But we do know it is effective at preventing the Covid.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
Of course, he is possibly right. We don’t even completely understand the mechanism by which this virus makes people sick, and yet we’re giving millions upon millions of people vaccines that at least temporarily, modify their genetic makeup.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
Of course, he is possibly right. We don’t even completely understand the mechanism by which this virus makes people sick, and yet we’re giving millions upon millions of people vaccines that at least temporarily, modify their genetic makeup.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
Of course, he is possibly right. We don’t even completely understand the mechanism by which this virus makes people sick, and yet we’re giving millions upon millions of people vaccines that at least temporarily, modify their genetic makeup.
It's a crime on a scale never before seen.
I’m thinking you are right. Too much fear, and just look at the big picture, people are really selling the “vaccine” hard. Billions of dollars to do so. Furthermore, and overnight, we’ve created more than a $20b industry, and that doesn’t contemplate yearly boosters, etc. Follow the money folks . . .
Elkslayer has absolutely been spot on all the way through this. He sees it clearly, people just don’t like his style, such is life.
"I like to get the FACTS from direct observation and/or real REPUTABLE sources."
What are some of those REPUTABLE sources? Did you read about any of the COVID-19 vaccines drug trail information on the producer's websites? Pfizer made no claim that their "vaccine" would give you any immunity to COVID-19 infections. Their drug trail information was removed from their website after the FDA gave emergency approval to the COVID-19 vaccines and antibody tests. The only one's claiming they will give you immunity to COVID-19 are the Democrat run FDA, the Democrat run CDC, the Democrat politicians, the Democrat controlled MSM and the Democrat run social media.
From what I've read these "vaccines'" trick your body into producing and artificial spike protein that your body will react to and create antibodies for. That's the definition of an auto-immune disease and nobody knows how long you'll have it or what health problems it will cause.
"I like to get the FACTS from direct observation and/or real REPUTABLE sources."
Here's some facts from some some reputable sources. I didn't know that the injuries caused by these "vaccines" will be kept secret until the drug trials are complete until I watched this video. A lot of gullible sheep will have been vaccinated by then.
Common sense says if Bill Gates wants you to get the jab as does Dr. Fauci, and all the MSM who we don't trust on anything else but here they are all honest. Really? No thanks. I'll take my chances.
The shots will kill more than the virus killed, and will kill millions in the years to come from the vascular and pulmonary diseases created from the S1 Protein (Spike Protein), and that doesn't even start to count the autoimmune diseases that will surface, and ultimately result in death.
I know this poster has been labeled a nut case by some, but he may be right with this. I'm going to opt out of the "vaccine" and take my chances since I'm pretty sure I've had it. And have had pretty good luck so far with never a flu shot, or anything else since I was a kid.
Of course, he is possibly right. We don’t even completely understand the mechanism by which this virus makes people sick, and yet we’re giving millions upon millions of people vaccines that at least temporarily, modify their genetic makeup.
COVID ‘vaccines’ risk “sterilising an entire generation of children”, as well as creating a “pandemic we cannot reign in” and “must be halted immediately”.
[]quote[] That was the chilling message to ‘The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’ (CDC) by a doctor with more than 30 years of scientific experience in toxicology and mechanistic biology.
Dr Janci Chunn Lindsay, who holds a doctorate in biochemistry and molecular biology from the University of Texas, believes the current batch of ‘vaccines’ – distributed only under Emergency Use Authorisation – are “gene therapy” and must be stopped due to safety concerns – believing they are actually “making the pandemic worse”.
In worrying developments worldwide, Governments are now increasing the pressure on parents to have their children ‘vaccinated’, despite kids being at virtually no risk of death from Covid-19. []quote[]
Trust your vaccine and STFU. Some of you sound like teenage girls who discovered veganism and have decided that they are enlightened. Perhaps better life choices would have kept some out of the high risk category.
I’m content on waiting until all of you dumb azz, drunk/high losers that love to ridicule Elk start dropping like flies, because you were stupid enough to trust Kill Hates who financed the “Covid vaccine”; and were too lazy/drunk to research this plandemic for yourself!! LOL!!! You arrogant bastards deserve every consequence of you’re stupidity. BYE 😉
Yes, that’s your feeble attempt to counter an argument that you are not able to overcome intellectually! Let’s just label someone as “crazy” cause we are too dumb to defend our own position with our brains!! LOL!!! You can’t make this sheet up!! ROTFL!!😂🤣
Bookmark the above channel and plan to check back Sunday at 4PM Central Time for four hours of call-ins from health care workers, physicians, nurses, EMS and families who have seen deaths and serious effects from the CV 19 Shots....aka. "Vaccines."
There's already some who called earlier with first hand reports. You have to go to the home page to find them.
I’m content on waiting until all of you dumb azz, drunk/high losers that love to ridicule Elk start dropping like flies, because you were stupid enough to trust Kill Hates who financed the “Covid vaccine”; and were too lazy/drunk to research this plandemic for yourself!! LOL!!! You arrogant bastards deserve every consequence of you’re stupidity. BYE 😉
What about us drunk/high losers that love to ridicule Elk but also think the shot is for the Covtards? Where do we fit in all of this?
I’m content on waiting until all of you dumb azz, drunk/high losers that love to ridicule Elk start dropping like flies, because you were stupid enough to trust Kill Hates who financed the “Covid vaccine”; and were too lazy/drunk to research this plandemic for yourself!! LOL!!! You arrogant bastards deserve every consequence of you’re stupidity. BYE 😉
Me making fun of Notanelkslayer has nothing to do with his rantings on Covid. He’s a lying sack of crap!
Yes, that’s your feeble attempt to counter an argument that you are not able to overcome intellectually! Let’s just label someone as “crazy” cause we are too dumb to defend our own position with our brains!! LOL!!! You can’t make this sheet up!! ROTFL!!😂🤣
Elkslayer is a twit along the line of happycamper and the rest of the lunatics that seem to gather, you aren't looking too promising either.
You'd have to be a complete idiot to encourage a healthy 19 years old to get the shot. Their risk level for COVID19 is something on the order of being struck by lighting while in your basement.
COVID ‘vaccines’ risk “sterilising an entire generation of children”, as well as creating a “pandemic we cannot reign in” and “must be halted immediately”.
[]quote[] That was the chilling message to ‘The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’ (CDC) by a doctor with more than 30 years of scientific experience in toxicology and mechanistic biology.
Dr Janci Chunn Lindsay, who holds a doctorate in biochemistry and molecular biology from the University of Texas, believes the current batch of ‘vaccines’ – distributed only under Emergency Use Authorisation – are “gene therapy” and must be stopped due to safety concerns – believing they are actually “making the pandemic worse”.
In worrying developments worldwide, Governments are now increasing the pressure on parents to have their children ‘vaccinated’, despite kids being at virtually no risk of death from Covid-19. []quote[]
This guy doesn't understand that it's all intentional. They wanted a massive dying off in the developed world in order to institute their Great Reset, which is a transition to worldwide despotism ruled over by a tiny elite. But it's for the good of humanity, don't you know.
I’ve told you people for months this is a Genocide, and the shots are in violation of International Law.
COVID Fraud – Lawyers & Medical Experts start legal proceedings against W.H.O and World Leaders for ‘Crimes against Humanity'
A team of over 1,000 lawyers and over 10,000 medical experts led by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich have begun legal proceedings against the CDC, WHO & the Davos Group for crimes against humanity.
[]quote[] In addition to the flawed tests and fraudulent death certificates, the “experimental” vaccine itself is in violation of Article 32 of the Geneva Convention. Under Article 32 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV, “mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person” are prohibited. According to Article 147, conducting biological experiments on protected persons is a grave breach of the Convention.
The “experimental” vaccine is in violation of all 10 of the Nuremberg Codes which carry the death penalty for those who seek to violate these International Laws.
[]quote[] A peer-reviewed research has claimed that global ivermectin use can end the COVID-19 pandemic, as the medicine significantly reduces the risk of contracting the deadly respiratory disease when used regularly. The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for COVID-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over.
Peer reviewed by medical experts that included three US government senior scientists and published in the American Journal of Therapeutics, the research is the most comprehensive review of the available data taken from clinical, in vitro, animal, and real-world studies.
Led by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), a group of medical and scientific experts reviewed published peer-reviewed studies, manuscripts, expert meta-analyses, and epidemiological analyses of regions with ivermectin distribution efforts all showing that ivermectin is an effective prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19.
"We did the work that the medical authorities failed to do, we conducted the most comprehensive review of the available data on Ivermectin," said Pierre Kory, MD, president and chief medical officer of the FLCCC. "We applied the gold standard to qualify the data reviewed before concluding that ivermectin can end this pandemic."
A focus of the manuscript was on the 27 controlled trials available in January 2021, 15 of which were randomized controlled trials (RCT's).
Consistent with numerous meta-analyses of ivermectin RCT's since published by expert panels from the UK, Italy, Spain and Japan, they found a large, statistically significant reduction in mortality, time to recovery, and viral clearance in COVID-19 patients treated with Ivermectin.
"Our latest research shows, once again, that when the totality of the evidence is examined, there is no doubt that ivermectin is highly effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19," said Paul E. Marik, founding member of the FLCCC and Chief, Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.
Many regions around the world now recognize that ivermectin is a powerful prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19. South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Mexico, and India have approved the drug for use by medical professionals.
The results, as seen in this latest study, demonstrate that the ivermectin distribution campaigns repeatedly led to "rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality".
"We are calling on regional public health authorities and medical professionals around the world to demand that ivermectin be included in their standard of care right away so we can end this pandemic once and for all," Marik noted.
** The above article has been published from a wire agency with minimal modifications to the headline and text.
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The news agencies are attempting to get ahead of the truth to cover their azzes for the fraud they have participated in with this Genocide of innocent around the whole world.
Everything I told you people in this thread months ago, which I backed up with hard scientific facts, is coming true unfortunately.
I stated you don't use a non-sterilizing shot when a virus you are attempting to suppress is active within a population, because it will create mutations which EVADE the shots (DELTA STRAIN). They almost made that mistake with the Polio vaccine, but they proved it will happen with the Covid-19 DEATHJAB.
I told you about ADE, and now it is happening.
Dr. Cole with more hard scientific proof from autopsies, from dead people who took the shots, to show how the SPIKE PROTEIN (This is what the shot creates, a DEADLY PATHOGENIC PROTEIN) damages the organs in the body, including your vascular system.
The biggest problem I see is many of us are having our hands forced on the issue. I have about 6 more weeks before I have to prove why I can't get the shot or face termination. I think if you want the shot you should most certainly be allowed to get it. I also think if you don't want the shot you should be allowed to make that decision without being punished. I should not have to face termination if I don't comply. I'll put up a good argument, but I also have things good here and don't want to walk away from the job.
The Dangers of Covid-19 Booster Shots and Vaccines: Boosting Blood Clots and Leaky Vessels
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The good news is that we are more comprehensively protected against COVID-19 by our own pre-existing immunity than was previously understood.
On the other hand, this pre-existing immunity aggravates the risk that COVID-19 vaccines will induce blood clotting and/or leaky blood vessels.
This risk must be expected to escalate with each re-vaccination. Vaccine-induced harm to our blood vessels is unlikely to be rare.
Perhaps the most pertinent finding is that, due to the discovery of a widespread memory-type antibody response to SARS-CoV-2, the antibodies induced by the COVID-19 vaccines can be expected to activate the so-called complement system. This can bring about the destruction of any cell that manufactures the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, particularly in the circulation. If that happens to the endothelia, that is, the cell layer that lines the inner surfaces of our blood vessels, then those vessels may begin to leak [6] and clots will form. Given that 2021 research showed the spike protein to enter the bloodstream shortly after vaccination [5], this dangerous endothelial involvement in spike-production is highly likely, and should be expected to occur.
BUSTED! Doctor And Hospital Staff Scheme On How To Inflate COVID Numbers And Scare Non-Vaxxed Into Thinking They Are Going To Die
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Dr. Mary Rudyk, who previously served as Chief of Medical Staff for NHRMC, responds bluntly, saying she feels the hospital’s messaging needs to be “a little bit more scary for the public.”She then proposes including patients she characterizes as “post-COVID” in the hospital’s case count – the primary source of the outrage on social media.
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"I think we have to be more blunt, we have to be more forceful, we have to say something coming out, ‘you know you don’t get vaccinated, you know you’re going to die.’ I mean, let’s just be really blunt to these people"
I’m interested in the thrombocytopenia reports. Doesn’t seem to be a further expansion of analysis on that data.
Maybe the Pharms will put some petroleum based product in the shots to help with the clotting.......you know, like painters using thinners......yeah, that'll work......can't be any worse....
For the record, openvaers.com is a horsehite site and pulls "data" from many "sources" other than the CDC VAERS site. Its numbers are highly questionable and therefore completely unreliable.
“THESE PATIENTS DESERVE TO BE HEARD” -VAERS WHISTLEBLOWER
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In a Highwire exclusive, Deborah Conrad, a hospitalist physician’s assistant on the frontlines of the pandemic, pulls back the curtain on the complete lack and disregard in her hospital for reporting Covid vaccine injury to VAERS, this country’s only mechanism to track the safety of these rushed-to-market, mandated products. In riveting detail, including emails & recorded phone conversations, Conrad exposes the internal push to turn a blind eye to injuries and “tow the company line” that this vaccine is safe.
A vaxxed woman I know dropped dead yesterday of a massive heart attack. Might not be related, but it sure seems like cardiac events are on the rise.
They are, my bud had a mild heartattack, wifes cowoker had to start seeing a cardiologist after her shot. Buddies dad has had low blood pressure ever since getting them. But the important thing is that they are vaxxed.
“THESE PATIENTS DESERVE TO BE HEARD” -VAERS WHISTLEBLOWER
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In a Highwire exclusive, Deborah Conrad, a hospitalist physician’s assistant on the frontlines of the pandemic, pulls back the curtain on the complete lack and disregard in her hospital for reporting Covid vaccine injury to VAERS, this country’s only mechanism to track the safety of these rushed-to-market, mandated products. In riveting detail, including emails & recorded phone conversations, Conrad exposes the internal push to turn a blind eye to injuries and “tow the company line” that this vaccine is safe.
A vaxxed woman I know dropped dead yesterday of a massive heart attack. Might not be related, but it sure seems like cardiac events are on the rise.
Tragic. And, according to the above Project Veritas video, this rarely gets reported to VAERS, because those who would report it have every incentive (in most cases) to prefer adverse reactions not be associated with the vaccine. Too much money is being made on it to put that at risk.
A vaxxed woman I know dropped dead yesterday of a massive heart attack. Might not be related, but it sure seems like cardiac events are on the rise.
Last fall my mother died 1 week after her first shot. 1 day after my father got his 2nd shot he started having strokes, he died last thursday.
Sorry for your losses.
I forgot about another buddys mom that died after her shot. They went to the extreme to protect her, she lived with them....even remote learned their child so he wouldnt bring covid home from school. They were excited to get her the vax and she was one of the first. She spent two weeks in the hospital after the shot before they pulled the plug. His brother is a doc and had her flown to his hospital. He blames it on the protiens.
Watch the video again, slum, and you'll find your mistake.
Acknowledging you would be the mistake.
Yet "you" just "acknowledged" me which proves you're TWO STOOPUD (tm) to follow your own LOW I.Q. advice.
You can give away all the free sheit you want to on this website in your attempt to build your fake badazz persona on this website, but the intelligent people here know you're just a mentally sick cyber-stalker as you just proved once again with this posting harassing me in this thread where I'm trying to save lives.
Further more, you have a young son, and you're in the health industry where you see the damage and death from smoking and yet you're in your 50's and TWO STOOPUD to stop smoking, so your son won't have to grow up without a father from dying from cancer.
Don't get drunk, and post on the internet. There's nothing more embarrassing than an alcoholic who can't hold their liquor, but damn if it's not fun watching you closet commies trip all over yourselves when you humiliate yourselves in public.
Keep posting Ms. Nurse. It's fun watching you lose your edge......
Five groups are currently working to produce a vaccine for Covid 19. Four types have been used in the past for various applications. The only one that is untested is the mRNA vaccine. *If* I choose to get a COVID vaccine sometime in the future, it will be of a type which has been used successfully on multiple occasions,..such as the live attenuated virus vaccine or the inactivated virus vaccine.
But the infection rates are dropping so fast at this point, that it seems quite possible that herd immunity will be reached before I need to get any vaccine.
Looks like the disease rates started jumping up again - after people started getting the jab.
Sweden, Denmark Pause Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine for Younger Age Groups
"A Moderna spokesperson said in an email the company was aware of the decisions by regulators in Denmark and Sweden to pause the use of its vaccine in younger individuals because of the rare risk of myocarditis and or pericarditis."
Sweden, Denmark Pause Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine for Younger Age Groups
"A Moderna spokesperson said in an email the company was aware of the decisions by regulators in Denmark and Sweden to pause the use of its vaccine in younger individuals because of the rare risk of myocarditis and or pericarditis."
Love this quote from the article you posted: “ The Danish Health Authority said it had made the decision even as "heart inflammation is an extremely rare side effect that often has a mild course and goes away on its own".
Often has a mild course and goes away on its own….. you know, like the chink flu.
No idea what’s going on, but whatever it is, it’s been planned for years, globally organized, heavily financed and is not in my best interests. No way in hell anyone is injecting me with that scheit.
A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products
"We used VAERS data to examine cardiac AEs, primarily myocarditis, reported following injection of the first or second dose of the COVID-19 injectable products. Myocarditis rates reported in VAERS
were significantly higher in youths between the ages of 13 to 23 (p<0.0001) with ∼80% occurring in males.
Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males.
When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection."
I warned you people about this several months back.
We now have the proof the Covid-19 shots do not stop you from getting the disease nor does it stop you from transmitting the disease once infected.
The VEI actually causes cases to be more severe for the people that take the shot that does not work once they become infected.
Everyone who has taken the shot is in danger of getting a case much worse than if they had gotten a case without having had the shot, and the resulting damage the shot creates in their body.
There is no telling what long-term damage these shots will have done to people’s immune system.
This Winter Flu / Cold season will be dangerous for those who have taken the shot, because of the higher percentage increase to infection, and experiencing a more severe case.
For those who have comorbidities (High B/P, Diabetes, Overweight, etc), and took the shot to protect them self being they are high risk, the shot actually does the opposite, makes their infection more severe.
MM879, I tried to warn ya about engaging with this loon... sheesh.
What you are trying to engage with here is a very unhappy and quite possibly psychiatrically ill person, who happens to have an above-average level of intelligence. Such persons abound. In an actual community of real people with real, face-to-face interactions, these people are brought up fairly sharply for their antisocial behavior, and they either learn to behave more politely or they are shunned. In the context of this forum, the individual is able to spew his vitriol all over the place without negative consequence to himself, so there is no hope of ending his foul behavior.
The purpose of verbal discourse on a topic such as, oh, say, the current offerings of SARS-CoV2 immunizations, is normally to share information among the participants, and thereby to enlighten everyone to the same degree. If specific points of information are in dispute, the pros and cons of those points and the supporting information is discussed and more often than not these points of contention end up being "let's agree to disagree" until further evidence comes forward from the research community. Eventually, consensus on one or more major points is achieved, and everyone leaves the conversation more informed than they arrived.
This elkslayer91 person is not interested in discussing matters in this manner. His/her purpose is to browbeat, to insult, to attack ad hominem, and to declare himselfherself the "victor" in a contest that exists solely in his/her own mind. Here are some examples of this person's deranged thought processes that I picked up just from this single post:
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
This isn't a vaccine, so you're lying there. Even the manufs admit it doesn't keep you from becoming infected with the virus.
Here we see an example of this person's remarkable thinking. S/he claims a definition of "vaccine" that is uniquely his own (it must prevent infection), and not surprisingly, it is a simplistic definition that no actual immunologist would ever use, but which suits his black-or-white-only thought process.
A quick look at an immunology or virology text book will tell you that a vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. This is a far more broad, yet more specific definition than the silly definition elkslayer insists on.
And here's the point: you can't have an argument with someone who won't follow the rules of logical discourse, the first of which is to accept common definitions of terms.
If s/he won't agree on basic definitions of terms, how can you "prove" anything to him/her? Since s/he is not willing to even start the discussion from an agreed starting point, there is no possibility of "proving" any point to him/her that s/he has not already arrived at.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
You clowns in the medical industry keep chirping vaccine to brainwash the public
Ah, yes... here s/he uses a derogatory term in an attempt to diminish his adversary (which is apparently you and me and others with expertise in the biomedical STEM fields) in order to maintain his/her moral high ground.
Yes, it's grade-school tactics, but hey, s/he thinks it works, so s/he'll keep on doing it.
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
Repeat the lie until it becomes truth. That makes you a criminal for pushing a fraudulent statement.
Now s/he is giving us the benefit of his/her legal training and expertise, advising us that we have transgressed the criminal code and are subject to the penalties thereof. The ego of this individual is truly grandiose. I note that s/he accused you (or maybe me, or someone else, I can't remember as I was just skimming) of gaslighting, which is of course a classic accusation of the person who is in fact actively gaslighting others. S/he thinks we are too stupid to see that s/he is doing it himself/herself.
MM879, I will not attempt to dissuade you further from engaging with this unfortunate person, as you have already done so and you're clearly committed to the task, but please do be aware of the tactics s/he uses and try to counter them as you formulate your responses. Good luck.
For close to one year, I loaded this thread of mine with scientifically proven irrefutable evidence proving these shots are deadly, and a complete failure. All you proved is that you are a mentally deranged pathological lying cyber stalker, along with the other mentally deranged pathological lying cyber stalkers, and none of you had any evidence whatsoever to support your lies.
Unfortunately the nightmare has come true as to how devastating the total death toll will be across the globe.
I wish I was wrong, but news just came out I am right, unfortunately.
1:2,300 - One(1) Death per 2,300 doses given from the shots.
We are looking at matching the total death level across the world of Chairman Mao.
This does not even include long-term death rates which takes time for those numbers to develop, 4-5+ years, from autoimmune diseases that create cancers and other diseases.
This will be economically devastating as businesses will be difficult to stay open due to no available employees.
Interview with a mortician describing the weird blood clots they have never seen before.
EXCLUSIVE: Embalmer reveals 93% of cases died from the vaccine Anna Foster is an embalmer with 11 years of experience in Carrollton, MO. In this exclusive interview, she reveals that 93% of her last 30 cases died due to clots from the COVID vaccine.
Anna Foster is an embalmer with 11 years of experience in Carrollton, MO. She speaks out for the first time in this exclusive interview:
The current numbers put together by the worlds leading data scientists are showing a 1:30 ratio of people dying or becoming permanently maimed from the deathly Covid-19 shots over their lifetime.
Wife and I have been preaching this gospel for a WHILE. Selectively. Some just don’t want to hear it. It is a diabolical issue brought upon us. Too many sources to quote. My extended family has survived the disease brought to us by chairman Xi, middle aged and hour older l, by Gods grace, and proper medication. Facts are available and are increasing. The more one learns the more diabolical it is. The only science these demons have followed is the science of death and destruction. “kill, steal, and destroy” and that is a fact.
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