whent to the LGS today ,owner said his Federal Rep. what ever that is said Biden is talking of having thEPA ban lead bullets ,for hunting ,I asked if that went for target shooting at the range ,but his mask muffled the answer ,and there was others there talking so did not ask again Anybody else hear of this?and is it a total ban ?or just a ban on hunting with them?

LOL...

Yeah.

Biden can hold his breath for me to comply.

I’m sure anything and everything is being discussed; could see it happening on federal land, similar to the rollout of steel shot in the 80s. Federal wildlife refuges first and then state ...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210401/judge-affirms-hunters-can-use-traditional-ammo-in-nra-case

Federal ammunition sales representitive.

I haven’t been in a gun shop yet where I’ve seen them wear a mask.

I agree! Trouble is Biden ain’t running the show.

My last trip to a gun shop, employees were not wearing masks, but they had the gall to require customers to wear them.

That would be my last trip to that shop.

yup

Governors and State legislatures step in and tell him to GFH.

I'll preface this by saying I don't trust federal judges as far as a 98-pound weakling could throw one. However, some of the gross overreach being discussed by the Dems could lead to numerous cases where the Supreme Court could interpret the Commerce Clause in the way the Founders intended, greatly restricting the reach of the Federal government in a number of ways. Just imagine if a firearm/suppressor/accessory manufactured in a given state was not subject to federal regulation AT ALL as long as it remained in that state. That could happen.

I hope and pray that's what happens.

Mine too !

This is the tactic they used to close a lot of gun clubs on the east coast. They bankrupted gun clubs fighting lead abatement.

They will use any backdoor policy they can to hinder or eliminate firearm ownership.

California leads the nation. Already shut down new lead mining. I figure it will be part of the strategy.

LGS requires a mask. I am not going to give Polis and friends any excuse to pull the sales tax license. I do lick every gun though

That premise is being launched all over the U.S. right now, sir.

The Democrats don't give a chit about controlling guns or ammo. They just want to punish those who voted for Trump. their gun control crap is just a means to an end.

Ok thanks , that clears that up .I was thinking he was talking to a Federal Goverment agent ,did not even think of Federal ammo company ,

My local LGS told me Trump would be the POTUS until 2024...


Mostly.....they don't know the future any better then the average smart phone user

That is where you are wrong.

The Left has been attempting to take away Americans' guns since 1950. That is their preeminent agenda. They know they can never subjugate an armed populace.

Yeah, you're right.

They tried gun registration.
They wanted to outlaw Saturday night Specials (concealable handguns).
At one point they registered ammo at the point of purchase.
Now they want to outlaw AR15s.

But they want to let all the crooks who actually use guns for crime out of jail.

Maybe they will go after lead ammo because they realize they can't outlaw AR15s very well. In 1994 when they passed the AWB (what a joke) there were 400,000 ARs in the US. Now there are 20,000,000. That's a lot of voters to have mad at you.

No Fauxci follies requirements at mine.

Lead bullets and sinkers are specifically exempted from the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). Biden would have to amend TSCA which isn't going to happen anytime soon. If gun ranges follow the EPA "Best Management Practices for Lead at Outdoor Shooting Ranges" then there usually aren't any issues. If the range discharges lead into a waterway, this requires a NPDES (Federal discharge permit) or SPEDES (State delegated discharge permit) which won't be issued. If lead is being discharged into a waterway, the range has to be reconfigured so as not to shoot into the waterway.

What in the world are they going to do with the ranges at Camp Perry, Ohio? The "backstop" there is Lake Erie.

Lotta bullets and other ordinance fired in the lake since IIRC 1907, 08.

Unless I am mistaken none of the alphabet agencies have the constitutional authority to make laws. That authority rests with Congress. Conservative groups need to start filing lawsuits challenging the laws created by these unelected bureaucrats.

We still can use lead for target shooting and such, just not game animals in California.

Always seam like someone has their thumb on ya.

California has already done it. No lead bullets or shot for almost any hunting. No lead 22LR. No lead turkey loads. No Nosler Partitions, Core-lokts or Power Points. Billions of dollars of ammo rendered useless.

To make it a 1-2 punch, they outlawed mail-order ammo sales, so you can't get replacement hunting ammo either.

War is coming. Know who and where the enemy is in your backyard.

Because a condor can't get lead poisoning unless it's injested from an animal? Is that the reasoning for that law?

Trouble is Biden don't need no Agency or Congress, He'll sign EO and think that's it. King Biden.....

Great. No batteries for their electric cars, either.

Possible, but getting Bullet and ammo manufacturers to tell him to GFH might be much more difficult.

The Feds also have the power to control the States by threatening to cut off Federal Funding.

If The Uniparty is going to go down this road they will first ban all imports of lead based ammo, then increase regulations on lead imports and mining to the point it ends up cost prohibitive, then regulate US based bullet manufactures out of business, or drive the cost up so high that We The People simply can’t afford it.
That’s just for starters.

There's a certain element that likes to stir schitt up, and our crowd has plenty of them too. Have seen exactly zero about this in any news source. He may have the authority on federal lands, but the game belongs to the States. Before the advent of various non-toxic bullets this might have been a problem. Now it would merely be an inconvenience and expense.

I know many are convinced that lead bullet fragments are responsible for a lot of raptor deaths, and there’s evidence that they are very susceptible to lead poisoning, BUT based on my observations, raptors of all kinds are increasing around here, and I’ve never seen a dead one except ones killed by cars while eating roadkill, and the GH owl that died in my yard, likely from West Nile virus, according to the rescue folks. If there’s a problem, I’d say it’s minimal here.

Just another means to an end. They will never stop , until “congress shall make no law” is enforced.

TSCA was enacted in 1976. I've never been to Camp Perry, I find it hard to believe that there isn't any hard backstop and that high powered rifled rounds are being shot into Lake Erie where they can strike boaters, fishermen and swimmers. If that is the case, it could be an issue, I'm sure Lake Erie is a drinking water source for one or more municipalities.

They don’t seem too concerned about the raptor deaths caused by windmills🤷🏻‍♂️

oh,yes . they want more control of everyone. there number one agenda is taking our guns and ammo. everything else they want can happen after the guns are gone and you cant do a damn thing about it.

Bingo.

Those dead birds died for a good Liberal cause: over-priced and unreliable green energy. Raptors that died from ingested lead were killed by murderous Trump voters.

Believe it. There is no hard backstop. There are buoys and signs off shore warning boats away but often the matches have to be paused due to "boats in the impact area." We used to think that boaters thought the bullet impacts were fish jumping.

Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Toronto, and Montreal, among other cities, are all downstream from Camp Perry.

I have heard that lead in the water is no threat to human or animal life unless dissolved by stomach acids.

Congress passes the laws, agencies implement the laws via administrative code. They have far too much latitude to tweak these things.

Yes, we're seeing so many Bald Eagles now it's crazy. Just 10 years back it was rare to see one, but occasionally one could be seen, from a pair that was along a river in the valley. Now we see them all the time around our pond. A few years ago our pond turned over killing some bigger fish and there were perched all around our pond until all the dead fish were gone.

Just this past week we watched an Osprey take a fish from our pond. First time we've seen an Osprey here.

The buzzards, especially black buzzards, are everywhere. They may be having an effect on the number of Turkey (red head) buzzards though.

There's no shortage of any of them......

I did play around with some Barnes Tipped TAC-TX 120's yesterday in a single shot 30-30. Not because of lead concerns but they were available bullets to order.

I hypothesized this as a possibility when Obama got electrd.

Instead of takin bitches out to eat at red lobster and buying mossy oak weathertech floor mats, I was buying 6,7,8 lead shot game load

Hey is that a new coffee table? Naww baby, that’s my dove loads. 😃

i remember biden saying he wants to ban mail order ammo and gun parts all over the US also

My private land dove place got sold.
Lookin for another, got a few boxes of AA heavy trap.
Not coffee table sized

But then I normally limit out and run around 50% without cherry picking. Not great, but not horrible.

There are thousands of major US cities that have miles and miles of pure lead water pipe both above ground and below ground supplies homes and businesses.

Lead cannot be dissolved or broken down by water

Thats about as ignorant as covid masks etc... we dont' really care about doing it totally, we just want some so we can control you because its only about control...

Yep. Wife and I competed there from 89 to 04. Water is the only backstop. And had the matches paused more than a few times for boats in the impact.

1. I've done my duty and diligence to be prepared.
2. I watch my local govt like a hawk and never fail to let them know what I think of what they're doing.
3. I donate to those fighting for our rights alongside me.
4. I advise everyone around me to do the same.

Too many ostriches here with their heads buried in the sand worrying about their f'ing food plots, and not thinking about what THEY are going to eat in the future. It's amazing.

Well said.

"On April 1st, the judge held that the Forest Service is not disposing any waste by allowing hunters to hunt in accordance with state laws. But the case had even bigger implications. The Plaintiff was asking the court to order the Forest Service regulate hunting. But the states own the wildlife, even while it is on federal lands. “Each national forest,” the judge said, “is required to cooperate with state wildlife agencies to allow hunting in ‘accordance with the requirements of State laws.”’ A ruling to the contrary would have given the federal government the authority to enter a field of regulation that belongs to the states on lands where hunting takes place. Those implications would be huge because 640-million acres (about twenty-eight percent of the country) is owned and managed by the federal government. Thankfully, the judge sided with NRA-ILA and Safari Club."

Tell it to Alaska.

The Feds have repeatedly violated our Statehood Act provisions with this and several other things.

As far as I am concerned, that should invalidate the contract and make Alaska a free country.

Good luck with that. Involuntary indenture seems to go only one way.... no backup there.