Look up what's in meth. It eats through you. See it everyday. We call the sores crack mites. The poison has to push itself out of the body ( it's not sweat ) and being tweekers, they pick at it continuously until it's all a seeping bloody mess. All of the fuels, etc. have to leave the body someway. Slumlord hit the nail on the head. Hate it but Heroin is really bad now also. That stuff is the Devil.................
Yes, meth heads, and we have lots of 'em here in the NC mountains, love Mountain Dew. [Funny how the different ethnic groups like different drugs. Crack for inner city Nigs, meth and oxycontin for hill billies.]
Meth heads will drink a gallon of Mountain Dew in a day. Mountain Dew has more sugar than Coca Cola and about 3 times the caffeine. So they get a cheap sugar and caffeine high, in between their ingestions of meth. And marinating the teeth in Mountain Dew all day causes tooth rot with all that sugar.
Somebody explain to me how meth does that to somebody's mouth versus other drugs??
Amphetamines, (meth,dextro, mescaline, tryptamine, cocaine, nicotine) are vasoconstrictors, as a pharmacological group.
While their basic chemical category may be different, ex. phenyletheylamines vs. tryptophan they contain amine groups.
Just like the natural vasoconstrictors, in your body -epinephrine, and norepy, - they cause the blood vessels to constrict and limit the amount of blood to that area. Over a period of time the cells die, and smoker's teeth, and gums are the result. Excess sugar really doesn't play a role here. Its role increases insulin resistance which causes wide swings in blood sugar, causing everything from lethargy to motormouth. (not getting into psychological behavioral swings).
Crack and cocaine snorting causes vasoconstriction when used in the nasal passages, and causes literal holes in the nasal septum. Shooters, see the same in the form of vein tracks.
This is why meth, cocaine, users, cannot be trusted and have no credibility. They have no idea what they said, promised, and in most cases what they have done.
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
A side diversion, but is there an insulin response with artficial sweeteners? And are diet soft drinks still a blood sugar catalyst
When I first met my Wife 38 yrs ago, she had a friend, very beautiful. We moved away and lost touch, I never saw her for 30 yrs then we went to visit someone and she was there.
My Wife says...you remember_______? .....I says...who? ...really?.....whooaaa Went from beautiful to disgusting skank I didn't recognize...sad.
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
A side diversion, but is there an insulin response with artficial sweeteners? And are diet soft drinks still a blood sugar catalyst
Having a mild debate with my old man.
Yes everything you ingest has an insulin response, one of the reasons,, fasting is so important, (most people do it for at least 8 hours while asleep). Problem is that supposed nutrition experts invented a scale which puts sucrose at the top, everything but type I diabetes should be relabeled insulin resistant --- not type II or late mature onset bullshhhet
One right across the way here, been to the big house several times. Possession and selling and grand theft and grand theft auto. Started with alcohol then pot. Lots of full tattoos to cover the tracks. Not only a rotten mouth, half skeletal too. Tells me his life story whenever I get caught outside. Yes, a hardcore addict and thief. Recently graduated to heroin since the meth isn't doing the job anymore. Lots of guests at all hours. No pot to pi$$ in, grandma's window to throw it out of. Relatives enabled from day one
But said despicable things about Baron Trump, a child.
Don't forget the Dims went after the Bush children, Sarah Palins Downs Syndrome child, Crystal Palin and others. Attacking opponents children is boiler plate in the Dimocrat playbook, just one of the reasons Dims are such vile, slimey creatures.
Bad teeth are the least of meth, crack, and addiction problems.
Off the subject, but while I have the soap box.
The public conception of drug addiction and gender is the big problem and caused by the public education system.
ADH was not even recognized until the early 2000s
Contamination of the envoirment and food supply by estrogenic mimic chemicals (BHA ex.) is still not recognized on a large scale.
A large percentage of ADH is late ADH 30 years or older- meth solves their problem. Wonder if they could have been helped if seen when young?
Lots of sex changes occurring in teenagers and early 20s.. Hmmm wonder what would happen if the boy to girl and been given aromatase inhibitors, and the girl to boy - progesterone.?
Politics aside, I can't imagine how any father could let his child do this to themselves. It's probably one of the worst forms of self destruction you can cultivate.
Politics aside, I can't imagine how any father could let his child do this to themselves. It's probably one of the worst forms of self destruction you can cultivate.
what can you do to a grown man........kids...teenagers......young men and women.....older people......need to take the blame for their actions....bob
I know a guy that had lost like 9 teeth before he was even 40. Smokes and lives off monster drinks. It's odd because he does brush, but taking a bath I monsters apparently is bad for teeth 😬
One right across the way here, been to the big house several times. Possession and selling and grand theft and grand theft auto. Started with alcohol then pot. Lots of full tattoos to cover the tracks. Not only a rotten mouth, half skeletal too. Tells me his life story whenever I get caught outside. Yes, a hardcore addict and thief. Recently graduated to heroin since the meth isn't doing the job anymore. Lots of guests at all hours. No pot to pi$$ in, grandma's window to throw it out of. Relatives enabled from day one
The enablement is the problem, (seen in alcoholism the most, because of the larger numbers,)
The biggest enablement is now being seen in reduction of criminal penalties, and in some large liberal cities actual pardons.
“Meth mouth” is characterized by severe tooth decay and gum disease, which often causes teeth to break or fall out. An examination of the mouths of 571 methamphetamine users showed: 96% had cavities 58% had untreated tooth decay 31% had six or more missing teeth The teeth of people addicted to methamphetamines are characterized by being blackened, stained, rotting, crumbling and falling apart. Often, the teeth cannot be salvaged and must be removed. The extensive tooth decay is likely caused by a combination of drug-induced psychological and physiological changes resulting in dry mouth and long periods of poor oral hygiene. Methamphetamine itself is also acidic.
Why do old people’s breath smell like total ass, especially at church?
older people, almost without exception, have uric acid problems. usually from pH problems and they have gout. some also have leakage from urine and feces.
the biggest cause, and I say this because from a physiological point, it is not the problem, its the publics.
reduced stomach acidity, this causes the stomach to close off, and the motility of the lower intestines to decrease. Now, the food that has been in the stomach is not effected by the HCL acid and enzymes and moved through to make turds. The stomach is turned into a fermentations chamber - no different than making sauerkraut, but different strains of bacteria that can grow without oxygen. The smell will wipe you out.
They would be helped by taking 650 HCL capsules before eating, and probiotics.
“Meth mouth” is characterized by severe tooth decay and gum disease, which often causes teeth to break or fall out. An examination of the mouths of 571 methamphetamine users showed: 96% had cavities 58% had untreated tooth decay 31% had six or more missing teeth The teeth of people addicted to methamphetamines are characterized by being blackened, stained, rotting, crumbling and falling apart. Often, the teeth cannot be salvaged and must be removed. The extensive tooth decay is likely caused by a combination of drug-induced psychological and physiological changes resulting in dry mouth and long periods of poor oral hygiene. Methamphetamine itself is also acidic.
Actually methamphetamine is basic, is an amine. The crystal salt is methamphetamine HCL , the HCL is the acidic part,... The subucal, under the tongue, is the best way to take absorb any drug, triturates, lozenges, RDTs , gummy bears. and is used in formulation of about 10% of all medication used.
the dose of meth is in the mg. range, and the total acid content is about the same as a tablespoonful of vinegar.
Politics aside, I can't imagine how any father could let his child do this to themselves. It's probably one of the worst forms of self destruction you can cultivate.
This "child" is a grown man his 50's with privilege few will ever know.
They only thing child-like about him is a history of making horrible life choices and having his old man's standing bail him out.
Any truth to the anecdotes that prolonged periods of not eating leads to calcium deficiencies in methheads, while staying awake longer means continued use of muscles which need calcium to function, which leads to the body making use of stored calcium in teeth and bones?
Seems to me that 9 days without sleep, "tweaking" on the dashboard of the schitbox car in the driveway, while not consuming any calcium containing food would have one's body finding calcium where available.
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
I don't know where you are getting your information etoh. Did you just say there is no sugar in Mountain Dew?
"Why Mountain Dew Is Worse Than Other Types of Soda
There is no such thing as a healthy soda. However, Mountain Dew is the worst type of soda that you can drink. Dentists stated that this beverage causes the teeth to decay at an astonishing rate. In fact, soda can be just as damaging to the teeth as meth.
The sugar content is the main factor that makes Mountain Dew worse than other sodas. One serving of “The Dew” has 11 teaspoons of sugar. One serving of Coca Cola only has 9 grams of sugar, which is a lot already. Mountain Dew also has a lot of citric acid in it, which will soften your enamel.
Additionally, Mountain Dew has a pH level of 3.3. This level of acidity is enough to do some serious damage to your teeth. With that said, it’s best for you to avoid drinking any type of soda, but Mountain Dew in particular."
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
I don't know where you are getting your information etoh. Did you just say there is no sugar in Mountain Dew?
"Why Mountain Dew Is Worse Than Other Types of Soda
There is no such thing as a healthy soda. However, Mountain Dew is the worst type of soda that you can drink. Dentists stated that this beverage causes the teeth to decay at an astonishing rate. In fact, soda can be just as damaging to the teeth as meth2.
The sugar content is the main factor that makes Mountain Dew worse than other sodas. One serving of “The Dew” has 11 teaspoons of sugar. One serving of Coca Cola only has 9 grams of sugar, which is a lot already. Mountain Dew also has a lot of citric acid in it, which will soften your enamel.
A long line of unbranded soda bottles in various flavours and colors, the focus on the center of the line.
Additionally, Mountain Dew has a pH level of 3.3. This level of acidity is enough to do some serious damage to your teeth. With that said, it’s best for you to avoid drinking any type of soda, but Mountain Dew in particular."
Interesting. Most of the druggies I know Mountain Dew is their soda choice. They are all in lock step to the supply.
When I drink a pop without any alcohol it’s mtn dew. Don’t drink but a can every couple weeks now, but in my late teens and early 20s I drank a lot of it. Had a case of it beside the case of High Life. Both room temp, amazingly enough with all my teeth sans wisdoms lol
And have never smoked meth yet.
But I’m still youngish. Who know what the future holds.
“Meth mouth” is characterized by severe tooth decay and gum disease, which often causes teeth to break or fall out. An examination of the mouths of 571 methamphetamine users showed: 96% had cavities 58% had untreated tooth decay 31% had six or more missing teeth The teeth of people addicted to methamphetamines are characterized by being blackened, stained, rotting, crumbling and falling apart. Often, the teeth cannot be salvaged and must be removed. The extensive tooth decay is likely caused by a combination of drug-induced psychological and physiological changes resulting in dry mouth and long periods of poor oral hygiene. Methamphetamine itself is also acidic.
Actually methamphetamine is basic, is an amine. The crystal salt is methamphetamine HCL , the HCL is the acidic part,... The subucal, under the tongue, is the best way to take absorb any drug, triturates, lozenges, RDTs , gummy bears. and is used in formulation of about 10% of all medication used.
the dose of meth is in the mg. range, and the total acid content is about the same as a tablespoonful of vinegar.
the dry mouth is probably a bigger contributor.
Yes, but you're talking about real amphetamines made in a lab, not some hillbilly homebrew cooked up in a trailer with Draino.
Any truth to the anecdotes that prolonged periods of not eating leads to calcium deficiencies in methheads, while staying awake longer means continued use of muscles which need calcium to function, which leads to the body making use of stored calcium in teeth and bones?
Seems to me that 9 days without sleep, "tweaking" on the dashboard of the schitbox car in the driveway, while not consuming any calcium containing food would have one's body finding calcium where available.
Include not enough Vit D, and change in parathyroid hormone for Ca and (aldosterone, not on Ca, but blood pressure) changes in circadian rhythm (serotonin balance) and your going to get osteoporosis
Drinking quart, after quart per day of sugary soft drinks is not bad for the teeth?
compared to the bad effect on insulin resistance ------ No (effects entire body)
compared to the vascular effects No (effects entire body)
most of the large consumption of soft drinks, don't use sugar anyway they use azulfamine, and sugar subs. while they have less insulin stimulating effect than sucrose/glucose they still have some.
I don't know where you are getting your information etoh. Did you just say there is no sugar in Mountain Dew?
"Why Mountain Dew Is Worse Than Other Types of Soda
There is no such thing as a healthy soda. However, Mountain Dew is the worst type of soda that you can drink. Dentists stated that this beverage causes the teeth to decay at an astonishing rate. In fact, soda can be just as damaging to the teeth as meth.
The sugar content is the main factor that makes Mountain Dew worse than other sodas. One serving of “The Dew” has 11 teaspoons of sugar. One serving of Coca Cola only has 9 grams of sugar, which is a lot already. Mountain Dew also has a lot of citric acid in it, which will soften your enamel.
Additionally, Mountain Dew has a pH level of 3.3. This level of acidity is enough to do some serious damage to your teeth. With that said, it’s best for you to avoid drinking any type of soda, but Mountain Dew in particular."
not saying no sugar in Mt. Dew, saying all methheads do not restrict their soda to mt. Dew. actually the citric acid is good for you , goes straight into the Krebs cycle without stimulating insulin, while coke has phosphoric acid.
No soda is the best, and any sugar is bad from the insulin resistant point of view not the the dental point of view.
some sources show only 3.8 gms per 12 fl. oz for Mt. Dew it would seems the sources out there cant even agree
A substance with a pH less than 7.0 is considered an acid last I knew.
Pleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz
yu should read more chemical sources and less National Center for BIOLOGICAL information.
acids and bases can be defined by the presence of certain leaving groups, or on the Lewis concept (electrons). in organic compounds they can be defined by their envoirment such as benzene which can be a base.
acid and bases can be morphological being either depending on what they are dissolved in.
and in some case they can be both, and acid and a base such as aprotic solvents DMSO as an example
When I drink a pop without any alcohol it’s mtn dew. Don’t drink but a can every couple weeks now, but in my late teens and early 20s I drank a lot of it. Had a case of it beside the case of High Life. Both room temp, amazingly enough with all my teeth sans wisdoms lol
And have never smoked meth yet.
But I’m still youngish. Who know what the future holds.
Meth doesn't have to be smoked, its orally active, cocaine, no,
under the tongue is the best administration, oral routes go through liver first and are conjugated to sulfates which loose about 1/2 or more of the active principle
“Meth mouth” is characterized by severe tooth decay and gum disease, which often causes teeth to break or fall out. An examination of the mouths of 571 methamphetamine users showed: 96% had cavities 58% had untreated tooth decay 31% had six or more missing teeth The teeth of people addicted to methamphetamines are characterized by being blackened, stained, rotting, crumbling and falling apart. Often, the teeth cannot be salvaged and must be removed. The extensive tooth decay is likely caused by a combination of drug-induced psychological and physiological changes resulting in dry mouth and long periods of poor oral hygiene. Methamphetamine itself is also acidic.
Actually methamphetamine is basic, is an amine. The crystal salt is methamphetamine HCL , the HCL is the acidic part,... The subucal, under the tongue, is the best way to take absorb any drug, triturates, lozenges, RDTs , gummy bears. and is used in formulation of about 10% of all medication used.
the dose of meth is in the mg. range, and the total acid content is about the same as a tablespoonful of vinegar.
the dry mouth is probably a bigger contributor.
Yes, but you're talking about real amphetamines made in a lab, not some hillbilly homebrew cooked up in a trailer with Draino.
the home cooked type would be even less meth, by wt.than correctly done. it does not need HCL to be recrystallized. any tartrate salt would work.
medical doses run from 10 mg to 30 mg by oral route meaning pat. is getting blood levels below that.
higher doses run risk of seizures, especially by injection
When I drink a pop without any alcohol it’s mtn dew. Don’t drink but a can every couple weeks now, but in my late teens and early 20s I drank a lot of it. Had a case of it beside the case of High Life. Both room temp, amazingly enough with all my teeth sans wisdoms lol
And have never smoked meth yet.
But I’m still youngish. Who know what the future holds.
Meth doesn't have to be smoked, its orally active, cocaine, no,
under the tongue is the best administration, oral routes go through liver first and are conjugated to sulfates which loose about 1/2 or more of the active principle
I didn’t look to see if Hatari replied to this thread, but he’s a dentist, right? If that’s true, he’d have the real scoop.
I’ve got a fair understanding of autonomic drugs. What I don’t know is if legit (people with an Rx filled by a pharmacist) users of real, oral (pills) methamphetamine [Dexedrine] for appetite suppression, or whatever the indications were thirty/forty/fifty/sixty years ago had the same meth mouth problems. If they did not, my hypothesis is that most recreational users nowadays smoke it and the direct effect of a potent vasoconstrictor on the gingival tissue is the root cause of all the oral devastation - think periodontal disease on steroids.
This should all be embarrassment to The President and to us (US) but it’s not. Just another day.
Incapable of embarrassment or shame. D’s’ reflex is to double down.
Among Hunter’s dental and porn video and self-enrichment accomplishments was committing a felony by lying on a 4473. Of course, you first must be charged and convicted to be a felon.
Meanwhile, have-gun-will-travel felons and would-be multiple-felonies felons run free in our cities committing murder, but the Ds’ are chipping away at honest citizens’ gun rights.
No red-faced embarrassment or pause at all here. While I’m at it the D’s don’t follow the law; therefore, they are anti-law, thus lawless. The only conclusion is they are criminals.
Just read some of the other replies. Sorry if my input was redundant. With regard to urban vs. rural drugs
I believe I remember a time when law enforcement attributed that division to real estate (how close a cooker was to other neighbors aware enough and so-inclined to turn them in when they detected the offensive stench created whilst cooking) and economics. There was a time when it was so cheap to cook meth that the only downside was the smell which alerted neighbors to the operation. If you were far enough from your neighbor the stench was of no consequence. Impossible to be far enough away in an urban area, so paid the price (cocaine).
Maybe the neighbors caring is no longer an issue. Maybe the rest of the economic equation is kaput, too. No insight at all into how oxycontin fits into the rural picture, but there’s probably an angle.
Somebody explain to me how meth does that to somebody's mouth versus other drugs??
Acid-erosion, coupled with dry-mouth conditions.
Then factor in that meth heads eat and crave high sugar junk foods like old boomers. Just want to suck on ice cream cones like a kid.
Additionally the loss of inhibitions, lack of self care and hygiene, don’t give a fugg lifestyle, too high to be bothered with a routine.
The narcotics detective who gave us the seminar, said that the meth-heads mouth deterioration is primarily caused by the high temperature of the gases taken in when they are smoking meth. She said they will check the roof of a suspected meth-head to confirm meth use. A regular meth-head will have a white mouth roof. They literally cook their mouth roof. Gums also drawn back and the teeth rot.
She had photos of a young woman from age 18-35. Every year her mouth looked worse. By 35 she was losing her teeth and she looked 65. Meth does terrible damage to the mouth.
Drinking coffee around the clock to stay up worked for 36 hours. To stay up 3 days you need chewing tobacco, Mountain dew, Snickers and coffee. Never tried crack or meth but my teeth are shot. Radiation and chemotherapy will also ruin your teeth.
I think dentists would also tell you there’s a big correlation between periodontal disease and halitosis. Don’t know about the correlation between age and perio.
Drinking coffee around the clock to stay up worked for 36 hours. To stay up 3 days you need chewing tobacco, Mountain dew, Snickers and coffee. Never tried crack or meth but my teeth are shot. Radiation and chemotherapy will also ruin your teeth.
I didn’t look to see if Hatari replied to this thread, but he’s a dentist, right? If that’s true, he’d have the real scoop.
I’ve got a fair understanding of autonomic drugs. What I don’t know is if legit (people with an Rx filled by a pharmacist) users of real, oral (pills) methamphetamine [Dexedrine] for appetite suppression, or whatever the indications were thirty/forty/fifty/sixty years ago had the same meth mouth problems. If they did not, my hypothesis is that most recreational users nowadays smoke it and the direct effect of a potent vasoconstrictor on the gingival tissue is the root cause of all the oral devastation - think periodontal disease on steroids.
Yes as a said before it is the direct vasoconstrictor effect of the phenyletheramine on the tissue that causes the problem, just as the nicotine does from smoking.
The smell can be masked easily by make shift vent hoods, and lab hoods, the problem is highly flammable, ethers and ketones used in the "salting out" stages.
depends if its done by ketone (aldehyde) condensation or using Hydrogen gas and platinum catalyst as two examples.
Detective is only half correct. High temp are no different than smoking cigs. Everyone has first hand experience with the vasoconstrictor effects, an ephedrine rush, fight or flight. thats what makes your head pound.
amphetamine aren't quite that strong and both are dose related.
Hell, CNN will make Hunter into a shining victimized hero.
Already are, they are tripping over each other to do interviews with him and his new book deal. Ya worth millions, of course. In it he describes that when he ran out of meth he would snort cheese out of the carpet in the hope that some of it was meth.
Do we know that pic of Hunter's mouth isn't photoshopped?
Brings another question: if a legit selfie photo, who are you going to show that to that it would become public fare? Given his brilliant laptop fiasco, it seems reasonable it is.
If taken by the dentist for records and inadvertently made public, he/she would be guilty of breaking HIPAA laws for dentists.
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