New 22/250 Savage model 10. First cartridge chambered and ejected fine. Second went in most of the way with a bit of reluctance and then stopped. Now it won't come out and I have a loaded cartridge stuck. Extractor tore a bit of brass off and skipped over.

Would really rather not unscrew the barrel and go thru that hassle.

Anyone got tricks? Think I will pass on hammering a rod down the barrel lol

I always clean the barrel and chamber on a new gun. I skipped a step and here we are...

Set the rifle upright and pour some Kroil down the bore. Let it set overnight. THEN, put the rod down the bore and give it a little tap, should come right out..

It’s not rocket science , is it?

Easy. Cleaning rod down the barrel. Face muzzle (with rod in it) down range, but towards a post or wall. Shove the rifle muzzle, with rod inserted, into the post or wall. Out pops the stuck cartridge.

wooden rod and hammer

I read "face muzzle" and almost experienced a moment of TDS......then I continued reading...
Good process.
Remove the bolt first so you have one less thing flopping around.

Is the end of the barrel threaded? This would work. Messy though.



Piece of drill rod down the barrel is probably a lot easier.


Jerry

A squirt of penetrating oil, a 3/16” wood dowel, and a sharp rap with a mallet.

Hydraulics is your friend.

Jag on rod, into the muzzle, lower until it touches, mark your rod. Fill the bore partially w/Kroil. Now, get a very tight patch onto the jag and work the patch/jag down to create hydraulic pressure. If you're getting too close to the mark and you haven't popped the case out yet, remove the whole works, tighter patch, more Kroil, rinse-repeat.

Good, experienced suggestions above - i tend to prefer the hydraulic methods.

So far I have not tried the grease gun idea but the others are a no go so far.

Will keep trying to get it loose.

May just say the hell with it and unscrew the barrel

As a former helicopter mechanic, if at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer

Mike

What are you hitting the dowel with ? How big a hammer?

Have you tried air pressure? Like with a compressor and a nozzle?

Lol not hitting anything with a hammer. One of our members here did that and set off the round in the chamber.

I would not dump oil in barrel, you're asking for even bigger mess. Throw the barreled action in the freezer overnight, then try to gently tap it out. I'd pull barrel and grab head with locking pliers, but if you don't have the tools....

i have the tools. Just didn't want to dick with the whole process. Looks like I am going to anyway

Freeze trick works. I've done it, but needs to freeze overnight. The metals will contract

How about a hilti? They make an adapter to drive ground rods which should work in theory.

If you were super careful and lined up everything extremely precise, it may be possible to shoot it out with another rifle of same or smaller caliber also. I've never tried it or know anyone that has, but theres no reason it wouldn't work.

Alignment would be a minor concern.

My experience with badly stuck cartridges is minimal but successful. The hydraulic method spreads force against more surface of the bullet and case, and forces liquid into any available space between case and chamber, and avoids sharp blows on tip of bullet which might - - - - -.

On that Savage, I might choose to remove the barrel.

Tapped. Lost the slotted piece on my cleaning rod but it was better than ruining the threads by taking it out first.

It came out. Now time to examine and clean

Shuck another one up in there and see if it’s the gun.

Spray some Seafoam in there.

Get a can of butane or freeze off (break free type product that chills the target)
Try hitting the cartridge with that with a chemical heat pack around the chamber
(Shrink the cartrige, expand the chamber.)

That's how they set critical bearings...

Thats what i get for not reading all the way to the end...

Its free. All good.

I just set it up 200 yards away from my bench and fired up the red ryder and put a BB right down the bore.

Hold into the wind. Lol

It just hit me, you should take the bolt out of the gun with the stuck case, so it and the bullet from the other gun can exit the rear of the action. And wear ear plugs. Safety first.

You know what renegade would say.... Pics or it never happened.

High BC bbs are the way to go.

We will be curious to hear if that cures the problem. Were you shooting factory ammo?

Glad you got it!

Mike


Jackmountain got me though and for that I am ashamed!!!


Mike

Just for clarity... Are you saying somebody on the Fire had a cartridge stuck in the bore, put a rod down the muzzle end of the bore to tap/push the cartridge rearward out of the chamber, tapped the rod against the bullet to jar the round loose and ignited the primer?

That is correct.

they were smoking crack too

I worry about that happening whilst out hunting...that is why I carry a 3 pc rod in my hunting pack.

take it to a real gunsmith and let him fix it period.

Guess some folks don't shoot muzzle loaders..

This was a cartridge which was loaded from new brass. Something caused it to be too big to chamber or a tiny bit of something in the chamber.

Why LOL? That is the correct thing to do and it's safe unless you have the bolt closed.

Remember, the cartridge doesn't contain the pressure, the barrel / chamber steel do that, the cartridge case is just a high pressure gasket. with the bolt open, even if the cartridge does fire (which it won't), it'll just blow the back of the case out through the action, it won't send the bullet, or the rod, out hard enough to be a problem.

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You could also hold the bolt against the base of the stuck cartridge as tight as possible and squeeze the trigger. I would squint real hard and look to the side just in case.

Thought of that one. Hold into the danger.

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Bob you're really enjoying this lol

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That

Beat on the back of the bolt with a rubbber mallet till you can get it closed, then pull the trigger. Easy Peasy.

Just FYI again...I got it out already

Did the case give you any clues as to where it was stuck?

Headstamp said .308 😁

Oddly, no. Appears it just needed the shoulder pushed back but it was a new case...so...?

I woulda pounded the bolt closed and fired her off!

Glad you got it unstuck

Dropping a rod down the bore has always done it for me.

Remove bolt and hold upright. Smack stock on the ground butt first, should loosed it up. Gunsmith is next option.

I had case head separation today and got the case stuck in the chamber. I pushed an ear plug down the case and used plastic epoxy to fill the case. Once it hardened I just used my cleaning rod to tap it out. Easy.

Clever trick, I'll have to remember that.

Hydraulic method using oil and a lead slug with a wood dowel. The slug will seal at the muzzle easily. No different from slugging a bore with soft lead.

My friend Johns 300 Salvage. We determined he needs small base dies for this rifle.




I repaired the stock and got it back to him a a few months ago.

He set it off in his living room and never found most of the brass case.

Jesus Christ.

He musta really given that ramrod the ol' heeve-hoe.

LOL

I have a 30" brass dowel 1/4" diameter that works perfect. AIH for not to much I recollect .

I have a section of fifty cal cleaning rod welded to an ez out for just that eventuality.

I recall some story (40 years ago now) of a benchrest shooter getting a live round stuck and removing the bolt and tapping the catridge back out using a cleaning rod done the muzzle. The round detonated as it was ejected (how?) and a piece of thr brass hit his nearby wife in the chest causing a fatal injury. I thought this happened over here but don't have any details.

When I was experimenting with cast loads in my 458 I ran into an issue where the powder didn't ignite and the primer blew the projectile into the start if the rifling. It was surprisingly hard to remove and I ended up breaking and wedging a wooden dowel in the barrel. I had a gunsmith remove bullet and dowel for me - he melted out the projectile and then the dowel was knocked out.

I now have a steel rod with a 9mm case jammed on the end as a ramrod but haven't had to use it. Lesson learned was even medium powders are too slow for cast and ignition gets weird - hangfires are a warning sign.

There it is.

That bench rest story sounds like the one that happened in St. Louis Missouri at the super shoot. The case hit the wife in the heart and she died right there. I wasn’t there so I didn’t witness it but I know 2 guys that did. Wife stayed behind the rifle when the husband removed the bolt. He went to tap it out and it went off and launched the cleaning rod out of his hand. Everyone went to laughing because they thought no one got hurt then his wife discovered she had been hit in the chest. I know it doesn’t sound plausible but it happened some how. It might be why all the bench rest shooters quit neck sizing and started setting their shoulders back .002!!!

I asked for more information about this incident on another forum and a guy posted this link. Sound like it has happened more than once. https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?62124-Stuck-live-cartridge/page2

sell it outside a gunshow

#borelightsareforsissies

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Mystery solved. I resized all the brass after finding that a few more were very tight in the chamber.

Turns out a few in the mix were once fired, not new...primer pockets dirty, showing use.

Just a case of a rifle with a bigger chamber firing them and they got mixed in with a batch for a rifle with a smaller chamber.