local White Castle now closes at 7:30pm because they can't get workers
Arbys / Taco Bell stopped serving breakfast because they can't get workers
Was in Burger King this morning in the drive thru, woman left her headset on and I heard her telling someone else that they have one more person coming in at 8 and they're just going to have to live with it.

Every fast food place has a now hiring sign

Seems like if you wanted to make $15 an hour there are plenty of opportunities for it around here.

That’s sucks.

I had kids, and know kids that worked in FF. The biggest biotch they all had was management. Poor management drives off workers. Unfair hour allotment....they have there favorites...

Heck when my one daughter was 16 she was closing a subway by herself. Later she went to work at Fudds’ and started assistant manager training after she turned 18.

If these employers are offering $15 and have no workers, then it seems that that wage is too low. If it takes $17.50 to get workers, then that is the fair wage in that market, no? That sounds like a sign of a good economy. Or maybe it just indicates that unemployment benefits are too high.

I don't know what they are offering as pay

Seems like they'd be offering whatever they had to in order to get people there. I have to believe missing out on 3-4 hours of business each day costs more than paying an additional $3 an hour , but maybe the math doesn't add up.

Market sets the wage, if management doesn't like it they can get off their fat arses and do the work themselves.

Minimum is just that, the minimum they can legally pay...they can also pay anything over and above that, but rarely do, preferring to bitch about people not wanting to work...then importing foreign pricks to undercut the locals.

Simple, I do not support local business' that do not support locals.

we have a local neighborhood group on facebook and all people do is complain about how horrible the service is at these places. I think workers in these places are just burned out from Covid. There have been at least a dozen times in the last year where we wanted to grab a sandwich and the line was wrapped around the building in the drive thru.

I agree with your logic. In our business we try to hire the best people we can find, treat them well, and pay them enough to keep them. In the long run, I think we come out way ahead this way, rather than going cheap and having lots of turnover. Looking around, it is apparent that not all employers agree with this idea.

Too many workers getting "paid" to stay home. The two local grocery stores I shop both have card tables with stacks of application forms and pens on them. No one applies.

I’m guessing the problem has nothing to do with management.

Maybe giving children IPhones when they’re 10 years old?

I tend to agree, the market does set the wage and if there are no workers, sitting around talking about how you shouldn't have to pay a guy to make a sandwich more than minimum means that someone else will.


and flooding the market with illegals to do the work doesn't help the American worker - which leads to a host of other problems in society we have to deal with (and pay for )

A friend of mine is a millionaire multiple times over, he was complaining to me how he can't get good people at his company, which isn't fast food, they are a manufacturer and we were talking about what he paid them , he said "yea, I guess they'd rather work at Burger King than work for us"

now I know why he is a millionaire, it ain't from paying a decent wage.

It think JSTUART just summed up my philosophy in 21 words. Not much to argue with there!

My family is helping all small business....for get all small restaurants we do not go out to eat at all....hope they all go out of business.....
Very simple solution don't pay unemployment go back to the rules we had before the Covid bull sh*t.....

I think part of the problem is that America has raised a generation of lazy, entitled kids. "Mommy and Daddy will by me a car, pay for school, reward me for minimal to no effort". I remember wanting a parts bike to combine with mine that became available for $5. I was about 10. Dad said, "It's good to have goals".

Fact.

My wife has a niece who started clerking in a C-store, minimum wage. She wasn't afraid to work and was soon managing the store. Now she's a regional manager for the chain making near 6 figures. Of course she wasn't a dropout or a druggie like so many kids. She has the smarts and uses them.

My son just posted a hiring notice on Facebook soliciting entry-level employees for the power plant where he works. It’s a utility position, no particular skills required, just show up and do what you’re told. (It’s where he started 10 years ago, and after 5 years became an operations supervisor with a 6 figure salary, so advancement is very possible.) Not long ago, people would have been lined up for the jobs before the notice was made public. Now they have to go looking (on Facebook no less.)

Actually, facebook is getting very popular for classifieds. My wife uses it quite a bit. No guns, of course.

That's part of it for sure.


That too..


ABSOlutely!!!! Work ethic's in the toilet - and that (IMHO) is a lack of parenting..

The big grocery store chain around here is Ingles. I shop there and it is a great store. There are at least 100 Ingles stores in several states.
Two months ago Ingles bigwig management decided to install a Starbucks in our local Ingles. They spent a lot of money, they remodeled the entrance and tore up the floor installing plumbing and wiring etc. They are soon going to build the Starbucks inside the grocery store.

I was talking to the assistant manager he says he has been mandated to hire 13 new employees and he just can't get the kids to hire on to work at Starbucks. This store is right next to the high school so a kid could get out of school at 3 and walk right over and work until 9 and his mom could come pick him up.
The assistant manager told me "The kids are afraid of work."

I don't know what the pay is. When I was in school I worked for 2 years at minimum wage as a bag boy at the local grocery store. I had 6 buddies from high school who worked at that same store and some of the girl students were cashiers there. Everybody I knew had a job in 12th grade.

I think the kids today are lacking a work ethic.

I had some friends who bought their daughter a car for graduation....from drivers training. The 1st week she hit 2 cars in the school parking lot.

Other than it is ignoring a really goddam important factor. The government has been printing and handing out a lot of money lately in the form of stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits.

The guy that lives next door has a 30 something son that runs a grill at a local place. He told me he can make more staying home right now with the current temporary unemployment programs. He doesnt care to sit at home with his dad 24/7 so he decided to to take a cut in pay and go back to work. I have heard that from several wait staff at places I eat. Employers needing to hire unskilled labor are competing with the government programs for workers.

Ya think?

Taco Bell breakfast ?!

LMAO

I've been seeing the same thing here in Northern Michigan. FF closing early, not serving breakfast, or closing a couple of days a week. One of the local Subway restaurants has a sign for 14 bucks an hour and McDonald's is around 14-15.

It seems crazy. Heck, I was making 12.50/hour and running the plumbing and HVAC on a 7 building condo development less than 20 years ago.

Maybe some of you live in schit areas with a bunch of lazy ass kids?

Let’s hit 18 holes this weekend



Happy Trails


Bob

Pay me mudderfugger!

Maybe someday Unicef will get into the fast food business.

Until then.......you want help? You pay dollars cowboy.

The average fast food worker in ohio makes $9 hr. Managers make around $12 hr. Sounds like they should go to the local high school to do their recruiting.

Several guys are right on this one. Companies have decided to Just pay as little as they can and hire new people when the current ones get sick of no opportunity and low pay.

They also don't offer full time and prefer to have 12 people on the schedule when 8 would be enough...they're begging for hours and basically on call with no benefits or any reason to make it a career.

Then management gets put in place with no oversight and they pick their favorites and do whatever they want and create a toxic work environment on top of the scheduling issues.

But since covid, people flock in and spend like they're millionaires and it is Still going months later. My company for example, has all those above problems but hit a billion dollars in sales. Then sent emails out bragging about how awesome they are...missing the point that it took a pandemic and election and lockdown to create an environment wherein their horrible practices still didn't hinder sales.

Lots more businesses will fall once the stimulus is spent and people start expecting something for their dollar and jobs open up and a business HAS to treat employees well to compete.

Well....back in my day we kept everyone at 1 dollar an hour and gave them 30 hours a week!

That's what makes real men!

Its not just fast food places. We cant find CNC machinists to save our soul. We are in an extremely clean and climate controlled environment. I have a friend that manages a Temp employment agency. When I talked to them last week, they had 60 job openings and no applications to fill them. They are offering a $1k sign on bonus to boot. If you aren't working, its because you don't want to.

My cousin runs a decent sized company locally and has been studying how to get even better...he says what i described above is actually a philosophy a lot of places use. Its cheaper to use and abuse people and just go get another 9 buck an hour guy part time and no benefits, than to train and develop and pay a good wage.

They're unfortunately right, as customers will keep coming in due to needing/wanting the products and basically accepting the BS "service."

In addition, once people can't find jobs, the few manufacturing places can offer 40 hours and basically do whatever they want with employees due to being basically the only place you can get full time.

To be a kid and starting out right now...wow. I don't think i would want to be in that position in my area.

It all boils down to, how much are you willing to pay for a value meal? Great work rules and pay for employees at McDonalds is Switzerland.....and it's also 61.13% more expensive to buy a Big Mac meal. Thinking we are going to take it from upper management isn't going to work. The pay increase will come from the consumer. It used to be, when I was a kid, that FF workers were LEARNING how to work. Now it seems that it's a career job that needs benefits. Tells me we are turning into a socialist economy faster that we realize. Get ready.

The other thing here is that companies are refusing to fix broken components of their training and HR departments or train management to treat employees well. They look at the money coming in and pay bonuses and leave everything as is.

I left 2 jobs for this reason. Everyone is supposed to be miserable and just be thankful for their job regardless of the conditions. Management is still raking in the dollars so why should anything be changed? After all, we are geniuses...just look at the sales numbers!

When people finally catch on and stop spending like idiots, those companies will lay off or fire their employees and STILL miss the point.

Local rents have doubled in the last couple years, no wonder they can't get help at $10 and hour. Two incomes at $15 an hour is just scraping along here.

That way you can blow out your o-ring earlier in the day...

Same problem most everywhere.

Young people have lots of options for summer and after school work in today's market. Even though most on here like to say its a lack of willingness to work, I see lots of young people around who have it together and no problem finding good part-time work.

The gap that I see is entry level manufacturing-type jobs pay about the same as working fast-food or working in a store.

When my son was in machinist school, he found summer work paying $14 per hour. Many FF places around here pay $15 to start and have incentives to help pay tuition. It wasn't like my kid was grass-green with machining, yet many other places start trades people below FF workers. He changed jobs 3 times in one year. Each time getting paid a bit more and the work was better. Yet some companies complain people don't stick around long. Can you blame young people from moving on when they can better themselves?

So what changed?

The .gov started paying people more money to not work than to work. Trump started it with $600 per week on top of whatever the state unemployment was. $600 per week is $15.00 per hour for a 40-hour week.

Not to mention a moratorium on evictions for not paying rent and mortgage payments.

When all this "Covid stimulus" expires, there will be a hew and cry to extend it. The Democrats will extend it and soon the whole middle class will be on permanent welfare, until the economy collapses.

Stopping all this welfare stuff is the answer. It would also solve all of our race problems.

Damn! 15 an hour?? Even the manufacturing here doesn't start beyond 12 or so. And I am not in a depressed area, just a greedy and short sighted one apparently.

Hard to convince them to go to work, when the government pays them so much to stay home. It really is as simple as that.

Government dole literally pays more. Gave up trying to get lunch in urban areas.

We've had fast food places built locally in the last six months that have not opened because they can't get help.

This was touched on above-

My local congressman calls in to our local radio station every Friday morning to give a 10 minute run down on what happened in DC this past week. Today he said he was on his way to a manufacturer in our district that wanted to visit with him. They were thinking of shutting their doors because they can't get help. Reason given, with all the stimulus money, extended unemployment, additional unemployment, people were being paid too much money to stay at home instead of joining the workforce.

Food service out here has struggled to hire for a while. Lot of competition for good employees. Fry cooks making $20+ an hour. I’d bet McD’s even starts at $15.

Gonna be the end of the Dolla’ menus!

Had a young black man come up to me in a parking lot and say nice truck. Thanks! Said he was down on his luck and asked if I'd like my truck washed and I asked how much. He's say's to me $500 for a detail and I started laughing . "pal your still down on your luck" WTF!

The extra unemployment and stimulus checks are the reason. I don't blame them for not taking a $12 an hour job when the government will pay them $18 to sit at home, most of us would do the same. It's not as simple as "just pay more". If a restaurant hires a bunch of workers at $20 an hour for a $10 an hour job to compete with the handouts they've pretty much set the price of that labor at $20 permanently which they can't pay forever and survive. When (if) the handouts end the labor market will adjust and if you kept the doors open with $20 an hour labor then you're stuck with it. Better to cut back the hours or shut the doors temporarily than to memorialize bubble wages. It's the same as reloading component manufacturers not expanding their operation every time a dem opens their mouth about gun control and the shelves get cleaned out. If you add all the capacity during the bubble you're stuck with it when the bubble bursts.

heck with $8 patty flipping job

A person could draw that state and fed unemployment, have a stimulus check deposited and $4-5k Earned Income Credit ‘refund’ all swirling about their sphere.



Crappie are hittin hard, turkey season is open, arrowhead fields are plowed.
And scrap metal is back up to $150 a ton.

I paid $300 about 10 years ago for a complete homeboy detail. Mobil wash crew runs around here, even makes house calls.

But, I’m talking bout these 2 guys did door jambs, engine compartment, tires, wheels, wheel wells, pressure wash underneath, Q-tips around all the vents, skittles and pickles out of the seat belt in the back, the glass, grime out of the buttons, hand wax, Armour all, vacuum.



Guess it depends on what your guy was going to do or what your understanding of what a full detail is.

All our fast food joints are running wide open. Of course we have the fast fuggs to show for it.

Bread and circuses. Who will bake the bread then give it away? The workman is worthy of their hire but business owners should not have to compete with govt. handouts that poison the labor pool. Limit welfare to the truly needy then market forces will establish realistic pay and benefit standards to be competitive.

Who shattered the economy? It was massive govt. over reach and we were frightened into submission. Until the govt. becomes frightened of the people the slide into the 3rd world standard will continue.


mike r

Read a news article this morning about this. One lady, a short-order cook, received $800 every two weeks from the gummint. She makes $700 every two weeks working. Pretty easy math.

BTW, she went back to work anyway. Must have some personal standards. Most would stay on the dole, in fact, most apparently are.

Done the same but they had mobile set ups or storefronts. They did like you said and I was very pleased.

I've heard that some of those who went back to work for less money than being unemployed did so because they figured that the government gravy train wouldn't last. They don't trust the government to keep up the free money for very long. Imagine that ! Distrust of the government.

Comrade Joe can send some, what town?

We went around finding broken bikes we could haul off for them or do a chore for. Built bikes out of parts. We made our money off selling kindling and firewood in winter, working family construction and pulpwood crews in summer. Had to save that for shotgun shells, boots etc., though.

Businesses crying over wages don't look so good when compared to those who pay. Just like the fast food and gas stations complain when a Buc-cee's steals all the employees and undercuts gas prices. There have been law suits over it. It's protectionism and quasi-socialism at work by people who claim to be conservatives. Clearly free market capitalism beats it.

All the local Micky-D's are looking for help around here And starting wage is $15.00,not to shabby for a high schooler.
What concerns me though is all the freebies and people not working and contributing back in ,
Where is the money going to come from to keep stuff funded?

NY is trying to pass a .55 cents /gallon of gas tax hike,that's where,more taxes on those of us who do work.

Mowed lawns, edged them, AND swept the clippings off the sidewalk for about that.

And look where it got me......................


retired on mi 7 Acre RANCHITO in BFC (Same as BFE except in Cali).

Lovin' it!

My son owns two business here in town. One is a restaurant. He has cut back hours because of the same issue. No workers available. As long as the slackers can make $8+ an hour sitting on their butts, they won't go back to work.

That's simple economics there.

But, if she only nets $700 biweekly, she needs a new career.

where is the impetus for people to work,many young people and even not so young have no desire to work.as long as this insane goverment pays double a week to stay home,hands out stimulus checks like candy can you expect otherwise.its ok,they will just keep printing money and handing it out for the stupid sheep to sit on there lazy asses.then the grandchildren and great grandchildren will suffer with paying it all back.who knows maybe the cancerous far left will allow the country to go back to some normalcy in a few more years.

Lotta factory jobs around here where she wouldn't bring home much more than that. Which is why I think it's a big load of bullshyt when you see these people harping on "bring back the factory work to bring back America's middle class". For one thing unless you're in management, much factory work doesn't pay middle class wages anymore since the unions are gone and for another all they're going to do is end up having a whole lotta illegal immigrants doing those factory jobs because they don't pay shyt. We've already got one factory here that's been busted for having illegals working several times because none of the locals want to work for what they pay. Nobody values blue collar labor much anymore. Fact is, a single mother with a couple kids, which we all know there are tons of, is much better off on welfare than working a typical factory job these days. She'd have to be plain stupid to work for 25-30k a year when she can collect more than double that on welfare and provide a better living for her kids.

For all those whining about certain jobs not paying much, here you go. If they can replace you with just another warm body, you have no added value. In order to make more than the average monkey, you have to be able to do something that the next monkey cant do or isn't willing to do. If a robot took your job, learn to work on robots.

Almost anybody can be replaced pretty quickly and easily. Especially those who think they can't. And you simply have no business bitchin about people who don't want to work for peanuts. This ain't fuggin China. American men and women expect to make enough from full time employment to live in a house, eat a couple times a day and drive a car to work. If they can't they'll simply let an illegal have the job and go on welfare so people like you have something more to complain about.

Well, if true, then they're making minimum wage in NY for doing production work. Which is relatively insane, depending on the type of factory.

Minimum wage is 12.50 in upstate NY. Many production line factory jobs start in the 13-15.00 an hour range and you'll typically get a 50 cent to a dollar an hour raise per year so it takes awhile to get to a decent livable wage.

All you guys who think it's lazy kids and government handouts...go inquire when you see those signs. You will find out its part time work with no benefits and weird schedules with no upward mobility options and schitty conditions.

That's what "full employment" these days looks like. Clocking in so you can barely survive.

Call it what you want but it ain't good.

That would suck. Hugely.

$15 is not that bad in semi rural areas for a starting wage. But $13 isn't much. Might as well pick fruit or something.

And no matter how much work ethic is involved they don't give a damn because they can replace you for 9 bucks an hour.

Absolutely correct.

That is certainly true in the case of food service, C stores, and even many grocery stores nowadays.

And retail and some manufacturing too.

Some guys on here still think It's Mayberry in 1959 and since they did it you can too in 2021

And those companies aren't hurt a bit by their bad decisions because uncle Sam props them up too

It ain't "the market", it's Covid "relief" and unemployment checks keeping small businesses from hiring.

Ain't no fugging "market" about it!

Fifteen an hour is barely liveable if you're single here and we're pretty rural.. If you've got a kid to support, forget it. You ain't gonna make it on 15 an hour and if you started at 13.00 an hour it may well take you four years to get to 15.00.

Most manufacturing jobs here will have you starting through a temp agency making very close to minimum wage and will keep you as a temp for up to a year with no benefits before they decide to hire you direct or let you go and replace you with another through the temp agency..

A person could do OK here as we are in a depressed area. Housing is not expensive like the rest of the state. At $15 an hour, which would work out to close to $2K a month take home (25% tax rate) one could even purchase a house in town, especially the fixer upper type. That's based on out mortgage payment from a late 2016 purchase, and I think the rates are similar.

Of course, a belt would need to be tightened regarding $4K sets of tires and wheels on the truck, beer drinking and hell raising, etc. But it could be done.

Drop that to $13/hr and it definitely means a roommate situation for someone starting out, and in the case of a family a part time job at least for a second earner.

Not sure what housing costs are in your area. 2 brm rentals in town are +/- $700-800. Some fixers go as low as $75K.

But we don't have any factories here any more. Used to be a wood moldings plant, and a lumber mill. Both shut now and the millwork place is a feed store now. Always talk of the lumber mill restarting.

They could use a plant to turn these dang junipers into pellet fuel, that would help. But every harvest plan on public land would have lawsuits filed no doubt.

Interesting, as having worked for temp agencies, the company is paying them near double for the worker than the wage they get. Keeps the company from having to do book work, insurance, etc.........almost all covered by the temp agency.

Good business model for the companies involved, not so much for the worker..................of course.

Rent/ cost of living is very comparable to here where you're at then. The biggest town in this County is pop. 6,700. We've lost quite a bit of manufacturing here over the course of the past 30 years but we do still have some. 40 years ago a man could support a family on a production line factory job here. Not anymore.

Keeps them from having to pay benefits too, which is the important and EXPENSIVE thing for the employers. My health insurance alone was costing my last employer 1k a month.

Biggest town, county seat here, is less than 3K population. I'm waiting for the '20 census numbers to see how many our county lost since '10.

its going to be like this the rest of the year at least. unemployment and stimmy keeps getting extended by the hand-out party buying votes. this is their wet dream. the chinks killed this country without firing a shot.

Here Mcdonalds and Hardees usually import immigrants from Jamaica? or some other foreign land to work in the summertime , because they can not get enough workers. Last year because of travel restrictions, the had no employees added . Drive up only and they had like three people running the whole place, then got Covid relief money.Talk about increasing profit margin and not be sustainable..........

Not sure the reason, as it's hard to keep a small restaurant open here, but while in town yesterday I noticed one of the cafes is all closed up and a for lease sign in the window.

Third different place there since we arrived in late '16. Food there was "decent' but nothing special.

Definetely an act of war on the part of the Chinks, which is why I can't understand why we haven't nuked the lowly rotten bastards.

Several restaurants in my area have gone out of business over the past year.

I have said for several years we are in the middle of a civil war and world war at the same time. I hope God blesses America one more time. It’s going to take more than prayer. Unfortunately blood and guts is what has always prevailed and saved us. MAGA

nuking is not realistic. but it seems like the entire world has forgotten who gave us this schit. don't hear anyone seeking reparations or even demanding an international investigation. you can damn sure bet that had trump won, he'd be ringing that bell.

Honduras to the rescue.

They need to be destroyed one way or another for what they've done.

Demographics(age cohorts) in quite a few places in the USA are nearly vertical or getting v shaped. There aren’t ,enough kids even with the influx of immigrants. Which is why Democrats are trying to import anyone they can. 4 decades of chamber of commerce influenced social engineering have been an absolute disaster. Keep waiting for dumbass GOP to adopt family friendly policies, but that will never happen , I guess. The rise of Hungarian style pro family party will most likely have to come from within the Dems....

Went to wendy's this afternoon , closed - will open this evening - shorthanded - help needed .

Motivation questions - - if curious, take a look at "Work and the Nature of Man" - Frederick Herzberg (1966)

Welding shop here wants help, good help.

Family Dollar store near here, open when they have help. Don't really care other than a true State of the Union Address

It's bad around here. I've heard guys bitch that they won't get off their ass for less than $35.00 an hour. They are not my friends or associates.
If you show up for work, you'll make a nice living around here. Equipment operators are starting at $32.00 an hour. Crazy.

You had to know someone to get those jobs not that long ago.

The simple answer is and always will be cutting out the welfare checks. Even most of the worthless will work to feed their kids. No free ride.

Don't worry help arriving from the border

Thazz what I’m talkin about. Around my house they’ll have a Filet O Fish in your hand quicker than you can piss.

They better pray the local gene pool’s deeper than it seems.

When's the last time you ate a Filet O Fish?

Do you live in a hippie/artist village?

It’s not something I mark on the calendar.

Sorry.

Hardly.

They pass through on their way to the Burning Man though. Chamber of Commerce types here, business owners, gas stations, the grocery and liquor stores were pissed at the China Flu last year for shutting it down. Some places get 30% of yearly receipts from them coming through. Wonder how many will attend this year, seems they're going to require the vaccination passport.

Our "artists" are conservative ranch and farm women it seems. At least according to my wife who takes classes from them at the art center.

Companies typically pay as little as possible, it's business.
And it's about the only expense they control.
And today, employers don't feel any obligation to employees, at all.
If your income is insufficient, assistance will fill the gap.

It's what Bernie Saunders meant when he said the richest benefit
from Socialism in this country. The Waltons underpay their employees,
The government makes up the gap and keeps them fed, and healthy. So they
can work.

Bernie a nut, but he wasn't wrong on that one.



That said, starting wage at the local C-store just hit $10.50.
Even for school kids.
In a low wage area.

My employer is one of 2 top factories in our county.
We needed resumes to hire 2.
Employment agency had...3.
One didn't return a call.

Meanwhile, the paper mill just over the county line is closing.
400 people out of work.
Some drive past our plant to get home from the mill.
None of them have resumes out?

Not with generous unemployment. No questions ask. + $300/wk.

Then there is the old friend whose son graduated with a forestry
degree. Last year. And "can't get a job". Any job!
Local them company is begging.
Positions up to $18+/hr. To start!
And this lazy [bleep] with a snooty degree can't get a fuggin job!

A forestry degree aint snooty. Its a waste of money. And your friend's so proves it.

I know someone with a forestry degree and they have zero work ethic and cannot learn even something so simple as electric conductors vs. insulators

You need some smarter friends. But then anybody who's smart wouldn't be your friend. LOL. Dummy.

Ok Mr Broke Digk of the Adirondacks
LMAO


Did you spend all your unemployment on Natty Lite Seltzer and unretire yet ?!

You should at least learn how to spell your own name. It's dee-eye-see-kay.... "dick".... You can do it if you just sound it out. Dummy. LMAO.

We can't even get a visit for offering $19.00 per hour with no experience. We used to get high school kids looking for Summer jobs and not a soul responds to adds or word of mouth. We have two guys that have been with us 31 an 26 years. In fact, we don't have a single guy with less than 10 years experience. The guy that has 31 years actually fired his own stepson because he was a lazy piece of $hit. Go on any one of our job sites and it's all the "gray beards" getting things done. Fact. not fiction!!

You are a dick expert after all

Big dick
Little dick
Straight dick
Curved dick
Brown , black, or white dick

You go Dick expert of Adirondacks

LMAO

I know one when I see it. I knew you could spell it if you'd just sound it out...... Dick. LMAO

Any benefits or chance at raises?

Depending on the type of work, $19/hr isn't a whole lot nowadays, especially in a metro area.

Yep. My SIL lives in Lodi NJ just a few miles from NYC. A 2 bedroom apartment will run you 2 - 2.5K a month down there. 19.00 an hour ain't shyt. Couldn't even live on it. Peasant wage.

Do you see he is in Nebraska and not schit hole NJ or NY? Lmao

A city's a city to me Dick. A concrete shythole that's expensive to live in and right full of ass holes. You'd fit right in. LMAO. Dipshyt.

But guess who got all that assistance passed into law? Yes, those same liberals like Bernie who complain about the likes of Walmart taking advantage of it!

Socialism benefits the rich more than the poor.

If the kid gets off work at 9, and does all his homework, how many hours of sleep does he get? When I was in high school I worked building cabinets six days per week. I got about four hours sleep per night because I had at least a few hours homework every night. Including classes it was more time spent than I did in college for a biology degree.

Granted I was in all honors and AP classes but still. And I had to beg off work before exams to study or I'd fail. That was over twenty years ago. Before we gave up on public school our kid had the same workload.

Our homeschooled kids don't have homework because we actually teach them instead of expecting parents to do it with homework.

I think maybe the problem isn't so much the kids as how they are detained and trained by lazy teachers in government schools.

Big factor. That's why local government has gone socialist even when the good old boys your conservatism as they do it.

Exactly, and it’s not just kids from liberal parents either. I know many traditional valued conservatives who seem to understand the value of work, and who speak of how they worked hard as kids to buy their first car and how that was a goof thing. They are essentially making a value statement. However, these same people buy their kids really nice and fairly expensive cars when they turn 16, often saying, “he’s a good kid, he deserves it,” or some BS about wanting their kid to have a safe, reliable car.

Expectations have changed. Many young Americans think they are entitled to an Apple watch, a gamer level laptop and an electric car. People w/out education and/or training want to live rural and have good healthcare and stuff. We need to return to a society that rewards
motivation and training and provides enough to the untermensch who labor faithfully to drive a beater or take the bus and live in a decent trailer.

Handouts only to the truly needy.


mike r

My sister works for a company that builds huge electric motors. They have had standing offers of hiring machinist trainees at $15 an hour for several years now and they can't get enough people that want to work and learn cnc machining.

Is she in your area?

Awfully hard, nearly impossible to survive on $15 an hour down there. That's why there are so many multi family homes, or 8 guys (immigrant) renting three bedroom suburban houses.

Meh...right now the market is being set with your tax dollars. No need to go to work for $15 or $20 an hour when you can make $25 an hour sitting on your ass at home. As for loyalty, ha. I can’t remember the last person I hired who didn’t take a sick day or some other bullschit in the FIRST MONTH of employment. Just getting people who will show up on time five days a week is a challenge. It’s one reason the Mexicans are so damned popular...they work. And around here, Mexicans ain’t cheaper than anyone else anymore. If anything, they demand a premium. If you do get your money’s worth when you hire them.

I was in Spring Hill (TN) yesterday and almost every business had "Help Wanted" sign on the door.

The local university students seem to have plenty of cash and no jobs. I think they are borrowing tons of money thinking they won't have to pay it back. Student loans have been out of control since Obama Federalized them.

I'm always amazed at how the college kids afford to eat out every day and spend $10/ meal. Those coeds have to maintain their 250 plus pound figures.

Bb

60% of Blue Cross Blue Shield, full payment of $25,000 life insurance and full payment of long and short term disability. Paid cell phone and uniforms. No where to go but up if you work hard, most all of my construction guys make $28 - $32 per hour and if you're a foreman a company truck. Doesn't matter anyway, with a 2.25% unemployment rate in Nebraska all the people that want to work are working already.

PS. The cost of living here isn't even close to NY, NJ, CA, etc.

When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.

And people are not obliged to work for thieves.

Exactly.

Complete agree. Employment is a voluntary contract between two parties. A worker is always free to seek a better gig. The more value he brings, the better his bargaining position.

Are you still driving the dot heads around? Upward mobility still exists here for the motivated.


mike r

No, now I work in Parks and Gardens for the local council...I got sick of being inside all the time.

...and when I get sick of that I shall do something else, though the twits seem to think they own me.

I don't know... in construction you got to pay above minimum wage to get someone decent to give it a shot. It's hard work, but of you don't want to waste time training anyone not cut out for it, you got to appeal to the kids that are likely worth training. Would 2 or 3 bucks above min wage really break your company?

It may have more to do with the pay they get to stay at home.

Was at a Japanese Hibaxhi grill last night. Sitting next to us was a well dressed couple, Black dude with a mexi-black girlfriend. Nice people to talk to. Overhear here saying how they’ll go to the farmers market in the morning because there they will double the value of your EBT card to buy stuff with. As they were eating filet, shrimp, and extra vegetables, while downing a couple cocktails each. Bill had to be close to $150 for the two of them. Follow them out and they drive off in a new four door pimped out Jeep. Need that to take them to the farmers market to double the value of their EBT card.

Ain't it ironic people with jobs that need some help are
ashamed when they use those cards.

I've known some who go away from here to buy big grocery
orders. Somewhat for value, more because they don't want to be
seen with an Access card.

That's a starting wage for a room temp IQ to start. It might be more now.

i didnt read the entire thread but what you fail to realize is that people are making more on onumployment/covid bonuses than they get from working

Scheidt, that ain't a bad deal. I'm guessing the low UI rate is due to oil field work and related support?

Omaha is a metro area, but yeah, I guess given the location, weather etc it's not like Cali or the Eastern cities.

Thanks for the reply and info.

I'm guessing sweeping the floor around the machinery, maybe putting parts on a conveyor belt?

Still, it would suck to try to live on that wage in SoCal, even with roommates or a significant other bringing in a second wage. Our vehicle insurance here is a couple of hundred dollars a year more per vehicle than where I lived in other States. And we're in BFCalifornia. Can't imagine how high it is in Metro SoCal.

I went into Sportsman's Warehouse today and, if you filled out an employment application, you got entered into a drawing for an elk hunt.