Tired of hearing Republicans DO NOTHING BUT SQUAWK?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_m...ok-board-upholds-trump-ban_3803542.html?


Democrats cheer board's decision, call for ban to be made permanent

BY ZACHARY STIEBER May 5, 2021 Updated: May 5, 2021

Congressional Republicans on May 5, upset with the decision by Facebook’s Oversight Board to uphold the company’s ban of former President Donald Trump, said they’d work to curb the technology giant’s power.

“Break them up,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said in reaction to the decision.

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) said the decision was “a real-life example of the tyranny of Big Tech” before echoing Jordan.

Republicans have increasingly turned critical of technology giants such as Facebook as more evidence emerges showing bias against conservatives.

“Facebook is more interested in acting like a Democrat Super PAC than a platform for free speech and open debate. If they can ban President Trump, all conservative voices could be next. A House Republican majority will rein in Big Tech power over our speech,” House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) wrote in a tweet on May 5.

Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) called for “aggressive antitrust reform” to end what he described as Facebook’s monopoly.

Republicans lost control of the House of Representatives in early 2019 and ceded the majority in the upper chamber in January. They hope to flip both in the 2022 midterms.

They could have trouble garnering enough votes for their legislative preferences in dealing with Big Tech if they don’t.

Democrats largely praised the upholding of Facebook’s suspension.

“As far as the decision of Facebook goes, I applaud that decision. Facebook is not the public square. We need to remember that it’s not,” said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) in a Washington Post Live interview.

“There’s no Constitutional protection for using social media to incite an insurrection. Trump is willing to do anything for himself no matter the danger to our country. His big lies have cost America dearly. And until he stops, Facebook must ban him. Which is to say, forever,” House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) wrote on Twitter.

Still, some Democrats signaled that they want to reform laws dealing with Big Tech.

“Facebook is a disinformation-for-profit machine that won’t accept responsibility for its role in the safety of our democracy and people. Trump should be banned for good, but Facebook will continue to fumble with its power until Congress and antitrust regulators rein in Big Tech,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) wrote on Twitter.

Big Tech companies have generally resisted major alterations to rules governing them, primarily Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. But they have supported some changes, including stripping of immunity for companies that don’t appropriately remove illegal posts.

Facebook’s Nick Clegg, a vice president, said company officials there were pleased with the board’s decision.

“We’re pleased the board has recognized that the unprecedented circumstances justified the exceptional measure we took,” he said in a statement, adding that the company will consider the board’s criticism of the suspension being indefinite but that Trump’s Facebook and Instagram accounts will remain suspended for now.

Trump, who is mulling another presidential bid, said in a statement that Facebook and other Big Tech companies “must pay a political price, and must never again be allowed to destroy and decimate our Electoral Process.”

“Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States because the Radical Left Lunatics are afraid of the truth, but the truth will come out anyway, bigger and stronger than ever before. The People of our Country will not stand for it!” he wrote.

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Reaction from President Trump on Facebook doubling down on ban.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_m...-uphold-account-suspension_3803745.html?


Trump Reacts to Facebook’s Decision to Uphold Account Suspension
BY JACK PHILLIPS May 5, 2021 Updated: May 5, 2021 biggersmaller Print
Former President Donald Trump reacted to Facebook’s move to uphold the suspension of his account, arguing that big tech firms are working to censor Americans.

“What Facebook, Twitter, and Google have done is a total disgrace and an embarrassment to our Country. Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States because the Radical Left Lunatics are afraid of the truth, but the truth will come out anyway, bigger and stronger than ever before,” Trump said in a statement on May 5 after Facebook’s Oversight Board handed down a decision saying the former president’s account should be suspended.

The board, however, suggested that Trump’s ban shouldn’t be permanent and found Facebook’s indefinite suspension inappropriate. It asked the Menlo Park, California-based company to review the decision and come up with a “proportionate response” aligned with Facebook’s rules.

Facebook’s Oversight Board explained its rationale to keep the suspension in place by alleging that Trump “created an environment where a serious risk of violence was possible.” Facebook and Twitter both banned Trump in the days after the Jan. 6 Capitol breach.

“The People of our Country will not stand for it!” Trump wrote. “These corrupt social media companies must pay a political price, and must never again be allowed to destroy and decimate our Electoral Process.”

On May 4, Twitter CFO Ned Segal said that Twitter—where Trump had amassed about 90 million followers—would keep the former president’s ban in place permanently.

Saying there had been “no changes” in Twitter’s policy regarding Trump, Segal said that “we want to work hard to be consistent.”

“We don’t have an oversight board like that [like Facebook]. Our team is accountable for the decisions that we make. There is no changes to anything we have talked about in the past,” he said.

Trump’s suspension from Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, and Google platforms drew the ire of conservatives, free-speech advocates, and some world leaders, including Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

“I don’t like anybody being censored or taking away from the right to post a message on Twitter or Face(book). I don’t agree with that, I don’t accept that,” López Obrador said in early January. He argued that social media companies have outsized power to control discourse.

“How can you censor someone: ‘Let’s see, I, as the judge of the Holy Inquisition, will punish you because I think what you’re saying is harmful,’” López Obrador said. “Where is the law, where is the regulation, what are the norms? This is an issue of government, this is not an issue for private companies.”

The Epoch Times has contacted Facebook for comment.

the GOP would first need to regain power. They are happiest though when they can bitch and moan, without any ability to do anything. Then they can blame dhimmicrats and not be held responsible themselves. The GOP could have done this years ago, but of course, did nothing. As usual.

Then actually find and USE their BALLS.. Spot on, Sam....

Lost in all the noise is the fact that FaceBook censored all mention of Hunter Biden's criminality, including the 10% to "the big guy," during the election, even after the fourth largest US newspaper (New York Post) reported on it in detail.

A later poll showed that 1/3 of the Biden voters had never heard of these allegations. 14% said they would NOT have voted for Biden had they known.

That would have turned the election to Trump. That, not Dominion voting machines or miscounting ballots, is the real election fraud.

Facebook is Joseph Goebels on steroids. They are the de facto common carrier of communications now. They have no right to censor anything. Imagine if the US Post Office opened all letters and only let those expressing their own political views go through.

They're next to useless.

Mean while, back at the ranch.

Trump isn't allowing anyone to post their views on his site.

And I support that, it's his right.

I also support the same right for anyone, no matter how big or how small their posting sites may become the content should always be left up to the sites owners and developers.

It'd be pretty nazi like for any governing body to dictate what one might desire to host as content on their web pages.

Lots of saying, writing and telling.

Not much action.

Hard to do when you'll never win an election again.

I hope they do put the screws to Facebook, and Yahoo! and Google and Amazon while they are at it.

Amazon announced they would stop selling gun related accessories. On one hand we can say as a private company, they are entitled to market whatever items they want. On the other, Amazon and Barnes and noble are the targets of anti gunners/anti-hunter from within and without. Check this from the Lefty Site Change.Org:

[i]steven 4socialjustice started this petition to Barnes and Noble, District Manager Chris Geith and 3 others

My 9-year-old daughter recently noticed that Barnes and Noble Bookstores sell over 50 different magazines that support guns. They have multiple magazines that promote AR-15 assault rifles, magazines that show you how to build your own AK-47 rifle, how to master alternative shooting positions and so on.
Barnes and Noble Bookstores give everyone, including children, direct access to over 50 magazines that promote guns and violence.
After my daughter complained to our local bookstore with a threat that we would boycott and protest in front of the store, the manager did make one change: All the gun magazines were moved from a middle section to the back top row where children could not readily access them. If they are willing to fold so easily under the pressure of my 9-year-old daughter, maybe they will follow suit and just stop selling those magazines.
We have contacted the upper management of Barnes and Noble but received no response. The national group Women Against Gun Violence did respond and they've joined our fight against Barnes and Noble. My 9-year-old daughter has been asked to be a guest speaker at their 25th anniversary luncheon later this month and they will initiate a "postcard" campaign to encourage a boycott of Barnes and Noble Bookstores until they stop selling gun magazinees.[/i]

True about Donald Trump not allowing post on his site but he isn't doing it with just certain people. It's everyone. The others only ban those that don't further the agenda. They are practicing rule #2 as listed below.

“Communist Rules for Revolution.”
1. Corrupt the young: get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. Get control of all means of publicity. Get peoples’ minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays and other trivialities.
3. Divide people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
4. Destroy the peoples’ faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and . (speak against, condemnatory utterances)
5. Always preach ;true democracy; but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.
6. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit; produce fear of inflation, rising prices and general discontent.
7. Foment strikes in vital industries; encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward these disorders.
8. By special argument cause a breakdown of the old moral virtues; honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
9. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext with a view of confiscation of them and leaving the population helpless.

Facebook has been banning all conservatives, not just trump. I got banned...

No one is twisting anyone's arm to force them to log in, view, read or contribute to any social media sites or their content.

If you don't like what's being posted or banned on any site including this one, you're always free to leave.

You can even create your own social media site designed to directly compete with another site.

It's America, we have more freedoms than most any country on earth and I'd oppose any governing body that attempts to change that.

Where’s the line between a private company and public utility?

How is this any different than “white only” water fountains?

How can a bakery be forced to make a gay wedding cake?

Why wasn't this a priority the day after Trump was elected?

^^^^100% dumb fugk. ^^^^

Good question. With a Republican House, Republican Senate, and Trump, there was too much stuff just ignored.

That's a far reach, key words being, "Get control of all means of publicity", No one is capable of 'gaining control of ALL means.

Unless you are speaking of those opposing bans applied by different social media sites and attempting to create enforceable laws designed to defeat others rights.

#3 on this list is rather funny.


Ever pay attention to a election campaign in the United States?

They blew it, and it wasn't by accident.

What's dumb fugk is your lack of recognizing what a dictatorship is.

Just like when they said if elected, they would repeal Obamacare "On Day One". Yeah....that didn't happen either.

I helped elect them and they lied to me. Takes more than a talking point now to get my support.

What you fail to realize is the size and scale of Facebook. Facebook has 3 BILLION users worldwide. That is 40% of the Planet when you consider that China restricts it. 100 million conservatives can boycott Facebook, and that leaves them with 2.9 BILLION users. Facebook can send out information, and restrict information to 40% of the people on Earth. No other platform can do that.

Start your own? They have a 3 Billion (and growing) user head start. They can team up with Yahoo and Google and restrict your presence on search engines to make your new start up unseen. They can bully your advertisers. Facebook and Google can damage companies instantly with a campaign of negative ads and burying pro-content as well as making their website unfindable.

They are more than a 500 pound gorilla in the room.

Communist China has almost full control of the media. Are they nobody? I'm sorry you don't see the similarities between them and how these big tech companies are operating. And yes I pay attention to the election efforts, that's why these 9 rules stand out in my mind and many others that we are seeing the real deal to take this nation over,as obama said "to fundamentally change America". They use the Constitution in a way to construe and hide what they're doing. You surely see that, don't you?

Why doesn’t Trump want anyone posting on his site? Interesting.

Facebook isn’t going anywhere and have perfected mind manipulation.

LMFAO

How many dicks have you "tried."

LOL

Strong effort, but anybody that stupid is not worthy of debate.

I doubt he can make a left hand turn in under 10 minutes.

See, I knew you didn't even know what a dictatorship was.

Yes, I'me very tired of it.




Laughin' here.........................that'll be the day, even if (ever) the R's get control again, as with all their other chances on significant issues, they will manage to fritter away more & nothing will happen.

MM

Solution - develop your own social media platform and expose them all.

The useful left wing idiots love to use words like censorship, dictatorship, freedom when they have no idea what they mean. 4 years they labeled Trump a dictator and facist and there was zero censorship. Now when free speech is shut down, woke culture is celebrated, businesses, news sites demonitized, for exercising free speech the left wing idiots like little sparky says its ok. No clue how technology is the new facism.

To quote my friend from Kentucky, "All those Hogs feed out of the SAME trough."

I agree. Every successful business was small and competing against the big guys at some point. Finding a product, service, or platform people want and fill that niche.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

How does one do that? Who controls the web hosting where these magical social media sites will operate? Where does the money come from to develop and operate these sites, and who will advertise on these sites to keep them running? The banks , paypal or Google will just refuse to process any financial transactions associated with these sites and advertisers boycotted ( bankrolled by face book, google) . Been paying attention the last 2 years?

You still just have a hardon because Rick banned your azz from these boards.
Now you want big brother to come to your rescue and make a law so he can't do that again.

Grow up

AOL and Yahoo had their rise and fall too.

Don't be afraid to attempt to defeat the seemingly undefeatable.

Ok web programmer. Out line a detailed plan to start up a successful media site, that maintains funding, will not get deplatformed and reaches millions of people a day producing conservative content and hosts Trump. What company are you going to use for web hosting. Can users share links to their magical site on instagram, FB, twitter? Will google searches take you o this magical site? lol. clueless. as usual and zero understanding of the real complexities of this problem. Just your dumb platitudes.

If Trump doesn’t allow people to speak on his forum, does that make him a dictator?

Hey, MM, they're getting paid far too much to DO NOTHING to ever do ANYTHING like that.

That break up the techs yak is complete BULSHIT.

What's it like to live life scared and afraid.

Are you always in need of someone to hold your hand when things challenge you?

You just talk big but are afraid of attempting big things.

normally I wouldn't be in favor of breaking up an entity like Facebook

but we are in uncharted territory here with social media. It would be like if there was only CNN and no other media outlets. There is no competitor for Facebook, and worse, its not commerce they are effecting, its the political landscape of this country. They are also making decisions about what health information is being made available to the public based on their sphere of political influence. Finally, they sold their members data to an analytics company that generated targeted ads for a political party which opened up a can of worms as Facebook put a price on its platform to help sway an election without asking its members if they consented to it.

I absolutely believe they need to be broken up and regulated to the extent that they implement absolute policies and they make a significant investment in non bias policing of their platform. They also should be required to lock down member public information and allow it to be scrubbed.

its also important to note that Apple has gone to war with Facebook this past week by releasing a tracking update in their iOS which essentially kills the Facebook data collection algorithm. Facebook tracks your surfing habits beyond just using their app so they can target ads to you. Its a huge money maker for them and Apple now allows you to decide if Facebook can do that. I don't consider Apple the bastion of morality in this, they benefit from using a similar algorithm for their users and going straight to the advertisers

but they are giving a Facebook a taste of what happened to Parlor.

Facebook facing government regulation would see a devaluation of their platform in the billions.

you will always be at risk but one mistake that Parlor made was being completely reliant on AWS to host their system. You would have to get your own Fiber lines or better, your own servers with a dedicated registered IP address, purchase hosting software and then develop the platform internally. I don't think search engines would be an issue because public demand would drive the search engines to host it. You are probably right about financial transactions however, it would have to be self funded and you couldn't count on advertising. Even Fox faces the challenges of a limited number of advertisers willing to be associated with their platform. All that would mean a dedicated IT staff, a dedicated staff of developers and then all the administrative staff to support it . I think it would be a giant money pit burning thru millions of dollars each year with little hope of recouping cost thru traditional means.

^^^ It's this right here ^^^

What a buncha fugking geniuses.

LOL

Took 30 minutes for him to type that out.

LOL

Slow witted dumb fugk.

Thank you..it's good to see you warming to the idea.




I may type slow but I'm not on anyone's payroll while I post, humm

Facebook, Twitter and Google put out more information on a daily basis than Sinclair, Nexstar and Gannet. Let that sink in.

Hard to do when you've never had a job.

LOL

So I should be able to walk into your business and say whatever I want and you shouldn't be aloud to kick me out because I am just exercising my first amendment rights? What about your home? Can I come into your home and say whatever I want and you shouldn't be aloud to kick me out because I am just exercising my first amendment rights? All of a sudden, everyone on here wants more government regulation. Good thing the democrats are in charge.

Big tech ain't the gops problem. It's not offering a better path than tax and spend progressivism. Crying big tech just means they want a way to do the same as democrats without offering us anything. Stupid.

No difference in them except democrats are more innovative and will throw us a little something I stead of just giving it all to their friends.

The dick sucker and sparky have a lot in common.

LOL

Another fugking genius.

Akasparky,

Using Hatari's figure, would you be saying the same thing if, say, ExxonMobil controlled 40% of the world's oil supply and refused to sell its product to anyone with, say, a 4 cylinder engine? (Those pesky little 4 bangers don't use enough of our product.) Would you say "Just go to Texas and drill your own well and refine your own gas and pretty soon you'll force them to stop discriminating"? If your local utility decided to cut service to certain people based on their political persuasion, would you build your own power plant and run your own lines to those people not being serviced? Yeah, right. Facebook has very shrewdly turned itself into a virtual monopoly; it's not a monopoly that sets prices, it's a monopoly that sets information because it has chosen to not provide service to people of certain viewpoints. And we are living in an age where, like it or not, information is power. You say Facebook has the right to do this and do that; but with rights come responsibilities. If Facebook is broken up or becomes regulated like the public utility it has become, then it has brought it on itself and deserves what's in store. The Left wants to harp on Russian collusion, but Big Tech collusion is the real threat.

Of course, I'm in agreement with Mannlicher: The Republicans will huff and puff, but can and will do nothing.

I'd just buy my gas from Exxon's competitors, their competitors control 60% of the world's oil supply.

You don't have to buy real estate and drill wells to start a social media platform.

The largest entities on the internet all started very small and with little cash.
If lightning was to strike and you had a seam busting successful platform on your hands, cash would become a major issue quickly.

That's when obtaining financial support would become critical.

Take YouTube for example, they aquired a small handful of investors as they grew, their need for bigger and faster servers drove their demand for cash.

Their project outgrew their resources so they sold before the end of their first year of operation.
They sold it for 1.65 billion dollars for YouTube before they even figured out how to make a dime off what they'd created.

As we all know Google bought it and ran with it and look what it's become.

It was a success, started by a couple guys in a garage.

Most all the largest entities on the internet have a similar startup story, they just didn't have fear of making the attempt.

Trump's site is not a forum.

And I don't blame him for not allowing comments. Every blue check commie, BLM, and Antifa would spam a Trump forum so hard it would be impossible to maintain civility. Think about it.

First, Hatari's figure was worldwide. If ExxonMobil had that kind of market share worldwide, they'd likely have much more in certain locales. But, if you could buy your fuel from someone else, knock yourself out; but you'd likely have to travel farther and pay more to do so; and I doubt you'd be as sanguine about it as you are when it's purely hypothetical.

It is true that capital is not necessarily the biggest barrier to entry for tech firms, but once someone attains a market share like Facebook has, they have a strangle hold. As you noted, a start up can be successful but run then out of resources before it can really compete or become a threat Then they are absorbed by (guess who) one of the tech giants. Buy out your competition before they really get a chance to compete and become a threat, it works well. The other thing you are glossing over is that most of the startups you are referring, I would wager, are in fact start-ups: they are creating new products for new markets or niche products for existing markets; they are not creating new products for existing markets. There is a reason that existing companies spend so much on "branding" and gaining market share. It's to discourage competition and make it prohibitively costly. Finally, there is the element of time. Even if someone (assuming it's even a conservative) built another platform that could effectively compete with Facebook, how long do you think that would take? The Republic, if it's not gone already, may very well be lost before Facebook's market share is even dented. The tyranny that we would be under would not allow a conservative competitor to Facebook to continue. You think that is far-fetched? Well, I'm seeing things said and done in this country that I never dreamed could happen, so don't discount what I am saying.

All this would not much matter if Facebook were not censoring viewpoints they oppose. But they are, and at the very least they should be subject to penalties for violating free speech. Not a lawyer, so I don't know how one would go about doing that, but their behavior warrants some sort of regulatory restraint.

Excluding those that merely resort to name calling and other worthless schit just add to their post counts.

Why are people so adamantly opposed to the idea of others competing with big social media companies?

"They" are also listening to our phone calls. My buddy and I are talking about wheatgrass and where I can get it. He says closest to me is Whole Foods. Suddenly, I get an ad for Whole Foods come across my screen on Yahoo emai!

He said he was talking with the guy that does some advertising for us the other day about pets and PetSmart. Suddenly an ad for PetSmart appears on his email!

There oughta be a law.. and there is.

#member/subscriber

Delete as needed.

My guess is so he can speak his peace of mind without left extremist setting up a blame the conservatives scenario .
Also the occasional conservative that would have a snoot full of booze and get lured into a pissing match with a left wing dip shiit and making statements that the media could run with .

But thinking about this while writing it , it comes to mind , Fu-k them !
They are going to blame him and us anyway , so maybe Trump needs to come to grips with it’s time to get his hands dirty .
You certainly aren’t going to gain any ground fighting this corrupted gov. by thier rules .

Or maybe wait and see what he’s putting out there .
Kenneth

Republicans say "Break up Big Tech!"

Yeah, sure.

Talk, talk, talk.

Republicans don't have the balls to take down Big Tech....Big Tech owns them.

Big tech isn’t going anywhere and Trump can’t compete on his best day.