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Got a black sheep in the family? Be a shame to come home to a destroyed house 'cause the cops were spying on you with a drone when Cousin Larry the Meth Head wandered by. Are you a cop who doesn't want people hating you, making it more likely they will refuse to help or even work against you? How about juries empathizing with violent resistance? Qualified immunity must end.

Cops Knew Suspect Was Not in Home When They Destroyed It, Force Family to Pay for It Anyway
Matt Agorist May 15, 2021
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/f...BRhKe8NxwzBbp2eq7736mPkRl2hpqNpcjk3JzMjY



In the land of the free, the job of police officer has morphed drastically over the last three decades. Thanks to the war on drugs, cops have MRAPs, battering ram vehicles, and an entire arsenal of weaponry designed to destroy homes in raids looking for drugs. Because police are human and prone to error, often times these weapons of war are used on entirely innocent people. Because police are government, when they destroy private property by mistake, or lay waste to someone’s dream home, it is the innocent person left holding the bag — thanks largely in part to qualified immunity.

In this latest case, the Hamlin County Sheriff’s Department was searching for Gary Hamen, who had an outstanding arrest warrant for felony burglary and violation of a protective order. Gary had called his father, Gareth Hamen, and asked for a vehicle. He was spotted by a police drone who was listening in on the conversation and was outside of his father’s home.

When police went to arrest Gary, they claimed he was holed up in his father’s home so the local SWAT team took to completely destroying the home. The home was empty and multiple officers on the scene knew it, police did not get consent to enter it, and police never mentioned to Gareth they were planning on destroying the home.

Not long after, the Sheriff authorized SWAT and the SRT to breach doors and windows on the Hamens’ mobile home. According to Wishard’s affidavit, the “tactical procedure [to secure the mobile home] is to create communication portholes in attempts to call out any subject or subjects that may be hiding inside.” If unsuccessful, gas munitions are used to flush out anyone inside. To create the communication portholes for the Hamens’ trailer, an armored vehicle pulled away the front stairs and deck, which were not attached to the mobile home or secured in the ground, and pushed in the front door with a ram. The second armored vehicle opened three portholes on the opposite side of the mobile home by breaking through windows and a sliding patio door, causing significant damage to the walls and the septic system.

The Federalist Society details what happened next.

Witness reports and drone footage indicated that Gary was no longer in the mobile home, and had been seen walking in the nearby river. Immediately before entering the home, the officers were made aware of these reports. Regardless, the sheriff authorized both units to raid the mobile home on the chance Gary was still there. The sheriff did so without requesting Gareth’s permission and without a warrant. During the raid, the officers used armored vehicles to ram through the mobile home’s windows and its front and back doors, damaging the walls and the septic system. Gareth estimated that the damage caused by the raid totaled $18,778.61.

“Shortly after this procedure and before officers entered the mobile home, Gary was seen walking in the river near the Hamens’ residence. Law enforcement apprehended him at approximately 6:00 p.m,” the police report read.


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Because the destruction of the Hamens’ home was completely uncalled for — since police knew before they destroyed it that Gary was not in it — Gareth filed a lawsuit to receive just compensation for his losses.


Under Article VI, Section 13 of the South Dakota state constitution, the law requires payment of “just compensation” when the private property is “taken for public use, or damaged.”

Unfortunately for Gareth, however, there is nothing in the law which states government must repair property it destroys during botched SWAT raids. So, Gareth had to fight his case all the way to the State Supreme Court of South Dakota only to find out they would rule against him.


“[O]ur prior decisions have consistently applied the public use language in article VI, § 13 to both the takings and damages clauses, while rejecting a right to compensation under article VI, § 13 when the action involved the state’s police power,” the court wrote in their decision.

The court went on to admit there were two egregious violations of the constitution during the raid:

We conclude that, at a minimum, the Sheriff’s warrantless entry into the mobile home required an objectively reasonable belief that Gary was living in and present in the home at the time of entry.

[…]
Given that law enforcement’s last contact with Gary suggested he was no longer in the home, coupled with the fact that law enforcement had surrounded the mobile home for several hours without incident or any materialized threat from Gary, we cannot determine as a matter of law that exigent circumstances existed at the time the Sheriff decided to enter the mobile home.

However, thanks to qualified immunity, there was no clearly established right of Gareth to not have his home destroyed by a SWAT team, so police and the city were not liable, according to the court.

Regardless of whether the Sheriff used excessive force, the Hamens cannot prevail because they cannot show that the Sheriff’s use of force, even if it was excessive, violated a “clearly established” right.

This is the problem with qualified immunity and why it needs to end, now.

Sadly, Gareth’s case is not at all isolated. Just last September, Erika Pruiett in Denver had her home destroyed by SWAT. At the end of the raid, she and her baby were left homeless with no compensation.


As TFTP previously reported, a married couple claimed Fresno sheriff’s officers destroyed their house by using it as a training ground for a teargas-wielding SWAT team, 50 vehicles, two helicopters, a K-9 unit and a fire truck — because an unarmed homeless man had been found in their closet. Like Gareth, after attempting to seek compensation for their incredible loss for over 3 years, the Jessens were told last year that they can kick rocks, the government who destroyed their home, owes them jack squat.
Most LEO’s have picked the side of their paychecks and benefits
In a state like SD, I doubt they have the chance to use all these toys so they probably look at it like a training exercise. Whenever we had live fire training people came from all over. We've burned whole blocks of basically shacks. You can bet those guys had hard ons that wouldn't quit when they were tearing that place up.
Liberals can destroy our whole country.
I wonder how insurance plays out in a case like this.
Looks like the cops ran a meth head and his enabling parents, outta town.

And it didn't cost the taxpayers a dime.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Looks like the cops ran a meth head "gun nut" and his enabling parents, outta town.

And it didn't cost the taxpayers a dime.


And where is this likely to go, given current political winds at the federal level....
We are gonna have to get a an anatomical chart so's the OP can show us where the mean cops touched him.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Most LEO’s have picked the side of their paychecks and benefits


Doubt it’s for the paycheck. More like the power.
Google "cops destroy house", this is not an isolated incident, many homeowners are completely innocent and receive zero compensation from those responsible.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are gonna have to get a an anatomical chart so's the OP can show us where the mean cops touched him.



I know cops personally who share our concerns. Pull your head out of your backside.
Originally Posted by Scott_Thornley
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Looks like the cops ran a meth head "gun nut" and his enabling parents, outta town.

And it didn't cost the taxpayers a dime.


And where is this likely to go, given current political winds at the federal level....


This is a case of local cops knowin who's who.

Mom and dad helpin their little baby who wouldn't hurt nobody, ruin a community.

So, they took out the trash.

Not the kinda cops that would kick in, cause some fed said so.
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
......Qualified immunity must end.....

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Harmful twaddle.
I was talking to a LEO friend about this sort of thing after a recent incident and about the qualified immunity. Since apparently LEO's are leaving in high numbers now, just wait and see what you get in the way of officers if the qualified immunity goes. It's not going to be pretty.
Originally Posted by 700LH
Google "cops destroy house", this is not an isolated incident, many homeowners are completely innocent and receive zero compensation from those responsible.

Google is run by Marxist’s. You think the algorithm is set up to put cops in a good light?
The owner of the mobile home should rent a bulldozer and take it to the home of whoever instructed the officers to do that.
Originally Posted by hunter4623
Originally Posted by 700LH
Google "cops destroy house", this is not an isolated incident, many homeowners are completely innocent and receive zero compensation from those responsible.

Google is run by Marxist’s. You think the algorithm is set up to put cops in a good light?





Why are you still using gaggle?
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
or lay waste to someone’s dream home

Gareth estimated that the damage caused by the raid totaled $18,778.61.


Detachable porch?

LOL

All the cops did, was bust out the parts of the trailer that was code violations.
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Qualified immunity must end.



Do you have any idea how fugking stupid you sound when you say that?
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The owner of the mobile home should rent a bulldozer and take it to the home of whoever instructed the officers to do that.


Fugk yeah!
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by hunter4623
Originally Posted by 700LH
Google "cops destroy house", this is not an isolated incident, many homeowners are completely innocent and receive zero compensation from those responsible.

Google is run by Marxist’s. You think the algorithm is set up to put cops in a good light?





Why are you still using gaggle?

So use Duckduckgo the results are the same.....
It’s not about qualified immunity. The department/county/city/state doesn’t pay because the homeowners insurance policy will pay and the court can levy restitution on the guy they were after once he’s convicted.
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are gonna have to get a an anatomical chart so's the OP can show us where the mean cops touched him.



I know cops personally who share our concerns. Pull your head out of your backside.


Personally?

Wow...really got your finger on the pulse eh?

I'm a fan of the police.

There, I feel better now.
Good Shoot
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The owner of the mobile home should rent a bulldozer and take it to the home of whoever instructed the officers to do that.


The owner of the mobile home will never even have the deposit ta put down ta rent a bulldozer.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are gonna have to get a an anatomical chart so's the OP can show us where the mean cops touched him.



I know cops personally who share our concerns. Pull your head out of your backside.


Personally?

Wow...really got your finger on the pulse eh?


That's not where his finger's been.

Do hemorrhoids have a pulse?
When we executed a search warrant - we were told - you best NOT tear up anything that didn't need to be torn up to find what we were looking for. There was no wink-wink / nod nod either - the Chief was dead serious. We usually found what was indicated on the search warrant - and nothing got destroyed ( unless it was locked to prevent access and the defendant refused to open it ).

Seeing stuff like in the OP, just makes me shake my head.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We are gonna have to get a an anatomical chart so's the OP can show us where the mean cops touched him.



I know cops personally who share our concerns. Pull your head out of your backside.


Personally?

Wow...really got your finger on the pulse eh?


That's not where his finger's been.

Do hemorrhoids have a pulse?


I bet you two pathetic adolescents look real cute together. Bye.
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
It’s not about qualified immunity. The department/county/city/state doesn’t pay because the homeowners insurance policy will pay and the court can levy restitution on the guy they were after once he’s convicted.


If they weren't immune the property would never have been damaged in the first place. As related above, cops can do the job without the damage. And it's not the "all cops are bad" nonsense. It's management and training developed with immunity.

How are you OK with anyone ever damaging your home?
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Got a black sheep in the family? Be a shame to come home to a destroyed house 'cause the cops were spying on you with a drone when Cousin Larry the Meth Head wandered by. Are you a cop who doesn't want people hating you, making it more likely they will refuse to help or even work against you? How about juries empathizing with violent resistance? Qualified immunity must end.

Cops Knew Suspect Was Not in Home When They Destroyed It, Force Family to Pay for It Anyway
Matt Agorist May 15, 2021
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/f...BRhKe8NxwzBbp2eq7736mPkRl2hpqNpcjk3JzMjY



In the land of the free, the job of police officer has morphed drastically over the last three decades. Thanks to the war on drugs, cops have MRAPs, battering ram vehicles, and an entire arsenal of weaponry designed to destroy homes in raids looking for drugs. Because police are human and prone to error, often times these weapons of war are used on entirely innocent people. Because police are government, when they destroy private property by mistake, or lay waste to someone’s dream home, it is the innocent person left holding the bag — thanks largely in part to qualified immunity.

In this latest case, the Hamlin County Sheriff’s Department was searching for Gary Hamen, who had an outstanding arrest warrant for felony burglary and violation of a protective order. Gary had called his father, Gareth Hamen, and asked for a vehicle. He was spotted by a police drone who was listening in on the conversation and was outside of his father’s home.

When police went to arrest Gary, they claimed he was holed up in his father’s home so the local SWAT team took to completely destroying the home. The home was empty and multiple officers on the scene knew it, police did not get consent to enter it, and police never mentioned to Gareth they were planning on destroying the home.

Not long after, the Sheriff authorized SWAT and the SRT to breach doors and windows on the Hamens’ mobile home. According to Wishard’s affidavit, the “tactical procedure [to secure the mobile home] is to create communication portholes in attempts to call out any subject or subjects that may be hiding inside.” If unsuccessful, gas munitions are used to flush out anyone inside. To create the communication portholes for the Hamens’ trailer, an armored vehicle pulled away the front stairs and deck, which were not attached to the mobile home or secured in the ground, and pushed in the front door with a ram. The second armored vehicle opened three portholes on the opposite side of the mobile home by breaking through windows and a sliding patio door, causing significant damage to the walls and the septic system.

The Federalist Society details what happened next.

Witness reports and drone footage indicated that Gary was no longer in the mobile home, and had been seen walking in the nearby river. Immediately before entering the home, the officers were made aware of these reports. Regardless, the sheriff authorized both units to raid the mobile home on the chance Gary was still there. The sheriff did so without requesting Gareth’s permission and without a warrant. During the raid, the officers used armored vehicles to ram through the mobile home’s windows and its front and back doors, damaging the walls and the septic system. Gareth estimated that the damage caused by the raid totaled $18,778.61.

“Shortly after this procedure and before officers entered the mobile home, Gary was seen walking in the river near the Hamens’ residence. Law enforcement apprehended him at approximately 6:00 p.m,” the police report read.


freestar
Because the destruction of the Hamens’ home was completely uncalled for — since police knew before they destroyed it that Gary was not in it — Gareth filed a lawsuit to receive just compensation for his losses.


Under Article VI, Section 13 of the South Dakota state constitution, the law requires payment of “just compensation” when the private property is “taken for public use, or damaged.”

Unfortunately for Gareth, however, there is nothing in the law which states government must repair property it destroys during botched SWAT raids. So, Gareth had to fight his case all the way to the State Supreme Court of South Dakota only to find out they would rule against him.


“[O]ur prior decisions have consistently applied the public use language in article VI, § 13 to both the takings and damages clauses, while rejecting a right to compensation under article VI, § 13 when the action involved the state’s police power,” the court wrote in their decision.

The court went on to admit there were two egregious violations of the constitution during the raid:

We conclude that, at a minimum, the Sheriff’s warrantless entry into the mobile home required an objectively reasonable belief that Gary was living in and present in the home at the time of entry.

[…]
Given that law enforcement’s last contact with Gary suggested he was no longer in the home, coupled with the fact that law enforcement had surrounded the mobile home for several hours without incident or any materialized threat from Gary, we cannot determine as a matter of law that exigent circumstances existed at the time the Sheriff decided to enter the mobile home.

However, thanks to qualified immunity, there was no clearly established right of Gareth to not have his home destroyed by a SWAT team, so police and the city were not liable, according to the court.

Regardless of whether the Sheriff used excessive force, the Hamens cannot prevail because they cannot show that the Sheriff’s use of force, even if it was excessive, violated a “clearly established” right.

This is the problem with qualified immunity and why it needs to end, now.

Sadly, Gareth’s case is not at all isolated. Just last September, Erika Pruiett in Denver had her home destroyed by SWAT. At the end of the raid, she and her baby were left homeless with no compensation.


As TFTP previously reported, a married couple claimed Fresno sheriff’s officers destroyed their house by using it as a training ground for a teargas-wielding SWAT team, 50 vehicles, two helicopters, a K-9 unit and a fire truck — because an unarmed homeless man had been found in their closet. Like Gareth, after attempting to seek compensation for their incredible loss for over 3 years, the Jessens were told last year that they can kick rocks, the government who destroyed their home, owes them jack squat.


If you can take this seriously, then you have a lot more to worry about than the police.
This really is an issue. There are lines to appropriate law enforcement and to just wreck a place when there's no honest call for it, is inexcusable. Meth or not. Guns or not.
Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
This really is an issue. There are lines to appropriate law enforcement and to just wreck a place when there's no honest call for it, is inexcusable. Meth or not. Guns or not.


Exactly. But, since there *was* an honest call for it, job well done.
Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
This really is an issue. There are lines to appropriate law enforcement and to just wreck a place when there's no honest call for it, is inexcusable. Meth or not. Guns or not.


Of course, but who can be naive enough to believe an article like that? Unless they just want to....
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by hunter4623
Originally Posted by 700LH
Google "cops destroy house", this is not an isolated incident, many homeowners are completely innocent and receive zero compensation from those responsible.

Google is run by Marxist’s. You think the algorithm is set up to put cops in a good light?





Why are you still using gaggle?

So use Duckduckgo the results are the same.....




Whichever, dude. Get your face out of gaggle.. Or dig deeper
i'm not pissed. these cops knew exactly what they were doing. they trashed a meth house.

you think in little ol hamlin county it's a great mystery who's running meth?

nope.

thanks pd, glad to know once in a while the cops do the right thing
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
It’s not about qualified immunity. The department/county/city/state doesn’t pay because the homeowners insurance policy will pay and the court can levy restitution on the guy they were after once he’s convicted.


If they weren't immune the property would never have been damaged in the first place. As related above, cops can do the job without the damage. And it's not the "all cops are bad" nonsense. It's management and training developed with immunity.

How are you OK with anyone ever damaging your home?


First, I avoid aiding and abetting fugitives. Second, if a fugitive just happened to end up on my property, I understand that no one should risk their life to secure my property. That’s where tactics come in. If property damage means people go home safe, then so be it.
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Good Shoot


Hahaha. Winner, winner....
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite
Qualified immunity must end.



Do you have any idea how fugking stupid you sound when you say that?


If any patient dies under the care of a healthcare worker ( nurse, surgeon., EMT ..) they should also have qualified immunity taken away to and be charged with murder.
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