I've been fortunate enough to have visited or at least passed through just about every local in the U.S. Now I find myself restless. I'm kinda retired, most of my family is gone or not-relevant, no close personal relationships in the area, and basically nothing tying me to this area other than chili and mountains. SO, I've decided to move somewhere more to my liking, and not the desert I've inhabited for 50 years. My idea is 2-5 acres, semi rural (but remember 'rural' to me is a neighbor 20 miles away.) 1500ish sf home. Just me and dogs, so 'fancy' isn't much of a concern. Montana is near the top, but I hate the cold. and I'm afraid of Jim Conrad. Missouri- Enough hills and streams to make it interesting. South Carolina- Food, water, mountains and maybe enough country. Tennessee-Spent months at a time there, but it may actually be more backwater than is N.M. Kentucky. Beautiful, water, and seemingly reasonably price. Maybe West Virginia.
What are y'all's opinions? Just gathering all info possible to decide where to vamoose too. (Is it correct to use two apostrophe's in one word?)
Just depends on what you want. I don't ever want to live in a blue state, or east of the Mississippi or west of the Rockies. Way to full of "libtard" thinking for me. i been in Alaska since 1965 and dying here is just fine with me.
Agree with most of your sentiments. No blue states for me. East of the Mississippi is nearly one big town, but there are pockets of relative isolation. Alaska is intriguing, but still too damn cold.
You're not on my ignore list like that other guy holding his catch, so here's my .02c. I don't know about your property taxes, but I'd check to make sure that won't be an issue wherever you might go. Californians are fleeing their ruined state for lack of retirement rent to their beloved state. Some here, but others Florida, etc.
If you are a desert dweller, I would ask myself if I would be comfortable in a colder or place with high humidity. In WVa it's obviously both. Weather variety, but not usually too much of either. Once you get acclimated to 97°+/-. it starts back down. Same goes with the couple weeks of hovering single digits.
Economy is awful in most of it. It will likely continue that way as joe closes coal plants and mining. The places I've been, the people are friendlier than city folks, with exceptions. Rural land far from cities is available. Close to....scarce but takes time.
It's a statewide second A sanctuary. Virginia is for Lovers they say. West Virginia is for lovers of 2A freedom. One of the first to become Vt style carry any way you want.
If you really want your neighbor 20 miles away your options in the lower 48 are pretty low.
And people usually find they don’t want to live THAT rural.
^^^ This ^^^
Pretty much any state bordering the Mississippi River and eastward you most likely would not find available real estate anywhere even close to being 20 miles to the nearest neighbor. Acreage in general and homes with small acreage has gotten ridiculously expensive, too. Even in areas with what are seemingly reasonable property tax rates, the increase in appraisal values have gotten so high you still wind up getting hammered hard. Homeowners insurance on rural property can get pretty expensive too due to either none or a formal fire department within a reasonable distance.
As to living "THAT rural", fact is, as we age, visits to doctors, pharmacies, hospitals, etc., typically get more and more frequent for most of us.
Watched my father and mother-in-law go through that. For years they lived in the church parsonage in a small town and planned on retiring on their semi-rural farm. As they got older though, and their medical care needs increased, they saw and accepted the 'writing on the wall'. They decided to continue to rent the farm house out and bought a little, easy to care for house with a small yard in a town of around 25k population with multiple doctors, pharmacies, a full service hospital, stores, and close enough to a larger town with 3 major hospitals, many, many more doctors, specialists, etc, that they could drive to in 15 - 20 minutes.
I've been fortunate enough to have visited or at least passed through just about every local in the U.S. Now I find myself restless. I'm kinda retired, most of my family is gone or not-relevant, no close personal relationships in the area, and basically nothing tying me to this area other than chili and mountains. SO, I've decided to move somewhere more to my liking, and not the desert I've inhabited for 50 years. My idea is 2-5 acres, semi rural (but remember 'rural' to me is a neighbor 20 miles away.) 1500ish sf home. Just me and dogs, so 'fancy' isn't much of a concern. Montana is near the top, but I hate the cold. and I'm afraid of Jim Conrad. Missouri- Enough hills and streams to make it interesting. South Carolina- Food, water, mountains and maybe enough country. Tennessee-Spent months at a time there, but it may actually be more backwater than is N.M. Kentucky. Beautiful, water, and seemingly reasonably price. Maybe West Virginia.
What are y'all's opinions? Just gathering all info possible to decide where to vamoose too. (Is it correct to use two apostrophe's in one word?)
It seems like TN would be a good bet. If I were in your shoes WY would be high on my list but since you don’t like the cold TN is a beautiful state and has the moderate winters you’ve looking for.
Do you like wet or dry? In general, the east is wet. Then you go over the hump to western slope of the Rockies and it's dry. The last few years it's been REALLY dry. We haven't had more than an inch of rain at the same time for a couple years. The dry lasts until you cross the Cascades where you get rain and liberals - think Seattle and Portland.
I would look for a state without a state income tax, as well as what the cost of living is. Another concern as you/we get older is what is health care like and how far would I need to travel in order to get to quality heath care
I would look for a state without a state income tax, as well as what the cost of living is. Another concern as you/we get older is what is health care like and how far would I need to travel in order to get to quality heath care
SW Misery is good. NW Misery would be bad. Too many people moving out of KCMO. It takes a long time to "Countryfy" a died in the wool city guy. Be Well, RZ.
if you come to the southeast, or east coast you're gonna have to deal with Hurricane season.
the weather is one thing we defiantly didn't take into consideration. Alabama is Tax friendly, Gun friendly, I get my Medical stuff easy, cost of living is good, but you're dodging tornados 6 months of the year and Hurricanes the other 6..it sux, I hate this place because of the weather.
WV is about as 2A friendly as they come. Prices for real estate are rising, but nothing like some places. HS internet might be lacking in some more rural areas. Public hunting land is abundant, and in a few select bowhunting-only counties, there are some real monsters. Elsewhere, maybe not so much. Besides deer, we have a good many bears and even a few true European boars that may be hunted (until they’re all gone). Elk are in progress due to programs in neighboring states that make it feasible. Turkeys and small game are everywhere. The Governor is working hard to reduce taxes. There’s skiing, whitewater rafting, hiking, fishing; all that good stuff.
Main downsides are limited employment opportunity, and in some depressed rural areas, drugs and property crime are pretty bad. I’m very happy here in the Eastern Panhandle, and am too old to move, otherwise I’d consider a more central location like Pocahontas County.
I came from the Peoples Republic of Maryland, and now that my father’s estate is about settled, I may never venture into that vale of tears again, except to pass through on my way to PA once in a while. I’m staying out of VA more and more too, though the neighboring counties aren’t so bad as the D.C. suburbs. Aside from the need to visit cemeteries elsewhere, I could stay within the the confines of WV forever with absolutely no hardship.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
Most places in the southeast don’t tax retirement income so a state that is unfriendly for workers like MS or AL can be attractive for retirees. I have a place in MS but my home is FL partly because of the state income tax. As I type this I’m sitting on my couch watching the waves of the gulf roll in.
I’m partial to the southeast, I don’t really feel at home elsewhere. There’s plenty of rural here, it’s nothing like the paved over parking lots of the northeast. The west is a good place to visit but too little water and too many displaced Californians controlling the politics. I also like cold less and less as I get older.
Easy proximity to saltwater is a big factor for me, nothing improves my mood like that.
You're not on my ignore list like that other guy holding his catch, .
Huh don't think I ever corresponded with you
Sorry Chris. Not you either. I blurted out the first thing that came to mind since it was maybe 4am and no sleep. I should have stopped to think that there's probably a hundred of us on here that fish. Correspond anytime.
IWhat are y'all's opinions? Just gathering all info possible to decide where to vamoose too. (Is it correct to use two apostrophe's in one word?)
I can't think of much that would entice me to move farther east than the foothills of the Rockies and maybe the Dakotas. It would take a lot of money guaranteed up front and be a temporary situation guaranteed up front.
Politics are a thing, taxes are a thing, no way around that. There is an amount of politics and taxes I'd put up with if the tradeoff is good enough hunting and fishing ... there are no utopias, no place that is perfect. It's a question of finding the most advantageous, or least disadvantageous, compromise.
Oregon is home. There are issues but I've grown up playing the system to get what I want out of it. It would be hard to leave. At the same time, not knowing the ropes, it might be hard to get started in. My first choices if I were to leave would be Idaho, Montana, possibly Wyoming, and some of the more mountainous parts of Nevada and Utah. Could consider parts of Colorado, New Mexico, and maybe Arizona ... maybe even California ... but probably not Washington. I don't know enough about real Alaska vs dream Alaska to be sure 'bout that one.
I'm IN New Mexico. I have a 10,000' mountain literally out my back door, and I can see Mt. Taylor 70 miles away out my front door. Flatland makes me claustrophobic. But I'm tired of the politics here, the real lack of water, and the overall culture is no longer desirable. At the same time, couldn't move somewhere that would make me an instant felon for the various bits of plastic owned. I've decided I need rain more often than twice a month.
You're not on my ignore list like that other guy holding his catch, .
Huh don't think I ever corresponded with you
Sorry Chris. Not you either. I blurted out the first thing that came to mind since it was maybe 4am and no sleep. I should have stopped to think that there's probably a hundred of us on here that fish. Correspond anytime.
I thought it was still open as long as you weren't from either coast. Anyway I have thought of SW Misery myself. And I already live in Misery. Be Well, RZ.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
That kind of money gets you a lot in the mountains of western NC or eastern TN. There are a lot of lakes in the area and a lot of public land. Finding a place that backs up to the National Forest is still pretty easy. I'd buy land now and build when the stupid stops.
Sprint11: I see NO reason what so ever that anyone should fear jimconrad he has a penchant for bluster but I am sure he is harmless! Move to Montana! Taxes are low, people are friendly, endless opportunities for recreation (except surfing) and there is room to roam. I was hesitant about the winters here as I was born, raised and lived the first 50 years of my life in a very moderate climate area (Puget Sound). I absolutely LOVE the winters here in Montana - done 24 of them now and "no problemo". Then springs, summers and falls hereabouts are nothing less than glorious. Like you "I been around" and there is no place that is as wonderful, welcoming, entertaining and low stress as is Montana. Best of luck to you wherever you decide. Long live The Big Sky. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Sprint11: I see NO reason what so ever that anyone should fear jimconrad he has a penchant for bluster but I am sure he is harmless! Move to Montana! Taxes are low, people are friendly, endless opportunities for recreation (except surfing) and there is room to roam. I was hesitant about the winters here as I was born, raised and lived the first 50 years of my life in a very moderate climate area (Puget Sound). I absolutely LOVE the winters here in Montana - done 24 of them now and "no problemo". Then springs, summers and falls hereabouts are nothing less than glorious. Like you "I been around" and there is no place that is as wonderful, welcoming, entertaining and low stress as is Montana. Best of luck to you wherever you decide. Long live The Big Sky. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Idaho is better than Montana all around. But if it was me, Mississippi.
Sprint11: I see NO reason what so ever that anyone should fear jimconrad he has a penchant for bluster but I am sure he is harmless! Move to Montana! Taxes are low, people are friendly, endless opportunities for recreation (except surfing) and there is room to roam. I was hesitant about the winters here as I was born, raised and lived the first 50 years of my life in a very moderate climate area (Puget Sound). I absolutely LOVE the winters here in Montana - done 24 of them now and "no problemo". Then springs, summers and falls hereabouts are nothing less than glorious. Like you "I been around" and there is no place that is as wonderful, welcoming, entertaining and low stress as is Montana. Best of luck to you wherever you decide. Long live The Big Sky. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I'm thinking northwest Oklahoma. If I could get the wife to move it would be to the open plains. Southwest Kansas has been a silent dream of mine but Oklahoma is doable.
Vermont...winters are cold and taxes are high. Most of the state is beautiful, rural and a great place to stay away from the liberals who inhabit the cities which are all small. Personally I like all 4 seasons.
If you really can’t take the cold, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho might not be the places for you. We had snow on the ground here today in Bozeman, and we had snow on the ground the first day of school last fall. Other than that, VarmintGuy is correct: Montana is a wonderful place. Get outside of Bozeman, Missoula and Kalispell and prices are more reasonable, though they are rising rapidly everywhere. Great hunting and lots of access, great fishing, camping and backpacking, mountain biking and even boating are all readily available here. Friendly people, reasonable tax rates and a business friendly environment round out the picture.Having said that, the craziness that has consumed Colorado, Oregon and Washington is readily evident here now. It might be a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but the hand writing is on the wall: Montana will someday be as insane as Oregon and Washington and California.
I am considering moving back to my home state of South Dakota. The Black Hills are super nice, and have a milder climate than western Montana, though it still is cold and snowy in the winter. Hunting is excellent as as the fishing. Hiking, camping and mountain biking are all great in the Black Hills. Rapid City has an excellent medical community and is large enough to have interesting attractions without being so large that it is unlivable. The political climate and tax structure are also advantageous. Just a thought.
When I have thought about this myself (not that I would ever do it - much too set in my ways), I have come to the conclusion that once I got down to what I thought was a good place, I would go there and rent something, even an apartment, for at least six months to find out what the area and people were really like before I made a permanent move. Wherever you decide to land, best wishes to you.
IWhat are y'all's opinions? Just gathering all info possible to decide where to vamoose too. (Is it correct to use two apostrophe's in one word?)
I can't think of much that would entice me to move farther east than the foothills of the Rockies and maybe the Dakotas. It would take a lot of money guaranteed up front and be a temporary situation guaranteed up front.
Politics are a thing, taxes are a thing, no way around that. There is an amount of politics and taxes I'd put up with if the tradeoff is good enough hunting and fishing ... there are no utopias, no place that is perfect. It's a question of finding the most advantageous, or least disadvantageous, compromise.
Oregon is home. There are issues but I've grown up playing the system to get what I want out of it. It would be hard to leave. At the same time, not knowing the ropes, it might be hard to get started in. My first choices if I were to leave would be Idaho, Montana, possibly Wyoming, and some of the more mountainous parts of Nevada and Utah. Could consider parts of Colorado, New Mexico, and maybe Arizona ... maybe even California ... but probably not Washington. I don't know enough about real Alaska vs dream Alaska to be sure 'bout that one.
Are you in one of the Oregon counties that voted about switching to Idaho? Saw that and found it interesting, and similar to what happened n VA not long ago.
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
I can’t see where I said anything about your fish - what’s up with the comment?
Anyway, based on you comments I don’t think Montana is for you - it’s snowing here at my house as I write this...
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
That kind of money gets you a lot in the mountains of western NC or eastern TN. There are a lot of lakes in the area and a lot of public land. Finding a place that backs up to the National Forest is still pretty easy. I'd buy land now and build when the stupid stops.
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
That is spartan level travelling! I just arrived in Elko, Nv. after taking 3 days to drive here from Gold Beach, Or.
Note: The people we encountered in the small towns of Oregon were fiercely conservative, mask averse and very friendly. There is some wide open spaces from Burns to the Idaho border that looked really good to me. Who knew?
To the OP. I would locate in Idaho Falls and have an Airstream to travel where the weather, hunting and fishing dictated.
Leaving the West for the south...or Texas is out of the question.
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
That is spartan level travelling! I just arrived in Elko, Nv. after taking 3 days to drive here from Gold Beach, Or.
Note: The people we encountered in the small towns of Oregon were fiercely conservative, mask averse and very friendly. There is some wide open spaces from Burns to the Idaho border that looked really good to me. Who knew?
To the OP. I would locate in Idaho Falls and have an Airstream to travel where the weather, hunting and fishing dictated.
Leaving the West for the south...or Texas is out of the question.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
That kind of money gets you a lot in the mountains of western NC or eastern TN. There are a lot of lakes in the area and a lot of public land. Finding a place that backs up to the National Forest is still pretty easy. I'd buy land now and build when the stupid stops.
I'm a big fan of Southeast Montana. Plenty rural, better weather, beautiful country! Billings, Bridger Laurel area. Plenty to do. Great fishing and plenty of open land. Go east and south from there! Western south Dakota?
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
To the OP. I would locate in Idaho Falls and have an Airstream to travel where the weather, hunting and fishing dictated. mie r
I suspect that it has been a while since you have been to Idaho Falls, it is booming like the Boise area. I have acquaintances who live in that area who say "WTF" is going on here - I can't believe the way this area is growing. It is not just Idaho Falls itself but the whole surrounding area is growing like crazy, prices are going up and the average time for property to sell has gone from weeks to days.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
I can’t see where I said anything about your fish - what’s up with the comment?
Anyway, based on you comments I don’t think Montana is for you - it’s snowing here at my house as I write this...
Happy_Camper made a comment about the fish. No idea why. You were just collateral damage.
Sprint - a young man, who worked for me part time for the best part of 20 years, moved to W Va ~ 1 year ago, and LOVES it ! He's coming out mid-June. If you'd like to visit with him, we could make him available.
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
To the OP. I would locate in Idaho Falls and have an Airstream to travel where the weather, hunting and fishing dictated. mie r
I suspect that it has been a while since you have been to Idaho Falls, it is booming like the Boise area. I have acquaintances who live in that area who say "WTF" is going on here - I can't believe the way this area is growing. It is not just Idaho Falls itself but the whole surrounding area is growing like crazy, prices are going up and the average time for property to sell has gone from weeks to days.
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It is the location that I find most attractive. A days drive from some of my favorite places.
Nothing going on here other than getting ready to leave the Texas Hill Country for far north Idaho for a few months in a week or so. With the pup we are driving this trip, 500 miles a day, 4 days.
That is spartan level travelling! I just arrived in Elko, Nv. after taking 3 days to drive here from Gold Beach, Or.
Note: The people we encountered in the small towns of Oregon were fiercely conservative, mask averse and very friendly. There is some wide open spaces from Burns to the Idaho border that looked really good to me. Who knew?
To the OP. I would locate in Idaho Falls and have an Airstream to travel where the weather, hunting and fishing dictated.
Leaving the West for the south...or Texas is out of the question.
mie r
Most of the Oregon Coast is conservative people, except for Lincoln, Lane, and Clatsop County.
Eastern Oregon is the same, with the exception of Bend, Oregon, which is loaded with California liberals who came up in the late 70’s and early 80’s and did a huge land grab of spectacular properties.
I am actually a very nice person....but it do get cold here.
If I were gonna move...it would be way south.
Go someplace they don't call the cops if you have a lawn mower with no hood on it.
Homestead, FL!!!!
Sounds inviting!
Y'all like Mezcans, den?
Lol.
I like the food that they make.
Then you'd like Homestead.
More Mexicans than Cubans.
Haha.
Those Caucasians from Cuba make a good sandwich I hear.
A Cuban sandwich is fine eats. Ham, pork, cheese, pickles. Used to work a couple blocks from a Cuban restaurant. All their food was good, solid stuff, not too spicy. Rice, black beans, with a little onion and lettuce, plus some spicy beef or chicken. Nice folks too.
Follow your stomach. South Louisiana has the best food on planet earth. Summer is hot but the beer is ice cold. Housing is cheap. Family are the people next door or across the street. Give ya anything including the shirt off there back to help. If thats you then your home.
Sprint - a young man, who worked for me part time for the best part of 20 years, moved to W Va ~ 1 year ago, and LOVES it ! He's coming out mid-June. If you'd like to visit with him, we could make him available.
Mark, Good to hear from ya. I may be able to take ya up on that.
Sprint, if you're serious about TN and KY, I suggest you take a hard look at the Dale Hollow area. Half a mil would go a really long way. Whitetail populations would be better further west. But it is a hell of a nice smallmouth lake.
North Dakota is your huckleberry, sunshine, mild temperatures, cheap cost of living, gentle breezes, women behind every tree. Paradise.
Well that's completely made up! Have made my acquaintance with a few women from Nort Dakooota and spent many months there in all seasons. But too flat, 30* below is not mild, and the skeeters are as big as crows. The low cost of living is true, though, and I do like sunshine at 10 p.m. in July.
Unfortunately, Idaho is sinking into a liberal morass.
Boise, their largest city, now has a liberal Democrat female mayor. The whole area of Boise west to Oregon is a drug dealer’s paradise, and crime is on a serious upswing. Californians are swamping the state by the thousands and real estate prices are skyrocketing.
Someone mentioned Nevada as a possibility - I’ve lived in the Reno/Sparks area of Nevada for almost 20 years now. It gets hot in the summer, but low humidity means it gets beautifully cool every evening, and if you get up early enough in the morning you can get outdoor work done without keeling over with sunstroke.
It does snow, but not much – the main difficulty is getting over the pass on Hwy 80 if you have relatives in CA, as I do – but 4-wheel drive and some good tires generally take care of that. Entertainment, education and medical care are all top-rate.
There is some good hunting and fishing here, but you generally have to travel anywhere from a few to several hours to get there, and you have to be pretty lucky to get a tag for the really good areas.
The problem here is the same that is destroying so many beautiful places – we somehow just elected a liberal Democrat governor even though the state is solidly red everywhere but in a single county. At the same time, we somehow elected a majority Democrat legislature (Soros and his voting machines?). So what we get is a bill shoved through the necessary committees that is put before the legislature just hours before the vote is to be taken, then passed by an unbreakable party-line vote.
The governor, of course, signs any piece of liberal crap put on his desk (especially if it has anything to do with 2A rights), with the result being the state is rapidly becoming Eastern California.
Add to that a population boom that is bringing increased traffic and crowding everywhere you go, and this place is becoming unbearable for a small-town conservative like me.
As much as I’ve loved living here, I wouldn’t recommend it for the OP.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
I can’t see where I said anything about your fish - what’s up with the comment?
Anyway, based on you comments I don’t think Montana is for you - it’s snowing here at my house as I write this...
Happy_Camper made a comment about the fish. No idea why. You were just collateral damage.
You’re like Don Quixote... and that’s no compliment.
Because it checks most of the other boxes! Mountains, Water, 2A, Enough civilization, Hunting, etc. It may just be too cold. and I'd have to be on the lookout for Conrad. I said 'semi'-rural, meaning not being in the middle of a 50000 acre ranch, but not the insipid 'suburbs' either. Budget $5-600 Tn's income tax is pretty attractive. Don't know why holding a fish offends someone, and don't know why you'd ignore someone for it, but whatever.
I can’t see where I said anything about your fish - what’s up with the comment?
Anyway, based on you comments I don’t think Montana is for you - it’s snowing here at my house as I write this...
Happy_Camper made a comment about the fish. No idea why. You were just collateral damage.
You’re like Don Quixote... and that’s no compliment.
I'm a big fan of Southeast Montana. Plenty rural, better weather, beautiful country! Billings, Bridger Laurel area. Plenty to do. Great fishing and plenty of open land. Go east and south from there! Western south Dakota?
he'd hate south dakota. nothing but flies and fleas out here. horrible cold cold weather year round and the hunting and fishing just sucks. all the pheasants were shot out years ago and the few mangy deer we have are small and hard to get tags for. Forget about politics, even our governor has plans to move way east in a few years. I wouldn't even bother wasting your time looking here......
Montana is now the #1 destination for those escaping CA, OR and WA. They will bring their loony left politics w/them. Check out your Senator. Colleges there provide the commie seeds to infect the state.
I'm a big fan of Southeast Montana. Plenty rural, better weather, beautiful country! Billings, Bridger Laurel area. Plenty to do. Great fishing and plenty of open land. Go east and south from there! Western south Dakota?
he'd hate south dakota. nothing but flies and fleas out here. horrible cold cold weather year round and the hunting and fishing just sucks. all the pheasants were shot out years ago and the few mangy deer we have are small and hard to get tags for. Forget about politics, even our governor has plans to move way east in a few years. I wouldn't even bother wasting your time looking here......
In all seriousness, Oklahoma is a solid red state, wonderful 2nd Amendment laws and is 96% privately owned so there will be lots of land to choose from. The SE is pine forests with gravel bottom rivers and the NW is the foothills of the Rockies. More miles of lake shoreline than the gulf of mexico and lots of hunting. Our tax burden is pretty low and there is a move on to lower it more. Give us a look.
6 years ago someone sent me a link to a 42 acre plot in Tennessee. Told the wife I was interested in it. She about blew a gasket and said no way in hell would she ever move there. We were living in Colorado Springs at the time and both of us HATED it. I slowly worked on the wife telling her the advantages of retiring in TN. About 6 months later she agreed to fly over with me and inspect the land. Before we finished walking half the property we both decided to buy it. We had a 1,000 sq ft workshop built then a house. Trying to give you an idea of property taxes outside a city...................42 acres, custom brick home 2300 sq ft, 1 acre lake, 1,000 sq ft workshop...would estimate the value today at $450K for all of it. Our annual property tax bill is roughly $1300 a year. Our electricity costs from $85-150, usually higher in the summer due to AC. Natural gas runs $28-45. Water $30-45. We can access 75% of the population of the USA within a 1 days drive. Medical care is superb. UT one direction, Vanderbilt the other. Most neighbors are about as friendly as they can be and they dont get into your business.
No state income tax, but the big negative is sales tax which runs from 7.5 to 9.5%. In all fairness, if you dont make or spend a lot then you dont pay much in tax. Costs $29 a year to register any car or PU truck. No emission's testing or inspections required either. We do see snow a few times a year but its usually gone the next day. It can get hot in the summer but we live on the Cumberland Plateau so it helps cool us down a little.
We have no regrets about retiring here. Every new house that is being built within 5 miles of us belongs to people moving here from other states.
Get out and travel around. Everyone has their own idea of the "perfect place". One mans pleasure is another's poison.
OSU_Sig: Oklahoma sounds great, but I'm a little confused by this statement:
"96% privately owned so there will be lots of land to choose from." - doesn't 96% privately owned land mean there's LITTLE to choose from when looking for a good hunting area?
OSU_Sig: Oklahoma sounds great, but I'm a little confused by this statement:
"96% privately owned so there will be lots of land to choose from." - doesn't 96% privately owned land mean there's LITTLE to choose from when looking for a good hunting area?
I was wondering the same thing. I don't know how I would live in a place like that.
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