Raptors have done well for years now. Pretty sure they're part of the reason wild turkey populations are struggling.

Eagles don't live in harmony with humans, facts are they've been known to attach kids and pets. All varmints need killing. I've seen a red tail hawk eating a turkey poult. Our turkey population has been down for some reason the last few years, my guess is it's just a cycle.

So might I ask once again ... where are these turkey populations that are decreasing that some of you speak of?

Be specific if you don't mind. At least name the states and provide some links ... or it didn't frickin' happen boys.

Pesticides, yeah maybe. Fireants, wild pigs and yotes ... yeah, no doubt.

But it's not the birds of prey. So just stop it.

In the meantime I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll call over and talk to a friend of mine higher up at the WTF and see if I can come over for a visit and view his latest population numbers ... perhaps he'll even let me take a picture of his wall. I wanna hear all about these murdering damn bald eagles decimating the turkey populations across the land.

Lol

So might I ask once again ... where are these turkey populations that are decreasing that some of you speak of?

Be specific if you don't mind. At least name the states and provide some links ... or it didn't frickin' happen boys.

Pesticides, yeah maybe. Fireants, wild pigs and yotes ... yeah, no doubt.

But it's not the birds of prey. So just stop it.

In the meantime I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll call over and talk to a friend of mine higher up at the WTF and see if I can come over for a visit and view his latest population numbers ... perhaps he'll even let me take a picture of his wall. I wanna hear all about these murdering damn bald eagles decimating the turkey populations across the land.

Lol

So might I ask once again ... where are these turkey populations that are decreasing that some of you speak of?

Be specific if you don't mind. At least name the states and provide some links ... or it didn't frickin' happen boys.

Pesticides, yeah maybe. Fireants, wild pigs and yotes ... yeah, no doubt.

But it's not the birds of prey. So just stop it.

In the meantime I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll call over and talk to a friend of mine higher up at the WTF and see if I can come over for a visit and view his latest population numbers ... perhaps he'll even let me take a picture of his wall. I wanna hear all about these murdering damn bald eagles decimating the turkey populations across the land.

Lol

ETA: seriously, that sheep farmer in Idaho has done something to anger those birds ... they sending him a message. There is more to that story than anyone is letting-on. Eagles live in harmony with humans ... that sheep farmer did something to those birds. And it's not because of the late ice, that's bravo sierra.

Armadillos and yotes are hitting our local turkey pops hard.

Nests and poults respectively.

Lol, Holy fuqk me!

It doesn't take much research to find out turkey populations have been on the decline in several Eastern states over the last 10-20 years.

youre wrong. the duck hunting along our river has drastically been altered in quality in the last 8 -10 years. we routinely have eagles perching in trees above decoys, hell i have ahd them dive bomb dekes thinking they were real birds. hawks, owls, eagls all need to be managed through killing just like every other predator

I know, right?

They're talking about us having so many male baldies that other states are looking to transplant some into their states .... just like they did with the turkeys 100 years ago. Running the diversion canal between the upper and lower lake at Santee Cooper is like walking down Haye Street in 1975 with all the airborne hard dicks lined up looking for patooty in Fayetteville ... there must be 75 baldy males along that canal waiting for fishermen to dump fish guts and heads at the marinas.

I know, right?

that wouldn't be bleeding fart preservationism and is too logical for big city folks like Screwster.

PETA? BTW, the biggest issue for turkeys are the nest robbers. Particularly raccoons. If raccoons were people they would all be in prison, they are thugs of the first order. We need more trappers willing to trap nest robbers like coons and skunks. Same for crow hunters, dang crows pillage a turkey next too.

I've always been fairly convinced that humans, as a whole, are idiots.

seriously, that sheep farmer in Idaho has done something to anger those birds ... they sending him a message. There is more to that story than anyone is letting-on. Eagles live in harmony with humans ... that sheep farmer did something to those birds. And it's not because of the late ice, that's bravo sierra.

eagles, should have a bounty on them

I've never been a fan of coon hunting because it is not humane imho

Raptors have done well for years now. Pretty sure they're part of the reason wild turkey populations are struggling.

youre wrong. the duck hunting along our river has drastically been altered in quality in the last 8 -10 years. we routinely have eagles perching in trees above decoys, hell i have ahd them dive bomb dekes thinking they were real birds. hawks, owls, eagls all need to be managed through killing just like every other predator

So might I ask once again ... where are these turkey populations that are decreasing that some of you speak of?

Be specific if you don't mind. At least name the states and provide some links ... or it didn't frickin' happen boys.

Pesticides, yeah maybe. Fireants, wild pigs and yotes ... yeah, no doubt.

But it's not the birds of prey. So just stop it.

In the meantime I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll call over and talk to a friend of mine higher up at the WTF and see if I can come over for a visit and view his latest population numbers ... perhaps he'll even let me take a picture of his wall. I wanna hear all about these murdering damn bald eagles decimating the turkey populations across the land.

Lol

I'm interested in exactly when eagles got emotions, the ability to reason, and far beyond that, the ability to plot and execute revenge.

Perhaps your next novel can enlighten us.

Nah ... I'll spare you the lesson. You already know everything there is to know about wildlife, nature, animal instincts, etc. And you've already admitted your ADD issues and reading comprehension issues ... so nah, it would be a waste of my time.

Local guy lost a calf a few years back.

The calf (remains of) was found across the river, at the base of an old snag tree with an eagle nest in the top of it.

The calf was a very small newborn. The eagles were goldens.

And yes, it has always been known that bald eagles will steal lambs and baby goats, or fawns, or cats, or small dogs, or elk calves, etc, etc. 'Tis why Elmer used to shoot them.

Well, just to illustrate your ignorance in as clear and concise of a mental picture as possible ....

My heart bleeds for nothing except my family, close friends and loved ones ... and my dogs, my horses. And I had this pet chicken one time back in the 50s that I saved from the slaughter .... but, other than that, nah, my heart doesn't bleed.

My heart "broke" (didn't bleed) one time, just graduated from college and was about to take my commission and my girlfriend, greatest T&A in history, green eyes, dirty blonde hair, big luscious lips ... could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch ... she broke up with me four days before I shipped out to my first duty station at Bragg ... the bitch. I almost fapped myself to death for the next two weeks ... then I met my first wife at Bragg. She broke my bank account, made my bank account bleed twenty years later ... but not my heart.

I don't like it when whales or elephants are killed .... I see no purpose in it whatsoever. But I have no problems with killing, no qualms with it whatsoever. I've done it most of my life.

I've not lived in a big city in my entire life. The two largest were probably in the military, Fayetteville, NC and Vicenza, Italy. I mean the wife and I had condos in Honolulu and Naples when she was still working for a big multinational ... but I never considered those places as "living there." We were back and forth so much I just looked at them as three and four and five month vacations when we bounced back and forth between the two.

So strike two on your bullshit perception skills ... Kreskin or Uri Gellar, or whomever it is that you are claiming to be that affords you these extra sensory perception skills of yours.

What I do, where I live, is on my 600+ acre chicken farm with 16 chicken houses that currently have about half a million chickens in them, some of which may eventually end-up in your fat ass no doubt.

In the lower pasture I have, right now, 71 head of grass fed red Angus grazing. We'll be moving them up to the upper pasture this week ... where the big pond is, where the breeding pair of eagles have nested ... we need them up there before the heat sets in for the summer and before we head to our place on Devil's Lake in Michigan later this month through mid July.

So .... again, you're full of bravo sierra.

Next comes the bit about the NWTF guys being bleeding hearts. There couldn't be a more false accusation. They're all good guys. Hell, even the chubby blonde event planning lady is as staunchly Conservative as the rest of us. Hardcore conservatives, hunters, fishermen. Being a conservationist does not make one a libtard. Plenty of us are into game management ... numbnuts. So careful who you call a bleeding heart liberal ... you never know when you'll do it to the wrong man irl and he'll make you pay for flapping those gums of yours.

So I dunno ... am I telling the truth? Or were you?

I'm calling you a liar.

In the meantime I've got a call-in to **** ********, a very well respected turkey biologist who specializes in their north American existence and habitat and has written a number of papers on every aspect of the north american wild turkey ... I met him at a fundraiser ... and we'll see who is full of [bleep].

**** is very familiar with the bald eagle population in this state as well, along with the other dozen predatory birds we have here.

Lol ... I wanna hear all about these birds plucking innocent babies from their mother's arms and murdering turkeys just for the sake of killing.

I've been all over the world. Fought in places that had every kind of dangerous critter known to man and one thing I learned ... no wild single species kills randomly or for sport on this planet except for one ... man. Humans. Are there occasionally rogues in various species that get pissed-off and exact revenge for something or other? Absolutely, I've seen it from both a big cat in South America and a big brownie in Alaska. But it is humans that do what some of you are claiming ... not birds.

:::::::: long pause :::::::

So my call was returned. We spoke a long time. Really fun conversation. Great guy. I blanked out his name because he just doesn't have the time to field a bunch of calls from the Internet.

What he told me was, and he used a lot of big words that I'll never be able to spell much less remember or pronounce but ... I'll do my best to keep it short and sweet and in layman's terms.

So the Golden eagles have been known to hit a turkey or two but the north American turkey population is in no way in danger .... not even close. It is thriving and thriving everywhere.

I was wrong in a previous post about yotes and pigs and fireants killing more turkeys than anything .... the actual answer is raccoons and it's not even close. They are the number one turkey predator on this continent.

We both laughed at the claims of eagles killing infant children .... it's all BS. He said there was a 3D fake video made some years ago that was bogus that is apparently what everyone is referencing. And that maybe an Osprey attacked someone on a beach some years ago and scratched that person ... but all the rest of the stories are legend and myth.

He had a long scientific name for what the eagles are doing to the sheep ... he said turkeys do the same thing when teaching their young to look for food, etc., except it's bugs instead of sheep humping sister bangers.

I mean the conversation went on and on ... great guy.

I am absolutely lulzing at every idiot who claims these eagles are vicious murdering child killing for sport predators.

We even talked about what a huge mistake it is going to be if Idaho allows 90% of the wolves up there to be slaughtered. And we talked about the wild horse slaughter.

I've always been fairly convinced that humans, as a whole, are idiots. Some in this thread, and a couple of you PMing me claiming I have no compassion for the innocent children being slaughtered by eagles .... ho li [bleep] have you reinforced my belief that a great many humans are walking talking embicles. I'm tempted to publish your names and PMs to this thread just to illustrate to the other sane ones out here what fricking fruitcakes you are. Lol

youre wrong. the duck hunting along our river has drastically been altered in quality in the last 8 -10 years. we routinely have eagles perching in trees above decoys, hell i have ahd them dive bomb dekes thinking they were real birds. hawks, owls, eagls all need to be managed through killing just like every other predator

Well, just to illustrate your ignorance in as clear and concise of a mental picture as possible ....

My heart bleeds for nothing except my family, close friends and loved ones ... and my dogs, my horses. And I had this pet chicken one time back in the 50s that I saved from the slaughter .... but, other than that, nah, my heart doesn't bleed.

My heart "broke" (didn't bleed) one time, just graduated from college and was about to take my commission and my girlfriend, greatest T&A in history, green eyes, dirty blonde hair, big luscious lips ... could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch ... she broke up with me four days before I shipped out to my first duty station at Bragg ... the bitch. I almost fapped myself to death for the next two weeks ... then I met my first wife at Bragg. She broke my bank account, made my bank account bleed twenty years later ... but not my heart.

I don't like it when whales or elephants are killed .... I see no purpose in it whatsoever. But I have no problems with killing, no qualms with it whatsoever. I've done it most of my life.

I've not lived in a big city in my entire life. The two largest were probably in the military, Fayetteville, NC and Vicenza, Italy. I mean the wife and I had condos in Honolulu and Naples when she was still working for a big multinational ... but I never considered those places as "living there." We were back and forth so much I just looked at them as three and four and five month vacations when we bounced back and forth between the two.

So strike two on your bullshit perception skills ... Kreskin or Uri Gellar, or whomever it is that you are claiming to be that affords you these extra sensory perception skills of yours.

What I do, where I live, is on my 600+ acre chicken farm with 16 chicken houses that currently have about half a million chickens in them, some of which may eventually end-up in your fat ass no doubt.

In the lower pasture I have, right now, 71 head of grass fed red Angus grazing. We'll be moving them up to the upper pasture this week ... where the big pond is, where the breeding pair of eagles have nested ... we need them up there before the heat sets in for the summer and before we head to our place on Devil's Lake in Michigan later this month through mid July.

So .... again, you're full of bravo sierra.

Next comes the bit about the NWTF guys being bleeding hearts. There couldn't be a more false accusation. They're all good guys. Hell, even the chubby blonde event planning lady is as staunchly Conservative as the rest of us. Hardcore conservatives, hunters, fishermen. Being a conservationist does not make one a libtard. Plenty of us are into game management ... numbnuts. So careful who you call a bleeding heart liberal ... you never know when you'll do it to the wrong man irl and he'll make you pay for flapping those gums of yours.

So I dunno ... am I telling the truth? Or were you?

I'm calling you a liar.

In the meantime I've got a call-in to **** ********, a very well respected turkey biologist who specializes in their north American existence and habitat and has written a number of papers on every aspect of the north american wild turkey ... I met him at a fundraiser ... and we'll see who is full of [bleep].

**** is very familiar with the bald eagle population in this state as well, along with the other dozen predatory birds we have here.

Lol ... I wanna hear all about these birds plucking innocent babies from their mother's arms and murdering turkeys just for the sake of killing.

I've been all over the world. Fought in places that had every kind of dangerous critter known to man and one thing I learned ... no wild single species kills randomly or for sport on this planet except for one ... man. Humans. Are there occasionally rogues in various species that get pissed-off and exact revenge for something or other? Absolutely, I've seen it from both a big cat in South America and a big brownie in Alaska. But it is humans that do what some of you are claiming ... not birds.

:::::::: long pause :::::::

So my call was returned. We spoke a long time. Really fun conversation. Great guy. I blanked out his name because he just doesn't have the time to field a bunch of calls from the Internet.

What he told me was, and he used a lot of big words that I'll never be able to spell much less remember or pronounce but ... I'll do my best to keep it short and sweet and in layman's terms.

So the Golden eagles have been known to hit a turkey or two but the north American turkey population is in no way in danger .... not even close. It is thriving and thriving everywhere.

I was wrong in a previous post about yotes and pigs and fireants killing more turkeys than anything .... the actual answer is raccoons and it's not even close. They are the number one turkey predator on this continent.

We both laughed at the claims of eagles killing infant children .... it's all BS. He said there was a 3D fake video made some years ago that was bogus that is apparently what everyone is referencing. And that maybe an Osprey attacked someone on a beach some years ago and scratched that person ... but all the rest of the stories are legend and myth.

He had a long scientific name for what the eagles are doing to the sheep ... he said turkeys do the same thing when teaching their young to look for food, etc., except it's bugs instead of sheep.
.

I mean the conversation went on and on ... great guy.

I am absolutely lulzing at every idiot who claims these eagles are vicious murdering child killing for sport predators.

We even talked about what a huge mistake it is going to be if Idaho allows 90% of the wolves up there to be slaughtered. And we talked about the wild horse slaughter.

I've always been fairly convinced that humans, as a whole, are idiots. Some in this thread, and a couple of you PMing me claiming I have no compassion for the innocent children being slaughtered by eagles .... ho li [bleep] have you reinforced my belief that a great many humans are walking talking embicles. I'm tempted to publish your names and PMs to this thread just to illustrate to the other sane ones out here what fricking fruitcakes you are. Lol

No, friend, you're wrong.

The predatory birds may be there hunting the ducks like they have been for 1000s of years, I don't doubt that ... but the predatory birds are not having any negative impact on other wild birds.

That's not how nature works.

No species in the wild will eradicate its food source to the point of causing its own extinction. Not even viruses and bacterium have the ability to completely kill off humans because humans will always have at least a small segment of its population survive through natural immunity.

It cannot happen in nature. It is a virtual impossibility. What some of you are describing, or claiming, is that there are now more predatory birds in the wild than there are food source birds on which they feed ... or you are claiming a 10:1 ration even ... or 100:1 or whatever, and that is virtually impossible.

So might I ask once again ... where are these turkey populations that are decreasing that some of you speak of?

Be specific if you don't mind. At least name the states and provide some links ... or it didn't frickin' happen boys.

Pesticides, yeah maybe. Fireants, wild pigs and yotes ... yeah, no doubt.

But it's not the birds of prey. So just stop it.

In the meantime I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll call over and talk to a friend of mine higher up at the WTF and see if I can come over for a visit and view his latest population numbers ... perhaps he'll even let me take a picture of his wall. I wanna hear all about these murdering damn bald eagles decimating the turkey populations across the land.

Lol

ETA: seriously, that sheep farmer in Idaho has done something to anger those birds ... they sending him a message. There is more to that story than anyone is letting-on. Eagles live in harmony with humans ... that sheep farmer did something to those birds. And it's not because of the late ice, that's bravo sierra.

That's true ... but they don't do enough damage for it to matter. The incidents are few and far between.

So you've always been a reasonable poster. And since I am ignoring the idiots who claim birds do not feel anger or exact revenge .... here's a question for any reasonable person reading this thread.

Ever had a bird dive bomb you? I mean randomly pick you out of a crowd and just get after you? Happens along our beaches all the time. We see it along the SC coast all the time but it is so random and kinda vicious when it happens it has puzzled people for awhile.

Indians had these legends about Thunderbirds ... I'm half Texan, this family that used to work on my grandparent's ranch back in the 50s told me about the Thunderbirds of legend. Always peaked my interest.

You see actual bird attacks on YouTube these days ... usually it's a bird getting after one specific kid, daily sometimes ... people always speculate why. Well, birds do it to dogs too ... we've all seen it right? They just get a case of the ass at one thing and they hold a grudge for a long time.

Ever wonder what that is and why they do it?

Armadillos and yotes are hitting our local turkey pops hard.

Nests and poults respectively.

You and your new buddy are full of shirt. I'm not guessing when I say that the turkey population is down in middle Georgia, I live in the woods and manage our properties for deer and turkey. As a matter of fact I've seen 3 hens and bunches poults today, one hen had 14 poults from 2 different clutches. You must have never seen a catch dog get on a litter of piglets and kill them all, alligators, lions, bears kill their young. Your just another book smart, educated dummy.

Something else killing allot of game and birds is cats. It pays to shoot every one of them you see prowling the woods.

Right here in the county I live in we have better than a 50% reduction in turkeys.

Drove around a 320 acre lake this winter and counted 8 baldies, no waterfowl of any sort on the lake.

Treat birds of prey just like we do 4 legged predators and we would see an increase in turkeys and rabbits/quail.

30 years ago we started getting tons of turkeys around here. never remember seeing an eagle until 15-20 years ago, now I see at least 1 a day and we don't see or kill near the turkeys we did before we started seeing eagles. They need controlled just like we control other wildlife.

Well, just to illustrate your ignorance in as clear and concise of a mental picture as possible ....

My heart bleeds for nothing except my family, close friends and loved ones ... and my dogs, my horses. And I had this pet chicken one time back in the 50s that I saved from the slaughter .... but, other than that, nah, my heart doesn't bleed.

My heart "broke" (didn't bleed) one time, just graduated from college and was about to take my commission and my girlfriend, greatest T&A in history, green eyes, dirty blonde hair, big luscious lips ... could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch ... she broke up with me four days before I shipped out to my first duty station at Bragg ... the bitch. I almost fapped myself to death for the next two weeks ... then I met my first wife at Bragg. She broke my bank account, made my bank account bleed twenty years later ... but not my heart.

I don't like it when whales or elephants are killed .... I see no purpose in it whatsoever. But I have no problems with killing, no qualms with it whatsoever. I've done it most of my life.

I've not lived in a big city in my entire life. The two largest were probably in the military, Fayetteville, NC and Vicenza, Italy. I mean the wife and I had condos in Honolulu and Naples when she was still working for a big multinational ... but I never considered those places as "living there." We were back and forth so much I just looked at them as three and four and five month vacations when we bounced back and forth between the two.

So strike two on your bullshit perception skills ... Kreskin or Uri Gellar, or whomever it is that you are claiming to be that affords you these extra sensory perception skills of yours.

What I do, where I live, is on my 600+ acre chicken farm with 16 chicken houses that currently have about half a million chickens in them, some of which may eventually end-up in your fat ass no doubt.

In the lower pasture I have, right now, 71 head of grass fed red Angus grazing. We'll be moving them up to the upper pasture this week ... where the big pond is, where the breeding pair of eagles have nested ... we need them up there before the heat sets in for the summer and before we head to our place on Devil's Lake in Michigan later this month through mid July.

So .... again, you're full of bravo sierra.

Next comes the bit about the NWTF guys being bleeding hearts. There couldn't be a more false accusation. They're all good guys. Hell, even the chubby blonde event planning lady is as staunchly Conservative as the rest of us. Hardcore conservatives, hunters, fishermen. Being a conservationist does not make one a libtard. Plenty of us are into game management ... numbnuts. So careful who you call a bleeding heart liberal ... you never know when you'll do it to the wrong man irl and he'll make you pay for flapping those gums of yours.

So I dunno ... am I telling the truth? Or were you?

I'm calling you a liar.

In the meantime I've got a call-in to **** ********, a very well respected turkey biologist who specializes in their north American existence and habitat and has written a number of papers on every aspect of the north american wild turkey ... I met him at a fundraiser ... and we'll see who is full of [bleep].

**** is very familiar with the bald eagle population in this state as well, along with the other dozen predatory birds we have here.

Lol ... I wanna hear all about these birds plucking innocent babies from their mother's arms and murdering turkeys just for the sake of killing.

I've been all over the world. Fought in places that had every kind of dangerous critter known to man and one thing I learned ... no wild single species kills randomly or for sport on this planet except for one ... man. Humans. Are there occasionally rogues in various species that get pissed-off and exact revenge for something or other? Absolutely, I've seen it from both a big cat in South America and a big brownie in Alaska. But it is humans that do what some of you are claiming ... not birds.

:::::::: long pause :::::::

So my call was returned. We spoke a long time. Really fun conversation. Great guy. I blanked out his name because he just doesn't have the time to field a bunch of calls from the Internet.

What he told me was, and he used a lot of big words that I'll never be able to spell much less remember or pronounce but ... I'll do my best to keep it short and sweet and in layman's terms.

So the Golden eagles have been known to hit a turkey or two but the north American turkey population is in no way in danger .... not even close. It is thriving and thriving everywhere.

I was wrong in a previous post about yotes and pigs and fireants killing more turkeys than anything .... the actual answer is raccoons and it's not even close. They are the number one turkey predator on this continent.

We both laughed at the claims of eagles killing infant children .... it's all BS. He said there was a 3D fake video made some years ago that was bogus that is apparently what everyone is referencing. And that maybe an Osprey attacked someone on a beach some years ago and scratched that person ... but all the rest of the stories are legend and myth.

He had a long scientific name for what the eagles are doing to the sheep ... he said turkeys do the same thing when teaching their young to look for food, etc., except it's bugs instead of sheep.
.

I mean the conversation went on and on ... great guy.

I am absolutely lulzing at every idiot who claims these eagles are vicious murdering child killing for sport predators.

We even talked about what a huge mistake it is going to be if Idaho allows 90% of the wolves up there to be slaughtered. And we talked about the wild horse slaughter.

I've always been fairly convinced that humans, as a whole, are idiots. Some in this thread, and a couple of you PMing me claiming I have no compassion for the innocent children being slaughtered by eagles .... ho li [bleep] have you reinforced my belief that a great many humans are walking talking embicles. I'm tempted to publish your names and PMs to this thread just to illustrate to the other sane ones out here what fricking fruitcakes you are. Lol

AND, just to add to the excitement this AM. The Marine Mammals Act has done 100 times the damage to salmon populations as the Columbia and Snake River dams have.

SHOOT A SEA LION, SAVE 1000 SALMON, and a greenest of green energy hydroelectric dam!

Something else killing allot of game and birds is cats. It pays to shoot every one of them you see prowling the woods.

AND, just to add to the excitement this AM. The Marine Mammals Act has done 100 times the damage to salmon populations as the Columbia and Snake River dams have.

SHOOT A SEA LION, SAVE 1000 SALMON, and a greenest of green energy hydroelectric dam!

To think Stone Age native tribes had anything in mind other than survival is ridiculous. Any symbiosis was a happy accident.

To think Stone Age native tribes had anything in mind other than survival is ridiculous. Any symbiosis was a happy accident AND SHORT LIVED

Buffalo jumps were anything but symbiotic.

Anything a tribe couldn't carry away was left for the buzzards, wolves, coyotes, eagles, bears etc.

Look up some charts of salmon harvest and spawning return through the fities and sixties. The dams had little impact on salmon runs before the passage of the Marine Mammals Act.

Do you not imagine that coastal indigenous peoples killed a lot of seals before Columbus ever laid eyes on America? Seals and sea lions are made of meat and high caloric fat. Their fur makes for warm winter wear or blankets. And they are not that hard to kill when they congregate on rock piles or shore. I doubt there were any activists trying to shut down the clubbing of baby seals before those of European descent started the trend.

I compare it to the American bison. Archeologists have determined the ancient American Tribes lived in equilibrium with the bison. The bison did not multiply out of control into the herds of millions or tens of millions of animals until the populations of tribal peoples were decimated by European diseases.

While we have no data to confirm my belief, I am sure that in the 13'th, 14'th, and 15'th centuries those tribes living west of the Rockies also lived in equilibrium with the sea lions and salmon.

1. Semi-truth. There is no data to confirm your belief.

2. Truth. There is no data to confirm your beliefs accurate.

3. Truth. My 3rd grade teacher told me the same BS.

Fact. As today, equilibriums dont and never did exist in nature, primarily due to nature.

Populations of people and wildlife fluctuated between times of plenty and starvation due to the nature of the environment being effected by fluctions of climate change, overpopulation of prey and preys food, temperature, rainfall, disease, droughts, floods, fires, storms, .....

I fear these truths defy you.

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patooty in Fayetteville ... there must be 75 baldy males along that canal waiting for fishermen to dump fish guts and heads at the marinas.

I've got a breeding pair on my big pond and the turkeys around here laugh at them. But you should see those birds take a catfish or a carp out of that pond ... it is amazing.

claim that a big male comes into their place and takes their roosters at will ....

.

Somehow i dont think IS was referring to that. It seems he was referring to more of a symbiotic relationship with Indians and buffalo existing in a mutually beneficial and stable coexistence.

The idea Indians were better than us crackers is pushed in school and forgiven their hunting and killing was because they held the animals in great esteem and used all the animals parts, unlike tbe wasteful cracker.

They used all the animal they killed because they were often near starving and needed the other parts for tools.

The message is that crackers dont deserve to hunt and fish as they are ungrateful and wasteful and many like IS seem to somewhat ascribe to that bs to me.

Brutal, heartless, cruel birds of prey. Killing little bleating lambs for sport and pleasure.

Sheep farmers on the other hand .... nobody likes stinkin sheep farmers, do they? Except Mary of course.

Same state that recently passed a culling law on gray wolves.

I get so confused when mankind tries to rule over mother nature. And the lefties are ALWAYS trying to do it, every aspect of our lives.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bald-eagles-massacre-sheep

Rabbit booms and busts are an example of 'equilibrium' all right. In 1 year, millions of rabbits will eat everything in sight. Then during the following winter, the population will crash and for 5 years you won't be able to buy a jack rabbit.

Rabbit booms and busts are an example of 'equilibrium' all right. In 1 year, millions of rabbits will eat everything in sight. Then during the following winter, the population will crash and for 5 years you won't be able to buy a jack rabbit.

Jack rabbits are hares, not rabbits.

Jack rabbits are hares, not rabbits.

Jack rabbits are hares, not rabbits.

Follows and goes hand and hand with the predator cycles.
As do outbreaks of Rabies when there are too many predators.

Jack rabbits are hares, not rabbits.

To a scientist maybe. Here, a long eared critter is either a rabbit or a mule.

eagles, should have a bounty on them