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Posted By: Uncle_Alvah Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
So, for whatever reason, this guy and a friend go into the woods behind where they live, which happens to be the Croatan National Forest. They get separated. One guy finds his way out by listening for cars on the road. Other guy spends eight days wandering, no food, gear or anything. Cops search five days without luck then call it quits.
Three days later he stumbles out of the woods.
Safe to say he won't be taking any woods walks for awhile. The Croatan is rough country.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...man-found-alive-after-8-nights-in-forest
Posted By: blindshooter Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
I'll bet the bugs tore his azz up.
Posted By: simonkenton7 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
I have been following this story in the local newspaper, I am 400 miles away but in the same state.
That sounds fishy to me. His buddy walks right out. He is "lost" for 8 days and only manages to get out after the search is called off. Something don't add up.
Posted By: TimZ Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
They needed to check his girlfriends' house.....
Posted By: slumlord Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
His hearing wasn’t as good.

Too much Milli-Vanilli up loud in his youth. . Sucks for him.
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
Originally Posted by slumlord
His hearing wasn’t as good.

Too much Milli-Vanilli up loud in his youth. . Sucks for him.


Dumbass move to split up.

He should have trusted his friend who could hear better.
Posted By: RUM7 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
"Cocaine is a powerful drug"
Posted By: add Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
Originally Posted by RUM7
"Cocaine is a powerful drug"

"Say hello to my little friend, GPS."
Posted By: tikkanut Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21

was they huntin' mushrooms ?

Posted By: dogcatcher223 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
Never met a normal person with the chinstrap beard.
Posted By: Mr_TooDogs Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
Staged "lost in the woods" to get media attention with intent to make a few bucks.
Posted By: wilkeshunter Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
I can’t imagine the misery of being in Croatan for 8 days, especially this time of year.
Posted By: OldHat Re: Lost for eight days - 06/09/21
Some people don't think rationally when disoriented in the woods. Croatan is small enough that just stopping and trying to think rationally would get you out within 8 hours or so.
Posted By: las Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Right! Don't Panic.

Easier said than done when that knot in your gut starts moving up....

After a few repetitions of the event, it gets easier to not panic.

Don't ask...... smile
Posted By: Birdwatcher Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
One of the saddest things I’ve come across lately is where a 19 year old Marine died in the Mohave Desert back in 1988 after being forgotten during a training exercise. His absence wasn’t noted for 40 hours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Rother_incident

Little water, no compass. He made it at least seventeen miles, died just two miles from the base.

Makes me wonder how well I could judge direction with no compass if I had to, I know a couple of times in the woods WITH a compass I coulda sworn the compass was lying.

Posted By: 6mm250 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
I live in the community of Croatan , surrounded by the Croatan National Forest , it's my playground.

I cannot fathom going for "a walk in the woods" around here right now , much less being out in it for 8 days.

It's a wonder the poor guy has a drop of blood left.

We have about 3 different flavors of nasty ass biting flies that are cranking right now , they will swarm your vehicle if you drive along slow on the backroads. Keep your windows up , don't stop & get out.

Mike
Posted By: OldHat Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by 6mm250
I live in the community of Croatan , surrounded by the Croatan National Forest , it's my playground.

I cannot fathom going for "a walk in the woods" around here right now , much less being out in it for 8 days.

It's a wonder the poor guy has a drop of blood left.

We have about 3 different flavors of nasty ass biting flies that are cranking right now , they will swarm your vehicle if you drive along slow on the backroads. Keep your windows up , don't stop & get out.

Mike

Insects will drive a person crazy.

Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Posted By: Hastings Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.
Posted By: 6mm250 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
These nasty ass biting flies around here are attracted to movement , mud , smoke & deet mean absolutely nothing to them.

Mike
Posted By: blindshooter Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by 6mm250
I live in the community of Croatan , surrounded by the Croatan National Forest , it's my playground.

I cannot fathom going for "a walk in the woods" around here right now , much less being out in it for 8 days.

It's a wonder the poor guy has a drop of blood left.

We have about 3 different flavors of nasty ass biting flies that are cranking right now , they will swarm your vehicle if you drive along slow on the backroads. Keep your windows up , don't stop & get out.

Mike


That's one reason the story sounds fishy?

It had been a little dry so maybe the mosquitos won't as bad as they could have been but them flies don't care.

I've forgotten the bug juice a couple times working on deer stands and thought they were going to kill me before I could get out. I always thought sweat attracted them?
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Sounds like a fun place to live.

Not.
Posted By: There_Ya_Go Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.


Bear grease as well, if I remember what I've read correctly. The other thing they did was get the heck out of Dodge during the warmer months. It should be remembered as well that back then the woods burned with greater frequency so a lot more air movement could take place at any time of the year. Having said that, there are probably parts of the Croatan that no human being has ever walked through. The density of the undergrowth is so great that it would likely muffle sounds from traffic and travel would be reduced to a crawl (literally; I've had to get on hands and knees for short distances through places near the Croatan).
Posted By: OldHat Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.


Bear grease as well, if I remember what I've read correctly. The other thing they did was get the heck out of Dodge during the warmer months. It should be remembered as well that back then the woods burned with greater frequency so a lot more air movement could take place at any time of the year. Having said that, there are probably parts of the Croatan that no human being has ever walked through. The density of the undergrowth is so great that it would likely muffle sounds from traffic and travel would be reduced to a crawl (literally; I've had to get on hands and knees for short distances through places near the Croatan).

A good rule of thumb when escaping from an enclosed wild area. Don't travel into areas which are extremely difficult to travel in. Odds are traveling in the direction of least resistance will lead one to areas of human activity like trails and roads.

All "wild" areas east of Mississippi can be escaped by simply traveling down flowing water or down logging roads. Eventually these always lead to human activity.

But panic does not let people think rationally.
Posted By: 6mm250 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
IIRC there was an outdoor burning ban at the time the guy first got lost.

A Bic lighter could have saved several days of misery.

Mike
Posted By: Hastings Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by OldHat
But panic does not let people think rationally.
3 Novembers ago I was checking my game cameras on 40 acres I own out in Kisatchie National Forest. Over a mile off the main road on an ATV trail I came across a senior citizen lady weighing maybe 115 dressed in shorts and a sleeveless shirt. She was very disoriented and headed off into the wilderness. She had come to the woods to help her son look for a deer he shot with a bow. She would not be convinced she was going the wrong way. I promised her I knew the way out and got her on my ATV and delivered her back to her son 2 miles away. She argued the whole time I was going the wrong way.
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
But panic does not let people think rationally.
3 Novembers ago I was checking my game cameras on 40 acres I own out in Kisatchie National Forest. Over a mile off the main road on an ATV trail I came across a senior citizen lady weighing maybe 115 dressed in shorts and a sleeveless shirt. She was very disoriented and headed off into the wilderness. She had come to the woods to help her son look for a deer he shot with a bow. She would not be convinced she was going the wrong way. I promised her I knew the way out and got her on my ATV and delivered her back to her son 2 miles away. She argued the whole time I was going the wrong way.


Ass, gas or grass nobody rides for free! LOL
Posted By: There_Ya_Go Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by 6mm250
IIRC there was an outdoor burning ban at the time the guy first got lost.

A Bic lighter could have saved several days of misery.

Mike


Yep. Send up heap big smoke signal!
Posted By: Triggernosis Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by 6mm250
I live in the community of Croatan , surrounded by the Croatan National Forest , it's my playground.

I cannot fathom going for "a walk in the woods" around here right now , much less being out in it for 8 days.

It's a wonder the poor guy has a drop of blood left.

We have about 3 different flavors of nasty ass biting flies that are cranking right now , they will swarm your vehicle if you drive along slow on the backroads. Keep your windows up , don't stop & get out.

Mike

Some people just don't understand how easy it is to get disoriented in the Croatan, do they? You get 100 yards off the roads and it all looks the same.
Posted By: horse1 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
On a grey-overcast day with no sun it's reasonably easy to get disoriented in any thick "woods". It's happened to me a couple of times hunting ruffed grouse. Large several-section parcels of state game management areas that I'm familiar with. Wandering along following the dog and not paying attention, all of the sudden you realize where you are isn't where you thought you oughta be.

It's never cost me anything more than time, but, I has prompted me to attach a small compass as a zipper-pull on my jacket/vest.
Posted By: simonkenton7 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.


Bear grease as well, if I remember what I've read correctly. The other thing they did was get the heck out of Dodge during the warmer months. It should be remembered as well that back then the woods burned with greater frequency so a lot more air movement could take place at any time of the year. Having said that, there are probably parts of the Croatan that no human being has ever walked through. The density of the undergrowth is so great that it would likely muffle sounds from traffic and travel would be reduced to a crawl (literally; I've had to get on hands and knees for short distances through places near the Croatan).

A good rule of thumb when escaping from an enclosed wild area. Don't travel into areas which are extremely difficult to travel in. Odds are traveling in the direction of least resistance will lead one to areas of human activity like trails and roads.

All "wild" areas east of Mississippi can be escaped by simply traveling down flowing water or down logging roads. Eventually these always lead to human activity.

But panic does not let people think rationally.


Bingo. Find a creek. I bet there are lots of them in that area. Follow the creek and you will find civilization.
Posted By: EthanEdwards Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
"The monkey-man took me right into the tree!"
Posted By: slumlord Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Lost in Croatia? Would that be any worse?
Posted By: las Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by Triggernosis
Originally Posted by 6mm250
I live in the community of Croatan , surrounded by the Croatan National Forest , it's my playground.

I cannot fathom going for "a walk in the woods" around here right now , much less being out in it for 8 days.

It's a wonder the poor guy has a drop of blood left.

We have about 3 different flavors of nasty ass biting flies that are cranking right now , they will swarm your vehicle if you drive along slow on the backroads. Keep your windows up , don't stop & get out.

Mike

Some people just don't understand how easy it is to get disoriented in the Croatan, do they? You get 100 yards off the roads and it all looks the same.


Wisconsin jungle, too. Climbed the evergreen (group of 3). BIL's car was 50 yards away. In the wrong direction, where we had left it.

How it got over there I have no idea.....
Posted By: AZmark Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
I wouldn't go into any forest name "Croaton" after seeing Storm Of The Century"
Posted By: Triggernosis Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.


Bear grease as well, if I remember what I've read correctly. The other thing they did was get the heck out of Dodge during the warmer months. It should be remembered as well that back then the woods burned with greater frequency so a lot more air movement could take place at any time of the year. Having said that, there are probably parts of the Croatan that no human being has ever walked through. The density of the undergrowth is so great that it would likely muffle sounds from traffic and travel would be reduced to a crawl (literally; I've had to get on hands and knees for short distances through places near the Croatan).

A good rule of thumb when escaping from an enclosed wild area. Don't travel into areas which are extremely difficult to travel in. Odds are traveling in the direction of least resistance will lead one to areas of human activity like trails and roads.

All "wild" areas east of Mississippi can be escaped by simply traveling down flowing water or down logging roads. Eventually these always lead to human activity.

But panic does not let people think rationally.


Bingo. Find a creek. I bet there are lots of them in that area. Follow the creek and you will find civilization.

Not in the Croatan. One of those creeks may lead to Great Lake, 10 miles from nowhere. Those of you who are unfamiliar with the Croatan just don't understand it. 75% of if is thick swampy "mucky-muck" that you sink up to your knees in. You can travel for 5-10 miles in a straight line and not change elevation more than 1 meter. The remaining 25% is scrub-pine savannah that looks the same in every direction you turn.
Posted By: simonkenton7 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/10/21
I have just one question. "Lost in the woods."
Was the young man paddling a canoe?
After all, this is the Deep South. He might have been making love with a local "mountain man."


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Posted By: 6mm250 Re: Lost for eight days - 06/11/21
You don't have to be very far off into this to get lost.

You can't see over it , you can't see through it , there are no landmarks , there is no horizon. You are up to your knees in mud with vines & bushes wrapping you up.

The guy said that at different times he heard a helicopter right over his head but they never saw him.

So what if you find a creek & follow it downstream ? It might be going AWAY from civilization or it might be the long way out.



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Mike
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: Lost for eight days - 06/11/21
Back when I was a SAR Controller, we had an overdue case. A guy staying in a camp, accessible only by boat, took off in his camo jon boat just before a major thunderstorm, to buy more beer and cigarettes. We conducted an exhaustive multi-agency search for 5 days before calling it off. On the 9th day some people in a small boat piddling around in a wooded bayou, far from the missing man's intended track found him. He looked like something out of a horror movie. His face was swollen from bug bites to the point that his eyes were barely open.

I can't imagine anyone being lost in a coastal forest for 8 days not being completely chewed up.
Posted By: OldHat Re: Lost for eight days - 06/11/21
Originally Posted by Triggernosis
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by OldHat
Insects will drive a person crazy.
Our ancestors lived this stuff day and night with no synthetic netting and no deet.
Used mud, and smoke.


Bear grease as well, if I remember what I've read correctly. The other thing they did was get the heck out of Dodge during the warmer months. It should be remembered as well that back then the woods burned with greater frequency so a lot more air movement could take place at any time of the year. Having said that, there are probably parts of the Croatan that no human being has ever walked through. The density of the undergrowth is so great that it would likely muffle sounds from traffic and travel would be reduced to a crawl (literally; I've had to get on hands and knees for short distances through places near the Croatan).

A good rule of thumb when escaping from an enclosed wild area. Don't travel into areas which are extremely difficult to travel in. Odds are traveling in the direction of least resistance will lead one to areas of human activity like trails and roads.

All "wild" areas east of Mississippi can be escaped by simply traveling down flowing water or down logging roads. Eventually these always lead to human activity.

But panic does not let people think rationally.


Bingo. Find a creek. I bet there are lots of them in that area. Follow the creek and you will find civilization.

Not in the Croatan. One of those creeks may lead to Great Lake, 10 miles from nowhere. Those of you who are unfamiliar with the Croatan just don't understand it. 75% of if is thick swampy "mucky-muck" that you sink up to your knees in. You can travel for 5-10 miles in a straight line and not change elevation more than 1 meter. The remaining 25% is scrub-pine savannah that looks the same in every direction you turn.

Path of least resistance. Not into the thickest and worst. Google satellite imagery shows croatan as a central swamp surrounded by roads. The imagery shows you would cross a road or trail well before 5 miles.

I have not been there true. So i can't say for sure. Worst bug wilderness I was in was fishing Manitoba small rivers. It required head nets, gloves, bug jacket and duct tape on your ankles and wrists. Mix of biting flies, but these guys would crawl in the cracks and find bare skin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_fly
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