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(Natural News) The vast majority of people who are getting injected for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) will die within a few short years from heart failure, warns Dr. Charles Hoffe, M.D., a medical practitioner in British Columbia, Canada.

In one of his latest updates, Dr. Hoffe explains that he is observing in his patients who took an mRNA (messenger RNA) “vaccine” from either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna that their capillaries are now plugging up, which he says will eventually lead to a serious cardiovascular event.

Chinese Virus mRNA shots are programmed to turn a person’s body into a spike protein “factory,” and Dr. Hoffe says that over time these mass-produced spike proteins cause progressive blood clotting.

No fewer than 60 percent of people who take an mRNA injection will suffer from these blood clots – and in the end, an overwhelming majority will end up six feet under due to the damage caused.

“We now know that only 25 percent of the ‘vaccine’ injected into a person’s arm actually stays in your arm,” Dr. Hoffe explains one his blog.

“The other 75 percent is collected by your lymphatic system and literally fed into your circulation so these little packages of messenger RNA, and by the way in a single dose of Moderna ‘vaccine’ there are literally 40 trillion mRNA molecules.”

Dr. Hoffe says that while these packages were designed by Big Pharma to be absorbed directly into people’s cells, the only place they can actually be absorbed is around the blood vessels and into capillary networks, which are the tiniest blood vessels where blood flow is slow and where genes are released.

“Your body then gets to work reading and then manufacturing trillions and trillions of these spike proteins,” he says.

“Each gene can produce many, many spike proteins. The body then recognizes these are foreign bodies so it makes antibodies against it so you are then protected against COVID. That’s the idea.”

mRNA injections insert “spiky bits” into blood vessels, eventually causing heart failure

Though the claim has long been that these spike proteins act as a deterrent to viral infection after being injected into a person’s body, the reality is that they actually become part of the cell wall of a person’s vascular endothelium.

“This means that these cells which line your blood vessels, which are supposed to be smooth so that your blood flows smoothly now have these little spikey bits sticking out,” explains Principia Scientific.

Dr. Hoffe says it is an inevitability that the injected will develop blood clots because as the vaccine-inserted spike proteins embed themselves within blood vessels and capillaries, blood platelets circulate around trying to fix the problem by creating increasingly more clots.

“So, when the platelet comes through the capillary it suddenly hits all these COVID spikes and it becomes absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form to block that vessel,” he writes.

“Therefore, these spike proteins can predictably cause blood clots. They are in your blood vessels (if mRNA ‘vaccinated’) so it is guaranteed.”

It turns out that these blood clots are different than the “rare” ones spoken about on the media that show up on CT scans and MRIs. These are microscopic and do not show up on tests, as they can only be detected using a blood test known as D-dimer.

Dr. Hoffe has been performing D-dimer tests on his mRNA “vaccinated” patients, which led him to discover that at least 62 percent of them have these microscopic blood clots.

“The most alarming part of this is that there are some parts of the body like the brain, spinal cord, heart and lungs which cannot [regenerate],” he says. “When those tissues are damaged by blood clots, they are permanently damaged.”
Isn’t that the website started by the chem trail guy?
Gopher Gunner is double-fûkked
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More quackery..
Originally Posted by GeoW
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According to the SPLC
ID10T
Originally Posted by GeoW
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I’m not necessarily disagreeing but not sure that the way to ascertain the validity of information on the net is by doing a search of the net.

We’re all in an epistemological pickle. I wouldn’t be any more surprised to find this to be true than to find it’s quackery.
Ohhh noo.
Or is it, Oh, know?
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Ohhh noo.



Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Or is it, Oh, know?


Well played
Originally Posted by GeoW
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No question. Fauxcheese yo hero.

Lol.
We're from the government and we're here to help.
So there's a serious theory that these globalists and climate cultists have always wanted a massive drop in the population. I can easily see a scenario where the virus was created to cut the population and if that wasn't enough, the "cure" did the rest.
Quite honestly with the internet today being what it is and all the BS no one really knows what to believe.
It could be completely true. It could be exaggerated but still true. The fact is that even the pro vax people are saying that blood clotting and those type issues are possible side effects of the mRNA vaccines now. If you wanted to control an entire population and I mean really control them, give them a condition that required a regular booster to keep them alive. Cut them off from the booster, and they die.

I mean there is some reason, some reason why they are pushing these damned vaccines so hard. Maybe they just want everyone to take it so that if there are side effects, there isn’t a control group there of non vaxxed people to show how bad they fricked up. But maybe it’s more nefarious than that. They could “discover” some serious side effects but engineer a “cure” in the form of regularly reoccurring booster shots. As long you toe the line, you get the shot. Step out of line and you die. Take the shot and you partake of all the Beast system has to offer. Refuse it and die.
60%? I'm calling bullshit on that number. I have it from an excellent source that 100% of the people that got the Vax will indeed die at some point.
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Isn’t that the website started by the chem trail guy?


Natural News did not "write" this article. It originally was published at Principia Scientific International:

https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/

PSI: https://principia-scientific.com/articles-of-association/

https://principia-scientific.com/psi-mission-statement/

Good thing I got the J&J, it only gives quick blood clots to women of a certain age.
The guy is either seeing 60% of his patients who got the Pfizer or Moderna with elevated d-dimer results, or he is lying.

I am more inclined to believe he honestly believes he is seeing something dangerous and is trying to alert people.

Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Isn’t that the website started by the chem trail guy?


They're not "chem trails." They're clouds of geo-engineering. Don't worry about them. Whatever they are, they're for your own good. Just like vaccines.

Besides, taking the jab for the Wuhan Wobblies, what's wrong with a little population control? Didn't that Great Hero of Green Environmentalism, Al Gore, state that the world was over-populated, especially with "useless eaters," aka people over the age of 60?

Who would deign to question any of Mr. Gore's sage pronouncements?? Afterall, he invented the Internet. That is why coders and software creators use the term "Al Gor-ythms." That is to honor in perpetuity the inventor of the Internet, the one and only Al Gore.

grin

L.W.



I can easily see this happening with no nefarious intentions. They just rushed a fricking untried and very experimental type of vaccine. Watch TV at night. Odds are you’ll see a commercial or two about a drug that went through the full FDA process and yet was pulled from the market after four or five years because it was causing bad problems. It happens all the time. No reason to think that it couldn’t happen here.

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.
Retards can't stop being retarded, 99.9% will still be retards in 3 years
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.



Sure they have.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Quite honestly with the internet today being what it is and all the BS no one really knows what to believe.





I honestly believe this post.

Have repeatedly stated that the biggest shame of the whole covid thing
is the lack of knowledge gained.
We began this thing working off knowledge gained 100 years ago during
the Spanish Flu epidemic.

At a time of basic telegraph and newspapers, there was a lot of data and
knowledge gained. Often too slow to be useful then, it was available for the ages.

Today, with the internet and tv, something learned in LA is real time in NY.
And by the next morning worldwide.

But, we have one side shading everything to promote this virus.
And one denying it.
And together they are covering up, diluting, and destroying the truth.
While promoting their side.

So that, after millions have died prematurely, and trillions of dollars have
been lost/spent. We haven't even gained clear knowledge of how this thing
works.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
I can easily see this happening with no nefarious intentions. They just rushed a fricking untried and very experimental type of vaccine. Watch TV at night. Odds are you’ll see a commercial or two about a drug that went through the full FDA process and yet was pulled from the market after four or five years because it was causing bad problems. It happens all the time. No reason to think that it couldn’t happen here.



And do you think we will see these shots fail to be approved?
Or that five years from now they will be declared unsafe?
Hell no!

There is wayyy to much money flying around, way too much political
capital to ever be able to fail.
Originally Posted by Springcove
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.



Sure they have.


Not sure how accurate this is, but the AMA survey as of June 11 says that 96% are fully vaccinated.



https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...octors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
Y'all gotta come up with better sources, if ya wanna be taken serious!
Look at the content and authors on Natural News (NN) before applying what Dr Hoffe says in your decision making process. One of the prolific authers on NN is a gentleman by the name of Mike Adams whose books are advertised prominently on the NN's site one of the books is titled The Contagious Mind
the ad for which claims:

In this audio book from the Health Ranger you'll discover how to use morphic resonance to bypass censorship, share critical knowledge and spread freedom across the universe.

The thought of being able to share critical knowledge and spread freedom across the universe by applying "Morphic Resonance" brings a warm fuzzy feeling to my stomach that one gets just prior to a round of convulsive projectile vomiting. Relying on a rag for medical information that promotes an author making claims like Morphic Resonance is a bridge too far for me.

Dr. Hoffe originally published his scholarly work sharing the CV-19 claims was Principia Scientific International, which is not a journal known for publishing works on medicine.

Go ahead and utilize any information you want when making decisions but you might want to do a little research on the source of the information, and then apply some logic.

Recall the the high priestess Dr Stella Immanuel who gave a press conference on the steps of the Supreme Court making claims of curing more than 350 patients of CV-19 with Hydroxy... What immediately came to mind is she has to have a huge practice to just see enough patients to have 350 of them come up CV-19 positive, much less have the time to manage their care, it seemed a little far fetched at best. Then I dug a little into the high priestess and found out she believed women were being impregnated with demon sperm during erotic dreams. Imagine the incredulous response you would have if while gazing at the ultrasound of the fetus your wife was carrying if the doctor said this is a demon child the father of which is a demon.

Just because a site is not a member of the maligned MSM class does not immediately validate its information, luckily with the internet you can quickly do some additional research that may help you evaluate the quality of the original information.
Since most people in America die of cardiac disease anyway, this isn't a big stretch.
More vaccine info: https://www.openvaers.com/index.php
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by GeoW
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I’m not necessarily disagreeing but not sure that the way to ascertain the validity of information on the net is by doing a search of the net.

We’re all in an epistemological pickle. I wouldn’t be any more surprised to find this to be true than to find it’s quackery.



Spot on.
Yet we know that HCQ really does work.

Originally Posted by wade brown
Look at the content and authors on Natural News (NN) before applying what Dr Hoffe says in your decision making process. One of the prolific authers on NN is a gentleman by the name of Mike Adams whose books are advertised prominently on the NN's site one of the books is titled The Contagious Mind
the ad for which claims:

In this audio book from the Health Ranger you'll discover how to use morphic resonance to bypass censorship, share critical knowledge and spread freedom across the universe.

The thought of being able to share critical knowledge and spread freedom across the universe by applying "Morphic Resonance" brings a warm fuzzy feeling to my stomach that one gets just prior to a round of convulsive projectile vomiting. Relying on a rag for medical information that promotes an author making claims like Morphic Resonance is a bridge too far for me.

Dr. Hoffe originally published his scholarly work sharing the CV-19 claims was Principia Scientific International, which is not a journal known for publishing works on medicine.

Go ahead and utilize any information you want when making decisions but you might want to do a little research on the source of the information, and then apply some logic.

Recall the the high priestess Dr Stella Immanuel who gave a press conference on the steps of the Supreme Court making claims of curing more than 350 patients of CV-19 with Hydroxy... What immediately came to mind is she has to have a huge practice to just see enough patients to have 350 of them come up CV-19 positive, much less have the time to manage their care, it seemed a little far fetched at best. Then I dug a little into the high priestess and found out she believed women were being impregnated with demon sperm during erotic dreams. Imagine the incredulous response you would have if while gazing at the ultrasound of the fetus your wife was carrying if the doctor said this is a demon child the father of which is a demon.

Just because a site is not a member of the maligned MSM class does not immediately validate its information, luckily with the internet you can quickly do some additional research that may help you evaluate the quality of the original information.
Originally Posted by Longbob
Originally Posted by Springcove
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.



Sure they have.


Not sure how accurate this is, but the AMA survey as of June 11 says that 96% are fully vaccinated.



https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...octors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

No, it doesn't. If you go to the actual "SURVEY" (not a report) it says that of the 301 doctors that responded to the survey, 96% were fully vaccinated. That's not 96% of the almost 1 million doctors that we have in this country.

There is no real data that reveals how many doctors have been vaccinated but there is at least one story that says that only about half of all frontline medical personnel have been vaccinated, that includes doctors, nurses, technicians, etc.

So the truth is that most of the propaganda rags try to convince you that almost every "expert" has been fully vaccinated when the fact is that it's more likely that only about half of the medical profession has been fully vaccinated.
Originally Posted by montram
Originally Posted by Longbob
Originally Posted by Springcove
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.



Sure they have.


Not sure how accurate this is, but the AMA survey as of June 11 says that 96% are fully vaccinated.



https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...octors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

No, it doesn't. If you go to the actual "SURVEY" (not a report) it says that of the 301 doctors that responded to the survey, 96% were fully vaccinated. That's not 96% of the almost 1 million doctors that we have in this country.

There is no real data that reveals how many doctors have been vaccinated but there is at least one story that says that only about half of all frontline medical personnel have been vaccinated, that includes doctors, nurses, technicians, etc.

So the truth is that most of the propaganda rags try to convince you that almost every "expert" has been fully vaccinated when the fact is that it's more likely that only about half of the medical profession has been fully vaccinated.


That would make sense that only half would be vaccinated at that point of the article that you posted because it was dated March 20th.
For the morons that keep saying 96% of DR's have been vaccinated, that's complete BS. This last week alone, two separate friends of the family that are in their 70's had routine check-ups. Two separate Doc's told them they would get them a " vaccine " if they wanted it, but they WOULD NOT recommend they take the shot.

Lot's of MD's are telling people NOT to take the gene therapy vaccine.

Fact, Corona is a non-issue at this point by every metric measurable.

Makes you wonder why the left is pushing so hard for the majority of folks to take the new experimental shot. I don't have the answer but I fear JoeBob is on the right track.
I would have guessed that the excess protein thing might be the first thing to cause problems...
Originally Posted by bowfisher
For the morons that keep saying 96% of DR's have been vaccinated, that's complete BS. This last week alone, two separate friends of the family that are in their 70's had routine check-ups. Two separate Doc's told them they would get them a " vaccine " if they wanted it, but they WOULD NOT recommend they take the shot.

Lot's of MD's are telling people NOT to take the gene therapy vaccine.

Fact, Corona is a non-issue at this point by every metric measurable.

Makes you wonder why the left is pushing so hard for the majority of folks to take the new experimental shot. I don't have the answer but I fear JoeBob is on the right track.

The left is being pushed by big Pharma to pimp off their product. Follow the money. Same as most things. Doesn't mean covid isn't real! Means they are utilizing and maximizing, for profit! Fear is one of the easiest, methods of reaching large groups!
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.


Thats bullshit and many of them have pinched up skin and shot it out the other side

Its going to be great, no lines in the stores, more public hunting, less traffic.

Winning !
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.

You're wrong again, dumbfuck dumptruck.
Don’t forget this is Trump’s jab program, there are no good guys !
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.


Thats bullshit and many of them have pinched up skin and shot it out the other side

Its going to be great, no lines in the stores, more public hunting, less traffic.

Winning !


Rong. Its gonna be great cause all the dumbfughjs like dumptruck took it.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Don’t forget this is Trump’s jab program, there are no good guys !

Oh, i think there are.

The deep state had us dead with the 16 year plan of Zero/Hillbiotch.

Trump didnt need to step in for our denise to be sowed up.
Trump.showed up to fughk them up.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Quite honestly with the internet today being what it is and all the BS no one really knows what to believe.


I know who not to believe.

I dont believe the ones being pushed by the MSM, DNC, and SMedia.

I.dont believe Faukki whose emails proved he knew face masks are useless and had a multimillion book deal in thr works and now wants 3 year olds wearing them.
Believe those who arent making squat trying to fight the vipers jab.
Its easy to know who is right.
All it takes is a little discernment.
Freaking Faukki even looks like a snake in half his pics.

Heres a clue, Biteme and Piglosi and CNN want you to.take the shot.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.


Can you prove your numbers?
Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Isn’t that the website started by the chem trail guy?


They're not "chem trails." They're clouds of geo-engineering. Don't worry about them. Whatever they are, they're for your own good. Just like vaccines.

Besides, taking the jab for the Wuhan Wobblies, what's wrong with a little population control? Didn't that Great Hero of Green Environmentalism, Al Gore, state that the world was over-populated, especially with "useless eaters," aka people over the age of 60?

Who would deign to question any of Mr. Gore's sage pronouncements?? Afterall, he invented the Internet. That is why coders and software creators use the term "Al Gor-ythms." That is to honor in perpetuity the inventor of the Internet, the one and only Al Gore.

grin

L.W.





😄
Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Funny 98% of the Doctors in USA have taken one of the Vaccines. I guess they all have a death wish.


Can you prove your numbers?

About as much as he can prove that the injections are proven safe and effective from the lab ferrets that died from them.

Medical doctors don't even inject their own children with the childhood cocktails at that high compliance.
Just like a compass points to magnetic north, Christians are being pulled in the right direction.

Many are given over to delusion and their father satan.
He could be right. Nobody has a crystal ball. At this point, none of the vaccines are even FDA approved. There is not enough history to know if they're safe or not...
Here is a question. If he was right would you expect anyone to tell you? Or would you expect them to hide it, ban people who tried to post on social media, and generally marginalize anyone who tried to warn us while at the same time pushing people to get it?
I like Mike Adams and appreciate his research.
We don't always agree on his analysis of the day, but his articles are usually worthy reading.

His theories on this issue are definitely worthy of more consideration than Falsi, the United Nations WHO, Wuhan lab director...what was the name again?

I respect all the good professionals who are using their knowledge to protect the world the best they can by offering true information.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Quite honestly with the internet today being what it is and all the BS no one really knows what to believe.


Actually the internet today being what it is gives anyone with a smartphone instant access to the collective knowlege of mankind. Unfortunately, 99.99% of them are too stupid to care.
I would guess that 98 percent of all doctors being vaccinated was calculated the same way that 97 percent of all scientists agree that global warming is human-caused.

An old friend, wise in the ways of the world, once told me, "Figures lie, and liars figure".

The BS that the major media flings around reminds me of monkeys flinging their own crap.
Originally Posted by KEVIN_JAY
60%? I'm calling bullshit on that number. I have it from an excellent source that 100% of the people that got the Vax will indeed die at some point.


And guaranteed that 100% of the people that didn't get the shot will die.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Isn’t that the website started by the chem trail guy?


Natural News did not "write" this article. It originally was published at Principia Scientific International:

https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/

PSI: https://principia-scientific.com/articles-of-association/

https://principia-scientific.com/psi-mission-statement/


No better at all, perhaps worse - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

I have a dream where people on the campfire actually do some fact checking before they deploy keyboard. Of course, that would cut down on posts in the CF section by 50% but it would also make the Kook Of the Year award easier to select. Right now the field for KOTY is wide open with that complete nutter steve4102 leading now that TRH has been given the KOTY lifetime achievement award and is no longer eligible for the annual award.
Originally Posted by Pugs

I have a dream where people on the campfire actually do some fact checking before they deploy keyboard.


LOL, good luck with that.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Quite honestly with the internet today being what it is and all the BS no one really knows what to believe.


No kidding.

I thought eating red meat did the same thing.
Should help real estate prices.
What, the vaccine, or eating red meat???
The thing that gets me in the OP is the assertion that our cells keep making the spike protein over time.

mRNA is destroyed during transcription ie in the process of coding for the spike protein. I’m pretty sure the half life of the vaccine in the bloodstream is likewise brief.

So, enough spike proteins produced at the outset to cause the clotting problem sounds reasonable, continuing to crank out spike proteins not so much.
Originally Posted by mtnsnake

When 50 people died from the Swine Flu vaccine, it was pulled off the market.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake

When 50 people died from the Swine Flu vaccine, it was pulled off the market.


Do you have a cite for that or is it more stuff you heard someplace from someone who heard it from their cousin who heard it at their weekly tin foil hat book club meeting?

In both the swine flue breakout of 76 and 09 I see only two case of a vaccine being recalled one (Vaccine recalled) and that was for adverse reaction (no deaths) from 36 people and one For lack of being fully effective. .

Seems to me that 50 people dead would be bigger news so I'm sure you have some sort of cite don't you. You've been a teacher so "show your work" shouldn't be an alien concept. crazy


Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake

When 50 people died from the Swine Flu vaccine, it was pulled off the market.


Do you have a cite for that or is it more stuff you heard someplace from someone who heard it from their cousin who heard it at their weekly tin foil hat book club meeting?

In both the swine flue breakout of 76 and 09 I see only two case of a vaccine being recalled one (Vaccine recalled) and that was for adverse reaction (no deaths) from 36 people and one For lack of being fully effective. .

Seems to me that 50 people dead would be bigger news so I'm sure you have some sort of cite don't you. You've been a teacher so "show your work" shouldn't be an alien concept. crazy



This information has entered the realm of common knowledge. Look it up yourself.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake

When 50 people died from the Swine Flu vaccine, it was pulled off the market.


Do you have a cite for that or is it more stuff you heard someplace from someone who heard it from their cousin who heard it at their weekly tin foil hat book club meeting?

In both the swine flue breakout of 76 and 09 I see only two case of a vaccine being recalled one (Vaccine recalled) and that was for adverse reaction (no deaths) from 36 people and one For lack of being fully effective. .

Seems to me that 50 people dead would be bigger news so I'm sure you have some sort of cite don't you. You've been a teacher so "show your work" shouldn't be an alien concept. crazy



This information has entered the realm of common knowledge. Look it up yourself.


grin You don't disappoint. Your crown as Kook Of The Year emeritus is safe.
Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mtnsnake

When 50 people died from the Swine Flu vaccine, it was pulled off the market.


Do you have a cite for that or is it more stuff you heard someplace from someone who heard it from their cousin who heard it at their weekly tin foil hat book club meeting?

In both the swine flue breakout of 76 and 09 I see only two case of a vaccine being recalled one (Vaccine recalled) and that was for adverse reaction (no deaths) from 36 people and one For lack of being fully effective. .

Seems to me that 50 people dead would be bigger news so I'm sure you have some sort of cite don't you. You've been a teacher so "show your work" shouldn't be an alien concept. crazy




Literally this fricking easy, smartass. First page results. This says it was pulled after only 25 deaths.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-27-sci-swine-history27-story.html

Called it the swine flu debacle.

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What did materialize were cases of a rare side effect thought to be linked to the shot. The unexpected development cut short the vaccination effort -- an unprecedented national campaign -- after 10 weeks.


They cut the whole thing short, an unprecedented push to get every American vaccinated, short after a mere ten weeks after as few as possibly 25 deaths and 500 cases of Guillan-Bare disease.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Literally this fricking easy, smartass. First page results. This says it was pulled after only 25 deaths.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-27-sci-swine-history27-story.html

Called it the swine flu debacle.

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What did materialize were cases of a rare side effect thought to be linked to the shot. The unexpected development cut short the vaccination effort -- an unprecedented national campaign -- after 10 weeks.


They cut the whole thing short, an unprecedented push to get every American vaccinated, short after a mere ten weeks after as few as possibly 25 deaths and 500 cases of Guillan-Bare disease.


Perhaps you need to retake the section on reading comprehension on those SRA reading labs we all did as kids.

(1) "More than 40 million Americans -- almost 25% of the population -- received the swine flu vaccine before the program was halted in December after 10 weeks". So in fact, TRH was completely wrong in his assertion that a vaccine was recalled.

(1) No evidence it was linked to the shot (45 years ago) -

(2) 25 people not 50 but that's just a 100% error.

(3) "No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination." Yep, one of our own CF members had it and this was several years ago. A viral infection and exhaustion is what his Dr's thought triggered but if a vaccine is convenient then I'm sure that's the cause.

I'll stop peeking at folks on ignore now and remind myself they are there for a reason.
Appropriate kookery...



Yes, Please read beyond the headlines.

Take this one back in 1976 from the NYT

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16249616/2

SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS

But wait! Read the freaking article:

"All three patients are known to have had heart disease, health officials said. and autopsies showed that two died of heart attacks. The family of ‘ the third patient did not permit an autopsy.

After the deaths, swine flu immuni,alions were halted throughout Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh, and the Federal Center for Disease Control sent doctors to investigate. No Evidence Shots Caused Them"


Let's now go to a CDC retrospective report:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article

Read this part:

"Shortly after the national campaign began, 3 elderly persons died after receiving the vaccine in the same clinic. Although investigations found no evidence that the vaccine and deaths were causally related, press frenzy was so intense it drew a televised rebuke from Walter Cronkite for sensationalizing coincidental happenings."

I'm seeing the same sort of BS posted today about how the vaccines are killing people like Mustard Gas on Flanders Fields.

1.) No vaccine is without risks. Period.

2.) You decide if you want it or not. It is your decision.

For you argumentative types, Read #1 and #2 again.
Now you’re just being stupid.

1). Hey, I’m just an old dummy but for my purposes I would consider stopping a vaccine program after ten weeks, and never using the vaccine again the same thing as “recalled”. If you want to be pedantic, maybe they told doctors to throw away their unused doses instead of returning them to the manufacturers.

2). No evidence? Well, they stopped giving the shot because they thought there was a link.

3). I’ve seen and heard the 50 people in other places as well. That said, for the purposes of his point 25 deaths works even better. They pulled the vaccine after a mere 25 deaths in 1976.

4). Well, why are you hating on science? In 1976 they thought 450 reported cases of Guillan-Barre and the deaths were quite possibly link to the vaccine and pulled it from the market.
Originally Posted by Pugs

grin You don't disappoint. Your crown as Kook Of The Year emeritus is safe.

I take into account the quality of the two or three members here who assigned that title.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I take into account the quality of the two or three members here who assigned that title.


At least you know it when you see it...
Originally Posted by 700LH
Retards can't stop being retarded, 99.9% will still be retards in 3 years

True that!
I’m amazed that after everything that has happened since Obama was elected that there people stupid enough to call conspiracy theorists “kooks”. The last thirteen years have seen practically every conspiracy theory of the last fifty years be proven true. How fricking stupid or asleep do you have to be to automatically discount even the most outlandish assertions these days?
Originally Posted by slumlord
Gopher Gunner is double-fûkked

Yeah buddy, along with a lot more, who thought they needed it.
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emergency threshold, it is often largely ignored. To sustain the
funding base beyond the crisis, we need to increase public
understanding of the need for MCMs such as a pan-influenza or
pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media, and the economics
follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage to get to
the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end
of process,

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Originally Posted by KEVIN_JAY
60%? I'm calling bullshit on that number. I have it from an excellent source that 100% of the people that got the Vax will indeed die at some point.


Would you believe that 100% of the people that didn't will die too?

I have it from an excellent source that whether one dies or not doesn't have anything to do with vaccines or Covid.
I find it strange that we haven't seen a huge increase in heart attacks given this gloomy prognostication by the prolific Dr. Hoffe. He lives near here and has a reputation in some circles for making some pretty wild predictions that never seem to come true.
"Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website promoting anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change."
Originally Posted by MikeReilly
I find it strange that we haven't seen a huge increase in heart attacks given this gloomy prognostication by the prolific Dr. Hoffe. He lives near here and has a reputation in some circles for making some pretty wild predictions that never seem to come true.

Interesting. I was wondering about his reputation
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