Sen. Ron Johnson: Data from Israel Shows 84% of New COVID Cases are with Vaccinated Individuals
Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) joined Maria Bartiromo on Mornings with Maria on Wednesday morning.
Senator Ron Johnson: The American people deserve the truth. Really, the people of the world deserve the truth on this and unfortunately because of the cabal between social media, mainstream media, and our federal health agencies and big government, we’re not getting the truth. The truth has been covered up for months whether we’re talking about gain-of-function research, whether we’re talking about the effectiveness of early treatment. I can’t explain all of this Maria, all I know is something has gone off the rails here. I’m trying to look for answers. It just doesn’t make sense to me… I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
How would you know? A lot of positive people, are asymptomatic.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
How would you know? A lot of positive people, are asymptomatic.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
How would you know? A lot of positive people, are asymptomatic.
Oh that doesn’t matter remember?
You’re still a spreader. Even if you have the vaccine.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Tamiflu has been available to lessen the severity of flu symptoms.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
I guess you know more about this than the director of the cdc:
If you want to watch her deflect and avoid answering questions, you can watch the whole thing, but the meat is at 1:30.
According to the Brits, if you have the vaccine, and get the China flu, you have a higher chance of dying.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
While vaccinated people are testing positive and being hospitalized in Israel’s delta outbreak, the current post-vaccination outbreak is only a fraction of the country’s worst pre-vaccination outbreak in January, reported The Washington Post.
* Currently, cases are less than one-tenth as many as during January’s peak.
* Hospitalizations during the current outbreaks are less than one-sixteenth of January’s peak, per The Washington Post. Put differently, Israel is currently averaging 120 weekly hospital admissions. In January, the country averaged 2,000 weekly hospital admissions.
* Most importantly, admission to intensive care units for severe COVID-19 cases is less than one-twentieth the number of admissions in January.
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The people who are not testing positive in the current outbreak are those who have had COVID-19 previously and recovered. These people account for 9% of Israel’s population but less than 1% of recent infections, according to Kovler’s analysis. This has brought new questions about whether natural infections are more protective against the delta variant than vaccinations — but the answer is not yet certain.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic. People will get ill. It will affect families, lives and certainly the economy until this varient burns out, which historically takes 18± months. What if the Lambda varient takes hold, and current immunity -be it natural or vax is ineffective? You have another 18± months of pandemic on top of the past year and half. Progressive governemnts all over the world will lock things down again. 4 or 5 years of this will throw the world into another Great Depression. Economiew will not be saved by more "stimulus" money is they close again.
The Chinese obviously never watched any of those 1960s-70s SciFi movies like The Omega Man or The Andromeda Strain, or they would have never crewed around with bio agents.
So accordinging to this, there will be another [bleep] of people getting sick. Some seriously. Not good.
So accordinging to this, there will be another sh itload of people getting sick. Some seriously. Not good.
In short, same as any given year.
Sure, but who wants another bug out there floating around? Add to that the world is now in full hysteria and anything Covid related is internationally politicized. More travel restrictions and more masks and more of the Democrats continuing to scare the masses into acquiescing to Big Brother.
So accordinging to this, there will be another sh itload of people getting sick. Some seriously. Not good.
In short, same as any given year.
Sure, but who wants another bug out there floating around? Add to that the world is now in full hysteria and anything Covid related is internationally politicized. More travel restrictions and more masks and more of the Democrats continuing to scare the masses into acquiescing to Big Brother.
Again, same as any given year. It's up to the people if they want to be locked away and economy destroyed. I'm certain the teachers will be happy.
Your full post was already an example of the hysteria.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
Around here.we have the lowest number of non vaccinated in the state in this county.The predominately new cases are 20-35 years olds that never got the vaccination and refused to follow any protocol. Kind'a like some on here
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything?
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything?
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
Cattle are stupid herd animals raised to milk and eat and killed at the whim of their owners. If an owner of a bovine wants to jab it with something, they do so. Cattle are killed by the thousands each day. How much like a cow are you?
21 CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, the current influenza vaccine has been 45% effective overall against 2019-2020 seasonal influenza A and B viruses. Specifically, the flu vaccine has been 50% effective against influenza B/Victoria viruses and 37% effective against influenza A(H1N1)pdm09.Feb 26, 2020
Length of Protection Smallpox vaccination provides full immunity for 3 to 5 years and decreasing immunity thereafter. If a person is vaccinated again later, immunity lasts even longer. Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. Type of infectious agent: Virus
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything?
How do you know it isn't?
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
when's the last time someone was told they couldn't go somewhere or utilize a specific service if they opted out of chemo?
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
My guess is that the guy you're talking to has enough intelligence to spell "herd" correctly and doesn't suck dick. Thus, two things better than you. FO.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
How would you know? A lot of positive people, are asymptomatic.
Oh that doesn’t matter remember?
You’re still a spreader. Even if you have the vaccine.
LOL
You're automatically a spreader if you don't wear a MASK.
We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard?
And how do you know the vaccine is accomplishing anything?
How do you know it isn't?
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
“Here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season.”
[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
“Here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season.”
[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
Just fwiw.
That is in states with the lowest vaccination rates, ie red states. Also, what isn't mentioned in the original post about Israel is that in January 2021, 10,000 people were being diagnosed with covid a day and right now it is around 800 which is 1/12 the number it was back in January. Also, hospitalizations were 2000 a day in January and they are 120 a day now. It also does not mention that Israel reported a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness.
[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
Just fwiw.
That is in states with the lowest vaccination rates, ie red states. Also, what isn't mentioned in the original post about Israel is that in January 2021, 10,000 people were being diagnosed with covid a day and right now it is around 800 which is 1/12 the number it was back in January. Also, hospitalizations were 2000 a day in January and they are 120 a day now. It also does not mention that Israel reported a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness.
Jim, the several articles on this in today’s newspaper made no mention of Red States only. They referred to nationwide and abroad. Again, only fwiw.
The actual truths and meaningful data are just a bit hard to come by and has been so since the onset. But that’s just stating the obvious.
When are some of you going to realize Senator Johnson is lying to you. He totally change the actually report from Israel. It actually said 84% of the COVID-19
deaths were from unvaccinated or from those with only one vaccination. Not that 84% of deaths had been from those who had been vaccinated. In the rest of the story the Phizer vaccine prevented
vaccine prevented 94% of the Symptoms of COVID-19 and 92% of the serious illnesses. The Pfizer Vaccine in Israel has prevented 96% of the COVID-19 deaths in that country. Big difference from what Senator Johnson was trying to tell you.
No, I think you are an idiot. Its pretty obvious at this point,.
Then I guess we should expect a viral disease to burn through on it's own? Kill the weakest at first? It's almost as if it's following the same Mother Nature playbook as it did during the Spanish flu et al breakouts.
Luckily we destroyed a nation and an economy for the same end result as if we hadn't done a thing. There might well be a lesson in there.
Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
Just fwiw.
Worldwide, there's a direct positive relationship between the rate of vaccinations and the rate of deaths (purportedly) from COVID19, i.e., those nations with the highest rates of full vaccination (while vigorously discouraging Ivermectin availability) are experiencing the highest rates of deaths from COVID19, and conversely, those nations with the lowest rates of full vaccination (particularly those nations that are making Ivermectin widely available) are experiencing the lowest rates of COVID19 deaths. The difference is dramatic.
No, I think you are an idiot. Its pretty obvious at this point,.
Then I guess we should expect a viral disease to burn through on it's own? Kill the weakest at first? It's almost as if it's following the same Mother Nature playbook as it did during the Spanish flu et al breakouts.
Luckily we destroyed a nation and an economy for the same end result as if we hadn't done a thing. There might well be a lesson in there.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
I know more people, in my circle, that were hospitalized from the vaccine than Covid.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Good info, and thanks for sharing. It's a fairly polarizing issue, but like many such issues, there are sensible people caught in the middle. There are those that think the shot does offer some obvious benifits regarding probablity of hospitalization with Covid, but is it worth it if you aren't in a higher-risk bracket? What levels of hospitalizations does a person have to see among their contemporaries to justify injecting an experimental RNA drug they don't yet trust? It's a valid question for anybody and everybody. There's an actual threshold somewhere, as with any other risk vs. reward scenario.
Any accurate data on hospitalization regarding those who previously contracted covid? Is anyone collecting that data because hit would seem, based on science, to be extremely important.
You're aware of the Cleveland Clinic study I presume.
Obviously not anti vax as Ive had all my childhood vaxes which wiped out deadly diseases plus dozens of vaccines in the military and when I worked abroad.
Most have issues that this vax was pushed so quickly with little oversight or long term research or data
Thanks
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by steve4102
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
I know more people, in my circle, that were hospitalized from the vaccine than Covid.
My circle is pretty big (not to be taken as mine is bigger than yours) due to my work and I know that by a long shot most have been vaccinated. Very few have not, but not a single vaccinated person that I know of in my circle has been hospitalized, paralyzed, or even traumatized. Some have had sore arms and even fewer had flu-like symptoms for a day or so.
I would take my non medical analysis and DocRocket's analysis as the more likely scenario of what is transpiring across the country. It is my opinion, but my BS meter goes off when I see posts that say all these vaccinated people are dying or being hospitalized. There is no way for you to know how many people I talk to daily and how far it ranges, but there has not been a single instance that confirms what you are saying. I am not saying you are lying, but I would have an easier time believing that there may be multiples in your circle that have had that reaction if I could confirm it with even a single instance in my experience.
I am also being specific to your post. I do not know of a single person that has been hospitalized due to taking any of the 3 vaccines. I do believe that there have been people hospitalized that have been vaccinated, but for other ailments. Not simply due to the fact they were vaccinated and had such a horrible reaction that required hospitalization. That is the law of numbers. I also believe that there have been people that have died of Covid that are vaccinated. Another law of numbers.
Don't forget that there were also a few severe adverse reactions, death being one, from the Smallpox vaccine. There were also other severe adverse reactions from that vaccine which was somewhere in the 90s for efficacy. Which means it wasn't 100% effective, but it was eventually successful amongst other reasons for eradicating if from a natural occurrence. Took a long damn time, but we finally got there.
I know over 30 people now, some front line medical workers, who chose not to get vaccinated and contracted covid. Everyone advised that it was no worse than a brief cold. Almost half experienced no symptoms but still tested positive. Ages 2 to 87. All were active and led healthy lifestyles
Should they still be vaccinated?
Originally Posted by Longbob
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by steve4102
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
I know more people, in my circle, that were hospitalized from the vaccine than Covid.
My circle is pretty big (not to be taken as mine is bigger than yours) due to my work and I know that by a long shot most have been vaccinated. Very few have not, but not a single vaccinated person that I know of in my circle has been hospitalized, paralyzed, or even traumatized. Some have had sore arms and even fewer had flu-like symptoms for a day or so.
I would take my non medical analysis and DocRocket's analysis as the more likely scenario of what is transpiring across the country. It is my opinion, but my BS meter goes off when I see posts that say all these vaccinated people are dying or being hospitalized. There is no way for you to know how many people I talk to daily and how far it ranges, but there has not been a single instance that confirms what you are saying. I am not saying you are lying, but I would have an easier time believing that there may be multiples in your circle that have had that reaction if I could confirm it with even a single instance in my experience.
I am also being specific to your post. I do not know of a single person that has been hospitalized due to taking any of the 3 vaccines. I do believe that there have been people hospitalized that have been vaccinated, but for other ailments. Not simply due to the fact they were vaccinated and had such a horrible reaction that required hospitalization. That is the law of numbers. I also believe that there have been people that have died of Covid that are vaccinated. Another law of numbers.
Don't forget that there were also a few severe adverse reactions, death being one, from the Smallpox vaccine. There were also other severe adverse reactions from that vaccine which was somewhere in the 90s for efficacy. Which means it wasn't 100% effective, but it was eventually successful amongst other reasons for eradicating if from a natural occurrence. Took a long damn time, but we finally got there.
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic. People will get ill. It will affect families, lives and certainly the economy until this varient burns out, which historically takes 18± months. What if the Lambda varient takes hold, and current immunity -be it natural or vax is ineffective? You have another 18± months of pandemic on top of the past year and half. Progressive governemnts all over the world will lock things down again. 4 or 5 years of this will throw the world into another Great Depression. Economiew will not be saved by more "stimulus" money is they close again.
The Chinese obviously never watched any of those 1960s-70s SciFi movies like The Omega Man or The Andromeda Strain, or they would have never crewed around with bio agents.
So accordinging to this, there will be another [bleep] of people getting sick. Some seriously. Not good.
Lock down will coincide with the 2022 elections. And, we all know what the means.
So, may need to treat with Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
DF
Edited to add, we'll treat the conservatives, lock down the libtards....
What part of my post said that anyone should get vaccinated? Get it if you want and own the consequences if any. Don't get it if you don't want to and own those consequences if any. I know of many that have tested positive, but sailed right through it just fine that were not vaccinated. I can't say that I had any 2 year olds share their Covid experience with me, but maybe you have. I also have two family members that died of it prior to vaccinations being available.
My post was pretty clear in what I was addressing. It had nothing to do with promoting that people get vaccinated. It was only to question based off my similar experience to erikj that pointed the opposite direction.
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic. People will get ill.
Yessss .. sort of. If it is effective in reducing serious sicknesses and deaths among people who do get sick, though, and if those who have been sick and survived develop immunity that actually prevents sickness as well, it could be step 1 of a 2-step process. On the other hand, do those who get jabbed and then get COVID develop the natural antibodies or not? Hmmm.
Senator Ron Johnson: I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.
Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.
In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.
These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.
Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".
Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.
I know more people, in my circle, that were hospitalized from the vaccine than Covid.
My circle is pretty big (not to be taken as mine is bigger than yours) due to my work and I know that by a long shot most have been vaccinated. Very few have not, but not a single vaccinated person that I know of in my circle has been hospitalized, paralyzed, or even traumatized. Some have had sore arms and even fewer had flu-like symptoms for a day or so.
I would take my non medical analysis and DocRocket's analysis as the more likely scenario of what is transpiring across the country. It is my opinion, but my BS meter goes off when I see posts that say all these vaccinated people are dying or being hospitalized. There is no way for you to know how many people I talk to daily and how far it ranges, but there has not been a single instance that confirms what you are saying. I am not saying you are lying, but I would have an easier time believing that there may be multiples in your circle that have had that reaction if I could confirm it with even a single instance in my experience.
I am also being specific to your post. I do not know of a single person that has been hospitalized due to taking any of the 3 vaccines. I do believe that there have been people hospitalized that have been vaccinated, but for other ailments. Not simply due to the fact they were vaccinated and had such a horrible reaction that required hospitalization. That is the law of numbers. I also believe that there have been people that have died of Covid that are vaccinated. Another law of numbers.
Don't forget that there were also a few severe adverse reactions, death being one, from the Smallpox vaccine. There were also other severe adverse reactions from that vaccine which was somewhere in the 90s for efficacy. Which means it wasn't 100% effective, but it was eventually successful amongst other reasons for eradicating if from a natural occurrence. Took a long damn time, but we finally got there.
I only piped up when I read DocRocket's personal observations. Two employees I worked with, were both sent to the ER within hours of getting Moderna shot. Our neighbor had it so rough, she's selling her place to live closer to a health care facility. I know others that gutted it out. Most of the people I've talked to didn't have any issues getting vaccinated. Personally, I'm waiting on the longer term data. Messing with DNA could be more problematic than Covid.
Try a little research on your own. It’s not hard. The two shot jabs are not vaccines, it’s an immunization boost. Nothing more.
So are you the one that can prove it lessens the severity of the symptoms?
And YOU can prove it's NOT??? Show me..
I never said I can, but I am not claiming anything. Is it wrong to ask for claims to be substantiated? Apparently you believe things would be different today if it wasn't for the vaccine, I'm asking for proof.
Try a little research on your own. It’s not hard. The two shot jabs are not vaccines, it’s an immunization boost. Nothing more.
So are you the one that can prove it lessens the severity of the symptoms?
And YOU can prove it's NOT??? Show me..
I never said I can, but I am not claiming anything. Is it wrong to ask for claims to be substantiated? Apparently you believe things would be different today if it wasn't for the vaccine, I'm asking for proof.
The genius of this scam on full display.
It is exactly like global warming. There is no baseline of real numbers or strains, therefore the BS can always remain BS. It is fear based, not fact based.
[quote=JimFromTN][quote=Ray_Herbert][quote=wabigoon]We vaccinate cattle, yes some still get sick, some die, many less than if we did not do it.
You don't see a difference, do you?
How about this one. Some people get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. Is that better?
How about this one. Some cattle get vaccinated against brucellosis and still get it (along with a host of other diseses) and are culled. Is that better?
If you use cattle as our guide, we should cull (that's kill, but we use cull to not upset you feminine types) all AIDS patients? All positive COVID? After all, if it works with cattle, why wouldn't it work for people.
No, actually thats moronic. The point being that no vaccine or medical treatment for that matter is 100% guaranteed. If you get cancer, are you going to refuse treatment because it may not cure your cancer or perhaps we should treat you like cattle and cull you from the heard
I'm not the one beating the drum for the vaccine and telling everyone how wonderful it is. I ask, is it working? How do they know?
On first blush it would seem nothing has changed. People still testing positive, some getting sick, some not, same as ever. Nothing has changed.
Seriously? The number of cases have dropped as well as the number of deaths. Its why everything is opening up and going back to normal. You do realize that just because some people got the vaccine that covid isn't just going to disappear, right?
Jim you might want to rethink what you just posted.
Whether it’s true or not, most all of the media is reporting large upticks in cases both here in the USA and abroad.
Just fwiw.
That is in states with the lowest vaccination rates, ie red states.
So you are saying that it is Republicans that are refusing to take the Jab.
Again you are wrong, totally wrong. You are accepting the Media and Democrat narrative that Republican are the spreaders, nothing could be further from the truth.
"The percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (48%) was roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for Black people (36%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (41%) as of July 19, 2021."
KFF noted that younger adults, those age 18-29, were among the least vaccinated subgroups with just 55% reportedly receiving at least one dose.
Who Are The Real COVID Vaccine Refuseniks? Hint: It’s Not What You’ve Been Told
The Biden administration, stung by missing its vaccine targets and the rising COVID-19 cases, has decided to blame Republicans. That’s not surprising. But it’s traditionally Democratic groups – minorities and the young – who aren’t getting vaccinated, and it’s leftists who are the most influential anti-vaxxers on the planet.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on.
These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not
Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on.
These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not
Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
Hey DickTuck50,
Why don’t you and all the other retards just stay at home and shop on Amazon.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Calm down, Rainbow Sherbert.
We knew you were a f a g from the get go.
LOL
Why should that bother Travis Frost?
Because your mom takes it in the ass?
Only by black cock, ni gga
No shame in that.
You’ve made a living off it.
LOL
If you say so. Does it trump your ex blowing Mexicans in Brownsville?
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on.
These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not
Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
At least 45,000 deaths in the US, just so far, from the "vaccine." The Swine Flu vaccine program was shut down after only about 30 US deaths.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on.
These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not
Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
At least 45,000 deaths in the US, just so far, from the "vaccine." The Swine Flu vaccine program was shut down after only about 30 US deaths.
Folks need to wake up to the facts, the vaccine was never intended to prevent a person from getting COVID. It just lessens the severity of the symptoms !
I guess you know more about this than the director of the cdc:
If you want to watch her deflect and avoid answering questions, you can watch the whole thing, but the meat is at 1:30.
According to the Brits, if you have the vaccine, and get the China flu, you have a higher chance of dying.
And the 45,000 figure only counts those who died within three days of getting the injection. Those who died on the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc., day, are not even counted among those 45,000 US dead from the COVID19 "vaccine," and there have been many more who died more than three days after getting it.
And the 45,000 figure only counts those who died within three days of getting the injection. Those who died on the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc., day, are not even counted among those 45,000 US dead from the COVID19 "vaccine," and there have been many more who died more than three days after getting it.
All one needs to know about COVID figures is that, there are no COVID figures.
Boomers demanding the lockdowns and asinine protocols don't give a chit about future generations or the damage that'll remain. They got theirs so fuq all of us trying to keep the ship upright and moving forward.
To be fair, I couldn't care any less about future generations and your kids if I tried. I do care about what is the now and present, and shutting things down helps no one.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Golfer John Rahm just tested positive the second time for Covid. You may remember he was the guy disqualified from the tournament a couple months ago for testing positive on Sunday with a six shot lead. He has had the vaccine by the way.
Golfer John Rahm just tested positive the second time for Covid. You may remember he was the guy disqualified from the tournament a couple months ago for testing positive on Sunday with a six shot lead. He has had the vaccine by the way.
Fugking criminal what happened to him in that tournament.
Golfer John Rahm just tested positive the second time for Covid. You may remember he was the guy disqualified from the tournament a couple months ago for testing positive on Sunday with a six shot lead. He has had the vaccine by the way.
Fugking criminal what happened to him in that tournament.
He took it well IMO.
It probably worked out best for him. If he had won that, he probably wouldn’t have won the open. Instead he came back hungry and pissed. But yeah, it was one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in a year and a half of incredible stupidity.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Hey, wait a minute.... isn't that the same hospital Toot's daughter works at? hmmmmmmm
that every citizen on the planet should be concerned about ....... but.... they got their stimulus $$$$ (hush money)
... Americans .... in general... not just libtards .... are a f'd up stupid bunch of cattle
.....
Well fool look at it this way, if you were going to release a bioweapon would you vaccinate your people before you did? At least the ones you care about?
that every citizen on the planet should be concerned about ....... but.... they got their stimulus $$$$ (hush money)
... Americans .... in general... not just libtards .... are a f'd up stupid bunch of cattle
.....
Well fool look at it this way, if you were going to release a bioweapon would you vaccinate your people before you did? At least the ones you care about?
Out all the so called Millions that have died from the Kung-Flu, how cum NO politicians have died, no Fake News Employees, no Hollywood leftists, what makes them immune, Hmmm
Where were these states obtained? How many of those people are fully vaccinated? How serious is the COVID caught by the fully vaccinated? Without knowing these facts we can’t know what is the import of you info.
This number goes up by the week. It is a federal law that all deaths caused by the vaccination be reported to a government outfit named VAERS. What I quoted before
was from a couple weeks ago. This week the number has gone up to 6,207 deaths still that is only .0018 . But remember that some of those deaths were from other causes, like a 90
year old grand mother took the shot and die several days later , did the shot kill her or did she die of old age? It still gets reported as a COVID-19 death. the CDC reported 5,186 deaths
from the vaccine several weeks go. Those 2 are the best numbers we have, all the rest are guess with no documentation. Are the number perfect no, but they are very close. Example the total
number of deaths keeps going up because they are getting more accurate death numbers from Nursing homes especially in New York. Plus I here Texas refused to report Nursing Home deaths
until April of 2020. AARP check and said the number of deaths in that 4 Month period was 4500. So for the most part total deaths in USA has been under reported, but they are trying to fix it.
This number goes up by the week. It is a federal law that all deaths caused by the vaccination be reported to a government outfit named VAERS. What I quoted before
was from a couple weeks ago. This week the number has gone up to 6,207 deaths still that is only .0018 . But remember that some of those deaths were from other causes, like a 90
year old grand mother took the shot and die several days later , did the shot kill her or did she die of old age? It still gets reported as a COVID-19 death. the CDC reported 5,186 deaths
from the vaccine several weeks go. Those 2 are the best numbers we have, all the rest are guess with no documentation. Are the number perfect no, but they are very close. Example the total
number of deaths keeps going up because they are getting more accurate death numbers from Nursing homes especially in New York. Plus I here Texas refused to report Nursing Home deaths
until April of 2020. AARP check and said the number of deaths in that 4 Month period was 4500. So for the most part total deaths in USA has been under reported, but they are trying to fix it.
Only a fool would believe anything, especially COVID stats , coming from our Government.
Dr. Anthony Fauci says the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are weighing revising their COVID-19 guidelines to recommend that even fully vaccinated individuals wear masks in public.
Anyone who takes the shot is a special kind of stupid.IMHO.
Yea,that is why the majority of new cases being seen now are 20-35 years old that won't get vaccinated and people with the attitude as your post. Now that is a special kind of stupid.
Anyone who takes the shot is a special kind of stupid.IMHO.
Yea,that is why the majority of new cases being seen now are 20-35 years old that won't get vaccinated and people with the attitude as your post. Now that is a special kind of stupid.
JFC boomer... just stay in your fuqing house and lock the doors already.
It is time we all band together and demand vaccines for any and all “bugs” that could possibly give us a runny nose or scratchy throat etc . This is America after all and we could save everyone. Biden should mandate vaccines and gave shields for everyone
Steve, we call our rouge WI. Senator “Wrong Johnson” in these parts. He is the biggest attention whore in the US Senate. Alternative facts is how Kellyanne Conway described a lot of what Johnson spews. I called on him prior to his political grand standing career in DC. when he managed his wife’s plastic company in Oshkosh and my opinion hasn’t changed. He was the biggest narcissistic [bleep] in our entire industry.
Anyone who takes the shot is a special kind of stupid.IMHO.
Yea,that is why the majority of new cases being seen now are 20-35 years old that won't get vaccinated and people with the attitude as your post. Now that is a special kind of stupid.
And guess what the young ones will get it, recover incredibly easily and then be immune. That’s awesome. So what’s the issue you have? Do you think it’s going to kill them? Do you think those with out the jab are more likely to spread it?
But the vaccinated folks still get it as well, so I’m perplexed as to what your beef is. Please elaborate.
that every citizen on the planet should be concerned about ....... but.... they got their stimulus $$$$ (hush money)
... Americans .... in general... not just libtards .... are a f'd up stupid bunch of cattle
.....
Well fool look at it this way, if you were going to release a bioweapon would you vaccinate your people before you did? At least the ones you care about?
the "Vaccine" IS the bioweapon you blithering idiot
Anyone who takes the shot is a special kind of stupid.IMHO.
Yea,that is why the majority of new cases being seen now are 20-35 years old that won't get vaccinated and people with the attitude as your post. Now that is a special kind of stupid.
Here’s a newsflash, dip schit:
They will all be perfectly fine and have a stronger immunity than you and your vagina.
I,m just pointing out the evidence I have. I think you should talk with your Doctor and make your own decision.
I have plenty of family member who won,t take the shot. All are less than 42 and tell me they never been sick in there life.
Well i,m 74 and weight more than I should. Plus I look at all the scientific evidence and it tells me I,m better off taking the shot.
Plus I had 70 or 80 shots in my life plus experimental Anthrax series of shot before deploying to Iraq in 2003-2004. I also served in Vietnam
in 1966-1967. Sometimes I got 9 shots at once, I have never had a problem with any of them. So to me shots are small potatoes. not worth a second thought
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
I,m just pointing out the evidence I have. I think you should talk with your Doctor and make your own decision.
I have plenty of family member who won,t take the shot. All are less than 42 and tell me they never been sick in there life.
Well i,m 74 and weight more than I should. Plus I look at all the scientific evidence and it tells me I,m better off taking the shot.
Plus I had 70 or 80 shots in my life plus experimental Anthrax series of shot before deploying to Iraq in 2003-2004. I also served in Vietnam
in 1966-1967. Sometimes I got 9 shots at once, I have never had a problem with any of them. So to me shots are small potatoes. not worth a second thought
No thanks. I'm going ahead with my life, but without the shot of whatever it is. But I don't do flu, shingles, pneumonia vaccines either. Doctors do a lot of good but they also kill lots of people.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
All you do is throw out bullshit liberal talking points.
If 600,000 people died, who otherwise wouldn't have died, there would be a statistical record.
But the statistical record shows that less people died in 2020 than would be expected, based upon the trend of earlier years.
But less people died.
So it's obvious that bolo-19 wasn't killing anyone, statistically speaking.
You will run into morons like idaho_poofter, who'll claim that if somebody died 15 minutes earlier than they would have due to bolo, it's a tragedy.
But only another moron would accept that kind of stupidity.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
Until long term data becomes available for my personal scrutiny my family will not be taking a shot of anything. Not gonna call names or try to berate anyone’s choice. So far my immune system that was give to me at birth is batting 1000%. On top of that little fact with a 99+% survival rate, those odds are way better than they give in vegas. Pro tip: calm your tits. Either way its gonna be ok. The only unaccounted variable is side effects from that crap in that shot.
6,207 have died after being vaccinated, but may have been to other causes. They did not check. That is the latest number, which is very low. .0018%
VAERS reports over 12K as of this week. .. and the deaths must be reported by a dr. not your cousin Lester. and a side not...They pulled Viox off the shelves before this many deaths.. get a clue.
No thanks. I'm going ahead with my life, but without the shot of whatever it is. But I don't do flu, shingles, pneumonia vaccines either. Doctors do a lot of good but they also kill lots of people.
The average MD is just like the average (substitute any occupation you wish here) How many different mechanics have you tried til you found a good one? Banker? Attorney? CPA? Painter? Plumber?
A lot more than in education though. After 14 years of my children going through public schools, and two more til my son graduates, we’ve had two good teachers and zero administrators that actually gave a [bleep], maybe a third if I stretch it. The US education system is an absolute joke.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on.
These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not
Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
In all truthfulness...how can you demonstrate that?
With the polio...there was a marked drop in incidence, infection, and prevention of the spread of the disease, from the very first doses given.
Small pox was eradicated; mumps became rare.
The same thing cannot be said for the Covid "vaccine". There is no case study I have found where the Covid "vaxx" has lowered incidence across the board. The catch phrases now are that one still catches it, and spreads it, and still must obey a dictated lifestyle to contain incidence. What is more, more people have died from the mRNA treatments (whether from effects of the treatments, or by increased susceptibility to Covid) than from the original Covid "pandemic" itself.
How can this be said to "saving tens of thousands of lives"? The treatments themselves have cost us more lives than the disease itself.
First, the Covid shot is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA genetic treatment - and it is an experimental technology, not recombinant, inactivation, or live attenuation technologies. While the idea behind mRNA technology is fascinating, research of this on coronaviruses has been fraught with failure. In animal and people tests, catastrophic conclusions have been seen over and over again. Test subjects get the treatment, but when exposed to the wild virus, they are MORE susceptible, not less, and suffer far more severe cases of the disease, than the untreated. What is worse, no lab - public or private - has been able to resolve the pesky cytokine storm cascade (an allergic reaction which attacks the whole body) which has been seen in a significant number of test subjects (including those of the public now receiving the injections).
Second, there is no honest science associated with this round. Propagandized fear, hidden data, and reported number cooking have been demonstrably shown with the Covid mRNA treatment. There is a huge lack of transparency with the research. Want to see the data and the statistics they used for this 95% figure they keep rattling off? You can't - it's not available to the public. Every vaccine available today has data the average Joe can readily access. This one doesn't. What are they hiding?
Third, Every vaccine comes with long-term studies, and the side effects are known up front (even if they don't publicize the downsides widely - they are still published). People know the risks going in. Not so with the mRNA treatment. The data just isn't there. People have to take it on...faith...that there are no major deleterious effects associated with this technology, but it is coming out that there are HUGE consequences that are COMMONLY seen with this treatment.
I talked this over with my doctor - he's always a huge advocate of Big Pharma. He listed to me the reasons why I should; I in turn rattled off about a dozen reason why I shouldn't. He could not refute a single reason. He said I was very well-researched, and had very valid reasons for rejecting the treatment.
Save lives? I'll wait and see. I'd love to see the uncooked and un-cherry-picked data, citing evidence over several years. That said, though - it's just not there.
When it has to be trumpeted by the media 24/7 to remind us there is a "pandemic" in progress (because an associated rise in the death rate, the stacks of bodies, and several other anecdotal observances do NOT support it), and the treatment is being forced by threats ("Get it or face lockdowns!" "Get it or not able to resume normal life!") or enticed by freebies (Free beer! Free fast food! Lottery prizes!)...that tells the critical thinker something ELSE is really going on, and the disease is just the carrier issue..
Beside, they promote the treatment by giving away...items to consume that promote the very co-morbidities that make the Covid disease worse. Hmmmm.....
Finally - if the powers that be were REALLY that concerned with the "pandemic" and successful treatment rates...they wouldn't be importing tens of thousands of Covid-infected illegals into our country (Mexico reportedly has a large current infection among its population at this time).
That's the point of the mRNA treatment for Covid: it is an issue of public control, not an issue of public health.
If you or anyone else wants to "Believe the Science!" (when there is little supporting science behind it...aside from people saying, "I have a PhD - you must believe me!") - then by all means, go ahead and believe. If you say the treatment is saving lives, though, that premise will get challenged.
6,207 have died after being vaccinated, but may have been to other causes. They did not check. That is the latest number, which is very low. .0018%
337 million people vaccinated in the USA. VAERS lists 6207 deaths in persons vaccinated within the the past 2 months. This is an association only, it does not mean CDC says the vaccine killed them. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of proven deaths due to any of the CoV2 vaccines.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
In all truthfulness...how can you demonstrate that? With the polio...there was a marked drop in incidence, infection, and prevention of the spread of the disease, from the very first doses given. Small pox was eradicated; mumps became rare. The same thing cannot be said for the Covid "vaccine". There is no case study I have found where the Covid "vaxx" has lowered incidence across the board. The catch phrases now are that one still catches it, and spreads it, and still must obey a dictated lifestyle to contain incidence. What is more, more people have died from the mRNA treatments (whether from effects of the treatments, or by increased susceptibility to Covid) than from the original Covid "pandemic" itself.
How can this be said to "saving tens of thousands of lives"? The treatments themselves have cost us more lives than the disease itself.
First, the Covid shot is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA genetic treatment - and it is an experimental technology, not recombinant, inactivation, or live attenuation technologies. While the idea behind mRNA technology is fascinating, research of this on coronaviruses has been fraught with failure. In animal and people tests, catastrophic conclusions have been seen over and over again. Test subjects get the treatment, but when exposed to the wild virus, they are MORE susceptible, not less, and suffer far more severe cases of the disease, than the untreated. What is worse, no lab - public or private - has been able to resolve the pesky cytokine storm cascade (an allergic reaction which attacks the whole body) which has been seen in a significant number of test subjects (including those of the public now receiving the injections).
Second, there is no honest science associated with this round. Propagandized fear, hidden data, and reported number cooking have been demonstrably shown with the Covid mRNA treatment. There is a huge lack of transparency with the research. Want to see the data and the statistics they used for this 95% figure they keep rattling off? You can't - it's not available to the public. Every vaccine available today has data the average Joe can readily access. This one doesn't. What are they hiding?
Third, Every vaccine comes with long-term studies, and the side effects are known up front (even if they don't publicize the downsides widely - they are still published). People know the risks going in. Not so with the mRNA treatment. The data just isn't there. People have to take it on...faith...that there are no major deleterious effects associated with this technology, but it is coming out that there are HUGE consequences that are COMMONLY seen with this treatment.
I talked this over with my doctor - he's always a huge advocate of Big Pharma. He listed to me the reasons why I should; I in turn rattled off about a dozen reason why I shouldn't. He could not refute a single reason. He said I was very well-researched, and had very valid reasons for rejecting the treatment.
Save lives? I'll wait and see. I'd love to see the uncooked and un-cherry-picked data, citing evidence over several years. That said, though - it's just not there.
When it has to be trumpeted by the media 24/7 to remind us there is a "pandemic" in progress (because an associated rise in the death rate, the stacks of bodies, and several other anecdotal observances do NOT support it), and the treatment is being forced by threats ("Get it or face lockdowns!" "Get it or not able to resume normal life!") or enticed by freebies (Free beer! Free fast food! Lottery prizes!)...that tells the critical thinker something ELSE is really going on, and the disease is just the carrier issue.. Beside, they promote the treatment by giving away...items to consume that promote the very co-morbidities that make the Covid disease worse. Hmmmm..... Finally - if the powers that be were REALLY that concerned with the "pandemic" and successful treatment rates...they wouldn't be importing tens of thousands of Covid-infected illegals into our country (Mexico reportedly has a large current infection among its population at this time). That's the point of the mRNA treatment for Covid: it is an issue of public control, not an issue of public health. If you or anyone else wants to "Believe the Science!" (when there is little supporting science behind it...aside from people saying, "I have a PhD - you must believe me!") - then by all means, go ahead and believe. If you say the treatment is saving lives, though, that premise will get challenged.
So apparently a politician, who most of y'all say is a class that can't be trusted under any circumstances, misquoted from a suspect report/paper from a country a long way from here, says that most of the people getting COVID are vaccinated folks. And you trust him to be telling the truth.
It is to laugh.
Hmm. Funny how none of the numbers on this side of the pond line up with that. Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, as many as 43 were fully vaccinated, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services in a recent article. Gee, that means that 99.995% of the Covid deaths in Texas have been in non-vaccinated people.
Yep, that sure lines up with that lying politician's report, all right.
I think a bunch of y'alls are getting yourselves bamboozled because you want to be bamboozled.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
All you do is throw out bullshit liberal talking points.
If 600,000 people died, who otherwise wouldn't have died, there would be a statistical record.
But the statistical record shows that less people died in 2020 than would be expected, based upon the trend of earlier years.
But less people died.
So it's obvious that bolo-19 wasn't killing anyone, statistically speaking.
You will run into morons like idaho_poofter, who'll claim that if somebody died 15 minutes earlier than they would have due to bolo, it's a tragedy.
But only another moron would accept that kind of stupidity.
If term of life has no meaning to you, why have you not put a 125 gr JHP through your temple?
Apparently, you would like to live a while longer.
thanks Doc. Though I was the only one here who believed in the COVID-19 Vaccination. There is a town in Brazil where they gave the vaccine
to 75% of the population. Couple months later no more deaths and no one in the hospital except a few who did not take the shots or only took one shot.
All the other towns around it people are still dropping dead like flies, and the hospitals are full. Actual that was from the Chinese Vaccine.
Guntruck, despite the shrill protests of the troglodytes and Luddites among us, the data from every state I have looked at (more than 15, less than 50... can't tell you exactly how many) mirror the Texas numbers. So folks can't really say it's the CDC lying to us, I'm afraid. I haven't even started to look at the numbers from other countries. I'll get to some of that this week.
The effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated population is irrefutable.
I disagree over 600,000 died from COVID-19. A second go round is starting now, with unvaccinated people. COVID-19 killed whole families of people
more older than younger last time. This time it is going after under 50 years old and unvaccinated. Why do you think hospitals are filling up all over the country.
those 40 years olds are not dying from Cancer. The virus is killing them. Yes however it would have been 600,000 lower if the virus had not killed them.
All you do is throw out bullshit liberal talking points.
If 600,000 people died, who otherwise wouldn't have died, there would be a statistical record.
But the statistical record shows that less people died in 2020 than would be expected, based upon the trend of earlier years.
But less people died.
So it's obvious that bolo-19 wasn't killing anyone, statistically speaking.
You will run into morons like idaho_poofter, who'll claim that if somebody died 15 minutes earlier than they would have due to bolo, it's a tragedy.
But only another moron would accept that kind of stupidity.
If term of life has no meaning to you, why have you not put a 125 gr JHP through your temple?
Apparently, you would like to live a while longer.
thanks Doc. Though I was the only one here who believed in the COVID-19 Vaccination. There is a town in Brazil where they gave the vaccine
to 75% of the population. Couple months later no more deaths and no one in the hospital except a few who did not take the shots or only took one shot.
All the other towns around it people are still dropping dead like flies, and the hospitals are full. Actual that was from the Chinese Vaccine.
Oh well fugk me.
Meanwhile everybody I know including myself has had it and none of us died and none of us went to the hospital.
What a fugking miracle.
I personally know17 people, including myself that have had it. Only two reported major discomfort and severe flu-like symptoms. the rest just treated it like a common cold.
Nobody died and nobody was hospitalized.
In every case the "Doctor" treating did nothing, "Go Home. rest, Relax and drink plenty of fluids" funny, never heard of that before.
thanks Doc. Though I was the only one here who believed in the COVID-19 Vaccination. There is a town in Brazil where they gave the vaccine
to 75% of the population. Couple months later no more deaths and no one in the hospital except a few who did not take the shots or only took one shot.
All the other towns around it people are still dropping dead like flies, and the hospitals are full. Actual that was from the Chinese Vaccine.
....The effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated population is irrefutable.
Its too early to tell whether your statement is true, Doc, especially with the number of people contracting covid weeks/months after being fully vaccinated. We're talking about vaccines that skipped the standard vetting process and rushed through based on an "emergency".
The PCR testing has come into question, even the inventor of the test was critical of the test for certain accuracy. And considering the inaccuracy of over cycling (done on purpose to over report infection rates?) of the test process and not knowing the exposure history to covid pre vaccination of the now vaccinated (ie already developed antibodies?) not to mention a whole bunch of other factors, I'd say the efficacy of the vaccines is still to be determined.
Its too early to tell whether your statement is true, Doc, especially with the number of people contracting covid weeks/months after being fully vaccinated. We're talking about vaccines that skipped the standard vetting process and rushed through based on an "emergency".
Negative, big gunner.
The effectiveness is a real world actual case number. It is as real as the cornflakes (or whatever) you ate for breakfast today. And the "vetting" process of its development is utterly irrelevant to the verifiable fact of this number, you're trying to introduce a distraction here.
Now, I'll give you this: it is early in the game, perhaps, and the number (% effectiveness) will almost certainly change.
But I say again: efficacy (predicted %) and effectiveness (actual %) are NEVER the same, but effectiveness is almost always lower than predicted efficacy. So far, we are seeing effectiveness that is HIGHER than predicted. This is not a trivial finding, it's actually quite stunning, and while not exactly unprecedented, it's pretty damn rare.
So we need to see how the effectiveness numbers change over time, I quite agree.
But we are talking about pretty large numbers here at this point in time. In Texas, the population I'm using for an example here, 43% of our population is fully vaccinated (12.6 million people out of 29 million). So observing that 99.995% of the roughly 9000 deaths we've seen since February is significant by any measure.
How much of the lowering death rates is due to the vaccination rates, or already developed natural heard immunity from pre vaccination exposure?
Herd immunity (correct spelling) doesn't come into play until a population is better than 60% immune, sometimes not even until it's much higher than that.
Some of this information is not true. Look at the Jerusalem Post for more correct truths. Or the South China News, or the India Times.
Here are some problems. Hydroxi and zinc kill and destroy the virus and you don't develop antibodies, same with Ivermectin. The CDC wants herd immunity. You only get this by getting Covid, doing nothing, and getting over it, or take the shots. Either way, you can still get Covid again but MILDER. I know a nurse who got Covid and before she could get the shots, she got it again, but milder. She got the shots.
The shots do work as advertised. My wife and I got tested for antibodies, and we didn't have them. Two weeks later we got the shots. Two weeks after the second shot, we got tested for antibodies, and we had antibodies.
I am very conservative, but there is a lot of disinformation on the right side. The shots do work. Only about 95% effective help NOT get Covid.
Vitamin D does work to prevent it. Israel did an extensive study on it and found that covered up Muslim women got Covid more than anyone else in Israel, because they were covered up and didn't get vitamin D from the sun. However you may be a carrier and not know it because you didn't get any symptoms, so get the shot.
As mentioned above, hydroxi and zinc or Ivermectin will KILL the virus IF taken early with EARLY symptoms. However, you DO NOT develop the antibodies, so get the shot.
A few people out of a million will have an allergic reaction to the shot as well as to any shot. Again, Herd Immunity is necessary to return to complete normal. so get the shot.
No matter how much vitamin D you take, vitamin C or other supplements, or have ivermectin or hydroxi on hand, you can still be a carrier or even get it. In order to get herd immunity, 70-80% of the people must either get Covid and get over it or get the shots. No other choices.
My wife and I got the shots because I am type II diabetic, have had heart failure, have Rhumatoid arthritis, and asthma. I was a candidate for death if I got Covid. Even though we acquired some horse Ivermectin and some hydroxi, as well as taking zinc and vitamin D, and picking up our groceries with curb service and ordering most of what we needed on line. We never got it, but thankfully we now have antibodies. I will go again and get the booster.
I know the left and the news media are habitual liars, but there are ways of getting the right information.
India is giving out ivermectin free to everyone in their country, because they can't afford to innoculate everyone.
Oh, and another thing, China's and Russia's vaccines are horrible, and only work about 50% of the time. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was also horrible, and it was pulled from the market. Only Fyzer and Moderna are the best at around 95% effective. No one in Europe bothered to develop a vaccine, so you have that also. They were waiting on the Americans as usual.
The vaccines were rushed to market, but worked on animals and a few volunteers. Not a complete CDC study. But Trump overruled the CDC and had it rushed to market, but it wasn't released until after he lost the fake election. Trump won by the way. The Dems had just enough cheating in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona to win. Didn't take a whole lot. That is another story. But, the vaccine was developed on Trump's watch.
Its too early to tell whether your statement is true, Doc, especially with the number of people contracting covid weeks/months after being fully vaccinated. We're talking about vaccines that skipped the standard vetting process and rushed through based on an "emergency".
Negative, big gunner.
The effectiveness is a real world actual case number. It is as real as the cornflakes (or whatever) you ate for breakfast today. And the "vetting" process of its development is utterly irrelevant to the verifiable fact of this number, you're trying to introduce a distraction here.
Now, I'll give you this: it is early in the game, perhaps, and the number (% effectiveness) will almost certainly change.
But I say again: efficacy (predicted %) and effectiveness (actual %) are NEVER the same, but effectiveness is almost always lower than predicted efficacy. So far, we are seeing effectiveness that is HIGHER than predicted. This is not a trivial finding, it's actually quite stunning, and while not exactly unprecedented, it's pretty damn rare.
So we need to see how the effectiveness numbers change over time, I quite agree.
But we are talking about pretty large numbers here at this point in time. In Texas, the population I'm using for an example here, 43% of our population is fully vaccinated (12.6 million people out of 29 million). So observing that 99.995% of the roughly 9000 deaths we've seen since February is significant by any measure.
No distraction introduced or implied. Until you have full accurate data on pre vaccination covid exposure and potential antibody development in all those previous to vaccination, you won't know whether heard immunity was caused by the vaccines or through natural exposure, or both. So what was effective, the vaccines or antibodies developed by natural exposure? combination?
How much of the lowering death rates is due to the vaccination rates, or already developed natural heard immunity from pre vaccination exposure?
Herd immunity (correct spelling) doesn't come into play until a population is better than 60% immune, sometimes not even until it's much higher than that.
Please excuse my spelling, Church Lady but how do you know whether or not you've hit the 60% + until the entire population has been accurately tested before during and after?
How much of the lowering death rates is due to the vaccination rates, or already developed natural heard immunity from pre vaccination exposure?
Herd immunity (correct spelling) doesn't come into play until a population is better than 60% immune, sometimes not even until it's much higher than that.
Please excuse my spelling, Church Lady but how do you know whether or not you've hit the 60% + until the entire population has been accurately tested before during and after?
You are confusing him with logic and facts, something he is not particularly well equipped to debate.
Is the claim now that the Corona bat virus is mutating and getting past the CV-19 ''vaccine''?
If so, does this virus keep adapting and getting past the subsequent ''vaccines'' yet to be developed?
Are the powers that be going to keep up this vaccinating until they kill most of the world population?
It is beginning to look like our masters never want us to go back to being free again. I don't think our good health is a matter of concern for the entities truly ruling this country or for that matter the world.
I heard a very experienced Scientist say these viruses come along every 10 years so this not the last one. JWP immunity does work to a point, tests seem to
indicate it does not last to long. Data is unclear at this time. But people have gotten COVID-19 twice.
Copy and post a link to the source. Claiming that natural immunity doesn't work is totally BS. I have anti bodies from having Covid-19, I know this because I was tested for them. I'm 70 and I had no problem recovering from Covid-19, plus I'm diabetic
I heard a very experienced Scientist say these viruses come along every 10 years so this not the last one. JWP immunity does work to a point, tests seem to
indicate it does not last to long. Data is unclear at this time. But people have gotten COVID-19 twice.
There is no.proof that natural immunity fades away totally and there is no proof that the vaccine last longer. NONE ZERO
I know that natural immunity lasts at least 8 months because that have been proven. Given more time we will know more about the length of time immunity lasts
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Another for "ignore"! so freakin' sick of the idiots and whiners...
So pushing back against a tyrannical government is whining and stupid?
No, endless denial of a legit virus is whining and stupid. Some of us clearly recognize the fearmongering and politicization of Covid, but we also realize that this thing kills otherwise healthy people. We've lost close friends to this sh t. Tired of reading from idiots who don't get it.
Explain, Sweden. Never shut down. Never had a mask mandate. Vaccine rate is at about 38%. It’s open to tourists with no restrictions. Business is booming. Basically have zero Covid deaths a day now. In every metric, they did as well to slightly better than the idiots who shut everything down and who are now trying to vaccinate two year olds.
Explain, Sweden. Never shut down. Never had a mask mandate. Vaccine rate is at about 38%. It’s open to tourists with no restrictions. Business is booming. Basically have zero Covid deaths a day now. In every metric, they did as well to slightly better than the idiots who shut everything down and who are now trying to vaccinate two year olds.
Covidtards never want to talk about Sweden it doesn't fit their fear narrative
I heard a very experienced Scientist say these viruses come along every 10 years so this not the last one. JWP immunity does work to a point, tests seem to
indicate it does not last to long. Data is unclear at this time. But people have gotten COVID-19 twice.
I heard a very experienced Scientist say these viruses come along every 10 years so this not the last one. JWP immunity does work to a point, tests seem to
indicate it does not last to long. Data is unclear at this time. But people have gotten COVID-19 twice.
Especially after taking the Jab.
And I personally know 2 people that have Covid-19 and were both fully vaccinated.
It happens both ways. If you don't have natural immunity after having Covid-19 then you have a weak immune system
I got out of the hospital here in Louisiana this past Saturday. The hospital is segregated by floors for covid positive patients and non positive patients. The surgeon as well as the day and night nurses taking care of me all reported the ER was full of non vaccinated covid positive people of all ages.
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Another for "ignore"! so freakin' sick of the idiots and whiners...
So pushing back against a tyrannical government is whining and stupid?
No, endless denial of a legit virus is whining and stupid. Some of us clearly recognize the fearmongering and politicization of Covid, but we also realize that this thing kills otherwise healthy people. We've lost close friends to this sh t. Tired of reading from idiots who don't get it.
I got out of the hospital here in Louisiana this past Saturday. The hospital is segregated by floors for covid positive patients and non positive patients. The surgeon as well as the day and night nurses taking care of me all reported the ER was full of non vaccinated covid positive people of all ages.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
I got out of the hospital here in Louisiana this past Saturday. The hospital is segregated by floors for covid positive patients and non positive patients. The surgeon as well as the day and night nurses taking care of me all reported the ER was full of non vaccinated covid positive people of all ages.
We heard that hospitals in NY were overflowing so a Navy hospital ship.wax sent and had no patients. Too much lying BS from the beginning.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
You mean like all the unvaccinated people that had it and are perfectly fine?
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
Bout the same as the number of un-vaccinated people that are seriously ill.
Just now talked to a 69 year old that I went to school with. From a big family of poor folks. Told me he got both shots and got seriously sick for over a month after the 2nd one. Has no idea which ''vaccine'' he got. His older brother with heart trouble got the shots and was dead in 2 weeks. Coincidence maybe. I'm betting neither one got reported as an adverse event.
Just now talked to a 69 year old that I went to school with. From a big family of poor folks. Told me he got both shots and got seriously sick for over a month after the 2nd one. Has no idea which ''vaccine'' he got. His older brother with heart trouble got the shots and was dead in 2 weeks. Coincidence maybe. I'm betting neither one got reported as an adverse event.
Her own lawyers said her claims were so absurd no reasonable person would believe them, yet the gateway pundit reported her claims as a bombshell revelation.
Besides, who said any of the mainstream news media were without bias? I sure as hell didn't. All I said was, your sources are not without bias either, the point being, just because you agree with a particular slant doesn't mean you shouldn't question it every now and then.
Sen. Ron Johnson: Data from Israel Shows 84% of New COVID Cases are with Vaccinated Individuals
Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) joined Maria Bartiromo on Mornings with Maria on Wednesday morning.
Senator Ron Johnson: The American people deserve the truth. Really, the people of the world deserve the truth on this and unfortunately because of the cabal between social media, mainstream media, and our federal health agencies and big government, we’re not getting the truth. The truth has been covered up for months whether we’re talking about gain-of-function research, whether we’re talking about the effectiveness of early treatment. I can’t explain all of this Maria, all I know is something has gone off the rails here. I’m trying to look for answers. It just doesn’t make sense to me… I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
A friend visiting from Switzerland told us his elderly father in law died this spring 15 mins. after taking his second dose, never made it out of the hospital.
So apparently a politician, who most of y'all say is a class that can't be trusted under any circumstances, misquoted from a suspect report/paper from a country a long way from here, says that most of the people getting COVID are vaccinated folks. And you trust him to be telling the truth.
It is to laugh.
Hmm. Funny how none of the numbers on this side of the pond line up with that. Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, as many as 43 were fully vaccinated, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services in a recent article. Gee, that means that 99.995% of the Covid deaths in Texas have been in non-vaccinated people.
Yep, that sure lines up with that lying politician's report, all right.
I think a bunch of y'alls are getting yourselves bamboozled because you want to be bamboozled.
You've read the "Heroes Work Here" sign outside your hospital one too many times there doc. Sounds like you've been bamboozled.
The politics of Covid absolutely flabbergasts me. It’s the white knights on the right led by the new Republicans against the libtards on the left thinking they will hurt the leftist, I always ask those that are not vaccinated what there story is re: not getting it. My brother in the great state of TX tells me they don’t have a cure for the gout and in 9 months we have a vaccine. After I told him that the gout is caused by what he puts in his 300 lb Carcass he called me a week later to confirm that’s what it’s all about. I ask people where they get their information. You guessed it, all the places you already know, internet, the news, politicians etc etc etc. My workout trainer is letting his immunity take over and complains about the stolen election. Hello out there. The boys and girls on the right may be in for a big surprise in 2022 and 2024. The Republican Party is you would like to know it is lost in the woods. Too bad. If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I respect your courage. If you get the VID, please stay home and don’t clog the hospitals. By the way, I’ve been an independent since 1970. I say that because people make assumptions because you guessed it Trump was not my choice long before he decided to run. In 4 years hopefully we will have a few qualified candidates.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
Cue the useful idiot!!!
You’re a retard.
If you directed your remarks toward me, I would expect nothing less from you. Because someone's life experience, doesn't meet your expectations! You feel the need to up your post count, with dribble! You're a retard, Your a retard, we already established that long ago! Now go back to one line insulting post counts, Bob. How about you Bob up and kiss my ass!
The politics of Covid absolutely flabbergasts me. It’s the white knights on the right led by the new Republicans against the libtards on the left thinking they will hurt the leftist, I always ask those that are not vaccinated what there story is re: not getting it. My brother in the great state of TX tells me they don’t have a cure for the gout and in 9 months we have a vaccine. After I told him that the gout is caused by what he puts in his 300 lb Carcass he called me a week later to confirm that’s what it’s all about. I ask people where they get their information. You guessed it, all the places you already know, internet, the news, politicians etc etc etc. My workout trainer is letting his immunity take over and complains about the stolen election. Hello out there. The boys and girls on the right may be in for a big surprise in 2022 and 2024. The Republican Party is you would like to know it is lost in the woods. Too bad. If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I respect your courage. If you get the VID, please stay home and don’t clog the hospitals. By the way, I’ve been an independent since 1970. I say that because people make assumptions because you guessed it Trump was not my choice long before he decided to run. In 4 years hopefully we will have a few qualified candidates.
The question we all need to be asking ourselves & the .Govs of the world is why the big psychotic demand for all to be expediently injected with an untested, unproven, unsafe toxxine of unknown substances, ie " c19 vaccine " ? when conditions DO NOT support the need for any vaccinations at all ... There never has been a bigger push for such a massive injection of the masses in history, gotta dig deep into your hearts and minds and try to come up with a rational explanation, you won't find one .... this is an operation with some of the most sinister people on earth behind it .....
This so called "pandemic" was orchestrated to instill fear into the masses in order to assure compliance and submission to freely accept these questionable injections ....
All is not well here.... all is not as it seems to be ...
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
So apparently a politician, who most of y'all say is a class that can't be trusted under any circumstances, misquoted from a suspect report/paper from a country a long way from here, says that most of the people getting COVID are vaccinated folks. And you trust him to be telling the truth.
It is to laugh.
Hmm. Funny how none of the numbers on this side of the pond line up with that. Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, as many as 43 were fully vaccinated, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services in a recent article. Gee, that means that 99.995% of the Covid deaths in Texas have been in non-vaccinated people.
Yep, that sure lines up with that lying politician's report, all right.
I think a bunch of y'alls are getting yourselves bamboozled because you want to be bamboozled.
You've read the "Heroes Work Here" sign outside your hospital one too many times there doc. Sounds like you've been bamboozled.
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Another for "ignore"! so freakin' sick of the idiots and whiners...
So pushing back against a tyrannical government is whining and stupid?
No, endless denial of a legit virus is whining and stupid. Some of us clearly recognize the fearmongering and politicization of Covid, but we also realize that this thing kills otherwise healthy people. We've lost close friends to this sh t. Tired of reading from idiots who don't get it.
Interesting.... well I am tired of people fear mongering and promoting the hysteria and playing into the Marxist hand.... If you choose to get the jab and line up for the box cars I guess that is your business, I understand fear is a terrific motivator for weak minded people, not everyone has courage. But this virtue signaling nonsense is a straight up cowards play. I have breaking news for you, none of us are getting out of this alive.... so die on your knees or standing on your feet.... your choice
Try a little research on your own. It’s not hard. The two shot jabs are not vaccines, it’s an immunization boost. Nothing more.
That's all vaccines are - an immunization boost. This whole thread is a cesspool of misinformation.
No, assuming the recipient has a normal immune system, when you are vaccinated against a particular virus, you are immune to that virus. Sure, they might immunize you against X flu virus in advance of the season, and you contract Y virus during the season, because they didn't anticipate Y virus, but you were immune to X. This is apparently not the case with the supposed COVID19 "vaccine." That's because it's not a vaccine.
Interesting.... well I am tired of people fear mongering and promoting the hysteria and playing into the Marxist hand.... If you choose to get the jab and line up for the box cars I guess that is your business, I understand fear is a terrific motivator for weak minded people, not everyone has courage. But this virtue signaling nonsense is a straight up cowards play. I have breaking news for you, none of us are getting out of this alive.... so die on your knees or standing on your feet.... your choice
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Hey, wait a minute.... isn't that the same hospital Toot's daughter works at? hmmmmmmm
Baton Rouge area hospitals supposedly at max ER capacities undergoing their 4th surge in Covid cases.
Today’s local newspaper, 2theadvocate.com
Being your wife is in the know and in regular communication with like entities, have her check it out.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Hey, wait a minute.... isn't that the same hospital Toot's daughter works at? hmmmmmmm
Baton Rouge area hospitals supposedly at max ER capacities undergoing their 4th surge in Covid cases.
Today’s local newspaper, 2theadvocate.com
Being your wife is in the know and in regular communication with like entities, have her check it out.
Maybe your sources have an agenda? As for my wife's sources, they are on the West coast and it is pretty quiet in the covid wards. Also wifeys sources are from the trenches with no political agenda... A little critical thinking will serve you well Tootster
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Those hospitals had to lay off workers because they stopped doing routine hospital things . Fugking Covtard Losers
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Those hospitals had to lay off workers because they stopped doing routine hospital things . Fugking Covtard Losers
And now these hospitals are regaining lost revenue by coding all deaths as covid, for the government payout.... the healthcare system has been compromised by the bureaucrats.
Why are vaccinated folks being the majority of positive testing lately, why isn't it the other way around????? What are they doing differently to get the virus that the unvaccinated aren't doing? It's completely flip flopped now, its more dangerous to be around a vaccinated person.
My wifes have been dealing with vaccinated folks every day and their side effects from it, she wants no part of what they are going through after the shots. My mother had to make herself get the 2nd shot after the 1st one put her on her butt for two weeks. She said its was every bit as bad as when she had covid.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Hey, wait a minute.... isn't that the same hospital Toot's daughter works at? hmmmmmmm
Baton Rouge area hospitals supposedly at max ER capacities undergoing their 4th surge in Covid cases.
Today’s local newspaper, 2theadvocate.com
Being your wife is in the know and in regular communication with like entities, have her check it out.
Maybe your sources have an agenda? As for my wife's sources, they are on the West coast and it is pretty quiet in the covid wards. Also wifeys sources are from the trenches with no political agenda... A little critical thinking will serve you well Tootster
Seeing as how she’s “in the know” maybe have her check out the “trenches” in the Baton Rouge area and render an opinion on things there.
60 were admitted to OLOL ER last Friday, none of which had been vaccinated. Two employees who had been vaccinated showed symptoms and were sent home. More vaccinated employees were sent home over the weekend supposedly.
Sounds like an agenda for sure.
Glad to know that all is well on the West Coast,,,,,except for the state of California requiring all state employees being vaccinated, along with New York.
When the wife gets back from the trenches, let us know what she found.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Those hospitals had to lay off workers because they stopped doing routine hospital things . Fugking Covtard Losers
They had some busy times though, a nurse I know said patients were in bag setups out in the hallway, she described it like what ET was in at the end of the movie. They were out of rooms.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Those hospitals had to lay off workers because they stopped doing routine hospital things . Fugking Covtard Losers
They had some busy times though, a nurse I know said patients were in bag setups out in the hallway, she described it like what ET was in at the end of the movie. They were out of rooms.
Yes one or two die but the vaccine saves tens of thousands of lives. No vaccine ever made was 100% , but you all took the older ones., like polio, mumps and so on. These have the best track record so far and you listen to Donald Trump who has no medical training at all but will not Listen to all the doctors who say take the shot. I do not understand your thinking?
3 of my good friends are medical doctors that my wife works with. She is an RN-NP, Not one of those 3 doctors have taken a CV-19 '' vaccine and apparently don't plan to. I have a 29 year old daughter RN who works in an ICU. She is expecting twins and is adamant that she won't get this concoction. The folks I know best that are medical professionals tell me the masks are bull manure for effectiveness and this is a virus that will run either its course or keep mutating and stay with us. Time will tell. These are the kind of folks I listen to along with my naturally skeptic outlook. That Dr. Faucci dude looks like a serial killer to me and Bill Gates is known to favor a lower world population.
Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Hey, wait a minute.... isn't that the same hospital Toot's daughter works at? hmmmmmmm
Baton Rouge area hospitals supposedly at max ER capacities undergoing their 4th surge in Covid cases.
Today’s local newspaper, 2theadvocate.com
Being your wife is in the know and in regular communication with like entities, have her check it out.
Maybe your sources have an agenda? As for my wife's sources, they are on the West coast and it is pretty quiet in the covid wards. Also wifeys sources are from the trenches with no political agenda... A little critical thinking will serve you well Tootster
Seeing as how she’s “in the know” maybe have her check out the “trenches” in the Baton Rouge area and render an opinion on things there.
60 were admitted to OLOL ER last Friday, none of which had been vaccinated. Two employees who had been vaccinated showed symptoms and were sent home. More vaccinated employees were sent home over the weekend supposedly.
Sounds like an agenda for sure.
Glad to know that all is well on the West Coast,,,,,except for the state of California requiring all state employees being vaccinated, along with New York.
When the wife gets back from the trenches, let us know what she found.
Thanks fubar.
Toot. right here is your problem.... you state "California requiring state employees require the jab" as if that is proof of something, besides simply being a tyrannical government. I can lead you to water but it is up to you to drink
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Yeah fubar that’s some really hot agenda “exposure “.
Duh.
Let us know what your wife determines from down in the trenches, please.
So all two year degree nurses wiping butt and changing diapers are now frontline heroes according to the MSM . Toot bought it hook, line, and sinker . LMAO
Baton Rouge area hospitals supposedly at max ER capacities undergoing their 4th surge in Covid cases.
Today’s local newspaper, 2theadvocate.com
Another propaganda line, from a bullshit poster.
"max ER capacities", like "excess deaths", is a complete lie intended ta serve as propaganda.
Here's a Baton Rouge are hospital:
"In an emergency, quick, quality care is the highest priority. Our three emergency rooms are equipped to offer a complete range of emergency services."
1 - There is no limit to what a covtard will do, from postin crap bout fake dead friends/relatives, ta postin propaganda, ta makin employees take the virus or lose their jobs, if they're an employer. Physical violence is certainly not out of the question.
2 - Goebbels was a POS, but ya hadda respect his abilities. Not anymore. From seein covtards' pathetic actions in the US since last year to the obvious bullshit that boblo-19 is, he had it easy.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Yeah fubar that’s some really hot agenda “exposure “.
Duh.
Let us know what your wife determines from down in the trenches, please.
3 of Khan/ wifes coworkers popped positive for C19 last Friday. They can't work for 2 weeks 2 of em fully vaccinated back in early feb...
Fughing scamdemic to unseat President Trump sponsored by the chinese and globalist and our Liberal Socialist Democrats.
Anyone who sees it otherwise is a fool or part of the problem.
And yes Khan/ wife is vaccinated of her own free will.
Don't forget to include the Republican establishment in this.. They wanted Trump gone just as much if not more so than the Democrats. The Republican Party is still doing whatever it can to shut down audits, obstruct audits and cover up the massive election fraud that was the 2020 Presidential Election.
If The Vax is just an Immune Booster and not a "True" vaccine, are those that have taken the Vax still capable of spreading the virus?
After all, they are still inhaling and exhaling the same air as unvaccinated persons, the only difference is when they get The Rona, their symptoms will be less severe.
Gov Bill Lee said statewide our ICU only at about 3%
Difference in who controls the propaganda from blue state governors to red state.
He also just shît canned a fat bitch director for pushing a campaign to promote vaccines under 12 years old age. Man o man, the negro church leaders want an investigation into miss sweet lady’s firing.
So all two year degree nurses wiping butt and changing diapers are now frontline heroes according to the MSM . Toot bought it hook, line, and sinker . LMAO
That’s quite a bit more than is required for your mr. mom job.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Yeah fubar that’s some really hot agenda “exposure “.
Duh.
Let us know what your wife determines from down in the trenches, please.
I am trying to be nice to you..... not sure why?
Quit trying. Go to Ignore. Problem solved.
You’re the one that brought up the wife being “in the know “.
If The Vax is just an Immune Booster and not a "True" vaccine, are those that have taken the Vax still capable of spreading the virus?
After all, they are still inhaling and exhaling the same air as unvaccinated persons, the only difference is when they get The Rona, their symptoms will be less severe.
Right?
Where is the actual proof that vaccinated people have milder symptoms than unvaccinated? My mother is in the nursing home and Covid-19 went through the residents she was unvaccinated at the time and refused to believe the test results because she didn't feel "that bad"
So where is the conclusive proof that the symptoms are less for the vaccinated?
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
They're probably just pussies.
Could be, but you wouldn't make a pimple on either ones ass!
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Yeah fubar that’s some really hot agenda “exposure “.
Duh.
Let us know what your wife determines from down in the trenches, please.
I am trying to be nice to you..... not sure why?
Quit trying. Go to Ignore. Problem solved.
You’re the one that brought up the wife being “in the know “.
Try Ignore.
A little scrutiny is good for you... if I was to ignore , you would miss many "teachable" moments
If The Vax is just an Immune Booster and not a "True" vaccine, are those that have taken the Vax still capable of spreading the virus?
After all, they are still inhaling and exhaling the same air as unvaccinated persons, the only difference is when they get The Rona, their symptoms will be less severe.
Right?
Where is the actual proof that vaccinated people have milder symptoms than unvaccinated? My mother is in the nursing home and Covid-19 went through the residents she was unvaccinated at the time and refused to believe the test results because she didn't feel "that bad"
So where is the conclusive proof that the symptoms are less for the vaccinated?
The operative saying is, “supposed to “.
Two of my daughter’s coworkers that tested positive and were sent home said that they felt really bad but about the same as when they both took the second shot. Not much of a snapshot.
If The Vax is just an Immune Booster and not a "True" vaccine, are those that have taken the Vax still capable of spreading the virus?
After all, they are still inhaling and exhaling the same air as unvaccinated persons, the only difference is when they get The Rona, their symptoms will be less severe.
We saw the same pattern play out last year, i.e., constant reports of overwhelmed hospitals, along with parroting of this message by members of online forums with supposed firsthand knowledge. Then we had a bunch of folks actually go out to hospitals and videotape. What they saw and recorded were ghost town levels of inactivity.
Right Hwky..... You would think the people would be wise to the play the second time around..... but noooo The director of Toots hospital has been exposed as having an agenda.... yet here we go again
Where did this ‘agenda exposure ‘ happen and how was it “exposed”?
Quote from a few post back.... you even responded to it... duh
quote; Thanks for sharing,I will take your Dr. friends advice. Catherine O'Neal MD is chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake hospital in Baton Rouge and associate professor of clinical medicine, ...was on TV last week scaring people.She said we have 2 choices take the vaccine to end the pandemic or Death.Wonder how much she's getting to go on TV and say this.
Yeah fubar that’s some really hot agenda “exposure “.
Duh.
Let us know what your wife determines from down in the trenches, please.
I am trying to be nice to you..... not sure why?
Quit trying. Go to Ignore. Problem solved.
You’re the one that brought up the wife being “in the know “.
Try Ignore.
A little scrutiny is good for you... if I was to ignore , you would miss many "teachable" moments
I would be reluctant to believe anything wikipedia says... So I didn't read it. It's always been my understanding that several hundred cold varieties exist and once you had one you never got it again. Therefore as we age we get less colds. I did not attend virology school and therefore haven't been indoctrinated into the propaganda..... So a grain of salt and an ounce of common sense is all I got.... .
If The Vax is just an Immune Booster and not a "True" vaccine, are those that have taken the Vax still capable of spreading the virus?
After all, they are still inhaling and exhaling the same air as unvaccinated persons, the only difference is when they get The Rona, their symptoms will be less severe.
Right?
Where is the actual proof that vaccinated people have milder symptoms than unvaccinated? My mother is in the nursing home and Covid-19 went through the residents she was unvaccinated at the time and refused to believe the test results because she didn't feel "that bad"
So where is the conclusive proof that the symptoms are less for the vaccinated?
Duno if there is any, I am just responding to these two that made the claim.
Originally Posted by MikeReilly
Originally Posted by cfran
Try a little research on your own. It’s not hard. The two shot jabs are not vaccines, it’s an immunization boost. Nothing more.
That's all vaccines are - an immunization boost. This whole thread is a cesspool of misinformation.
Hospitals are almost always close to max ER capacity. ERs are expensive and they don’t run a lot of excess capacity. So most hospitals almost always run at 90% capacity. An extra handful of patients in the ER will max them out. That said, they have the capacity to expand that by another 25% or so quite easily if needed.
Saying ERs are maxed out is just word games and fear porn.
Hospitals are almost always close to max ER capacity. ERs are expensive and they don’t run a lot of excess capacity. So most hospitals almost always run at 90% capacity. An extra handful of patients in the ER will max them out. That said, they have the capacity to expand that by another 25% or so quite easily if needed.
Saying ERs are maxed out is just word games and fear porn.
You need to draw a picture for Toot.... with crayons preferably
The politics of Covid absolutely flabbergasts me. It’s the white knights on the right led by the new Republicans against the libtards on the left thinking they will hurt the leftist, I always ask those that are not vaccinated what there story is re: not getting it. My brother in the great state of TX tells me they don’t have a cure for the gout and in 9 months we have a vaccine. After I told him that the gout is caused by what he puts in his 300 lb Carcass he called me a week later to confirm that’s what it’s all about. I ask people where they get their information. You guessed it, all the places you already know, internet, the news, politicians etc etc etc. My workout trainer is letting his immunity take over and complains about the stolen election. Hello out there. The boys and girls on the right may be in for a big surprise in 2022 and 2024. The Republican Party is you would like to know it is lost in the woods. Too bad. If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I respect your courage. If you get the VID, please stay home and don’t clog the hospitals. By the way, I’ve been an independent since 1970. I say that because people make assumptions because you guessed it Trump was not my choice long before he decided to run. In 4 years hopefully we will have a few qualified candidates.
Since your opinion on Trump is so wrong. How would anyone take what you say with any credibility?
The politics of Covid absolutely flabbergasts me. It’s the white knights on the right led by the new Republicans against the libtards on the left thinking they will hurt the leftist, I always ask those that are not vaccinated what there story is re: not getting it. My brother in the great state of TX tells me they don’t have a cure for the gout and in 9 months we have a vaccine. After I told him that the gout is caused by what he puts in his 300 lb Carcass he called me a week later to confirm that’s what it’s all about. I ask people where they get their information. You guessed it, all the places you already know, internet, the news, politicians etc etc etc. My workout trainer is letting his immunity take over and complains about the stolen election. Hello out there. The boys and girls on the right may be in for a big surprise in 2022 and 2024. The Republican Party is you would like to know it is lost in the woods. Too bad. If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I respect your courage. If you get the VID, please stay home and don’t clog the hospitals. By the way, I’ve been an independent since 1970. I say that because people make assumptions because you guessed it Trump was not my choice long before he decided to run. In 4 years hopefully we will have a few qualified candidates.
Guess you are accepting the MSM Narrative instead of the truth.
As reported in several studies and Biden’s own administration it is the young 25-37 that are not taking the jab, Blacks and Hispanics are topping the list on those refusing the jab.
In other words the majority of the never-Vaxers are Democrats.
The real question is how many vaccinated people who catch COVID are seriously ill? How many are in the hospital? Are in the ICU? Die? The shots are suppose to prevent you from having serious problems. I have to question the claim that 84% of those who have Covid have been vaccinated.
How many who aren’t vaccinated are seriously ill? Not many.
Ed is close to death from covid. He was not vaccinated! His wife and her parents were vaccinated! Two weeks before Ed got sick, they all traveled to Arizona together! Came home and two days later he was in the hospital, now flown to the schitt hole Portland, because they have more machines to (help?) him! He and his morning coffee partner, both in hospital, not vaccinated either! Carl isn't as sick, but been in the hospital now for almost two weeks! Those are the only people I know sick from covid! Input do with it what you want! PS. Ed is 44 ,Carl is 61!
They're probably just pussies.
Could be, but you wouldn't make a pimple on either ones ass!
Try a little research on your own. It’s not hard. The two shot jabs are not vaccines, it’s an immunization boost. Nothing more.
That's all vaccines are - an immunization boost. This whole thread is a cesspool of misinformation.
American Heritage Dictionary:
vaccine n. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection. n. A preparation from the cowpox virus that protects against smallpox when administered to an individual.
Hospitals are almost always close to max ER capacity. ERs are expensive and they don’t run a lot of excess capacity. So most hospitals almost always run at 90% capacity. An extra handful of patients in the ER will max them out. That said, they have the capacity to expand that by another 25% or so quite easily if needed.
Saying ERs are maxed out is just word games and fear porn.
You need to draw a picture for Toot.... with crayons preferably
Well the hospital administrations are saying it and the newspaper is printing it and the talking heads on local tv are preaching it. There is that to consider. The Lafayette, Louisiana area hospitals are also reporting maxed out. I guess they just ran out of room .
Hospitals are almost always close to max ER capacity. ERs are expensive and they don’t run a lot of excess capacity. So most hospitals almost always run at 90% capacity. An extra handful of patients in the ER will max them out. That said, they have the capacity to expand that by another 25% or so quite easily if needed.
Saying ERs are maxed out is just word games and fear porn.
You need to draw a picture for Toot.... with crayons preferably
Well the hospital administrations are saying it and the newspaper is printing it and the talking heads on local tv are preaching it. There is that to consider. The Lafayette, Louisiana area hospitals are also reporting maxed out. I guess they just ran out of room .
And masks don't work but then they do and HDQ doesn't work and then it does and Ivermectin doesn't work and then it does and I'm not taking the JAB if developed under TRUMP and then I did and we need more hospital space in NYC but after we built it and brought one we didn't........The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Hospitals are almost always close to max ER capacity. ERs are expensive and they don’t run a lot of excess capacity. So most hospitals almost always run at 90% capacity. An extra handful of patients in the ER will max them out. That said, they have the capacity to expand that by another 25% or so quite easily if needed.
Saying ERs are maxed out is just word games and fear porn.
You need to draw a picture for Toot.... with crayons preferably
Well the hospital administrations are saying it and the newspaper is printing it and the talking heads on local tv are preaching it. There is that to consider. The Lafayette, Louisiana area hospitals are also reporting maxed out. I guess they just ran out of room .
And masks don't work but then they do and HDQ doesn't work and then it does and Ivermectin doesn't work and then it does and I'm not taking the JAB if developed under TRUMP and then I did and we need more hospital space in NYC but after we built it and brought one we didn't........The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
A question Toot, did you ever hear Rush Limbaugh when he did his montages of all the press using the same talking points? Remember when GW Bush lacked gravitas's? they all used the same term, never heard it before or since.... coincidence? hell no Point being they all repeat talking points that serve the narrative
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
My wife is a Doc that owns her own clinic. 12 providers, 54 employees. She contracts services with a hospital but is not owned by the hospital. She is a contractor, not an employee. She is completely against the notion of a mandatory vaccine scenario. Her reasoning is quite simple. No one can argue no long term data on any of the vaccines exists. She's specifically against the mRNA delivery system for the same reason as some have mentioned. They have been working on this delivery method for 25 years and it has yet to get approval. She's big into research. Her focus now is researching Novavax. It is not an mRNA delivered solution. She has a full on lab in her clinic that's owned and operated by another Doc. She asked him about the Novavax solution and this was his response:
Novavax should theoretically be safer, however, the long term concern is that we are forming an antibody formulated to a virus from 18 months ago. The virus does slowly mutate and drift.
Giving these shots now is the equivalent of hospitals mandating flu shots, but telling us that they are going to give the formulation from 2 years ago’s season. Yes, even novavax.
An antibody lasts forever. If it is a good one against a relatively stable pathogen like measles or Hep B, that’s great. If it is a bad antibody, it can become our physiologic enemy. The problem is not necessarily immediate, but rather, down the road , when we encounter a corona virus (I.e SARS cov3-esque) that is mutated enough that those antibodies bind virus, but don’t neutralize. Then we are immune “primed” for both a hyper immune reactions and excess viral replication. This is an antibody dependent enhancement reaction. We have never had a successful HIV nor coronavirus vaccine for this very reason. Viral families and our responses to them immunologically are very different. Personally, I will never get a vaccine against any corona virus, of any sort, ever. I understand the long term mechanisms and dangers too well. This is a canary in the coal mine tale of enhancement reactions that happened with Dengue vaccines.
Mandates, for an experiment, bound to fail, are criminal. I get the impression that money to the hospitals promised by the government is the driving factor. The shots so far are the most dangerous/deadly medication/shot/biologic agent ever used on humanity. I don’t know if no one in the hospitals is looking, or if they are willfully ignorant. I am speaking out wherever I can. I know immunology and virology. All of these are imprudent.
Early treatments and prophylaxis are statistically far more effective.
The breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths from delta are from the vaccinated, according to world data. The CDC is straight up lying.
A question Toot, did you ever hear Rush Limbaugh when he did his montages of all the press using the same talking points? Remember when GW Bush lacked gravitas's? they all used the same term, never heard it before or since.... coincidence? hell no Point being they all repeat talking points that serve the narrative
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
A question Toot, did you ever hear Rush Limbaugh when he did his montages of all the press using the same talking points? Remember when GW Bush lacked gravitas's? they all used the same term, never heard it before or since.... coincidence? hell no Point being they all repeat talking points that serve the narrative
The video compilation of networks around the world repeating the same schit are hilarious , oh and you build one hell of a great rifle
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
So they say... As for the nursing home deaths, again no surprise. They claimed Sturgis would be a super spreader event last year.... wrong Question them all Toot
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
So they say... As for the nursing home deaths, again no surprise. They claimed Sturgis would be a super spreader event last year.... wrong Question them all Toot
A question Toot, did you ever hear Rush Limbaugh when he did his montages of all the press using the same talking points? Remember when GW Bush lacked gravitas's? they all used the same term, never heard it before or since.... coincidence? hell no Point being they all repeat talking points that serve the narrative
The video compilation of networks around the world repeating the same schit are hilarious , oh and you build one hell of a great rifle
Thanks buddy..... People really need to open their eyes as to the media lies and propaganda
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
So they say... As for the nursing home deaths, again no surprise. They claimed Sturgis would be a super spreader event last year.... wrong Question them all Toot
So they say.
Toot, are you at extreme risk of dyeing from covid? do you have comorbidities?
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
So they say... As for the nursing home deaths, again no surprise. They claimed Sturgis would be a super spreader event last year.... wrong Question them all Toot
So they say.
Toot, are you at extreme risk of dyeing from covid? do you have comorbidities?
None known, fubar.
Repeating myself here but I needed a long expired Celebrex prescription filled and because it was longer than a year that I had seen my doc, I had to go in for a visit via their protocol. It’s the only prescription that I have and I use it when I overdo things.
I was tested while there at the office and was found positive but no symptoms whatsoever and was checked 3 more times over a 3 week period before going negative. Never had any associated symptoms.
His advice was that if he were me, he’d hold off on any vaccinations. I took his advice. I’ve not had the shots. He did advise back then that variants would follow and if he felt that I needed the vax for those that the nurse would call me to come in. No calls yet.
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
So they say... As for the nursing home deaths, again no surprise. They claimed Sturgis would be a super spreader event last year.... wrong Question them all Toot
So they say.
Toot, are you at extreme risk of dyeing from covid? do you have comorbidities?
None known, fubar.
Repeating myself here but I needed a long expired Celebrex prescription filled and because it was longer than a year that I had seen my doc, I had to go in for a visit via their protocol. It’s the only prescription that I have and I use it when I overdo things.
I was tested while there at the office and was found positive but no symptoms whatsoever and was checked 3 more times over a 3 week period before going negative. Never had any associated symptoms.
His advice was that if he were me, he’d hold off on any vaccinations. I took his advice. I’ve not had the shots. He did advise back then that variants would follow and if he felt that I needed the vax for those that the nurse would call me to come in. No calls yet.
My doc is also the Coroner.
Ok thanks for the reply. I am simply trying to understand your position.... you can be contradictory and confusing at times. Sounds like your immune system did it's job and you should have antibodies
[quote=Old_Toot][quote=irfubar]Toot, Do you believe those sources?
I’d say that the truth lies somewhere in between buried deep in the folds.
I go by what my doctor told me or will tell me. I believe him.
Remember in the beginning of covid, those emergency room doc's from NY. they were basically freaking out... they were on the front lines and according to their view the world was going to end. So yep they were a little passionate with their point of view. Well news flash.... elsewhere the powers to be shut hospitals down preparing for the tidal wave of patients... that never came Point being ground zero may not always reflect the true nature of the problem. Also the doctors now are under extreme pressure to advance the narrative... if they speak out against it they are GONE I am a little surprised you have not been able to connect these dots
That tidal wave hit Louisiana right after Mardi Gras. The cases were tracked from New Orleans right up the Mississippi River corridor and across the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and points northward from there.
The Louisiana War Veterans home in LaPlace, Louisiana just north of New Orleans lost 17 residents in rapid fire style.
Toot, are you at extreme risk of dyeing from covid? do you have comorbidities?
None known, fubar.
Repeating myself here but I needed a long expired Celebrex prescription filled and because it was longer than a year that I had seen my doc, I had to go in for a visit via their protocol. It’s the only prescription that I have and I use it when I overdo things.
I was tested while there at the office and was found positive but no symptoms whatsoever and was checked 3 more times over a 3 week period before going negative. Never had any associated symptoms.
His advice was that if he were me, he’d hold off on any vaccinations. I took his advice. I’ve not had the shots. He did advise back then that variants would follow and if he felt that I needed the vax for those that the nurse would call me to come in. No calls yet.
My doc is also the Coroner.
Ok thanks for the reply. I am simply trying to understand your position.... you can be contradictory and confusing at times. Sounds like your immune system did it's job and you should have antibodies
Yet you NEVER hear anyone state: "if you've already had the Rona"
Only hear: Get the vaxx, get the vaxx!!!
Yeah add to that the fact that doctors were bypassed and you might excuse me if my impression is that the vaccine is about more than simply my good health.
The politics of Covid absolutely flabbergasts me. It’s the white knights on the right led by the new Republicans against the libtards on the left thinking they will hurt the leftist, I always ask those that are not vaccinated what there story is re: not getting it. My brother in the great state of TX tells me they don’t have a cure for the gout and in 9 months we have a vaccine. After I told him that the gout is caused by what he puts in his 300 lb Carcass he called me a week later to confirm that’s what it’s all about. I ask people where they get their information. You guessed it, all the places you already know, internet, the news, politicians etc etc etc. My workout trainer is letting his immunity take over and complains about the stolen election. Hello out there. The boys and girls on the right may be in for a big surprise in 2022 and 2024. The Republican Party is you would like to know it is lost in the woods. Too bad. If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I respect your courage. If you get the VID, please stay home and don’t clog the hospitals. By the way, I’ve been an independent since 1970. I say that because people make assumptions because you guessed it Trump was not my choice long before he decided to run. In 4 years hopefully we will have a few qualified candidates.
clown show. Can you legally even purchase a firearm in that schithole state you currently live in?
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but how do you know whether or not you've hit the 60% + until the entire population has been accurately tested before during and after?
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