Was fugging horrible before I spent a 1/2 hr rubbing out the blotches with a blue jean rag
Still all jacked up..
Used min wax pre stain crap .
Supposed to make it even and not blotch.
Bet I woulda had same results if I had never used it.....
Schit turned out like a freshman wood shop project.
Big fat C for a grade.......

Gonna hit the dark areas of blotch with some selective straight mineral spirits.
See if it can get rid of some of it.
Dunno...
It might lift some of it out...

Pretty flustered...
Why I always liked to work with oak, red cedar, and Black walnut.

Cause I found out back in freshman wood shop.
Birch and maple suck the root IMO.....

At least I got grain showing versus the factory finish that was
Sprayed on it to completely cover tone differences and make it all look the same
Factory schitt.........

Either way
Let it dry overnight
Start the tru oil tommorow.

Is what it is.

A birch stock.........

I have some sample boards

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IDGAF..
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You got a 2"x 2" one with consistent grain and wood density.
Something perfect for a consistent shade start to finish...

Cause I want one that is totally unlike all the variances in a stock.


So I can look at it and punch myself repeatedly in the nuts.


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Birch, maple, cherry - all blotch like a muh fugga. I've had better luck in the past with dye than stains (on furniture/cabinets). Dye can still blotch but not to the extent of pigment based stain IME.

Have never tried it but have read and know a few guys that swear by rubbing a quick layer of gel varnish on the prepped, bare piece and after working it in laying a layer of stain on immediately. Always seemed like more trouble than birch was worth to me.

As for maple and cherry I personally prefer not to stain or dye - let it be what it is or choose lumber that is the color you want is my philosophy (for furniture/cabinet work anyway).

Spray it on?

Better to use a sealer suited for the wood species and if you want some color in the stock put a dye in the finish before applying it...

Arrrrrghhhhh....

Mineral spirits
Made it more blonde.

Gonna put a light coat of stain to it again.
Set for 2 or 3 mins max.
See if I can blend it somewhat while wiping dry a little better this time.

Where is that punching self in the balls emoji..

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Thats what this min wax pre stain crap said on the label.
Birch and maple.

Arrrrrgh.....

Can't find the pics right now, but, I un-blotched a birch stock by dobbing and rubbing a black airbrush one-part hobby paint on it with a cloth. More of a dye, I suppose. Made it a uniform look, at least, and it was deemed satisfactory.

It's been reported that a talented airbrush operator can paint walnut looking grain... A few Kimber of Oregon stocks are known to have some fairly minor blank areas "decorated" in such a way.

Try Shou-sugi-ban.

If this schit dont work out to my eye when I hit the tru oil to it intially tommorow and see what it will look like wet which will be a pretty good idea of when done and "dry" a week or 2 from now.

I'm gonna tape off the checkering leave it tru oil sealed.

And tooth brush whack a mole spray paint it .
I know that works and this is just birch anyways.
Live with that for Dove season.

While I track down a Black walnut stock after deer season in january

You do nice work Rory.

Wtf Wabi.🥴🥴🥴🥴

It is a fughing abortion dude....

Look at this
Blonde with blotches after the mineral spirits fisaco..



Gotta hit the stain again.....

Use a wood conditioner, oil based for oil stains, water based for water stains.

"If at first, you don't succeed, try, try again."

That was the original plan in my mind.
Posted about it
Watched alot of vids about it.
Protecting the checkering was a concern.

I abandoned the idea.

I should have tried maybe some maluminum foil as some sort of heat sheild for it....

I got this stock mocked up to the metal and a limbsaver pad nicely now.
Cant really do much more to dimensions.


Insert punching self in nut sack emoji.......🥴🥴🥴🥴

The checkerd part looks good,,,,

Sorry jk

You remember my 3 crash and burn spray paint attempts on the plastic mossberg stock.

And then attempt # 4 toothbrush whack a mole I dreamed up.

Whack a mole came out 👍👍👍👍

Probably the route I will have to go.

It does....
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A gel stain will help some too but a wood conditioner will be most helpful. Keep in mind if you use a wood conditioner the stain will be lighter than normal, try it on a peice of scrap to figure out the darkness of stain you want.

I'm with a few others that said dye it first.

I gave up trying to make cheap wood look expensive. I don't have the skill or patience

Behlen makes spray lacquer with dye in it, there's quite a palet of colors to choose from. Visit your local woodworker's supply store for a good selection of Behlen products.

Jell stain paint it on the way u like then let DRY.

I would rub some linseed oil on dem der chunks o wood.

Krylon

See how this last stain looks.
Used a smaller brush
Put a really light coat on and stayed off the checkering.
Then brush stroked it tacky.
Im gonna let it dry then buff off what ever excess .
Might even try dry brushing it off before using denim on it.

If it comes out somewhat even( hoping)
I might ditch tru oil and go with a spray on spar urethane.
If i hit it with tru oil it is gonna lift the stain and streak and smudge.

Just spray the fugger x3 or 4 get it sealed up , and roll with it for dove and hunt down a black walnut stock set on flea bay after deer seson...


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It is a option dude....
Whack a mole tooth brush speckled look...

Gonna go see wtf out in the garage....

Look familiar? Krylon can fix it.

Back to winchester blotch cover up red brown.
What it looked like before I buffed it out in 1st pic on thread.
Dry brushed and very light buff with a rayon rag.
Denim is too aggressive

Spray on spar urethane gonna have ta do for dove seasons 3 or 4 days.


Black walnut stock for a 1400, 1400 mkII,1500, 140, 140 ranger in january in its future.

This is what happens to em after 1 month of not stealing...
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Another vote for Krylon (or Rustoleum.)

There are a million M-1 Garand stocks out there that look just like that. Your stock is in good company.

kwg

More advice for you...

This a Remington 721 transplanted into a Remington 78 birch stock. Once the dark Remington stain was removed, I rubbed 6 coats of Watco Danish Oil into the stock with 600 grit paper. It brought out the tiger striping quite well.

I told you it isn't worth putting a lot of time into a birch stock.

Yep.
Fugging blotches.......

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Oh well....

Black walnut in Jan.

Wood grain hydrodip pattern.
Invented by some dude that had to redo a birch stock

you're spotting Rene...
but you are not a wood elitist....
I pick up a lot of good ideas from your refinishing threads...

I like that 3584ELK...

Good gawd is that a TV with a built-in VHS?

That is pretty funny.
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Yes
All 3 daughters had one .

This was my oldest daughters when she was 9 or 10
Probably circa 03 04 ish.
No need to get rid of it.

Middle and youngest daughter,s upstairs.
100% operational
Unused for years.

Khan/ wife and youngest got their what the fugg ever 36 inch they watch upstairs.





Got 2 in reserve no need to toss em
Gtg till whenever....

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That looks good man!!!

I think it is more likely a case of Vitiligo in her case.
Not sure what it might be called on a gun stock. It will be interesting to see how you get it mellowed out. As said above this is why I too avoid birch, maple, and cherry woods for projects.

Osky

Burn it with used motor oil.

I had a birch stock and my experience was very similar to yours. I burned it with a torch and then finished it. Looked like it had been burned with a torch.

Goodness sakes make sure to get video!

It does!

Today will be spray on spar urethane day.
Dont wanna rub in any finish on top of this stain or else it lift and smear no matter how well it appears to have set up in the wood.

Seal it all up 1 or 2 light coats.
Let it dry "hard" over night.
Some very light 600 sanding tomorow and advoid checkering
Light clean with damp rag.

Then tape up the checkering.
Put maybe 2 to 3 light coats on it.

And call a "improved" factory finish.
Bout the best I can go for.......

Oh well trial and error.
Not afraid to share the process of it all.
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I wont never work with birch or maple again thats for sure.
PITA........

Wood conditioner will help with your problem.

Good thing you spot tested first. Oh wait.....

This is the method Remington used to deal with the issue. Just use the Behlen product on & be done with it!

Don't stain it, never works. Polyurethane it then use a toner.

Ren: man, WTH?

Peanut gallery: Solutions 1, 2, and 3 offered.

Ren: man, I tried solutions 7, 23, and 16 today.

Peanut gallery: Uh, solutions 1, 2, or 3 will help.

Ren: tomorrow I will try solutions 4, 9, and 11.

Peanut gallery: 1, 2, 3.

Ren: man, WTH?

Preparations A thru G failed

Wellll.....

All I can say is.........



























Wait for it...













































Waaaaaaaait for it....










































"Pics or it never happened"

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Is that what Remington used to give the laminate look to the 870 Express?

That looks great

There’s a Barney The Dinosaur tape stuck in that slot.

Preparation H should work.

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Ahhh varying wood density and varying grain exposure might play a part ya think!!!!

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On birch stocks, I have had great success using Rit clothes die. wipe it on until you get the look you want,let dry, then use a clear coat over it. Gloss, or semi gloss. I guess its more like painting instead of staining.

It'll actually be alright when he puts some finish on it. Danish oil offers little to no protection from the elements.

Shrek for my oldest.. Over and over and over again.

Do what pro painters do, use this pre stain:

https://www.dalyswoodfinishes.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1

The intent was not to cover up grain for a uniform appearance.
But to try and stain the thing .
Think I said that a few times
Think I memtioned i hate working with maple and birch.
Think I said it will do for 3 or 4 days of dove hunting
Think I said i will be hunting down a black walnut stock after deer season


And yes I know factories use a spray on coating to make all tones the same appearing for their mismatched cheap wood to the customer.
Just like this one was from the factory.
Winchester red brown complete covered.

Think I said something similar addressing many of these post back on this thread.


Next ......

LOL!!!

feel like f u c king fozzy bear getting rode by the 2 old guys on the muppet show.






Just like when a bunch where hounding me on my spray paint stock project.
3 fails.
Posted em up.
Not embarrased or ashamed or fearful of comments.

Then came up with the toothbrush whack a mole speckled on #4.











All pics or it never happened.........


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Dumb and dumber for my youngest.
Ren and Stimpy for oldest
Middle daughter was more of a reader than her 2 sisters
Kim possible for her.


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I have a Husqvarna that came with a bright, shiny finish with a color I described as 'monkey schmidt yellow'. Lordy, I tried to live with that finish but just gagged every time I took it hunting. When I couldn't stand it any longer, I tried to strip the lacquer off but it resisted everything I put on it. So, I gave it to a friend to refinish. He got the factory finish off (which was a funny story by itself), and then put the reddish M1 Garand oil on it. It won't compare to walnut in any way, but at least it doesn't make me want to heave when I look at it now....

Some good advice is being given by guys.
And I aporeciate it.
Aint no getting this stain out of this birch.
They parts have been sanded for all sharp angle rounded and smoothed over.
Its has been fitted for the linbsaver pad.
And all has been mocked up in the white.
Some of you have seen the prior threads covering that work.


But for some of the others.......



How many of ya "experts" ever deal with a stock like this and make post on here trail and error wise till you found what would work?
Let alone posted any pics about work ya done...

Before.....



After 3 fails.....


Some of you know it alls just sniping at me on here for a feel good factor.
Please tell me how I got this Red glue and birch laminate stock to finally take and hold a f u c king stain and a finish.....

Oh name that f u c k ing wpn also.
None that veiwed the threads several yrs ago can participate in that Question👍👍👍😁😁😄😄😄

Pics or it never happened...........

That looks good man.
Did he use glass to shave off the finish or something else mechanical
How did he do the checkering?

Hakim ?

My oldest was all about Thomas the Train when he was 4-5 yrs old. It was brutal! Then he got into Sponge Bob. Good times watching Sponge Bob with my son.

Hahaha!!!


Ren and Stimpy with my oldest daughter was good times.


Dumb and dumber with youngest ..
Constantly..
OMG....

Nope.

It came here from Italy though.

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Dumb and Dumber was a great one. Lots of lol scenes but my favorite was the news crew interviewing the blind kid sold the parakeet with its head taped back on😂

Pretty bird.....
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Beav with da assist!!!

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The only time this happened to me I had to scrape the finish and a layer of wood off to get down to bare wood. Easiest way to get it off without changing all the lines completely was to use a cabinet scraper and scrape a very thin layer off at a time until the blotchiness was gone. Took a while and had to reshape parts of the stock to accomodate the changes but it came out okay in the end. You can them put a layer or two of shellac on the wood to seal, then cover with a toned lacquer or polyurethane for the color you want...

For next time, of course... after you've lived with this one for dove season and learn to hate it every time you take it out.....

Lol!!!

You nailed it.

Black walnut is in the guns future in January.

Pretty good education here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjwgaADLr9w

$200 Mossberg + $150 black walnut stock = $350 Wingmaster you should have got in the first place....😜

Or, $400 + $150 = $550 Rem 1100. Anyway, good luck.

I’ve heard of a few folks staining with shoe polish, then putting tru-oil over it. Woulda thought the wax in the shoe polish might cause an issue, but apparently not. May try it some day, just to see if the shoe polish stains more “evenly”...

Not a remington fan.😁😁😁

Seen some dye vids
Have read about shoe polish

This is a birch stock project I was well aware of the issues that might come up based on the past.
Trial and error.
It wil due.
It will probably turn out fairly acceptable when I get it done.
And a black walnut stock will be shaped and modified for it down the line.
Just like the 1400 MK II project I put on here several yrs ago.

This was basically a unfired pristine win 140 ranger I bought in a parking lot deal for 250. I posted about it when I scored it.
Have always looked for one for a long time that was in exc condition.
None have ever measured up.
Wanted one bad as a teenager didnt have the coin.
I like the plain utilitarian look alot.

I have put one box of shells thru it.
Loading and firing fast as I can.
Swapped out the fixed mod barrel one day when I came across one at a LGS I have a good relationship with .
Badically barrel for barrel and 20 bucks.

The gun was purchased with 9mm Endowment Foundation money
Along with many others this summer.
That game petered out about mid june.
Spent my remaining funds and got the ZPAP .
Not bad for a intial 150 to 200 bucks of my own.
9mm Endowment Foundation compunding rapidly equaled huge profits and at my selling price of 25 bucks a box versus my buying price of 16 to 17 a box.
Buying power for me would always compound and profit would correspond.


The Lebanon gun show tommorow might have a stock set among a few other things Im looking for.

Where did you come up with those prices on guns from in this day and age ????
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Surprised no one has mentioned this. Perhaps they did and I missed it. The OIT (old Indian trick) for staining birch and other similar woods is to use leather dye. Start as light as you can as a test….if you don’t like it, use the next shade darker, etc.

Works like a champ.

I have a Ranger 140 as well. I bought it in 1983 and still have it. It has an ugly yellow green stock as well. I believe I will learn to live with that color as I only have about 20 years left anyway. I won't have enough time left to get used to the blotchy mess you inherited. Thanks for taking us along.

kwg

Ohhhh.

That is a Walther AC code may 44 production G43.
Has anybody stained and finished a nazi red glue and laminate birch stock on here?????

Suggestions needed!!!

Just being an azz guys....😁😁😁

I bought a factory color coated spray on blotchy mess.

This is my stained version of it now..😁😁😁
LOL!!!
Actually it has grain and highlights now compared to the factory job.
See how it turns out with a semi gloss finish..

I can struggle to make do with it till a Black walnut stock is obtained.

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He was having no luck with various paint removers the same as me and I had tried 3 different brands. Got pizzed of and mixed up a concoction of three different strong chemicals (he owns a cleaning service and has access to a lot of stuff) and painted it on the stock, then hung it from a hook in the ceiling of his shop. A few minutes later his dad said "You better catch that"! When he looked over, the finish was sliding down the stock in one piece! He grabbed a rag and held it under the stock and the finish folded itself onto the rag as it slid off. After that he just hit it with some paint remover to get the residue off, using a tooth brush on the checkering. Then put the oil they used on M1s for a finish. I'm tickled that he managed it because the rifle is super accurate, light (see scale in pic), and has one of the slickest actions I've ever worked. Don't know if I could have kept it much longer with that ugly factory finish though.

He and his dad still talk about the original finish sliding off looking liike an empty shell of the stock. He would never tell mell what chemicals he mixed up to get it off

Gawd.....
I have heard nightmares about Browning Finishes also.

Last week slumlord broke out his 2 wally world brickseek weatherby,s ( Japanese Sako,s basically)in .243 and .308
Accurate as hell.
The factory finish on those black walnut stocks looked pretty nuclear bomb proof....

Had a Mark X Mauser in the early 80's with wood that looks R50's shotgun.

Messed around with it off and on for a couple years (had no clue about anything much less stock finishing) finally hung it up with some all thread and took pops rosebud torch to it. Can't remember what paper I used after the fire but got it smooth again and smeared some sort of furniture finish on it. It looked so much better my hunting buddy thought I'd traded it for another one.

I do remember cleaning what passed for checkering up with a homemade tool. I'm sure that was a bubba mess.

Like R50, trial and error is my teacher along with the innanet now.

Wish I'd kept the Mauser, it shot very well. Had to go to fund IPSC stuff.

Remington mohawk stock with Ritz dye

Hook I have used a weird mixture of Hydrogen peroxide and cleaning ammonia that kills lots of stuff. And the user if you mix it with the wrong thing. But that has cut a lot of things for me. No guarantee it would do anything on that old plastic stock finish. That is a more than tolerable finish you have there. This stock Renegade 50 is doing is good that it is a temp. But I would be challenged, at this point, to install the walnut this winter then hit the old thing again. Be Well, RZ.

I have used AquaFortis on maple, birch, and beech. It does the job.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/392/1/AQUAFORT-2

What you need is wood conditioner to freshen up the look while preserving original finish. The product shown below works on traditional oil finished stocks but not on modern shiny weather resistant finishes. There are several shades to be matched to color on stock. In this case light would work out.......