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Have you been vaccinated for C19?

Posted By: SamOlson

Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.





I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope. I’m 61.
Posted By: Mikewriter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, both shots. I am 70, my wife, 64, is also fully vaccinated.

Mike Holmes
Posted By: cowdoc

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes 65
Posted By: SandBilly

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

None in this family-47
Posted By: JohnnyLoco

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I had 1 J&J, 1 phiezer, 1 moderna.
Posted By: Deans

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope. Had Covid 70 wife 58

But considering getting.
Posted By: 673

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

58...nope.
Posted By: IZH27

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 55
Posted By: mbhunt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No. 62
Posted By: Hunterapp

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

56 & YES
Posted By: Higginez

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I'm proudly TransVax.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope, I'm in your age bracket. Wife is same, and my kids are older teens. Nobody in my house has or will. My mom did, she's little younger than your dad. I counseled against it, but she figured she's old enough any long term effects won't matter much.
Posted By: SamOlson

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

And thanks for posting, I find this somewhat interesting.


Should add that I'm basically uninformed about the side effects but my wife has become literally obsessed with 'researching'.

She is adamantly against it. Asked her why not and she came up with some crazy chit that i thought might be bogus.

But hell if I know.
Posted By: SuperCub

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes (1st shot only) 61
Posted By: mtnsnake

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 64 no for wife 63.
Posted By: hunter4623

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Hell no. 47
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I had 4 shots










of Jack Black
Posted By: Torqued

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No sir. 54
Posted By: 3584ELK

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

EFFF NO!
Posted By: efw

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

46 no

Wife is 46 and she hasn’t had the jab either

COVID went through our family around Thanksgiving last year and for me it was barely a blip on the screen… I’d have kept coming to work were it not for the hype. My wife was knocked on her ass for a couple weeks like a severe flu.

Got it from a buddy at deer camp. Wife was a little irritated but got over it.

Kids… son 18, another 15, and daughter 13 had aches and loss of taste, alight coldish, and very very slight coldish symptoms, respectively.

18 yo is headed to university here in a couple weeks and has been saying he may get I ton just to not have to wear a mask and be subject to whatever inconveniences they’ll use to motivate the kids to get it.
Posted By: Whelenman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

71 and yes both jabs.
Posted By: howard1

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

YES 69
Posted By: Nebraska

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes. Shot #1 with zero side effects.
Posted By: MickeyD

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Not only NO....but hell NO! Age 70
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.





I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?



No, 70 and I'm not going to take it either
Posted By: WhiteFawn

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 68 The wife yes 64 she's heavily compromised with stage 4 cancer.
Posted By: m1rifleman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

no 74
Posted By: Colorado1135

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, 42
Posted By: Potsy

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yep. 48.
2 Pfizer’s right in the arm.
Thus far, have lived to tell the tale.....
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Hell no. I'm roughly chlinstructor's age.
Posted By: irfubar

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Hell no 59 same for wifey
Posted By: stxhunter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, 58
Posted By: exbiologist

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, age 41
Posted By: jackmountain

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Hell no for me, wife and son. 49, 48 and 15. Daughter, 20 didn’t want to, but decided it was a necessary evil to complete her research project this summer and complete her next two years of education. Hated it for her.

Actually surprised how many +70’s are refusing it, and at the few younger guys that took it.
Posted By: jackmountain

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by stxhunter
No, 58


With your tales, COVID would be the last thing to ever be able to kill you.
Posted By: dale06

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, age 70 J&J
Posted By: Mac84

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No. 51 But I’m still recovering from my initial bout back in March

Wife and 4 kids got the jabs
Posted By: Whiptail

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21


Yes(J&J) 50
Posted By: viking

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope. 52
Posted By: 79S

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No late forties
Posted By: ldholton

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope late 50"s
Posted By: Dave_Skinner

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 61, first chance I got, J and J one and done. No sides. Tested positive last October, asymptomatic, but dad died (he infected me).

I'm okay with others not jabbing, but the truth remains that even "mild" COVID does damage. I think it makes more sense to jab than not, covidiocy on both sides notwithstanding.
Posted By: 10gaugemag

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Get my first poke of Pfizer on Friday.

45.
Posted By: Gypsy_Wind

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

44 & no.
Posted By: czech1022

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, NEVER, for my wife and I, we are both approaching 70.

We've both had Covid and now have natural immunity. We take care of ourselves and keep our immune system strong.
Posted By: MARCEL

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope 40s
Posted By: Springcove

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Have had Covid and lived through it. Nope
Posted By: Jim_Knight

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I'm immunized with the PS91 vaccine. smile
Posted By: rc82bttb

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

nope, 39 I've had to china flu already
Posted By: bubbajay

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me 44 yes, wife also 44 and yes. She has been in the hospital rooms of COVID patients. It convinced me.
Posted By: DryPowder

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No. 50

I don't plan on taking it either. If I was doing to take it, I would get in a clinical trial. If they are going to experiment on me, I'm going to get a check.
Posted By: DANNYL

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes 58 wife yes 58 both pokes in April, phiser or however it's spelt.
Posted By: fshaw

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me yes at 64 and very healthy, wife yes 62 and same.
Posted By: Ray_Herbert

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 58 Moderna in March, both shots. Only side effect was a sore arm.
Posted By: Dale K

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Age 60 and another one that is naturally vaccinated (ie, I had covid) so the jury is still out whether I get a shot or not.

Both parents (age 89) got vaccinated. Mom had a little soreness from the second shot, no other effects.

Dale
Posted By: kaywoodie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Myself No , 65

Wife, no 69
Posted By: VaHunter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes 70, wife Yes 77
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
Yes, 61, first chance I got, J and J one and done. No sides. Tested positive last October, asymptomatic, but dad died (he infected me).

I'm okay with others not jabbing, but the truth remains that even "mild" COVID does damage. I think it makes more sense to jab than not, covidiocy on both sides notwithstanding.


I have several here I my area that were vaccinated with both shots and still catch Covid-19. No one knows what the long term effects are with this vaccine
Posted By: lundtroller

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Late 50's. Healthcare provider, high risk category as well. Moderna vaccineX2, no issues.

I can be exposed to emergency patients coming to the OR, AND I have taken enough people to the OR for tracheostomies for pulmonary complications from long term ventilator care that I decided some time ago that I would gladly take my chances with the vaccine vs a pistol for some of the other things I have seen.

The world is a much better place with vaccines than without them, even though they are not perfect. Big business and politicians are the bigger problem I believe.
Posted By: Pappy348

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yup for me and the wife. I’m 69 and she’s 54. We’re also taking the recommended vitamins and staying the Hell away from people for the most part, which has been Plan A right along.
Posted By: SandBilly

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I don’t know what to tell you on your pops, Sam. Tough call if I were in your shoes but my parents are 65 and 67 and chose not to. Moms also a diabetic.
Posted By: 12344mag

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, 58 it hasn't been proven safe yet, if and when it is I would consider it.
Posted By: Dutch

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

56, no.

Had it, Two days off work. No “long COVID”, just a week or two of less stamina. Can’t see a medical reason to take a vaccine for a bug I’ve already had and only gives me mild symptoms. So I got the shingles vaccine, instead. Which made me pretty sick for a day. No good deed goes unpunished.....
Posted By: SamOlson

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

SB, my mom got vaxxed.

Dad and I are like most of you guys...

But damnit anyway I just don't know what to think about this chit.
Posted By: SandBilly

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
SB, my mom got it.

Dad and are like most of you guys...

But damnit anyway I just don't know what to think about this chit.
pops are pops. Mines the same way, just gonna ride it out.
Posted By: tmitch

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yep,. 67 Moderna, No issues or covid
Posted By: ro1459

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 72, Moderna, I got very sick after second shot. Very sick.
Posted By: JMUPT

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 42
Posted By: add

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Foock no.

86 next Spring!
Posted By: lvmiker

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
SB, my mom got vaxxed.

Dad and are like most of you guys...

But damnit anyway I just don't know what to think about this chit.



Sam, nor does anyone else. Your isolation is probably the best protection but there are no valid stats for either course of action.

To answer your question, yes, age 74. No side effects from it or the dozens of other vacs I have received from the army and as a requirement to travel to multiple 3rd world schidtholes.

I will now yield to the multitude of virologists and epidemiologists on the CFgrin


mike r
Posted By: AKCHOPPER

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 58
Posted By: MarkWV

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, wife or I, 58.
Posted By: SandBilly

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by add
Foock no.

86 next Spring!



Lol. 86 huh? 😆
Posted By: hunter4623

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Get a tube of ivermectin. Use it prophylactically or if he starts to feel sick, dose him up. Sure as hell can’t hurt.
Posted By: Ray_Herbert

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I remember the line of us in boot camp and air injectors going into both arms getting shot full of God knows what. Anthrax vaccine too.

As with most military guys, I got more vaccines than Carter has pills.
Posted By: BC30cal

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Evening Sam;

Yes - I'll be 59 shortly.

Dwayne
Posted By: crittrgittr

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

53 and no wifey 60 and no
Posted By: add

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by SamOlson

But damnit anyway I just don't know what to think about this chit.

Sam, nor does anyone else.

mike r



Yeah, not sure what to make of a situation but bring on another unknown variable in the form of the jab....

Makes sense.
Posted By: keystoneben

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
And thanks for posting, I find this somewhat interesting.


Should add that I'm basically uninformed about the side effects but my wife has become literally obsessed with 'researching'.

She is adamantly against it. Asked her why not and she came up with some crazy chit that i thought might be bogus.

But hell if I know.


The wife and I are 34.

Basically sums it up exactly here.

I never had a flu shot. So I could care less.

My parents both got it.

My brother (33) got it pretty early. His wife works in a nursing home. So they recommended spouses get it. He figures we believe in vaccinating our cattle so he might aswell
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

38, no.

Neither of my parents.....they are 75.

Wife has not and wont.


I probably would if my folks wanted it....but they will never get it.
Posted By: fishnpbr

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

yes, age 62. I got covid in March of 2020. I was nearly hospitalized and missed over 2 months of work. I believe what helped me was a high level of physical fitness and good dietary habits. For months afterward I was adamant I would not get the vaccine. I did ultimately get the Pfizer vaccine. I work in a hospital and it was announced today that it will soon become mandatory for all employees.
Posted By: Riverc

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 60 Wife No 59
Posted By: Squidge

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, both my my wife and I. Mid 50's
Posted By: renegade50

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No....
58
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, 60
Wife No, 57
Posted By: pahick

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 50
Posted By: add

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by fishnpbr
yes, age 62. I got covid in March of 2020. I was nearly hospitalized and missed over 2 months of work. I believe what helped me was a high level of physical fitness and good dietary habits. For months afterward I was adamant I would not get the vaccine. I did ultimately get the Pfizer vaccine. I work in a hospital and it was announced today that it will soon become mandatory for all employees.

You had the 'vid....



...and still submitted to the jab after getting over the seasonal flu?
Posted By: mauserand9mm

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, will give it a while to see how things pan out before considering getting it. Only for the last few years have I been getting the flu jab - wanted to make sure that was a low risk too.
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

52. Recently decided to. Fizzzer, jab one done. It's the only one I considered.

Came down to hearing real doctors refering to only those without it becoming seriously ill, and there's "outbreaks" in areas I travel. Exposure to hords of heathens. So, I rolled the dice. A serious illness, even without dying, would really mess things up for us currently. YRMV
Posted By: Steve

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes. 61. Moderna
Posted By: TrueGrit

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No one in my family has had the covid-19 flu shot, it's not even close to a vaccine. My Dad is 94 and I'm 63 and have COPD. I trust my immune system and not really worried about catching a cold or being one of the less than 1% percenters who die from the China flu hoax. Common sense isn't very common anymore.
Posted By: Mr_Harry

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
And thanks for posting, I find this somewhat interesting.


Should add that I'm basically uninformed about the side effects but my wife has become literally obsessed with 'researching'.

She is adamantly against it. Asked her why not and she came up with some crazy chit that i thought might be bogus.

But hell if I know.

50: No. and same about my daughter’s mother. Batshit crazy about anti-vac. My daughter, 7 in November, is completely unvaccinated for anything anyway. I don’t really have any skin in the game one way or the other, but my daughter is really healthy and above her grade level in schooling. So I don’t try to swim against the current. No plansfor getting the Covid shot.
Posted By: slumlord

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes.

I got mine in Jan/Feb.

Was directed by Mayo Clinic as part of my organ transplant listing.

I just told the proctors and other line workers I was retarded and I got to lumped in with all the 70-80 yr olds.

Only side effect, it added 2” to my choad


No one else in my fambly has taken this. And we have a mix of college students, medical people, oldsters and daddy has The Beetus.
Posted By: Morewood

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 62, Wife yes 65. SHE Has an in-home care business with elderly clients, and felt it best .

My parents in their mid 80's both got the shot.

None of my adult kids nor their young families are getting an experimental "vaccine".

Posted By: geedubya

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Be 70 in December.

No, never.

Did find out about an hour ago that I had been directly exposed earlier today.

Will see!

ya!

GWB

PS: From the reading and studying I've done, this video expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4


PPS: He who controls the language, controls the debate. I refuse to call it a vaccine. It is not. I prefer to call it a jab, as not being a vaccine, it can't be a vaccination.
Posted By: GeorgeLa

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

64 nope wife is 69 and nope, too.
Posted By: Lonny

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yep, age 53. Wife same, same. Shot in April.
Posted By: Valsdad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes.

Medicare age + a couple years.

Wife also yes.

Both of us 2x Moderna.

Figured at my age I'd be part of the long term study, a Guinea WOP guinea pig so to speak.

Also had 2 stents put in a very blocked (in two places, 99% & 90%) coronary artery in Dec, no major signs of anything wrong, just a bit of angina when walking the dogs. So I could have croaked at any time. Figure I don't want to get really sick with those issues, and if this Moderna stuff makes my willie fall off and I get the creeping crud, the rest of you non-vaxxers will be able to use me as a data point for your choice.

[bleep] dying. I just don't want to get really sick, ever. I got other scheidt to do.

No guarantees in life for anything. So make your choice and live with it, like so many other things.
Posted By: papat

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

66 no. Zinc and vitamin D are my friends
Posted By: TNrifleman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes. 68
Posted By: plainsman456

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Sam both me and the wife had the plague last year and will not be getting the shot.

She is 68 and i am 65.
Posted By: leemar28

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No , 63
Posted By: bruinruin

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope, 52
Posted By: goalie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.





I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?


51, no

At 72, why not? It is effective. I know I would of I was maybe 80ish.....
Posted By: goalie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by plainsman456
Sam both me and the wife had the plague last year and will not be getting the shot.

She is 68 and i am 65.

When people ask, point out the Cleveland Clinic told you not to.
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by geedubya
Be 70 in December.

No, never.

Did find out about an hour ago that I had been directly exposed earlier today.

Will see!

ya!

GWB

PS: From the reading and studying I've done, this video expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4


PPS: He who controls the language, controls the debate. I refuse to call it a vaccine. It is not. I prefer to call it a jab, as not being a vaccine, it can't be a vaccination.


Outstanding GW. Thanks for the link. That expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen as well.
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by SamOlson
A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.





I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?


51, no

At 72, why not? It is effective. I know I would of I was maybe 80ish.....


Yep, 39% effective. How effective at fuggin someone up? We will soon find out.

WTF do you think it means when Schumer and other Ds in govt have had the jab and still wear the mask?
Posted By: EthanEdwards

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No. 59. Wife is 58, no for her too. Son is sixteen, no. Daughter is 20. No for her too. Parents are dead. Wife's parents asked her if they should get it and she told them no. They both got it.
Posted By: goalie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by SamOlson
A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.





I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?


51, no

At 72, why not? It is effective. I know I would of I was maybe 80ish.....


Yep, 39% effective. How effective at fuggin someone up? We will soon find out.


If I'm 80 I wouldn't care about "long term"

😉

FWIW, I don't get exposed anymore, but when I was dealing with lots of ICU patients with the WuFlu I didn't get it.
Posted By: MadMooner

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I’m within a couple years of ya, Sammo. No shot for me, my wife, or two boys (4 and 7).
I’m not super against it. If I had a trip planed that required it, I’d get it.

My dad is 87, mom 76. Both got vacc’d and I’m happy they did. No side effects. Yet, anyway!

Good friends father (mid70’s) got it and had massive clotting issues. The fact is he has a condition that has always made blood clots an issue.
It was bad enough he was hospitalized for several months and is pretty fubar at this point.

Was it the vaccine? I dunno. I doubt it helped.
Would he of survived a severe respiratory infection?

If I was older or concerned, I’d take the shots. Fact is I’m not overly concerned about the Wu-Flu or the vaccine.
Posted By: gbear

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No for me and wifey, both 56
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

You're pretty smart, Goalie
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by MadMooner
I’m within a couple years of ya, Sammo. No shot for me, my wife, or two boys (4 and 7).
I’m not super against it. If I had a trip planed that required it, I’d get it.

My dad is 87, mom 76. Both got vacc’d and I’m happy they did. No side effects. Yet, anyway!

Good friends father (mid70’s) got it and had massive clotting issues. The fact is he has a condition that has always made blood clots an issue.
It was bad enough he was hospitalized for several months and is pretty fubar at this point.

Was it the vaccine? I dunno. I doubt it helped.
Would he of survived a severe respiratory infection?


Yes, with Hydroxychloroquine and Budesonideworks.com.
Posted By: chas05

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 59
Posted By: wabigoon

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, 77.
Posted By: TLB2

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No jab for me 45 . Fairly sure I had cv19 before they were testing for it. Been around work 15 cases among other workers. one is in ICU now in his late 30s
Posted By: 1OntarioJim

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

yes, the wife and I are both mid 80's. Both daughters (mid 50's and mid 60's) have had both. Other than a bit of sore arm for a day or so after the second shot no problems.

Jim
Posted By: erikj

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Still non gmo
Posted By: UNCCGrad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No for me (42) nor the wife (36). My mom (74) got the vaccine as did the wife’s parents in their mid 60s. Not worth the unknown risks for me to take it for something 99.7% survivable. Wife and I are state employees so Gov Cooper better not declare us to have mandatory vaccinations 🤬
Posted By: geedubya

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by geedubya
Be 70 in December.

No, never.

Did find out about an hour ago that I had been directly exposed earlier today.

Will see!

ya!

GWB

PS: From the reading and studying I've done, this video expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4


PPS: He who controls the language, controls the debate. I refuse to call it a vaccine. It is not. I prefer to call it a jab, as not being a vaccine, it can't be a vaccination.


Outstanding GW. Thanks for the link. That expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen as well.


JG,

Walter banned me permanently off AR due the link I posted in the Crater asking "Does the State Have an Interest in promoting Chaos?"

Yup! Said I was dangerous!

TFF,

GWB
Posted By: Scotty

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

62, yes, still alive.
Posted By: SLM

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other if a person decides to get the shot, but this is one of dumbest things I’ve read in a long time and that’s saying something here on the fire.

I’ve been in a bunch of burning structures and I’ve never seared my lungs.!!

Originally Posted by goalie
FWIW, I don't get exposed anymore, but when I was dealing with lots of ICU patients with the WuFlu I didn't get it.
Posted By: xtriangle

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

YES 64 My wife 60 yes both our daughter 35 and 33. Moderna .
SIL's mother caught it and spent 3 months in ICU and is still not healthy.................
Posted By: SCgman1

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

65......yes, both phizers, only did it cuz I'm a govt employee and figured the mandates were coming......my doc was all for it.
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SLM
It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other if a person decides to get the shot, but this is one of dumbest things I’ve read in a long time and that’s saying something here on the fire.

I’ve been in a bunch of burning structures and I’ve never seared my lungs.!!

Originally Posted by goalie
FWIW, I don't get exposed anymore, but when I was dealing with lots of ICU patients with the WuFlu I didn't get it.


Years ago on a crew we had a guy that was immune to heatstroke as he'd been out in the sun plenty of times without issue.
Posted By: Old_Toot

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No

Old enough to know better.
Posted By: Longbob

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

1 Janssen in March for me and finished the 2nd Pfizer shot on Monday. 56 years old
Both Pfizer shots for wife in March and 1 Janssen mid July for wife. 49 years old
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Hell no. I'm roughly chlinstructor's age.


Damn! Your OLD !!! 😜
Posted By: lastround

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21


Yes, 77
Posted By: WMR

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by plainsman456
Sam both me and the wife had the plague last year and will not be getting the shot.

She is 68 and i am 65.

When people ask, point out the Cleveland Clinic told you not to.


I believe you are mistaken. The Cleveland Clinic’s latest recommendation (that I’ve seen) still advises all eligible people to get the vaccine. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Posted By: blanket

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No wife and I in our sixties
Posted By: Huntz

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No-77
Posted By: Kenlguy

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Not until I get an antibody test first.
I'm 64 she's 60
Posted By: Farming

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me 56 no, wife 57 no, daughter 29 teacher no, daughter 28 boyfriends dad had pancreatic cancer she got shot for his sake, son 24 had Covid while in the service opted not to get shot after having COVID. I’m in the camp of, it’s a statistical equation. For some it makes sense and for some it doesn’t.
Posted By: EdM

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Age 60 come December and yes.
Posted By: JefeMojado

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 67
Posted By: WYcoyote

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

The wife and I were somewhat against the shot till her work offered $500 and 8 hours of PTO to get it.

Was a nothing burger for her, so a week ago I got mine.

We got the J&J, I'm age 64.
Posted By: Hammerdown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, I'm 64
Posted By: chesterwy

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

38. Waiting on full FDA approval before I get it. Wife, 35 got the Red Death back in early June she’s still having problems.
Posted By: AKduck

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

36 and no. Wife 33 and also no.
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No - 46

Wife also No.

Posted By: Cariboujack

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No I'm 70
Posted By: gregintenn

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

48, negative
Posted By: miguel

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

52 and no way. The wife is 50 and works in health care, they strongly suggested she get it and she did. I wasn’t too happy about that.
The overwhelming push to force people to get a vaccine for a disease that has a very low lethality rate, coming from a government and propaganda ministry that I do not trust in the least, makes me want to say Hell NO!!
Posted By: SamOlson

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Thank you all for posting!

Responses were about what I had anticipated.


I'm still clear as mud figuring this out...lol
(for old timers)
Posted By: TrueGrit

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
Thank you all for posting!

Responses were about what I had anticipated.


I'm still clear as mud figuring this out...lol
(for old timers)

If your Dad is worried about getting sick or dieing from Covid-19 he probably should get the shot. From what I can gather working or being an outside person seems to help your immune system fight off Covid-19.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I am your age and not gotten it. I'm around COVID more than 99% of the people you will ever meet or converse with.

My parents are in their 70's, travel often, and have not gotten it. Nor would I ever advise them to do so.
Posted By: Whttail_in_MT

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by deflave
I am your age and not gotten it. I'm around COVID more than 99% of the people you will ever meet or converse with.

How is that, being Mr. Mom and all?
Posted By: cfran

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Slightly older than you as is wife, we will not get it. I know lots of people including us who have had it, for most, and us, it’s like getting the flu.

This pandemic is a good lesson in how .gov and the media push an agenda that is completely overrated and unwarranted. Pathetic.
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
I am your age and not gotten it. I'm around COVID more than 99% of the people you will ever meet or converse with.

How is that, being Mr. Mom and all?

He explains elsewhere. Panhandling from veterans at Lowe's or something.
Posted By: rong

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

56 and no.Had Wuflu back in May,was not fun.

I honestly don't understand any of this though,There's a big push again now for vax,but also now if you were vaccinated you have to wear a mask again ???
Posted By: woodson

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

40 and yes. Wife 41 and yes.
Posted By: AML

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

62. Vaccinated in January. Wife is too.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

69 this August 5th, no. Have Ivermectin on hand and take 1000mg Vitamin C, and 25 mg of D3 every day. My wife is scared to prescribe Ivermectin to her patients even though she believes it works. Not an approved treatment. We have a 76 year old friend whose doctor prescribed it for her to take with her on a trip to Honduras. Told her to take a dose on departure and take some while there. Told her that even though it was effective against CV-19 he could not advise her to use it for that purpose.
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Just turned 67. Out in a heavily populated area every day rubbing elbows. Take 20-25k IU of Vitamin D3, Zinc, E, C, and all the other suggested supplements. Better part of 3 tubes of Ivermectin in the kitchen cabinet.
Posted By: maddog

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

70 yo. Both shots, moderna. Wife 68, she got both shots also.
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I have natural immunity now being one of the very first victims of Covid. Biden says he’s sending lollipops to all survivors.
Posted By: Raeford

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me nope
Wife nope
Son nope
DIL nope
Posted By: BlueDuck

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No 75
Posted By: copperking81

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I remember getting colds as a kid and losing my sense of taste and smell. I thought it was interesting at the time but don't think much of it when it happens now.

It's funny to see grown men lamenting and worrying about it now like it's thing.... a real problem. Have to shut down the economy, institute mail in voting on a massive scale, because a bunch of fuqqers can't taste a banana anymore.
Posted By: elkcountry

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope, 52! Take 18mg of Ivermectin every two weeks. I'm the only one in my my house that HASN'T had COV. Wife and kids had it and NONE felt terrible, just a little draggy! treated with Ivermectin and all felt 90% better within 2 days!

I'm telling you, that stuff would make Covid disappear if everyone took it for 3 days!

FLCCC.net
Posted By: OldHat

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by geedubya
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by geedubya
Be 70 in December.

No, never.

Did find out about an hour ago that I had been directly exposed earlier today.

Will see!

ya!

GWB

PS: From the reading and studying I've done, this video expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4


PPS: He who controls the language, controls the debate. I refuse to call it a vaccine. It is not. I prefer to call it a jab, as not being a vaccine, it can't be a vaccination.


Outstanding GW. Thanks for the link. That expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen as well.


JG,

Walter banned me permanently off AR due the link I posted in the Crater asking "Does the State Have an Interest in promoting Chaos?"

Yup! Said I was dangerous!

TFF,

GWB


That's too bad, but not surprised GW. That site is a cesspool anyway, IMO.
Posted By: Rooster7

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes. 51

Against every fiber in my being. Dad is mid eighties - Colon cancer. Mom late 70's - Oral cancer. I'm the one that is around them most bringing them to appointments etc. so I figured with their compromised systems, I will suck it up and get it and see what happens.

If not for my parents health issues, NO WAY in hell would have I gotten it.

I did the J & J and I got sick as a F'ng dog from it the next day. Freezing chills, headache, joints ached so bad I could barely walk. It sucked to say the least.
Posted By: Rooster7

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by elkcountry
Nope, 52! Take 18mg of Ivermectin every two weeks. I'm the only one in my my house that HASN'T had COV. Wife and kids had it and NONE felt terrible, just a little draggy! treated with Ivermectin and all felt 90% better within 2 days!

I'm telling you, that stuff would make Covid disappear if everyone took it for 3 days!

FLCCC.net


How do you take Ivermectin. Is it pill? Serious question.
Posted By: Rooster7

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by jaguartx


WTF do you think it means when Schumer and other Ds in govt have had the jab and still wear the mask?


Virtue signaling POS's
Posted By: okie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I am 61 and Teri is 57 we are part of the control group
Posted By: ingwe

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope. 69
Posted By: Bearcat74

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21


No, 41yrs old
Posted By: TrueGrit

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by elkcountry
Nope, 52! Take 18mg of Ivermectin every two weeks. I'm the only one in my my house that HASN'T had COV. Wife and kids had it and NONE felt terrible, just a little draggy! treated with Ivermectin and all felt 90% better within 2 days!

I'm telling you, that stuff would make Covid disappear if everyone took it for 3 days!

FLCCC.net


How do you take Ivermectin. Is it pill? Serious question.

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.
Posted By: Phoneman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No Had covid in october. 40years old
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Rooster7
How do you take Ivermectin. Is it pill? Serious question.
Hard to get a prescription for the human Ivermectin. Go to a farm store that carries vet medicine. Get a 50cc/ml vial of the 1% injectable and a syringe to pull and measure it 1 per cc/ml by mouth per 110 pounds. A little overdose won't hurt. It will also kill your lice or any mosquitoes or bed bugs that bite you while it's in your system.
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
69 this August 5th, no. Have Ivermectin on hand and take 1000mg Vitamin C, and 25 mg of D3 every day. My wife is scared to prescribe Ivermectin to her patients even though she believes it works. Not an approved treatment. We have a 76 year old friend whose doctor prescribed it for her to take with her on a trip to Honduras. Told her to take a dose on departure and take some while there. Told her that even though it was effective against CV-19 he could not advise her to use it for that purpose.


Surely you mean 2500 IU of D3?

Does she Rx Hydroxychloroquine for those going on safari in Afreaka?
Posted By: Heym06

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes 70 , wife yes 68. Received moderna, arm sore for a couple days with each shot! Dr. recommend because of three bouts of pneumonia, over the years, and asthma I take meds for daily!
Posted By: jaguartx

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by geedubya
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by geedubya
Be 70 in December.

No, never.

Did find out about an hour ago that I had been directly exposed earlier today.

Will see!

ya!

GWB

PS: From the reading and studying I've done, this video expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4


PPS: He who controls the language, controls the debate. I refuse to call it a vaccine. It is not. I prefer to call it a jab, as not being a vaccine, it can't be a vaccination.


Outstanding GW. Thanks for the link. That expresses my thoughts better than anything else I've seen as well.


JG,

Walter banned me permanently off AR due the link I posted in the Crater asking "Does the State Have an Interest in promoting Chaos?"

Yup! Said I was dangerous!

TFF,

GWB


You probably are dangerous, to the dangerous. wink
Posted By: Otter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me, 69 and yes. Wife, 66 and yes.

I have diabetes and MS, wife has lymphoma and doing chemo. We both tested positive in Oct 2020. Wife had zero symptoms but I got to spend a week in the hospital, oxygen and meds only, no ventilator, thank the Lord. We had Pfizer upon advice of my Endocrinologist . . . The evening after we got the first jab, the Cleveland report came out with the info that those who had Covid more than likely had enough antibodies to give us immunity for the rest of our lives. Figured what the heck, and got the second jab 3 weeks later. Had the Cleveland report been released 24 hours earlier, I probably would have passed. No side effects for either of us from the jabs, though.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Hastings
69 this August 5th, no. Have Ivermectin on hand and take 1000mg Vitamin C, and 25 mg of D3 every day. My wife is scared to prescribe Ivermectin to her patients even though she believes it works. Not an approved treatment. We have a 76 year old friend whose doctor prescribed it for her to take with her on a trip to Honduras. Told her to take a dose on departure and take some while there. Told her that even though it was effective against CV-19 he could not advise her to use it for that purpose.


Surely you mean 2500 IU of D3?

Does she Rx Hydroxychloroquine for those going on safari in Afreaka?

25 mcg (1000IU) is actually what the bottle says. She is in mostly low income pediatrics, so all her patients are under 21 and don't go to the land of their ancestry. The white ones don't travel much either.
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Ivermectin kills cooties too? Asking for a friend.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Google is your friend JFC
Posted By: Duckhunter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me 62 nope, the wife works in health care 57 nope.
Posted By: saddlering

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

63 and NO, wife 62 and NO
Posted By: steve4102

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No , 64
Posted By: JGray

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Wife and I both 60 - no and don't plan to...
Posted By: deflave

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
I am your age and not gotten it. I'm around COVID more than 99% of the people you will ever meet or converse with.

How is that, being Mr. Mom and all?


Play dates.
Posted By: ackleydave

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me (59) yes as I am dealing with a pretty nasty autoimmune condition and wasn’t sure if I was up to fighting it off. I will say that during this whole thing I have worked with and for hundreds of people and never worried about getting it. My wife (64) got the shots mainly because she is working from home and watching too much TV. The daughter (24) got vaccinated because she is a nurse and they suggested that she get it. Daughter was the only one of us who got the COVID and said it felt like a nasty cold. Stepson (30 and very active) refuses to get vaccinated and I feel that that is his prerogative even though the wife disagrees. Dave
Posted By: Ridgewalker

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

NO 63, Wife NO 63.
Posted By: FishN4Eyes

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21


Yep, I did.

51 YO, Moderna.

I did it for a couple reasons: my Mom is in an assisted living center and the only way I can see her in person is to be vaccinated otherwise I have to stand outside and see her through the window. That's a deal-breaker for me.

Also I have several hunts booked in Canada and you have to be vaccinated.

I had COVID already so had mixed feelings about the vaccination but talked to my personal doctor and felt it was the best choice for me.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?


it's the paste in a syringe. Any coop sells it

No vaccine for me. Had covid. Used ivermectin, quercetin, zinc, vit D. to treat. No big deal. Keep a few syringes of ivermectin on hand for when I have to travel
Posted By: ribka

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by deflave
I am your age and not gotten it. I'm around COVID more than 99% of the people you will ever meet or converse with.

How is that, being Mr. Mom and all?


Play dates.


prayers sent
Posted By: NMpistolero

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, 45 yo. Wife no, same age.

Not an anti-vaxer our horses dogs and cows get vaccinated.
We’ve been taking ivermectin. Our daughter (25) was diagnosed with cancer 2 months ago and is going thru chemo so really susceptible to infection. Wife struggled over getting the jab but it’s not a true vaccine. She could still catch it and spread it. Figured it was better to know for sure if she was sick rather than having it and not realizing it.

I might lose my job over it. We’ll see. Don’t see any upside to it other than warm and fuzzies for being a hero, and not catching a rash of sheet from the world savers. If anyone wants or thinks they need it, great I’ll give you a ride to get it. But don’t force it on me.
Posted By: JLimbo

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Me at 60 no and the wife at 59 no. Have been taking ivermectin since February as a prophylactic after we had been exposed by a friend and healthcare worker.

The Iver worked great through two trips to Texas to hunt and eight plane flights and running around town and casinos without a face diaper all summer.

The Vid caught us last week as the wife and I were at a big conference in So. Dakota. I had a slight cough and a sinus headache for a day and now have lost my sense of taste. Other than the taste/smell thing I feel fine.

It hit my wife a little harder as she had the cough and a fever for a couple of days but is now fine.

I have no doubt the Iver knocked the crap out of the covid given my age [60] and being a little portly with other factors as having asthma and being diabetic. Now if I could only taste my beer all would be well.

My last nugget. My Dr. of 27 years sealed the deal for me not getting the jab. He dropped dead two days after getting his second Pfizer. He was only 64. RIP doc.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by NMpistolero
No, 45 yo. Wife no, same age.

Not an anti-vaxer our horses dogs and cows get vaccinated.
We’ve been taking ivermectin. Our daughter (25) was diagnosed with cancer 2 months ago and is going thru chemo so really susceptible to infection. Wife struggled over getting the jab but it’s not a true vaccine. She could still catch it and spread it. Figured it was better to know for sure if she was sick rather than having it and not realizing it.

I might lose my job over it. We’ll see. Don’t see any upside to it other than warm and fuzzies for being a hero, and not catching a rash of sheet from the world savers. If anyone wants or thinks they need it, great I’ll give you a ride to get it. But don’t force it on me.




https://web.archive.org/web/20210202224304/https://www.republicanmandate.com/news-articles/blank-covid-vaccine-card


https://www.tomsguide.com/news/fake-covid-vaccination-cards
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?

It's not injectable (sp?). He's talking about the horse tube you buy at Tractor Supply (I think). You give yourself a dose per weight. Mix it with water accordingly. $3.99 a tube.....

Haven't had the Rona yet but have a tube of the Ivermectin on standby should I loose my sense of taste or smell.

In the interest of replying to the thread, No haven't had the jab. Double nickels, don't like people or the public and retired so I've got a safe margin away from dirtballs anyway I figure.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Posted By: TrueGrit

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?

It's not injectable (sp?). He's talking about the horse tube you buy at Tractor Supply (I think). You give yourself a dose per weight. Mix it with water accordingly. $3.99 a tube.....

Haven't had the Rona yet but have a tube of the Ivermectin on standby should I loose my sense of taste or smell.

In the interest of replying to the thread, No haven't had the jab. Double nickels, don't like people or the public and retired so I've got a safe margin away from dirtballs anyway I figure.

I've heard 1cc per 110lb in your morning coffee and you'll be good to go. I know you can't taste 2.5cc in your coffee.
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Posted By: broomd

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yep, both jabs...57, ....wife 54, yes. both Moderna.

She travels a ton and is in health care.
Posted By: Crusader

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No for me and my wife, I'm 62, her 57. We both had COVID back during Thanksgiving week (I brought it home from deer camp), mild cases. We were tested for antibodies in April, positive, and last weekend which was again positive. I prefer to rely on those natural antibodies and want to avoid/delay vaccination. However, I'm a federal employee and it sounds like Biden is going to require it for us....
Posted By: sambubba

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Hell no. I am 75 and wife is 69. We haven't had covid.
Posted By: 222ND

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

47 and a no. Wife, kids, and myself all had the covid. Will Consider identifying as vaccinated in the future, that is if it fits a narrative that is beneficial to my well-being. I believe they will try to make it very ugly for the unvaccinated in the not to distant future. Scary times.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?

It's not injectable (sp?). He's talking about the horse tube you buy at Tractor Supply (I think). You give yourself a dose per weight. Mix it with water accordingly. $3.99 a tube.....

Haven't had the Rona yet but have a tube of the Ivermectin on standby should I loose my sense of taste or smell.

In the interest of replying to the thread, No haven't had the jab. Double nickels, don't like people or the public and retired so I've got a safe margin away from dirtballs anyway I figure.

I've heard 1cc per 110lb in your morning coffee and you'll be good to go. I know you can't taste 2.5cc in your coffee.
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When the Ivermectin also has the plus on the label there is another ingredient in there to kill adult liver flukes. I believe I would stick with plain Ivermectin.
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?

It's not injectable (sp?). He's talking about the horse tube you buy at Tractor Supply (I think). You give yourself a dose per weight. Mix it with water accordingly. $3.99 a tube.....

Haven't had the Rona yet but have a tube of the Ivermectin on standby should I loose my sense of taste or smell.

In the interest of replying to the thread, No haven't had the jab. Double nickels, don't like people or the public and retired so I've got a safe margin away from dirtballs anyway I figure.

I've heard 1cc per 110lb in your morning coffee and you'll be good to go. I know you can't taste 2.5cc in your coffee.
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When the Ivermectin also has the plus on the label there is another ingredient in there to kill adult liver flukes. I believe I would stick with plain Ivermectin.


I have the horse paste from TS.

Anyone on here have a source for fake vaccine papers?
Posted By: rem141r

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

so some of you injest a paste, made for horses that they sell at tractor supply?
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by rem141r
so some of you injest a paste, made for horses that they sell at tractor supply?


Yes, if needed. Do a little research.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by rem141r
so some of you injest a paste, made for horses that they sell at tractor supply?



The amoxicillin you give a dog is the same you give a human.
Posted By: overmax

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

49, getting my first tomorrow.

I have a friend in his upper 50's, his 20 something yoa daughter had the covid a month or so ago few symptoms. They said covid was BS. The mans wife got covid 3 weeks ago said it wasn't sheit. He said it wasn't sheit as well until he got it a week and a half ago. He said when he got to the hospital the Dr said at that point he was just going to try to save his life. He is still in the hospital hopefully will be out soon, he feels differently about covid now. It affects everyone differently.

A friends 51 yoa husband got the covid at the end of June, went in ICU shortly thereafter, he is still in ICU and most likely his next stop will be the morgue.

A co workers 46 yoa female cousin with no know preexisting conditions just got out of a month long hospital stay with covid. She left in a wheelchair because she cant walk with a tube in her stomach.

It affects everyone differently. It may all be BS, but I have a 9 yoa son at home and a significant other with an autoimmune disorder. If the vaccine helps minimize the symptoms for me if I get the covid or helps keep them safe, it will be worth it for me to take it.
Posted By: efw

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by overmax
If


Yep that about says it all right there
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Best wishes for you. A member of my family runs a business. Two guys, construction dudes in their prime, ended up in the ICU, one in a coma. Hearing about that, seeing stuff like you posted definitely doesn't sound like BS to me. I don't have to believe it all to believe that... We'd loose everything due to an extended hospital stay. Might help I figured. The hunk of MRNA tells the cell to make antibodies just like a hunk of virus does. Good enough for Trump... Pretty messed up times, especially the tracking chip in the sphincter. There's gotta be a better way. Good luck. They really don't put it in there...


Originally Posted by overmax
49, getting my first tomorrow.

I have a friend in his upper 50's, his 20 something yoa daughter had the covid a month or so ago few symptoms. They said covid was BS. The mans wife got covid 3 weeks ago said it wasn't sheit. He said it wasn't sheit as well until he got it a week and a half ago. He said when he got to the hospital the Dr said at that point he was just going to try to save his life. He is still in the hospital hopefully will be out soon, he feels differently about covid now. It affects everyone differently.

A friends 51 yoa husband got the covid at the end of June, went in ICU shortly thereafter, he is still in ICU and most likely his next stop will be the morgue.

A co workers 46 yoa female cousin with no know preexisting conditions just got out of a month long hospital stay with covid. She left in a wheelchair because she cant walk with a tube in her stomach.

It affects everyone differently. It may all be BS, but I have a 9 yoa son at home and a significant other with an autoimmune disorder. If the vaccine helps minimize the symptoms for me if I get the covid or helps keep them safe, it will be worth it for me to take it.

Posted By: benchman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

No, my wife hasn't either. I'm 66, she's 67. Neither of us have had it either.
Posted By: kaywoodie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I like the apple paste!
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I like the apple paste!


How’s the taste Bob ? Been meaning to go by Tractor Supply and pick some up.
Posted By: TXLoader

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Nope. Age 60.

Also, not the wife nor my sons.
I know many who've taken the treatment; I respect their decision.
Something tells me, though, this isn't good for the long haul....
Posted By: gunzo

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Naw, age 67.9
Posted By: champlain_islander

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I did and so did my wife. I feel I need to do all I can to eliminate the chance of contracting a bad case of covid. I am 73 years old and in good health. I figure there is a slight risk of complications from the vaccine and a much greater risk of complications from the Covid. I'll play the odds.
Posted By: Borealis Bob

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes for both the wife and me, 71 each. I'm diabetic with a touch of COPD, otherwise would likely have passed on it.
Posted By: kaywoodie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I like the apple paste!


How’s the taste Bob ? Been meaning to go by Tractor Supply and pick some up.


Not bad! Taste better that a mouthful of Phuqin’ nasty azz beets!!!
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I like the apple paste!


How’s the taste Bob ? Been meaning to go by Tractor Supply and pick some up.


Not bad! Taste better that a mouthful of Phuqin’ nasty azz beets!!!


LOL. I hate beets ! 😬
Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

81 yes!
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

CHL is a queeeeer
Posted By: Utahunter

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Yes, I'm 64 and yes for my wife, she's 58. My mom also and she's 87
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by BobBrown
CHL is a queeeeer


Swing and a miss Troll. And a weak limp-wristed one too.
Maybe you should sober up and get a life.
Posted By: GeoW

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.
Posted By: JLimbo

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I like the apple paste!


So did I but the dose I took today is now like everything else. No flavor.
Posted By: kaywoodie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by JLimbo
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I like the apple paste!


So did I but the dose I took today is now like everything else. No flavor.


It is an acquired taste. Then again I was an absinthe addict for years.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by GeoW
I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.



Good to know the "alt right" are the only folks advising caution on this lol.

Did your doc tell you to vote for McStain and Romney as well? lol.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by GeoW
I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.



Good to know the "alt right" are the only folks advising caution on this lol.

Did your doc tell you to vote for McStain and Romney as well? lol.

.
The CDC wants 2 year olds to mask up.
Posted By: GeoW

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by GeoW
I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.



Good to know the "alt right" are the only folks advising caution on this lol.

Did your doc tell you to vote for McStain and Romney as well? lol.


Nope, just medical advice from Doc. Thanks! lol
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by GeoW
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by GeoW
I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.



Good to know the "alt right" are the only folks advising caution on this lol.

Did your doc tell you to vote for McStain and Romney as well? lol.


Nope, just medical advice from Doc. Thanks! lol



You made it political with your statement. Just calling you on it is all.
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

The CDC can suck it
Posted By: 5sdad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Brave souls to admit having been vaccinated.
Posted By: chlinstructor

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/29/21

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by GeoW
I'm 69, yes. I chose to listen to my doc's advice and not the alt right on this one.



Good to know the "alt right" are the only folks advising caution on this lol.

Did your doc tell you to vote for McStain and Romney as well? lol.


LOL. Probably.
Posted By: Hastings

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by rem141r
so some of you injest a paste, made for horses that they sell at tractor supply?
Ivermectin is Ivermectin as long as you get the dose correct. It won't hurt you and there's a good chance it will help and maybe save your life if you react badly to this exotic virus. Now before our resident doctor breaks in, I am not a virologist and don't much understand how viral diseases work. I just know Ivermectin has worked for me and many others. It makes me suspicious when I do a search and see all kinds of warnings to not use the stuff when it has a 40 year track record of safety.
Posted By: Stophel

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Gotta trust those doctors, no matter what! Doctors have never been wrong!
Posted By: slumlord

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

I take in a lot of virology and epidemiological advice from the Q-anon and sIdNeY pOwELL fans. They are solid.

Anyone who will not go outside for 10 years and post every Gateway Pundit and Glenn Beck link is part of the brain trust I follow.
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

So, what about putting ivermectin on my sac?
Posted By: krp

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Sure if you got scabies...

Kent
Posted By: HawkI

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Life is dangerous and the world is full of important people.

Im not that important.

Which is why the "shot" has so many ardent supporters, to their point I need to get one too, in case they phugged up and need the coddling that they were wrong but along with a lot of others.
Posted By: mtnsnake

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

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Posted By: elkcountry

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Take 1cc for every 110lbs you weigh. Use the injectable type and mix it in your coffee for 3 days, then a follow up dose 4 days later, then just one dose a week. You might be surprised how well you feel after the first week. My son in law came down with the China flu and maybe my daughter, do I decided to try Ivermectin 3 weeks ago as a preventative. My daughter started taking Ivermectin after she started feeling punny and was completely over it in 3 days. Don in law wouldn't take Ivermectin and was over a week dealing with the China flu. When I back from our vacation I'm going to quit taking the Ivermectin and use only as needed.

Where do you buy the injectable stuff?


it's the paste in a syringe. Any coop sells it

No vaccine for me. Had covid. Used ivermectin, quercetin, zinc, vit D. to treat. No big deal. Keep a few syringes of ivermectin on hand for when I have to travel


I use the apple flavored horse paste from the local Tractor Supply. Costs about $6 and is enough for 5 doses for me! A little over 1$/ dose is cheap insurance! My daughter has a prescription for the 3mg pills. She gets 30 pills for $60! I just squirt a little on a spoon full of yogurt and down the hatch! Can’t even taste it. It’s about the same consistency as thick Vaseline. I buy one every time I’m in there and have a few stashed. Every notch on the plunger is the dose for every 50lbs. of body weight. A little more is fine! Absolutely safe!! The Dr. my daughter saw to get her script 100% advised her to NOT get the jab! Says her research has convinced her that the long term effects of the jab are just not worth the risk and all 3 Drs. in that office advise against it!

FLCCC. net has loads of info on Ivermectin’s effectiveness!


Posted By: Tarkio

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by SamOlson
A simply yes or no and if you would, your age.

I will start off with a no and 44 years old.
(have yet to wear a mask...)


My 72 year dad hasn't either, thinking maybe he should?


From what I have gleaned, I would suggest your dad get vaccinated.

I got vaccinated au natural.

A number of physician friends and have heard second hand how bad this is for some folks. Particularly those with underlying issues (comorbitities) or the elderly.

Most of the unknown effects that are concerning with the vaccine would be the long-term unknowns that I think are less of a concern for an elderly person.

As far as me and mine, I do not see any of us getting vaccinated.

I know my wife and I had it. I really believe my son did also. My daughter, showed zero symptoms when we all had it.

But the kids are teenagers and the effects of the virus on young people is really minimal for the most part.

So we are going about our lives.
Posted By: Beaver10

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
So, what about putting ivermectin on my sac?


Ask Kingston....Apparently it turned him black and gave him a horse cock.

🦫
Posted By: EdM

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.
Posted By: Tarkio

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.
Posted By: Krazi

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

I did. No brainer for me. Wife had Cancer and a stem cell transplant in 2013. Her immune system is still comprised. Any little bug kicks the crap out of her
Posted By: Krazi

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to go through five years of hell that she did. I was with her in the hospital for 75 days. It really changes your view
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.


The science says natural immunity is 7 times better, according to a study coming out of Israel this week.
Posted By: hotsoup

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Both the wife and i got the shots. Maybe 3 months later we both were exposed to the virus. I came down with it but only had sinus-type issues and lost taste and smell. I felt a little rough for a few days, then was fine. My stock broker was the picture of health, went to the gym 3 days every week for years. 57 yrs old and died of covid 10days after a positive test. For some, covid is no joke.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.


The science says natural immunity is 7 times better, according to a study coming out of Israel this week.



The study was funded by Hezbollah.
Posted By: pahick

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Already stated I got J&J. Seriously considering getting Pfizer. Undecided IF I do it if ill go with one dose or 2. Still looking at others who've done it and how theyre getting on. Probably will wait til end of September to see if cases shoot up or not.
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020
Posted By: pahick

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by kingston
By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.



Isnt he the quack that makes a living selling supplements that were tested to not include everything theyre supposed to? Honest question, could be mixing him up with someone else.
Posted By: EdM

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.


Indeed. I am about to send a pretty healthy check north just wondering what the kook up there might do between now and late September when I depart.
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.


Indeed. I am about to send a pretty healthy check north just wondering what the kook up there might do between now and late September when I depart.


Assuming the border isn't shut down again...
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by kingston
By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.



Isnt he the quack that makes a living selling supplements that were tested to not include everything theyre supposed to? Honest question, could be mixing him up with someone else.


I chose that piece mostly for the citations at the end.
Posted By: Dixie_Dude

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.
Posted By: deflave

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
So, what about putting ivermectin on my sac?


Ask Kingston....Apparently it turned him black and gave him a horse cock.

🦫


That certainly explains your friendship with him.

LOL
Posted By: mauserand9mm

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.


And she might get it again even with the shots
Posted By: Hubert

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

yes 84 next month.( Aug)
Posted By: TrueGrit

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by EdM
A requirement for my entry into Canada come late September. Test within three days of entry as well.


And this pisses me off.

I own a cabin in CAN.

I have had the virus and recovered. Science says I am as good and maybe better than vaccinated. I am hoping crap will settle down some as we move forward. We will see.


Indeed. I am about to send a pretty healthy check north just wondering what the kook up there might do between now and late September when I depart.

Throwing good money at bad, all while getting a controversial vaccine so you might be able to go on a hunt?
Posted By: Longbob

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by pahick
Already stated I got J&J. Seriously considering getting Pfizer. Undecided IF I do it if ill go with one dose or 2. Still looking at others who've done it and how theyre getting on. Probably will wait til end of September to see if cases shoot up or not.



I had the J&J in mid March. Just finished the second shot of Pfizer on Monday of this week. No real reaction on the first shot, but maybe a slightly sore arm. I had zero reaction to the J&J shot when I got it. The second shot gave me a fairly sore arm for a couple of days. I got the shot at 9:00 am on Monday and felt fine until 2:00 am on Tuesday. Felt pretty nauseous with chills and shaking. I thought this must be what Spiderman felt like going through the change. I felt completely ok by 6:30 am and went to work.
Posted By: goalie

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.


I'm not saying your nurse friend isn't smart, but when the Cleveland Clinic is saying don't get vaccinated if you've already had covid, I'm listening to them, not her.
Posted By: jwp475

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.


I'm not saying your nurse friend isn't smart, but when the Cleveland Clinic is saying don't get vaccinated if you've already had covid, I'm listening to them, not her.


Yep
Posted By: WMR

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.


I'm not saying your nurse friend isn't smart, but when the Cleveland Clinic is saying don't get vaccinated if you've already had covid, I'm listening to them, not her.



I'm not saying you are not smart, cause it appears you are, but that is NOT what the Cleveland Clinic says. Their official stand is still that all eligible persons should get the vaccine. I am aware of the study data they released, but it has not changed their position.
Posted By: JimFromTN

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by slumlord
Yes.

I got mine in Jan/Feb.

Was directed by Mayo Clinic as part of my organ transplant listing.

I just told the proctors and other line workers I was retarded and I got to lumped in with all the 70-80 yr olds.

Only side effect, it added 2” to my choad


No one else in my fambly has taken this. And we have a mix of college students, medical people, oldsters and daddy has The Beetus.


You reported that on VAERS system, didn't you?
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020






Timely post, king. Thanks.


Facts, real experts and documentation still matter. Lol.
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Originally Posted by slumlord
Yes.

I got mine in Jan/Feb.

Was directed by Mayo Clinic as part of my organ transplant listing.

I just told the proctors and other line workers I was retarded and I got to lumped in with all the 70-80 yr olds.

Only side effect, it added 2” to my choad


No one else in my fambly has taken this. And we have a mix of college students, medical people, oldsters and daddy has The Beetus.


You reported that on VAERS system, didn't you?






MENSA is in no danger of you polluting their ranks.
Posted By: elkcountry

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

[/quote]Timely post, king. Thanks.


Facts, real experts and documentation still matter. Lol.[/quote]

Unless you are a Democrat!
Posted By: MtnBoomer

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

From the meme thread.


MY CALL TO THE CDC...

ME: CDC, should I get poked if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, so we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: (Silence on the line).

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEW YORK TIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

(Buzzing sound)

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?
Posted By: CGPAUL

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Yup, 78, wife too, both shots.
Posted By: Burleyboy

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

First dose of Moderna put me in the ER with o2 sats of 54% and severe dehydration from puking 3 days after the shot. They said it's an indication I'd already had covid that I reacted to the first shot like that. I'd been pretty sick a few times in the year before but always tested negative.

I regret getting the shot now but there is so much bull crap out there on both sides of the issue it's hard to know what to believe. My 65 year old aunt decided not to get it because of the conspiracies against it and she's now been in a coma on a ventilator in SLC for 3 weeks after getting covid they expected her to die the first week but she's still hanging on. Her husband got the shot and never got sick but who knows.

There have been so many lies and so much double speak by those in charge that I'm convinced they are covering something up. I'm seriously a bit concerned that I may have dome something that will harm me long term by getting the Vax but at this point I'll just have to wait and see.

I've there is something nefarious in the shot that damages a lot of people I hope people go after all the politicians and drug company executives behind it and drag them out in the street. If everything turns out OK and the shot proves beneficial with few or no negative effects for most people someone should drag the Alex Jones types in to the streets for a public ass kicking.

At this point all I can do is wait but I'm not letting my kids get the shot anytime soon.

Bb
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

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Posted By: JimFromTN

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Originally Posted by slumlord
Yes.

I got mine in Jan/Feb.

Was directed by Mayo Clinic as part of my organ transplant listing.

I just told the proctors and other line workers I was retarded and I got to lumped in with all the 70-80 yr olds.

Only side effect, it added 2” to my choad


No one else in my fambly has taken this. And we have a mix of college students, medical people, oldsters and daddy has The Beetus.


You reported that on VAERS system, didn't you?






MENSA is in no danger of you polluting their ranks.


Someone reported their son became the incredible hulk after getting the vaccine. When I heard that, I immediately went out and got the vaccine. I am still waiting.
Posted By: JimFromTN

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020

Posted By: irfubar

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
From the meme thread.


MY CALL TO THE CDC...

ME: CDC, should I get poked if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, so we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: (Silence on the line).

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEW YORK TIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

(Buzzing sound)

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?


Good post Boomer. You would think even the idiots could understand this....
Posted By: deflave

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by WMR
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
I know a nurse who got Covid when it first got over here. She got it again about 11 months later, right before the shots. She got the shots. She said twice was enough for her. So having it doesn't mean you won't get it again.


I'm not saying your nurse friend isn't smart, but when the Cleveland Clinic is saying don't get vaccinated if you've already had covid, I'm listening to them, not her.



I'm not saying you are not smart, cause it appears you are, but that is NOT what the Cleveland Clinic says. Their official stand is still that all eligible persons should get the vaccine. I am aware of the study data they released, but it has not changed their position.


That would be worth noting if they didn’t have the caveat that states once you’ve had COVID you don’t need the vaccine.

The study plainly states if supplies are low not to bother giving the vaccine to previously infected because they don’t need it.

How fugking stupid does a person have to be to not apply that information when discussing the administering of a vaccine to large numbers of people?
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Old Toot likes schidting her pants.
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Oh Good . I’m immune so Louisiana can have my vaccine
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by Krazi
I did. No brainer for me. Wife had Cancer and a stem cell transplant in 2013. Her immune system is still comprised. Any little bug kicks the crap out of her

And????

Sorry for your wife but you do realize that you can still give her the Rona after having been vaccinated don't you?
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by BobBrown
Oh Good . I’m immune so Louisiana can have my vaccine






Don't forget Delta, Alpha, Omega.

Lol.
Posted By: JimFromTN

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Who is schitting their pants in fear? I got the viper's venom. I am protected. I don't care if you don't get it because I could care less if you die. As a matter of fact, please don't get it. I am begging you. If you get it and die, please have a family member post it on here so I can have a good laugh.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is a fraud.


Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Too bad there’s no jab for g a y s
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Jim is studying the F A G variant
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by local_dirt
[quote=JimFromTN]





Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.


He can't help but schitt his pants. His butt hole has to be 5 inches round from all the things that's been in it.
Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Who is schitting their pants in fear? I got the viper's venom. I am protected. I don't care if you don't get it because I could care less if you die. As a matter of fact, please don't get it. I am begging you. If you get it and die, please have a family member post it on here so I can have a good laugh.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is a fraud.


Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.








Ahhh. Here comes the bile.

Lol.
Posted By: ribka

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

only a liar or a lying idiot would use NYT or amazon post for a source. Both publications have to retract lies daily on their misinformation.

Both publication had over a thousand stories on how Trump colluded with the Russians. Over a thousand and you're dumb enough to cite them. Just another uneducated racist clown from the south. lol





Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Who is schitting their pants in fear? I got the viper's venom. I am protected. I don't care if you don't get it because I could care less if you die. As a matter of fact, please don't get it. I am begging you. If you get it and die, please have a family member post it on here so I can have a good laugh.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is a fraud.


Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.

Posted By: local_dirt

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by ribka
only a liar or a lying idiot would use NYT or amazon post for a source. Both publications have to retract lies daily on their misinformation.

Both publication had over a thousand stories on how Trump colluded with the Russians. Over a thousand and you're dumb enough to cite them. Just another uneducated racist clown from the south. lol





Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Who is schitting their pants in fear? I got the viper's venom. I am protected. I don't care if you don't get it because I could care less if you die. As a matter of fact, please don't get it. I am begging you. If you get it and die, please have a family member post it on here so I can have a good laugh.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is a fraud.


Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.










You have to be a certified card-carrying moron to cite the NYT as proof of anything.

It's a good doggie pee-pee pad, though.
Posted By: Skankhunt42

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by ribka
only a liar or a lying idiot would use NYT or amazon post for a source. Both publications have to retract lies daily on their misinformation.

Both publication had over a thousand stories on how Trump colluded with the Russians. Over a thousand and you're dumb enough to cite them. Just another uneducated HOMOSEXUAL racist clown from the south. lol





Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Who is schitting their pants in fear? I got the viper's venom. I am protected. I don't care if you don't get it because I could care less if you die. As a matter of fact, please don't get it. I am begging you. If you get it and die, please have a family member post it on here so I can have a good laugh.

I was simply pointing out that the guy is a fraud.


Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by JimFromTN
Apparently, he is a vitamin salesmen who tries to vitamins to people on the claim that they prevent and treat covid
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...g-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...8-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

Originally Posted by kingston
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
July 26, 2021 8:00 PM By Dr Joseph Mercola

Note: This post was originally published by Mercola.com.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%
In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine
In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel
It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered; one study found the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%
With effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-19 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering
A recurring theme being broadcast by public health officials and the media is that vaccine-induced immunity is superior to that of natural immunity, but preliminary data from Israel — a country with more than 60% of its population vaccinated against COVID-191 — is showing otherwise.

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021,2 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine. As reported by Israeli National News:

“With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.”

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.3

Rate of COVID Reinfection: 0.27%

It’s extremely rare to get reinfected by COVID-19 after you’ve already had the disease and recovered. How rare? Researchers from Ireland conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months.4

“Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from 0% to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.5,6,7

Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.8

Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”9

Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.10

Why Natural Immunity Is Superior

Speaking with journalist Daniel Horowitz, pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole explained that natural immunity produces broad immunity that can’t be matched by vaccination:11

“A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike. Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again.

Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”

In 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection.12 This also suggests that long-term natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected.13

With vaccination, however, Israeli14 data suggest that those who were vaccinated early on, in January 2021, are becoming susceptible to the virus, suggesting its efficacy may wane after about six months.

This sentiment was echoed by Pfizer’s head of medical research and development, Mikael Dolsten, who said “after six months, there may be risk of infection with the expected decline of antibodies.” Pfizer is seeking emergency use authorization for a third booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S.15

According to Cole, part of the reason for waning vaccine-induced immunity is because “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins” and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”16

Natural COVID Immunity May Last a Lifetime

It was initially suggested that natural COVID-19 immunity may be short-lived. This was based on early data on SARS-CoV-2, which found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19. According to a team of researchers from the Washington University School of Medicine, however, if you’ve had COVID-19 — even a mild case — you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents.17

According to senior author of the study Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, “It’s normal for antibody levels to go down after acute infection, but they don’t go down to zero; they plateau.”18

The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection. The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected.

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.19 Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.”20 Ellebedy even said the protection provided by naturally acquired immunity is likely to continue “indefinitely”:21

“These [BMPC] cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

In another explanation of why antibody levels drop after initial infection — but it’s not an indication of waning immunity — Cole told Horowitz:22

“Yes, our antibody levels drop over time, however, scientifically, the memory B cells that make antibodies have been proven to be present in our lymph nodes and bone marrow. They are primed and ready to produce a broad array of antibodies upon viral pre-exposure.

It would be physiologically, energetically impossible to maintain high antibody levels to all the pathogens we are constantly exposed to, and we would look like the ‘swollen Stay-Puft marshmallow man’ of lymph nodes, constantly, if the immune system were required to do that.”

Why Are Natural Immunity, Early Treatment Protocols Censored?

Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the U.S. and is the editor of two medical journals.

In our recent interview, he discussed the importance of early treatment for COVID-19, and the potential motivations behind the suppression of safe and effective treatments. He also told Horowitz, “[T]here has never been a confirmed second [COVID-19] infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test.”23

In August 2020, McCullough’s landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.24 The follow-up paper, titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19),” was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.25

While early treatment options were available when the pandemic began, patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing, until the infection had progressed to the point where they were having trouble breathing. Once at the hospital, COVID patients were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal.

But McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID, as have other pioneering doctors like those behind the MATH+ protocol. He believes the end goal in suppressing early treatment was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign.

Indeed, effective treatments like ivermectin — a broad-spectrum antiparasitic that also has anti-inflammatory activity — have shown remarkable success in preventing and treating COVID-19,26 but they continue to be ignored in favor of more expensive, and less effective, treatments and mass experimental vaccination.27

At this point, however, with effective treatments available, the documented high survival rate of COVID-1928 and knowledge that if you’ve had COVID-19, you’re already likely immune to further infection, the rationale for getting vaccinated is faltering. Even the Delta variant has a very low 0.2% case fatality rate in the U.K., which drops to 0.03% in those under 50.29

Natural Infection Will ‘Burn Out All Variants’

If you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine, you’re participating in an unprecedented experiment with an unapproved gene therapy, of which the benefits may not outweigh the risks, especially if you’ve already had COVID-19 and are already likely immune.

As noted by Horowitz, “Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin … when appropriate.”30

Meanwhile, McCullough pointed out that by getting vaccinated, you’re setting yourself up for a very narrow immunity — much unlike the broad naturally acquired immunity — that could be easily overwhelmed by a more virulent virus. As he said in our interview that I previously mentioned:

“What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …

The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That’s the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let’s say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”

Sources and References:

1 Reuters, COVID-19 Tracker, Israel, Vaccination
2 Israel National News July 13, 2021
3 Reuters July 13, 2021
4, 5 Rev Med Virol. 2021;e2260
6, 11, 16, 22, 23, 29, 30 The Blaze July 14, 2021
7 News Rescue July 15, 2021
8, 9 medRxiv January 15, 2021
10 medRxiv April 24, 2021
12 Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020; 9(1): 900–902
13 Nature June 14, 2021
14 The Times of Israel July 11, 2021
15 Pfizer July 8, 2021
17, 20 Nature May 24, 2021
18, 21 NewsWise May 24, 2021
19 Nature May 26, 2021
24 American Journal of Medicine January 2021; 134(1): 16-22
25 Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine 2020; 21(4): 517-530
26 Collective Evolution April 13, 2021
27 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
28 NBC 26 October 20, 2020








Get yourself some Ivermectin and stop schitting your pants in fear.



FIFY
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
So, what about putting ivermectin on my sac?


Ask Kingston....Apparently it turned him black and gave him a horse cock.

🦫


That certainly explains your friendship with him.

LOL


Here I was sure It was Beaver's obsession with BobBrown's fake tits.
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
From the meme thread.


MY CALL TO THE CDC...

ME: CDC, should I get poked if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, so we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: (Silence on the line).

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEW YORK TIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

(Buzzing sound)

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?


Good stuff.
Posted By: kingston

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

The Israeli study is the news in that piece. Perhaps I could have selected a less controversial piece to quote, but it was late and this one included lots of source links at the end. It also highlights the fact that their are legions of woke social justice warriors, politically left leaning anti-Trumpers, and organic-non-gmo-fair trade-health nuts, who are dissenting to the "vaccines".
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

I know right

The leftists used to be the anti Vax crowd
Posted By: BobBrown

Re: Have you been vaccinated for C19? - 07/30/21

Trump won and

I’d bang the schidt outta Lauren Boebert standing up
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