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http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/enviropol/envirophilo/whynotenviro.pdf
I’m not an environmentalist or a developer. Both sides of the debate are fulla chitt.
Do you own a home? If yes, then you are a developer, albeit on a small scale. What's wrong with being a developer? They're just giving people what they desire, which is the highest good, as far as I can tell.
Get past the emotion and investigate the science, you might learn something. Try examining water pollution here in Floriduh. You might need a couple pots of coffee.

www.warinconline.com

Look down in the center, “Final Report Lower Withlacoochee...”

Phase 2 contains a lengthy data summary that is rather disconcerting if one knows anything about chemistry, geology and hydrology.


Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Get past the emotion and investigate the science, you might learn something. Try examining water pollution here in Floriduh. You might need a couple pots of coffee.

https://www.warinconline.com/content/files/LWR_Phase%203_Report_Final_w_Attachments(1).pdf

3 phase report, the second of which lists a bit of data.



It's you who are acting on emotion. Environmentalism is a religion. You appear to be one of its adherents. The truth of the matter is that environmentalism harms the well-being of humans far more than it helps. In fact, to call it "environmentalism" is completely misleading. Its actually the "anti-human being" movement. No one is denying the existence of pollution and no one is saying it is necessarily a good thing. That's not the issue. The question is whether, considering its benefits and costs, any particular pollution good or bad in the aggregate. The positive effects of fossil fuels far, far outweighs the negatives by probably thousands of orders of magnitude
Was editing the previous as you typed. I suspect you misunderstand where I sit on the matter. I have little emotion on the issue, but do recognize where we are headed. It is not necessary to embrace adverse impacts if there are reasonable alternatives.


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt
Tarqueen not a greenie....but he is Biden voting defund de police dipschit.
[quote=DigitalDan]Was editing the previous as you typed. I suspect you misunderstand where I sit on the matter. I have little emotion on the issue, but do recognize where we are headed. [/color]It is not necessary to embrace adverse impacts if there are reasonable alternatives. [Quote][color:#CC0000]

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Fuggin A.
Tarquin, FWIW, you indicate you're from Idaho. Current population around 2 million, +/-. Same as Florida when I was a rug rat. We have about 22 million these days and that has put a serious crush on our water resources. So what? Well, water, both inland and near shore seas are the largest single contributor to the state's annual gross product, bringing in around $600+ billion/year. Second place is agriculture at around $100 billion/yr. I don't think it prudent to sacrifice #1 to benefit #2 if there are alternatives, and there are quite a few. When a system gets stressed one ought not keep on doin' what they've been doing. We are a land of innovation when challenges arise, and we are faced with a serious problem down here in the swamps.

And 98% of the environuts are perfectly stupid.

While I'm at it, what do you think we should use for fuel when the world runs out of oil? I like hydrogen myself. Lots of it around and lots of bounce to the ounce. Will people that have bad accidents run risk of being in the middle of a fireball? Yep. Do I care? Nope. I just have no desire to hike out to Salmon to visit at my age.
Swamps are socialist.

We need development and strip malls!
Strip malls? Is that like a really big strip bar?

Where!!!???
My favorite is Amateur Night.
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt



I am an Environmentalist.
I heat my house with wood instead of Electricity generated by Coal Generating Plants.
I am For cleaning up all of the dead wood in the forests instead of leaving it to burn uncontrollably Harming Nature.
I am for the Gooberment reversing their regulations on durable goods back to the 15 to 20 year life span that products use to have before they reduced it to 5 years.
This right here would slow down the creation of Chemical Pollution pumped into our Air and Water with things lasting longer so we do not have to replace them so soon after they are manufactured.
I am for Hunting to control the population of some animals so they do not become over populated and Starve during the winter.
And The Biggest Environmental item of all.
I am for Killing the Unruly Law Breakers that think that they have rights over everyone else and Create a Blight on Society.
Killing these 2 legged animals would cut down on Human over population and create fertilizer to grow more plants to generate Oxygen for the entire Earth.

I am an Environmentalist in many other was as well.
An environmentalist is a developer that already has a house in Aspen.


mike r
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt



I am an Environmentalist.
I heat my house with wood instead of Electricity generated by Coal Generating Plants.
I am For cleaning up all of the dead wood in the forests instead of leaving it to burn uncontrollably Harming Nature.
I am for the Gooberment reversing their regulations on durable goods back to the 15 to 20 year life span that products use to have before they reduced it to 5 years.
This right here would slow down the creation of Chemical Pollution pumped into our Air and Water with things lasting longer so we do not have to replace them so soon after they are manufactured.
I am for Hunting to control the population of some animals so they do not become over populated and Starve during the winter.
And The Biggest Environmental item of all.
I am for Killing the Unruly Law Breakers that think that they have rights over everyone else and Create a Blight on Society.
Killing these 2 legged animals would cut down on Human over population and create fertilizer to grow more plants to generate Oxygen for the entire Earth.

I am an Environmentalist in many other was as well.

The forest grows out of dead decayed wood, if you invade the forest and take away all the composting material the forest dies. Also a scrubbed coal plant emits less toxins than your wood fire that vents uncontrolled
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt



Where in the world did you get the idea that non-environmentalist want no forests and mass extinction?
Originally Posted by lvmiker
An environmentalist is a developer that already has a house in Aspen.


mike r


Or a Prarie Reservist with a land development business in Bozeman.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by lvmiker
An environmentalist is a developer that already has a house in Aspen.


mike r


Or a Prarie Reservist with a land development business in Bozeman.


That reminds me of my old neighborhood in CA, which was right on the border of the Oakland and Berkeley hills (i.e., the most progressive place on earth). Most of the people who lived there were Prius driving, save the whales, end global warming, blah blah blah extremists. They also were extreme hypocrites when it came to their own comfort and pleasure.

A wildfire killed a lot of people and did a lot of property damage in the area about 30 years ago and many people blamed the trees. So while these people were telling everyone else to go back to the stone age to save the planet, they were trying to get the state and federal governments to clearcut all the trees in the hills and they started an activist movement to force the clearcutting to take place immediately.

I asked a few of them how they reconciled their extreme green credentials with their desire to clearcut a forest in an urban area and they said it was all about saving lives. They never could explain why their lives were more important than the lives of the trees, the squirrels in the trees, the birds in the trees, the deer in the woods, etc. So to help them out, I started writing responses to the EPA, the CA environmental board and everyone else they were writing to and I pointed out that the fuel load in a typical 3000 sq ft luxury house in the Berkeley/Oakland hills was way more dangerous than the innocent trees, and if saving lives and preventing fires was so important the first step should be to eliminate houses from anywhere that is wooded.

They really didn't appreciate the points I was making and I just kept responding with their own arguments about climate change and the importance of saving the planet. Last I heard, the trees were still there.
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt

Best thing for whitetail deer are clear cuts. Trees grow back in spades.
Ain’t no lower life form.
Hahaha! Bless you Remsen.


Yes, in the Wildland Urban Interface....McMansions are a fuel type.
Originally Posted by Dustyone
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt



I am an Environmentalist.
I heat my house with wood instead of Electricity generated by Coal Generating Plants.
I am For cleaning up all of the dead wood in the forests instead of leaving it to burn uncontrollably Harming Nature.
I am for the Gooberment reversing their regulations on durable goods back to the 15 to 20 year life span that products use to have before they reduced it to 5 years.
This right here would slow down the creation of Chemical Pollution pumped into our Air and Water with things lasting longer so we do not have to replace them so soon after they are manufactured.
I am for Hunting to control the population of some animals so they do not become over populated and Starve during the winter.
And The Biggest Environmental item of all.
I am for Killing the Unruly Law Breakers that think that they have rights over everyone else and Create a Blight on Society.
Killing these 2 legged animals would cut down on Human over population and create fertilizer to grow more plants to generate Oxygen for the entire Earth.

I am an Environmentalist in many other was as well.

The forest grows out of dead decayed wood, if you invade the forest and take away all the composting material the forest dies. Also a scrubbed coal plant emits less toxins than your wood fire that vents uncontrolled



I make sure that I burn a lot of wood in the winter.
It feeds the trees CO2 that they live on and then they in return transform it into O2 that we breath.
Tell Northern Commyfornia right now how great it is to leave to much dead stuff in the Forest.
I know people that live in the mountains in Southern Commyfornia and have had their homes burned out by fires.
because of the dead fall created by the bark beetles killing over populated trees.
The Mountains can only support so many trees with ground water and they need to thin the trees out to make the remaining trees healthy Commyfornia will not let them so the entire system is strained.

Up at my property in Arizona the State is Mandating the clear cutting of entire square miles of State Trust property's.

The Free Range Rancher up in our area is the one being paid to do the cutting.
He leaves the dead carcasses as they call them of the Ceder trees laying where they cut them.
He also holds the Harvest Permit to use the trees for what ever (fire wood , construction material etc.) and he will not allow anyone to move the dead trees.
He says that the dead trees are not a fire hazard That is BS a dead dyed up tree is a 100 times more dangerous than a live Cedar tree.
He says that the dead trees create microorganisms that will create grass lands for his Free Range Cattle.
They have been Clear Cutting now for over 5 years and No Grass No Additional Visible plant life anywhere.
All the Dead trees have done is in the thunderstorms they have washed down steam and plugged our Road Culverts and even wiped out sections of our roads so people can not get in or out of the property's.

The dead trees are also safe havens for the Mice and Rats up in our area that destroy property and crops.

With the influx of people in and out of natures areas there needs to be management and they tax us to manage the forests.
Letting them over grow to natures unsustainable levels is not healthy for the Forests.
Only Moron City Folks think other wise.

We use to be able to go camping in the mountains and gather wood for open fires. This helped clean up the dead fall so that if a fire got started there was less fuel to spread the fire
Do this in Commyfornia and you get a ticket and or arrested.
We need to leave some dead fall on the ground but with the introduction of the Bark Beatles into this country and all of the trees they kill we need to cull out some of those trees for the health of the forests.
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Also a scrubbed coal plant emits less toxins than your wood fire that vents uncontrolled


Is being clueless painful?
Originally Posted by Dustyone


So you do not care if the forest are cut down and all the animals in the forest go extinct. Great idea. So actually every responsible hunter is also an environmentalist as they know the needed relationship between the environment and the hunt

Not true.There are more animals that live off of clear cuts then those that live in an old stand forest with heavy canopy that screens out the undergrowth that animal need for browse.Deer ,grouse,Elk thrive in clear cuts.The animals do not go extinct except for maybe a 3 peckered toad.You are one dumb phuc.
A small percentage of environmentalists are goofballs. Most of them are conservationists that are labeled "environmentalists" by economists that disagree with them.
You western Montana fellas can maybe verify it. But isn’t there huge tracks of timber out the that is dead from beetles? I’ve seen some of the country side out there, hideous.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Strip malls? Is that like a really big strip bar?

Where!!!???


It is a collection of strip bars all in one location.
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