My nephew faces the same timeline. He interviewed for a new job yesterday, accepted it today. Gave up 15 cents/hr. Went from a 35 mile drive up on the Plateau, to a 4 mile drive. Left a defense contractor, to work in a local business.
I did find this at the Federal News site ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Like any other new compliance obligation imposed by the government, contractors want to know what the consequences of failing to comply could be. For example, if a contractor doesn’t have all of its covered employees vaccinated, the government could argue that it is a breach of contract.
“Does that affect your past performance ratings? Does that affect, if you have a contract where the amount you get paid is tied in some way to your compliance with contract requirements, does that affect the amount that you’re going to get paid?” Workmaster said. “Could the government assert a claim for damages for failure to comply with the new mandate, or could they terminate the contract?”
Some of the mandate requirements also conflict with individual state or local laws, but Smith said “the government’s position is clear that these contractual requirements trump any contrary state/local requirements.”
I would love to see the next administration put companies like yours out of business. If DeSantis were smart, and Trump too, he would announce his intention to do that right now. Announce his intention to issue on Day One of his administration an executive order cancelling all government contracts with companies who imposed a vaccine mandate.
We may as well set the stage for good against evil and clearly define the issues.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
Governor [bleep] Brown's mandate is for all state employees to be fully vaccinated by 10/18/21 or lose your job. That means you would've had to have received your last jab by 10/4/21 to be considered fully vaccinated by that deadline.
There's an article in the Oregonian today that states 50% of Oregon DOC employees are unvaccinated as of yesterday. Prisons are already short staffed and have been running on mandatory overtime for at least the past three years. Interesting times ahead.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
What's laughable is that the Post Office with 500K employees who interface far and wide with the public everyday are not subject to the mandate. Apparently, the post office union is mulling over the issue but does not currently have to comply because of the union contract.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
The company I work for does both Gov and Commercial work. Because we do Gov work, we have to abide by all Government rules and regs for all contracts in order to keep our "standing" with the various agencies in order to get future Gov contracts. Our CFO and Contracts people came to me (COO) all worried that we needed to abide by the Vaccine mandate, since technically we are Gov contractors, and thinking we were going to lose our staff because we'd need to fire all of our employees who haven't been vaccinated. I told them I would enforce a vaccine mandate, that getting the vaccine was a personal decision, and I would not make that a requirement of our workforce.
What I found out that day was that our Financial and Contracts people just comply with every thing that comes down the pike from the Gov without question since they are constantly threatened with all of these ridiculous, over-the-top punishments (10 years in jail, loss of all contracts, hung by your fingernails, etc.). In any case, if the Gov gets a hard-on and wants to screw you (as a company), they certainly can, whether it has to do with Vaccines or any other little regulation that they think you didn't follow. They can cancel all your contracts, refuse payments for work already performed, require audit after audit, and will black list you so you never receive a Gov contract ever again. It's pretty difficult to fight back and win. Ask any larger Gov contractor like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. how successful they are whenever they challenge a Gov decision on a contract. But...the chances of them doing that with regard to the vaccine mandate are pretty slim unless the Drive-by media and Biden personally set out to ruin you and make you an example. I assess that risk as very low.
I finally told the worriers that they can send the Gov people to me if anyone ever starts asking about our Vaccine compliance. At which time I will vouch that all of my employees have done so to the best of my knowledge, but I have no proof since I did not want to violate any HIPAA laws by asking about and/or gathering personal medical information. The worriers went away and I haven't heard anymore about it.
The company I work for does both Gov and Commercial work. Because we do Gov work, we have to abide by all Government rules and regs for all contracts in order to keep our "standing" with the various agencies in order to get future Gov contracts. Our CFO and Contracts people came to me (COO) all worried that we needed to abide by the Vaccine mandate, since technically we are Gov contractors, and thinking we were going to lose our staff because we'd need to fire all of our employees who haven't been vaccinated. I told them I would enforce a vaccine mandate, that getting the vaccine was a personal decision, and I would not make that a requirement of our workforce.
What I found out that day was that our Financial and Contracts people just comply with every thing that comes down the pike from the Gov without question since they are constantly threatened with all of these ridiculous, over-the-top punishments (10 years in jail, loss of all contracts, hung by your fingernails, etc.). In any case, if the Gov gets a hard-on and wants to screw you (as a company), they certainly can, whether it has to do with Vaccines or any other little regulation that they think you didn't follow. They can cancel all your contracts, refuse payments for work already performed, require audit after audit, and will black list you so you never receive a Gov contract ever again. It's pretty difficult to fight back and win. Ask any larger Gov contractor like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. how successful they are whenever they challenge a Gov decision on a contract. But...the chances of them doing that with regard to the vaccine mandate are pretty slim unless the Drive-by media and Biden personally set out to ruin you and make you an example. I assess that risk as very low.
I finally told the worriers that they can send the Gov people to me if anyone ever starts asking about our Vaccine compliance. At which time I will vouch that all of my employees have done so to the best of my knowledge, but I have no proof since I did not want to violate any HIPAA laws by asking about and/or gathering personal medical information. The worriers went away and I haven't heard anymore about it.
You must work for one of those mom and pop operations.
There would be no USA unless brave men risked their families and their fortunes for a life without tyrannical government .
Let everyone in on your plan there Mr.! Unless your still trying to make a record number of posts in a years time! Let us hear something besides the douche flowing down the drain, after your done flushing your t wat!
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
All .gov contracts have a provision allowing "termination for convenience" by .gov. No reason needed.
In addition, depending on if there's an OSHA mandate (I don't know if there is or not) you can be fined or even shut down until you comply.
I finally told the worriers that they can send the Gov people to me if anyone ever starts asking about our Vaccine compliance. At which time I will vouch that all of my employees have done so to the best of my knowledge, but I have no proof since I did not want to violate any HIPAA laws by asking about and/or gathering personal medical information. The worriers went away and I haven't heard anymore about it.
If one employee reports you to OHSA for non-compliance, you will be audited (investigated) by OHSA and fined for this.
There would be no USA unless brave men risked their families and their fortunes for a life without tyrannical government .
Let everyone in on your plan there Mr.! Unless your still trying to make a record number of posts in a years time! Let us hear something besides the douche flowing down the drain, after your done flushing your t wat!
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
No questions allowed in Sticksville.
LOL
You don't know anything about how government contracts work. Stop making a fool out of yourself.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
All .gov contracts have a provision allowing "termination for convenience" by .gov. No reason needed.
In addition, depending on if there's an OSHA mandate (I don't know if there is or not) you can be fined or even shut down until you comply.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
No questions allowed in Sticksville.
LOL
You don't know anything about how government contracts work. Stop making a fool out of yourself.
I finally told the worriers that they can send the Gov people to me if anyone ever starts asking about our Vaccine compliance. At which time I will vouch that all of my employees have done so to the best of my knowledge, but I have no proof since I did not want to violate any HIPAA laws by asking about and/or gathering personal medical information. The worriers went away and I haven't heard anymore about it.
If one employee reports you to OHSA for non-compliance, you will be audited (investigated) by OHSA and fined for this.
There would be no USA unless brave men risked their families and their fortunes for a life without tyrannical government .
Let everyone in on your plan there Mr.! Unless your still trying to make a record number of posts in a years time! Let us hear something besides the douche flowing down the drain, after your done flushing your t wat!
I’m not getting the jab you f a g
In other words no plan , just lip service as usual. Weak response but nothing else was expected. It's always the one with latent homosexual tendencies that start calling others they don't agree with or know f ag. 😆😆
There would be no USA unless brave men risked their families and their fortunes for a life without tyrannical government .
Let everyone in on your plan there Mr.! Unless your still trying to make a record number of posts in a years time! Let us hear something besides the douche flowing down the drain, after your done flushing your t wat!
I’m not getting the jab you f a g
In other words no plan , just lip service as usual. Weak response but nothing else was expected. It's always the one with latent homosexual tendencies that start calling others they don't agree with or know f ag. 😆😆
There would be no USA unless brave men risked their families and their fortunes for a life without tyrannical government .
Let everyone in on your plan there Mr.! Unless your still trying to make a record number of posts in a years time! Let us hear something besides the douche flowing down the drain, after your done flushing your t wat!
I’m not getting the jab you f a g
In other words no plan , just lip service as usual. Weak response but nothing else was expected. It's always the one with latent homosexual tendencies that start calling others they don't agree with or know f ag. 😆😆
It’s not my fault the truth offends you
Not offended just trying to bring something out of you besides, some unoriginal comment. While trying to convince yourself you are better, smarter, and more interesting than others here! So again whats your plan? Other than keeping your flap going, you have shown nothing.
Isn’t there something in constitution that limits federal power to that defined in the constitution? Is forced vaccine mandates in the constitution some place I don’t know about?
The company I work for only mandates vaccines for those people working in a site, which isn’t me. But as a private company they have the legal right unless prohibited by law like in Texas and MT.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
Apparently you have not held/managed a multi-billion dollar contract. Language to the minutia all managed via risk/reward. In bad times we dictated the language (oil low), in good times (oil high) not so much.
How does a Sheriff in Southern California say he will not follow the vaccine and loose 15% of his deputies over night? Will the tax payer’s pay the fine for that too?
If you are truly confident that the vaccines are not part of a plan to drop the worlds population to 750 million, that there are no reported side effects other than the known 48 thousands deaths, heart muscle inflammation, other weird things then take the shot. Personally I would take my chances and retire as a commercial catfisherman.
Threats are treats till there not. My nephew a Pharmacist, gave a two week notice due to the vaccine rule at the hospital he was employed. The last day of his employment HR stated take a day off and come back as a per dime employee making more money, he took the pay raise and temporarily removed his house from the market, !
First OSHA p h a g to walk into my office is getting shown the door. If they resist, we’re monkey stomping a mud puddle in their ass. Gotta start somewhere.
First OSHA p h a g to walk into my office is getting shown the door. If they resist, we’re monkey stomping a mud puddle in their ass. Gotta start somewhere.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Pass. I’m not cool with being mandated by .gov to receive a new class of vaccine with no liabilities to the manufacturer and no honest disclosure of side effects, especially for a virus that I lose absolutely zero sleep over. I’ll be damned if I would do it to save my employer a few beans. Your logic sucks.
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Pass. I’m not cool with being mandated by .gov to receive a new class of vaccine with no liabilities to the manufacturer and no honest disclosure of side effects, especially for a virus that I lose absolutely zero sleep over. I’ll be damned if I would do it to save my employer a few beans. Your logic sucks.
My logic has nothing to do with paranoid tin foil hatters who believe the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease which it helps to reduce the effects of. It has to do with employers trying to run a company profitably.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Soooo Fugkin gay! LMAO!
How’d it feel to be beholden to another man to provide your existence?! LMAO you phagg.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
1 Your question does nothing to address the risk/reward ratio of Vax vs unvaxed employees.
2 Nor does it address the expenses of paid sick leave for ill or quarantined employees. Nor the expense of paying others at overtime rate to cover for absent employees.
3 What health insurance company will offer a group policy for less than 10% over actual cost of benefits paid out?
I am really anxious for an answer to this last question as medical cost is directly subtracted from our wage/benefit package. Any reduction in health coverage expenses we can help the employer to achieve may be taken a direct wage increase.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
1 Your question does nothing to address the risk/reward ratio of Vax vs unvaxed employees.
2 Nor does it address the expenses of paid sick leave for ill or quarantined employees. Nor the expense of paying others at overtime rate to cover for absent employees.
3 What health insurance company will offer a group policy for less than 10% over actual cost of benefits paid out?
I am really anxious for an answer to this last question as medical cost is directly subtracted from our wage/benefit package. Any reduction in health coverage expenses we can help the employer to achieve may be taken a direct wage increase.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Pass. I’m not cool with being mandated by .gov to receive a new class of vaccine with no liabilities to the manufacturer and no honest disclosure of side effects, especially for a virus that I lose absolutely zero sleep over. I’ll be damned if I would do it to save my employer a few beans. Your logic sucks.
My logic has nothing to do with paranoid tin foil hatters who believe the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease which it helps to reduce the effects of. It has to do with employers trying to run a company profitably.
Enjoy your unpaid unemployment.
I could use a vacation. That said, I made more money this year than I ever have. The same could be said for the year before, and the year before that, and so on. Turns out, I, and about 400 other people like me, are the driving force of revenue for my employer. They know better than to poke the bear.
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
I would assume that is why the company isn't doing anything until December 8
I'm not sure why some companies are jumping on it early.
Why companies are jumping in? Grow balls?
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
This has been up on the OSHA website for a couple months:
“DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904's recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.”
All of a sudden OSHA is not interested in reporting requirements🤣
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
Originally Posted by deflave
[quote=Huntz]The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
The guy from Wisconsin is correct.
Originally Posted by deflave
[quote=Huntz]The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
Unfortunately they're a chity cult. Not a useful cult like the Jonestown idiots that solve the problem for us.
I. S.: I believe your argument is based on what I believe is the false premise that a vaccinated work force will use less medical care expense and lose less time off from work. That is far from proven. And now it seems a real possibility that vaccinated people are left wide open to variants of this virus much more so than those with naturally acquired immunity. We are a long ways from knowing how the unvaxxed vs. the vaxxed scenario will play out. I understand you've been vaccinated as have been people close to me. I hope it works out well for you and them but I'm fearful it won't. Any thinking person would have to believe at the very least this CV-19 scare has induced a huge over reaction.
How’d it feel to be beholden to another man to provide your existence?! LMAO you phagg.
You tell me. Do you exist in this world without accepting payment from any person for services rendered?
I am reimbursed a fair amount for services rendered. You?
I guess you are just as phaggy as I.
I do, but my clients don’t give a damn if I’m vaccinated. I don’t work with covtards. I decide who I work with just as much as they decide if they want to work with me. Turds get flushed. Life is too short to take crap from someone you don’t like.
It seems odd to me, that .GOV can change the conditions of a contract and change them mid stream. If a contract bid has been accepted by both parties, it is binding until both parties agree to change it, no?
Apparently you have not held/managed a multi-billion dollar contract. Language to the minutia all managed via risk/reward. In bad times we dictated the language (oil low), in good times (oil high) not so much.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
I. S.: I believe your argument is based on what I believe is the false premise that a vaccinated work force will use less medical care expense and lose less time off from work. That is far from proven. And now it seems a real possibility that vaccinated people are left wide open to variants of this virus much more so than those with naturally acquired immunity. We are a long ways from knowing how the unvaxxed vs. the vaxxed scenario will play out. I understand you've been vaccinated as have been people close to me. I hope it works out well for you and them but I'm fearful it won't. Any thinking person would have to believe at the very least this CV-19 scare has induced a huge over reaction.
Any thinking person would recognize there is just as much chicanery and bullschitt coming from what the far right considers reliable sources as there is from left wing sources.
Both sides are using this disease for political maneuvering and to cause irreparable division of the nation's populace. The far right is as guilty as the far left.
How in the Hell did it ever become a religious matter? Manipulation of the masses by any means possible.
The facts in Idaho are: (as I remember the report I read at 6:30 AM Thursday)
Only 10% of Idaho hospitalized Covid patients are vaxxed. Only 2% of ICU Covid patients are vaxxed, with the vast majority of those being afflicted with severe comorbidities such as late stage cancer.
Kind of puts the lie to the statement that the Vax offers no protection and is dangerous.
But hey, humans have never let facts stand in the way of their religious beliefs.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
1 Your question does nothing to address the risk/reward ratio of Vax vs unvaxed employees.
2 Nor does it address the expenses of paid sick leave for ill or quarantined employees. Nor the expense of paying others at overtime rate to cover for absent employees.
3 What health insurance company will offer a group policy for less than 10% over actual cost of benefits paid out?
I am really anxious for an answer to this last question as medical cost is directly subtracted from our wage/benefit package. Any reduction in health coverage expenses we can help the employer to achieve may be taken a direct wage increase.
Covid-19 has been a boon for health insurance company balance sheets.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
Was your wife vaccinated?
No, she was scared by stories of "Mark of the Beast", magnetism, and tracking chips. Can not hardly blame her for that. Far more educated individuals on this board have succumbed to the same irrational fears.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Again, no rebuttal. Inane insults. Equals tacit agreement.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
1 Your question does nothing to address the risk/reward ratio of Vax vs unvaxed employees.
2 Nor does it address the expenses of paid sick leave for ill or quarantined employees. Nor the expense of paying others at overtime rate to cover for absent employees.
3 What health insurance company will offer a group policy for less than 10% over actual cost of benefits paid out?
I am really anxious for an answer to this last question as medical cost is directly subtracted from our wage/benefit package. Any reduction in health coverage expenses we can help the employer to achieve may be taken a direct wage increase.
Covid-19 has been a boon for health insurance company balance sheets.
Please elaborate. Are their extraordinary costs being offset by feds?
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
We can’t all be winners.
Don’t worry. You’re not.
I’m in my mid 30’s, make 6 figures, have a paid off half million dollar house and I’m married to a doctor. You?
Idaho_shooter, I think we are talking past each other. This is an issue of freedom versus servitude.... some value freedom.... even though you may not
Only thing he values is the morning after pill.
He’s a COVTARD.
The covtard religion is the damnest thing..... a regular cult like following, ready to flush freedom down the toilet for a perception of security. All based on lies Guess freedom is not for everyone
We can’t all be winners.
Don’t worry. You’re not.
I’m in my mid 30’s, make 6 figures, have a paid off half million dollar house and I’m married to a doctor. You?
Only read the first 7 pages so I'm sure nobody's thought to go to a Doc in box clinic and ask for vax proof for $10.00 and bring 100 of your coworkers. Immoral illegal intelligent cause greed runs companies and ol'doc with $125000.00 in med school debt would sign off on it in a heartbeat.
Say no Docs would? I just point to big pharma and ask the difference.
I. S.: I believe your argument is based on what I believe is the false premise that a vaccinated work force will use less medical care expense and lose less time off from work. That is far from proven. And now it seems a real possibility that vaccinated people are left wide open to variants of this virus much more so than those with naturally acquired immunity. We are a long ways from knowing how the unvaxxed vs. the vaxxed scenario will play out. I understand you've been vaccinated as have been people close to me. I hope it works out well for you and them but I'm fearful it won't. Any thinking person would have to believe at the very least this CV-19 scare has induced a huge over reaction.
Any thinking person would recognize there is just as much chicanery and bullschitt coming from what the far right considers reliable sources as there is from left wing sources.
Both sides are using this disease for political maneuvering and to cause irreparable division of the nation's populace. The far right is as guilty as the far left.
How in the Hell did it ever become a religious matter? Manipulation of the masses by any means possible.
The facts in Idaho are: (as I remember the report I read at 6:30 AM Thursday)
Only 10% of Idaho hospitalized Covid patients are vaxxed. Only 2% of ICU Covid patients are vaxxed, with the vast majority of those being afflicted with severe comorbidities such as late stage cancer.
Kind of puts the lie to the statement that the Vax offers no protection and is dangerous.
But hey, humans have never let facts stand in the way of their religious beliefs.
Wouldn't you think the huge cost incurred by businesses such as the one you associate with are the result of the reaction to the slightest hint that someone might have CV-19. Flu is deadly but a business generally hasn't in the past had an overblown reaction if it finds out an employee is sharing a home with an active flu case. As a matter of fact people with flu have routinely kept working, have sent their kids to school, and businesses were not running around policing employees with thermometers and insisting employees leave if their temp is 99.7. This time it's different and I believe the hysterical over reaction is the biggest cause of expense to businesses such as yours and has without any justification caused people in the USA to stand by docile while our economy has been strangled probably fatally.
Just curious, was your wife vaccinated? And did you stay home because she was too sick to be alone or was it a matter of quarantine because of your exposure?
Any thinking person would recognize there is just as much chicanery and bullschitt coming from what the far right considers reliable sources as there is from left wing sources.
Any thinking person would see through this and realize that Big Pharma seized a giant opportunity.
Both sides are using this disease for political maneuvering and to cause irreparable division of the nation's populace. The far right is as guilty as the far left.
How in the Hell did it ever become a religious matter? Manipulation of the masses by any means possible.
Like telling Americans the vaccine will end COVID?
The facts in Idaho are: (as I remember the report I read at 6:30 AM Thursday)
Only 10% of Idaho hospitalized Covid patients are vaxxed. Only 2% of ICU Covid patients are vaxxed, with the vast majority of those being afflicted with severe comorbidities such as late stage cancer.
So this vaccine doesn't actually stop one from getting the COVID? Is that actually what the true definition of a vaccine is?
Kind of puts the lie to the statement that the Vax offers no protection and is dangerous.
If one can still catch and pass the COVID after 'vaccination' the only thing accomplished is more spreading[many times by an unknowing individual], that's a good thing?
But hey, humans have never let facts stand in the way of their religious beliefs.
I love the statements like on 10% of the hospitalizations are vaxed. Folks, look no further than Israel, highest vaccination rate in the world. 60% of their hospitalizations are vaxed. They flat out don’t know what to do, the jab doesn’t work, and we are likely only months away from coming to that full realization here in the US. Think people, it’s not hard.
We still only have 55%-60% of the country vaxed, and that number isn’t going to move much more. Luckily people are starting to wake up.
I’m not vaccinated and not worried about losing my job. I’m also leaving for an elk hunt with some of my Marine buddies in about three weeks.
With that said, are any of us free? Seems to me like we’re all getting the shaft these days, whether that’s through taxes or what have you. I think old TZone needs to go back and work on his reading comprehension.
For me freedom is the #1 issue here. Freedom comes before a job, before money, before safety and security etc.... give me freedom and I will provide all these things for myself and loved ones. Pretty simple really A wise man once said you trade freedom for security , you get neither.... or something like that...
I’m not vaccinated and not worried about losing my job. I’m also leaving for an elk hunt with some of my Marine buddies in about three weeks.
With that said, are any of us free? Seems to me like we’re all getting the shaft these days, whether that’s through taxes or what have you. I think old TZone needs to go back and work on his reading comprehension.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Again, no rebuttal. Inane insults. Equals tacit agreement.
You’re so stupid your own wife won’t listen to you.
Biden will pull the contracts if the company doesn't comply
Uhhh…
How?
I hate to agree with Flave, but hes right(sorta) without explaining.
What current contracts are you working on? FY19? FY20? Not going to pull them. FY21? Debatable, but..probably not going to pull them either. Agencies are scrambling to all get on the same page to meet Bidens goals. Doesnt matter....companies fear losing dollars so theyre folding.
In our case, the company employs over 2000 full time employees and possibly 4000 seasonal employees.
A few months ago management offered us $100 to get vaccinated. (I already was). Today there was a letter posted on the board. That incentive has been increased to $1000 for full time employees with benefits and $200 for seasonal (uninsured) employees.
So why is a small company with a marginal profit margin offering such incentives to get employees vaccinated?
Because a vaccinated workforce is a less expensive workforce.
As an example, my wife's recent Covid related hospitalization cost my employer (self insured) $23,000 plus 10% Blue Cross handling fee just for the hospital. I have not seen related charges from radiology etc yet. They also covered my wages at 100% sick leave for two weeks while I was home taking care of my sick wife.
This company has spent HUGE amounts to cover sick leave benefits this year and last. It has also spent a like amount in overtime to pay people to cover the positions of those out sick with Covid or on quarantine.
Between sick leave benefits, Hospital insurance costs, and overtime to cover vacant positions, Covid is bleeding corporate America dry.
Of course Corporations are doing anything they can to encourage and perhaps to even force their employees to get vaccinated.
As far as contract language goes, our contract specifically states that it is subservient to state and federal law. Those of us working in Oregon have state mandated benefits not listed in the contract nor available to Idaho employees.
Bottom line: If you owned the company, and it was all the sudden operating at a loss for the last two years because of Covid related expenses, How long will you let it run that way?
Let it go bankrupt? Lose all you have invested? Leave your workforce unemployed?
Or perhaps ask them to accept a vaccination which will save the company and thus their employment?
Maybe your employer should get out of the self insured game.... since Obama federalized health care it is guaranteed to get incredibly expensive.... do idiots own your company?
1 Your question does nothing to address the risk/reward ratio of Vax vs unvaxed employees.
2 Nor does it address the expenses of paid sick leave for ill or quarantined employees. Nor the expense of paying others at overtime rate to cover for absent employees.
3 What health insurance company will offer a group policy for less than 10% over actual cost of benefits paid out?
I am really anxious for an answer to this last question as medical cost is directly subtracted from our wage/benefit package. Any reduction in health coverage expenses we can help the employer to achieve may be taken a direct wage increase.
Couple quick questions for ya.
1. How do you measure freedom?
2. How do you measure the right to control what goes into your own body? My friend and I were just discussing this one yesterday. If you don't have the right to control what goes into your own body, you have no rights at all.
I love the statements like on 10% of the hospitalizations are vaxed. Folks, look no further than Israel, highest vaccination rate in the world. 60% of their hospitalizations are vaxed. They flat out don’t know what to do, the jab doesn’t work, and we are likely only months away from coming to that full realization here in the US. Think people, it’s not hard.
We still only have 55%-60% of the country vaxed, and that number isn’t going to move much more. Luckily people are starting to wake up.
Thats because these shots are putting folks in the hospital, but since it was after the first shot and/or second shot and within the 14 days until you are considered fully vaxxed....they are calling a lot of these hospitalizations as "unvaxxed" thus skewing the numbers to make the unvaxxed look like they are the problem...and not the shots that put them in the hospital.
Buddies dad went to hospital with low blood pressure after his shot, I'm sure it just counted towards those unvaxxed numbers.
Biden will pull the contracts if the company doesn't comply
Uhhh…
How?
I hate to agree with Flave, but hes right(sorta) without explaining.
What current contracts are you working on? FY19? FY20? Not going to pull them. FY21? Debatable, but..probably not going to pull them either. Agencies are scrambling to all get on the same page to meet Bidens goals. Doesnt matter....companies fear losing dollars so theyre folding.
Biden will pull the contracts if the company doesn't comply
Uhhh…
How?
I hate to agree with Flave, but hes right(sorta) without explaining.
What current contracts are you working on? FY19? FY20? Not going to pull them. FY21? Debatable, but..probably not going to pull them either. Agencies are scrambling to all get on the same page to meet Bidens goals. Doesnt matter....companies fear losing dollars so theyre folding.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
hes a brain washed Biden luvin' union zombie don't waste your time
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by irfubar
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Again, no rebuttal. Inane insults. Equals tacit agreement.
You’re so stupid your own wife won’t listen to you.
They WANT to impose it. If critical contractors told .gov to FU, .gov would fold
This because…
Originally Posted by Huntz
The whole thing is THERE IS NO F U C K I N G MANDATE.Only talk of one.No one has to comply with something that is yet to exist.Companies need to grow some balls a say no to the Fuggtards.
This
The leftist assclown at the helm of my company would love to fire everyone who isn’t vaccinated but can’t because we’re publicly traded and critical functions would be effected.
If an OSHA reg comes down, he’ll be happy to enforce it tho.
The tyrants have really been emboldened by what happened to the last admin & by what this one has gotten away with.
I would love to see the next administration put companies like yours out of business. If DeSantis were smart, and Trump too, he would announce his intention to do that right now. Announce his intention to issue on Day One of his administration an executive order cancelling all government contracts with companies who imposed a vaccine mandate.
We may as well set the stage for good against evil and clearly define the issues.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
Yep. Apparently so. And also apparently not made any strides to insulate himself financially from being cannon fodder for the .gov and corporate marxists.
I'm comfortably retired and still work at this every day.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".Damn, will you ust
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Damn, do you ever shut up? You're the reason for blocking people. Grown men don't end their thoughts with LOL
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
good time to be looking for a job. i got laid off in march and got a new one and now wonder why i didn't do it before. sounds like you have some time to look.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
Already BTDT, and told them to GFY.. twice. Made way more $$ in less time with my own businesses than I would have staying yoked to those marxists / commies for the rest of my working career. Got several friends that did same.
BTW- do what I want, when I want, where I want, with whom I want. It's a great feeling. Running multiple small businesses does have its headaches. But, it sure beats kissing marxist / commie ass.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
That is a recipe for failure.... why would I do that?
It’s so obvious our own government has had us trained as sheep for decades at the very minimum . It’s hilarious when sheep have emotional outbursts when the truth slaps them in the face .
Listen KWFA, I understand having the mirror held up is an unpleasant experience. But you will become either a cog in the evil machine as it appears you have resigned yourself to or be a patriot. The irony is the evil machine will use you up and discard you regardless of your servitude.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
That is a recipe for failure.... why would I do that?
exactly, we see each other posts in the same light now.
Listen KWFA, I understand having the mirror held up is an unpleasant experience. But you will become either a cog in the evil machine as it appears you have resigned yourself to or be a patriot. The irony is the evil machine will use you up and discard you regardless of your servitude.
no, what the mirror is that you expect me to make some huge sacrifice in the name of your perception of what freedom is, while you sit behind the keyboard and your life doesn't change.
you want to prove what patriotism is to me? then don't do it in a 12 pt font on a message board. Go out and make some sacrifices - not something you've already done, not talking about what you did 12 years ago - go out and be the change you expect in me.
Then we can talk about what I am willing and not willing to do in a meaningful dialog.
I'm from Missouri when it comes to defining patriotism.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
That is a recipe for failure.... why would I do that?
exactly, we see each other posts in the same light now.
I understand your point but your premise is wrong.... at this point in our counties history you are either a part of the problem or part of the solution.... you have chosen foolishly
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".Damn, will you ust
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Damn, do you ever shut up? You're the reason for blocking people. Grown men don't end their thoughts with LOL
Biden will pull the contracts if the company doesn't comply
Uhhh…
How?
I hate to agree with Flave, but hes right(sorta) without explaining.
What current contracts are you working on? FY19? FY20? Not going to pull them. FY21? Debatable, but..probably not going to pull them either. Agencies are scrambling to all get on the same page to meet Bidens goals. Doesnt matter....companies fear losing dollars so theyre folding.
hes a brain washed Biden luvin' union zombie don't waste your time
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by irfubar
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Again, no rebuttal. Inane insults. Equals tacit agreement.
You’re so stupid your own wife won’t listen to you.
Listen KWFA, I understand having the mirror held up is an unpleasant experience. But you will become either a cog in the evil machine as it appears you have resigned yourself to or be a patriot. The irony is the evil machine will use you up and discard you regardless of your servitude.
no, what the mirror is that you expect me to make some huge sacrifice in the name of your perception of what freedom is, while you sit behind the keyboard and your life doesn't change.
you want to prove what patriotism is to me? then don't do it in a 12 pt font on a message board. Go out and make some sacrifices - not something you've already done, not talking about what you did 12 years ago - go out and be the change you expect in me.
Then we can talk about what I am willing and not willing to do in a meaningful dialog.
I'm from Missouri when it comes to defining patriotism.
Yes KWFA I anticipated these problems years ago and took real action to insulate myself from them. Now I can stand up for rugged individualism, freedom and the constitution via this forum... I suspect at times hundreds maybe thousands can read my post and thoughts and I can only hope I am somewhat of an inspiration to fellow freedom minded individuals. Hard to get sheep to see the light though, even at this late stage of the game
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
You obviously don't understand freedom. Freedom is living my life to make me happy, not to make you happy.
How does your company survive a bad flu year? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the cost of health care.... maybe they should stick to processing potato's or whatever it is they do
I have been with this company for forty years. In those years nothing has come anywhere close to the expenses incurred over the last two years.
We know exactly what the cost of our Ins coverage is because every three to five years it is laid out on the table as part of our contracted wage package.
This is in no way comparable to even the worst of "bad flu years".Damn, will you ust
That is exactly what our insurance does. It mitigates the cost of health care 20/80.
Yes, it is pleasant to engage in an intelligent conversation with the nice you.
You have the intellect of a street sign.
A really, really gay street sign.
LOL
Damn, do you ever shut up? You're the reason for blocking people. Grown men don't end their thoughts with LOL
I'll say this: Anybody[any damned body] that survived and kept a self owned business going from prior to-to through the Obama years knows sacrifice.
Amen brother.... and we can add covid to that list
No shit!
You raise an interesting point.... KWFA likes to talk about sacrifice and how I am not willing to sacrifice for freedom..... he has no clue the sacrifices I have made in life to get to a point where I am as independent as a man can be in our current political climate.... he also has no clue of the risk I took to get here... at times genuine hardship. I lived in a travel trailer for 7 years , through 5 Montana winters. I remember sitting on the floor in front of the electric heater and breaking ice in the toilet. I worked for free for several years building my business's.... I think my plan was smarter than living in a tent on the capitol lawn and protesting as KWFA suggested I do to prove myself. Civil disobedience is a thing and millions are participating at great personal expense, I may ad....... 43 million quit working and feeding the beast in August alone, but KWFA is worried about a paycheck and pension.... well ok
I just quit my job yesterday. But, I have to thank Joe Biden - I wouldn't have been looking for a new job if it wasn't for him and the one I found pays twice as much with no mandate.
I just quit my job yesterday. But, I have to thank Joe Biden - I wouldn't have been looking for a new job if it wasn't for him and the one I found pays twice as much with no mandate.
I'll say this: Anybody[any damned body] that survived and kept a self owned business going from prior to-to through the Obama years knows sacrifice.
Amen brother.... and we can add covid to that list
No shit!
You raise an interesting point.... KWFA likes to talk about sacrifice and how I am not willing to sacrifice for freedom..... he has no clue the sacrifices I have made in life to get to a point where I am as independent as a man can be in our current political climate.... he also has no clue of the risk I took to get here... at times genuine hardship. I lived in a travel trailer for 7 years , through 5 Montana winters. I remember sitting on the floor in front of the electric heater and breaking ice in the toilet. I worked for free for several years building my business's.... I think my plan was smarter than living in a tent on the capitol lawn and protesting as KWFA suggested I do to prove myself. Civil disobedience is a thing and millions are participating at great personal expense, I may ad....... 43 million quit working and feeding the beast in August alone, but KWFA is worried about a paycheck and pension.... well ok
you're right I have no clue
you're a 12 point font on a message board
I don't know if you are saying schit on here because you're bored and you getting a rise out of someone breaks up an otherwise nothing day - as I suspect that fits a few people on here as of late, a couple of which have posted on here today.
and honestly I might listen to someone on here when it comes to creating a hot bullet load or fixing a mower head, but when it comes to making decisions that jeopardize my ability to take care of my family - yea, that's going to be a hard pass on me regardless of how its framed.
and for the record, I don't like to talk about sacrifice, I just don't particularly care for someone judging my situation and what I've done based on nothing more than I relayed what happened in a management meeting at my company.
I'll say this: Anybody[any damned body] that survived and kept a self owned business going from prior to-to through the Obama years knows sacrifice.
Amen brother.... and we can add covid to that list
No shit!
You raise an interesting point.... KWFA likes to talk about sacrifice and how I am not willing to sacrifice for freedom..... he has no clue the sacrifices I have made in life to get to a point where I am as independent as a man can be in our current political climate.... he also has no clue of the risk I took to get here... at times genuine hardship. I lived in a travel trailer for 7 years , through 5 Montana winters. I remember sitting on the floor in front of the electric heater and breaking ice in the toilet. I worked for free for several years building my business's.... I think my plan was smarter than living in a tent on the capitol lawn and protesting as KWFA suggested I do to prove myself. Civil disobedience is a thing and millions are participating at great personal expense, I may ad....... 43 million quit working and feeding the beast in August alone, but KWFA is worried about a paycheck and pension.... well ok
you're right I have no clue
you're a 12 point font on a message board
I don't know if you are saying schit on here because you're bored and you getting a rise out of someone breaks up an otherwise nothing day - as I suspect that fits a few people on here as of late, a couple of which have posted on here today.
and honestly I might listen to someone on here when it comes to creating a hot bullet load or fixing a mower head, but when it comes to making decisions that jeopardize my ability to take care of my family - yea, that's going to be a hard pass on me.
and for the record, I don't like to talk about sacrifice, I just don't particularly care for someone judging my situation and what I've done based on the nothing more than I relayed what happened in a management meeting at my company.
As I said earlier security over freedom.... it's a choice..... not a wise one in my opinion, but you feel it is right for you.... time will tell
The OP posted what he posted because he wants to feel like he’s not a COVTARD.
It’s his form of affirmation. “See I had to do it anyway.”
Same for pahick. The reality is they were and are scared and cannot think for themselves.
They are COVTARDS.
uh no , I posted it because I was stunned we could lose up to 400 people that are very valuable to our company by December 8. People that we can't replace.
to be wrong so often while completely convinced you know everything must a be a gift.
Fellas, vaccine requirements within a company have nothing to do with a .gov mandate.
What is being offered is a carrot or stick from insurance companies. Achieve 80% or greater Covid vaccination rates of your employees, or face huge employee healthcare insurance premiums. Exceed the 80% threshold, and health insurers are offering discounts and kickbacks.
I suspect many companies using "no vaccine requirements" as a recruiting tool, will flip once they are faced with eye-popping insurance premium increases.
Actually, that is bullshit.
I read the health insurance trade journals and there was an article specifically about this subject. As of now, there are NO (ZERO) insurance companies who plan to raise rates for the unvaccinated or due to non-vaccination. Not in the health insurance industry and not in the life insurance industry.
Then why don’t you just STFU and leave? Nobody gives a damn about you, your stupid company, your stupid meeting, or your dumbass opinions. STFU and leave you gamma bitch.
Then why don’t you just STFU and leave? Nobody gives a damn about you, your stupid company, your stupid meeting, or your dumbass opinions. STFU and leave you gamma bitch.
Then why don’t you just STFU and leave? Nobody gives a damn about you, your stupid company, your stupid meeting, or your dumbass opinions. STFU and leave you gamma bitch.
9 pages in and you decide you don't care?
I think you doth protest too much
don't get so emotional Joe Bob
No, you’re the one who said you don’t care what people here say. You’re an attention whore bitch.
Then why don’t you just STFU and leave? Nobody gives a damn about you, your stupid company, your stupid meeting, or your dumbass opinions. STFU and leave you gamma bitch.
9 pages in and you decide you don't care?
I think you doth protest too much
don't get so emotional Joe Bob
No, you’re the one who said you don’t care what people here say. You’re an attention whore bitch.
I read the health insurance trade journals and there was an article specifically about this subject. As of now, there are NO (ZERO) insurance companies who plan to raise rates for the unvaccinated or due to non-vaccination. Not in the health insurance industry and not in the life insurance industry.
I can't help but wonder if that is more "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" tactic?
The OP posted what he posted because he wants to feel like he’s not a COVTARD.
It’s his form of affirmation. “See I had to do it anyway.”
Same for pahick. The reality is they were and are scared and cannot think for themselves.
They are COVTARDS.
uh no , I posted it because I was stunned we could lose up to 400 people that are very valuable to our company by December 8. People that we can't replace.
to be wrong so often while completely convinced you know everything must a be a gift.
Then why don’t you just STFU and leave? Nobody gives a damn about you, your stupid company, your stupid meeting, or your dumbass opinions. STFU and leave you gamma bitch.
9 pages in and you decide you don't care?
I think you doth protest too much
don't get so emotional Joe Bob
No, you’re the one who said you don’t care what people here say. You’re an attention whore bitch.
Take pics of those corporate weenie lawyers, and look up their addresses. You'll need them later..
I'm not sure I follow you on that but at any rate, I've dealt with them once and was lucky to keep my job because of it. I've made it a point to avoid them since.
Ok so we have another vote for tyranny over freedom.... as long as the paycheck and pensions keep coming
so you're advising me that as an American loving patriot, I should quit my job, put my family out on the street and wreck our retirement plans - and I should listen to a random guy on the internet at a hunting forum who throws around words like freedom
yea, not going to happen - paint me whatever label you want, until you guys get off the couch and show me you're willing to do something, then you can stop trying to live vicariously thru people on here.
I got off the couch years ago and set myself up so I am not in the position you have suddenly found yourself in..... the funny part is it was as predictable as rain... yet you still don't get it. Read Dirt's post and read it again..... forest through the tree's sort of thing
that's not enough man, you're level of commitment here - there are real freedom issues going on here. I expect a patriot like you to take all the money you have, sell your posessions and go to Washington DC. Live in a damn tent, protest on the lawn, let Biden know that as an American you aren't going to stand for this [bleep]. Let him know the sacrifices you are willing to make to choose freedom over tyranny. Set that example for the rest of us. You're saw this coming, you made all the right decisions, you in the best position of all of us to take the hit.
That is a recipe for failure.... why would I do that?
I just quit my job yesterday. But, I have to thank Joe Biden - I wouldn't have been looking for a new job if it wasn't for him and the one I found pays twice as much with no mandate.
Tucker's monologue last night is another tucker classic. American's will do anything the fiat currency money machine tells them to as long as bread and circus keeps flowing.
I’m in the same boat except I’ve already given everyone a religious exemption under the civil rights act of 1964. Why any employer would willingly terminate 20% of their workforce given the alternative is beyond me. Good luck with your unnecessary firings.
Same for pahick. The reality is they were and are scared and cannot think for themselves.
They are COVTARDS.
Heres your chance. I gave you one before, but you proved to be the unintelligent fück you are. SO, youre in his or any other persons position that is going through this, youre in THEIR shoes...... where you go from here? 1 2 3 GO!!
There is literally nothing to do. There is no documents to be provided there is no way of verifying status. Absolutely nothing to do. The only people advising otherwise are CYA attorneys and retards.
Are any of you dumb fugking COVTARDS going to explain how one proves they have been vaccinated?
You don't receive a card or paperwork after the shot?
I'm assuming at the very least it's entered into your medical records, much like the tetanus shots, chicken pox and all the others?
Hippa is a thing
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Vaccination information is classed as PHI and is covered by the HIPAA Rules. However, HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities – healthcare providers, health plans, and healthcare clearinghouses – and their business associates. If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated in order to allow that individual to work without wearing a facemask, that is not a HIPAA violation as HIPAA does not apply to most employers.
Explain, please, how HIPAA fits in this situation? Ill wait...
You’re emotionally invested in the idea that you might die unless you take the vaccine aren’t you?
Hardly. Already took it for reasons other than the "mandate". Now....lets get back to the cum guzzler from florida. Hes batting 0....COVTARD doesnt cut it.
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Freely giving it out negates the argument , fugk tard
JFC
LOL
No it doesnt, but you havent a clue either dumbfück...covered entity, hybrid entity, business associate....fiduciary.... one can get trapped in a hurry, I am one of those, but again yur a dumbfück like the twink from florida.....
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Oh but I do understand that hippo doesn't prevent you from disclosing your own medical records.... that was part of my point... you are a sheeple... a covtard... now they own you and you are shocked and dismayed.... wait until you board the boxcars.... lmao
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Freely giving it out negates the argument , fugk tard
JFC
LOL
No it doesnt, but you havent a clue either dumbfück...covered entity, hybrid entity, business associate....fiduciary.... one can get trapped in a hurry, I am one of those, but again yur a dumbfück like the twink from florida.....
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Oh but I do understand that hippo doesn't prevent you from disclosing your own medical records.... that was part of my point... you are a sheeple... a covtard... now they own you and you are shocked and dismayed.... wait until you board the boxcars.... lmao
What happens when an employee freely gives you medical info?????
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Oh but I do understand that hippo doesn't prevent you from disclosing your own medical records.... that was part of my point... you are a sheeple... a covtard... now they own you and you are shocked and dismayed.... wait until you board the boxcars.... lmao
What happens when an employee freely gives you medical info?????
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Freely giving it out negates the argument , fugk tard
JFC
LOL
No it doesnt, but you havent a clue either dumbfück...covered entity, hybrid entity, business associate....fiduciary.... one can get trapped in a hurry, I am one of those, but again yur a dumbfück like the twink from florida.....
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Oh but I do understand that hippo doesn't prevent you from disclosing your own medical records.... that was part of my point... you are a sheeple... a covtard... now they own you and you are shocked and dismayed.... wait until you board the boxcars.... lmao
What happens when an employee freely gives you medical info?????
Why would they do that?
Any numerous reason....you all went down the HIPAA path not me...so...what happens?
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Freely giving it out negates the argument , fugk tard
JFC
LOL
No it doesnt, but you havent a clue either dumbfück...covered entity, hybrid entity, business associate....fiduciary.... one can get trapped in a hurry, I am one of those, but again yur a dumbfück like the twink from florida.....
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Freely giving it out negates the argument , fugk tard
JFC
LOL
No it doesnt, but you havent a clue either dumbfück...covered entity, hybrid entity, business associate....fiduciary.... one can get trapped in a hurry, I am one of those, but again yur a dumbfück like the twink from florida.....
Get your jab, COVTARD
LMAO
Go suck some more cock twink
LMAOFJKSHKHS
Suck the Kings cock , homo
If YOURE the fückin king get that bitch out otherwise STFU
Grammar Nazi is always a strong play.... Try and access anyone's health records and see how far you get
Actually further than you think...especially when employees are freely giving it out. But youd not understand that.
Oh but I do understand that hippo doesn't prevent you from disclosing your own medical records.... that was part of my point... you are a sheeple... a covtard... now they own you and you are shocked and dismayed.... wait until you board the boxcars.... lmao
What happens when an employee freely gives you medical info?????
Why would they do that?
Any numerous reason....you all went down the HIPAA path not me...so...what happens?
The purpose of hippo is so you will not have to disclose your mental illness.... embrace it
Vaccination information is classed as PHI and is covered by the HIPAA Rules. However, HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities – healthcare providers, health plans, and healthcare clearinghouses – and their business associates. If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated in order to allow that individual to work without wearing a facemask, that is not a HIPAA violation as HIPAA does not apply to most employers.
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
I walk away from over 160k in wages and benefits. Thats not easy. For anyone.
The OP posted what he posted because he wants to feel like he’s not a COVTARD.
It’s his form of affirmation. “See I had to do it anyway.”
Same for pahick. The reality is they were and are scared and cannot think for themselves.
They are COVTARDS.
uh no , I posted it because I was stunned we could lose up to 400 people that are very valuable to our company by December 8. People that we can't replace. .
Naw, you are STUNNED because over 400 people , valuable people, refuse to give up there freedom and have values and principles far more important that working for a company that has neither.
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
I walk away from over 160k in wages and benefits. Thats not easy. For anyone.
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
Doubt all you want, I have nothing to prove. BAE Systems, look it the fück up. Position is essential, I am not. You really dont have a clue how bad it can get. Youll be replaced by someone right out of college that doesnt know jack schit in a heartbeat. Doesnt matter if you can perform or not, theyll limp through. People come and go every day. Global companies give zero fücks about you, me or anyone else. Just a #
19 mos into the “pandemic” I know one person that supposedly died from “covid”. Heard of maybe 2 more. Bunch of dumbass family members have “had” it, lists of comorbidities as long as your arm, and none had more than flu symptoms.
We’ve collapsed the global economy for a nothing burger and there’s still a bunch of so called conservatives on here promoting this propagandish bull scheit.
19 mos into the “pandemic” I know one person that supposedly died from “covid”. Heard of maybe 2 more. Bunch of dumbass family members have “had” it, lists of comorbidities as long as your arm, and none had more than flu symptoms.
We’ve collapsed the global economy for a nothing burger and there’s still a bunch of so called conservatives on here promoting this propagandish bull scheit.
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
It's more complicated for some of us JackWagon. I have a lot of tenure where I work, almost 20 years now. I can get a pension at 30 years...i'm not looking to start over somewhere else...Definitely would not get paid as much as I do now at a different job near where I live. And, my wife would be unwilling to move away from her family here.
My company hasnt mandated the Vaccine yet, it's being "discussed" they say, and it will be a hard arse decision for me when/ if they do...
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
Doubt all you want, I have nothing to prove. BAE Systems, look it the fück up. Position is essential, I am not. You really dont have a clue how bad it can get. Youll be replaced by someone right out of college that doesnt know jack schit in a heartbeat. Doesnt matter if you can perform or not, theyll limp through. People come and go every day. Global companies give zero fücks about you, me or anyone else. Just a #
I can’t be replaced by anyone, you know why? Because I run the Fugkin business. My guys sure as scheit don’t have to worry about me firing them because some liberal POS fake president says I have to. I have their backs just like they have mine. You chose to work for a “global business” that treats you like a number, if your position could be replaced this easily, in this market, you must be a pathetic POS. Quit being a pussy and making excuses.
Why can’t you admit you got vaccinated because you wanted to?
It has nothing to do with mandates.
I said that, how many fückin times?!?!?! I got the J&J because of medical issues. And??????? That doesnt have a damn thing to do with me being against forced vaccination. Comprende now?????
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
It's more complicated for some of us JackWagon. I have a lot of tenure where I work, almost 20 years now. I can get a pension at 30 years...i'm not looking to start over somewhere else...Definitely would not get paid as much as I do now at a different job near where I live. And, my wife would be unwilling to move away from her family here.
For reference, when MNA went on strike for 7 weeks, I threw away 17 years of "seniority" because fuuck going on strike while making 6 figures and having best staffing ratios in the US.
It's OK to have priorities. Lying to yourself about what those priorities are isn't.
19 mos into the “pandemic” I know one person that supposedly died from “covid”. Heard of maybe 2 more. Bunch of dumbass family members have “had” it, lists of comorbidities as long as your arm, and none had more than flu symptoms.
We’ve collapsed the global economy for a nothing burger and there’s still a bunch of so called conservatives on here promoting this propagandish bull scheit.
And we wonder why the country is fugked….
Exactly!!! We have fugked ourselves into oblivion over something that is over 99.5 survivable for hell’s sake.
Why can’t you admit you got vaccinated because you wanted to?
It has nothing to do with mandates.
I said that, how many fückin times?!?!?! I got the J&J because of medical issues. And??????? That doesnt have a damn thing to do with me being against forced vaccination. Comprende now?????
Lost 3 coworkers and a 4th is still in hospital. 2 were cancer survivors. Dunno if the 3rd had anything else healthwise going on. The dude still fighting isnt a healthy guy. Far from it Go figure
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
It's more complicated for some of us JackWagon. I have a lot of tenure where I work, almost 20 years now. I can get a pension at 30 years...i'm not looking to start over somewhere else...Definitely would not get paid as much as I do now at a different job near where I live. And, my wife would be unwilling to move away from her family here.
My company hasnt mandated the Vaccine yet, it's being discussed, and it will be a hard arse decision for me when/ if they do...
Sounds like you’ve already decided on the price you value your manhood. Hope your boss doesn’t find out how easy you are, he might mandate a daily blow job for you to keep your job. LOL.
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
Doubt all you want, I have nothing to prove. BAE Systems, look it the fück up. Position is essential, I am not. You really dont have a clue how bad it can get. Youll be replaced by someone right out of college that doesnt know jack schit in a heartbeat. Doesnt matter if you can perform or not, theyll limp through. People come and go every day. Global companies give zero fücks about you, me or anyone else. Just a #
I can’t be replaced by anyone, you know why? Because I run the Fugkin business. My guys sure as scheit don’t have to worry about me firing them because some liberal POS fake president says I have to. I have their backs just like they have mine. You chose to work for a “global business” that treats you like a number, if your position could be replaced this easily, in this market, you must be a pathetic POS. Quit being a pussy and making excuses.
No excuses....you wouldnt walk away from that kind of money anymore than I would. Youre in a position to act like you could do something. Im not. Walk away????? I can. And im not going to. Why, because if I did I cant make up what I would lose in 11yrs. If I opened shop again I could make half that, due to upfront cost. I didnt see this coming, or I wouldnt have bought this house, id have looked for something in a more marketable area. But I didnt do that. So here I am.
I already got the vaxx, im good NOW. That doesnt stop them from implementing something more extreme, if you could imagine they would.
Why can’t you admit you got vaccinated because you wanted to?
It has nothing to do with mandates.
I said that, how many fückin times?!?!?! I got the J&J because of medical issues. And??????? That doesnt have a damn thing to do with me being against forced vaccination. Comprende now?????
If I worked for some miserable prick that tried to force me to inject something into my body that I was ethically oppposed to, I’d be glad to walk away. You fugkers swallowing your pride for $$ need to wake up and realize the gravity of the situation.
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
Doubt all you want, I have nothing to prove. BAE Systems, look it the fück up. Position is essential, I am not. You really dont have a clue how bad it can get. Youll be replaced by someone right out of college that doesnt know jack schit in a heartbeat. Doesnt matter if you can perform or not, theyll limp through. People come and go every day. Global companies give zero fücks about you, me or anyone else. Just a #
I can’t be replaced by anyone, you know why? Because I run the Fugkin business. My guys sure as scheit don’t have to worry about me firing them because some liberal POS fake president says I have to. I have their backs just like they have mine. You chose to work for a “global business” that treats you like a number, if your position could be replaced this easily, in this market, you must be a pathetic POS. Quit being a pussy and making excuses.
No excuses....you wouldnt walk away from that kind of money anymore than I would. Youre in a position to act like you could do something. Im not. Walk away????? I can. And im not going to. Why, because if I did I cant make up what I would lose in 11yrs. If I opened shop again I could make half that, due to upfront cost. I didnt see this coming, or I wouldnt have bought this house, id have looked for something in a more marketable area. But I didnt do that. So here I am.
I already got the vaxx, im good NOW. That doesnt stop them from implementing something more extreme, if you could imagine they would.
Why argue about it here?
Do what you need to do for you and your family.
Trying to talk to people who are (rightfully) beyond pissed off at the situation isn't any more productive than debating theology with happy camper
If you’re making 160k/year in wages and benefits (doubtful) and haven’t positioned yourself to be able to tell your superiors to GFY them shame on you. If you’re making 160k, your position would be essential to the point your superiors wouldn’t be able to let you walk over something as silly as refusal to take a vaccine to protect against the flu.
Doubt all you want, I have nothing to prove. BAE Systems, look it the fück up. Position is essential, I am not. You really dont have a clue how bad it can get. Youll be replaced by someone right out of college that doesnt know jack schit in a heartbeat. Doesnt matter if you can perform or not, theyll limp through. People come and go every day. Global companies give zero fücks about you, me or anyone else. Just a #
I can’t be replaced by anyone, you know why? Because I run the Fugkin business. My guys sure as scheit don’t have to worry about me firing them because some liberal POS fake president says I have to. I have their backs just like they have mine. You chose to work for a “global business” that treats you like a number, if your position could be replaced this easily, in this market, you must be a pathetic POS. Quit being a pussy and making excuses.
No excuses....you wouldnt walk away from that kind of money anymore than I would. Youre in a position to act like you could do something. Im not. Walk away????? I can. And im not going to. Why, because if I did I cant make up what I would lose in 11yrs. If I opened shop again I could make half that, due to upfront cost. I didnt see this coming, or I wouldnt have bought this house, id have looked for something in a more marketable area. But I didnt do that. So here I am.
I already got the vaxx, im good NOW. That doesnt stop them from implementing something more extreme, if you could imagine they would.
You are doomed sooner or later, if this crap stands.... best start making plans so you aren't caught flat footed again
Why can’t you admit you got vaccinated because you wanted to?
It has nothing to do with mandates.
I said that, how many fückin times?!?!?! I got the J&J because of medical issues. And??????? That doesnt have a damn thing to do with me being against forced vaccination. Comprende now?????
And why did you do that?
Thats none of your business.
You have a better chance of dying due to complications during child birth than Covid.
Why can’t you admit you got vaccinated because you wanted to?
It has nothing to do with mandates.
I said that, how many fückin times?!?!?! I got the J&J because of medical issues. And??????? That doesnt have a damn thing to do with me being against forced vaccination. Comprende now?????
And why did you do that?
Thats none of your business.
Then quit airing your bull scheit on a public forum if you’re all of a sudden wanting to protect your privacy you dumbfugk.
Because twinks like Flave think everyone can walk away and start a new life....and still come out smelling like a rose. Not everyone can. No one would give 2 schits, but ive had 0. No BS, ZERO. Not we ate beans and ...I didnt even have fückin beans. I made a extremely bad decision with a woman once, and I had nothing. If it wasnt for family, id still have made it, but not to where I am today.
Not married, no kids.....I CAN walk away. Thought a lot about it for the last month. Honestly still runs through my mind. But if I go where I want to go, I wont make 1/4 what I do now.
At one point I posted here about jobs at our facility. I could have gotten 20-30 people in without batting an eye. One person messaged, but never got back to me. Point is, I cant make anyones life decision anymore than the twink from florida. Yet here he is fückin with people over extremely important life decisions. And I dont tolerate that well.
And youre a cum guzzlin twink who's afraid to come out. Just get it over with. Why worry about us? GummyBear is all that matters, and if yur sharin all that black cock already im sure shes ok with it.
Because twinks like Flave think everyone can walk away and start a new life....and still come out smelling like a rose. Not everyone can. No one would give 2 schits, but ive had 0. No BS, ZERO. Not we ate beans and ...I didnt even have fückin beans. I made a extremely bad decision with a woman once, and I had nothing. If it wasnt for family, id still have made it, but not to where I am today.
Not married, no kids.....I CAN walk away. Thought a lot about it for the last month. Honestly still runs through my mind. But if I go where I want to go, I wont make 1/4 what I do now.
At one point I posted here about jobs at our facility. I could have gotten 20-30 people in without batting an eye. One person messaged, but never got back to me. Point is, I cant make anyones life decision anymore than the twink from florida. Yet here he is fückin with people over extremely important life decisions. And I dont tolerate that well.
Then why engage? You are not going to change people's minds.
Because twinks like Flave think everyone can walk away and start a new life....and still come out smelling like a rose. Not everyone can. No one would give 2 schits, but ive had 0. No BS, ZERO. Not we ate beans and ...I didnt even have fückin beans. I made a extremely bad decision with a woman once, and I had nothing. If it wasnt for family, id still have made it, but not to where I am today.
Not married, no kids.....I CAN walk away. Thought a lot about it for the last month. Honestly still runs through my mind. But if I go where I want to go, I wont make 1/4 what I do now.
At one point I posted here about jobs at our facility. I could have gotten 20-30 people in without batting an eye. One person messaged, but never got back to me. Point is, I cant make anyones life decision anymore than the twink from florida. Yet here he is fückin with people over extremely important life decisions. And I dont tolerate that well.
And youre a cum guzzlin twink who's afraid to come out. Just get it over with. Why worry about us? GummyBear is all that matters, and if yur sharin all that black cock already im sure shes ok with it.
Bull fückin schit! 100% what youve been blowin your big fückin mouth off ever since this schit went down. Done, just done. When you walk in my shoes or pay my bills call me.
Bull fückin schit! 100% what youve been blowin your big fückin mouth off ever since this schit went down. Done, just done. When you walk in my shoes or pay my bills call me.
You got vaccinated because you’re a scared little bitch.
You got vaccinated because you’re a scared little bitch.
The mandates had nothing to do with it.
You’re a kghunt.
You wouldnt say it to my face, youd take a trip to the hog farm. Bank it. The vaxx was because medical issues, im not goin over that again with you pole smoker.
Because twinks like Flave think everyone can walk away and start a new life....and still come out smelling like a rose. Not everyone can. No one would give 2 schits, but ive had 0. No BS, ZERO. Not we ate beans and ...I didnt even have fückin beans. I made a extremely bad decision with a woman once, and I had nothing. If it wasnt for family, id still have made it, but not to where I am today.
Not married, no kids.....I CAN walk away. Thought a lot about it for the last month. Honestly still runs through my mind. But if I go where I want to go, I wont make 1/4 what I do now.
At one point I posted here about jobs at our facility. I could have gotten 20-30 people in without batting an eye. One person messaged, but never got back to me. Point is, I cant make anyones life decision anymore than the twink from florida. Yet here he is fückin with people over extremely important life decisions. And I dont tolerate that well.
You got vaccinated because you’re a scared little bitch.
The mandates had nothing to do with it.
You’re a kghunt.
You wouldnt say it to my face, youd take a trip to the hog farm. Bank it. The vaxx was because medical issues, im not goin over that again with you pole smoker.
I’m pretty sure I’ve met and hunted with more people on this site than your gay ass.
Im positive of that. Yur in the click. And the clicks gotten a whole helluva lot smaller over the years. You tell people what they wanna hear. Until you dont.
I’m pretty sure I’ve met and hunted with more people on this site than your gay ass.
Im positive of that. Yur in the click. And the clicks gotten a whole helluva lot smaller over the years. You tell people what they wanna hear. Until you dont.
You can’t pretend you’re not a COVTARD just because Potato Head passed an EO.
Your posts speak for themselves. You were and remain scared to death of COVID.
Listen twink...I got J&J, I dont care if you or anyone else gets vaxxed, I dont believe in forced vaccination. Definitely not scared of Covid. Said it from day one. I hate seein people have to decide whether to let their company terminate them or quit over this schit. Period. No more no less.
But you seem to have all the answers. Id like to see you take the butt plug outta yur ass and tell us all how to fix it. You got it all fingered out...lets hear it.
Pahick, With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
No schit! Im sittin here reading about 10 pages, which id LOVE to post, company just handed out. Bound by nda. But I can say you would NOT believe this schit!! Im fückin HOT!!!!!!
Tell them GFY millions are and more are needed.... One door closes another opens.... never make a decision out of fear.... stay strong
There’s a “now hiring” sign on virtually every single business in this country right now, and a bunch of pussies are afraid to stand up for their freedom because they might lose a job? JFC grow a set of testicles…. Your grandfathers that fought in WWII are wondering why they didn’t pull out and shoot it against the bed post right now.
It's more complicated for some of us JackWagon. I have a lot of tenure where I work, almost 20 years now. I can get a pension at 30 years...i'm not looking to start over somewhere else...Definitely would not get paid as much as I do now at a different job near where I live. And, my wife would be unwilling to move away from her family here.
For reference, when MNA went on strike for 7 weeks, I threw away 17 years of "seniority" because fuuck going on strike while making 6 figures and having best staffing ratios in the US.
It's OK to have priorities. Lying to yourself about what those priorities are isn't.
If we were even half as hard on the left as we are each other we might actually get something done. Shouting for one guy to lose his job over a stand isn’t going to change a thing. Until people on our side band together as a whole and attack the root problem and root causes similar to how the left does we’re going no where.
A fugged immune system disorder could mandate a shot. My kid has to make the choice, of some risk too. Best case, shot and fugged up a month or so, recover. Could take her down to permanent problem. Or could.go.without and get covid w 90% chance itll kill.her. Or....do nothing, dont get covid, and be halfway decent.
A fugged immune system disorder could mandate a shot. My kid has to make the choice, of some risk too. Best case, shot and fugged up a month or so, recover. Could take her down to permanent problem. Or could.go.without and get covid w 90% chance itll kill.her. Or....do nothing, dont get covid, and be halfway decent.
19 mos into the “pandemic” I know one person that supposedly died from “covid”. Heard of maybe 2 more. Bunch of dumbass family members have “had” it, lists of comorbidities as long as your arm, and none had more than flu symptoms.
We’ve collapsed the global economy for a nothing burger and there’s still a bunch of so called conservatives on here promoting this propagandish bull scheit.
And we wonder why the country is fugked….
Exactly!!! We have fugked ourselves into oblivion over something that is over 99.5 survivable for hell’s sake.
It’s much higher than 99.5%.
The death rate for Covid has been highly inflated since the beginning. Anyone that dies “with” Covid is recorded as died “from” Covid, thank you Medical Professionals . Remove the Bull Schit and the lies and you are more at risk of dying by lighting strike than Covid.
19 mos into the “pandemic” I know one person that supposedly died from “covid”. Heard of maybe 2 more. Bunch of dumbass family members have “had” it, lists of comorbidities as long as your arm, and none had more than flu symptoms.
We’ve collapsed the global economy for a nothing burger and there’s still a bunch of so called conservatives on here promoting this propagandish bull scheit.
And we wonder why the country is fugked….
Exactly!!! We have fugked ourselves into oblivion over something that is over 99.5 survivable for hell’s sake.
It’s much higher than 99.5%.
The death rate for Covid has been highly inflated since the beginning. Anyone that dies “with” Covid is recorded as died “from” Covid, thank you Medical Professionals . Remove the Bull Schit and the lies and you are more at risk of dying by lighting strike than Covid.
Yep, just like that meme said: in case your wondering if you would have complied in 1930’s Germany…….
I sent that to one dude, he didn’t find it as hilarious as I did.
I would never wish ill will on regular freedom loving Americans or a good company, but I hope it happens and I hope it happens nationwide. There’s too many spoiled people in this country that won’t or don’t give a schit about anything until it impacts them directly. We need some chemotherapy and get sick before the cancer goes away.
A fugged immune system disorder could mandate a shot. My kid has to make the choice, of some risk too. Best case, shot and fugged up a month or so, recover. Could take her down to permanent problem. Or could.go.without and get covid w 90% chance itll kill.her. Or....do nothing, dont get covid, and be halfway decent.
You forgot about prophylactic use of ivermectin or HCQ, vit D, zinc, etc. These things will lower risk far better than any of the jabs.
Just curious, was your wife vaccinated? And did you stay home because she was too sick to be alone or was it a matter of quarantine because of your exposure?
Again, she was not vaccinated.
She was far to sick to be left alone. She needed help in and out of bed just to use the bathroom.
Our company no longer enforces quarantine for exposure. Just social distance and keep a mask on if you have been Covid exposed.
Next board meeting, stand up and say "lets go Brandon" and walk the hell out the door.... if everyone did that we might have a chance..... But nooo.... the paycheck, pension, chips & dip and a NFL game....
My employer is scared as hell of these supposedly mandates coming. I already told them they gotta fire me. I just recovered from covid and got the monoclonal antibodies treatment. I'm not playing their game.
Just curious, was your wife vaccinated? And did you stay home because she was too sick to be alone or was it a matter of quarantine because of your exposure?
Again, she was not vaccinated.
She was far to sick to be left alone. She needed help in and out of bed just to use the bathroom.
Our company no longer enforces quarantine for exposure. Just social distance and keep a mask on if you have been Covid exposed.
Well good, sounds as if she survived. Now she is immune. Sounds as if your company is evolving to a less hysterical reaction to a relatively mild (for most people) illness.
Just curious, was your wife vaccinated? And did you stay home because she was too sick to be alone or was it a matter of quarantine because of your exposure?
Again, she was not vaccinated.
She was far to sick to be left alone. She needed help in and out of bed just to use the bathroom.
Our company no longer enforces quarantine for exposure. Just social distance and keep a mask on if you have been Covid exposed.
Next board meeting, stand up and say "lets go Brandon" and walk the hell out the door.... if everyone did that we might have a chance..... But nooo.... the paycheck, pension, chips & dip and a NFL game....
Next board meeting, stand up and say "lets go Brandon" and walk the hell out the door.... if everyone did that we might have a chance..... But nooo.... the paycheck, pension, chips & dip and a NFL game....
The state health dept calls HR at our company and informs them every time one of our employees tests positive for Covid.
They also call and tell us when the state has put one of our employees on a mandatory quarantine list because he/she has been exposed to Covid.
Oregon Dept of Health has threatened our factory with closure if management does not comply with quarantine orders.
Those on quarantine for exposure, report that Dept of Health calls them on a daily basis to ensure they "shelter in place". Though I have no knowledge of consequences for noncompliance.
They have been doing so since near the beginning of Covid protocols.
Does anyone think the state would have any problem informing the employer of any and all Vax status?
On a related note, the employer receives results of piss tests.
For the employer or interested Union officials to disseminate such information is a violation of HIPAA.
The state health dept calls HR at our company and informs them every time one of our employees tests positive for Covid.
They also call and tell us when the state has put one of our employees on a mandatory quarantine list because he/she has been exposed to Covid.
Oregon Dept of Health has threatened our factory with closure if management does not comply with quarantine orders.
Those on quarantine for exposure, report that Dept of Health calls them on a daily basis to ensure they "shelter in place". Though I have no knowledge of consequences for noncompliance.
They have been doing so since near the beginning of Covid protocols.
Does anyone think the state would have any problem informing the employer of any and all Vax status?
On a related note, the employer receives results of piss tests.
For the employer or interested Union officials to disseminate such information is a violation of HIPAA.
That’s because you live in a state ran by dick heads.
Point being, HIPAA is not nearly as all-encompassing as many believe.
Be sure that every vax injection is reported to the state, and a list is compiled. Just like gun purchases.
I have no doubt that those lists will be shared with employers.
I see your COVIDITY is pumping on all cylinders this morning, but thankfully you got Flave to help you out.
1.) If the state maintains a list of all vaccinations, why are all these employers requiring that people self attest, and provide the appropriate documentation? According to you a searchable database already exists. Why not use it?
2.) HIPAA (in its most basic form) simply means that medical information regarding an individual is to be held to a "need to know" standard. This means that if I make a claim with DOL and my employer needs to know when in the fugk I'm going to be back to work, they have a right (and need to know.) Or if I continuously request time off of work for a claimed medical issue, they can ask that one provide evidence of their medical issue.
This applies to many things related to medical info and your employer. But due to COVTARDS like yourself it is now being expanded to unprecedented levels of stupidity. You are claiming an employer has a need to know if the person (that is perfectly healthy) is actually sick. And to ensure that you can't get sick, they are requiring shots, that still allow one to become sick, but make them believe you won't be as sick.
This is akin to your first and second line supervisors asking you to prove you don't have strep throat as you walk into work one morning. And upon proof that you tested negative for strep throat, then mandate proof that you're taking antibiotics just in case you develop strep within the work week. This is what's commonly referred to as STUPIDITY when one steps outside Church of COVTARD.
So you can claim that HIPAA is not being violated in these instances, but you're only doing so because you're a dumb fugk COVTARD and you want to feel better about your own dumb fugk decisions.
I see your COVIDITY is pumping on all cylinders this morning, but thankfully you got Flave to help you out.
1.) If the state maintains a list of all vaccinations, why are all these employers requiring that people self attest, and provide the appropriate documentation? According to you a searchable database already exists. Why not use it?
2.) HIPAA (in its most basic form) simply means that medical information regarding an individual is to be held to a "need to know" standard. This means that if I make a claim with DOL and my employer needs to know when in the fugk I'm going to be back to work, they have a right (and need to know.) Or if I continuously request time off of work for a claimed medical issue, they can ask that one provide evidence of their medical issue.
This applies to many things related to medical info and your employer. But due to COVTARDS like yourself it is now being expanded to unprecedented levels of stupidity. You are claiming an employer has a need to know if the person (that is perfectly healthy) is actually sick. And to ensure that you can't get sick, they are requiring shots, that still allow one to become sick, but make them believe you won't be as sick.
This is akin to your first and second line supervisors asking you to prove you don't have strep throat as you walk into work one morning. And upon proof that you tested negative for strep throat, then mandate proof that you're taking antibiotics just in case you develop strep within the work week. This is what's commonly referred to as STUPIDITY when one steps outside Church of COVTARD.
So you can claim that HIPAA is not being violated in these instances, but you're only doing so because you're a dumb fugk COVTARD and you want to feel better about your own dumb fugk decisions.
You're welcome, Flave
You are rebutting many words I did not state.
I made no claim that an employer needed to know anything. I did report what is happening in a company in Oregon today and for nearly two years. I also projected what I expect will happen in the future.
Nowhere did I ever state it was proper or even acceptable. Just like I have never stated that it was proper for the state to record name, make, model, and serial number of every firearms purchase. I don't like it, does not keep it from happening.
I made no statement as to whether HIPAA is or is not being violated. I only made a statement as to how it is being used.
Again, my personal choice to get Vax because of personal health reasons, means in no way that I endorse mandatory anything.
One can anticipate many actions which will be taken by .gov without endorsing those actions. I anticipate .gov will make it increasingly difficult for us to exercise our 2'nd Amendment rights. I sure as Hell do not endorse such.
Nor do I endorse violations of privacy, nor violation of free choice in medical decisions.
That is a hell of a lot different than suggesting a person with compromised lungs would be well advised to take any action which would help them prevent serious illness and/or death from a Covid infection. That is advisement to exercise personal choice and free will. Which has been my position always.
Are you intelligent enough to recognize the difference?
Were Trump still President, he would be advising everyone in the nation to get the vax. And most of the loudest protesters on this forum would be eagerly crowding to the front of the line. That is worthy of LOL.
With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
Folks, it’s just this simple ^^^^^^^^^ Well put, brother Fubar
With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
Folks, it’s just this simple ^^^^^^^^^ Well put, brother Fubar
With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
Folks, it’s just this simple ^^^^^^^^^ Well put, brother Fubar
With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
Folks, it’s just this simple ^^^^^^^^^ Well put, brother Fubar
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It really is.
Of course...and while we're defending ourselves from imaginary vaccines, $6,000,000,000,000 is going out the back door.
With all due respect this isn't about the jab , it's about freedom..... they win this battle and it's just the beginning of a complete takeover of your liberties. #privacymatters
Folks, it’s just this simple ^^^^^^^^^ Well put, brother Fubar
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It really is.
Of course...and while we're defending ourselves from imaginary vaccines, $6,000,000,000,000 is going out the back door.
6 trillion of printed money........ They will get it from you in inflation.... again who is surprised by this?
KWFA, I am truly sorry that you are in this position. That really sucks. My older brother is in a similar situation as he works for the Bonneville Power Administration which is a Federal Government job. He is fortunate to have enough sick leave built up such that he can take the last 7 weeks of the year off (just before their mandate deadline) and will start working with a private power company on January 3. He will retire from BPA after 30 or 31 years and be making more money at the new company.
Maybe you can pursue something similar? Best of luck to you.
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