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A man?
No.
Originally Posted by K22
No.



Correct.
A system. But we have no idea what it is.
It’s a beast, disguised as a man.....
Shouldn't we be talking about tuna cans? That seems important.
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Not a man. Serious implications that it's the catholic church.
I think it's a man. Isn't that what Revelation says?
The Biblical description that we have of him certainly has human characteristics. He'll be full of the devil that's for sure
As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.
I'm reading, Angels, God's Secret Agents, by Billy Graham.

Interesting insight to matters such as this.
Revelation 13:4 describes him as a "him" apparently in the form of a person
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
The Biblical description that we have of him certainly has human characteristics. He'll be full of the devil that's for sure


Sounds painful
It’s some guy down in S.Florida with a Honda Ruckus with a 12pk strapped to it.
Possibly an alien. Green kind, not brown swimmer type.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Key word......................perdition. Who was the son of perdition? Figure that out and then you will know. The lawless one doesn't do it justice and it will take some O.T. search to know who it is.

We have been operating in the beast system for a very long time. But seeing through illusions is not easy.
That's what he's going to say when that 5th angel pours out his bowl on his seat. It'll be so bad he'll chew on his tongue. But until then he'll actually be extremely well liked and received. The whole world will be in awe of him
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
That's what he's going to say when that 5th angel pours out his bowl on his seat. It'll be so bad he'll chew on his tongue. But until then he'll actually be extremely well liked and received. The whole world will be in awe of him

Maybe Deflave?
There are some who believe that the events described in the Revelation already happened in the First Century AD.
Originally Posted by antlers
There are some who believe that the events described in the Revelation already happened in the First Century AD.

That would actually be impossible for a few reasons. One of which is that we are told that the whole world watches these events unfold. This wouldn't be possible until the arrival of technology and the news media
CH 17

the Woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus - Israelite nation

Mother of harlots, and abominations - the Israelite nation was called just that in the Prophets...

the woman sits on 7 heads and 7 mountains - Roman empire

7 kings - 5 fallen - 1 is - and 1 is yet to come
Revelation written in the late 60's

5 dead Caesars - Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius 1 is - Nero ruled from 54-58 - (you can skip Galba, Otto & Vitellius, they each ruled for less than a year and never ruled the Empire) then Vespasian#7 and Titus#8 who finished up the destruction of Jerusalem

Rev 17:8 ...when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. the Beast - Rome ruled by Caesars.... 'was' started with Julius, 'was not' when they killed him,. and 'yet is' with the reign of Augustus and continued through the prophecy of Revelation...............

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Titus was a son of Vespasian..... the 8th is of the seven!

Rev 17:18 the woman is 'the great city' Chapter 11 - the great city wherein our LORD was crucified
Any of you wish to be a guest speaker at our church?
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.[/b]
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.
It's deflave.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.



RC, this is a great passage for a couple of reasons.

The church was , apparently, upset that they may have missed the coming, citing they may have heard about it, or GOTTEN A LETTER!?!?!?!? What was their understanding of the NATURE of the 'coming'??? You could be alive on earth afterword!?!?

The other 'he takes his seat in the temple of GOD' the 'man of lawlessness'. True a computer cannot do it, and neither can a LAWLESS man TODAY!!! Today the Temple of GOD on earth is a spiritual place, it is the church......... When Paul wrote to the Thessalonians there was a 'Temple of GOD' that a man could walk into and sit down, it was the Temple in Jerusalem. One of the Caesars DID have his 'likeness' hung in the temple, which caused a great revolt among the Jews, and the Caesars were thought of, viewed as and worshipped by Romans as diety...........
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
Originally Posted by antlers
There are some who believe that the events described in the Revelation already happened in the First Century AD.
That would actually be impossible for a few reasons. One of which is that we are told that the whole world watches these events unfold. This wouldn't be possible until the arrival of technology and the news media
Two thousand years ago the world was ruled by Rome. From Spain to Syria and from Africa to England, one of every four people on earth lived and died under Roman rule.
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
Originally Posted by antlers
There are some who believe that the events described in the Revelation already happened in the First Century AD.
That would actually be impossible for a few reasons. One of which is that we are told that the whole world watches these events unfold. This wouldn't be possible until the arrival of technology and the news media
Two thousand years ago the world was ruled by Rome. From Spain to Syria and from Africa to England, one of every four people on earth lived and died under Roman rule.


That is true, additionally the nation of Israel was referred to in the OT as heaven and earth, and 'the world'............

If Revelation is all about the destruction and the end of Jerusalem and the Israelite nation, then 'the world' certainly would have seen it................
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There's a difference between the "Mark of the beast" and the antichrist.

I watched this https://youtu.be/lvTL_lnN5-Q
A few days ago on this very subject.
Rob Skiba is interesting to listen to as well.
Originally Posted by antlers
There are some who believe that the events described in the Revelation already happened in the First Century AD.


Yea, and there are some who believe GOD is dead.

So, are we in Heaven, Hell or the millenial dungeron.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Originally Posted by K22
No.



Correct.


Rong, according to the Bible. Do Methodists believe in the Bible?
Originally Posted by Tansun
It’s a beast, disguised as a man.....


Truth. But tbere are two beasts.

One, a political leader and the other a religious leader.
I’ll wait for crappy hamster to give us a video to watch that explains it all.
Originally Posted by Fireball2
Shouldn't we be talking about tuna cans? That seems important.


WTH you mean with this wee schiett, Kimo Sabi?
Try re reading the title. Youre on the wrong thread.
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Originally Posted by bludog
I think it's a man. Isn't that what Revelation says?


Well, there is that.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.


This. Yes, thats ONE of the beasts. A man.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
A man?
.......If you are referring to the anti-Christ, then yes it will be a man who will come out from one of the ten nations in Europe which at that time will share one currency.
Originally Posted by BigNate
Not a man. Serious implications that it's the catholic church.


It is a man. The religious beast is probably the poop.


Revelations 13:18, “This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.”

This number actually indicates a name. The number "666" is the numerical value of the name of the coming Antichrist.

Ha, you just got me thinking.

One of the beasts arises from the sea.

Humm. The holey see?

I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth

Great work! The mystery is solved, and there's no point in debating it any further!

13 The dragon stood on the seashore. I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads. There were ten crowns on its horns. On each head was an evil name that brought shame to God. 2 The beast I saw looked like a leopard. But it had feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 One of the beast’s heads seemed to have had a deadly wound. But the wound had been healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon, because he had given authority to the beast. They also worshiped the beast. They asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to brag and speak evil things against God. The beast was allowed to use its authority for 42 months. 6 The beast opened its mouth to speak evil things against God. It told lies about God and about the place where God lives. And it told lies about those who live in heaven with him. 7 The beast was allowed to make war against God’s holy people and to overcome them. It was given authority over every tribe, people and nation, no matter what language they spoke. 8 Many people who live on the earth will worship the beast. They are the ones whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one whose death was planned before the world was created.
So where is the New Jerusalem?
Where are the Hebrew Israelites today?
Which Jews are of the Synagogue of Satan?
Which Jews are not?
Who is the Son of Perdition?
Who is Abaddon in the Greek tongue?
Where is the Temple of God today?
Why are we afraid of the "last days"?
Who's last days is it?
Who are the lost sheep?
And what did they lose?
Where did the lost sheep go?
Is there evidence on the Earth today of where they went?


Here's the old Jerusalem...O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Artificial Intelligence?

And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
— from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15

Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.
— from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9

The twins of Mammon quarreled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied. And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.
— from The Book of Mozilla, 15:1

The Beast adopted new raiment and studied the ways of Time and Space and Light and the Flow of energy through the Universe. From its studies, the Beast fashioned new structures from oxidized metal and proclaimed their glories. And the Beast's followers rejoiced, finding renewed purpose in these teachings.
— from The Book of Mozilla, 11:14

The Beast continued its studies with renewed Focus, building great Reference works and contemplating new Realities. The Beast brought forth its followers and acolytes to create a renewed smaller form of itself and, through Mischievous means, sent it out across the world.
— from The Book of Mozilla, 6:27
In Revelation 13 John sees a nightmarish vision of a DRAGON (SATAN) AND TWO BEASTS. The FIRST beast comes out of the sea and receives power from the dragon, or Satan. This beast is a true monstrosity: “It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion” (Revelation 13:1–2). Daniel’s vision of the beast is similar in many ways to John’s (Daniel 7:7–8, 19–27). Studying both Daniel and Revelation in tandem is profitable.

In Revelation, the term BEAST refers to TWO related entities. Sometimes “the beast” refers to the end-times’ empire. The seven heads and ten horns indicate that the beast will be a coalition of nations that rises to power to subdue the earth under Satan’s control. Later references to “the beast” in Revelation picture an individual—the man who is the political leader and head of the beastly empire.

The beast will receive a deadly wound and be healed of it (Revelation 13:3). He will exert authority over the whole world and demand worship (verses 7–8). He will wage war against God’s people, and he will prevail against them for a time (Revelation 13:7; Daniel 7:21). However, the beast’s time is short: according to Revelation 13:5 and Daniel 7:25, he will only be permitted absolute authority for forty-two months (three-and-a-half years).
I think we answered the original question. If you stay up to speed on the prophetical books such as Daniel, Matthew, Thessalonians, and Revelations it's really not that complicated. I would heed the warning and not add anything to these writings.
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth



I would say you are getting close. Nimrod is the Son of Perdition. Cern is designed to open a portal in which Moloch comes through and the middle of Cern is directly above Apollo's temple.............Abaddon in Hebrew but Apollyon in Greek. With any decent research will reveal that Apollyon was Nimrod who began to become a giant/Nephilim. Leviathan was technically was Lucifer's creation in the first Earth age.
I would argue that the goal of the Nephilim and Lucifer is to defeat the Hebrews who passed through the Caucus Mountains and were no longer known as Hebrews any more. They were known from that point on by another name. Jag should know the other name.
Originally Posted by kolofardos
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth

Great work! The mystery is solved, and there's no point in debating it any further!


The dragon stood on the shore as the beast came out of the ocean.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by kolofardos
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth

Great work! The mystery is solved, and there's no point in debating it any further!


The dragon stood on the shore as the beast came out of the ocean.


Jag. Prophetically, ocean/water represents people.
Both beasts are men. The dragon is not. The dragon is the fallen angel, Satan.
So, if you knew the answer, why did you ask the question?
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?
Originally Posted by jaguartx
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?




Sorry Jag. but you need to reread that again and leave out the "a" . We talking Koine Greek here and "a" is not in that language. The "so call inspired" writers put that in.
The pope is number 266 ? A guess I am impressed by the knowlege on this post.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?



Crappy Hampster must be a good candidate
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth



I would say you are getting close. Nimrod is the Son of Perdition. Cern is designed to open a portal in which Moloch comes through and the middle of Cern is directly above Apollo's temple.............Abaddon in Hebrew but Apollyon in Greek. With any decent research will reveal that Apollyon was Nimrod who began to become a giant/Nephilim. Leviathan was technically was Lucifer's creation in the first Earth age.
I would argue that the goal of the Nephilim and Lucifer is to defeat the Hebrews who passed through the Caucus Mountains and were no longer known as Hebrews any more. They were known from that point on by another name. Jag should know the other name.


Yup. White folks like us are the blatant target of the elite Satanists. They don’t even try to hide anymore that Caucasians are marked by them for Extermination
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
The pope is number 266 ? A guess I am impressed by the knowlege on this post.


You be the judge. The religious beast.

https://youtu.be/ewDLFy7RSBQ

Originally Posted by jaguartx
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?



It ain't the Pope if that is where you are going.
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.
Jag, what is the number of man?
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?



It ain't the Pope if that is where you are going.



There are 2 according to the Bible, which is what i am posting this in reference to.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
666 is the number of a man, who exalts himself as GOD.

WHO IS THAT MAN. WHAT MAN ON EARTH ACTS AS IF HE IS GOD, FORGIVING SINS, GIVING RELIGIOUS EDICTS, PRETENDING TO BE HOLY?



It ain't the Pope if that is where you are going.



There are 2 according to the Bible, which is what i am posting this in reference to.



Open your 6th Chakra and unlearn the Church religious propaganda. The "mark" is not a man. The Beast system is what we have been living under for a long time now and I might add we love it. In fact, when it began to change such as under Biden, we wanted to return to the old Beast system known in modern times as the Matrix.
Actually, the last verse in Revelation 13 should be translated, “He that has has comprehension must calculate the number of the beast, for it is a Human number, and it’s number is 666”.
Originally Posted by antlers
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.


Actually he said "that generation shall see my coming", so what generation was he referring to? What had to happen before all of it came to pass?
I believe a very good reference was when he told the disciples to go into the city and there you will find a "man" holding a picture of water. There is your huge hint.
You start out in the history of the book with people sacrificing Ox's , then it changes to Rams, then the sacrificing stops and someone comes waltzing in saying follow me I will make you fishers of men, then we go to a future event i.e. our modern time, with a man holding a pitcher of water. All of the hints were right there. Unfortunately the church propaganda keeps us from seeing the picture.
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
Actually, the last verse in Revelation 13 should be translated, “He that has has comprehension must calculate the number of the beast, for it is a Human number, and it’s number is 666”.



Yes, and once again germatria comes into play.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
The pope is number 266 ? A guess I am impressed by the knowlege on this post.


You be the judge. The religious beast.

https://youtu.be/ewDLFy7RSBQ



This was great. I watched it a while ago.

Interesting to hear these arguments, but calling something outright wrong is arrogant. The Bible as we know it is not what was originally written. Why leave out Enoch's writing, or Jasher, Jubilee? I believe much of what has been taught has been manipulated.
I âgée information has been withheld to the masses. Think of the terrible acts that has been perpredated by organized religion.
Originally Posted by BigNate
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
The pope is number 266 ? A guess I am impressed by the knowlege on this post.


You be the judge. The religious beast.

https://youtu.be/ewDLFy7RSBQ



This was great. I watched it a while ago.

Interesting to hear these arguments, but calling something outright wrong is arrogant. The Bible as we know it is not what was originally written. Why leave out Enoch's writing, or Jasher, Jubilee? I believe much of what has been taught has been manipulated.


Bingo.
Enoch is my favorite, then Jasher.

An interesting question is, who were those beings?
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
I âgée information has been withheld to the masses. Think of the terrible acts that has been perpredated by organized religion.



Very true.
We go on and on about the radical Islamic groups, but never is there any mention of the radical "Christian" group such as Phineas i.e. the Phineas Priesthood. I wonder why?
Fake news ( information ) is nothing new Trump has made the term mainstream, his achievements and truth telling has me questioning many things that I thought were real or true. God can use an imperfect man to do his work.
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.


Actually he said "that generation shall see my coming", so what generation was he referring to? What had to happen before all of it came to pass?
I believe a very good reference was when he told the disciples to go into the city and there you will find a "man" holding a picture of water. There is your huge hint.
You start out in the history of the book with people sacrificing Ox's , then it changes to Rams, then the sacrificing stops and someone comes waltzing in saying follow me I will make you fishers of men, then we go to a future event i.e. our modern time, with a man holding a pitcher of water. All of the hints were right there. Unfortunately the church propaganda keeps us from seeing the picture.


What generation, the one that was alive when HE said it!

MT 24, MK 13 and LK 21, take on a little different meaning or understanding when you realize that JESUS was speaking to 4 men, PRIVATELY.

Recorded for us, but HE was speaking to THEM!!!

THEY, the 4, would see the Great Tribulation............... and 'immediately after' MT 24:29,30 - 'the coming'
Keep your eyes on the, 'Prize", men, the Cross.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.


This sounds a lot like trump."the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God."
Originally Posted by jackmountain
It’s some guy down in S.Florida with a Honda Ruckus with a 12pk strapped to it.

I wonder how many tuna cans and yogurt containers he has in his shop.....................



assuming he has a shop



and the HOA would allow then when they inspect every year for violations
There is a reason why the number 666 is so prevalent in the propaganda mainstream news, Congress House bill #s, Vaccine Patent #’s, barcodes, music videos, clothing brands, Satanic cults, fringe websites, and even body tattoos.

Here is some insight as to WHY the number 666 is so important to the Satanic Elite, and why they flaunt it everywhere:

1/3 of the Angels that followed Satan in Revelation in rebellion against God=roughly 33.333…%

The remaining 2/3 % of faithful angels that did NOT follow Satan in rebellion against Yahweh equals roughly 66.666…% of the total number of God’s angels. Making sense to anyone now?

Maybe now you can get a grasp on why the numbers 666 and 33 are so important to the Satanist elite.

The rebellious against God declare their hostility (the 33.333%) against God’s Faithful Ones (the 66.666%).
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Fake news ( information ) is nothing new Trump has made the term mainstream, his achievements and truth telling has me questioning many things that I thought were real or true. God can use an imperfect man to do his work.


God has always used imperfect mankind to do his work. Aside from Christ, all are imperfect.
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
There is a reason why the number 666 is so prevalent in the propaganda mainstream news, Congress House bill #s, Vaccine Patent #’s, barcodes, music videos, clothing brands, Satanic cults, fringe websites, and even body tattoos.

Here is some insight as to WHY the number 666 is so important to the Satanic Elite, and why they flaunt it everywhere:

1/3 of the Angels that followed Satan in Revelation in rebellion against God=roughly 33.333…%

The remaining 2/3 % of faithful angels that did NOT follow Satan in rebellion against Yahweh equals roughly 66.666…% of the total number of God’s angels. Making sense to anyone now?

Maybe now you can get a grasp on why the numbers 666 and 33 are so important to the Satanist elite.

The rebellious against God declare their hostility (the 33.333%) against God’s Faithful Ones (the 66.666%).


So the decimal point is in the wrong place and it's actually a recurring number.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.[/b]
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.


It's deflave.


Or he who is now called God.

He just described himself above.

Elsewhere: "I am thy Lord and God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me", IIRC the passage. Of course, that doesn't appear to preclude us worshipping lesser gods, either, does it? Gotta give the Big Guy his due..... First.

Just stirring the pot, boys. smile
Yes, and the placing of the decimal point precisely discounts all of the points that I made? Got it
K-22:

I quit the “church” about 1999, and never went back. My discovery of the Book of Enoch opened my eyes to more information, which complements the Bible. There is much, much more information I could post on this forum, but it will only be ridiculed, so I don’t waste my time
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
I âgée information has been withheld to the masses. Think of the terrible acts that have been perpetrated by organized religion.
There are some skeletons in the closet. Nearly everyone is familiar with the rampant brutality and mass murder and hypocrisy of the Crusades; and also of the Catholic Church’s abysmal abuses of its own laity in so many ways. The OT Jews genocide against the Canaanites has been used to justify the 17th to 19th century of nearly wiping out the Native Americans. The 17th chapter Of Acts has even been used to justify racism. And the OT has been used to justify the acceptance of racial based slavery in the American South.
Again I am impressed by the knowlege and wisdom on this thread.
Thanks guys this is a subject that rarely can be discussed and respected. I have my thought and théories, but I am unable to back them up because of my lack of knowlege.
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.


Actually he said "that generation shall see my coming", so what generation was he referring to? What had to happen before all of it came to pass?
I believe a very good reference was when he told the disciples to go into the city and there you will find a "man" holding a picture of water. There is your huge hint.
You start out in the history of the book with people sacrificing Ox's , then it changes to Rams, then the sacrificing stops and someone comes waltzing in saying follow me I will make you fishers of men, then we go to a future event i.e. our modern time, with a man holding a pitcher of water. All of the hints were right there. Unfortunately the church propaganda keeps us from seeing the picture.


What generation, the one that was alive when HE said it!

MT 24, MK 13 and LK 21, take on a little different meaning or understanding when you realize that JESUS was speaking to 4 men, PRIVATELY.

Recorded for us, but HE was speaking to THEM!!!

THEY, the 4, would see the Great Tribulation............... and 'immediately after' MT 24:29,30 - 'the coming'


So what was the birth date of those 4 men?
Are they shown in other scriptures?
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth



I would say you are getting close. Nimrod is the Son of Perdition. Cern is designed to open a portal in which Moloch comes through and the middle of Cern is directly above Apollo's temple.............Abaddon in Hebrew but Apollyon in Greek. With any decent research will reveal that Apollyon was Nimrod who began to become a giant/Nephilim. Leviathan was technically was Lucifer's creation in the first Earth age.
I would argue that the goal of the Nephilim and Lucifer is to defeat the Hebrews who passed through the Caucus Mountains and were no longer known as Hebrews any more. They were known from that point on by another name. Jag should know the other name.


Yup. White folks like us are the blatant target of the elite Satanists. They don’t even try to hide anymore that Caucasians are marked by them for Extermination


I like where you are going with this. smile
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
There is a reason why the number 666 is so prevalent in the propaganda mainstream news, Congress House bill #s, Vaccine Patent #’s, barcodes, music videos, clothing brands, Satanic cults, fringe websites, and even body tattoos.

Here is some insight as to WHY the number 666 is so important to the Satanic Elite, and why they flaunt it everywhere:

1/3 of the Angels that followed Satan in Revelation in rebellion against God=roughly 33.333…%

The remaining 2/3 % of faithful angels that did NOT follow Satan in rebellion against Yahweh equals roughly 66.666…% of the total number of God’s angels. Making sense to anyone now?

Maybe now you can get a grasp on why the numbers 666 and 33 are so important to the Satanist elite.

The rebellious against God declare their hostility (the 33.333%) against God’s Faithful Ones (the 66.666%).



Ah yes, the building blocks of the Universe.....................3 6 9.
Originally Posted by gkt5450
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Fake news ( information ) is nothing new Trump has made the term mainstream, his achievements and truth telling has me questioning many things that I thought were real or true. God can use an imperfect man to do his work.


God has always used imperfect mankind to do his work. Aside from Christ, all are imperfect.


No you are not. That is Church propaganda. Study to show thyself approved.................................RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD.
Gee, I thought all the "word" was right ly.
Originally Posted by las
Originally Posted by Blackheart
[quote=Rock Chuck] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God.[/b]
— 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4

A computer or a system can't sit in the temple or declare itself to be God. It's a man.


It's deflave.
[/quote

Or he who is now called God.

He just described himself above.

Elsewhere: "I am thy Lord and God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me", IIRC the passage. Of course, that doesn't appear to preclude us worshipping lesser gods, either, does it? Gotta give the Big Guy his due..... First.

Just stirring the pot, boys. smile


Let me stir it further....................Exodus 20:2-4 is where the quote comes from you referenced. God is # 430 in the Hebrew language and translates to Elohim or (plural)rulers, judges, divine ones, angels, gods. It comes from # 433 in Hebrew which translates to "false God, or Heathen God.


How's that for stirring the pot. whistle
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
K-22:

I quit the “church” about 1999, and never went back. My discovery of the Book of Enoch opened my eyes to more information, which complements the Bible. There is much, much more information I could post on this forum, but it will only be ridiculed, so I don’t waste my time



Oh boy do I understand.
I am about done on this thread also.
Many would like to know when the end is close, but are misdirected by the Church i.e. religion into not researching. It is written that......" But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Notice what is not written, the month and the year. I gave that information in this thread. Jesus the Teacher gave us the year also known as Age.
Originally Posted by K22
[quote=Ruger4Life]I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth[/quote


I would say you are getting close. Nimrod is the Son of Perdition. Cern is designed to open a portal in which Moloch comes through and the middle of Cern is directly above Apollo's temple.............Abaddon in Hebrew but Apollyon in Greek. With any decent research will reveal that Apollyon was Nimrod who began to become a giant/Nephilim. Leviathan was technically was Lucifer's creation in the first Earth age.
I would argue that the goal of the Nephilim and Lucifer is to defeat the Hebrews who passed through the Caucus Mountains and were no longer known as Hebrews any more. They were known from that point on by another name. Jag should know the other name.
Hebrews,through the Caucus mts,through asia?Ill take Caucasian for $1,000
What is the difference between leaving organized religion and thinking your own interprétation is a mandate.
Big Nate, the Bible says it is useful for reproach, or correction if you will.

The Bible says the beast is a man.

If someone says pedophilia is Ok, as modern psychology is now starting to do, I will say they are wrong according to the Bible scripture.

The second beast comes from the land and has but 2 horns, like a lamb. He will be the one coming and claiming he comes in the name of the Lord, claiming to be the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:9. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

One come blaspheming the Lord and the other will be claiming to be the Lord. They will work in concert to decieve.

I agree we live in a Beast system, but the Bible, which is the subject of the original question, says these beasts are men.

Man, who scripture says is a liar, says the beast is a system. We have been led to believe that.
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Again I am impressed by the knowlege and wisdom on this thread.
Thanks guys this is a subject that rarely can be discussed and respected. I have my thought and théories, but I am unable to back them up because of my lack of knowlege.



saying this with no disrespect intended......what knowledge.. what wisdom......sermons are posted.....theories given.....numbers thrown around etc.

hardly 2 people agree on anything.....different interpterion's on just about everything.....maybe nobody knows what it really all means.....maybe it doesn't mean anything.

maybe there is no heaven or hell......one go around ....try to live it the best you can....could be that is what it all boils down to...........bob
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
K-22:

I quit the “church” about 1999, and never went back. My discovery of the Book of Enoch opened my eyes to more information, which complements the Bible. There is much, much more information I could post on this forum, but it will only be ridiculed, so I don’t waste my time



Jude says a lot about Enoch in one simple little verse.............. a lot. First, Enoch was one of three who never died. I would think that was kind of important. Important enough one should want to get to know him real well. Jude also hints of a lineage. Adams lineage is not the same as Eve's. Gee, I wonder why? And notice that Cain's lineage is practically the same names as Adam's. Hhmmm! Do we have mirroring going on here to full the masses? What is Enoch doing after he "ascends", it is rather important to know. Notice that only 2 ascend in scripture without dying while the third person never dies and that is considered a punishment. So who was this fella who is being punished and for what reason?
Yes, Jude has a lot to say in one verse and I've only scratched the surface.
Originally Posted by hosfly
Originally Posted by K22
[quote=Ruger4Life]I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth[/quote


I would say you are getting close. Nimrod is the Son of Perdition. Cern is designed to open a portal in which Moloch comes through and the middle of Cern is directly above Apollo's temple.............Abaddon in Hebrew but Apollyon in Greek. With any decent research will reveal that Apollyon was Nimrod who began to become a giant/Nephilim. Leviathan was technically was Lucifer's creation in the first Earth age.
I would argue that the goal of the Nephilim and Lucifer is to defeat the Hebrews who passed through the Caucus Mountains and were no longer known as Hebrews any more. They were known from that point on by another name. Jag should know the other name.
Hebrews,through the Caucus mts,through asia?Ill take Caucasian for $1,000


Damnnnn Hos, I almost choked on my coffee. grin
You won the $1000


"Through these mountains came the Hebrews of old."
From that time forward they lost who they were or to say it differently, they forgot who they were.
Thats why I specifically asked what it said in the Bible.

We have Bibles. We can see what is written in black and white in them.

You are referring to ideas and interpretations various people have.

Im not asking what Hindu or Moslems believe or Buddhists or witches.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Big Nate, the Bible says it is useful for reproach, or correction if you will.

The Bible says the beast is a man.

If someone says pedophilia is Ok, as modern psychology is now starting to do, I will say they are wrong according to the Bible scripture.

The second beast comes from the land and has but 2 horns, like a lamb. He will be the one coming and claiming he comes in the name of the Lord, claiming to be the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:9. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

One come blaspheming the Lord and the other will be claiming to be the Lord. They will work in concert to decieve.

I agree we live in a Beast system, but the Bible, which is the subject of the original question, says these beasts are men.

Man, who scripture says is a liar, says the beast is a system. We have been led to believe that.


Jag, what are you going to do with Rev. 4:7? Are those Beasts men?
I dont know. All i know is that the Bible says the beast is a man. grin
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thats why I specifically asked what it said in the Bible.

We have Bibles. We can see what is written in black and white in them.

You are referring to ideas and interpretations various people have.

Im not asking what Hindu or Moslems believe or Buddhists or witches.


I guess I'm playing devils advocate here. We can see what is written in black and white, but that is not even one thousandth of the meaning.
I would also suggest asking a muslem (islamic) what is written in their book seeing how Ishmael is our half brother and was given a prophecy by the same God that his brother Jacob worshipped. The Quran fills in a huge amount of blanks the Christian bible intentionally left out.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
I dont know. All i know is that the Bible says the beast is a man. grin



I dispute that. Where does it say that?
The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.

Now, it doesnt say the first living creature WAS a lion, it says it was LIKE a lion.

Sheesh. I mean, Biden is like a turd. Some even say Biden is a turd. Some even say he is an asswhole.
Here a boat is called a beast................... grin


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.

Now, it doesnt say the first living creature WAS a lion, it says it was LIKE a lion.

Sheesh. I mean, Biden is like a turd. Some even say Biden is a turd. Some even say he is an asswhole.



Naw, it was very specific................................

7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
The number of the beast is the number of A man.

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six."

The mans number, who is the beast, is 666.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thats why I specifically asked what it said in the Bible.

We have Bibles. We can see what is written in black and white in them.

You are referring to ideas and interpretations various people have.

Im not asking what Hindu or Moslems believe or Buddhists or witches.


jag.....most are taking what is written in black and white and then interpatating the way they see it through their own eyes......bob
K22, i venture to say we will never see a 7 headed beast with 10 horns.
Originally Posted by BobMt
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thats why I specifically asked what it said in the Bible.

We have Bibles. We can see what is written in black and white in them.

You are referring to ideas and interpretations various people have.

Im not asking what Hindu or Moslems believe or Buddhists or witches.


jag.....most are taking what is written in black and white and then interpatating the way they see it through their own eyes......bob


True, and that is why i asked what the Bible specifically said.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The number of the beast is the number of A man.

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six."

The mans number, who is the beast, is 666.


That was interpreted from the Koine Greek. Where in Koine Greek is the word "a"???????
This is what my book says.



Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Originally Posted by BobMt
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Thats why I specifically asked what it said in the Bible.

We have Bibles. We can see what is written in black and white in them.

You are referring to ideas and interpretations various people have.

Im not asking what Hindu or Moslems believe or Buddhists or witches.


jag.....most are taking what is written in black and white and then interpatating the way they see it through their own eyes......bob



The question is what else is it saying besides black and white. The Greeks also used numbers (numbers don't lie) for words so for instance, "white" in Koine Greek is number G3022 (in some places, here I took it from Rev.) and it translates to English as...light, bright, brilliant.
Reading and interpreting a Bible with just "black and white" will net you zilch in understanding.
That may be true.

I think the beast system was ancient Babylon. Now we have modern Babylon.
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.


Actually he said "that generation shall see my coming", so what generation was he referring to? What had to happen before all of it came to pass?
I believe a very good reference was when he told the disciples to go into the city and there you will find a "man" holding a picture of water. There is your huge hint.
You start out in the history of the book with people sacrificing Ox's , then it changes to Rams, then the sacrificing stops and someone comes waltzing in saying follow me I will make you fishers of men, then we go to a future event i.e. our modern time, with a man holding a pitcher of water. All of the hints were right there. Unfortunately the church propaganda keeps us from seeing the picture.


What generation, the one that was alive when HE said it!

MT 24, MK 13 and LK 21, take on a little different meaning or understanding when you realize that JESUS was speaking to 4 men, PRIVATELY.

Recorded for us, but HE was speaking to THEM!!!

THEY, the 4, would see the Great Tribulation............... and 'immediately after' MT 24:29,30 - 'the coming'


So what was the birth date of those 4 men?
Are they shown in other scriptures?



MARK 13:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew were questioning Him privately
Many of us would rather eat schit and die before we would follow or believe a traitor but yet most Christians follow just that sort of fella. According to Thomas it is the very reason he left the disciple group after Jesus ascended. Someone was not teaching what they were instructed to teach. Christians fall all over themselves with the teaching of baptism by water that John taught. Thomas taught the baptism of fire which he said Christ taught. So who was the traitor to Christ? John, then very one Thomas accused of false teaching. John even admits it in writing that he is a traitor. Christ literally told John his punishment for being a traitor to Him was that he, John, would never die until Christ (consciousness) returned. The 10 Northern Tribes pretty much ended up following Thomas through the Caucus mountains after a time.
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
Some Christians believe that Jesus’ teachings on the Mount of Olives, where He warned His followers that they would suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God, was His prediction mostly of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and that it had all come to pass by 70 AD.

Jesus clearly did make a bold and accurate prediction of the Temple’s destruction, some forty years before the event took place.


Actually he said "that generation shall see my coming", so what generation was he referring to? What had to happen before all of it came to pass?
I believe a very good reference was when he told the disciples to go into the city and there you will find a "man" holding a picture of water. There is your huge hint.
You start out in the history of the book with people sacrificing Ox's , then it changes to Rams, then the sacrificing stops and someone comes waltzing in saying follow me I will make you fishers of men, then we go to a future event i.e. our modern time, with a man holding a pitcher of water. All of the hints were right there. Unfortunately the church propaganda keeps us from seeing the picture.


What generation, the one that was alive when HE said it!

MT 24, MK 13 and LK 21, take on a little different meaning or understanding when you realize that JESUS was speaking to 4 men, PRIVATELY.

Recorded for us, but HE was speaking to THEM!!!

THEY, the 4, would see the Great Tribulation............... and 'immediately after' MT 24:29,30 - 'the coming'


So what was the birth date of those 4 men?
Are they shown in other scriptures?



MARK 13:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew were questioning Him privately


I misquoted it above, sorry. It actually said "this", not "that" generation. The word "this" in Koine Greek does not have the same meaning as the English word "this". Hoo' -tos in Greek sometimes means "this", but it usually means "these" and or "she", "man" , "woman" ect. I believe in this instance it means "these" generations. What generations is he talking about? The generations of Man i.e. humans.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
That may be true.

I think the beast system was ancient Babylon. Now we have modern Babylon.



And what was the system of Babylon?
Ok boys and girls, I'm done.
I've got 223's to load up in case one of those Beast shows up at my door. grin
Since these topics get derailed and go off on tangents rather quickly….

I have a question for the guys with more biblical knowledge than I.

So Adam and Eve had sons (we can all agree on that), WHO? did they marry?

God sent Cain away, gave him a mark so OTHERS would recognize him and not kill him. What others?
REV 1: 3 Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep (or follow) the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

To project anything in the Revelation, written to the seven churches, much beyond the 1st century, negates verse 3....................
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
What is the difference between leaving organized religion and thinking your own interprétation is a mandate.
For me, trusting Jesus’ life example, and trusting the Holy Spirit...that’s a firm foundation. The Holy Spirit is our strongest mentor, not organized religion.

The Holy Spirit is a teacher, a helper, and an advocate. Some followers of Jesus truly believe that the same Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead actually resides within them, and teaches them the things that God wants them to know, and helps them live the way that God wants them to live.
Originally Posted by kolofardos
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
That's what he's going to say when that 5th angel pours out his bowl on his seat. It'll be so bad he'll chew on his tongue. But until then he'll actually be extremely well liked and received. The whole world will be in awe of him

Maybe Deflave?


Sock puppetry is beneath The Flave.
Originally Posted by viking
I have a question for the guys with more biblical knowledge than I. So Adam and Eve had sons (we can all agree on that), WHO? did they marry?
Idk. Maybe...if all of humanity is descended from Adam and Eve...as the Bible claims...then one of Adam and Eve’s sons maybe married one of Adam and Eve’s daughters.

Or, maybe the Biblical story of Creation (including Adam and Eve) is allegorical.
Originally Posted by viking
God sent Cain away, gave him a mark so OTHERS would recognize him and not kill him. What others?
Idk. Maybe the other’s were his own brothers and sisters and nephews and nieces who were already born and would be capable of seeking revenge. The fact that Cain had a wife is evidence that Adam and Eve had other children after Cain and Abel, but before Seth.

Or, maybe the Biblical story in the first four chapters of Genesis is allegorical.
Originally Posted by viking
Since these topics get derailed and go off on tangents rather quickly….

I have a question for the guys with more biblical knowledge than I.

So Adam and Eve had sons (we can all agree on that), WHO? did they marry?

God sent Cain away, gave him a mark so OTHERS would recognize him and not kill him. What others?


I do not have that much knowledge but let me give it the old College try.

Lets first start with Adam and Eve which is the reason I posted about the lineages. Reading a coded book in "black and white" is very dangerous if truth is what you are looking for. For instance, if the Bible was truly written that way and is the inspired infallible word of God, then why couldn't he get the lineages correct? One lineage has Jesus descending from the Tribe of Judah, another has him descending from the Tribe of Ephraim. It cannot be both.
So, why is Adam's lineage not the same as Eve's. The parable of the Wheat and the Tares has many meanings with one of them being an enemy has come in and sowed tares. Look at it this way, in the case of Eve, an enemy had sex with her, just like what happened 3 chapters later in the Bible. Lucifer planted his seed in Eve and she got a "man" child (interesting way of saying that about Cain wouldn't you say). Cain was half Angel (lucifer) and half human (Eve). Cain was known as a Nephilim and left to go East to Nod where there were more Nephilim. According to many writings, the Quran being one, the had to be "re-newed" because Lucifer and his merry band trouble makers screwed up the first Earth. Not only did they cross with other "human" creations then, they did with animals, plants, ect. We call it the dinosaur age. The real caveat for us humans to lookout for is this, Lucifer and his angels mirror what we and or God creates, thus it gives the appearance of being us, but deep inside it is a ravenous beast.
Church propaganda inspired by Lucifer (the Angel of LIGHT) has us believing that Genesis 1 is the very beginning of all. It is not by any stretch of the imagination.
A true story should flow like a river, you should not have to jump from puddle to puddle and you should never ever half to explain something away.
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by viking
I have a question for the guys with more biblical knowledge than I. So Adam and Eve had sons (we can all agree on that), WHO? did they marry?
Idk. Maybe...if all of humanity is descended from Adam and Eve...as the Bible claims...then one of Adam and Eve’s sons maybe married one of Adam and Eve’s daughters.

Or, maybe the Biblical story of Creation (including Adam and Eve) is allegorical.
Originally Posted by viking
God sent Cain away, gave him a mark so OTHERS would recognize him and not kill him. What others?
Idk. Maybe the other’s were his own brothers and sisters and nephews and nieces who were already born and would be capable of seeking revenge. The fact that Cain had a wife is evidence that Adam and Eve had other children after Cain and Abel, but before Seth.

Or, maybe the Biblical story in the first four chapters of Genesis is allegorical.



If I wanted to have the truth, then I would want to know that information. It literally begins this whole story and sets up the characters. It is real important to know this.
I think it’s likely that there are some things that we’re not gonna understand on this side of the grave. There’s something to be said for seeking Him and His righteousness first, and He’ll give us everything we need. If we trust in Him and acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He’ll direct our paths. That’s a promise. We can’t depend upon our own ability to understand everything that He says and does.

Even though we can have a true and personal relationship with Him, it is clear that He is ultimately way beyond our ability to fully fathom.
Originally Posted by antlers
I think it’s likely that there are some things that we’re not gonna understand on this side of the grave. There’s something to be said for seeking Him and His righteousness first, and He’ll give us everything we need. If we trust in Him and acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He’ll direct our paths. That’s a promise. We can’t depend upon our own ability to understand everything that He says and does.

Even though we can have a true and personal relationship with Him, it is clear that He is ultimately way beyond our ability to fully fathom.



And because of that Church false teaching, we never can ascend which is the reason it is taught as truth.
As for me and my family, we will believe and follow what Christ taught and try our best do greater things than He did.
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
I think it’s likely that there are some things that we’re not gonna understand on this side of the grave. There’s something to be said for seeking Him and His righteousness first, and He’ll give us everything we need. If we trust in Him and acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He’ll direct our paths. That’s a promise. We can’t depend upon our own ability to understand everything that He says and does.

Even though we can have a true and personal relationship with Him, it is clear that He is ultimately way beyond our ability to fully fathom.



And because of that Church false teaching, we never can ascend which is the reason it is taught as truth.
As for me and my family, we will believe and follow what Christ taught and try our best do greater things than He did.


Are there written instructions in book form that one may read which has this correct info and if so where is it?
For me, regarding all of these Biblical and Christian and theological discussions that arise on this forum sometimes, I conclude that what made Christianity so attractive in the first few centuries of its existence was Jesus’ resurrection. And I believe that a renewed focus on that can make Christianity attractive to people again.

Even though some of the Bible really troubles a lotta people, and causes them to struggle with doubt...understandably so...those things pale in comparison to the reality of Jesus rising from the dead. Even if the Bible contains allegory, and even if a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible isn’t possible or realistic for many...that does nothing to undermine the reality of Jesus’ resurrection and the claims that He made about Himself.

That’s not denying the Bible, it’s simply saying that...for me...I’ve gotta first start with a resurrected Jesus, and then make the case for the Bible, and not the other way around. No matter what one thinks about the Bible, if Jesus is risen from the dead, then Christianity is true. Period.

I do not believe that Christianity is true just because an inerrant Bible says so. For me, Christianity would still be true even if the Bible were never written. I accept the story of Jesus’ resurrection, and how I look at the Bible flows from the truth of that event. My view of Scripture follows from my understanding of who the Resurrected Jesus really is, and not the reverse.
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Too many people don't want to believe sin , is sin.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Too many people don't want to believe sin , is sin.



I used to be very much into archery. Not so much any more. Shoulders won't cooperate as much as they used to.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by antlers
I think it’s likely that there are some things that we’re not gonna understand on this side of the grave. There’s something to be said for seeking Him and His righteousness first, and He’ll give us everything we need. If we trust in Him and acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He’ll direct our paths. That’s a promise. We can’t depend upon our own ability to understand everything that He says and does.

Even though we can have a true and personal relationship with Him, it is clear that He is ultimately way beyond our ability to fully fathom.



And because of that Church false teaching, we never can ascend which is the reason it is taught as truth.
As for me and my family, we will believe and follow what Christ taught and try our best do greater things than He did.


Are there written instructions in book form that one may read which has this correct info and if so where is it?



There are many, along with your 6th chakra..........the third eye.
Get yourself a Ferrar Fenton Bible for starters and a Strongs Exhaustive Concordance. Then there is the 1611 Geneva Bible, the Book of Enoch, the Book Jasher, The book of Jubilee's, The Book of War, Star Wars - the War between the 5 Pointed Star and the 6 Pointed Star, and on and on and on. There are also the Books of Mythology including Hebrew Mythology.
It is so much easier today than it was years ago when I was researching. You have the Internet with all of the sources.
So easy a child can understand. frown
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Are there written instructions in book form that one may read which has this correct info and if so where is it?
Originally Posted by K22
There are many, along with your 6th chakra..........the third eye. Get yourself a Ferrar Fenton Bible for starters and a Strongs Exhaustive Concordance. Then there is the 1611 Geneva Bible, the Book of Enoch, the Book Jasher, The book of Jubilee's, The Book of War, Star Wars - the War between the 5 Pointed Star and the 6 Pointed Star, and on and on and on. There are also the Books of Mythology including Hebrew Mythology. It is so much easier today than it was years ago when I was researching. You have the Internet with all of the sources.
I realize that I see things differently than a lotta others. The men and women who actually knew Jesus personally and chose to follow Him...people like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Andrew, Mary, Martha, and Paul...the men and women whose faith laid the groundwork for the evangelization of the entire world, not only did so without a Strong’s Concordance...or any of the other sources listed above...they did so without the Bible itself. And they received salvation...without even having the Bible itself...as did many, many followers of Jesus who came after them.
Originally Posted by antlers
For me, regarding all of these Biblical and Christian and theological discussions that arise on this forum sometimes, I conclude that what made Christianity so attractive in the first few centuries of its existence was Jesus’ resurrection. And I believe that a renewed focus on that can make Christianity attractive to people again.

Even though some of the Bible really troubles a lotta people, and causes them to struggle with doubt...understandably so...those things pale in comparison to the reality of Jesus rising from the dead. Even if the Bible contains allegory, and even if a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible isn’t possible or realistic for many...that does nothing to undermine the reality of Jesus’ resurrection and the claims that He made about Himself.

That’s not denying the Bible, it’s simply saying that...for me...I’ve gotta first start with a resurrected Jesus, and then make the case for the Bible, and not the other way around. No matter what one thinks about the Bible, if Jesus is risen from the dead, then Christianity is true. Period.

I do not believe that Christianity is true just because an inerrant Bible says so. For me, Christianity would still be true even if the Bible were never written. I accept the story of Jesus’ resurrection, and how I look at the Bible flows from the truth of that event. My view of Scripture follows from my understanding of who the Resurrected Jesus really is, and not the reverse.


Lot of truth to that. The Bible is a long story revolving around that.

Which Bibles are blasphemy is open to interpretation by us. The punishment for the sin of blasphemy or its forgiveness falls with Him.
The wild beast in revelation is the governments! The image of the wild beast is the United nations! The image of the wild beast will be used to destroy the great harlot/ False Christians who have committed fornication/ spiritual adultery with the Kings of the earth. These false Christians will worship the wild beast/ governments in that they will look to the governments for answers to the world's problem.

This is not open for debate or discussion! Very soon you will see the UN make an all out attack on these false Christians. Watch and probably not learn
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Are there written instructions in book form that one may read which has this correct info and if so where is it?
Originally Posted by K22
There are many, along with your 6th chakra..........the third eye. Get yourself a Ferrar Fenton Bible for starters and a Strongs Exhaustive Concordance. Then there is the 1611 Geneva Bible, the Book of Enoch, the Book Jasher, The book of Jubilee's, The Book of War, Star Wars - the War between the 5 Pointed Star and the 6 Pointed Star, and on and on and on. There are also the Books of Mythology including Hebrew Mythology. It is so much easier today than it was years ago when I was researching. You have the Internet with all of the sources.
I realize that I see things differently than a lotta others. The men and women who actually knew Jesus personally and chose to follow Him...people like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Andrew, Mary, Martha, and Paul...the men and women whose faith laid the groundwork for the evangelization of the entire world, not only did so without a Strong’s Concordance...or any of the other sources listed above...they did so without the Bible itself. And they received salvation...without even having the Bible itself...as did many, many followers of Jesus who came after them.


First off, it helps you speak the language and are sitting right there where a question, "what do you mean by that" can be asked and answered.
Second, John was a very controversial figure and a traitor.
Back then, they knew and understood Roman Law. We should because much of ours is patterned after it. For instance, how many witnesses does it take to convict someone back then and in our country today. And yes, that applies to then.
Matthew got his story possibly third to fourth hand and that story was based on someone's dream......Joseph's. The lineage in Matthew does not match the lineage in the Old Testament.
Heck man, I could go on and on. Thomas Jefferson was one of the founding fathers who disagreed with Christianity and much of the Bible writings. He wrote his own bible called the Jefferson Bible. Actually he removed everything he said was not true in the new testament which made for a very small book.
We all see things different at times and I for one know quite well that perception is practically impossible to change. Thomas Paine alluded to that in his letter to his Preacher friend who was arguing that his Christian God was the only true God and the Muslim's God was false. Paine answered that his Muslim friend was of the opinion that his God was the only true God and the Christian God was false. So Paine's conclusion to his Preacher friend was this: The only reason the Christian thinks his God is the true one and the Muslims think their is the true one is because of accident of birth. That my friend is perception.
2 scriptures that has always propelled me to search and research was Hosea 4:6 and 2 Timothy 2:15.
If God's people are destroy for their lack of knowledge and also they have no knowledge of God well, dude, that got my attention.
Originally Posted by Trystan
The wild beast in revelation is the governments! The image of the wild beast is the United nations! The image of the wild beast will be used to destroy the great harlot/ False Christians who have committed fornication/ spiritual adultery with the Kings of the earth. These false Christians will worship the wild beast/ governments in that they will look to the governments for answers to the world's problem.

This is not open for debate or discussion! Very soon you will see the UN make an all out attack on these false Christians. Watch and probably not learn



They better hurry up get it launch cause they ain't got much time left............maybe a year and some months.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by antlers
For me, regarding all of these Biblical and Christian and theological discussions that arise on this forum sometimes, I conclude that what made Christianity so attractive in the first few centuries of its existence was Jesus’ resurrection. And I believe that a renewed focus on that can make Christianity attractive to people again.

Even though some of the Bible really troubles a lotta people, and causes them to struggle with doubt...understandably so...those things pale in comparison to the reality of Jesus rising from the dead. Even if the Bible contains allegory, and even if a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible isn’t possible or realistic for many...that does nothing to undermine the reality of Jesus’ resurrection and the claims that He made about Himself.

That’s not denying the Bible, it’s simply saying that...for me...I’ve gotta first start with a resurrected Jesus, and then make the case for the Bible, and not the other way around. No matter what one thinks about the Bible, if Jesus is risen from the dead, then Christianity is true. Period.

I do not believe that Christianity is true just because an inerrant Bible says so. For me, Christianity would still be true even if the Bible were never written. I accept the story of Jesus’ resurrection, and how I look at the Bible flows from the truth of that event. My view of Scripture follows from my understanding of who the Resurrected Jesus really is, and not the reverse.


Lot of truth to that. The Bible is a long story revolving around that.

Which Bibles are blasphemy is open to interpretation by us. The punishment for the sin of blasphemy or its forgiveness falls with Him.


? confused
I'm a little shocked Jag.
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.”

But its ok, I'm done.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Too many people don't want to believe sin , is sin.


And too many more think that they can do-good themselves into heaven.
Antlers you hit pretty close to what I believe. Wasn't the bible written
as to how to live your life. It's a personal relationship. The idea its my way or the highway doesn't fly with me but I do respect most interprétations as long as they are proponents of good.
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I’m continuously amazed by the amount of rabid Christians that have never read the fugking Bible.
Do only Christians get into heaven?
Originally Posted by deflave
I’m continuously amazed by the amount of rabid Christians that have never read the fugking Bible.



Amazing isnt it.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by deflave
I’m continuously amazed by the amount of rabid Christians that have never read the fugking Bible.



Amazing isnt it.



You're one of them, you illiterate fugk!
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Do only Christians get into heaven?


Retards excluded.

Enjoy Texas.

LOL
Hahaha. Thou shalt not bear false witnesss, biotch.

If you had half a clue youd know there is a difference between having read it and remembering all of it.

You aint no Kaywoodie either so GFY.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Hahaha. Thou shalt not bear false witnesss, biotch.

If you had half a clue youd know there is a difference between having read it and remembering all of it.

You aint no Kaywoodie either so GFY.


Fugkin' Jews know more about the New Testament than you do.
Déflave thanks for your keen observation and contribution to this thread.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Hahaha. Thou shalt not bear false witnesss, biotch.

If you had half a clue youd know there is a difference between having read it and remembering all of it.

You aint no Kaywoodie either so GFY.


Fugkin' Jews know more about the New Testament than you do.




Hahaha. Funny and you're right. They're nervous.
SAC, you're right. One of the beasts isnt a man. She has those vacuum lips pulled back past her dick cheese scrapers.

Amazing how folks resort to name-calling and profanity when they cannot participate in an intelligent conversation.
It's been like that since Grade School.
In the game of Wits, they seem to always choose the "Dim" token.
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Ew, the price is to be hung on a cross?
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Keep your eye on the Prize Folks.[Linked Image from dasg7xwmldix6.cloudfront.net]


Your mom?



LOL
Originally Posted by K22
Ew, the price is to be hung on a cross?



He, payed the Price.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Originally Posted by K22
Ew, the price is to be hung on a cross?



He, payed the Price.


If you’re his flock he got royally fugked.

LOL
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Big Nate, the Bible says it is useful for reproach, or correction if you will.

The Bible says the beast is a man.

If someone says pedophilia is Ok, as modern psychology is now starting to do, I will say they are wrong according to the Bible scripture.

The second beast comes from the land and has but 2 horns, like a lamb. He will be the one coming and claiming he comes in the name of the Lord, claiming to be the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:9. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

One come blaspheming the Lord and the other will be claiming to be the Lord. They will work in concert to decieve.

I agree we live in a Beast system, but the Bible, which is the subject of the original question, says these beasts are men.

Man, who scripture says is a liar, says the beast is a system. We have been led to believe that.


By all means, if you you are going to "correct" someone, you better have scripture to back it up.

Man can't be trusted. The Bible as you know it, and have studied, has been translated and interpreted. You trust there was no motive to it being written a certain way? Or books being left out?

There's a difference between the beast and the antichrist.
Originally Posted by antlers
I think it’s likely that there are some things that we’re not gonna understand on this side of the grave. There’s something to be said for seeking Him and His righteousness first, and He’ll give us everything we need. If we trust in Him and acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He’ll direct our paths. That’s a promise. We can’t depend upon our own ability to understand everything that He says and does.

Even though we can have a true and personal relationship with Him, it is clear that He is ultimately way beyond our ability to fully fathom.


This can't be stressed enough. Thanks for typing this up.
I'm a simple man, John 3: 16.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
A man?



This is a great question that I have asked myself more than a few times. Some passages sound like it's a man and others sound like it's a system.

It's a little too late to get into it now in details, but hears some points I like to remind myself of.

A. The Bible is infallible
B. The Bible is like a puzzle in that each piece has a place, but sometimes takes a while to find them as well as get the big picture.
C. If something seems confusing or contradictory, then it's because I need to search with Help of the Holy Spirit, because I just don't quite get where the puzzle pieces go.

Now I suggest a possibility that may not have been considered after the following example.

Who is the Antichrist of Revelation?
Let's compare "The antichrist" to those many antichrists that John warned about.

I John 2:18
"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

2 nd and 1st John's epistles define who is an antichrist.
Revelation also gives descriptions of him.

My view is that both descriptions John gave are correct.
Likewise, please consider this.....
Is it possible that there is a man of sin, an antichrist in the last days who exalts himself as God AND be many antichrists from the time John wrote those?

Think about this, beast man OR beast system?
Maybe the question can be phrased beast man AND beast system?

Think about it next time as you read the book through and please let me know what you think.

The picture looks clearer to me when I ask the question with the conjunction 'and".

Happy Camper
The Beasts (the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet) will be 2 powerful people who will be empowered by Satan.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

The Anti-Christ will be a world government leader, possibly a dictator, but definitely a hater of the Jewish faith and people. He will target those who believe in Jesus. Daniel 11:32-35. The Anti-Christ will be his own religion but Satan incarnate.

The Anti-Christ will be a vile, evil person who will present himself as a replacement for Jesus. Scripture refers to him as the Lawless One and the Son of Perdition. 2 Thess 2:3, 8

Daniel 11:21 “And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably and seize the kingdom by intrigue.”
See also Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thess 2:3-4

He will deceptively promise peace, but he will actually be in partnership with Satan. The Anti-Christ will sit in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and claim to be God and demand to be worshipped. Matthew 24, Revelation 11. We won’t know who the Anti-Christ is until the tribulation. The first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation will see the rise of the Anti-Christ, and the last 3 1/2 years will be the abomination of desolation.

The Anti-Christ will try to deceive people from trusting in and serving God, and there will be an outpouring of spiritual deception to get the world to rebel against God. 1 John 2:15-18

The Mark of the Beast will be submission to and recognition of the Anti-Christ as Lord and will be the basis of God’s wrath to be poured out, Revelation 16:1-2, 8-11, as well as the rejection of Jesus and the Bible, Rev 14:9-12.

The False Prophet will appear as a worldwide religious leader who will be able to do great signs and wonders. He will cause the entire world to accept the Mark of the Beast.Rev 13:11-18, Rev 19:20-21

People will be forced to take the Mark of the Beast in order to buy or sell, Rev 13:16-17.

The anti-Christ will rise up out the great falling away and he will establish a false church, opposed to the Lord. There's a good possibility that he will be a religious leader who is respected by all faiths. Possibly a renegade pope?
We're in a stage now where Christianity is being knocked down at every turn. Churches all over are turning to false beliefs like supporting homosexuality. We could very well be in this great falling away right now.
The Bible says that in those days people will throw their silver and gold in the streets because it will be worthless. I'm thinking that 'gold' can now be translated as cryptocurrency.

Eze 7:19 They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will be an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not be able to save them in the day of the LORD's wrath. They will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it, for it has made them stumble into sin.


There are already many antichrists.
The beast(s) are not on the scene yet, however the beast system is active.

Most preachers think that it has to be one or the other.
Some verses speak of one and other verses, the system.
Context reveals which is which.
Both exist, or will exist in the proper time.
Maybe non-binary
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
We're in a stage now where Christianity is being knocked down at every turn. Churches all over are turning to false beliefs like supporting homosexuality. We could very well be in this great falling away right now.
Some people nowadays continue to be challenged when the teachings in the Bible are contradicted by reason and experience. Slavery is a prime example; “Love your neighbor as yourself” doesn’t leave a whole lotta room for owning other human beings and enslaving them. But the American South had the Bible on their side. The Bible admonished slaves to submit to their masters; and the Bible considered slavery to be part of the divine order of things. But we now know better.

We don’t execute adulterers, we don’t execute those who break the Sabbath, and we don’t execute rebellious children. We don’t exclude women from church services because they’re on their period, and we don’t exclude men from church services because they’re crippled. But all of this is commanded in the Bible.

Women should be silent in church, not even permitted to speak in church, and they shouldn’t even be allowed to teach in church…?
People should obey the government…?
Slaves should sincerely obey their masters…?
We are all admonished to abide by these things in the Bible.

We know a thing or two nowadays that Moses and the Apostle Paul didn’t know, and we proceed accordingly.

To me, as far as “Christianity is being knocked down at every turn”…some ‘Christian’s’ are doin’ more damage to the cause of Jesus than not only gays are, but that Satan Himself is. Christianity is gonna continue hemorrhaging members at an unprecedented rate, and it’s not gonna be because of gays.

I’m glad that God doesn’t cherry-pick the way some ‘Christians’ do, and I'm glad that Jesus wasn't too busy polishing His halo to come down here and put his feet on the ground and interact in a constructive way with ALL of us sinners.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
K22, i venture to say we will never see a 7 headed beast with 10 horns.


Or was it a 10 headed beast with 7 horns? I read it a long time ago but it seemed to me to be the latter. I could be mistaken. But either way it would be a helluva trophy to mount on your wall.

Seriously, what does this whole thread have to do with anything Jesus taught us to do?
At no time does the Bible condone slavery. It accepts it as a fact of life and it gives rules for slaves and owners to live by but it doesn't say it's good or proper.
Paul gave rules for women that, for his time, were very liberal. He allowed women to be in church, for example. The Jews didn't do that. Their temple had a court of women and they weren't allowed to go in any farther than that.

No, homosexuality won't be the make or break sin but it's an example of how churches are allowing sin to creep in. It's a symptom of what's going on.

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
At no time does the Bible condone slavery. It accepts it as a fact of life and it gives rules for slaves and owners to live by but it doesn't say it's good or proper.
con·done
/kənˈdōn/
verb
accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
approve or sanction (something), especially with reluctance.
ANTICHRIST

He will be an insignificant ruler which rises among the “10 horns” of the beast-kingdom (Daniel 7:7-8). (See also- The Ten Horns of the End-Times Beast- part 1)
He will overpower three of the other “kings without kingdoms” (Daniel 7:8, 24; Revelation 17:12).
He will have the “eyes of a man” and a “mouth speaking great things” (Daniel 7:8, 20; Revelation 13:5).
He will look more fierce than the other ten kings (Daniel 7:20).
He will make war against the saints, and prevail against them (Daniel 7:21: Revelation 13:7).
He will be different than the other ten kings (Daniel 7:24).
He will blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 11:36-38).
He will seek to change times and laws (Daniel 7:25).
He will have the saints delivered into his hands for 3 ½ years (Daniel 7:25; 8:24). (See also- The Difference Between Tribulation And The Great Tribulation)
He will gain worldwide power, and overthrow some of the greatest rulers (Daniel 8:10).
He will be wise in deceitfulness (Daniel 8:23, 12). (See also- How To Recognize The Antichrist #6, Lies)
He will be mighty, but his power comes from Satan (Daniel 8:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).
He will cause shrewdness to prosper (Daniel 8:25).
He will corrupt, with flattery, those who do wickedly against God (Daniel 11:32). (See also- What Is The Apostasy, And When Will It Occur?)
He will exalt himself above every other God (Daniel 11:36-37, 8:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). (See also- What Is The Abomination Of Desolation?)
He will not regard the “desire of women” (Daniel 11:37).
He will honor a “god of forces”, which his ancestors knew not (Daniel 11:38; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).
He will lead the world into following this new god (Daniel 11:39).
He will be a strong, successful military leader (Daniel 11:40; 8:9).
He will overthrow many countries (specifically Egypt, but not Jordan), and invade Israel (Daniel 11:41-42).
He will plunder the riches of Egypt (Daniel 11:43).
He will set up his headquarters in Jerusalem (Daniel 11:45, 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
When he comes to his end, no one will help him (Daniel 11:45).
He will be revealed before the rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4). (See also- Rapture Timing In Relation To The Anti-Christ)
His coming will be accompanied by Satanic miracles (2 Thessalonians 2:9).
He will lead the world in unrighteousness (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). (See also- Mob Mentality, And The Antichrist)
He will gather the leaders of earth and their armies to make war against Christ (Revelation 19:19) .
He and his kingdom will be destroyed at the coming of Jesus (Revelation 19:20-21; Daniel 7:26; 2 Thessalonians 2:8).

BEAST-KINGDOM

It will be a coalition of four major governments, one of which is a coalition of four lesser governments, along with the ten kings led by the Antichrist (Daniel 7:2-7; Revelation 13:1-2).
It will be diverse from the other three (Daniel 7:19).
It will have “teeth of iron” and “nails of brass” (Daniel 7:19).
It will rise from the sea (Revelation 13:1; Daniel 7:3).
It will have a “name of blasphemy” (Revelation 13:1).
It will be given its power by Satan (Revelation 13:2).
One of the seven governments will be “wounded to death”, but the wound, (possibly not the government) will be healed (Revelation 13:3).
It will fill the world with wonder and respect (Revelation 13:3-4, 8).
It will be led by the Antichrist, and power given him for 42 months (Revelation 13:5).
It will be given power to wage war against, and to overcome God’s people (Revelation 13:7).
It will eventually be given authority over all the world (Revelation 13:7).
It will have a number (666) that can be figured out by those with spiritual understanding (Revelation 13:18).
It will gather armies together to wage war against Jesus (Revelation 19:19).
It will be cast into hell, along with the second beast (the false prophet) (Revelation 19:20).

FALSE PROPHET

It will arise some time after the beast-kingdom, and will appear less monstrous than the beast-kingdom (Revelation 13:11).
It will be a coalition of two kingdoms (Revelation 13:11).
It will have the authority of the beast-kingdom, and will cause the world to worship the beast-kingdom (Revelation 13:12).
It will appear to perform miracles, like making fire come down from Heaven, and deceive unbelievers (Revelation 13:13-14).
It will cause the world to make an image to the beast-kingdom (Revelation 13:14).
It will appear to give life to the image of the beast (Revelation 13:15).
It will cause anyone who does not worship the beast to be killed (Revelation 13:15).
It will cause everyone on earth to receive the “mark of the beast” (Revelation 13:16). (See also- The Mark Of The Beast- What It Is, And What It Is Not)
It will prevent anyone without the mark from buying or selling (Revelation 13:17).
It will be cast into hell, along with the beast-kingdom, at the coming of Jesus (Revelation 19:20). (See also- Is The American Socialist Media The False Prophet Of Revelation?)
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Do only Christians get into heaven?
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Do only Christians get into heaven?




Not according to the Muslims.
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Do only Christians get into heaven?




Not according to the Muslims.



Enoch was a righteous man and not a Christian, 'caught up to heaven'......

Able also a righteous man and not Christian.............

That was then.................
Enoch, Abel, Abraham, etc. were saved by what Jesus would do later. In the OT they're called righteous, meaning believers in God. It was through faith then, just as it is now. They didn't know Jesus by name but faith in God saved them through the blood that Jesus would shed later.
Muslims? Bhuddists? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.

BUT: Jesus also said that whoever knocks, the door will be opened. God's will is that everyone will be saved and he made that possible. We don't know how, but Muslims and the rest can be saved through Jesus.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The Bible says that in those days people will throw their silver and gold in the streets because it will be worthless. I'm thinking that 'gold' can now be translated as cryptocurrency.

Eze 7:19 They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will be an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not be able to save them in the day of the LORD's wrath. They will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it, for it has made them stumble into sin.


Im thinking it could be referring to any form of money the NWO Bolshevick cabal has fought and killed and schemed for.

The love of money.....

When that day comes our Federal Reserve Notes will be worthless for more than ass wipe, which is slightly less than what it's worth now.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Enoch, Abel, Abraham, etc. were saved by what Jesus would do later. In the OT they're called righteous, meaning believers in God. It was through faith then, just as it is now. They didn't know Jesus by name but faith in God saved them through the blood that Jesus would shed later.
Muslims? Bhuddists? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.

BUT: Jesus also said that whoever knocks, the door will be opened. God's will is that everyone will be saved and he made that possible. We don't know how, but Muslims and the rest can be saved through Jesus.


Yes, by rejecting Muhammad and accepting and believing and saying with their mouth that JESUS CHRIST is Lord and Gods son born of the virgin Mary and that HE shed HIS blood to cleanse us of our sins and that HE defeated death and arose again.

It could prove worthwhile for many to pray for HIM to enter into their heart and to help them to believe in HIM.

If you dont believe HIS sacrifice can cleanse you of your sins then you must believe HE suffered and died in vain and that you have no hope and are lost.

Pray you Believe you are worthy by HIS sacrifice.

Pray you can be led to believe the truth, which is, that is how much HE loves you. HE loves you more than you love yourself or your own son. Thats why HE gave HIS son, JESUS Christ to die to save you, that you could have everlasting life with HIM, your Father, in Heaven.

Amen.
Hhmmmm!!!!!

Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.”
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Enoch, Abel, Abraham, etc. were saved by what Jesus would do later. In the OT they're called righteous, meaning believers in God. It was through faith then, just as it is now. They didn't know Jesus by name but faith in God saved them through the blood that Jesus would shed later.
Muslims? Bhuddists? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.

BUT: Jesus also said that whoever knocks, the door will be opened. God's will is that everyone will be saved and he made that possible. We don't know how, but Muslims and the rest can be saved through Jesus.


Yes, by rejecting Muhammad and accepting and believing and saying with their mouth that JESUS CHRIST is Lord and Gods son born of the virgin Mary and that HE shed HIS blood to cleanse us of our sins and that HE defeated death and arose again.

It could prove worthwhile for many to pray for HIM to enter into their heart and to help them to believe in HIM.

If you dont believe HIS sacrifice can cleanse you of your sins then you must believe HE suffered and died in vain and that you have no hope and are lost.

Pray you Believe you are worthy by HIS sacrifice.

Pray you can be led to believe the truth, which is, that is how much HE loves you. HE loves you more than you love yourself or your own son. Thats why HE gave HIS son, JESUS Christ to die to save you, that you could have everlasting life with HIM, your Father, in Heaven.

Amen.
It's clear that there are many in the world who never hear of Jesus. Yet Jesus did say that it's God's will that none should perish. He has a way that they can be saved but the Bible doesn't say how, only that it's by Jesus' blood even though they've never heard of him. Romans also says that God calls those who he foreknows will respond. Possibly he takes that as their choice, knowing that if they heard, they would believe.
You all think you are good christian`s but you support the beast which is trump.

Whenever someone says to me they are a christian I check to make sure I still have my wallet and check the silverware.

You mouth the words you type the words, but you support the unholy one. The one who is trying to tear this country apart.

You have all been blinded by the cult of personality and the charisma of trump the unholy. The path with trump lead to destruction.

You have all been convinced that truth is lie and lie is truth. May God have mercy for all of you.
And some tards say Joe Biden is the devil.
Looks like you're the flipside of that coin.
Trumps is a beast à patriotic beast:
* against abortion
* against pedofiles
* against human trafficing
* pro military
* made the us energy indépendant
* closed border that contrôls criminal access
* showed us the fake média
* showed us there could be peace in the middle east
* booming economy
Funny bone what has sniffin joe and pedo hunter done for our country. Président can't talk vice président just laughing. You sir are mentally déficient.
Just because my avatar says trump lost does not mean I support Biden, but now that Biden is President I do like him a little better than that lying piece of s h it you guys all worship...

There is no flip side of the coin in this debate, trump is the one leading you guys and the country to destruction.

You all believe a lying corrupt figure of a piggish man.
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Here are a few of Trumps accomplishments:

Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.
Tax Relief for the Middle Class
Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.

Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.
Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.

Created nearly 9,000 Opportunity Zones where capital gains on long-term investments are taxed at zero.
Opportunity Zone designations have increased property values within them by 1.1 percent, creating an estimated $11 billion in wealth for the nearly half of Opportunity Zone residents who own their own home.
Opportunity Zones have attracted $75 billion in funds and driven $52 billion of new investment in economically distressed communities, creating at least 500,000 new jobs.
Approximately 1 million Americans will be lifted from poverty as a result of these new investments.
Private equity investments into businesses in Opportunity Zones were nearly 30 percent higher than investments into businesses in similar areas that were not designated Opportunity Zones.
Massive Deregulation
Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers.

Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted.
Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year.
Reduced the direct cost of regulatory compliance by $50 billion, and will reduce costs by an additional $50 billion in FY 2020 alone.
Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the Federal Register – more than any other president. The previous administration added over 16,000 pages.
Established the Governors’ Initiative on Regulatory Innovation to reduce outdated regulations at the state, local, and tribal levels.
Signed an executive order to make it easier for businesses to offer retirement plans.
Signed two executive orders to increase transparency in Federal agencies and protect Americans and their small businesses from administrative abuse.
Modernized the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) for the first time in over 40 years.
Reduced approval times for major infrastructure projects from 10 or more years down to 2 years or less.
Helped community banks by signing legislation that rolled back costly provisions of Dodd-Frank.
Established the White House Council on Eliminating Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing to bring down housing costs.
Removed regulations that threatened the development of a strong and stable internet.
Eased and simplified restrictions on rocket launches, helping to spur commercial investment in space projects.
Published a whole-of-government strategy focused on ensuring American leadership in automated vehicle technology.
Streamlined energy efficiency regulations for American families and businesses, including preserving affordable lightbulbs, enhancing the utility of showerheads, and enabling greater time savings with dishwashers.
Removed unnecessary regulations that restrict the seafood industry and impede job creation.
Modernized the Department of Agriculture’s biotechnology regulations to put America in the lead to develop new technologies.
Took action to suspend regulations that would have slowed our response to COVID-19, including lifting restrictions on manufacturers to more quickly produce ventilators.
Successfully rolled back burdensome regulatory overreach.

Rescinded the previous administration’s Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) rule, which would have abolished zoning for single-family housing to build low-income, federally subsidized apartments.
Issued a final rule on the Fair Housing Act’s disparate impact standard.
Eliminated the Waters of the United States Rule and replaced it with the Navigable Waters Protection Rule, providing relief and certainty for farmers and property owners.
Repealed the previous administration’s costly fuel economy regulations by finalizing the Safer Affordable Fuel Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles rule, which will make cars more affordable, and lower the price of new vehicles by an estimated $2,200.
Americans now have more money in their pockets.

Deregulation had an especially beneficial impact on low-income Americans who pay a much higher share of their incomes for overregulation.
Cut red tape in the healthcare industry, providing Americans with more affordable healthcare and saving Americans nearly 10 percent on prescription drugs.
Deregulatory efforts yielded savings to the medical community an estimated $6.6 billion – with a reduction of 42 million hours of regulatory compliance work through 2021.
Removed government barriers to personal freedom and consumer choice in healthcare.
Once fully in effect, 20 major deregulatory actions undertaken by the Trump Administration are expected to save American consumers and businesses over $220 billion per year.
Signed 16 pieces of deregulatory legislation that will result in a $40 billion increase in annual real incomes.
Fair and Reciprocal Trade
Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers.

Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers.
The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over ten years.
Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas.
Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products and ended its ban on potatoes and lamb.
Over 90 percent of American agricultural exports to Japan now receive preferential treatment, and most are duty-free.
Negotiated another deal with Japan to boost $40 billion worth of digital trade.
Renegotiated the United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement, doubling the cap on imports of American vehicles and extending the American light truck tariff.
Reached a written, fully-enforceable Phase One trade agreement with China on confronting pirated and counterfeit goods, and the protection of American ideas, trade secrets, patents, and trademarks.
China agreed to purchase an additional $200 billion worth of United States exports and opened market access for over 4,000 American facilities to exports while all tariffs remained in effect.
Achieved a mutual agreement with the European Union (EU) that addresses unfair trade practices and increases duty-free exports by 180 percent to $420 million.
Secured a pledge from the EU to eliminate tariffs on American lobster – the first United States-European Union negotiated tariff reduction in over 20 years.
Scored a historic victory by overhauling the Universal Postal Union, whose outdated policies were undermining American workers and interests.
Engaged extensively with trade partners like the EU and Japan to advance reforms to the World Trade Organization (WTO).
Issued a first-ever comprehensive report on the WTO Appellate Body’s failures to comply with WTO rules and interpret WTO agreements as written.
Blocked nominees to the WTO’s Appellate Body until WTO Members recognize and address longstanding issues with Appellate Body activism.
Submitted 5 papers to the WTO Committee on Agriculture to improve Members’ understanding of how trade policies are implemented, highlight areas for improved transparency, and encourage members to maintain up-to-date notifications on market access and domestic support.
Took strong actions to confront unfair trade practices and put America First.

Imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions worth of Chinese goods to protect American jobs and stop China’s abuses under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974.
Directed an all-of-government effort to halt and punish efforts by the Communist Party of China to steal and profit from American innovations and intellectual property.
Imposed tariffs on foreign aluminum and foreign steel to protect our vital industries and support our national security.
Approved tariffs on $1.8 billion in imports of washing machines and $8.5 billion in imports of solar panels.
Blocked illegal timber imports from Peru.
Took action against France for its digital services tax that unfairly targets American technology companies.
Launched investigations into digital services taxes that have been proposed or adopted by 10 other countries.
Historic support for American farmers.

Successfully negotiated more than 50 agreements with countries around the world to increase foreign market access and boost exports of American agriculture products, supporting more than 1 million American jobs.
Authorized $28 billion in aid for farmers who have been subjected to unfair trade practices – fully funded by the tariffs paid by China.
China lifted its ban on poultry, opened its market to beef, and agreed to purchase at least $80 billion of American agricultural products in the next two years.
The European Union agreed to increase beef imports by 180 percent and opened up its market to more imports of soybeans.
South Korea lifted its ban on American poultry and eggs, and agreed to provide market access for record exports of American rice.
Argentina lifted its ban on American pork.
Brazil agreed to increase wheat imports by $180 million a year and raised its quotas for purchases of United States ethanol.
Guatemala and Tunisia opened up their markets to American eggs.
Won tariff exemptions in Ecuador for wheat and soybeans.
Suspended $817 million in trade preferences for Thailand under the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) program due to its failure to adequately provide reasonable market access for American pork products.
The amount of food stamps redeemed at farmers markets increased from $1.4 million in May 2020 to $1.75 million in September 2020 – a 50 percent increase over last year.
Rapidly deployed the Coronavirus Food Assistance Program, which provided $30 billion in support to farmers and ranchers facing decreased prices and market disruption when COVID-19 impacted the food supply chain.
Authorized more than $6 billion for the Farmers to Families Food Box program, which delivered over 128 million boxes of locally sourced, produce, meat, and dairy products to charity and faith-based organizations nationwide.
Delegated authorities via the Defense Production Act to protect breaks in the American food supply chain as a result of COVID-19.
American Energy Independence
Unleashed America’s oil and natural gas potential.

For the first time in nearly 70 years, the United States has become a net energy exporter.
The United States is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the world.
Natural gas production reached a record-high of 34.9 quads in 2019, following record high production in 2018 and in 2017.
The United States has been a net natural gas exporter for three consecutive years and has an export capacity of nearly 10 billion cubic feet per day.
Withdrew from the unfair, one-sided Paris Climate Agreement.
Canceled the previous administration’s Clean Power Plan, and replaced it with the new Affordable Clean Energy rule.
Approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
Opened up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska to oil and gas leasing.
Repealed the last administration’s Federal Coal Leasing Moratorium, which prohibited coal leasing on Federal lands.
Reformed permitting rules to eliminate unnecessary bureaucracy and speed approval for mines.
Fixed the New Source Review permitting program, which punished companies for upgrading or repairing coal power plants.
Fixed the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) steam electric and coal ash rules.
The average American family saved $2,500 a year in lower electric bills and lower prices at the gas pump.
Signed legislation repealing the harmful Stream Protection Rule.
Reduced the time to approve drilling permits on public lands by half, increasing permit applications to drill on public lands by 300 percent.
Expedited approval of the NuStar’s New Burgos pipeline to export American gasoline to Mexico.
Streamlined Liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal permitting and allowed long-term LNG export authorizations to be extended through 2050.
The United States is now among the top three LNG exporters in the world.
Increased LNG exports five-fold since January 2017, reaching an all-time high in January 2020.
LNG exports are expected to reduce the American trade deficit by over $10 billion.
Granted more than 20 new long-term approvals for LNG exports to non-free trade agreement countries.
The development of natural gas and LNG infrastructure in the United States is providing tens of thousands of jobs, and has led to the investment of tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure.
There are now 6 LNG export facilities operating in the United States, with 2 additional export projects under construction.
The amount of nuclear energy production in 2019 was the highest on record, through a combination of increased capacity from power plant upgrades and shorter refueling and maintenance cycles.
Prevented Russian energy coercion across Europe through various lines of effort, including the Partnership for Transatlantic Energy Cooperation, civil nuclear deals with Romania and Poland, and opposition to Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
Issued the Presidential Permit for the A2A railroad between Canada and Alaska, providing energy resources to emerging markets.
Increased access to our country’s abundant natural resources in order to achieve energy independence.

Renewable energy production and consumption both reached record highs in 2019.
Enacted policies that helped double the amount of electricity generated by solar and helped increase the amount of wind generation by 32 percent from 2016 through 2019.
Accelerated construction of energy infrastructure to ensure American energy producers can deliver their products to the market.
Cut red tape holding back the construction of new energy infrastructure.
Authorized ethanol producers to sell E15 year-round and allowed higher-ethanol gasoline to be distributed from existing pumps at filling stations.
Ensured greater transparency and certainty in the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) program.
Negotiated leasing capacity in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Australia, providing American taxpayers a return on this infrastructure investment.
Signed an executive order directing Federal agencies to work together to diminish the capability of foreign adversaries to target our critical electric infrastructure.
Reformed Section 401 of the Clean Water Act regulation to allow for the curation of interstate infrastructure.
Resolved the OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) oil crisis during COVID-19 by getting OPEC, Russia, and others to cut nearly 10 million barrels of production a day, stabilizing world oil prices.
Directed the Department of Energy to use the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to mitigate market volatility caused by COVID-19.
Investing in America’s Workers and Families
Affordable and high-quality Child Care for American workers and their families.

Doubled the Child Tax Credit from $1,000 to $2,000 per child and expanded the eligibility for receiving the credit.
Nearly 40 million families benefitted from the child tax credit (CTC), receiving an average benefit of $2,200 – totaling credits of approximately $88 billion.
Signed the largest-ever increase in Child Care and Development Block Grants – expanding access to quality, affordable child care for more than 800,000 low-income families.
Secured an additional $3.5 billion in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act to help families and first responders with child care needs.
Created the first-ever paid family leave tax credit for employees earning $72,000 or less.
Signed into law 12-weeks of paid parental leave for Federal workers.
Signed into law a provision that enables new parents to withdraw up to $5,000 from their retirement accounts without penalty when they give birth to or adopt a child.
Advanced apprenticeship career pathways to good-paying jobs.

Expanded apprenticeships to more than 850,000 and established the new Industry-Recognized Apprenticeship programs in new and emerging fields.
Established the National Council for the American Worker and the American Workforce Policy Advisory Board.
Over 460 companies have signed the Pledge to America’s Workers, committing to provide more than 16 million job and training opportunities.
Signed an executive order that directs the Federal government to replace outdated degree-based hiring with skills-based hiring.
Advanced women’s economic empowerment.

Included women’s empowerment for the first time in the President’s 2017 National Security Strategy.
Signed into law key pieces of legislation, including the Women, Peace, and Security Act and the Women Entrepreneurship and Economic Empowerment Act.
Launched the Women’s Global Development and Prosperity (W-GDP) Initiative – the first-ever whole-of-government approach to women’s economic empowerment that has reached 24 million women worldwide.
Established an innovative new W-GDP Fund at USAID.
Launched the Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative (We-Fi) with 13 other nations.
Announced a $50 million donation on behalf of the United States to We-Fi providing more capital to women-owned businesses around the world.
Released the first-ever Strategy on Women, Peace, and Security, which focused on increasing women’s participation to prevent and resolve conflicts.
Launched the W-GDP 2x Global Women’s Initiative with the Development Finance Corporation, which has mobilized more than $3 billion in private sector investments over three years.
Ensured American leadership in technology and innovation.

First administration to name artificial intelligence, quantum information science, and 5G communications as national research and development priorities.
Launched the American Broadband Initiative to promote the rapid deployment of broadband internet across rural America.
Made 100 megahertz of crucial mid-band spectrum available for commercial operations, a key factor to driving widespread 5G access across rural America.
Launched the American AI Initiative to ensure American leadership in artificial intelligence (AI), and established the National AI Initiative Office at the White House.
Established the first-ever principles for Federal agency adoption of AI to improve services for the American people.
Signed the National Quantum Initiative Act establishing the National Quantum Coordination Office at the White House to drive breakthroughs in quantum information science.
Signed the Secure 5G and Beyond Act to ensure America leads the world in 5G.
Launched a groundbreaking program to test safe and innovative commercial drone operations nationwide.
Issued new rulemaking to accelerate the return of American civil supersonic aviation.
Committed to doubling investments in AI and quantum information science (QIS) research and development.
Announced the establishment of $1 billion AI and quantum research institutes across America.
Established the largest dual-use 5G test sites in the world to advance 5G commercial and military innovation.
Signed landmark Prague Principles with America’s allies to advance the deployment of secure 5G telecommunications networks.
Signed first-ever bilateral AI cooperation agreement with the United Kingdom.
Built collation among allies to ban Chinese Telecom Company Huawei from their 5G infrastructure.
Preserved American jobs for American workers and rejected the importation of cheap foreign labor.

Pressured the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) to reverse their decision to lay off over 200 American workers and replace them with cheaper foreign workers.
Removed the TVA Chairman of the Board and a TVA Board Member.
Life-Saving Response to the China Virus
Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world.

Suspended all travel from China, saving thousands of lives.
Required all American citizens returning home from designated outbreak countries to return through designated airports with enhanced screening measures, and to undergo a self-quarantine.
Announced further travel restrictions on Iran, the Schengen Area of Europe, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Brazil.
Issued travel advisory warnings recommending that American citizens avoid all international travel.
Reached bilateral agreements with Mexico and Canada to suspend non-essential travel and expeditiously return illegal aliens.
Repatriated over 100,000 American citizens stranded abroad on more than 1,140 flights from 136 countries and territories.
Safely transported, evacuated, treated, and returned home trapped passengers on cruise ships.
Took action to authorize visa sanctions on foreign governments who impede our efforts to protect American citizens by refusing or unreasonably delaying the return of their own citizens, subjects, or residents from the United States.
Acted early to combat the China Virus in the United States.

Established the White House Coronavirus Task Force, with leading experts on infectious diseases, to manage the Administration’s efforts to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 and to keep workplaces safe.
Pledged in the State of the Union address to “take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from the Virus,” while the Democrats’ response made not a single mention of COVID-19 or even the threat of China.
Declared COVID-19 a National Emergency under the Stafford Act.
Established the 24/7 FEMA National Response Coordination Center.
Released guidance recommending containment measures critical to slowing the spread of the Virus, decompressing peak burden on hospitals and infrastructure, and diminishing health impacts.
Implemented strong community mitigation strategies to sharply reduce the number of lives lost in the United States down from experts’ projection of up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States without mitigation.
Halted American funding to the World Health Organization to counter its egregious bias towards China that jeopardized the safety of Americans.
Announced plans for withdrawal from the World Health Organization and redirected contribution funds to help meet global public health needs.
Called on the United Nations to hold China accountable for their handling of the virus, including refusing to be transparent and failing to contain the virus before it spread.
Re-purposed domestic manufacturing facilities to ensure frontline workers had critical supplies.

Distributed billions of pieces of Personal Protective Equipment, including gloves, masks, gowns, and face shields.
Invoked the Defense Production Act over 100 times to accelerate the development and manufacturing of essential material in the USA.
Made historic investments of more than $3 billion into the industrial base.
Contracted with companies such as Ford, General Motors, Philips, and General Electric to produce ventilators.
Contracted with Honeywell, 3M, O&M Halyard, Moldex, and Lydall to increase our Nation’s production of N-95 masks.
The Army Corps of Engineers built 11,000 beds, distributed 10,000 ventilators, and surged personnel to hospitals.
Converted the Javits Center in New York into a 3,000-bed hospital, and opened medical facilities in Seattle and New Orleans.
Dispatched the USNS Comfort to New York City, and the USNS Mercy to Los Angeles.
Deployed thousands of FEMA employees, National Guard members, and military forces to help in the response.
Provided support to states facing new emergences of the virus, including surging testing sites, deploying medical personnel, and advising on mitigation strategies.
Announced Federal support to governors for use of the National Guard with 100 percent cost-share.
Established the Supply Chain Task Force as a “control tower” to strategically allocate high-demand medical supplies and PPE to areas of greatest need.
Requested critical data elements from states about the status of hospital capacity, ventilators, and PPE.
Executed nearly 250 flights through Project Air Bridge to transport hundreds of millions of surgical masks, N95 respirators, gloves, and gowns from around the world to hospitals and facilities throughout the United States.
Signed an executive order invoking the Defense Production Act to ensure that Americans have a reliable supply of products like beef, pork, and poultry.
Stabilized the food supply chain restoring the Nation’s protein processing capacity through a collaborative approach with Federal, state, and local officials and industry partners.
The continued movement of food and other critical items of daily life distributed to stores and to American homes went unaffected.
Replenished the depleted Strategic National Stockpile.

Increased the number of ventilators nearly ten-fold to more than 153,000.
Despite the grim projections from the media and governors, no American who has needed a ventilator has been denied a ventilator.
Increased the number of N95 masks fourteen-fold to more than 176 million.
Issued an executive order ensuring critical medical supplies are produced in the United States.
Created the largest, most advanced, and most innovative testing system in the world.

Built the world’s leading testing system from scratch, conducting over 200 million tests – more than all of the European Union combined.
Engaged more than 400 test developers to increase testing capacity from less than 100 tests per day to more than 2 million tests per day.
Slashed red tape and approved Emergency Use Authorizations for more than 300 different tests, including 235 molecular tests, 63 antibody tests, and 11 antigen tests.
Delivered state-of-the-art testing devices and millions of tests to every certified nursing home in the country.
Announced more flexibility to Medicare Advantage and Part D plans to waive cost-sharing for tests.
Over 2,000 retail pharmacy stores, including CVS, Walmart, and Walgreens, are providing testing using new regulatory and reimbursement options.
Deployed tens of millions of tests to nursing homes, assisted living facilities, historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), tribes, disaster relief operations, Home Health/Hospice organizations, and the Veterans Health Administration.
Began shipping 150 million BinaxNOW rapid tests to states, long-term care facilities, the IHS, HBCUs, and other key partners.
Pioneered groundbreaking treatments and therapies that reduced the mortality rate by 85 percent, saving over 2 million lives.

The United States has among the lowest case fatality rates in the entire world.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) launched the Coronavirus Treatment Acceleration Program to expedite the regulatory review process for therapeutics in clinical trials, accelerate the development and publication of industry guidance on developing treatments, and utilize regulatory flexibility to help facilitate the scaling-up of manufacturing capacity.
More than 370 therapies are in clinical trials and another 560 are in the planning stages.
Announced $450 million in available funds to support the manufacturing of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail.
Shipped tens of thousands of doses of the Regeneron drug.
Authorized an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for convalescent plasma.
Treated around 100,000 patients with convalescent plasma, which may reduce mortality by 50 percent.
Provided $48 million to fund the Mayo Clinic study that tested the efficacy of convalescent plasma for patients with COVID-19.
Made an agreement to support the large-scale manufacturing of AstraZeneca’s cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies.
Approved Remdesivir as the first COVID-19 treatment, which could reduce hospitalization time by nearly a third.
Secured more than 90 percent of the world’s supply of Remdesivir, enough to treat over 850,000 high-risk patients.
Granted an EUA to Eli Lilly for its anti-body treatments.
Finalized an agreement with Eli Lilly to purchase the first doses of the company’s investigational antibody therapeutic.
Provided up to $270 million to the American Red Cross and America’s Blood Centers to support the collection of up to 360,000 units of plasma.
Launched a nationwide campaign to ask patients who have recovered from COVID-19 to donate plasma.
Announced Phase 3 clinical trials for varying types of blood thinners to treat adults diagnosed with COVID-19.
Issued an EUA for the monoclonal antibody therapy bamlanivimab.
FDA issued an EUA for casirivimab and imdevimab to be administered together.
Launched the COVID-19 High Performance Computing Consortium with private sector and academic leaders unleashing America’s supercomputers to accelerate coronavirus research.
Brought the full power of American medicine and government to produce a safe and effective vaccine in record time.

Launched Operation Warp Speed to initiate an unprecedented drive to develop and make available an effective vaccine by January 2021.
Pfizer and Moderna developed two vaccines in just nine months, five times faster than the fastest prior vaccine development in American history.
Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines are approximately 95 effective – far exceeding all expectations.
AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson also both have promising candidates in the final stage of clinical trials.
The vaccines will be administered within 24 hours of FDA-approval.
Made millions of vaccine doses available before the end of 2020, with hundreds of millions more to quickly follow.
FedEx and UPS will ship doses from warehouses directly to local pharmacies, hospitals, and healthcare providers.
Finalized a partnership with CVS and Walgreens to deliver vaccines directly to residents of nursing homes and long-term care facilities as soon as a state requests it, at no cost to America’s seniors.
Signed an executive order to ensure that the United States government prioritizes getting the vaccine to American citizens before sending it to other nations.
Provided approximately $13 billion to accelerate vaccine development and to manufacture all of the top candidates in advance.
Provided critical investments of $4.1 billion to Moderna to support the development, manufacturing, and distribution of their vaccines.
Moderna announced its vaccine is 95 percent effective and is pending FDA approval.
Provided Pfizer up to $1.95 billion to support the mass-manufacturing and nationwide distribution of their vaccine candidate.
Pfizer announced its vaccine is 95 percent effective and is pending FDA approval.
Provided approximately $1 billion to support the manufacturing and distribution of Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine candidate.
Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine candidate reached the final stage of clinical trials.
Made up to $1.2 billion available to support AstraZeneca’s vaccine candidate.
AstraZeneca’s vaccine candidate reached the final stage of clinical trials.
Made an agreement to support the large-scale manufacturing of Novavax’s vaccine candidate with 100 million doses expected.
Partnered with Sanofi and GSK to support large-scale manufacturing of a COVID-19 investigational vaccine.
Awarded $200 million in funding to support vaccine preparedness and plans for the immediate distribution and administration of vaccines.
Provided $31 million to Cytvia for vaccine-related consumable products.
Under the PREP Act, issued guidance authorizing qualified pharmacy technicians to administer vaccines.
Announced that McKesson Corporation will produce store, and distribute vaccine ancillary supply kits on behalf of the Strategic National Stockpile to help healthcare workers who will administer vaccines.
Announced partnership with large-chain, independent, and regional pharmacies to deliver vaccines.
Prioritized resources for the most vulnerable Americans, including nursing home residents.

Quickly established guidelines for nursing homes and expanded telehealth opportunities to protect vulnerable seniors.
Increased surveillance, oversight, and transparency of all 15,417 Medicare and Medicaid nursing homes by requiring them to report cases of COVID-19 to all residents, their families, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Required that all nursing homes test staff regularly.
Launched an unprecedented national nursing home training curriculum to equip nursing home staff with the knowledge they need to stop the spread of COVID-19.
Delivered $81 million for increased inspections and funded 35,000 members of the Nation Guard to deliver critical supplies to every Medicare-certified nursing homes.
Deployed Federal Task Force Strike Teams to provide onsite technical assistance and education to nursing homes experiencing outbreaks.
Distributed tens of billions of dollars in Provider Relief Funds to protect nursing homes, long-term care facilities, safety-net hospitals, rural hospitals, and communities hardest hit by the virus.
Released 1.5 million N95 respirators from the Strategic National Stockpile for distribution to over 3,000 nursing home facilities.
Directed the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council to refocus on underserved communities impacted by the coronavirus.
Required that testing results reported include data on race, gender, ethnicity, and ZIP code, to ensure that resources were directed to communities disproportionately harmed by the virus.
Ensured testing was offered at 95 percent of Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHC), which serve over 29 million patients in 12,000 communities across the Nation.
Invested an unprecedented $8 billion in tribal communities.
Maintained safe access for Veterans to VA healthcare throughout the COVID-19 Pandemic and supported non-VA hospital systems and private and state-run nursing homes with VA clinical teams.
Signed legislation ensuring no reduction of VA education benefits under the GI Bill for online distance learning.
Supported Americans as they safely return to school and work.

Issued the Guidelines for Opening Up America Again, a detailed blueprint to help governors as they began reopening the country. Focused on protecting the most vulnerable and mitigating the risk of any resurgence, while restarting the economy and allowing Americans to safely return to their jobs.
Helped Americans return to work by providing extensive guidance on workplace-safety measures to protect against COVID-19, and investigating over 10,000 coronavirus-related complaints and referrals.
Provided over $31 billion to support elementary and secondary schools.
Distributed 125 million face masks to school districts.
Provided comprehensive guidelines to schools on how to protect and identify high-risk individuals, prevent the spread of COVID-19, and conduct safe in-person teaching.
Brought back the safe return of college athletics, including Big Ten and Pac-12 football.
Rescued the American economy with nearly $3.4 trillion in relief, the largest financial aid package in history.

Secured an initial $8.3 billion Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Act, supporting the development of treatments and vaccines, and to procure critical medical supplies and equipment.
Signed the $100 billion Families First Coronavirus Relief Act, guaranteeing free coronavirus testing, emergency paid sick leave and family leave, Medicaid funding, and food assistance.
Signed the $2.3 trillion Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, providing unprecedented and immediate relief to American families, workers, and businesses.
Signed additional legislation providing nearly $900 billion in support for coronavirus emergency response and relief, including critically needed funds to continue the Paycheck Protection Program.
Signed the Paycheck Protection Program and Healthcare Enhancement Act, adding an additional $310 billion to replenish the program.
Delivered approximately 160 million relief payments to hardworking Americans.
Through the Paycheck Protection Program, approved over $525 billion in forgivable loans to more than 5.2 million small businesses, supporting more than 51 million American jobs.
The Treasury Department approved the establishment of the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility to provide liquidity to the financial system.
The Treasury Department, working with the Federal Reserve, was able to leverage approximately $4 trillion in emergency lending facilities.
Signed an executive order extending expanded unemployment benefits.
Signed an executive order to temporarily suspend student loan payments, evictions, and collection of payroll taxes.
Small Business Administration expanded access to emergency economic assistance for small businesses, faith-based, and religious entities.
Protected jobs for American workers impacted by COVID-19 by temporarily suspending several job-related nonimmigrant visas, including H-1B’s, H-2B’s without a nexus to the food-supply chain, certain H-4’s, as well as L’s and certain J’s.
Great Healthcare for Americans
Empowered American patients by greatly expanding healthcare choice, transparency, and affordability.

Eliminated the Obamacare individual mandate – a financial relief to low and middle-income households that made up nearly 80 percent of the families who paid the penalty for not wanting to purchase health insurance.
Increased choice for consumers by promoting competition in the individual health insurance market leading to lower premiums for three years in a row.
Under the Trump Administration, more than 90 percent of the counties have multiple options on the individual insurance market to choose from.
Offered Association Health Plans, which allow employers to pool together and offer more affordable, quality health coverage to their employees at up to 30 percent lower cost.
Increased availability of short-term, limited-duration health plans, which can cost up to 60 percent less than traditional plans, giving Americans more flexibility to choose plans that suit their needs.
Expanded Health Reimbursement Arrangements, allowing millions of Americans to be able to shop for a plan of their choice on the individual market, and then have their employer cover the cost.
Added 2,100 new Medicare Advantage plan options since 2017, a 76 percent increase.
Lowered Medicare Advantage premiums by 34 percent nationwide to the lowest level in 14 years. Medicare health plan premium savings for beneficiaries have totaled $nearly 1.5 billion since 2017.
Improved access to tax-free health savings accounts for individuals with chronic conditions.
Eliminated costly Obamacare taxes, including the health insurance tax, the medical device tax, and the “Cadillac tax.”
Worked with states to create more flexibility and relief from oppressive Obamacare regulations, including reinsurance waivers to help lower premiums.
Released legislative principles to end surprise medical billing.
Finalized requirements for unprecedented price transparency from hospitals and insurance companies so patients know what the cost is before they receive care.
Took action to require that hospitals make the prices they negotiate with insurers publicly available and easily accessible online.
Improved patients access to their health data by penalizing hospitals and causing clinicians to lose their incentive payments if they do not comply.
Expanded access to telehealth, especially in rural and underserved communities.
Increased Medicare payments to rural hospitals to stem a decade of rising closures and deliver enhanced access to care in rural areas.
Issued unprecedented reforms that dramatically lowered the price of prescription drugs.

Lowered drug prices for the first time in 51 years.
Launched an initiative to stop global freeloading in the drug market.
Finalized a rule to allow the importation of prescription drugs from Canada.
Finalized the Most Favored Nation Rule to ensure that pharmaceutical companies offer the same discounts to the United States as they do to other nations, resulting in an estimated $85 billion in savings over seven years and $30 billion in out-of-pocket costs alone.
Proposed a rule requiring federally funded health centers to pass drug company discounts on insulin and Epi-Pens directly to patients.
Ended the gag clauses that prevented pharmacists from informing patients about the best prices for the medications they need.
Ended the costly kickbacks to middlemen and ensured that patients directly benefit from available discounts at the pharmacy counter, saving Americans up to 30 percent on brand name pharmaceuticals.
Enhanced Part D plans to provide many seniors with Medicare access to a broad set of insulins at a maximum $35 copay for a month’s supply of each type of insulin.
Reduced Medicare Part D prescription drug premiums, saving beneficiaries nearly $2 billion in premium costs since 2017.
Ended the Unapproved Drugs Initiative, which provided market exclusivity to generic drugs.
Promoted research and innovation in healthcare to ensure that American patients have access to the best treatment in the world.

Signed first-ever executive order to affirm that it is the official policy of the United States Government to protect patients with pre-existing conditions.
Passed Right To Try to give terminally ill patients access to lifesaving cures.
Signed an executive order to fight kidney disease with more transplants and better treatment.
Signed into law a $1 billion increase in funding for critical Alzheimer’s research.
Accelerated medical breakthroughs in genetic treatments for Sickle Cell disease.
Finalized the interoperability rules that will give American patients access to their electronic health records on their phones.
Initiated an effort to provide $500 million over the next decade to improve pediatric cancer research.
Launched a campaign to end the HIV/AIDS epidemic in America in the next decade.
Started a program to provide the HIV prevention drug PrEP to uninsured patients for free.
Signed an executive order and awarded new development contracts to modernize the influenza vaccine.
Protected our Nation’s seniors by safeguarding and strengthening Medicare.

Updated the way Medicare pays for innovative medical products to ensure beneficiaries have access to the latest innovation and treatment.
Reduced improper payments for Medicare an estimated $15 billion since 2016 protecting taxpayer dollars and leading to less fraud, waste, and abuse.
Took rapid action to combat antimicrobial resistance and secure access to life-saving new antibiotic drugs for American seniors, by removing several financial disincentives and setting policies to reduce inappropriate use.
Launched new online tools, including eMedicare, Blue Button 2.0, and Care Compare, to help seniors see what is covered, compare costs, streamline data, and compare tools available on Medicare.gov.
Provided new Medicare Advantage supplemental benefits, including modifications to help keep seniors safe in their homes, respite care for caregivers, non-opioid pain management alternatives like therapeutic massages, transportation, and more in-home support services and assistance.
Protected Medicare beneficiaries by removing Social Security numbers from all Medicare cards, a project completed ahead of schedule.
Unleashed unprecedented transparency in Medicare and Medicaid data to spur research and innovation.
Remaking the Federal Judiciary
Appointed a historic number of Federal judges who will interpret the Constitution as written.

Nominated and confirmed over 230 Federal judges.
Confirmed 54 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, making up nearly a third of the entire appellate bench.
Filled all Court of Appeals vacancies for the first time in four decades.
Flipped the Second, Third, and Eleventh Circuits from Democrat-appointed majorities to Republican-appointed majorities. And dramatically reshaped the long-liberal Ninth Circuit.
Appointed three Supreme Court justices, expanding its conservative-appointed majority to 6-3.

Appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch to replace Justice Antonin Scalia.
Appointed Justice Brett Kavanaugh to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy.
Appointed Justice Amy Coney Barrett to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Achieving a Secure Border
Secured the Southern Border of the United States.

Built over 400 miles of the world’s most robust and advanced border wall.
Illegal crossings have plummeted over 87 percent where the wall has been constructed.
Deployed nearly 5,000 troops to the Southern border. In addition, Mexico deployed tens of thousands of their own soldiers and national guardsmen to secure their side of the US-Mexico border.
Ended the dangerous practice of Catch-and-Release, which means that instead of aliens getting released into the United States pending future hearings never to be seen again, they are detained pending removal, and then ultimately returned to their home countries.
Entered into three historic asylum cooperation agreements with Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala to stop asylum fraud and resettle illegal migrants in third-party nations pending their asylum applications.
Entered into a historic partnership with Mexico, referred to as the “Migrant Protection Protocols,” to safely return asylum-seekers to Mexico while awaiting hearings in the United States.
Fully enforced the immigration laws of the United States.

Signed an executive order to strip discretionary Federal grant funding from deadly sanctuary cities.
Fully enforced and implemented statutorily authorized “expedited removal” of illegal aliens.
The Department of Justice prosecuted a record-breaking number of immigration-related crimes.
Used Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) to reduce the number of aliens coming from countries whose governments refuse to accept their nationals who were ordered removed from the United States.
Ended asylum fraud, shut down human smuggling traffickers, and solved the humanitarian crisis across the Western Hemisphere.

Suspended, via regulation, asylum for aliens who had skipped previous countries where they were eligible for asylum but opted to “forum shop” and continue to the United States.
Safeguarded migrant families, and protected migrant safety, by promulgating new regulations under the Flores Settlement Agreement.
Proposed regulations to end the practice of giving free work permits to illegal aliens lodging meritless asylum claims.
Issued “internal relocation” guidance.
Cross-trained United States Border Patrol agents to conduct credible fear screenings alongside USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) adjudication personnel to reduce massive backlogs.
Streamlined and expedited the asylum hearing process through both the Prompt Asylum Claim Review (PACR) and the Humanitarian Asylum Review Process (HARP).
Launched the Family Fraud Initiative to identify hundreds of individuals who were fraudulently presenting themselves as family units at the border, oftentimes with trafficking children, in order to ensure child welfare.
Improved screening in countries with high overstay rates and reduced visa overstay rates in many of these countries.
Removed bureaucratic constraints on United States consular officers that reduced their ability to appropriately vet visa applicants.
Worked with Mexico and other regional partners to dismantle the human smuggling networks in our hemisphere that profit from human misery and fuel the border crisis by exploiting vulnerable populations.
Secured our Nation’s immigration system against criminals and terrorists.

Instituted national security travel bans to keep out terrorists, jihadists, and violent extremists, and implemented a uniform security and information-sharing baseline all nations must meet in order for their nationals to be able to travel to, and emigrate to, the United States.
Suspended refugee resettlement from the world’s most dangerous and terror-afflicted regions.
Rebalanced refugee assistance to focus on overseas resettlement and burden-sharing.
85 percent reduction in refugee resettlement.
Overhauled badly-broken refugee security screening process.
Required the Department of State to consult with states and localities as part of the Federal government’s refugee resettlement process.
Issued strict sanctions on countries that have failed to take back their own nationals.
Established the National Vetting Center, which is the most advanced and comprehensive visa screening system anywhere in the world.
Protected American workers and taxpayers.

Issued a comprehensive “public charge” regulation to ensure newcomers to the United States are financially self-sufficient and not reliant on welfare.
Created an enforcement mechanism for sponsor repayment and deeming, to ensure that people who are presenting themselves as sponsors are actually responsible for sponsor obligations.
Issued regulations to combat the horrendous practice of “birth tourism.”
Issued a rule with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to make illegal aliens ineligible for public housing.
Issued directives requiring Federal agencies to hire United States workers first and prioritizing the hiring of United States workers wherever possible.
Suspended the entry of low-wage workers that threaten American jobs.
Finalized new H-1B regulations to permanently end the displacement of United States workers and modify the administrative tools that are required for H-1B visa issuance.
Defended United States sovereignty by withdrawing from the United Nations’ Global Compact on Migration.
Suspended Employment Authorization Documents for aliens who arrive illegally between ports of entry and are ordered removed from the United States.
Restored integrity to the use of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) by strictly adhering to the statutory conditions required for TPS.
Restoring American Leadership Abroad
Restored America’s leadership in the world and successfully negotiated to ensure our allies pay their fair share for our military protection.

Secured a $400 billion increase in defense spending from NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) allies by 2024, and the number of members meeting their minimum obligations more than doubled.
Credited by Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg for strengthening NATO.
Worked to reform and streamline the United Nations (UN) and reduced spending by $1.3 billion.
Allies, including Japan and the Republic of Korea, committed to increase burden-sharing.
Protected our Second Amendment rights by announcing the United States will never ratify the UN Arms Trade Treaty.
Returned 56 hostages and detainees from more than 24 countries.
Worked to advance a free and open Indo-Pacific region, promoting new investments and expanding American partnerships.
Advanced peace through strength.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Nuclear Deal and imposed crippling sanctions on the Iranian Regime.
Conducted vigorous enforcement on all sanctions to bring Iran’s oil exports to zero and deny the regime its principal source of revenue.
First president to meet with a leader of North Korea and the first sitting president to cross the demilitarized zone into North Korea.
Maintained a maximum pressure campaign and enforced tough sanctions on North Korea while negotiating de-nuclearization, the release of American hostages, and the return of the remains of American heroes.
Brokered economic normalization between Serbia and Kosovo, bolstering peace in the Balkans.
Signed the Honk Kong Autonomy Act and ended the United States’ preferential treatment with Hong Kong to hold China accountable for its infringement on the autonomy of Hong Kong.
Led allied efforts to defeat the Chinese Communist Party’s efforts to control the international telecommunications system.
Renewed our cherished friendship and alliance with Israel and took historic action to promote peace in the Middle East.

Recognized Jerusalem as the true capital of Israel and quickly moved the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
Acknowledged Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights and declared that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are not inconsistent with international law.
Removed the United States from the United Nations Human Rights Council due to the group’s blatant anti-Israel bias.
Brokered historic peace agreements between Israel and Arab-Muslim countries, including the United Arab Emirates, the Kingdom of Bahrain, and Sudan.
In addition, the United States negotiated a normalization agreement between Israel and Morocco, and recognized Moroccan Sovereignty over the entire Western Sahara, a position with long standing bipartisan support.
Brokered a deal for Kosovo to normalize ties and establish diplomatic relations with Israel.
Announced that Serbia would move its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
First American president to address an assembly of leaders from more than 50 Muslim nations, and reach an agreement to fight terrorism in all its forms.
Established the Etidal Center to combat terrorism in the Middle East in conjunction with the Saudi Arabian Government.
Announced the Vision for Peace Political Plan – a two-state solution that resolves the risks of Palestinian statehood to Israel’s security, and the first time Israel has agreed to a map and a Palestinian state.
Released an economic plan to empower the Palestinian people and enhance Palestinian governance through historic private investment.
Stood up against Communism and Socialism in the Western Hemisphere.

Reversed the previous Administration’s disastrous Cuba policy, canceling the sellout deal with the Communist Castro dictatorship.
Pledged not to lift sanctions until all political prisoners are freed; freedoms of assembly and expression are respected; all political parties are legalized; and free elections are scheduled.
Enacted a new policy aimed at preventing American dollars from funding the Cuban regime, including stricter travel restrictions and restrictions on the importation of Cuban alcohol and tobacco.
Implemented a cap on remittances to Cuba.
Enabled Americans to file lawsuits against persons and entities that traffic in property confiscated by the Cuban regime.
First world leader to recognize Juan Guaido as the Interim President of Venezuela and led a diplomatic coalition against the Socialist Dictator of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro.
Blocked all property of the Venezuelan Government in the jurisdiction of the United States.
Cut off the financial resources of the Maduro regime and sanctioned key sectors of the Venezuelan economy exploited by the regime.
Brought criminal charges against Nicolas Maduro for his narco-terrorism.
Imposed stiff sanctions on the Ortega regime in Nicaragua.
Joined together with Mexico and Canada in a successful bid to host the 2026 FIFA World Cup, with 60 matches to be held in the United States.
Won bid to host the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, California.
Colossal Rebuilding of the Military
Rebuilt the military and created the Sixth Branch, the United States Space Force.

Completely rebuilt the United States military with over $2.2 trillion in defense spending, including $738 billion for 2020.
Secured three pay raises for our service members and their families, including the largest raise in a decade.
Established the Space Force, the first new branch of the United States Armed Forces since 1947.
Modernized and recapitalized our nuclear forces and missile defenses to ensure they continue to serve as a strong deterrent.
Upgraded our cyber defenses by elevating the Cyber Command into a major warfighting command and by reducing burdensome procedural restrictions on cyber operations.
Vetoed the FY21 National Defense Authorization Act, which failed to protect our national security, disrespected the history of our veterans and military, and contradicted our efforts to put America first.
Defeated terrorists, held leaders accountable for malign actions, and bolstered peace around the world.

Defeated 100 percent of ISIS’ territorial caliphate in Iraq and Syria.
Freed nearly 8 million civilians from ISIS’ bloodthirsty control, and liberated Mosul, Raqqa, and the final ISIS foothold of Baghuz.
Killed the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and eliminated the world’s top terrorist, Qasem Soleimani.
Created the Terrorist Financing Targeting Center (TFTC) in partnership between the United States and its Gulf partners to combat extremist ideology and threats, and target terrorist financial networks, including over 60 terrorist individuals and entities spanning the globe.
Twice took decisive military action against the Assad regime in Syria for the barbaric use of chemical weapons against innocent civilians, including a successful 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles strike.
Authorized sanctions against bad actors tied to Syria’s chemical weapons program.
Negotiated an extended ceasefire with Turkey in northeast Syria.
Addressed gaps in American’s defense-industrial base, providing much-needed updates to improve the safety of our country.

Protected America’s defense-industrial base, directing the first whole-of-government assessment of our manufacturing and defense supply chains since the 1950s.
Took decisive steps to secure our information and communications technology and services supply chain, including unsafe mobile applications.
Completed several multi-year nuclear material removal campaigns, securing over 1,000 kilograms of highly enriched uranium and significantly reducing global nuclear threats.
Signed an executive order directing Federal agencies to work together to diminish the capability of foreign adversaries to target our critical electric infrastructure.
Established a whole-of-government strategy addressing the threat posed by China’s malign efforts targeting the United States taxpayer-funded research and development ecosystem.
Advanced missile defense capabilities and regional alliances.
Bolstered the ability
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO
Well, ricky d is certainly the typing beast

LOL


mike r
Originally Posted by funnybone
Just because my avatar says trump lost does not mean I support Biden, but now that Biden is President I do like him a little better than that lying piece of s h it you guys all worship...

There is no flip side of the coin in this debate, trump is the one leading you guys and the country to destruction.

You all believe a lying corrupt figure of a piggish man.


Hahahaha. Too funny.
Yeah, you're a conservative patriot who likes dependency on foreign oil, forced vaxes, Faukii, open borders, increased drug trafficking, child sex trafficking, govt pedophiles dealing with illegal alien kids, sex with kids, drugs, high taxes and red tape driving our mfg to Chyna, high food prices, high electric prices, bare grocers shelves, high gasoline prices and a POTUS who doesnt like ......

crazy

Yep, you're a self proven crazy lying commie POS.
Hey funnybone, remember your lie from a week or two ago where you lied and said you came on the fire as a nice guy and after just a few posts you were jumped on and viciously attacked.

Well, too bad you're two stupid to realize we can pull up all your previous post starting with your first post in your Fire histroy.

I looked back to see who would treat such a great patriot so unfairly and read through 2 of your first pages of posts and found out you were just lying again. After two pages of your posts on threads not one Fireman schiett on you, you lying POS SOB.

What a lying, gutless, POS you are. Unreal. You're a real snake in the grass.

Be a man. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Look in the mirror and you will see the POS who on the Fire proved that you are a worthless liar.

Unreal. Thanks and may GOD bless you mightly Mr Ricky D. Unreal.

We had no clue.

Im going to copy and email that to many and post it on You Tube News takes from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Anderson COOPER, Rachael Madcow, Joy Reid, Morning Joe, etc.
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO


How soon is soon in the ages?

Maybe HE meant soon as in when your heart makes its last beat?
Take you Bible, place It between two lines, the read between the the lines.
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by kolofardos
Originally Posted by Ruger4Life
I’ve done extensive research on Bible Prophecy for over 35 years, and I read the Bible in the 2000+ yr old Koine Greek (just so you know my credentials, and that I’m not blowing smoke). Short and sweet, here are my findings:

The first beast of Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea is Leviathan (not Satan). An ancient creature that was one of the first of God’s creations in Genesis 1. Yahweh described him in the book of Job.

The second beast of Revelation 13, that comes up out of the earth is Nimrod/Osiris. This is a half-man, half-fallen angel hybrid, also called Nephilim in Genesis 6. The main goal of CERN is to open a portal to the Underworld/Hades, to release this being, and make him king over all the Satanic Elite (aka the Antichrist). Their goal in doing this is to defeat Christ at his return.

This is the unadulterated truth

Great work! The mystery is solved, and there's no point in debating it any further!


The dragon stood on the shore as the beast came out of the ocean.


Jag. Prophetically, ocean/water represents people.


Exactly
Well done Rickyd !!!!
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO


How soon is soon in the ages?

Maybe HE meant soon as in when your heart makes its last beat?


The Israelites were told they would be in Babylonian Captivity for a long time.............. 70 years!

Daniel was told to 'seal up his book' because it was for a long time off. It was UNSEALD by Jesus day, a little over 500 years. John was told NOT TO SEAL up the Revelation.........

Hananiah and Pelatiah, died early because they prophesied falsely about GODs TIME table for the Israelites, they said the captivity would be SHORT not LONG............

The letters, books, epistles were written to MEN that understood the concept of time.............

If we cannot trust HIM on time statements, all of them, not just some, how can we be sure of GRACE!?!?!?

IMHO........
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next.

It is getting close to the end, I believe.
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next.

It is getting close to the end, I believe.


LUKE 21:8 '...8 And He said, “See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not go after them...'
Originally Posted by Muffin
If we cannot trust HIM on time statements, all of them, not just some, how can we be sure of GRACE!?!?!?
Because one’s salvation isn’t dependent on trusting Him on time statements. But it is dependent on trusting His grace through faith in Jesus.
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".
RickyD]H,

What right wing b u l l s h it artist did you get that info from.

trumps only accomplishments during his four years as president was about 30,000 lies, lying about the election and convincing most of you
that his lying words are truth. You and others here have been duped by trump and his clown posse. A totally corrupt amoral/immoral man through and through.







Originally Posted by K22
Hhmmmm!!!!!

Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.”




"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have
kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." (John 17:12)
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.


Semper fi..........
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".

Read Revelation.
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".

Read Revelation.



I have, many times, so I'll ask that question again.
Define .............the end. The end of what!
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.

I never looked to CS Lewis for biblical insight. He was friends with some great writers like JRR Tolkien though.

As to many prophesies, there is a double fulfillment. Sometimes there are near as well as far prophesies.
I don't worry much if someone holds different views on prophesy, but see a bit more every time I read the Bible through.

The abomination of desolation I think you are referring to in 70AD had an immediate fulfillment, but there's more yet to come when the Antichrist will set up his throne in the new temple yet to be built.

Are you Prederist?
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".

Read Revelation.



I have, many times, so I'll ask that question again.
Define .............the end. The end of what!


The end of the Mosaic Covenant and its sacrificial system.

The sacrifice in the Temple on the Altar was the centerpiece of the practice of the Jews. And it could only be performed by the Levitical Priests. The same guys who were also the only ones authorized to collect Tithes (hint, hint).

The Temple is gone and the genealogical records with it...so no Altar and no Levites.


Tim
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.

I never looked to CS Lewis for biblical insight. He was friends with some great writers like JRR Tolkien though.

As to many prophesies, there is a double fulfillment. Sometimes there are near as well as far prophesies.
I don't worry much if someone holds different views on prophesy, but see a bit more every time I read the Bible through.

The abomination of desolation I think you are referring to in 70AD had an immediate fulfillment, but there's more yet to come when the Antichrist will set up his throne in the new temple yet to be built.

Are you Prederist?


Preterist. Yes!
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.

I never looked to CS Lewis for biblical insight. He was friends with some great writers like JRR Tolkien though.

As to many prophesies, there is a double fulfillment. Sometimes there are near as well as far prophesies.
I don't worry much if someone holds different views on prophesy, but see a bit more every time I read the Bible through.

The abomination of desolation I think you are referring to in 70AD had an immediate fulfillment, but there's more yet to come when the Antichrist will set up his throne in the new temple yet to be built.

Are you Prederist?


Preterist. Yes!

Sorry about the spelling. I remember a guy named Bucky Tucker who said he was Baptist......"B-A-B-T-I-S-T, Babtist."...Lol.

I can see why you have a special interest in Revelation.
Do you think Titus was the Antichrist, or someone else?
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Muffin
REV 1:1 '...The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John...'

If GOD cannot tell time, then HE is not GOD.

If the prophecy said SOON and it did not happen SOON then it was not prophecy.

IMHO

I certainly don't know all of the Bible after decades of reading it. One thing I am certain of, no two things.

1. There are things that used to be a mystery and seemed contradictory, that are now clear after understanding rules for interpretation and the bigger picture.
2. If there's something in the Bible that I don't understand, it's because it's a Divinely inspired Book and I am just a simple man with many limitations.

I will post your chosen verse in context so we can see a little more of the picture of these puzzle pieces.

Revelation chapter 1

"1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must [b]shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/b]

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

NOTE:." This he has seen....which are.....which shall be hereafter."
Three tenses are described. No time frame other than those are mentioned. One thing seems clear is that the churches described in the first three chapters are "shortly come to pass"...were to be judged. Those were not 7 ages, but rather literal churches established by apostles and the assisting pastors who followed them. The first verse you refered to does not necessarily mean that God was talking about that time period after the thousand year rebellion when the devil would be released from hell for a short season. I see the statement as a significant charge for all believers to note how the early churches were judged and given as good and bad examples to learn from.

See chapter 4
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Another future event is given. It occurs after those churches existed. It is future from John's perspective. The time issue is not contradictory. Not every event of the Revelation was supposed to happen that afternoon. Later in the book is the thousand year reign of Christ and He lets the devil out of prison. The devil acts according to his nature and is cast into the lake of fire forever.

Can you see what the Bible is talking about time wise in regards to the first passage? Is that clearer now muffin?


Very clear to me (just like the Olivet Discourse).

The Revelation was written to real people, in the real churches named in Asia Minor, and they were told (in cryptic, apocryphal language) what was going to happen in their lifetimes...soon.

And the fulfillment happened in 70AD.

Any other interpretation makes the scriptures nothing but a deception to those who originally received the writings.

Just like in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus answers the question regarding "the end" and he tells his audience it will happen to that generation...before they are all dead.

Of course, C.S. Lewis thought Jesus was a false prophet....that he was wrong about his second coming!

I say Lewis was wrong about the nature of the second coming....so he cannot possibly be correct about the timing!

Just like the first century Jews were wrong about the nature of the first coming...and (for the most part) missed it.

I never looked to CS Lewis for biblical insight. He was friends with some great writers like JRR Tolkien though.

As to many prophesies, there is a double fulfillment. Sometimes there are near as well as far prophesies.
I don't worry much if someone holds different views on prophesy, but see a bit more every time I read the Bible through.

The abomination of desolation I think you are referring to in 70AD had an immediate fulfillment, but there's more yet to come when the Antichrist will set up his throne in the new temple yet to be built.

Are you Prederist?


Preterist. Yes!


ME TOO!
Do you know why religious nuts always come across as retarded?

Because they’re fugking retarded.
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".

Read Revelation.



I have, many times, so I'll ask that question again.
Define .............the end. The end of what!


The end (of the age) is the setting for the coming of Jesus Christ for His church and the fulfillment of Israel’s prophetic destiny.
Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by RickyD
Eternity is bereft of time but follow the Prophecies God has given us. They show the eternal knowledge of God.And maybe even what might come next
It is getting close to the end, I believe.





Define......"the end".

Read Revelation.



I have, many times, so I'll ask that question again.
Define .............the end. The end of what!


The end (of the age) is the setting for the coming of Jesus Christ for His church and the fulfillment of Israel’s prophetic destiny.


Yes, I would agree with this. It is also the end of evil, known as deep state.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
A man?



Jag,
I'll say it one more time for you. The Beast you are referring to is a system, that system is something many wonder after. It is the Church and it's teachings. What I have just said is every where in that book called the Bible and is hinted in every other belief known to mankind. Matthew, Luke, John, Rev. just to name a few taught what this very thing, but there is no money in this teaching and that is why there are many false prophets, false Christs, ect. Thomas was one of the few who wouldn't teach the false religion and left crossing the Caucus Mtns. followed by the Northern House. So yes, the sheep have lost their way and follow after a beast or as said differently they followed after the Dragon.
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper


I can see why you have a special interest in Revelation.
Do you think Titus was the Antichrist, or someone else?



Just for the record, I don't have a special interest in Revelation. All scripture is important and it is all from the same "author".

I do believe Revelation is probably the most abused, misunderstood writing in the entire Bible (among Christians, anyway).

Regarding antichrist, I believe John told us there were already many antichrists in the world, during the first century. I do not get too hung up on trying to label one fellow or another as "the one".

Titus certainly was a war club in the hand of Yahweh, to exact vengeance on those who pierced the Messiah.
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