Stanford Medical Center has mandated the shots for the stepson or no surgery.

Insane.

Can’t wait to see you on the news.

How old?

25

This scare is beyond insane. You can't make this crap up.

Aren't the medical staff vaccinated?

And over half the country wants to give the Fed.Gov even more power.

An answer to prayer I'm sure.

Fuqking asswholes!

What surgery does the boy need?

He needs a series of surgeries.

Yep.

It's for the greater good.

i thought federal law prohibited the denial of medical treatment?

I predicted this would become the norm very early on.

No, that's only if you're an illegal alien.

What are you going to do Roy?

Hide?

Or Submit?

Sorry to hear that, its time to make people accountable

I may do a peaceful protest. Can I PM you for specifics on how that worked out for you in Va?

I'll pray that the surgeries won't be necessary.

We had a few hundred thousand guns at our peaceful protest.

You gonna go packing too?

That will be awesome...

Thanks for your concern cash. Glad the medications for your bipolar disorder are working so well.

That's swell.

Yep. If he was a wetback, he’d get rushed ahead of emergency surgery’s. And Free Health Care too. 😡

You old hens still wringing your hands over the vax?

Rut Roh Shaggy... Roy is going all victim on us again.

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Seriously Roy... The answer is super simple.

1) Leave all you guns, knives and pointy sticks at home.

2) Put on a mask

3) Put on another mask

4) Put on a third mask

5) Get your jabs and say "Thank You Very Much" afterwards.

6) Make sure you tip the nurse.

7) Go home and take off your dress and high heels... and enjoy the evening rearrange your lava rocks with a nice glass of Chardonnay.

I've had the Madera vaccine, I don't think anyone should be forced to submit.

Your schtick really isn't appreciated here. There's a time and a place.

Hahaha. Fo sho bro.

You corcksuckers still worried about what we discuss?

This, and i hope he can put them off a while if he has to have them.

After the vax topic what’s next, audits?

LOL

They're only pleasure in life is to bandy wits with better men Jag.

Seriously,
No wonder I have you on I Timothy 6:10 mode.

Fair enough... REALLY.

What are you going to do?

Hide or submit.

A real and genuine question every man must address... sooner or later.

All BS aside... it really is that simple...

Good luck in your decision... I mean that with genuine sincerity.

Roy what is the downside of not having them now?

Hope they get their head out of their ass soon.

I have you on John 22 10:24 mode...

Hey alright !!!

Let’s give the guy shît about his chronically ill kid and the medical facility holding a mandate over any future care he might need

Fireball isn't the one that needs surgery. Who cares if he submits or not. The young man who needs surgery is 25. How's this on fireball? I'm sure he's just venting on these bull [bleep] rules

Two fingers of tequila, please.

I guess I'd be looking for alternatives, can they be done somewhere else?

I get it guys...

The kid has no choice... get the jab or no surgery... Got it.

You submit or you do not submit... every man must make that decision for himself.

What about the parents? Get the jab or not allowed at the hospital. Not allowed in the parking lot... can't renew a Driver's license et al.

When fluffy my cat needs a tooth pulled... wife and I have to get the jab or fluffy has to keep her rotten tooth.

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The rabbit hole this is headed down... you guys have got to be able to see that... right?

He just needs to tell them he won't pay his bill if they require him to be jabbed. They can't turn him down. He can just walk into the ER and demand treatment like any illegal.

He has a team of 21 doctors that have been working with him for several years. They have researched this with colleagues worldwide looking for a solution to his particular condition. It's complicated.

The big picture is I doubt if the doctors are the problem here.

Thinking about the folks that are holding this up for him.

Just more insane people. The world is full of them.

Praying for him Roy.

If they're not standing up against it and advocating for their patients, they are part of the problem.

I wish the best for your boy.

Absolute idiocy.


Some people shouldn't have the shot....it would harm them medically.

fb2,

sorry to hear about this update. Was just wondering how your boy was doing the other day. Good luck with it all.

I just had surgery at Stanford in Palo Alto today and I wasn’t required to do chit except get a COVID test.

That's good to hear. Maybe Roy's kid will be getting his done after some deadline though?

And I hope your recovery goes well.

I just got off the phone with my wife. She had appointments with the boy down there all day. Had a raghead bitch come in the room and start grilling them on getting the shot. I'm so angry right now I can't even think straight.

Wife talked to the doctor in charge of his treatment and she said they are concerned for him, that's why their stance. Wife dead pan asked if the hospital would deny him treatment if he wouldn't take the shot. Silence. Pause. Obfuscation. Bullschit. Excuses. Explanations. Wife asked again if they would deny his treatment and the doctor explained that in the case of emergency care they do not deny treatment, but "elective" surgeries, defined as pre-scheduled surgeries (not elective at all), and with his condition blah blah blah none of the medical team feel comfortable blah blah blah.

Man if I was there that fucquing place would be upside down right now. The boy is afraid that if he doesn't get it they'll let him die on the table. Told my wife he just wants to die now, he's had enough.

Welcome to America, home of the best GD medical care in the whole fucquing world.

Ultimately the boy must decide. He honestly has no real choice if he wants to fight for his own life. What a sick sick world.

Yep, that sucks.

Again, good luck to you all with this crap.

I better not say anymore.

Very well said...

Doctors take an oath to care for their patients above all else.

Same way many of us took an oath to defend our Constitution against all enemies... foreign or domestic.

I also wish the best for your boy.

Can't believe some of the replies.
This bvllsh!t (mandate jabs for service) is going to be more common than not !
Sadly a different OP would garner pages of prayers for the boy, anger against the system.
Makes one wonder who would have their back on here.

FB2, [bleep] situation for your family to be in, best of luck in your decisions, and sons care.

in Kentucky(very small population county 7,000 people. so they not high on list to get vaccine ) this summer my wifes aunt needed stints put in her heart or ,arteries? they said she had to have the shot first before they would do the operation ,....well she scheduled to get the shot .While waiting for the appointment day , she had a heart attack. Soooo .. they then had to rush her to the hospitol in the next county ,go in and put the stints in anyway ,WITH OUT the shots.But ..she could have died ,from a heart attack ,while waiting on a shot for covid which may have never bothered her in the first place ..BUT ..a heart attack is a known killer ....stupid ...stupid ...stupid .. medical desicions ..going on over covid -19 right now

These have to be some of the most F'd up times this country has seen!
Prayers for all involved.

I wish you and family the best! I had the shots, but don’t think it should be forced down anyone’s throat.

Best post on this thread... Kudos sir...

Sorry to hear this man. It is sickening.

I hope whatever choice he makes, he comes out of it ok.

Not to play devil's advocate, but I work for an orthopaedic clinic that denies surgery all the time if you test positive for nicotine. Nicotine damages bones and retards healing. Point is, surgery centers can make their own rules.

Sounds like your son better get the shot or find a new clinic.

3 years ago before any of this started

Big medical partners practice in our city, their on hold music and messaging had a little happy statement about philosophical differences

If you refused to get your child MMR you would not be seen in the pediatric clinic. Take your floor length denim skirt homeschool mom anti alar treated apple meryl streep ass on down the road

Oh yeah. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Not saying I agree, but what is the option? It's not like you are skipping a Caribbean cruise...its surgery. Unless its hair transplants or a boob job, sounds like he doesn't have options.

My daughter just got out of the hospital after being on the vent for a few days with covid. On the phone with the dr early in the process I mentioned I was on Ivermectin for the same condition. Dr blew up at me, acted like I was talking about poison. A few days later when daughter was doing better and I was allowed to visit, the dr pulled me aside and explained her position. The phone call was recorded so she had to follow the script. Said Drs are not allowed to treat patients the way they think they should, but follow beurocratic guidelines only if they want to retain their license. Explains several situations rivaling the 3 stooges I've seen the last few years.

It's poison. For some, fast acting. For many, slow acting. If you took it, I'm sorry. That doesn't mean it's an option for an informed person to agree to in order to have surgery. What good is surgery, if you've taken poison to get it?

That's very much the situation in many places. It started with the hospitalist movement where doctors were either contracted or hired by the hospitals. Once hired their freedom of decision making was vulnerable to actions like you experienced.

Or, as posted by Steve:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...king-mask-mandates-school-board-meeting/

You get your 4th booster injection of the rat poison and aborted babies?

Better run. Whoopie says supply chain getting tough.

Trump's fault, you know..

People who don't think taking the shot will modify their genetic makeup have nothing to lose.

You still have me on ignore, yet you have to look. Puzzy

LOL

Respectfully, my background is in the medical field. And while I firmly believe in personal choice, there comes a time when the facts are undeniable. -Al

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."
- Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

The facts are undeniable. Like liberals brains quit processing information objectively the minute they voted for Hillary.

Al, please spell out those facts clearly... Thanks

I'm thinking he'll come up a little short on facts and long on democrat-approved talking points.

"Respectfully, my background is in the medical field. And while I firmly believe in personal choice, there comes a time when the facts are undeniable. -Al "

Is it a fact that natural antibodies ceased to exist in 2020?

Good luck to your son FB.

I just scheduled surgery last week at Allegheny in Pittsburgh for December. They asked if I'd had the shot and I said no. That was that, no other questions about it.

In fairness, let the man speak. There may be great wisdom (he said he was a medical professional). An open forum is... and has always been the bedrock of America.

Who are you and what have you done with cash?!!! LOL

It would be nice if the people in charge of this kind of thing were outed . Names +++

Roy ,

Hope everything works out for your Stepson .

Expertism is THE fundamentalist religion of the modern age and those who claim enlightened status due to their “background in the medical field” are only ok with that because they’re the high priests.

Facts are undeniable that if you believe denying medical care based upon vaccine status is consistent with the Hippocratic oath, you don’t believe in personal choice at all, but in totalitarianism.

Science is a constant quest for knowledge based upon observations. There is no monolithic scientific conclusion on this vaccine because long term effects have not been observed.

Your blind adherence to dogma is transparent.

I just read a report where this "shot" is an agent to alter your DNA to a non human DNA? The mark of the Beast??

Two posts in and the insults start to fly....classic. Nice try at a redirect, though.

Like most things in life, we should do our homework and decide what's best. Stay healthy and be safe, sir. -Al

Yet you didn't give any background or knowledge in your reply to back up your statements?????



Clyde

You a science denying flat earther?

The science is settled!

It’s a private facility. Write some letters and see if you can get an exemption.

But then, even if he got one, he’d still be subjecting himself to doctors and a facility that obviously believe wholeheartedly in the jab.

And he talks about redirects....

double sheesh

Is the surgery necessary or elective?

Get their decision in writing with the decision maker clearly named. Demand no less, whatever route you go with the shot. Tell them your lawyer wants a copy.

Depends whether he wants to live.

The clinic probably did him a favor because they revealed themselves to be idiots.

I do find it funny that you expect to have your concerns respected when you constantly schit on other people’s concerns and mock them for attending rallies.

Load up and go solve your problem, tough guy.

Well.....that settles that.




Clyde

And here's what YouTube doesn't permit you to see:

Link to video

Typical hit and run tactic, can't provide anything when called out.

Medical background is probably, "online salesman of the month at ThunderMug.com"

Maybe if you offer free beer you could get some like-minded people to join you in your angst and do a peaceful protest. I bet gruff would be there.

For now.

Our insolence will get us sent off to a gulag soon enough

Can’t wait to see the tough guy in the news.

LOL

I wish your son and your family the best possible outcome. The coercive and anti-Constitutional demands from the liberals regarding an untested and ineffective “vaccine” is a black mark on the history of a once great nation. It’s unconscionable that THEY would deny lifesaving treatment in order to advance their political goals. Those of us that are holding out hoping that sanity will prevail will continue to be demonized and marginalized by the left. They think that we’re all sheep but they couldn’t be more wrong….
They like to hide behind science when it’s convenient for them and they ignore the science when it contradicts their distorted world view. My background is also in the medical field and my education is in biology….not that that matters but since some think that it gives them an air of authority I figured I’d mention it. Unfortunately many people in the medical field are sheep, liberal sheep that are paralyzed by the emotions that rule their life. In my experience I’ve worked with doctors that were dumber than dogshit and nurses (PA’s, ARNP’s, etc) that didn’t have a scintilla of brain matter, common sense or decency. I’ve also worked with the aforementioned that were incredibly talented and capable. Just because someone works in the medical field does NOT mean their intelligent enough to change a diaper. If anyone doubts that they need only look as far as this past year and a half to see the ignorance proudly displayed by the medical field….it’s absolutely sickening the lengths some are willing to go to in order to force their political will on others. The whole “my body my choice” argument should be shoved up their liberal ass sideways.

Again FB….. I wish you all the best of luck.

Forbidden facts as determined by those who understand The Science.

Bow in gratitude, heretic, and repent your wrongthink!

I had a situation where I was told I could not be admitted for a heart cath without showing proof of vaccination for Corona-19. When my cardiologist told me that I said "well that settles it, I'm not going to get vaccinated". He then said I could be tested for antibodies to CV-19. Came up negative. Then they said if I tested negative for CV-19 on a quick test I could get in. I said OK.I went for the heart cath that day and nobody asked a thing about Corona virus the whole time I was there.
Stick to your guns and ask for a definite answer. I think they are bluffing. Stay in contact with them, make them answer. Write letters on real paper and mail them. Is this boy competent to make decisions? Maybe he could give you medical power of attorney.
I would claim a religious exemption based on my personal belief.

And when you write real paper letters to them, CC mark them to your attorney.

You sending me king's dirty pictures lookin for a date again?

Lmao.

I'll be requiring whiskey, but yea I'd join in.

What kind and where is it happening?

If people's minds are already made up...would it make any difference?

Good shootin', be safe and be well. -Al

Ask Flave, I'm not in charge of this shiet.

Politely and respectfully I asked you to spell out those facts clearly... still waiting.

Trust the govt. They would never lie to you.....fug, I can't even type that with a straight face....

Cut that schit out Strider I'm trying to eat.

So in summary, your son is more scared of the stupid shot than dying? If he needs surgery, get the shot and be done. Still better odds than no surgery...or find another doctor.

The point is not which is lower risk, the point is he shouldn't have to choose.

Damn bullshidt position to put a person in.

I’m more scared of the shot than I am the bug.

Fireball, nobody is arguing that it's not bullschit. At the end of the day you dont have a choice though.

Tough spot for sure. The solution is in standing against it in LARGE numbers.

I'd find a new doctor if possible. I feel your pain...

In this case, we're talking about 21 doctors and years of history with the team.

What does that tell you?

You're in over your head little man. Pull the plug on it.

Fireball:

It's the mealy-mouthed "our doctors are not comfortable doing the surgery" that gives you a possible solution. The doctor you talked to did not simply say it's the policy of the Stanford Medical Center to deny medical care for anyone who does not have the shot - he tried to wiggle his way out of it, which means a little bit of pressure applied correctly might turn things around.

Go back to the same doctor. Pull out your phone and turn on the video recorder. State your name, the date and the name of the doctor you are talking to. Ask the following questions:

1. Dr. ---, the last time we spoke, you told me that Stanford Medical Center would deny medical care for my son if he didn't get Covid shots before surgery - is that correct?

2. Dr. ---, you and a team of 21 doctors, after working with my son for years have decided that he needs surgery. Why are you refusing to do the surgery now?

----- 'The doctors are not comfortable": Have the doctors had the shot? Do they wear masks during surgery? If yes, what are they afraid of?
: Do the doctors realize that he can contract Covid even if he gets the shots? And if he doesn't contract Covid, what are they afraid of?
----- "It's for your son's safety": What safety issures will my son face if he gets surgery at the Stanford Medical Center without having the Covid shots?
: Right now he is more concerned with the serious side effects and deaths that have been documented with people who have had the shots.
----- "Why are you recording this?": I'm going to give a copy to the local newspapers, television stations, several online news websites and YouTube. My lawyer also says he's really interested in hearing the answers to these questions.

If he says he cannot discuss a specific person's medical care on camera, say "That's fine, let's not discuss my son's particular case. In general is it Stanford Medical Center's policy to refuse medical care to people who have not had the Covid shots?"

If he says he can't answer that question, ask who can answer it - and since your son's health depends on the answer, you need to talk to that person RIGHT NOW. Keep the camera rolling when you get to talk to him/her. If they say they won't talk to you if they are being recorded, ask "Why not?" and record the answer. Explain that you don't want to discuss your son's case, all you want is to know Stanford's written policy on providing medical care to people who have not had the shot. Regardless of the answers, go to the news with your video.

The alternative is to comply, and accept any negative effects that result from the shots.

Only you and he can make that decision, and I wouldn't fault you whatever you choose to do.

I'll pray for you.

I'm doing everything in my power not to get the shots but in his case, with his history, don't think theirs much of a choice.

Pretty damn sad they are using the shot over medical care.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful post.

I have no idea what could be that wrong with the young man but I would first make a legal claim and try to get a court order unless this is an emergency procedure. I can't believe 21 doctors are in favor of denying treatment. You are dealing with the bureaucracy of a big medical outfit and so are the doctors. It won't affect the quality of his care if you win.

Extra points for letting mom handle the meeting by her lonesome.

Like I said, you don't know anything about it. You're in over your head doing nothing but looking for ways to be a problem.

In other words, same as every day.

But WAIT!! There's MORE!!

https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/exposed-inhumane-lethal-covid-protocol-hospitals/

I don’t have any issue with the fact that people have made a different decision in this thing than I have.

What bothers me is the idea that so many “ever vaccers” suggest that anyone who thinks differently than they do are backward, unenlightened and stubborn fools.

Then there is the denial by so many that they’re totalitarians while clearly believing themselves to be more suited to make medical decisions than anyone who thinks differently. In other words, lying.

You really hate the heretics don’t ya?

Evil unleashed and embraced.

Yes, it is..

Al, TWICE... I politely and respectfully I asked you to spell out those facts clearly... because you said you are a "Medical Professional".

Per chance... by "Medical Professional" does that mean that you are a Janitor mopping the floors at the local abortion clinic? Just asking?

Deflave is a damn "Rough Customer" for sure... but that does not make him wrong.

Roy, you have received a huge amount of sympathy, empathy as well as some very well founded actionable item council.

The choice is really yours at this point... you can move forward with a firm plan...

Or you can keep bleeding.

Either way... again...I truly wish the best for your son.

Can’t wait to see the tough guy on the news.

LOL

Extra points for letting mom handle it.

Fireballz can wander around the internets and mock gunner500, TrueGrit, Cash, and jackmountain when they complain about overreach.

But when it’s one of his problems he expects an outpouring of support and nothing short of reverence for his situation.

He’s a fugking kghunt.

Yeah pass it along to your wife.

LOL

Wow.

What a flaming prick(s). You know who you are.

You guys have no idea what's going on here and are so damn quick to go straight to character assassination. Well all I can say is fucque you.

Roy... you have the opportunity to take the very good council found THROUGHOUT this post, grow a set of ballz and move forward with a solid ACTION PLAN OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING...

Your other option is to bleed some more.

Truthfully... the choice is 100% yours.

Again... I wish only the best for your son.

Cash, concern is the last thing on your mind. You're just playing a different angle of the character assassination game. You don't know anything about what we are doing here, nor what I'm doing with any advice given here. You know NOTHING of me or my household so don't pretend to be some insightful caring insider.

Give me a break.

Same guys do the same things thread after thread after thread, day after day, week after week. What a pathetic life they must live to get their jollies jacking people on the internet.

Unfortunate position your wife's son has been put in, hopefully he can sort it out.

This seems like a great opportunity to step up and start leading on your part. Show the world the change you wish to see instead of laying down. If it won't be peaceful then so be it - right? Its time.

Poignant.

And compelling. Almost makes me want to pry the couch out of my chunt.

I’m sorry Fireballz.

Is being a kghunt not fun any more?

LOL

Uh-oh.

Fireballz encountered a problem that he might have to deal with.

Time to be a kghunt.

LOL

Go handle it. It's really pretty simple.

I’m sure Sir Ballz A lot is gonna show us just how tough he really is.

Fugking idiot.

LOL

Outstanding.

Well I doubt that - but heres to hoping!!

Al,

You are a fugking idiot.

Hey Tough Ballz,

What's the body count up to?

LOL

only applies to non White People and any illegal alien as long as they are from the third world, and have no insurance....

Asante is doing the same thing here Roy.

life's funny....but if you give shtti expect shtti back.......bob

Come on Roy.

None of that peaceful protest schit.

Let's see what you got.


LOL