Livestock doesn't go to the harvest floor does it?
Harvest grain, pick fruit, collect eggs, catch fish, trap crustations, but I'm not sure what you call it when you're harvesting clams, mussels, or oysters.
Harvesting wild animals sounds more PC than killing them.
GW; Good evening my southern friend, I hope the day was a good one for you folks and that all in your fine family are well.
Indeed I've long held that words matter, which is why we need to pay attention to all sorts of aspects of our written and spoken communications.
We had a neighbor who was a fairly strict vegan, but was okay with folks hunting to get their protein as she felt it was an honest way to go about it.
She couldn't seemingly bring herself to ask if I'd killed anything, but would often ask in her wonderful Swiss accent if I'd "caught anything yet hunting".
When teaching the Hunter Safety course we talk about this during the ethics portion and I've long held and opined that hunting isn't a "sport" per se as typically things don't die during sporting events.
All that to say when we hunt, whether for meat or for predator control, the object is to kill something in order to use either its meat or hide if at all possible.
I'd say though in closing GW, that when one of the yard mulie fawns "harvested" my red beets a little early or when one of the 4 black bears who were on patrol harvested my pear tree this year, I did think that I might like to "harvest" them right back!
Thanks for the thread as I do agree with your thoughts on the matter and all the best to you all as we head into the Christmas Season.
I kill stuff. It makes me sick to my stomach when people start using pc jargon to try to make what they do seem less offensive to anyone who'd be offended by it.
GW; depends upon the audience. Amongst those I know are comfortable with hunting the term is kill.
When I am chatting with a non-hunter who is uncommitted as to whether they are pro or anti hunting I will purposely use “softer” words as I work them toward a pro hunting stance.
Committed anti hunters I won’t talk to and don’t GAF what they think, they can not be convinced.
The non-hunter can be convinced and moved to a pro hunting perspective with a gentle information conversation. There are a great deal more non-hunters than either hunters or anti-hunters we need to win the non-hunters into supporting hunting and firearms rights.
It peeves me to no end when I hear a "hunter" say he "harvest's game.
Your thoughts?
GWB
One harvests crops, picks fruit, slaughters livestock. When one is successful hunting, one has killed. I despise the term harvesting applied to hunted game. As I have stated on this site before, the term demeans the hunter, the activity and, most especially, the game hunted. When I was the North American representative for a justly famous Namibian safari company, I would occasionally have prospective clients ask about the possibility of harvesting this species or that animal. I said politely but forthrightly that we did not harvest anything; we killed game. We were not farmers. We were not a "put and take" operation. Our game was wild and had to be hunted skillfully via fair chase and killed. I got some strange looks and a few argued that it was "just semantics" (which I assured them it was not) but never lost a sale because of my stance on the phrasing.
Practically every state wildlife and fisheries department in the U.S. uses the term harvest. I believe that tells you what you need to know about what these people think about the hunters that they are supposed to be serving.
Do yourself, the larger hunting community, and hunting itself a favor: Do not tolerate the use of the term harvest being applied to hunting.
Kill. I’ve never thanked the animal for giving its life and kissed it afterwards either. It’s an animal, just like me, who happens to have lost out in the contest for position on the food chain. I think you owe the animal as quick of a death and as little suffering as possible. I’m a hunter, not an “outdoors athlete”. If I didn’t enjoy wild game meat, I wouldn’t hunt or fish. No different than planting a garden or hunting mushrooms. It’s all about the groceries.
Kill. I’ve never thanked the animal for giving its life and kissed it afterwards either. It’s an animal, just like me, who happens to have lost out in the contest for position on the food chain. I think you owe the animal as quick of a death and as little suffering as possible. I’m a hunter, not an “outdoors athlete”. If I didn’t enjoy wild game meat, I wouldn’t hunt or fish.
You mean you wouldn't hunt solely to give the meat to the food bank?
harvest verb harvested; harvesting; harvests Definition of harvest (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb
1a: to gather in (a crop) : REAP harvesting corn b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control
The verb harvest indicates that I am not just killing, but also dressing the game and collecting the hide, fur, skull, antlers, and meat for use. I see people that just "kill" coyotes without harvesting them. They leave them for dead. Gut shoot a deer and have it run away and die days after you gave up looking for it. You killed. You didn't harvest it.
harvest verb harvested; harvesting; harvests Definition of harvest (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb
1a: to gather in (a crop) : REAP harvesting corn b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control
The verb harvest indicates that I am not just killing, but also dressing the game and collecting the hide, fur, skull, antlers, and meat for use. I see people that just "kill" coyotes without harvesting them. They leave them for dead. Gut shoot a deer and have it run away and die days after you gave up looking for it. You killed. You didn't harvest it.
harvest verb harvested; harvesting; harvests Definition of harvest (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb
1a: to gather in (a crop) : REAP harvesting corn b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control
The verb harvest indicates that I am not just killing, but also dressing the game and collecting the hide, fur, skull, antlers, and meat for use. I see people that just "kill" coyotes without harvesting them. They leave them for dead. Gut shoot a deer and have it run away and die days after you gave up looking for it. You killed. You didn't harvest it.
The only things you harvest are dicks at the truck stop.
When I was working and used to take my vacation for deer season, the women would almost invariably ask me if I “caught” anything. I always replied, “I don’t catch ‘em, I shoot ‘em”. I’m not a good enough hunter to catch ‘em”. Only once did I get any flack from one, a very pretty one BTW. She walked into the break room and asked me what I was eating. When I told her it was a Bambi sandwich, she got so upset she actually left the room. IIRC, she never spoke to me again.
Harvest doesn’t annoy me if the person saying it isn’t deliberately going out of their way to be PC. Hunting is basically a way of harvesting from nature, be it hunting for morels or hunting for venison but I’ve never used the word harvest when hunting.
harvest verb harvested; harvesting; harvests Definition of harvest (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb
1a: to gather in (a crop) : REAP harvesting corn b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control
The verb harvest indicates that I am not just killing, but also dressing the game and collecting the hide, fur, skull, antlers, and meat for use. I see people that just "kill" coyotes without harvesting them. They leave them for dead. Gut shoot a deer and have it run away and die days after you gave up looking for it. You killed. You didn't harvest it.
Seems like you are going to great lengths. Ya can't do any of the subsequent before you kill it! Then you can skin, dismember, and burn its flesh.
A very special pig!
Farmer Jones got out of his car and while heading for his friend's door, noticed a pig with a wooden leg. His curiosity roused, he ask, "Fred, how'd that pig get him a wooden leg?"
"Well Michael, that's a mighty special pig! A while back a wild boar attacked me while I was walking in the woods. That pig there came a runnin', went after that boar and chased him away. Saved my life!"
"And the boar tore up his leg?" "No he was fine after that. But a bit later we had that fire. Started in the shed up against the barn. Well, that ole pig started squealin' like he was stuck, woke us up, and 'fore we got out here, the darn thing had herded the other animals out of the barn and saved 'em all!"
"So that's when he hurt his leg, huh, Fred?" "No, Michael. He was a might winded, though. When my tractor hit a rock and rolled down the hill into the pond I was knocked clean out. When I came to, that pig had dove into the pond and dragged me out 'fore I drownded. Sure did save my life."
"And that was when he hurt his leg?" "Oh no, he was fine. Cleaned him up, too."
"OK, Fred. So just tell me. How did he get the wooden leg?"
"Well", the farmer tells him, "A pig like that, you don't want to eat all at once."
I guess one could de-nut a male animal of a species or take the claws off crustaceans. Wonder how many ways of "Harvesting" meat there is without first 'killing"?
harvest verb harvested; harvesting; harvests Definition of harvest (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb
1a: to gather in (a crop) : REAP harvesting corn b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (salmon, oysters, deer, etc.) for human use, sport, or population control
The verb harvest indicates that I am not just killing, but also dressing the game and collecting the hide, fur, skull, antlers, and meat for use. I see people that just "kill" coyotes without harvesting them. They leave them for dead. Gut shoot a deer and have it run away and die days after you gave up looking for it. You killed. You didn't harvest it.
Seems like you are going to great lengths. Ya can't do any of the subsequent before you kill it! Then you can skin, dismember, and burn its flesh.
A very special pig!
Farmer Jones got out of his car and while heading for his friend's door, noticed a pig with a wooden leg. His curiosity roused, he ask, "Fred, how'd that pig get him a wooden leg?"
"Well Michael, that's a mighty special pig! A while back a wild boar attacked me while I was walking in the woods. That pig there came a runnin', went after that boar and chased him away. Saved my life!"
"And the boar tore up his leg?" "No he was fine after that. But a bit later we had that fire. Started in the shed up against the barn. Well, that ole pig started squealin' like he was stuck, woke us up, and 'fore we got out here, the darn thing had herded the other animals out of the barn and saved 'em all!"
"So that's when he hurt his leg, huh, Fred?" "No, Michael. He was a might winded, though. When my tractor hit a rock and rolled down the hill into the pond I was knocked clean out. When I came to, that pig had dove into the pond and dragged me out 'fore I drownded. Sure did save my life."
"And that was when he hurt his leg?" "Oh no, he was fine. Cleaned him up, too."
"OK, Fred. So just tell me. How did he get the wooden leg?"
"Well", the farmer tells him, "A pig like that, you don't want to eat all at once."
I guess one could de-nut a male animal of a species or take the claws off crustaceans. Wonder how many ways of "Harvesting" meat there is without first 'killing"?
Don't think I have ever harvested anything. Never hear the term here.
I have picked and cut corn, cut and baled hay, we combined oats and wheat. Killed a bunch of deer, cows, pigs, chickens and some turkeys. Raised meat rabbits as a kid. Killed them too.
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
When my youngest daughter was a litte tyke would see me heading out to go hunting, she'd say, "daddy, catch me a big un". Now she's grown and is 5 years into her military career she wants to know if I've killed a good one yet.
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
I don’t post often but I had to for this one! I kill! Grew up helping my uncle with row crop farming (soybeans). We killed deer and cut beans. He never called and said it’s time to go harvest the beans lol
All the animals I harvest are killed I'm pretty sure the vegetables I grew this last year and harvested were dead also. I think pulling them off the vines killed them
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
So you don't agree that they are common practices in Texas ? In fact that those practices originated in Texas and are so commonly used that Texas is known for such things all across the Country ? For certain there are many here who've proudly posted pictures of their feeders and food plots and game cam pics of bucks that were either "shooters" ready for harvest or ones that are to be passed up because they are not yet "mature" enough and ready for harvest or "culls" that need to be removed so as not to contaminate the genetics of the herd. All common farm practices. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A hunters list of equipment does not include such things as feed, feeders, supplements, seed, plows, discs, fertilizer etc.. Those are the tools of a farmer.
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
So you don't agree that they are common practices in Texas ? In fact that those practices originated in Texas and are so commonly used that Texas is known for such things all across the Country ? For certain there are many here who've proudly posted pictures of their feeders and food plots and game cam pics of bucks that were either "shooters" ready for harvest or ones that are to be passed up because they are not yet "mature" enough and ready for harvest or "culls" that need to be removed so as not to contaminate the genetics of the herd. All common farm practices. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A hunters list of equipment does not include such things as feed, feeders, supplements, seed, plows, discs, fertilizer etc.. Those are the tools of a farmer.
I forgot more about deer hunting here than you'll ever fathom. One thing I do know is that there is probably 1000 times more low fence ground than high fence, and not everyone hunts out of stands over feeders.
I kill stuff. It makes me sick to my stomach when people start using pc jargon to try to make what they do seem less offensive to anyone who'd be offended by it.
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
So you don't agree that they are common practices in Texas ? In fact that those practices originated in Texas and are so commonly used that Texas is known for such things all across the Country ? For certain there are many here who've proudly posted pictures of their feeders and food plots and game cam pics of bucks that were either "shooters" ready for harvest or ones that are to be passed up because they are not yet "mature" enough and ready for harvest or "culls" that need to be removed so as not to contaminate the genetics of the herd. All common farm practices. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A hunters list of equipment does not include such things as feed, feeders, supplements, seed, plows, discs, fertilizer etc.. Those are the tools of a farmer.
I forgot more about deer hunting here than you'll ever fathom. One thing I do know is that there is probably 1000 times more low fence ground than high fence, and not everyone hunts out of stands over feeders.
Good dodge of the questions. Low fence, high fence, shyt, most of the Texas boys here are scared to hunt public land. Can't count the times I've read as much right here on these forums. Gotta own or lease that land in order to restrict access, eliminate competition and feel safe. LOL
I prefer plain talk, I kill sh*t every chance I get. Don't give a rat's ass who it offends. I can't even stand the word "take" (or "took") in the place of kill.
Planned parenthood calls cutting up writhing babies "harvesting organs". The angel of death is known as the Grim Reaper, the definition of reap is "to harvest". I consign my trapped fur to "Fur Harvesters Auction".
Planned parenthood calls cutting up writhing babies "harvesting organs". The angel of death is known as the Grim Reaper, the definition of reap is "to harvest". I consign my trapped fur to "Fur Harvesters Auction".
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
It's all good JG.
Blackheart, I'll make you an offer. I made this offer years ago more than once, never had any takers. Mosey on down to Uvalde Texas, pretty much any time you want, as I'm retired. I'll meet you and we can go to my lease. I have a camper and there is a line shack you can stay in. Be sure to bring water as there is no potable water to be had other than what you bring in. Also bring anything else you require as we are 20 miles from the nearest town and six miles off the paved road. If you want power, (it may be 90 degrees at 10 PM, May through September), you can use a spare generator we have.
Its a 60,000 + acre, low fenced/no fenced ranch, out of which we have a 1,700 acre pasture. No it is not high fenced, but we do bait. Chances are you are from and area that has plenty of public land which to hunt. You may spot and stalk in your home territory. Other than for turkey, varmints or sneaking up on a feeder at night with thermal, while hunting pigs, we don't. That is not local custom here.
What I will do is take a 55 gallon drum and paint it fluorescent orange and hide it somewhere on our 1,700 acre lease. If you can find it in 3 days, I'll give you $2,000, and pay your gas back. The only caveat is that you have to spot and stalk. No motorized vehicle.
A few views of the topography that you will be traipsing
175 yds. from an elevated blind
+/- 270 yds to the dot from the blind!
You will probably want to wear brush pants and long sleeves, even if it is 100degrees F,
as just about every plant you will brush up against either pricks, claws
sticks or stings!
Hint, bring a good pair of tweezers and a magnifying glass. Those little tiny clusters of Cactus hairs are hell to get out with fingernails or a pocket knife.
you will want to wear footwear that gives good ankle support.
I will provide you with a two-way radio to keep on your person while spotting and stalking. There is no cell service, and should you become dehydrated or break a hip or ankle, I'll need to come get you.
Anywho,
Come on down, it will be an experience. I know that the guys that I have entertained in the past that were from different western states told me that having hunted for several days, and enjoyed the hospitality, it changed their whole view of the way we hunt here, and each said they would like to come back.
I kill. And no one is filming me as I flick off the safety.
I’m sure there are some good ones, I’ve seen a few mostly lower budget hunting shows that we’re decent and more realistic but overall can’t stand ‘em. The over the top high-fives or fist bumps and hooting and hollering is retarded.
It peeves me to no end when I hear a "hunter" say he "harvest's game.
Your thoughts?
What you said.
I think the "harvesters" are akin to the person who goes on a mass shooting rampage. Each finds a way to demean and degrade the things they are killing to make it more palatable, make the people less human, make the animal merely a crop rather than a wild and free thing .. make the death matter less. If the day ever comes that I can't say "I killed .." and own it straight up with no excuses, no rationalization, I damned well better hang up my guns because when that happens I've rationalized becoming the monster.
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
It's all good JG.
Blackheart, I'll make you an offer. I made this offer years ago more than once, never had any takers. Mosey on down to Uvalde Texas, pretty much any time you want, as I'm retired. I'll meet you and we can go to my lease. I have a camper and there is a line shack you can stay in. Be sure to bring water as there is no potable water to be had other than what you bring in. Also bring anything else you require as we are 20 miles from the nearest town and six miles off the paved road. If you want power, (it may be 90 degrees at 10 PM, May through September), you can use a spare generator we have.
Its a 60,000 + acre, low fenced/no fenced ranch, out of which we have a 1,700 acre pasture. No it is not high fenced, but we do bait. Chances are you are from and area that has plenty of public land which to hunt. You may spot and stalk in your home territory. Other than for turkey, varmints or sneaking up on a feeder at night with thermal, while hunting pigs, we don't. That is not local custom here.
What I will do is take a 55 gallon drum and paint it fluorescent orange and hide it somewhere on our 1,700 acre lease. If you can find it in 3 days, I'll give you $2,000, and pay your gas back. The only caveat is that you have to spot and stalk. No motorized vehicle.
A few views of the topography that you will be traipsing
175 yds. from an elevated blind
+/- 270 yds to the dot from the blind!
You will probably want to wear brush pants and long sleeves, even if it is 100degrees F,
as just about every plant you will brush up against either pricks, claws
sticks or stings!
Hint, bring a good pair of tweezers and a magnifying glass. Those little tiny clusters of Cactus hairs are hell to get out with fingernails or a pocket knife.
you will want to wear footwear that gives good ankle support.
I will provide you with a two-way radio to keep on your person while spotting and stalking. There is no cell service, and should you become dehydrated or break a hip or ankle, I'll need to come get you.
Anywho,
Come on down, it will be an experience. I know that the guys that I have entertained in the past that were from different western states told me that having hunted for several days, and enjoyed the hospitality, it changed their whole view of the way we hunt here, and each said they would like to come back.
Best,
GWB
That's a damn nice offer GW. Very generous.Thanks ! But I'm afraid I have no desire to hunt in Texas. I have plenty of hunting here. Got 13,000 + acres of State forest just up the road and hundreds of thousands more within a half hours drive in any direction. Baiting is illegal here as well as feeding, the State land is heavily forested and deer numbers are comparatively low but I do like to wander. Water isn't a problem, it's everywhere. In fact the ground, trees and everything else is covered with it in it's frozen white form. There is no cell service where I hunt here either. If you get lost or fall and break something you better be able to get a fire going or you're likely going to freeze. I might die of thirst or heat stroke there. I never could stand hot weather nor am I fond of thorns.
That's a damn nice offer GW. Very generous.Thanks ! But I'm afraid I have no desire to hunt in Texas. I have plenty of hunting here. Got 13,000 + acres of State forest just up the road and hundreds of thousands more within a half hours drive in any direction. Baiting is illegal here, the State land is all heavily forested and deer numbers are comparatively low but I do like to wander. Water isn't a problem, it's everywhere. In fact the ground, trees and everything else is covered with it in it's frozen white form. There is no cell service where I hunt here either. If you get lost or fall and break something you better be able to get a fire going or you're likely to freeze to death. I might die of thirst or heat stroke there.
I understand. It is what it is, and the offer was made in all sincerity. I appreciate your courteous response.
I was born in Texas, have lived here all my life. Been after birds and critters since I was six. I'll be 70 on the 21st of this month. I would have loved to have grown up in a western or nothern clime, but what the hey! Such was not the case.
With time and preparation I could go hunt pretty much all over the world should I want to,(subject to being a 70 yr old flatlander) but I'm content these days to hunt the way I do here.
"Harvest" is about as irritating as people who go out of their way to say something like "I don't hunt anything unless I am going to eat it!"... As if providing life-sustaining food is the ONLY legitimate reason for freeing the spirit of one of Mother Earth's noble creatures.... And they themselves are more righteous than you because they ONLY hunt with this high standard as their goal.
Well, sometimes you don't need the meat. But you may need the fur. You may need the hide. You may need to just get rid of some critter that is causing problems. Now, I don't believe in being wasteful, or abusive to nature, but holy cow, people sure can take it too far. It's the same neo-hippy mindset as "harvest".
We used to say “ take” for the “sensitive types” when I was growing up.
In Missouri if you don’t say “Kilt” … you might get looked at sideways…. When I said “I took” a deer on that ridge over there I was called a Yankee !! LOL
I harvested some skunks by accident with the combine but it sure stinks and nothing edible comes out the back. Everything else I kill. My daughter and grandkids kill also. Edk
When there are so many "hunters" these days who raise deer like a crop of farm animals, I'm surprised there is an objection to using the word "harvest" once they've been fed, photographed, passed up and allowed to age enough to finally produce a good set of antlers. This seems particularly odd coming from a Texan.
Shows how much you know about me, and hunting Texas doesn't it?
It's all good JG.
Blackheart, I'll make you an offer. I made this offer years ago more than once, never had any takers. Mosey on down to Uvalde Texas, pretty much any time you want, as I'm retired. I'll meet you and we can go to my lease. I have a camper and there is a line shack you can stay in. Be sure to bring water as there is no potable water to be had other than what you bring in. Also bring anything else you require as we are 20 miles from the nearest town and six miles off the paved road. If you want power, (it may be 90 degrees at 10 PM, May through September), you can use a spare generator we have.
Its a 60,000 + acre, low fenced/no fenced ranch, out of which we have a 1,700 acre pasture. No it is not high fenced, but we do bait. Chances are you are from and area that has plenty of public land which to hunt. You may spot and stalk in your home territory. Other than for turkey, varmints or sneaking up on a feeder at night with thermal, while hunting pigs, we don't. That is not local custom here.
What I will do is take a 55 gallon drum and paint it fluorescent orange and hide it somewhere on our 1,700 acre lease. If you can find it in 3 days, I'll give you $2,000, and pay your gas back. The only caveat is that you have to spot and stalk. No motorized vehicle.
A few views of the topography that you will be traipsing
175 yds. from an elevated blind
+/- 270 yds to the dot from the blind!
You will probably want to wear brush pants and long sleeves, even if it is 100degrees F,
as just about every plant you will brush up against either pricks, claws
sticks or stings!
Hint, bring a good pair of tweezers and a magnifying glass. Those little tiny clusters of Cactus hairs are hell to get out with fingernails or a pocket knife.
you will want to wear footwear that gives good ankle support.
I will provide you with a two-way radio to keep on your person while spotting and stalking. There is no cell service, and should you become dehydrated or break a hip or ankle, I'll need to come get you.
Anywho,
Come on down, it will be an experience. I know that the guys that I have entertained in the past that were from different western states told me that having hunted for several days, and enjoyed the hospitality, it changed their whole view of the way we hunt here, and each said they would like to come back.
Best,
GWB
Jesus Christ Geedub, how do you get about...on stilts?
"Harvest" is about as irritating as people who go out of their way to say something like "I don't hunt anything unless I am going to eat it!"... As if providing life-sustaining food is the ONLY legitimate reason for freeing the spirit of one of Mother Earth's noble creatures.... And they themselves are more righteous than you because they ONLY hunt with this high standard as their goal.
Well, sometimes you don't need the meat. But you may need the fur. You may need the hide. You may need to just get rid of some critter that is causing problems. Now, I don't believe in being wasteful, or abusive to nature, but holy cow, people sure can take it too far. It's the same neo-hippy mindset as "harvest".
Hypocrits. You're all just a bunch of sissies bitchin' because people don't use your preferred verbs and pronouns. You're no different than the word-nannies you're groaning on about. You're so woke because you "kill" stuff and talk about it with the crudest terms and that makes you more authentic or macho or redneck or genuine than anyone who isn't exactly like you, or do you prefer that I say "exactly like (f)aerselves"?
Hypocrits. You're all just a bunch of sissies bitchin' because people don't use your preferred verbs and pronouns. You're no different than the word-nannies you're groaning on about. You're so woke because you "kill" stuff and talk about it with the crudest terms and that makes you more authentic or macho or redneck or genuine than anyone who isn't exactly like you, or do you prefer that I say "exactly like (f)aerselves"?
Really?
I was a Professional Trapper for fifteen years and under the relevant act I "harvested" kangaroos...I can assure you that when I hunt I kill what I hunt.
"Harvest" is about as irritating as people who go out of their way to say something like "I don't hunt anything unless I am going to eat it!"... As if providing life-sustaining food is the ONLY legitimate reason for freeing the spirit of one of Mother Earth's noble creatures.... And they themselves are more righteous than you because they ONLY hunt with this high standard as their goal.
Well, sometimes you don't need the meat. But you may need the fur. You may need the hide. You may need to just get rid of some critter that is causing problems. Now, I don't believe in being wasteful, or abusive to nature, but holy cow, people sure can take it too far. It's the same neo-hippy mindset as "harvest".
Hypocrits. You're all just a bunch of sissies bitchin' because people don't use your preferred verbs and pronouns. You're no different than the word-nannies you're groaning on about. You're so woke because you "kill" stuff and talk about it with the crudest terms and that makes you more authentic or macho or redneck or genuine than anyone who isn't exactly like you, or do you prefer that I say "exactly like (f)aerselves"?
Really?
I was a Professional Trapper for fifteen years and under the relevant act I "harvested" kangaroos...I can assure you that when I hunt I kill what I hunt.
If there is an issue here it is yours.
No problem here. I said I kill on page 3. I don't get my panties in a bunch because someone else uses a different term. I'm not so sensitive that I even have a preference, but we're on page 8 now of whining ninnies that want to crow about how killing they are and can't stand how liberal anyone who uses a different term is.
Kill. I’ve never thanked the animal for giving its life and kissed it afterwards either. It’s an animal, just like me, who happens to have lost out in the contest for position on the food chain. I think you owe the animal as quick of a death and as little suffering as possible. I’m a hunter, not an “outdoors athlete”. If I didn’t enjoy wild game meat, I wouldn’t hunt or fish.
You mean you wouldn't hunt solely to give the meat to the food bank?
No. Charity is for suckers. I don’t drop quarters in the red kettle or dollar bills to the crack head holding a sign in the median strip either.
Hypocrits. You're all just a bunch of sissies bitchin' because people don't use your preferred verbs and pronouns. You're no different than the word-nannies you're groaning on about. You're so woke because you "kill" stuff and talk about it with the crudest terms and that makes you more authentic or macho or redneck or genuine than anyone who isn't exactly like you, or do you prefer that I say "exactly like (f)aerselves"?
Really?
I was a Professional Trapper for fifteen years and under the relevant act I "harvested" kangaroos...I can assure you that when I hunt I kill what I hunt.
If there is an issue here it is yours.
No problem here. I said I kill on page 3. I don't get my panties in a bunch because someone else uses a different term. I'm not so sensitive that I even have a preference, but we're on page 8 now of whining ninnies that want to crow about how killing they are and can't stand how liberal anyone who uses a different term is.
I'll bet you are a real hoot around a campfire. If not nothing, what is discussed in the glow of the embers?
We used to say “ take” for the “sensitive types” when I was growing up.
In Missouri if you don’t say “Kilt” … you might get looked at sideways…. When I said “I took” a deer on that ridge over there I was called a Yankee !! LOL
We have a few who probably "take" a deer after they kill it.
Some take sheep. Don't know if they eat what they take, don't want to know!
I've often encountered the term 'catch' when referring to big game hunting. I interpret 'catch' to mean that it's still alive, like a fish. I really don't want to catch a live deer or elk. I don't hunt to get the snot kicked out of me.
I prefer, and usually do," blow a hole to daylight." .....
Obono put forward an EO during his last days in office that Lead bullets (or any bullet that contains any lead %) were herein banned on any Federal land.
Why?
HIS SCIENTISTS said that the California condors are eating all of the lead bullets left in dead animals and dying of lead poisoning...
Trump deleted that EO.
Think about that lie for a minute...
Why would a condor eat a bullet when he/she has 200 pounds of raw flesh to eat?
AND
How many bullets have you EVER found after killing a deer or elk? Seriously... how many? Personally NEVER.
Took my 7 year old daughter turkey hunting last Spring. She said "do you think we will catch a Turkey today" and I told her "its very important to me that you understand that we aren't out here to catch turkeys. If we see one then you are going to shoot it and it is going to die. Its not coming home to be our pet turkey."
So I am a "kill" guy. Have always thought its stupid to hear people say harvest.
I saw someone post earlier that they kill them first, then harvest them. I can accept that terminology
I prefer, and usually do," blow a hole to daylight." .....
Obono put forward an EO during his last days in office that Lead bullets (or any bullet that contains any lead %) were herein banned on any Federal land.
Why?
HIS SCIENTISTS said that the California condors are eating all of the lead bullets left in dead animals and dying of lead poisoning...
Trump deleted that EO.
Think about that lie for a minute...
Why would a condor eat a bullet when he/she has 200 pounds of raw flesh to eat?
AND
How many bullets have you EVER found after killing a deer or elk? Seriously... how many? Personally NEVER.
I've recovered a number of bullets from elk. Usually I'll find them under the hide on the far side. The hide is very tough and stretchy and catches them like a trampoline. At the same time, they don't get left in the hills for birds to eat. The idea in hunting is to bring the meat home, not to leave it for the local fawna to eat.
When I think of “harvest” I think of someone going to butcher a cow or pig or shoot a deer over a bait pile.
Hunting to me is going after the animal in the wild, no bait allowed. I call it fair chase. Pretty much summed up hunting with the grandson for the first time this year. We seen deer but didn’t kill any, they weren’t within the size limit for the area we hunt. But we had a good time and still ate good. Trying to teach him right so he doesn’t follow a bad path later on.
BTW, the grandson would be doing the shooting, I have no desire to kill an animal anymore. These pups ruined me a few years back.
When I think of “harvest” I think of someone going to butcher a cow or pig or shoot a deer over a bait pile.
Hunting to me is going after the animal in the wild, no bait allowed. I call it fair chase.
You ever hunt around white oak trees?
Yes I do, red oak and several fields too. But we also put out 250 lbs of corn and 25 lbs of bird seed around the cabins once a week to watch the animal come and feed. Deer, bear, turkey, squirrel, grouse, rabbits, possums and coons enjoy the feast. Deer never venture far away and come to it 4-5 times a day. Bears will lay in it. Dogs bark and they ignore it. They hear the truck come in the driveway and they run the feeding spots. Funny……I’ve never had that happen in a stand of white oaks.