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For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.
Don't think that's the math. It's probably more like death rate of unvaxxed minus death rate of vaxxed = people who would have died without vax. Compare that to the number of people who died from vax adverse events.

What a surprise!
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.


It's a screen shot of a tweet by an English reality TV actor, I'd say his expertise in these matters is unassailable.


I’m skeptical of follow the money and big pharma, that said if you believe this you are very easily manipulated. Come on Jag, this is a bunch of junk . . .
One thing is for certain though, as history is the best indicator........if you believe what big Pharma tells you, you're a fool.
The graphic is very misleading. While the quotation was made during an open meeting by the FDA on September 21st, 2021, it was not an FDA statement. It was made by Steve Kirsch who is an entrepreneur with a background in banking technology and just happens to be funding research into COVID-19 treatments unrelated to vaccines. So he is hardly a non biased scientist or expert.

If Pfizer hid data from the FDA, their blanket immunity from liability no longer applies. The ensuing class action suit will end them.

So I wouldn't hang my hat on this statement anymore than I believe what the FDA has been telling us.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The graphic is very misleading.


What??? Who woulda guessed? I mean, who'd a thunk it?
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.


For ffuks sake, fox, do the math, im reporting what was put on a Freaking Pfizer meeting. Get a CLUE?

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.
Originally Posted by jaguartx

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.

Bingo!
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The graphic is very misleading. While the quotation was made during an open meeting by the FDA on September 21st, 2021, it was not an FDA statement. It was made by Steve Kirsch who is an entrepreneur with a background in banking technology and just happens to be funding research into COVID-19 treatments unrelated to vaccines. So he is hardly a non biased scientist or expert.

If Pfizer hid data from the FDA, their blanket immunity from liability no longer applies. The ensuing class action suit will end them.

So I wouldn't hang my hat on this statement anymore than I believe what the FDA has been telling us.


Yes, The Jab being pushed is a lie by the FDA. Its the Bio N Tech (come on spell checkers), not the Corminity vax.
Just because you really, really, really, really believe something does not make it reality.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by jaguartx

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.

Bingo!


Well then, do the math. If the jab has saved zero and killed twice as many, how many has it killed?

Kind of puts the lie to the whole premise, don't you think?


Believing the point is easy, not because of this piece, but because of the vast number of legitimate pieces that all point to this very conclusion. Dr. Malone being the greatest example recently.

People will arge Betty White died of being old. Getting the booster two days earlier.

There's the interesting article about insurance companies paying out for random deaths at a massive increase.

There's the increase in athletes just dying for no good reason, arguably the healthiest of individuals.

The Rogan podcast with Malone being one of if not the highest viewed in history probably shared more than they can stop...

Haters gonna hate, fighters gonna fight.
Get a life.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Just because you really, really, really, really believe something does not make it reality.



Pretty generalized statement there. Care to get more specific re what your referring to.

The legal facts have been reported on the Fire late last spring that Pfizer has no Corminity vax in the states and doesnt plan on getting it here. Its been proven that the news the vax being given is not the one the complicit FDA approved.

Their idea is there will be no consequences due to the fact they feel no legal enforcement will be forthcoming.

The top virologists reporting this are blocked by the MSM and SM.

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Originally Posted by high_country_
Believing the point is easy, not because of this piece......


"Bingo." And not because of a podcast produced by a guy who makes money off the number of views, with an inherent incentive to sensationalize so guys like jag will pick it up and run with it, post and re-post ad nauseum.

People are all over "follow the money" when it comes to big pharma but turn a blind eye when it comes to podcasters and "news outlets" making money off sensationalized anti-vax stories with no basis in fact.

Like the one in the OP.
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Isnt NY about the most jabbed place in the country?

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Some of you are due for your 5th booster. Keep the faith! LMAO
Hey, Israel is covered up in COVID-19 and starting their 4th.
As of Aug 19 60% of those hospitalized for Covid in Israel were fully vaxed.

1.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

Over 92% of Israel is vaccinated and their COVID-19 counts keep increasing.

2. Many who are sick with COVID-19 in Israel never get marked as confirmed.

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Originally Posted by high_country_
Believing the point is easy, not because of this piece, but because of the vast number of legitimate pieces that all point to this very conclusion. Dr. Malone being the greatest example recently.

People will arge Betty White died of being old. Getting the booster two days earlier.

There's the interesting article about insurance companies paying out for random deaths at a massive increase.

There's the increase in athletes just dying for no good reason, arguably the healthiest of individuals.

The Rogan podcast with Malone being one of if not the highest viewed in history probably shared more than they can stop...

Haters gonna hate, fighters gonna fight.

I didn't realize Betty White had gotten the booster two days before she died. How was she doing prior to that? Last I saw her, she was walking around and doing very well.
"Steve Boettcher revealed that [Betty] White filmed a video tribute to her fans ... just 10 days before she died."

This would seem to indicate that she wasn't in decline prior to her death. This fact lends credence to the suggestion that the booster did her in.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
"Steve Boettcher revealed that [Betty] White filmed a video tribute to her fans ... just 10 days before she died."

This would seem to indicate that she wasn't in decline prior to her death. This fact lends credence to the suggestion that the booster did her in.


I saw a news release on FOX yesterday that stated that she did NOT get a Booster Shot before she died.
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.


Yep. The article I mentioned said she died of “natural causes”

Both of my Grandmothers died at 99 years of age.
One of a heart attack, the other got pneumonia after falling and breaking her hip.
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.

Sure, but typically people in that age group die after a period of decline and being bedridden. If they die suddenly, after being generally well, you need to look at other causes (heart attack, stroke, etc.), just like if a middle aged person died suddenly in his or her sleep.
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.


I don't disagree at all. There are hundreds of old people that just up and die. The hard ones to explain are the young myocarditis cases that seem to be appearing at rates I've never seen.
Originally Posted by high_country_
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.


I don't disagree at all. There are hundreds of old people that just up and die. The hard ones to explain are the young myocarditis cases that seem to be appearing at rates I've never seen.


So, what were the rates before the vaccine, and what are the rates now? Did you really pay attention to the rates before the vaccine?
Originally Posted by JGRaider
One thing is for certain though, as history is the best indicator........if you believe what big Pharma tells you, you're a fool.


Ain't that a fact. We are all so lucky to have found the very best of the internet expert medical community here at the Campfire Pandemic Mitigation Center. If only we had this level of expert care in 1950 the world may have avoided that whole polio debacle.
Originally Posted by JackRyan
Originally Posted by JGRaider
One thing is for certain though, as history is the best indicator........if you believe what big Pharma tells you, you're a fool.


Ain't that a fact. We are all so lucky to have found the very best of the internet expert medical community here at the Campfire Pandemic Mitigation Center. If only we had this level of expert care in 1950 the world may have avoided that whole polio debacle.

There's a problem with the whole Polio vaccine narrative. First of all, only one percent of children who contracted it suffered any level of permanent paralysis. Secondly, it's highly likely they did so due to a vulnerability in their nervous systems caused by DDT exposure from baby formula (cows were heavily treated with DDT at that time to prevent disease). They stopped, or sharply curtailed, treating cows with DDT in the early 1950s.

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If there is any BULLS HIT to be found anywhere.......it'll be posted ON THE FIRE!!
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by high_country_
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.


I don't disagree at all. There are hundreds of old people that just up and die. The hard ones to explain are the young myocarditis cases that seem to be appearing at rates I've never seen.


So, what were the rates before the vaccine, and what are the rates now? Did you really pay attention to the rates before the vaccine?


About a month ago I did some internet research that said prior to covid 75% of the people that died in the USA were over the age of 65. With covid it said that 80% of the deaths in the USA are over the age of 65.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.


For ffuks sake, fox, do the math, im reporting what was put on a Freaking Pfizer meeting. Get a CLUE?

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.



And in reality, the “vaccine” is killing people that would not have died from covid along with the fact that not all the covid deaths are a result of covid. So, I don’t know if that math is correct but the premise is certainly correct.

Just downloaded the VAERS data again today, just shy of 9,000 deaths from the “vaccine” in 2021. Have to also mention that the VAERS data is known to be severely underreported so the death count is certainly much higher.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by high_country_
Originally Posted by Calvin
She was 99. Pretty sure that did her in.


I don't disagree at all. There are hundreds of old people that just up and die. The hard ones to explain are the young myocarditis cases that seem to be appearing at rates I've never seen.


So, what were the rates before the vaccine, and what are the rates now? Did you really pay attention to the rates before the vaccine?


This information is in the VAERS data files but a little difficult to pull out by age. One file with just the symptoms is easy to get counts from but doesn’t have personnel data of the patient so the counts are impossible to differentiate by age. The file with the personnel data is much larger with a lot more description but that buries the symptoms so they are a little harder to count. One number that stands out is the death number for 2021, all ages, which is just shy of 9000. Previous years, if I remember correctly, are around 300 or less per year.

The data comes in a csv file which can be looked at in Excel. Next to impossible to count there though because each patient is a row with up to 5 symptoms per patient. So, to get a death count in excel, with over 900,000 patients, you have to count from 4,500,000 cells. I’m a database programmer so I wrote a program to do the counts. Pretty easy to look at it then.
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
"Steve Boettcher revealed that [Betty] White filmed a video tribute to her fans ... just 10 days before she died."

This would seem to indicate that she wasn't in decline prior to her death. This fact lends credence to the suggestion that the booster did her in.


I saw a news release on FOX yesterday that stated that she did NOT get a Booster Shot before she died.


Yep. Saw the same and being 99 ‘probably ‘ had some involvement in the Lady’s passing but you can’t assume that.

Laughing.
Originally Posted by BuckHaggard
Get a life.



This stuff is his life.

Throw in a lie or several and it’s all good.
Originally Posted by 450BM
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.


For ffuks sake, fox, do the math, im reporting what was put on a Freaking Pfizer meeting. Get a CLUE?

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.



And in reality, the “vaccine” is killing people that would not have died from covid along with the fact that not all the covid deaths are a result of covid. So, I don’t know if that math is correct but the premise is certainly correct.

Just downloaded the VAERS data again today, just shy of 9,000 deaths from the “vaccine” in 2021. Have to also mention that the VAERS data is known to be severely underreported so the death count is certainly much higher.


VAERS hit 20,000 deaths from the jabs in the US a few weeks ago.

Columbia U report that 200,000 have died from them has been scrubbed.

Harvard study reported only 1 to 10% of VAERS Deaths and illnesses are being listed.

Drs in Texas are reporting most Nurses in hospitals dont know anything about getting them listed.

So, if what Harvard says is true then taking 20,000 as the 10% gives 200,000 deaths. If 5% are reported, then there would be 400,000.

Also, None of the deaths from the jab are being reported if they occur within the first 2 weeks, which is when the majority of deaths occur.

Of course, we can believe Biden, Faucci and Madcow who said they would prevent covid infection and are safe before saying they would end the pandemic before Biden said the Feds have no control and are sending the COVID-19 plandemic to the states.

Faukki also said Cuomo did the right thing sticking COVID-19 disease pts in Nursing homes which is illegal by federal and state law.

Not really too hard to figure this out. If the vaccines were safe and effective people would want them.

See what fruit the tree produces before partaking or not.

So they are beating people in Australia with rifles and putting dogs on people in Denmark to protect them? Right.
Originally Posted by 450BM
Originally Posted by jaguartx
You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.


And in reality, the “vaccine” is killing people that would not have died from covid along with the fact that not all the covid deaths are a result of covid. So, I don’t know if that math is correct but the premise is certainly correct.


Not entirely true, Jag, but directionally correct. Its benefits have been grossly overstated, to the point of being an outright (criminal) lie now that we know what we know a year later. The number of people who wouldn't have died without the jab - but took it anyway - is a great way to scare the sheeple into their safe rooms, but remains a statistical game which dissenters will abuse. Kinda like global warming.

450 summarizes it well that your underlying premise & logic are correct. Rather than arguing over 5th decimal place, I like to round numbers down (or, in whichever direction benefits the dissenters) to show the numbers still tell a story, and it's not conducive to their argument. It's alot of fun bringing data to an emotional debate. Except with my wife shocked
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by 450BM
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
For [bleep]’s sake jag, at least do the math before posting this schit. 2 dead for every life saved? That would mean there’s a 136,000,000 dead in this country alone based on 204 mm vaccinated to date. JFC.


For ffuks sake, fox, do the math, im reporting what was put on a Freaking Pfizer meeting. Get a CLUE?

You want to know the truth? The jab hasnt saved anyone.



And in reality, the “vaccine” is killing people that would not have died from covid along with the fact that not all the covid deaths are a result of covid. So, I don’t know if that math is correct but the premise is certainly correct.

Just downloaded the VAERS data again today, just shy of 9,000 deaths from the “vaccine” in 2021. Have to also mention that the VAERS data is known to be severely underreported so the death count is certainly much higher.


VAERS hit 20,000 deaths from the jabs in the US a few weeks ago.

Columbia U report that 200,000 have died from them has been scrubbed.

Harvard study reported only 1 to 10% of VAERS Deaths and illnesses are being listed.

Drs in Texas are reporting most Nurses in hospitals dont know anything about getting them listed.

So, if what Harvard says is true then taking 20,000 as the 10% gives 200,000 deaths. If 5% are reported, then there would be 400,000.

Also, None of the deaths from the jab are being reported if they occur within the first 2 weeks, which is when the majority of deaths occur.

Of course, we can believe Biden, Faucci and Madcow who said they would prevent covid infection and are safe before saying they would end the pandemic before Biden said the Feds have no control and are sending the COVID-19 plandemic to the states.

Faukki also said Cuomo did the right thing sticking COVID-19 disease pts in Nursing homes which is illegal by federal and state law.

Not really too hard to figure this out. If the vaccines were safe and effective people would want them.

See what fruit the tree produces before partaking or not.

So they are beating people in Australia with rifles and putting dogs on people in Denmark to protect them? Right.


I’ve read that VAERS number before but that’s not what I’m coming up with. There is multiple files but I thought (by looking at it) that they were the same patients with one detail file and the other “less” detail. One of them is very detailed with lengthy descriptions, dates, ages and so forth. The other is a “patient number” or something and up to five symptoms. This is the one I wrote the program to count and it was simply counting the different symptoms and how many times they occurred. That was my 9000 number. The other one with “lots more” information is countable too but I haven’t written a program to do it yet. Data is different, like there is a field called “died” but the data in it doesn’t make sense. I would expect a logical field here with either a “T” or “F” but there are different letters that I suspect are overrun from the field in front of it. Need to look at the CSV file again and see if it makes any sense. Otherwise, there are fields like birthdate, age, sex so it is possible to get more detail in the counts but my original purpose for looking was the overall death count.

Ask me for specific details and I’ll see if I can pull them out.

I too have read a bunch of different studies about the % reported on VAERS and they is a variance. One thing they all agree on is that it is under reported by a large amount, how large is the question.

Heck, not even considered vaccinated if hospitalized or die within two weeks of one of their shots. One way they are keeping the numbers low.

Yeah, this crap is scary. I’ve read a number of books about WWII, some with extensive details on Hitler and the Nazis drawing a lot of parallels to what is happening now. Latest read is a book my son got me for Christmas, “Stalin’s War”. Many parallels to Stalin too…
Originally Posted by jaguartx
As of Aug 19 60% of those hospitalized for Covid in Israel were fully vaxed.

1.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

Over 92% of Israel is vaccinated and their COVID-19 counts keep increasing.

2. Many who are sick with COVID-19 in Israel never get recorded


If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by jaguartx
As of Aug 19 60% of those hospitalized for Covid in Israel were fully vaxed.

1.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

Over 92% of Israel is vaccinated and their COVID-19 counts keep increasing.

2. Many who are sick with COVID-19 in Israel never get recorded


If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.


Golly-Gee, I guess 'they' didn't provide any stats on those with natural antibodies?

That[also] should tell you something.
Really?

What should that tell us?

Can you articulate your point?
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Really?

What should that tell us?

Can you articulate your point?


How many of those 'unvaxxed' in Hospital and or ICU have natural antibodies to Covid-19?

This seems to be a stat 'they' don't want to report for some odd reason???
If they had "natural antibodies", why would they be in the hospital? Let alone ICU, or dead?
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by jaguartx
As of Aug 19 60% of those hospitalized for Covid in Israel were fully vaxed.
1.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

Over 92% of Israel is vaccinated and their COVID-19 counts keep increasing.

2. Many who are sick with COVID-19 in Israel never get recorded
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
If Pfizer hid data from the FDA, their blanket immunity from liability no longer applies. The ensuing class action suit will end them.

Then why the FDA say it needs 75 years to fully release Pfizer C-19 data to the public?
Originally Posted by High_Noon
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
If Pfizer hid data from the FDA, their blanket immunity from liability no longer applies. The ensuing class action suit will end them.

Then why the FDA say it needs 75 years to fully release Pfizer C-19 data to the public?


Yes, can anyone tell us this?
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.

No, I don't "think: anything. I freely admit no knowledge of Israel's vaxxed vs unvaxxed demographic.

But I am well aware of the demographic in Idaho which refuses the vaccine.

By and large, it is not those in failing health.

In Idaho, the vaxxed who end up in ICU are predominantly in extremely failing health.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.

No, I don't "think: anything. I freely admit no knowledge of Israel's vaxxed vs unvaxxed demographic.

But I am well aware of the demographic in Idaho which refuses the vaccine.

By and large, it is not those in failing health.

In Idaho, the vaxxed who end up in ICU are predominantly in extremely failing health.


Your last paragraph would pretty much apply across the board one would think.
Somewhere in some moms basement is a 15 yr old thinking to himself “yea got me another group, …. These folks are like bluegills in a small farm pond, they’ll hit anything”
Originally Posted by JimHnSTL
Somewhere in some moms basement is a 15 yr old thinking to himself “yea got me another group, …. These folks are like bluegills in a small farm pond, they’ll hit anything”

Shiny bare hook in our pond
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.

No, I don't "think: anything. I freely admit no knowledge of Israel's vaxxed vs unvaxxed demographic.

But I am well aware of the demographic in Idaho which refuses the vaccine.

By and large, it is not those in failing health.

In Idaho, the vaxxed who end up in ICU are predominantly in extremely failing health.


Your last paragraph would pretty much apply across the board one would think.


Uh, no!

Despite so many claims to the contrary on this board, covid has killed a lot of people with no or very minor health concerns prior to Covid infection.

While it has been recognized for over a year that none of the covid vaccines can guarantee to prevent infection.

It is well proven they do a great job of lessening the seriousness of the infection. Even in old fuquers with seriously compromised lungs.
Must not forget this is a 99.8% survivable virus. Don’t overthink it . . .

Maybe your mileage will vary.
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
If there is any BULLS HIT to be found anywhere.......it'll be posted ON THE FIRE!!


Yup
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.

No, I don't "think: anything. I freely admit no knowledge of Israel's vaxxed vs unvaxxed demographic.

But I am well aware of the demographic in Idaho which refuses the vaccine.

By and large, it is not those in failing health.

In Idaho, the vaxxed who end up in ICU are predominantly in extremely failing health.


Your last paragraph would pretty much apply across the board one would think.


Uh, no!

Despite so many claims to the contrary on this board, covid has killed a lot of people with no or very minor health concerns prior to Covid infection.

While it has been recognized for over a year that none of the covid vaccines can guarantee to prevent infection.

It is well proven they do a great job of lessening the seriousness of the infection. Even in old fuquers with seriously compromised lungs.

Proven by who? Them? I wouldnt trust "their"data either,, remember "they" are pushing this BS,,, Im begining to think all covid is, is a very nasty flu variant that they are promoting and getting rich off of, follow the money
Originally Posted by hosfly
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If 92% of the nation is vaxxed, is it any surprise that 60% of hospitalizations are vaxxed. That leaves 8% of the population accounting for 40% of hospitalizations. Does that not reveal something to you.

Idaho has a 46% vaxx rate. About 86% of hospitalizations are unvaxed. 88% of ICU admissions are unvaxxed. Almost 90% of C-19 deaths in Idaho are unvaxxed.

That should also tell you something.
Trouble is, you don't know much, if anything about that 8% cohort.
You *think* it's made up of fat, stupid people but you don't know. You don't know that the 8% is largely made up of people who have illnesses/conditions that contraindicate the vax.

No, I don't "think: anything. I freely admit no knowledge of Israel's vaxxed vs unvaxxed demographic.

But I am well aware of the demographic in Idaho which refuses the vaccine.

By and large, it is not those in failing health.

In Idaho, the vaxxed who end up in ICU are predominantly in extremely failing health.


Your last paragraph would pretty much apply across the board one would think.


Uh, no!

Despite so many claims to the contrary on this board, covid has killed a lot of people with no or very minor health concerns prior to Covid infection.

While it has been recognized for over a year that none of the covid vaccines can guarantee to prevent infection.

It is well proven they do a great job of lessening the seriousness of the infection. Even in old fuquers with seriously compromised lungs.

Proven by who? Them? I wouldnt trust "their"data either,, remember "they" are pushing this BS,,, Im begining to think all covid is, is a very nasty flu variant that they are promoting and getting rich off of, follow the money



Nah. Money??
It’s altruism at its best.

Sarc
Sometime you guys will put together the facts that we have much more of the population vaxxed this year than last, but as many or more hospitalizations and, I predict, deaths.
Why are people going to the hospital with the flu?
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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Sometime you guys will put together the facts that we have much more of the population vaxxed this year than last, but as many or more hospitalizations and, I predict, deaths.


Well, to hell with you and your inconvenient facts. smile
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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Why are people going to the hospital with the flu?


Because they are scared s h I t l e s s .
Thank you politicians and msm.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If they had "natural antibodies", why would they be in the hospital? Let alone ICU, or dead?


But,
If 'they' are un-vaxxed
'They' should be dropping like flies, no?
Originally Posted by Raeford
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Really?

What should that tell us?

Can you articulate your point?


How many of those 'unvaxxed' in Hospital and or ICU have natural antibodies to Covid-19?

This seems to be a stat 'they' don't want to report for some odd reason???


I don't think that means what you think it means. That would make the argument for vaccination even more compelling.
Originally Posted by BuckHaggard
Originally Posted by Raeford
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Really?

What should that tell us?

Can you articulate your point?


How many of those 'unvaxxed' in Hospital and or ICU have natural antibodies to Covid-19?

This seems to be a stat 'they' don't want to report for some odd reason???


I don't think that means what you think it means. That would make the argument for vaccination even more compelling.


It is not reported due to the miniscule #, something the CDC, NIH, Phizer/Moderna etc, etc do not want the publik to know.

No money to be made from natural antibodies nor control to be taken from it.
Why would Pfizer and FDA not want complete vax stats revealed for 75 years?

Thats about all i need to know.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Why would Pfizer and FDA not want complete vax stats revealed for 75 years?

Thats about all i need to know.

Exactly.
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