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Posted By: J23 Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
2016 F150 3.5L

Electric cooling fans started running on full blast from the time I start the truck until I shut it off. Even when it's 20 degrees out and the motor is cold.

No check engine light.

All else seems normal except around the same time the fans started running non stop, my average mileage dropped from 20.something down to 18.something. the cooling fans are electric so I don't see how they could affect mileage, but the timing is sure suspicious.

Any techs here? ...or anyone else have this problem with their F150?

Find the relay that controls the cooling fan. The fuse/relay panel diagram is in your owner’s manual. Swap it with another relay of the same ampacity that is known good. Start the truck with a cold motor and if the fan does not come on, the relay is stuck “on”. If it’s stuck on, replace it.
That’s the first thing I would check.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Poor A/C Performance And/Or Engine Cooling Fans Running Continuously 21-2250
01 September 2021

Model:

Ford
2015-2020 F-150
2017-2020 F-Super Duty
2018-2020 Expedition
Lincoln
2018-2020 Navigator
Issue: Some 2015-2020 F-150, 2017-2020 Super Duty and 2018-2020 Expedition/Navigator vehicles may exhibit poor air conditioning (A/C) performance, loss of airflow and/or engine cooling fans running continuously from high A/C pressures. This concern may be from the evaporator freezing up due to the evaporator temperature sensor being biased. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to replace the evaporator temperature sensor.

Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:
Posted By: hicountry Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Found on Roads Dead....
Posted By: hp4570 Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
On my 2014 F150 with the 5.0, the cylinder head temp sensor went bad. Dealer had the truck for two days and couldn’t figure it out.
Usually electric fans are triggered by a temp sensor...
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Common on the 5.0 f150s. I don’t know about the 6cyls.
Posted By: ol_mike Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
I'm going to do this every time an F-150 is mentioned, get mad if you want to smile

Posted By: ironbender Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Poor A/C Performance And/Or Engine Cooling Fans Running Continuously 21-2250
01 September 2021

Model:

Ford
2015-2020 F-150
2017-2020 F-Super Duty
2018-2020 Expedition
Lincoln
2018-2020 Navigator
Issue: Some 2015-2020 F-150, 2017-2020 Super Duty and 2018-2020 Expedition/Navigator vehicles may exhibit poor air conditioning (A/C) performance, loss of airflow and/or engine cooling fans running continuously from high A/C pressures. This concern may be from the evaporator freezing up due to the evaporator temperature sensor being biased. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to replace the evaporator temperature sensor.

Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:

This fella’s handy to have around.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Yeah, but you're the only one that read, that supplied correct answer, Mike !!
Posted By: ironbender Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
😂
Hence the quote.
Posted By: 1911a1 Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by ol_mike
I'm going to do this every time an F-150 is mentioned, get mad if you want to smile



Laffin' !
First
On
Race
Day
Posted By: rainshot Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Hell get a Chevy and a truck bed full of replacement lightbulbs. Or just drive in the dark but you’ll be styling. Every make has its troubles. People drive what they like. Everything else sucks.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Cracked
Heads
Every
Valve
Rattles
Oil
Leaks
Every
Time

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Must
Own
Pickup
And
Rope
Speed kills- - - -buy a Chevy and be safe!
Posted By: ironbender Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Cracked
Heads
Every
Valve
Rattles
Oil
Leaks
Every
Time

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Must
Own
Pickup
And
Rope

Pontiac?
👿
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Cracked
Heads
Every
Valve
Rattles
Oil
Leaks
Every
Time

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily


Must
Own
Pickup
And
Rope

Pontiac?
👿


Poor
Old
Nagger
Thinks
It’s
A
Cadillac
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: NVhntr Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Cracked
Heads
Every
Valve
Rattles
Oil
Leaks
Every
Time

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Must
Own
Pickup
And
Rope


Or:
R
equires
A
Mechanic
Posted By: coobie Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/06/22
Originally Posted by hicountry
Found on Roads Dead....
First on race day grin
Posted By: J23 Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/07/22
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Poor A/C Performance And/Or Engine Cooling Fans Running Continuously 21-2250
01 September 2021

Model:

Ford
2015-2020 F-150
2017-2020 F-Super Duty
2018-2020 Expedition
Lincoln
2018-2020 Navigator
Issue: Some 2015-2020 F-150, 2017-2020 Super Duty and 2018-2020 Expedition/Navigator vehicles may exhibit poor air conditioning (A/C) performance, loss of airflow and/or engine cooling fans running continuously from high A/C pressures. This concern may be from the evaporator freezing up due to the evaporator temperature sensor being biased. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to replace the evaporator temperature sensor.

Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:


As Ironbender pointed out, you're sure handy to have around. Thanks 99, Im gonna try replacing that Evaporator Temperature Sensor, and see if that does the trick.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/07/22
Cheers Mate, any time !!
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/07/22
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Find the relay that controls the cooling fan. The fuse/relay panel diagram is in your owner’s manual. Swap it with another relay of the same ampacity that is known good. Start the truck with a cold motor and if the fan does not come on, the relay is stuck “on”. If it’s stuck on, replace it.
That’s the first thing I would check.

I would think that the relay wouldn't click on unless there was power coming from the sensor. There shouldn't be any with a cold engine.
Posted By: grouseman Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/07/22
The solution to that problem identified by the TSB is one that I'm sure would be very, very hard to find by a normal mechanic.

And the people who animate for King of the Hill have absolutely no idea what an engine compartment looks like. Sheesh.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Find the relay that controls the cooling fan. The fuse/relay panel diagram is in your owner’s manual. Swap it with another relay of the same ampacity that is known good. Start the truck with a cold motor and if the fan does not come on, the relay is stuck “on”. If it’s stuck on, replace it.
That’s the first thing I would check.

I would think that the relay wouldn't click on unless there was power coming from the sensor. There shouldn't be any with a cold engine.

That’s not necessarily true. Relays can stick. The sensors provide the signal for on and off. The power to run the fan is not the same conductor as the signal conductor. Otherwise there’s no reason to have a relay.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Any Ford techs on here? - 01/07/22
Originally Posted by grouseman
The solution to that problem identified by the TSB is one that I'm sure would be very, very hard to find by a normal mechanic.

And the people who animate for King of the Hill have absolutely no idea what an engine compartment looks like. Sheesh.


Yep, only knew about it because, we've had 3 though the shop since fall & o1 of my tech's is ford trained.

**To prove out, hook up a/c gauges to check pressures - the high side will be "through the roof".
Originally Posted by grouseman
The solution to that problem identified by the TSB is one that I'm sure would be very, very hard to find by a normal mechanic.

And the people who animate for King of the Hill have absolutely no idea what an engine compartment looks like. Sheesh.


Any real mechanic should know the fan is triggered by a temp sensor..
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