Home
Posted By: bellydeep Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Look at the inept morons we happen to have in charge at the moment. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted By: SBTCO Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
This video might help:

https://rumble.com/vwb62i-usnato-provoked-ukraine-war-say-most-experts-on-russia.html

And if ribka is around he'll give you an ear full.

...and I'm not a Russia defender, I'm an America defender (and that doesn't include the aholes that put us here).
Posted By: lastround Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22

FJB
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Do you want America/NATO to keep poking the Bear until there's a mushroom cloud outside your front door? Does Ukraine, a really schtty nation, mean that much to you? Yes or no.

I can live without Ukraine and the kickbacks going to the Biden/Clinton criminal cabals, I won't miss one thing about that nation if it is subjugated by Russia.

Not my ball of rice.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Other than protecting our politicians’ favorite money funneling place, what would we stand to gain?
Posted By: kw565 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!
Posted By: prplbkrr Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
We should just sit this one out. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.
Posted By: viking Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I am not a fan of Russia, but I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.

Watching Fox earlier they were showing “refugees” getting on a train. Those chicks had lots of makeup on and some had I 13 phones with 3 cameras.

They didn’t look deprived.
Posted By: jackmountain Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Fugk Russia and Fugk Ukraine. Europe will be the most affected, so let them deal with it.
Posted By: dassa Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I don't really defend Russia, but I can understand why they attacked.

The last thing I would want would be my next door neighbor to form an alliance with the most aggressive and destructive nation in the last seventy years. Especially when the politicians of that country blame me for everything that goes wrong in their utopia.

If my neighbor also sponsored numerous biolabs for US govt, I would want to destroy those, as well. Unless I believed that the kung flu really originated in a wet market, and not in another us sponsored lab. Then I might have some faith that the U.S. had honorable intentions in their biolabs, that they assure are not for weaponizing pathogens.

If my neighbor had also been killing my fellow country men for several years, I might be inclined to do something.

As an American, I hope the money-laundering bastards get their asses kicked, and the rest of the world thinks twice before funneling my tax money to ratbastard politicians.
Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate Biden and Putin. I see no reason why it has to be one or the other.
Posted By: RiverRider Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.



You probably should be looking for those "credible sources" on your own.

Is there a credible source detailing the reasons we should support Ukraine? (I said credible)

When you hear the war drums beating, follow the money.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Russia is now recruiting Syrians for urban warfare

WSJ
Posted By: RiverRider Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Russia is now recruiting Syrians for urban warfare

WSJ



I tend to believe the opposite of anything WSJ says. Conditioned reflex, I suppose.

Who knows.

Still, how in hell do they do that? Swear them into the Russian military and issue orders? Hire them as mercenaries? Or just paid rabble??
Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Russia is now recruiting Syrians for urban warfare

WSJ

Oh oh oh, sign me up!
Posted By: deadlift_dude Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Do you want America/NATO to keep poking the Bear until there's a mushroom cloud outside your front door? Does Ukraine, a really schtty nation, mean that much to you? Yes or no.

I can live without Ukraine and the kickbacks going to the Biden/Clinton criminal cabals, I won't miss one thing about that nation if it is subjugated by Russia.

Not my ball of rice.


What gonehuntin wrote.
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Waiting for "reports" that Russian troops are bayonetting little babies and despoiling virtuous Ukrainian women....shades of 1914
Posted By: OldGrayWolf Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
When the US media, George Soros and Nathan Rothschild all agree that “we” must not let Ukraine fall to Russia, I tend to think maybe we should do just that. Never agreed with any of those mentioned on a single thing before, so why start with this? Change my mind.
Posted By: RiverRider Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
^ ^ ^ ^


That.
Posted By: high_country_ Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Posted By: TheLastLemming76 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I’ve never seen anyone ever mention Q in any of this. Who the fug believes in Q?
Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[img]https://www.bitchute.com/video/7rOrnFuFN6sh/[/img] SOROS
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by viking
I am not a fan of Russia, but I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.

Watching Fox earlier they were showing “refugees” getting on a train. Those chicks had lots of makeup on and some had I 13 phones with 3 cameras.

They didn’t look deprived.


Except to that whole fleeing their country as refugees thing.

If I had a new Iphone it sure would take the sting out having my country bombed and invaded.
Posted By: Santiam Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I am going with Reagan..They are evil..
Posted By: grouseman Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Look for videos from John mearscheimer in 2015 and 2022. Makes the most sense of all.
Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
When the US media, George Soros and Nathan Rothschild all agree that “we” must not let Ukraine fall to Russia, I tend to think maybe we should do just that. Never agreed with any of those mentioned on a single thing before, so why start with this? Change my mind.
100%
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I am also in the camp of "Sit this one out." Not a fan of Russia. However, the fact that Soros is rooting for Ukraine tells me that there is some thing good in a Ukrainian victory for Soros. If there is something good for Soros in a Ukrainian victory, then it is probably bad for me.

Given the level of deception, disinformation, and obfuscation in the various media outlets regarding this conflict, I have no clue. I am simply praying that God's will be done...
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Orion2000
I am also in the camp of "Sit this one out." Not a fan of Russia. However, the fact that Soros is rooting for Ukraine tells me that there is some thing good in a Ukrainian victory for Soros. If there is something good for Soros in a Ukrainian victory, then it is probably bad for me.

Given the level of deception, disinformation, and obfuscation in the various media outlets regarding this conflict, I have no clue. I am simply praying that God's will be done...


Folks are buying Russian and Ukrainian Bonds.
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Pres. Trump is ultimately responsible for all of this, let's invade Mar-A-Lago, right?? FREEDOM FROM ORANGE MAN!!!!

/sarc
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
BLM
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Hahaha, so right off the bat, you discount Trumps sockpuppet, just like that.

Tff, like so many believers who discount Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. grin
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Orion2000
I am also in the camp of "Sit this one out." Not a fan of Russia. However, the fact that Soros is rooting for Ukraine tells me that there is some thing good in a Ukrainian victory for Soros. If there is something good for Soros in a Ukrainian victory, then it is probably bad for me.

Given the level of deception, disinformation, and obfuscation in the various media outlets regarding this conflict, I have no clue. I am simply praying that God's will be done...


So, you too used your IQ. What an anomaly when all we have to do is listen to our friends on the MSM.
Posted By: add Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[Linked Image from pyxis.nymag.com]

[Linked Image from ichef.bbci.co.uk]
Posted By: add Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by viking
I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.


You don't need to be a student of that part of the world or it's geography to understand the current conflict.

Simply knowing the players who are aligning themselves with Ukraine, should give you all the education you need.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by add
[Linked Image from pyxis.nymag.com]

[Linked Image from ichef.bbci.co.uk]


Asswhole. Quit giving dumbasses clues.
Posted By: ol_mike Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Waiting for "reports" that Russian troops are bayonetting little babies and despoiling virtuous Ukrainian women....shades of 1914


Like this?
Skip to 1:40 seconds.


Posted By: rainshot Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Zelensky and Biden and NATO. That’s why Russia attacked. They’ve been told what would happen for probably thirty years if they tried to get in NATO. NATO is corrupt. Hell everybody is.
We have problems with corruption in our country that start at the top we have to fix. We don’t have time to play nursemaid to Ukraine.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by viking
I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.


You don't need to be a student of that part of the world or it's geography to understand the current conflict.

Simply knowing the players who are aligning themselves with Ukraine, should give you all the education you need.


Biden tried to get Zelenskyy to bail on his country at the begining of the Russian invasions.

Zelenskyy told him he didn't need a ride, just more ammo.

Biden never supported Zelenskyy with arms or anything until popular opinion demanded support.

Just Sayin.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I
Originally Posted by Santiam
I am going with Reagan..They are evil..


So, you missed the little detail about Reagan destroying the Soviets and the USSR. Ha. So why do you think the DNC and MSM quit worshiping Russia and their present leader.

Let me help you out here, the Coliseum in Rome actually quit feeding Christian's to lions and the Mexicans dont still run Texas and the Apache dont still run New Mexico. whistle
Posted By: add Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Santiam
I am going with Reagan..They are evil..


40 yrs ago.

The geo-political world isn't static, pops.
Posted By: OldHat Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

Ukraine has had bad people in their government. Therefore Putin should enslave all innocent Ukrainians.

That's their argument.
Posted By: OldHat Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
When the US media, George Soros and Nathan Rothschild all agree that “we” must not let Ukraine fall to Russia, I tend to think maybe we should do just that. Never agreed with any of those mentioned on a single thing before, so why start with this? Change my mind.

That is lemming think.
Posted By: rainshot Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
If you haven’t figured out that innocent citizens suffer their government’s sins you might be beyond help.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
For those who cant get a clue, here are some crumbs for you.

1. Who does the MSM support?

2. Who did the MSM support in 2016

3. Who did the MSM support in 2020

4. Who does the MSM support now.

5. Why are we 30 trillion in debt and have Bidet as president?

6. Because of dumb mother fughkers.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
When the US media, George Soros and Nathan Rothschild all agree that “we” must not let Ukraine fall to Russia, I tend to think maybe we should do just that. Never agreed with any of those mentioned on a single thing before, so why start with this? Change my mind.

That is lemming think.


OGW is right.

You, OTOH are a dumbfughk.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

Ukraine has had bad people in their government. Therefore Putin should enslave all innocent Ukrainians.

That's their argument.


You're a liar.
Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I hate Biden and the Democrats, I hate Putin and Russia, I hate the media and I hate Soros. With all that said, we shouldn't put ourselves in a direct confrontation with another nuclear power. That's just fugging stupid. At the same time, if Russia plows through Ukraine they may be emboldened to go further and we end up involved anyway. We shouldn't make an assumption that just because THAT MAY happen, that it WILL happen. Ukraine has shown a willingness to fight their invaders so let them. We can provide some material and humanitarian support and let Russia waste a lot of time, resources and lives in their quagmire.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
When the US media, George Soros and Nathan Rothschild all agree that “we” must not let Ukraine fall to Russia, I tend to think maybe we should do just that. Never agreed with any of those mentioned on a single thing before, so why start with this? Change my mind.

That is lemming think.


Is this an attempt to be funny? wth?
Posted By: szihn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I for one do not DEFEND Russia or Putin, but I can understand that the Dem/Comms in the USA are far more a threat to me, my loved ones and freedom then Russia.
Here is a good overview written by W.A. Root.


It's time for your red pill. Something smells rotten in Ukraine. The story is rotten, rancid, hinky; the story just doesn't add up.

President Joe Biden and the media desperately want you to believe Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine is a little angel. They want you to fall in love with underdog Ukraine. They want you to support America getting involved on behalf of Ukraine.

To get your support, they need the media to sell you a bill of goods. (Same media that lied to you about every top story in the last 50 years, often with the exact same people doing the lying too) But it just doesn't add up. First, Biden is the one who funded Russia's invasion. Biden killed our pipelines, killed coal and banned drilling, which made us dependent on Russian oil -- which made Russia filthy rich and arrogant. Biden paid for this war.

Second, if Russian President Vladimir Putin is the "bad guy," if Russia is evil, why is Biden continuing to buy billions of dollars of oil from Russia every day? Does this make sense?

Unless it's pure "commie theater."

Connect the dots. Biden is a feeble, feckless old puppet with dementia. George Soros pulls Biden's strings. Soros is on the side of Ukraine. Soros recently said the whole world must support Ukraine. It's been reported Soros funded Volodymyr Zelenskyy and then installed him as president of Ukraine -- one of the most corrupt nations on the earth.

Keep in mind, evil billionaire Soros is obsessed with hatred for America. He desperately wants to destroy our country. Soros has funded the invasion of our borders. He helps pay for illegal aliens (many of them criminals, MS-13 gang members and murderers) to enter America.
CARTOONS | AL GOODWYN
VIEW CARTOON

Soros also funded and elected all the horrible, communist district attorneys across America. Soros' DAs are hellbent on destroying America. They have turned our big cities into killing zones where murderers run free without even posting bail while law-abiding citizens are stripped of guns and persecuted for defending themselves.

Soros has paid for the destruction of America. Soros is one of the most evil enemies in our history. If Soros funded the leaders of Ukraine and put them in power, this has to be a trap. Ukraine must be a "bad guy."

Now we come to the mainstream fake news media.

Has the media ever told the truth in the seven years since former President Donald Trump came down that escalator? It's been nonstop lies, fraud and propaganda. The media tells you any lie that advances the cause of Democrats, Soros and the destruction of America.

Now after seven years of lies and propaganda, suddenly you trust the media? You believe this one time they're telling the truth? This one time they have America's best interests at heart? Even though (pure coincidence) Soros is on the same side as the media. They're all one big happy family on the side of Ukraine.

I'll tell what I think.

No. 1: I think this war is a WMD: a weapon of mass distraction to get your mind off the disasters Biden has created at home, including open borders, massive inflation, vaccine mandates crippling the economy, the worst crime wave in history, the worst retreat in U.S. military history from Afghanistan and $6-per-gallon gas.

No. 2: This is pure "wag-the-dog" theater to save Biden from the worst polls in modern history. Instead of hating Biden, they want you to hate Putin.

No. 3: This is all part of Soros and Klaus Schwab's "Great Reset." They want to make us all obedient serfs and slaves. They need World War III as a distraction while they destroy America and capitalism and take your freedoms away.
Recommended
As DOJ Targets Parents, Fmr. Agent Running for Congress Warns FBI is 'Enforcement Arm of Biden's Agenda'
Rebecca Downs

Here's my conclusion. I'm not "for" Russia. I'll never be a fan of Putin. He's out for only himself and a new dominant Russian empire. I'm not telling you to take Russia's side. They are "bad guys."

But I know if Soros is behind Ukraine, then Ukraine is also a "very bad guy." If Soros wants us involved, I know this war is not in America's best interest. I know the media is feeding us a load of lies and propaganda -- under Soros' direction.

Like Trump, I have only one dog in this hunt. I'm ONLY for "America First." This war is nonsense. It doesn't involve us. We should not be sending billions of dollars in aid or sending billions in military weapons to Ukraine. I don't want this to turn into WWIII. I don't want my kids or your kids dying over Ukraine. We need to stay a million miles away from this conflict.

This isn't war, it's commie theater. It's a WMD: weapon of mass distraction. Don't believe a thing you read or see coming from the fake news media.

Take your red pill and just say "NO" to this wag-the-dog moment.

Wayne Allyn Root is known as "the Conservative Warrior." Wayne's new No. 1 bestselling book is out, "The Great Patriot Protest & Boycott Book." Wayne is host of the nationally syndicated "Wayne Allyn Root: Raw & Unfiltered" on USA Radio Network, daily from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. EST and the "WAR RAW" podcast.

COPY AND PASTE or forward to everyone you know.
Posted By: Tarbe Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
I hate Biden and the Democrats, I hate Putin and Russia, I hate the media and I hate Soros. With all that said, we shouldn't put ourselves in a direct confrontation with another nuclear power. That's just fugging stupid. At the same time, if Russia plows through Ukraine they may be emboldened to go further and we end up involved anyway. We shouldn't make an assumption that just because THAT MAY happen, that it WILL happen. Ukraine has shown a willingness to fight their invaders so let them. We can provide some material and humanitarian support and let Russia waste a lot of time, resources and lives in their quagmire.


Posts like this give me hope. The understanding of how the real world has been working is much more clear and we all might not agree we all know a lot of schitty people do a lot of schitty things.

I think all is not lost and good Americans can still bring things good things forward.

Get involved at the local level.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Youse guys forget this world is not static, things change. Why? GOD made, owns and controls it. Some day Obama and Biden will be worthwhile, like fertilizer, instead of Schiett.

Remember what Japan was once upon a time. Things change, so should minds.
Posted By: Tarquin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This



All governments have some corruption, but it is far, far worse in China and Russia. Think Putin and the Russian olys came by their money honestly? They didn't. Ukraine's values are much closer to our core values than Putin's KGB values. Astounding how many Bolsheviks there are on this site. At his core Putin is an authoritarian Bolshie (yes redundant) and half this site is rooting for him. mad
Posted By: akrange Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Corruption…
Why is Billy Bob and Hilarious starting the Funding Mechanism at the Clinton Initiative..
What do they have to Sell that the International Corrupt would want Fund..
Think.. Think..
Could it be a Power Shift in Mordor on the Potomac..
I’m think’n somebody’s leaving in a Box..
Maybe on their Own..
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by szihn
I for one do not DEFEND Russia or Putin, but I can understand that the Dem/Comms in the USA are far more a threat to me, my loved ones and freedom then Russia.
Here is a good overview written by W.A. Root.


It's time for your red pill. Something smells rotten in Ukraine. The story is rotten, rancid, hinky; the story just doesn't add up.

President Joe Biden and the media desperately want you to believe Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine is a little angel. They want you to fall in love with underdog Ukraine. They want you to support America getting involved on behalf of Ukraine.

To get your support, they need the media to sell you a bill of goods. (Same media that lied to you about every top story in the last 50 years, often with the exact same people doing the lying too) But it just doesn't add up. First, Biden is the one who funded Russia's invasion. Biden killed our pipelines, killed coal and banned drilling, which made us dependent on Russian oil -- which made Russia filthy rich and arrogant. Biden paid for this war.

Second, if Russian President Vladimir Putin is the "bad guy," if Russia is evil, why is Biden continuing to buy billions of dollars of oil from Russia every day? Does this make sense?

Unless it's pure "commie theater."

Connect the dots. Biden is a feeble, feckless old puppet with dementia. George Soros pulls Biden's strings. Soros is on the side of Ukraine. Soros recently said the whole world must support Ukraine. It's been reported Soros funded Volodymyr Zelenskyy and then installed him as president of Ukraine -- one of the most corrupt nations on the earth.

Keep in mind, evil billionaire Soros is obsessed with hatred for America. He desperately wants to destroy our country. Soros has funded the invasion of our borders. He helps pay for illegal aliens (many of them criminals, MS-13 gang members and murderers) to enter America.
CARTOONS | AL GOODWYN
VIEW CARTOON

Soros also funded and elected all the horrible, communist district attorneys across America. Soros' DAs are hellbent on destroying America. They have turned our big cities into killing zones where murderers run free without even posting bail while law-abiding citizens are stripped of guns and persecuted for defending themselves.

Soros has paid for the destruction of America. Soros is one of the most evil enemies in our history. If Soros funded the leaders of Ukraine and put them in power, this has to be a trap. Ukraine must be a "bad guy."

Now we come to the mainstream fake news media.

Has the media ever told the truth in the seven years since former President Donald Trump came down that escalator? It's been nonstop lies, fraud and propaganda. The media tells you any lie that advances the cause of Democrats, Soros and the destruction of America.

Now after seven years of lies and propaganda, suddenly you trust the media? You believe this one time they're telling the truth? This one time they have America's best interests at heart? Even though (pure coincidence) Soros is on the same side as the media. They're all one big happy family on the side of Ukraine.

I'll tell what I think.

No. 1: I think this war is a WMD: a weapon of mass distraction to get your mind off the disasters Biden has created at home, including open borders, massive inflation, vaccine mandates crippling the economy, the worst crime wave in history, the worst retreat in U.S. military history from Afghanistan and $6-per-gallon gas.

No. 2: This is pure "wag-the-dog" theater to save Biden from the worst polls in modern history. Instead of hating Biden, they want you to hate Putin.

No. 3: This is all part of Soros and Klaus Schwab's "Great Reset." They want to make us all obedient serfs and slaves. They need World War III as a distraction while they destroy America and capitalism and take your freedoms away.
Recommended
As DOJ Targets Parents, Fmr. Agent Running for Congress Warns FBI is 'Enforcement Arm of Biden's Agenda'
Rebecca Downs

Here's my conclusion. I'm not "for" Russia. I'll never be a fan of Putin. He's out for only himself and a new dominant Russian empire. I'm not telling you to take Russia's side. They are "bad guys."

But I know if Soros is behind Ukraine, then Ukraine is also a "very bad guy." If Soros wants us involved, I know this war is not in America's best interest. I know the media is feeding us a load of lies and propaganda -- under Soros' direction.

Like Trump, I have only one dog in this hunt. I'm ONLY for "America First." This war is nonsense. It doesn't involve us. We should not be sending billions of dollars in aid or sending billions in military weapons to Ukraine. I don't want this to turn into WWIII. I don't want my kids or your kids dying over Ukraine. We need to stay a million miles away from this conflict.

This isn't war, it's commie theater. It's a WMD: weapon of mass distraction. Don't believe a thing you read or see coming from the fake news media.

Take your red pill and just say "NO" to this wag-the-dog moment.

Wayne Allyn Root is known as "the Conservative Warrior." Wayne's new No. 1 bestselling book is out, "The Great Patriot Protest & Boycott Book." Wayne is host of the nationally syndicated "Wayne Allyn Root: Raw & Unfiltered" on USA Radio Network, daily from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. EST and the "WAR RAW" podcast.

COPY AND PASTE or forward to everyone you know.

Spot on. Eloquently states what I was trying to say in my earlier post. If Soros if FOR it, I am AGAINST it..
Posted By: Gun_Geezer Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Other than protecting our politicians’ favorite money funneling place, what would we stand to gain?


In the short term, not much. In the long term we have to stand up to Russia and China aggression wherever it is or we'll find ourselves surrounded and then fighting them in our backyard. Bullies have to be stopped.
Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[Linked Image from media.greatawakening.win]
Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[Linked Image from media.greatawakening.win]
Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[Linked Image from media.greatawakening.win]
Posted By: RJY66 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


I can't really recommend any credible sources re the situation in Ukraine. "Credible" is hard to come by these days on the teevee or the net. Maybe the trick is to take in as many sources as you can and make up your own mind.

However, let me ask you a question. In your own personal life, how many times would you allow someone to lie to you before you believed that person to be a liar? You might let one or two go assuming mistake or exaggeration but much past that the normal person is gonna get tired of it and the person doing the lying is going to lose all credibility in his eyes.

Now how many times has the media lied to you for the sake of an agenda? They lied about Trump being a Russian agent for 5 years most everyday. They have lied in support of the homosexual agenda to the point of pushing gender dysphoria as being normal. They lied about a bandana being able to stop the spread of a microscopic virus. They have covered up the Biden crime family's involvement in Ukraine and Russia. They have misrepresented the whole January 6th thing portraying all involved as "insurrectionists" , while totally covering up ANTIFA's and potentially the FBI's involvement as agent provocateurs . They have represented ANTIFA as "peaceful protestors". Ditto BLM. Top it all off, their friends in big tech muzzle opposing voices. Far as I know, Putin is still on Facebook and Trump is still banned.

That's all I have at the top of my head right now. So this demands the question do we believe the pitch they are selling now about Ukraine? If so why?
Posted By: OldHat Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
For those who cant get a clue, here are some crumbs for you.

1. Who does the MSM support?

2. Who did the MSM support in 2016

3. Who did the MSM support in 2020

4. Who does the MSM support now.

5. Why are we 30 trillion in debt and have Bidet as president?

6. Because of dumb mother fughkers.

Ukraine did not cause our problems. Our government caused our problems.

Posted By: kwg020 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Do you want America/NATO to keep poking the Bear until there's a mushroom cloud outside your front door? Does Ukraine, a really schtty nation, mean that much to you? Yes or no.

I can live without Ukraine and the kickbacks going to the Biden/Clinton criminal cabals, I won't miss one thing about that nation if it is subjugated by Russia.

Not my ball of rice.


There was never a reason to push Ukraine into NATO. It was done by the US and NATO members to push Russia into a corner. But, Vlad Putin wasn't going to be pushed. We see the results.

Here is Pat Buchanon's opinion. If Pat is for it I am 99% of the time on board as well.

kwg

Pat Buchanon's take on the Ukrainian war.

Opinion: Did We Provoke Putin’s War in Ukraine? – Pat Buchanan

When Russia’s Vladimir Putin demanded that the U.S. rule out Ukraine as a future member of the NATO alliance, the U.S. archly replied: NATO has an open-door policy. Any nation, including Ukraine, may apply for membership and be admitted. We’re not changing that.

In the Bucharest declaration of 2008, NATO had put Ukraine and Georgia, ever farther east in the Caucasus, on a path to membership in NATO and coverage under Article 5 of the treaty, which declares that an attack on any one member is an attack on all.

Unable to get a satisfactory answer to his demand, Putin invaded and settled the issue. Neither Ukraine nor Georgia will become members of NATO. To prevent that, Russia will go to war, as Russia did last night.

Putin did exactly what he had warned us he would do.

Whatever the character of the Russian president, now being hotly debated here in the USA, he has established his credibility.

When Putin warns that he will do something, he does it.

Thirty-six hours into this Russia-Ukraine war, potentially the worst in Europe since 1945, two questions need to be answered: How did we get here? And where do we go from here?

How did we get to where Russia — believing its back is against a wall and the United States, by moving NATO ever closer, put it there — reached a point where it chose war with Ukraine rather than accepting the fate and future it believes the West has in store for Mother Russia?

Consider. Between 1989 and 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev let the Berlin Wall be pulled down, Germany be reunited and all the “captive nations” of Eastern Europe go free.

Having collapsed the Soviet empire, Gorbachev allowed the Soviet Union to dissolve itself into 15 independent nations. Communism was allowed to expire as the ruling ideology of Russia, the land where Leninism and Bolshevism first took root in 1917.

Gorbachev called off the Cold War in Europe by removing all of the causes on Moscow’s side of the historic divide.

Putin, a former KGB colonel, came to power in 1999 after the disastrous decade long rule of Boris Yeltsin, who ran Russia into the ground.

In that year, 1999, Putin watched as America conducted a 78-day bombing campaign on Serbia, the Balkan nation that had historically been a protectorate of Mother Russia.

That year, also, three former Warsaw Pact nations, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland, were brought into NATO.

Against whom were these countries to be protected by U.S. arms and the NATO alliance, the question was fairly asked.

The question seemed to be answered fully in 2004, when Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and Bulgaria were admitted into NATO, a grouping that included three former republics of the USSR itself, as well as three more former Warsaw Pact nations.

Then, in 2008, came the Bucharest declaration that put Georgia and Ukraine, both bordering on Russia, on a path to NATO membership.

Georgia, the same year, attacked its seceded province of South Ossetia, where Russian troops were acting as peacekeepers, killing some.

This triggered a Putin counterattack through the Roki Tunnel in North Ossetia that liberated South Ossetia and moved into Georgia all the way to Gori, the birthplace of Stalin. George W. Bush, who had pledged “to end tyranny in our world,” did nothing. After briefly occupying part of Georgia, the Russians departed but stayed as protectors of the South Ossetians.

The U.S. establishment has declared this to have been a Russian war of aggression, but an EU investigation blamed Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for starting the war.

In 2014, a democratically elected pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown in Kyiv and replaced by a pro-Western regime. Rather than lose Sevastopol, Russia’s historic naval base in Crimea, Putin seized the peninsula and declared it Russian territory.

Teddy Roosevelt stole Panama with similar remorse.

Which brings us to today.

Whatever we may think of Putin, he is no Stalin. He has not murdered millions or created a gulag archipelago.

Nor is he “irrational,” as some pundits rail. He does not want a war with us, which would be worse than ruinous to us both.

Putin is a Russian nationalist, patriot, traditionalist and a cold and ruthless realist looking out to preserve Russia as the great and respected power it once was and he believes it can be again.

But it cannot be that if NATO expansion does not stop or if its sister state of Ukraine becomes part of a military alliance whose proudest boast is that it won the Cold War against the nation Putin has served all his life.


President Joe Biden almost hourly promises, “We are not going to war in Ukraine.” Why would he then not readily rule out NATO membership for Ukraine, which would require us to do something Biden himself says we Americans, for our own survival, should never do: go to war with Russia?

COPYRIGHT 2022 CREATORS.COM
Posted By: Slope77 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I have not researched this, but it seems strange to me. Why has the US opposed Nordstream II, but seems fine with the Russians selling natural gas to Europe if it is piped across Ukraine? My understanding is that Ukraine earns some type of a fee if the pipeline across their country is used - rightfully so.

So if the gas is all coming from Russia, why are we so concerned that Ukraine continues to be the middle man?

I am not arguing the risks of Europe relying on Russia as a fuel source (or the potential benefits of trade in improving relations), but question why it must traverse the Ukraine.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I can see how people of good will want to keep the American economic gravy train going. But I can also see how that system has enabled great evil with it's nearly unlimited money. I don't think any other economic system could be as prosperous for one country this side of naked colonialism absolutely raping colonies.
Posted By: Oldelkhunter Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Orion2000
I am also in the camp of "Sit this one out." Not a fan of Russia. However, the fact that Soros is rooting for Ukraine tells me that there is some thing good in a Ukrainian victory for Soros. If there is something good for Soros in a Ukrainian victory, then it is probably bad for me.

Given the level of deception, disinformation, and obfuscation in the various media outlets regarding this conflict, I have no clue. I am simply praying that God's will be done...


Bingo
Posted By: CGPAUL Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
My fear is that we are going to loose one of our guys in that country, the MSM will jump all over it...and then we are going to be in deep sh-t.
Posted By: Old Ornery Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by prplbkrr
We should just sit this one out. The U.S. is not the world's policeman.


Anymore!
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Do you want America/NATO to keep poking the Bear until there's a mushroom cloud outside your front door? Does Ukraine, a really schtty nation, mean that much to you? Yes or no.

I can live without Ukraine and the kickbacks going to the Biden/Clinton criminal cabals, I won't miss one thing about that nation if it is subjugated by Russia.

Not my ball of rice.


There was never a reason to push Ukraine into NATO. It was done by the US and NATO members to push Russia into a corner. But, Vlad Putin wasn't going to be pushed. We see the results.

Here is Pat Buchanon's opinion. If Pat is for it I am 99% of the time on board as well.

kwg

Pat Buchanon's take on the Ukrainian war.

Opinion: Did We Provoke Putin’s War in Ukraine? – Pat Buchanan

When Russia’s Vladimir Putin demanded that the U.S. rule out Ukraine as a future member of the NATO alliance, the U.S. archly replied: NATO has an open-door policy. Any nation, including Ukraine, may apply for membership and be admitted. We’re not changing that.

In the Bucharest declaration of 2008, NATO had put Ukraine and Georgia, ever farther east in the Caucasus, on a path to membership in NATO and coverage under Article 5 of the treaty, which declares that an attack on any one member is an attack on all.

Unable to get a satisfactory answer to his demand, Putin invaded and settled the issue. Neither Ukraine nor Georgia will become members of NATO. To prevent that, Russia will go to war, as Russia did last night.

Putin did exactly what he had warned us he would do.

Whatever the character of the Russian president, now being hotly debated here in the USA, he has established his credibility.

When Putin warns that he will do something, he does it.

Thirty-six hours into this Russia-Ukraine war, potentially the worst in Europe since 1945, two questions need to be answered: How did we get here? And where do we go from here?

How did we get to where Russia — believing its back is against a wall and the United States, by moving NATO ever closer, put it there — reached a point where it chose war with Ukraine rather than accepting the fate and future it believes the West has in store for Mother Russia?

Consider. Between 1989 and 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev let the Berlin Wall be pulled down, Germany be reunited and all the “captive nations” of Eastern Europe go free.

Having collapsed the Soviet empire, Gorbachev allowed the Soviet Union to dissolve itself into 15 independent nations. Communism was allowed to expire as the ruling ideology of Russia, the land where Leninism and Bolshevism first took root in 1917.

Gorbachev called off the Cold War in Europe by removing all of the causes on Moscow’s side of the historic divide.

Putin, a former KGB colonel, came to power in 1999 after the disastrous decade long rule of Boris Yeltsin, who ran Russia into the ground.

In that year, 1999, Putin watched as America conducted a 78-day bombing campaign on Serbia, the Balkan nation that had historically been a protectorate of Mother Russia.

That year, also, three former Warsaw Pact nations, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland, were brought into NATO.

Against whom were these countries to be protected by U.S. arms and the NATO alliance, the question was fairly asked.

The question seemed to be answered fully in 2004, when Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and Bulgaria were admitted into NATO, a grouping that included three former republics of the USSR itself, as well as three more former Warsaw Pact nations.

Then, in 2008, came the Bucharest declaration that put Georgia and Ukraine, both bordering on Russia, on a path to NATO membership.

Georgia, the same year, attacked its seceded province of South Ossetia, where Russian troops were acting as peacekeepers, killing some.

This triggered a Putin counterattack through the Roki Tunnel in North Ossetia that liberated South Ossetia and moved into Georgia all the way to Gori, the birthplace of Stalin. George W. Bush, who had pledged “to end tyranny in our world,” did nothing. After briefly occupying part of Georgia, the Russians departed but stayed as protectors of the South Ossetians.

The U.S. establishment has declared this to have been a Russian war of aggression, but an EU investigation blamed Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for starting the war.

In 2014, a democratically elected pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown in Kyiv and replaced by a pro-Western regime. Rather than lose Sevastopol, Russia’s historic naval base in Crimea, Putin seized the peninsula and declared it Russian territory.

Teddy Roosevelt stole Panama with similar remorse.

Which brings us to today.

Whatever we may think of Putin, he is no Stalin. He has not murdered millions or created a gulag archipelago.

Nor is he “irrational,” as some pundits rail. He does not want a war with us, which would be worse than ruinous to us both.

Putin is a Russian nationalist, patriot, traditionalist and a cold and ruthless realist looking out to preserve Russia as the great and respected power it once was and he believes it can be again.

But it cannot be that if NATO expansion does not stop or if its sister state of Ukraine becomes part of a military alliance whose proudest boast is that it won the Cold War against the nation Putin has served all his life.


President Joe Biden almost hourly promises, “We are not going to war in Ukraine.” Why would he then not readily rule out NATO membership for Ukraine, which would require us to do something Biden himself says we Americans, for our own survival, should never do: go to war with Russia?

COPYRIGHT 2022 CREATORS.COM


Just a case of history repeating itself. Unfortunately, nukes have taken all the fun out of war. There have been SO many similar instances, just too many to mention here. Russians have been paranoid about borders since Ivan The Terrible and beyond. During the Imperial Era, every time one turned around there was a border dispute somewhere and I mean everywhere. NATO in my opinion pretty much outlived it's usefulness after the collapse of the Soviet Union. NATO should have been replaced by that mess called the EU.

Expand it to thirty one nations was stupid. Hell, why not ask the Russians in as a leverage against China? Treaties with Dictators? We've had a bunch and continue to do so and Ukraine was not exactly Switzerland, it was (and is) corrupt as hell. Having said all that, I cannot help it for feel very bad for the Ukrainians and yes I am completely on board with supplying the with weapons.. There is just no way the Russians can take and hold Ukraine, not even close. Sure, they'll take the cities, etc, but it will be a complete mess for them. All they are is a gas station with nukes.

Ukraine is nothing to what is possibly looming over the horizon..
Posted By: bellydeep Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Ok, here is what I have gathered so far:

1) Soros is bad. I agree.

2) MSM lies. I agree

3) The Ukrainian government is corrupt. I don't dispute that, but I'd like to see the proof.

4) Putin is bad. I agree.

5) Biden is.....well, bad, inept, corrupt, and whatever else. I agree.

6) American blood should not be shed over this war. I agree. But that was not the question I asked. I am wondering why 'fire members are not only refusing to support Ukraine, but going to the trouble of defending Russia's invasion.

7) Putin's actions are justifiable from the Russian perspective. I disagree. Putin knows the West is soft and does not want WWIII. Putin also knows that Article 5 only applies to if a member is attacked. So having Ukraine join NATO would not result in NATO attacking Russia if Ukraine (or any other NATO member) attacked first. The only way NATO would attack Russia is if Russia attacked first. So why doesn't Putin want any other countries joining NATO? Well, it seems like it is because he wants to invade and conquer them.




Still waiting for someone to connect the dots between #1-3. Just giving your opinion on here is not "connecting the dots" for me. I'd like to see the actual evidence.

I still have a hard time swallowing how a Russian victory is a good thing here. Last I checked, Putin was pretty tight with China.
Posted By: bellydeep Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
BLM
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


Hahaha, so right off the bat, you discount Trumps sockpuppet, just like that.

Tff, like so many believers who discount Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. grin



Yeah, I do discount Q. Sorry, but Q was not correct about a LOT of things. Never mind the other reasons, which I know will be immediately discounted by Q's disciples.
Posted By: Raeford Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
"3) The Ukrainian government is corrupt. I don't dispute that, but I'd like to see the proof."

Check HB's and his fathers & uncles bank accounts for this one.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Ok, here is what I have gathered so far:

1) Soros is bad. I agree.

2) MSM lies. I agree

3) The Ukrainian government is corrupt. I don't dispute that, but I'd like to see the proof.

4) Putin is bad. I agree.

5) Biden is.....well, bad, inept, corrupt, and whatever else. I agree.

6) American blood should not be shed over this war. I agree. But that was not the question I asked. I am wondering why 'fire members are not only refusing to support Ukraine, but going to the trouble of defending Russia's invasion.

7) Putin's actions are justifiable from the Russian perspective. I disagree. Putin knows the West is soft and does not want WWIII. Putin also knows that Article 5 only applies to if a member is attacked. So having Ukraine join NATO would not result in NATO attacking Russia if Ukraine (or any other NATO member) attacked first. The only way NATO would attack Russia is if Russia attacked first. So why doesn't Putin want any other countries joining NATO? Well, it seems like it is because he wants to invade and conquer them.




Still waiting for someone to connect the dots between #1-3. Just giving your opinion on here is not "connecting the dots" for me. I'd like to see the actual evidence.

I still have a hard time swallowing how a Russian victory is a good thing here. Last I checked, Putin was pretty tight with China.


Burisma
Posted By: Brazos Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/ukraines-deadly-gamble

Not necessarily a reason to support Russia, but a thought provoking read.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
So Biden never gave Ukraine and Zelenskiy aid?

So what's been going on in the Ukraine, Donbass region since 2014? And how many billions in aid money was given to Ukraine and what happened to that aid money? Who was VP of the US when we sent all that aid to the Ukraine? Wasn't Biden supposed to ensure that money sent to Ukraine be used to help the citizens?

Why is Ukraine such an impoverished country now compared to other former soviet republics? Why is there a Neo NAZi (AZOV) brigade active and operating freely in Ukraine and supported by Zelenskiy? Did Zelenskiy allow the AZOV brigade to operate freely and target civilians in the Donbass region in violation of the Minsk accords? Did NATO step in help? Who bank rolled Zelenskiy's elections? Where are these patriotic billionaires and their friends and families who bank rolled Zelenskiy now? Are they fighting for their country? Last I read they fled and are all vacationing Switzerland in their villas. Why is there a warrant of arrest for Zelenskiy's puppet master ?

https://worldview.stratfor.com/situ...y-and-oligarch-kolomoisky-pandora-papers

Why did Zelensky violate the Minsk accords?

How much US aid money did this hero Zelenskiy steal? He's reportedly a billionaire now. Great hero he is

Just a few simple questions.


Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by viking
I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.


You don't need to be a student of that part of the world or it's geography to understand the current conflict.

Simply knowing the players who are aligning themselves with Ukraine, should give you all the education you need.


Biden tried to get Zelenskyy to bail on his country at the begining of the Russian invasions.

Zelenskyy told him he didn't need a ride, just more ammo.

Biden never supported Zelenskyy with arms or anything until popular opinion demanded support.

Just Sayin.

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by viking
I ain’t a fan of Soros, Zero, killary or bill, the bidens either or any scum dwelling libtards.


You don't need to be a student of that part of the world or it's geography to understand the current conflict.

Simply knowing the players who are aligning themselves with Ukraine, should give you all the education you need.


Biden tried to get Zelenskyy to bail on his country at the begining of the Russian invasions.

Zelenskyy told him he didn't need a ride, just more ammo.

Biden never supported Zelenskyy with arms or anything until popular opinion demanded support.

Just Sayin.

Posted By: irfubar Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I suspect a lot of people view the new improved Putin as more of a libertarian nationalist.

And they view the new and unimproved West as being co-opted by Bolsheviks....

180 deg. from the old narrative
Posted By: Jim1611 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

You limit our choices as to which side to choose. Russia or the Ukraine. I'd like to add one. The United States. This is being played out just like our choices for political candidates, in this hand is a rattlesnake and in this hand is a copperhead. These are your only choices. Time to change that.
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by irfubar
I suspect a lot of people view the new improved Putin as more of a libertarian nationalist.

And they view the new and unimproved West as being co-opted by Bolsheviks....

180 deg. from the old narrative



Bottom line is we sent billions to Ukraine and they squandered it and now are asking for more.

Squander is putting it very mildly.

Fück Ukraine. Sorry not sorry. Sow/reap
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
https://worldview.stratfor.com/situ...y-and-oligarch-kolomoisky-pandora-papers





Zelensky's Ukraine, Where The Pandora Papers Hit Hardest
The global probe of offshore accounts around the world strike at the heart of Kiev's current government and power structure of a ruling class that rose to power on the promise of fighting corruption, including the television-star-turned-President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Photo of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a crowd
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, targeted by the Pandora Papers leak.

S
KIEV — Nowhere could the the revelations from the Pandora Papers investigation hit harder than in Ukraine. The discovery of offshore accounts strike at the heart of the current government and power structure of a ruling class that rose to power on the promise of fighting corruption, including the television-star-turned-President Volodymyr Zelensky.

The worldwide probe, prompted by a massive leak to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), has included work by journalists from the Ukrainian media Slidstvо.Info, which connected the shady financial dealings of Zelensky's television production company Studio Kvartal 95 to the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. Slidstvo found that the laundered money passed through the Cyprus branch of Kolomoisky-owned Privatbank, according to law enforcement officers.

More than 600 journalists from all over the world worked on the Pandora Papers project for the past year. Among the millions of documents of offshore registrars are the names of some of the most powerful figures in Ukraine. Ivan Bakanov, the head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Serhii Shafir, the chief aide to the president, and the President Zelensky himself are all there.



Igor Kolomoisky, the billionaire behind the President
But, first let's rewind the tape: For this is a story about the actor and head of Studio Kvartal 95, who played the president in the series and won in real life. Volodymyr Zelensky's successful show business career was created in Ukraine through a hidden financial network of offshore companies.

Nine years ago, the popular Kvartal 95 goes to TV channel 1+1. Their shows and programs are hits on the channel owned by Igor Kolomoisky, who will later support Zelensky and the team not only as entertainers but also as politicians. Today, Kolomoisky is a person of interest in investigations in Ukraine, Britain, and the United States.

Nobody wants to talk about the secret network of offshore companies.
According to the Pandora Papers, millions from Kolomoisky went not only to the accounts of Ukrainian companies close to Zelensky and his associates. The money also went where there was warm weather and lower taxes. That year, when Kvartal began to cooperate with the oligarch, key people of the company registered several companies on distant islands. The network was assisted by the offshore registrar Fidelity and Ukrainian lawyer Yurii Azarov, whose signature is on all key documents.



Photo of \u200bUkrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky speaking at a news conference in Kiev, Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at a news conference in Kiev, Ukraine


Irina Yakovleva/ TASS/ ZUMA



Maltex Multicapital is revealed
At the heart of the network is the previously unknown company Maltex Multicapital, reveals Slidstvo. It is equally divided between the companies of Volodymyr Zelensky, brothers Serhii and Borys Shefirs and Andrii Yakovlev. The trust declaration was signed by the current head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov. His company was the nominal owner of Maltex. The names of the real owners were safely hidden in the vault.

If we take a closer look at how the Kvartal business is structured, we will see that the products are created and shown mainly in Ukraine. At the same time, transactions are made through foreign companies. Accordingly, taxes on these transactions do not go to the Ukrainian budget.

A little later, the co-owner of Kvartal 95, Serhii Shafir, stated that Zelensky had left the business. On March 13, 2019, amid the presidential race, a lawyer working for the firms of Zelensky and his partners, Yurii Azarov, signed the document. It is a transfer of shares to Maltex, which is equally divided between the offshore leaders of Kvartal 95. The firm of Serhii Shafir, the future chief aide to the president, received a quarter of Maltex's ownership free of charge from Zelensky's firm in Belize. The day after the inauguration, Zelensky appointed Serhii Shafir as chief aide to the president of Ukraine.

What destiny awaits Zelensky? And Kolomoisky?
On April 25, 2019, a few weeks after the transfer of Zelenskyy's share to Serhii Shafir, the same lawyer Yurii Azarov signed another document stating that Maltex intends to pay dividends to Zelensky's offshore. Surprisingly, his offshore company no longer owned a stake in this firm.

Cases involving high-ranking civil servants are being investigated by the National Anti-Corruption Bureau. NABU detectives are also investigating crimes related to money laundering. The investigation believes that the former owners, in particular Igor Kolomoisky and Hennadii Boholyubov, could have caused billions in losses to the state. But the Security Service of Ukraine was unable to calculate the amount of damage and the case got stuck. The current General Prosecutor refused to answer journalists' questions about the Privatbank case.



Risk of U.S. jail time
What destiny awaits Zelensky? And Kolomoisky? For the latter, this week Kolomoiskyi in the United States, where his fate risks being the same as former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko: to wind up in an American prison.

For Zelensky, nobody wants to talk about the secret network of offshore companies. Only Borys Shafir, the co-founder of Kvartal 95, responded to a few of our questions. He, unlike his partners, did not go into politics, and now is the owner of a significant part of the offshore business of Kvartal.

"Bakanov was our financial director, he arranged the financial schemes of our company. And honestly, I'm not ready to answer you now," said Borys Shafir. "Maybe I'm the owner."



Originally Posted by bellydeep
Ok, here is what I have gathered so far:

1) Soros is bad. I agree.

2) MSM lies. I agree

3) The Ukrainian government is corrupt. I don't dispute that, but I'd like to see the proof.

4) Putin is bad. I agree.

5) Biden is.....well, bad, inept, corrupt, and whatever else. I agree.

6) American blood should not be shed over this war. I agree. But that was not the question I asked. I am wondering why 'fire members are not only refusing to support Ukraine, but going to the trouble of defending Russia's invasion.

7) Putin's actions are justifiable from the Russian perspective. I disagree. Putin knows the West is soft and does not want WWIII. Putin also knows that Article 5 only applies to if a member is attacked. So having Ukraine join NATO would not result in NATO attacking Russia if Ukraine (or any other NATO member) attacked first. The only way NATO would attack Russia is if Russia attacked first. So why doesn't Putin want any other countries joining NATO? Well, it seems like it is because he wants to invade and conquer them.




Still waiting for someone to connect the dots between #1-3. Just giving your opinion on here is not "connecting the dots" for me. I'd like to see the actual evidence.

I still have a hard time swallowing how a Russian victory is a good thing here. Last I checked, Putin was pretty tight with China.

Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/unit...ceeds-alleged-fraud-and-theft-privatbank
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Zelenskiy sure profited off of all of his best friend's scams



Months after Ukraine oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky and his partners abandoned an Ohio steel plant and left scores of workers without jobs, financial crime experts at Deutsche Bank shot up a troubling alert.

Millions of dollars were flowing into its U.S. headquarters for a business owned by the oligarch, but something wasn’t right.

Detecting signs of suspicious money — large round numbers from high-risk jurisdictions — the bank could have refused the transfers or even dropped the client.

But it didn’t do either.


The site of a fire at the former Warren Steel facility that occurred on Aug. 11, 2021, photographed on Sept. 28, 2021, in Warren, Ohio. The factory was opened in 1939 and was shut down in 2016.
Michael Sallah
‘High and dry’: Oligarch’s Ohio factory goes up in smoke
Despite warnings from its own workers, Deutsche allowed the money to keep pouring into its coffers six years ago while the oligarch and his partners secretly amassed a steel fortune in the United States.


Ihor Kolomoisky, left, in a 2014 file photo at his office in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine.
(Mauricio Lima/The New York Times)

The Justice Department has been investigating Mr. Kolomoisky and others in what prosecutors allege was a vast scheme to steal millions of dollars from Ukraine’s largest bank and move the money into the U.S. to buy steel mills and skyscrapers.

But recently unsealed federal court records show U.S. banks moved far more money than what was reported by the U.S. government — billions of dollars — for companies under the control of the power broker in patterns that went unchecked for nearly a decade.

Between 2006 and 2015, more than $4.45 billion was transferred without any apparent effort by the banks or the government to stem the movement of dollars as the oligarch and his partners acquired an enormous real estate portfolio.

“These are cascading failures,” said Tom Cardamone, president and CEO of Global Financial Integrity, a Washington, D.C., research group that tracks money laundering.

“It’s an astonishing amount of money. You would think that anyone just doing a spot check, someone would have picked up on the tempo of the transactions, the big round numbers.”

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has spent more than a year examining thousands of records — including internal bank documents and previously sealed court records — and conducted dozens of interviews that culminated in several stories about federal prosecutors’ first-ever laundering investigation of the U.S. steel industry.


Downtown Cleveland photographed on Monday, Dec. 20, 2021, in Cleveland.
Michael Sallah and Ashley Murray
PG SPECIAL REPORT | With shadowy money, Ukraine oligarch became Cleveland’s biggest landlord
But the new records released last month from federal court in New York provide an unprecedented look into the amount of money tied to the oligarch that was moving through the country — including thousands of transactions carried out by Deutsche, Germany’s largest bank with a sizable U.S. arm.



In the government’s battle against money laundering, banks are supposed to be the front line of defense by alerting the government when it spots suspicious patterns and, in some cases, refusing the transactions, says the U.S. Justice Department.

But records show that year after year, the transfers continued while prosecutors say Mr. Kolomoisky orchestrated a scheme that nearly bankrupted Ukraine’s largest financial institution and sent the nation’s economy into a recession.

Left trail of disaster

One of the richest men in Ukraine, the 59-year-old oligarch is accused of setting up shell companies, cleaning the money through U.S. properties and ultimately leaving a trail of boarded-up buildings, failed steel facilities, and millions in unpaid property taxes, court records show.

While money was transferred into the country for one of the oligarch’s companies, his operators shut down Warren Steel in Ohio in 2016, owing millions in property taxes, utility bills and supplies.

For weeks, workers were left without medical coverage because the insurance premium wasn’t paid, records and interviews show. “A lot of people left here very angry,” said Nancy Waselich, a former IT manager for the factory. “People bled for this place.”

Though no one so far has been criminally charged, prosecutors have filed legal actions to seize properties that they allege were bought with money stolen from the Ukraine bank, where Mr. Kolomoisky was a major shareholder.

The oligarch lost control of the institution in late 2016, when it was nationalized by the government, which suspected massive fraud.


Warren Steel in Ohio was shut down in 2016, with millions in unpaid property taxes, utility bills and supplies.
(Andrew Rush/Post-Gazette)

Mr. Kolomoisky, who was banned last year from entering the United States by the State Department over corrupt practices, has not responded to repeated interview requests. His lawyer, Michael J. Sullivan, did not return phone messages.

Lawyers for two of Mr. Kolomoisky’s partners in the U.S. who are accused in the government forfeiture cases of taking part in the scheme say there is no evidence to show they did anything wrong.

Mordechai “Motti” Korf and Uriel Laber, who live in South Florida, are “legitimate investors,” said New York attorney Mark Ressler. Neither has been “engaged in money laundering of any kind, and they have no knowledge of anyone else doing so,” he said. “Any allegations against Mr. Korf and Mr. Laber arise from Ukrainian political disputes they have nothing to do with.”

Lawyers for the two men dispute the U.S. government’s claims the money was stolen from the Ukraine bank, saying it came from loans that were legitimate and have been upheld by the Ukraine courts in multiple decisions.

Several Ukraine legal experts interviewed by the Post-Gazette say, however, that those court decisions were reached during a campaign by the oligarch to file hundreds of cases in search of favorable courts and to withdraw from other courts to avoid losing.

Last year, the Ukrainian government took action when the parliament — at the prodding of the International Monetary Fund — enacted what’s known as the “anti-Kolomoisky law” that bans him from ever gaining control over his former bank again.


For weeks, workers for Warren Steel were left without medical coverage because the insurance premium wasn’t paid, records and interviews show. “A lot of people left here very angry,” said Nancy Waselich, a former IT manager for the factory. “People bled for this place.”
(Andrew Rush/Post-Gazette)

‘You pull the plug’

It’s unclear from the new records the total amount of money that moved through the United States, because Mr. Kolomoisky and others shifted funds back and forth between their companies in a dizzying series of transactions.

But the sheer number of transfers — 5,222 in eight years — between companies tied to the oligarch should have prompted Deutsche and other banks to end the transactions, said Paul Pelletier, a former senior federal prosecutor who led the Justice Department’s fraud unit.

“You pull the plug,” said Mr. Pelletier, who once prosecuted money laundering cases in Miami. “The purpose of due diligence is to do red light, green light — but there was no red light. There were apparently no cops on the beat.”

The court records, which were released after the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press pushed for them, show the money coursing through the banks as the oligarch and his associates were secretly taking ownership of steel mills and office towers, 22 properties in all.

It’s also unclear from the records the purpose of the transactions and whether some of the money was generated from the steel mills when they were operating or from the oligarch’s global metals operations.

But prosecutors have identified at least nine of the companies that they claim were used to launder hundreds of millions of dollars, court records show.



Deutsche Bank, which has long maintained a U.S. headquarters in New York, declined to answer questions from the Post-Gazette, saying in an email the bank is not legally allowed to talk about its customers and internal security decisions.

In 2020, the bank acknowledged “past weaknesses” and that it “learnt from its mistakes” and has invested millions to strengthen its internal systems to detect laundering and other crimes. “We are a different bank now,” it said.

It was during an explosive court battle six years ago between the oligarch and a former business partner that the layers of Mr. Kolomoisky’s operation were stripped back and showed the massive amounts of money pouring into the U.S.

Open critical records

Through an investigation, the ex-partner’s lawyers discovered money transfers for hundreds of millions of dollars cascading into the country for companies related to Mr. Kolomoisky — 3,103 transactions by Deutsche alone, court records show.

Deutsche and other banks, along with lawyers for Mr. Kolomoisky, pushed to seal the information, saying it exposed confidential information about the banks’ customers.

Not until an effort by the Reporter’s Committee for Freedom of the Press and BuzzFeed News to press for data in federal court in the Southern District of New York in 2020 did the judge agree last month to unseal records of the transfer summaries.

Year after year, the money was coming into the country through Deutsche and other banks, with the oligarch the largest recipient of the transactions, totaling $1.25 billion, followed by his fellow Ukrainian billionaire, Gennadiy Bogolyubov — about $900 million — a partner in the U.S. real estate deals.


“The purpose of due diligence is to do red light, green light — but there was no red light. There were apparently no cops on the beat.”
— Paul Pelletier, former senior federal prosecutor
The records also show $174.5 million moved through Optima Ventures, a company that prosecutors say was used to launder money and buy properties, including an office park in Dallas that was once the headquarters of Mary Kay Cosmetics.

Another $96.3 million moved through Optima Acquisitions, a company that prosecutors say was used to clean money and buy steel mills.

Former employees who worked at the Ohio steel factory say they’re surprised at the amount of money flowing into the U.S. because of the difficulties they faced in getting basic parts and bills paid on time.

Just after the shutdown of the factory in 2016, money was owed to the gas and electric companies and the federal government for a fine that had been imposed for workplace safety violations.

“We have not paid for our copy machines which are about to be repossessed. We have not paid for our phones, which are our only mode of communication with the plant,” factory general manager John Scheel wrote in an email to company executives. “We have not paid for the liability insurance for Warren Steel Holdings. We have not paid the quarterly installment for our OSHA fine that we negotiated.”


This secret Deutsche Bank suspicious activity report (SAR) was filed in 2016 after the bank's fraud experts found suspicious money flowing into the institution for an aviation company owned by Ukraine oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky. The US bank office detected red flags: large, round numbers from high-risk jurisdictions and millions of dollars transferred between companies with no obvious commercial relationships. These documents, which are kept from public view, were sent to the US Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) — among three such reports sent that year about the company — but the bank moved the money anyway.

Red flags

After years of transferring money into the country for the oligarch, Deutsche Bank filed at least three suspicious activity reports in 2016, finding patterns that raised alerts about incoming funds for one of his aviation companies.

The bank noted in one of the reports that Mr. Kolomoisky was a former Ukraine provincial governor who was suspected of widespread fraud in his country — charges he has denied. The bank’s fraud experts also questioned the legitimacy of millions in payments between companies with no known purpose for the transactions.

The reports, shared with the Post-Gazette by BuzzFeed News, show the bank started to cut its ties with the company, but not before it moved about $215 million that year. Mr. Cardamone of Global
Financial Integrity said the move came too late. “That’s bolting the door behind the horse,” he said.

While the U.S. government’s case against the oligarch and his partners has gained wide publicity, the role of Deutsche in moving the money remains one of the least known elements of the entire operation, said experts interviewed by the Post-Gazette.


The U.S. headquarters of Deutsche Bank in New York in a 2019 file.
(Jeenah Moon/The New York Times)

As a correspondent bank taking in money from overseas, Deutsche was a gateway.

“They could not have used the U.S. banking system [without Deutsche],” said Thomas Nollner, a former regulator for the Comptroller of the Currency. “The bank should have done its due diligence.”

Mr. Kolomoisky was a lightning rod of controversy in Ukraine at the time, especially after he dispatched his own armed militia into a government oil company in 2015 during a dispute.

“He’s high risk. He’s a politically exposed person. This should not have gotten by someone’s scrutiny,” Mr. Nollner said.

Tim Ryan, a Democratic U.S. House member whose district includes the shuttered Ohio steel factory, said in an interview last year that any analysis of the case and the damage that it caused needs to include the pivotal role of the bank.

“Especially in this case, we need to see if they met their responsibilities. … We need to know if they did — or they didn’t,” he said.

A spokesperson for U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, said that Deutsche Bank has had a long history of regulatory violations but declined to discuss any potential inquiries by Congress.


Committee Chair Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, speaks during a Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee hearing on Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2022, in Washington.
(Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post via AP)

Mr. Pelletier, the former Justice Department fraud unit chief, said the movement of money in such large amounts raises questions about why warnings were not issued sooner.

“It’s low-hanging fruit. It’s a lot of money,” he said. “Shouldn’t we have a system that reacts quicker to that kind of money?”

He said because Mr. Kolomoisky is considered a politically exposed person and the money was arriving from offshore, it required the bank to perform an even higher level of due diligence.

“The burden is to show that the money is [suspicious],” he said. “What did it show? It doesn’t look like anyone was doing heightened due diligence.”

He said what also distinguishes the case from other laundering investigations is that the money didn’t go to the familiar havens of Miami and New York. It went to steel factories in small towns.

“It harmed real hard-working Americans in Middle America,” he said.

Washington D.C. Bureau Chief Ashley Murray contributed, and Ukraine investigative reporter Tanya Kozyreva reported from Kyiv. Michael Sallah: [email protected]; Twitter: @mikesallah7.
Posted By: viking Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I could fill ten pages of all of the fraud and theft under Zelenskiy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4-7dd3-11eb-b0fc-83144c02d676_story.html
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
No wonder Zelenskiy needed a war. From thief reinvented as a hero






https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy




Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
This article is more than 4 months old
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Illustration: Guardian Design
Luke Harding, Elena Loginova and Aubrey Belford
Sun 3 Oct 2021 12.30 EDT

It was a storyline that in earlier times would have seemed impossible. For four years, the actor and comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy entertained TV audiences in Ukraine with his starring role in the sitcom Servant of the People. Zelenskiy played a teacher who, outraged by his country’s chronic corruption, successfully runs for president. In 2019, Zelenskiy made fiction real when he contested Ukraine’s actual presidential election and won.

On the campaign trail, Zelenskiy pledged to clean up Ukraine’s oligarch-dominated ruling system. And he railed against politicians such as the wealthy incumbent Petro Poroshenko who hid their assets offshore. The message worked. Zelenskiy won 73% of the vote and now sits in a cavernous office in the capital, Kyiv, decorated with gilded stucco ceilings. Last month, he held talks with Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

Quick Guide
What are the Pandora papers?
Show
Zelenskiy has not commented on the claim despite extensive attempts by the Guardian and its media partners to reach him. His spokesperson Sergiy Nikiforov messaged: “Won’t be an answer.”

The files reveal Zelenskiy participated in a sprawling network of offshore companies, co-owned with his longtime friends and TV business partners. They include Serhiy Shefir, who produced Zelensky’s hit shows, and Shefir’s older brother, Borys, who wrote the scripts. Another member of the consortium is Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend. Bakanov was general director of Zelenskiy’s production studio, Kvartal 95.

Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president.
Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president. Photograph: Kvartal 95
Advertisement
All are associated with Zelenskiy’s home town in southern Ukraine, Kryvyi Rih. After winning power, Zelenskiy brought these close allies into government. Bakanov became head of Ukraine’s SBU security agency. Zelenskiy made Serhiy Shefir his first assistant, an unpaid role that involves handling the president’s daily schedule. A fourth member of this close-knit group, Andriy Yakovlev, is a film director and Kvartal 95 producer.

Zelenskiy has said these appointments were about personal trust rather than financial cronyism. “I have a few people who work with me who have been my friends for a long time … They have no relation to business, or to the budget,” he told the Guardian in 2020.

A secret transfer
Before becoming president, Zelenskiy declared some of his private assets. They included cars, property and three of the co-owned offshore companies. One, Film Heritage, which he held jointly with his wife, Olena, a former Kvartal 95 writer, is registered in Belize.

But the Pandora papers show further offshore assets that Zelenskiy appears not to have revealed. Film Heritage had a 25% stake in Davegra, a Cyprus holding company. Davegra in turn owns Maltex Multicapital Corp, a previously unknown entity registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Zelenskiy, the Shefir brothers, and Yakovlev each held a 25% stake in Maltex.

On 13 March 2019, two weeks before the first round of voting in Ukraine’s election, Zelenskiy gave his quarter stake in Maltex to Serhiy Shefir, documents show. It is unclear if Shefir paid Zelenskiy. Bakanov witnessed this secret transfer and signed the offshore papers.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019.
Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019. Photograph: Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters/[bleep]
Roughly six weeks later, after Zelenskiy’s landslide victory, a lawyer acting for the Kvartal 95 group signed another document. It stipulated that Maltex would continue to pay dividends to Zelenskiy’s Film Heritage, even though it no longer owned any stake in the company. Its main revenue comes from activity in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, according to a Maltex client profile.

Advertisement
Trump: US should put Chinese flags on F-22 jets and ‘bomb [bleep] out of’ Russia
The Pandora papers do not indicate whether any dividends were ever paid or their size. Nor do they reveal how many payments might have been made. Zelenskiy’s wife, Olena, is now the declared beneficial owner of Film Heritage, meaning any payments since 2019 would have flowed to her.

The key document – dated 24 April 2019 – says Maltex holds shares in companies that produce and distribute TV films. One reason for setting up Maltex was “tax-efficient accumulation of business profits”; another, it states, was “legal protection”. Borys Sheifir said Bakanov had mostly set up these offshore “financial schemes” in order to protect the company from “authorities and bandits”.

“Speaking honestly, I’m not ready to respond to you. It could be that I’m an owner [of Maltex],” Shefir told the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), one of the Pandora papers’ media partners. He said he was trying to divest himself of his offshore interests, but said this was a slow and difficult process. Serhiy Shefir, Bakanov and Yakovlev declined to comment, as did their lawyer.


Advertisement

The Maltex revelation is embarrassing for Zelenskiy given his pledge to crack down on those sending wealth overseas. Last month, Ukraine’s parliament passed an anti-oligarch bill. The vote took place a day after unknown assassins tried to kill Shefir. A gunman had opened fire on his car outside Kyiv. He was unharmed, but his driver was wounded. The attempt may have been motivated by opposition to the bill.

In a recent opinion piece for the Atlantic Council, Zelenskiy said his ultimate goal as president was to destroy “the traditional oligarchic order” and to replace it with a “fairer system”. Critics, however, say Zelenskiy has failed to reform the state and embraced the same shadowy ways as his predecessors. EU auditors warned last month that “grand corruption and state capture” remained widespread in Ukraine.

Since entering politics Zelenskiy has been dogged by claims he is under the influence of Igor Kolomoisky, a billionaire whose TV channel screened Zelenskiy’s show. During the campaign Zelenskiy’s opponents alleged $41m from Kolomoisky entities found its way between 2012 and 2016 into offshore firms belonging to Zelenskiy and his circle, including Film Heritage.

Russian connection
The Pandora papers show that at least some of the details in the scheme alleged by Poroshenko’s party correspond to reality. They show that part of the Kvartal 95 network was managed with help from Fidelity Corporate Services, an offshore consultancy and one of 14 firms whose documents make up the leak. The files show that Zelenskiy and his business partners used companies based in the BVI, Belize and Cyprus.

The assets held via these offshore companies are wide-ranging. They include real estate in London. Shefir owns two top-end properties – a three-bedroom apartment in an Edwardian mansion block in Regent’s Park bought in 2016 for £1.575m, and another three-bedroom flat in nearby Baker Street, opposite the Sherlock Holmes Museum, and purchased for £2.2m, according to Land Registry records.

Meanwhile, Yakovlev’s BVI company Candlewood Investments owns a luxury flat in a Victorian mansion block in Artillery Row, Westminster. The properties were acquired around the time Zelenskiy’s show was turned into a feature film and recommissioned for a second series. It is unclear if the three flats are let out or used on an occasional basis. A Russian company that bills itself as an “individual service for high status clients” manages them.

Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Poroshenko faced criticism for owning a chocolate factory in Russia at a time when Ukraine was fighting a war against Russian troops and their proxies following the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. The conflict, in which 14,000 people have died, continues in the east of the country and in the Moscow-backed rebel territories of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia was previously a major market for Kvartal 95, with Russian TV screening its comedy shows.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world. A million people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place. An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates and civilian casualties rise.


It’s our job at the Guardian to decipher a rapidly changing landscape, particularly when it involves a mounting refugee crisis and the risk of unthinkable escalation. Our correspondents are on the ground on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border and throughout the globe, delivering round-the-clock reporting and analysis during this perilous moment.


We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.


Tens of millions have placed their trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing 200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. We’d like to invite you to join more than 1.5 million supporters, from 180 countries, who now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and fiercely independent.


Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting like this is vital to establish the facts, who is lying and who is telling the truth.


And we provide all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this because we believe in information equality. Greater numbers of people can keep track of the global events shaping our world, understand their impact on people and communities, and become inspired to take meaningful action. Millions can benefit from open access to quality, truthful news, regardless of their ability to pay for it.


If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution, however big or small, powers our journalism and sustains our future. Support the Guardian from as little as $1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you.




Posted By: hosfly Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
[Linked Image from u.smutty.horse]
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by viking
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.


Is that the same Foxnews that has Lindsey Graham on at least once a week?
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by viking
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.


Is that the same Foxnews that has Lindsey Graham on at least once a week?

BINGO!

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdAtCkxW/
Posted By: rost495 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

Because Soros asks for help for Ukraine. Thats more than enough for me.
Posted By: viking Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by viking
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.


Is that the same Foxnews that has Lindsey Graham on at least once a week?



Probably. I wonder how many covtards from the fire are in those ranks?😂
Posted By: burrinho Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This



All governments have some corruption, but it is far, far worse in China and Russia. Think Putin and the Russian olys came by their money honestly? They didn't. Ukraine's values are much closer to our core values than Putin's KGB values. Astounding how many Bolsheviks there are on this site. At his core Putin is an authoritarian Bolshie (yes redundant) and half this site is rooting for him. mad


Thanks for some a bit of sanity.

I did some extensive travel/work across Eastern Europe in the early nineties. One thought sticks out was about the corrosive nationalism that was in Serbia, and the wars it led to. And how many of the other countries started to develop some of the same political/social atmosphere, especially Russia.

Unfortunately some that same corrosive ideology is what Former President Trump tapped into.

I’m for the people of Ukraine, and their fight for their freedom.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by burrinho
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This



All governments have some corruption, but it is far, far worse in China and Russia. Think Putin and the Russian olys came by their money honestly? They didn't. Ukraine's values are much closer to our core values than Putin's KGB values. Astounding how many Bolsheviks there are on this site. At his core Putin is an authoritarian Bolshie (yes redundant) and half this site is rooting for him. mad


Thanks for some a bit of sanity.

I did some extensive travel/work across Eastern Europe in the early nineties. One thought sticks out was about the corrosive nationalism that was in Serbia, and the wars it led to. And how many of the other countries started to develop some of the same political/social atmosphere, especially Russia.

Unfortunately some that same corrosive ideology is what Former President Trump tapped into.

I’m for the people of Ukraine, and their fight for their freedom.


Go help them!
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I say sit this one out. Let Ukraine and Europe take care of their own backyard. China would love to see us get bogged down in another war and drain our resources. Russia will pay dearly for this incursion militarily, economically, politically. There will be unrest in their homeland as a result. Putin will not be a hero to his own people and may be booted out if it gets bad enough.

In the meantime, we should be doing a nationwide reboot to make all of our needs here. That includes energy production, meds, clothing transformers... everything. We need to become independent of foreign goods, maintain a ready and able military and get rid of any Chinese dependency or influence. Ban any sale of our technologies and punish anyone who does so.
Posted By: rte Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

"Amicus meus, inimicus inimici mei"
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
How about we defend our border and forget about Ukraine?
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I think China sees Putin's desire to remake the USSR as a fool's mission that helps China by weakening Russia, Europe and any other country that gets sucked in. China is only too eager to help Russia now but will stab them in the back if they fail or are weakened significantly. China is happy to see ALL adversaries beat each other up making them the strongest in the end. The long game.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Diesel
I think China sees Putin's desire to remake the USSR as a fool's mission that helps China by weakening Russia, Europe and any other country that gets sucked in. China is only too eager to help Russia now but will stab them in the back if they fail or are weakened significantly. China is happy to see ALL adversaries beat each other up making them the strongest in the end. The long game.


Accurate.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22

Ironic that you support Neo NAZI's in the Ukraine.

How many civilians did NATO and the US and Clinton kill when they bombed Serbia? Did Serbia invade the US? I forget. I think they killed a lot more innocent women and children than Putin.

So Ukraine is productive free democratic country being controlled by corrupt billionaires and NAZI's? Has the GDP and standard of living increased in Ukraine since they got their independence 30 years ago? Ever been there world traveler genius? lol


Originally Posted by burrinho
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This



All governments have some corruption, but it is far, far worse in China and Russia. Think Putin and the Russian olys came by their money honestly? They didn't. Ukraine's values are much closer to our core values than Putin's KGB values. Astounding how many Bolsheviks there are on this site. At his core Putin is an authoritarian Bolshie (yes redundant) and half this site is rooting for him. mad


Thanks for some a bit of sanity.

I did some extensive travel/work across Eastern Europe in the early nineties. One thought sticks out was about the corrosive nationalism that was in Serbia, and the wars it led to. And how many of the other countries started to develop some of the same political/social atmosphere, especially Russia.

Unfortunately some that same corrosive ideology is what Former President Trump tapped into.

I’m for the people of Ukraine, and their fight for their freedom.

Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Diesel
I think China sees Putin's desire to remake the USSR as a fool's mission that helps China by weakening Russia, Europe and any other country that gets sucked in. China is only too eager to help Russia now but will stab them in the back if they fail or are weakened significantly. China is happy to see ALL adversaries beat each other up making them the strongest in the end. The long game.



Putin still has 14 more countries to invade and control according to your USSR analysis.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22

He' too much of a coward like all libs.

Originally Posted by gregintenn
Originally Posted by burrinho
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Tarbe
Originally Posted by kw565
Ukraine corrupt, Russia corrupt & most of the US politicians are corrupt. I would not defend any of them!


This



All governments have some corruption, but it is far, far worse in China and Russia. Think Putin and the Russian olys came by their money honestly? They didn't. Ukraine's values are much closer to our core values than Putin's KGB values. Astounding how many Bolsheviks there are on this site. At his core Putin is an authoritarian Bolshie (yes redundant) and half this site is rooting for him. mad


Thanks for some a bit of sanity.

I did some extensive travel/work across Eastern Europe in the early nineties. One thought sticks out was about the corrosive nationalism that was in Serbia, and the wars it led to. And how many of the other countries started to develop some of the same political/social atmosphere, especially Russia.

Unfortunately some that same corrosive ideology is what Former President Trump tapped into.

I’m for the people of Ukraine, and their fight for their freedom.


Go help them!
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
The U.S can do what we did to Russia when it was in Afghanistan. Supply defensive weapons to drag out the war till the costs reach unsustainable levels for Putin and the Russian people have had enough.

We do not need our guys in this stupid Putin war. The masses are so easily led by the nose by the media's clickbait nonstop drama of war and the atrocities it brings. Many will cry out to do something. They will tire of this coverage over time just like Nam and be glad we stayed out of it.

The time cannot be wasted thinking we can just ignore world threats. We need to take care of business here at home. Leadership matters and our people need to see socialism for what it is.
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka

Ironic that you support Neo NAZI's in the Ukraine.

How many civilians did NATO and the US and Clinton kill when they bombed Serbia? Did Serbia invade the US? I forget. I think they killed a lot more innocent women and children than Putin.


We killed damn near all of the CHRISTIANS who were fighting off a Muslim invasion. There's still a lot of people from the Clinton presidency, including Bubba himself, that need to be hung for that WAR CRIME.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Diesel
The U.S can do what we did to Russia when it was in Afghanistan. Supply defensive weapons to drag out the war till the costs reach unsustainable levels for Putin and the Russian people have had enough.

We do not need our guys in this stupid Putin war. The masses are so easily led by the nose by the media's clickbait nonstop drama of war and the atrocities it brings. Many will cry out to do something. They will tire of this coverage over time just like Nam and be glad we stayed out of it.

The time cannot be wasted thinking we can just ignore world threats. We need to take care of business here at home. Leadership matters and our people need to see socialism for what it is.



The US who is trillions of dollars in debt now with inflation raging is obligated now to spend billions in weapons for Ukraine?
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Diesel
I think China sees Putin's desire to remake the USSR as a fool's mission that helps China by weakening Russia, Europe and any other country that gets sucked in. China is only too eager to help Russia now but will stab them in the back if they fail or are weakened significantly. China is happy to see ALL adversaries beat each other up making them the strongest in the end. The long game.



Putin still has 14 more countries to invade and control according to your USSR analysis.


Yep, that's a long way to go and why it is a fool's mission. Russia will be drained and weakened by any attempt to continue on, but Putin needs to be seen as a strong leader (in his mind) to hold on to power in front of his people.

Times have changed though with technologies and communications. It is much harder to sell false narratives today.
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Diesel
The U.S can do what we did to Russia when it was in Afghanistan. Supply defensive weapons to drag out the war till the costs reach unsustainable levels for Putin and the Russian people have had enough.

We do not need our guys in this stupid Putin war. The masses are so easily led by the nose by the media's clickbait nonstop drama of war and the atrocities it brings. Many will cry out to do something. They will tire of this coverage over time just like Nam and be glad we stayed out of it.

The time cannot be wasted thinking we can just ignore world threats. We need to take care of business here at home. Leadership matters and our people need to see socialism for what it is.



The US who is trillions of dollars in debt now with inflation raging is obligated now to spend billions in weapons for Ukraine?


Cheap to send a few billion in Stingers and Javelins to wear out Russia and keep us at arms length.
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Ribka, We need to get our house in order and stop spending on stupid stuff here at home. Just the cost of open borders alone is staggering. Waste is everywhere. With the leadership and ideology in place right now...well you know where that takes us.

We need to get our strength back and stay out of sheit that only drags us down.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Diesel
The U.S can do what we did to Russia when it was in Afghanistan. Supply defensive weapons to drag out the war till the costs reach unsustainable levels for Putin and the Russian people have had enough.

We do not need our guys in this stupid Putin war. The masses are so easily led by the nose by the media's clickbait nonstop drama of war and the atrocities it brings. Many will cry out to do something. They will tire of this coverage over time just like Nam and be glad we stayed out of it.

The time cannot be wasted thinking we can just ignore world threats. We need to take care of business here at home. Leadership matters and our people need to see socialism for what it is.



The US who is trillions of dollars in debt now with inflation raging is obligated now to spend billions in weapons for Ukraine?


Ukraine is in a buying mood and has been for many years.

200 million buys 1000 Javelins or really 900+ dead pieces of Russian armour.

Deal of the Century, right there.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22

Of course those javelins would never end up in the black market and eventually in our enemies' hands because Ukraine has such a proven record of being a trustworthy country. Ask Hunter Biden

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Diesel
The U.S can do what we did to Russia when it was in Afghanistan. Supply defensive weapons to drag out the war till the costs reach unsustainable levels for Putin and the Russian people have had enough.

We do not need our guys in this stupid Putin war. The masses are so easily led by the nose by the media's clickbait nonstop drama of war and the atrocities it brings. Many will cry out to do something. They will tire of this coverage over time just like Nam and be glad we stayed out of it.

The time cannot be wasted thinking we can just ignore world threats. We need to take care of business here at home. Leadership matters and our people need to see socialism for what it is.



The US who is trillions of dollars in debt now with inflation raging is obligated now to spend billions in weapons for Ukraine?


Ukraine is in a buying mood and has been for many years.

200 million buys 1000 Javelins or really 900+ dead pieces of Russian armour.

Deal of the Century, right there.
Posted By: OutlawPatriot Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by viking
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.

Hopefully all Lefties.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka

Of course those javelins would never end up in the black market and eventually in our enemies' hands because Ukraine has such a proven record of being a trustworthy country. Ask Hunter Biden


That is a real concern.

Even the USA Pres Limo, The Beast, would be vulnerable to a top attack Jav.

All those uparmoured Mercedes the elites zip around in would be easy meat at 2 miles.

Better put kill switches in all the monkey models.

For real.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
The 3rd round of peace talks failed to produce anything.
Posted By: dodgefan Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot
Originally Posted by viking
Fox Just said 20,000 have volunteered to fight.

Hopefully all Lefties.


I haven't looked my self but have seen clips copied from Reddit where people are talking about volunteering. I guess it's a pretty good sized thread. Supposedly some have already made it over there.

I've also read that Ukraine is requiring a 3 year commitment in order to sign up.
Posted By: cumminscowboy Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
listen to this for a different view on russia.


another great one

Posted By: Henryseale Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Waiting for "reports" that Russian troops are bayonetting little babies and despoiling virtuous Ukrainian women....shades of 1914

Already been reported rapes by Russian troops per interview by a Ukrainian woman. I don't doubt it one bit. Just as their grandfathers did to the German women. Inherited traits, I suppose. Women and children are being killed by bombing, artillery, and small arms fire. So far, no bayoneting being reported.
Posted By: BuckHaggard Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by ribka
No wonder Zelenskiy needed a war. From thief reinvented as a hero






https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy




Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
This article is more than 4 months old
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Illustration: Guardian Design
Luke Harding, Elena Loginova and Aubrey Belford
Sun 3 Oct 2021 12.30 EDT

It was a storyline that in earlier times would have seemed impossible. For four years, the actor and comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy entertained TV audiences in Ukraine with his starring role in the sitcom Servant of the People. Zelenskiy played a teacher who, outraged by his country’s chronic corruption, successfully runs for president. In 2019, Zelenskiy made fiction real when he contested Ukraine’s actual presidential election and won.

On the campaign trail, Zelenskiy pledged to clean up Ukraine’s oligarch-dominated ruling system. And he railed against politicians such as the wealthy incumbent Petro Poroshenko who hid their assets offshore. The message worked. Zelenskiy won 73% of the vote and now sits in a cavernous office in the capital, Kyiv, decorated with gilded stucco ceilings. Last month, he held talks with Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

Quick Guide
What are the Pandora papers?
Show
Zelenskiy has not commented on the claim despite extensive attempts by the Guardian and its media partners to reach him. His spokesperson Sergiy Nikiforov messaged: “Won’t be an answer.”

The files reveal Zelenskiy participated in a sprawling network of offshore companies, co-owned with his longtime friends and TV business partners. They include Serhiy Shefir, who produced Zelensky’s hit shows, and Shefir’s older brother, Borys, who wrote the scripts. Another member of the consortium is Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend. Bakanov was general director of Zelenskiy’s production studio, Kvartal 95.

Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president.
Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president. Photograph: Kvartal 95
Advertisement
All are associated with Zelenskiy’s home town in southern Ukraine, Kryvyi Rih. After winning power, Zelenskiy brought these close allies into government. Bakanov became head of Ukraine’s SBU security agency. Zelenskiy made Serhiy Shefir his first assistant, an unpaid role that involves handling the president’s daily schedule. A fourth member of this close-knit group, Andriy Yakovlev, is a film director and Kvartal 95 producer.

Zelenskiy has said these appointments were about personal trust rather than financial cronyism. “I have a few people who work with me who have been my friends for a long time … They have no relation to business, or to the budget,” he told the Guardian in 2020.

A secret transfer
Before becoming president, Zelenskiy declared some of his private assets. They included cars, property and three of the co-owned offshore companies. One, Film Heritage, which he held jointly with his wife, Olena, a former Kvartal 95 writer, is registered in Belize.

But the Pandora papers show further offshore assets that Zelenskiy appears not to have revealed. Film Heritage had a 25% stake in Davegra, a Cyprus holding company. Davegra in turn owns Maltex Multicapital Corp, a previously unknown entity registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Zelenskiy, the Shefir brothers, and Yakovlev each held a 25% stake in Maltex.

On 13 March 2019, two weeks before the first round of voting in Ukraine’s election, Zelenskiy gave his quarter stake in Maltex to Serhiy Shefir, documents show. It is unclear if Shefir paid Zelenskiy. Bakanov witnessed this secret transfer and signed the offshore papers.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019.
Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019. Photograph: Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters/[bleep]
Roughly six weeks later, after Zelenskiy’s landslide victory, a lawyer acting for the Kvartal 95 group signed another document. It stipulated that Maltex would continue to pay dividends to Zelenskiy’s Film Heritage, even though it no longer owned any stake in the company. Its main revenue comes from activity in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, according to a Maltex client profile.

Advertisement
Trump: US should put Chinese flags on F-22 jets and ‘bomb [bleep] out of’ Russia
The Pandora papers do not indicate whether any dividends were ever paid or their size. Nor do they reveal how many payments might have been made. Zelenskiy’s wife, Olena, is now the declared beneficial owner of Film Heritage, meaning any payments since 2019 would have flowed to her.

The key document – dated 24 April 2019 – says Maltex holds shares in companies that produce and distribute TV films. One reason for setting up Maltex was “tax-efficient accumulation of business profits”; another, it states, was “legal protection”. Borys Sheifir said Bakanov had mostly set up these offshore “financial schemes” in order to protect the company from “authorities and bandits”.

“Speaking honestly, I’m not ready to respond to you. It could be that I’m an owner [of Maltex],” Shefir told the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), one of the Pandora papers’ media partners. He said he was trying to divest himself of his offshore interests, but said this was a slow and difficult process. Serhiy Shefir, Bakanov and Yakovlev declined to comment, as did their lawyer.


Advertisement

The Maltex revelation is embarrassing for Zelenskiy given his pledge to crack down on those sending wealth overseas. Last month, Ukraine’s parliament passed an anti-oligarch bill. The vote took place a day after unknown assassins tried to kill Shefir. A gunman had opened fire on his car outside Kyiv. He was unharmed, but his driver was wounded. The attempt may have been motivated by opposition to the bill.

In a recent opinion piece for the Atlantic Council, Zelenskiy said his ultimate goal as president was to destroy “the traditional oligarchic order” and to replace it with a “fairer system”. Critics, however, say Zelenskiy has failed to reform the state and embraced the same shadowy ways as his predecessors. EU auditors warned last month that “grand corruption and state capture” remained widespread in Ukraine.

Since entering politics Zelenskiy has been dogged by claims he is under the influence of Igor Kolomoisky, a billionaire whose TV channel screened Zelenskiy’s show. During the campaign Zelenskiy’s opponents alleged $41m from Kolomoisky entities found its way between 2012 and 2016 into offshore firms belonging to Zelenskiy and his circle, including Film Heritage.

Russian connection
The Pandora papers show that at least some of the details in the scheme alleged by Poroshenko’s party correspond to reality. They show that part of the Kvartal 95 network was managed with help from Fidelity Corporate Services, an offshore consultancy and one of 14 firms whose documents make up the leak. The files show that Zelenskiy and his business partners used companies based in the BVI, Belize and Cyprus.

The assets held via these offshore companies are wide-ranging. They include real estate in London. Shefir owns two top-end properties – a three-bedroom apartment in an Edwardian mansion block in Regent’s Park bought in 2016 for £1.575m, and another three-bedroom flat in nearby Baker Street, opposite the Sherlock Holmes Museum, and purchased for £2.2m, according to Land Registry records.

Meanwhile, Yakovlev’s BVI company Candlewood Investments owns a luxury flat in a Victorian mansion block in Artillery Row, Westminster. The properties were acquired around the time Zelenskiy’s show was turned into a feature film and recommissioned for a second series. It is unclear if the three flats are let out or used on an occasional basis. A Russian company that bills itself as an “individual service for high status clients” manages them.

Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Poroshenko faced criticism for owning a chocolate factory in Russia at a time when Ukraine was fighting a war against Russian troops and their proxies following the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. The conflict, in which 14,000 people have died, continues in the east of the country and in the Moscow-backed rebel territories of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia was previously a major market for Kvartal 95, with Russian TV screening its comedy shows.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world. A million people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place. An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates and civilian casualties rise.


It’s our job at the Guardian to decipher a rapidly changing landscape, particularly when it involves a mounting refugee crisis and the risk of unthinkable escalation. Our correspondents are on the ground on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border and throughout the globe, delivering round-the-clock reporting and analysis during this perilous moment.


We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.


Tens of millions have placed their trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing 200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. We’d like to invite you to join more than 1.5 million supporters, from 180 countries, who now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and fiercely independent.


Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting like this is vital to establish the facts, who is lying and who is telling the truth.


And we provide all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this because we believe in information equality. Greater numbers of people can keep track of the global events shaping our world, understand their impact on people and communities, and become inspired to take meaningful action. Millions can benefit from open access to quality, truthful news, regardless of their ability to pay for it.


If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution, however big or small, powers our journalism and sustains our future. Support the Guardian from as little as $1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you.






So what? I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that a leader in eastern europe is dirty.
Posted By: Diesel Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ribka

Of course those javelins would never end up in the black market and eventually in our enemies' hands because Ukraine has such a proven record of being a trustworthy country. Ask Hunter Biden


That is a real concern.

Even the USA Pres Limo, The Beast, would be vulnerable to a top attack Jav.

All those uparmoured Mercedes the elites zip around in would be easy meat at 2 miles.

Better put kill switches in all the monkey models.

For real.


I wonder if there are tracking mechanisms in those javelins. Just to know when one is in your neighborhood.
Posted By: TheLastLemming76 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

You limit our choices as to which side to choose. Russia or the Ukraine. I'd like to add one. The United States. This is being played out just like our choices for political candidates, in this hand is a rattlesnake and in this hand is a copperhead. These are your only choices. Time to change that.

Well said

Of all the things that this country needs to be focused on and truly a matter of national interest. Russia/Ukraine isn’t remotely close to be our business or a priority.
Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
I bet (hope) people are stroking out over at that Democrat Underground over all this.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
listen to this for a different view on russia.


another great one



Watched the Frei Barnes this morning. Frei is putting out great info as always
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.

You limit our choices as to which side to choose. Russia or the Ukraine. I'd like to add one. The United States. This is being played out just like our choices for political candidates, in this hand is a rattlesnake and in this hand is a copperhead. These are your only choices. Time to change that.

Well said

Of all the things that this country needs to be focused on and truly a matter of national interest. Russia/Ukraine isn’t remotely close to be our business or a priority.


If you saw two pit bulls on the street fighting and notice both of the owners, Dashawn and deemarksus encouraging the dogs to fight and placing bets. Then you find out both pits have AIDS, hepatitis, Rabies and the Ebola virus would you intervene and break up the fight as a proud patriotic American sticking up for animal rights?
Posted By: David_Walter Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Preach it brother.

Imagine if we'd done that to equipment in Afghanistan?

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ribka

Of course those javelins would never end up in the black market and eventually in our enemies' hands because Ukraine has such a proven record of being a trustworthy country. Ask Hunter Biden


That is a real concern.

Better put kill switches in all the monkey models.

For real.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
What other leader in Eastern Europe is corrupt and has stolen billions in US aid meant to help his people. Just name one leader in Eastern Europe who has done this


Millions of those tax payer dollars kicked back to the Biden's and Clintons. Amazing that any American would support this.

BTW are you flying over to fight the dirty communist Russkies to protect the Ukrainian billionaire angels this week? lol



Originally Posted by BuckHaggard
Originally Posted by ribka
No wonder Zelenskiy needed a war. From thief reinvented as a hero






https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy




Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
This article is more than 4 months old
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Illustration: Guardian Design
Luke Harding, Elena Loginova and Aubrey Belford
Sun 3 Oct 2021 12.30 EDT

It was a storyline that in earlier times would have seemed impossible. For four years, the actor and comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy entertained TV audiences in Ukraine with his starring role in the sitcom Servant of the People. Zelenskiy played a teacher who, outraged by his country’s chronic corruption, successfully runs for president. In 2019, Zelenskiy made fiction real when he contested Ukraine’s actual presidential election and won.

On the campaign trail, Zelenskiy pledged to clean up Ukraine’s oligarch-dominated ruling system. And he railed against politicians such as the wealthy incumbent Petro Poroshenko who hid their assets offshore. The message worked. Zelenskiy won 73% of the vote and now sits in a cavernous office in the capital, Kyiv, decorated with gilded stucco ceilings. Last month, he held talks with Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

Quick Guide
What are the Pandora papers?
Show
Zelenskiy has not commented on the claim despite extensive attempts by the Guardian and its media partners to reach him. His spokesperson Sergiy Nikiforov messaged: “Won’t be an answer.”

The files reveal Zelenskiy participated in a sprawling network of offshore companies, co-owned with his longtime friends and TV business partners. They include Serhiy Shefir, who produced Zelensky’s hit shows, and Shefir’s older brother, Borys, who wrote the scripts. Another member of the consortium is Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend. Bakanov was general director of Zelenskiy’s production studio, Kvartal 95.

Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president.
Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president. Photograph: Kvartal 95
Advertisement
All are associated with Zelenskiy’s home town in southern Ukraine, Kryvyi Rih. After winning power, Zelenskiy brought these close allies into government. Bakanov became head of Ukraine’s SBU security agency. Zelenskiy made Serhiy Shefir his first assistant, an unpaid role that involves handling the president’s daily schedule. A fourth member of this close-knit group, Andriy Yakovlev, is a film director and Kvartal 95 producer.

Zelenskiy has said these appointments were about personal trust rather than financial cronyism. “I have a few people who work with me who have been my friends for a long time … They have no relation to business, or to the budget,” he told the Guardian in 2020.

A secret transfer
Before becoming president, Zelenskiy declared some of his private assets. They included cars, property and three of the co-owned offshore companies. One, Film Heritage, which he held jointly with his wife, Olena, a former Kvartal 95 writer, is registered in Belize.

But the Pandora papers show further offshore assets that Zelenskiy appears not to have revealed. Film Heritage had a 25% stake in Davegra, a Cyprus holding company. Davegra in turn owns Maltex Multicapital Corp, a previously unknown entity registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Zelenskiy, the Shefir brothers, and Yakovlev each held a 25% stake in Maltex.

On 13 March 2019, two weeks before the first round of voting in Ukraine’s election, Zelenskiy gave his quarter stake in Maltex to Serhiy Shefir, documents show. It is unclear if Shefir paid Zelenskiy. Bakanov witnessed this secret transfer and signed the offshore papers.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019.
Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019. Photograph: Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters/[bleep]
Roughly six weeks later, after Zelenskiy’s landslide victory, a lawyer acting for the Kvartal 95 group signed another document. It stipulated that Maltex would continue to pay dividends to Zelenskiy’s Film Heritage, even though it no longer owned any stake in the company. Its main revenue comes from activity in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, according to a Maltex client profile.

Advertisement
Trump: US should put Chinese flags on F-22 jets and ‘bomb [bleep] out of’ Russia
The Pandora papers do not indicate whether any dividends were ever paid or their size. Nor do they reveal how many payments might have been made. Zelenskiy’s wife, Olena, is now the declared beneficial owner of Film Heritage, meaning any payments since 2019 would have flowed to her.

The key document – dated 24 April 2019 – says Maltex holds shares in companies that produce and distribute TV films. One reason for setting up Maltex was “tax-efficient accumulation of business profits”; another, it states, was “legal protection”. Borys Sheifir said Bakanov had mostly set up these offshore “financial schemes” in order to protect the company from “authorities and bandits”.

“Speaking honestly, I’m not ready to respond to you. It could be that I’m an owner [of Maltex],” Shefir told the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), one of the Pandora papers’ media partners. He said he was trying to divest himself of his offshore interests, but said this was a slow and difficult process. Serhiy Shefir, Bakanov and Yakovlev declined to comment, as did their lawyer.


Advertisement

The Maltex revelation is embarrassing for Zelenskiy given his pledge to crack down on those sending wealth overseas. Last month, Ukraine’s parliament passed an anti-oligarch bill. The vote took place a day after unknown assassins tried to kill Shefir. A gunman had opened fire on his car outside Kyiv. He was unharmed, but his driver was wounded. The attempt may have been motivated by opposition to the bill.

In a recent opinion piece for the Atlantic Council, Zelenskiy said his ultimate goal as president was to destroy “the traditional oligarchic order” and to replace it with a “fairer system”. Critics, however, say Zelenskiy has failed to reform the state and embraced the same shadowy ways as his predecessors. EU auditors warned last month that “grand corruption and state capture” remained widespread in Ukraine.

Since entering politics Zelenskiy has been dogged by claims he is under the influence of Igor Kolomoisky, a billionaire whose TV channel screened Zelenskiy’s show. During the campaign Zelenskiy’s opponents alleged $41m from Kolomoisky entities found its way between 2012 and 2016 into offshore firms belonging to Zelenskiy and his circle, including Film Heritage.

Russian connection
The Pandora papers show that at least some of the details in the scheme alleged by Poroshenko’s party correspond to reality. They show that part of the Kvartal 95 network was managed with help from Fidelity Corporate Services, an offshore consultancy and one of 14 firms whose documents make up the leak. The files show that Zelenskiy and his business partners used companies based in the BVI, Belize and Cyprus.

The assets held via these offshore companies are wide-ranging. They include real estate in London. Shefir owns two top-end properties – a three-bedroom apartment in an Edwardian mansion block in Regent’s Park bought in 2016 for £1.575m, and another three-bedroom flat in nearby Baker Street, opposite the Sherlock Holmes Museum, and purchased for £2.2m, according to Land Registry records.

Meanwhile, Yakovlev’s BVI company Candlewood Investments owns a luxury flat in a Victorian mansion block in Artillery Row, Westminster. The properties were acquired around the time Zelenskiy’s show was turned into a feature film and recommissioned for a second series. It is unclear if the three flats are let out or used on an occasional basis. A Russian company that bills itself as an “individual service for high status clients” manages them.

Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Poroshenko faced criticism for owning a chocolate factory in Russia at a time when Ukraine was fighting a war against Russian troops and their proxies following the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. The conflict, in which 14,000 people have died, continues in the east of the country and in the Moscow-backed rebel territories of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia was previously a major market for Kvartal 95, with Russian TV screening its comedy shows.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world. A million people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place. An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates and civilian casualties rise.


It’s our job at the Guardian to decipher a rapidly changing landscape, particularly when it involves a mounting refugee crisis and the risk of unthinkable escalation. Our correspondents are on the ground on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border and throughout the globe, delivering round-the-clock reporting and analysis during this perilous moment.


We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.


Tens of millions have placed their trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing 200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. We’d like to invite you to join more than 1.5 million supporters, from 180 countries, who now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and fiercely independent.


Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting like this is vital to establish the facts, who is lying and who is telling the truth.


And we provide all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this because we believe in information equality. Greater numbers of people can keep track of the global events shaping our world, understand their impact on people and communities, and become inspired to take meaningful action. Millions can benefit from open access to quality, truthful news, regardless of their ability to pay for it.


If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution, however big or small, powers our journalism and sustains our future. Support the Guardian from as little as $1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you.






So what? I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that a leader in eastern europe is dirty.

Posted By: old_boots Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Haven't read the last 6 pages and not going to.

We should not defend the Ukraine because we are not the defenders of the world. We just cannot afford it. Giving away all of our armaments is not a good idea either as we may need them to defend ourselves. Stop dipping into our strategic oil reserves. The amount of gas Bodunk frees up at one time lasts the US 3 days... That oil is primarily for defense purposes and not a summer vacation.

We need to prepare for tough times and rest assured, they ARE coming.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by old_boots
Haven't read the last 6 pages and not going to.

We should not defend the Ukraine because we are not the defenders of the world. We just cannot afford it. Giving away all of our armaments is not a good idea either as we may need them to defend ourselves. Stop dipping into our strategic oil reserves. The amount of gas Bodunk frees up at one time lasts the US 3 days... That oil is primarily for defense purposes and not a summer vacation.

We need to prepare for tough times as they ARE coming.


Biden has already depleted our strategic reserve before this even started. The strategic reserve was only to be used in dire instances when American security was threatened Not to bump him up a few points in the poll.s All of the Ukrainian bribes to the Bidens is paying off now to destabilize the US even more. But Ukraine is our close ally. lol
Posted By: OldGrayWolf Re: Russia Defenders - 03/07/22
Originally Posted by old_boots
Haven't read the last 6 pages and not going to.

We should not defend the Ukraine because we are not the defenders of the world. We just cannot afford it. Giving away all of our armaments is not a good idea either as we may need them to defend ourselves. Stop dipping into our strategic oil reserves. The amount of gas Bodunk frees up at one time lasts the US 3 days... That oil is primarily for defense purposes and not a summer vacation.

We need to prepare for tough times and rest assured, they ARE coming.


You gotta quit with all that common sense and truth, man. Just grab yourself an agenda and get to emotionally defending it. Use one of the media narratives for best success. That’s what most folks do...
Posted By: kwg020 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.


It's one hour long and you can't get the jist of it in 5 minutes.
kwg

Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by old_boots
Haven't read the last 6 pages and not going to.

We should not defend the Ukraine because we are not the defenders of the world. We just cannot afford it. Giving away all of our armaments is not a good idea either as we may need them to defend ourselves. Stop dipping into our strategic oil reserves. The amount of gas Bodunk frees up at one time lasts the US 3 days... That oil is primarily for defense purposes and not a summer vacation.

We need to prepare for tough times as they ARE coming.


Biden has already depleted our strategic reserve before this even started. The strategic reserve was only to be used in dire instances when American security was threatened Not to bump him up a few points in the poll.s All of the Ukrainian bribes to the Bidens is paying off now to destabilize the US even more. But Ukraine is our close ally. lol



Depleted our strategic reserve?

He took 30 million barrels out of 588 million barrels total in the strategic reserves.

Like you and the rest, I damned sure don’t agree with the dolt doing that at all.
Posted By: jackmountain Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by Henryseale
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Waiting for "reports" that Russian troops are bayonetting little babies and despoiling virtuous Ukrainian women....shades of 1914

Already been reported rapes by Russian troops per interview by a Ukrainian woman. I don't doubt it one bit. Just as their grandfathers did to the German women. Inherited traits, I suppose. Women and children are being killed by bombing, artillery, and small arms fire. So far, no bayoneting being reported.


How many women and kids killed by drone strikes in Afghanistan? Syria? Iraq? Who financially benefits from the constant state of warfare the world has been in since World War I?
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by Henryseale
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Waiting for "reports" that Russian troops are bayonetting little babies and despoiling virtuous Ukrainian women....shades of 1914

Already been reported rapes by Russian troops per interview by a Ukrainian woman. I don't doubt it one bit. Just as their grandfathers did to the German women. Inherited traits, I suppose. Women and children are being killed by bombing, artillery, and small arms fire. So far, no bayoneting being reported.


How many women and kids killed by drone strikes in Afghanistan? Syria? Iraq? Who financially benefits from the constant state of warfare the world has been in since World War I?


Sometimes, the free world benefits.
Posted By: Burleyboy Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
The m+ost compelling reason ie seen to consider supporting Russia is that Soros and Biden are on team Ukraine. Those guys always side with evil. I'm not a poohtin fan but I recognize there is always much more at play than we're ever told. Whatever is going on it feels like Biden and his clown squad have pushed for this all to happen. Odds are leadership on all sides are corrupt and evil and tge decent acreage people in the middle are the ones that are suffering the most. Most people just want a safe place to raise their kids and to earn enough to get by with minimal interferance from others. And then there's the leftists.?
,
Bb
Posted By: shootem Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
I’m not reading 6 pages either. All I needed was the first post. The better question is “Can anyone (outside the Biden family) give a single credible reason why the United States SHOULD involve itself militarily in this war?”
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Can any Russia defenders point me a credible (not Q) source detailing the reasons we should not support Ukraine in this conflict?

Serious question. I’d like to hear some compelling arguments.



Find out why Ukraine artillery has been pounding the schitt out of the Donbass for the last 8 years in violation of the Minsk Accords. Or damming the canal that supplies most of the fresh water to the Donbass. Or why everything that's happened with Ukraine in the last 30 years has US democrap fingerprints all over it starting with the Clintons. Or why the Vindman brothers are influencing policy toward Ukraine. Or why Ukraine is the world's largest money laundering nation.

That should keep you busy6 for awhile.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russell+bentley+youtube[/video]
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Scroll past the first three American propaganda pieces.

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+donbass+war[/video]
Posted By: OldHat Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.






You should saddle up and head over there yourself. Hell, you might even show up in time to help take credit for the win.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by Burleyboy
The m+ost compelling reason ie seen to consider supporting Russia is that Soros and Biden are on team Ukraine. Those guys always side with evil. I'm not a poohtin fan but I recognize there is always much more at play than we're ever told. Whatever is going on it feels like Biden and his clown squad have pushed for this all to happen. Odds are leadership on all sides are corrupt and evil and tge decent acreage people in the middle are the ones that are suffering the most. Most people just want a safe place to raise their kids and to earn enough to get by with minimal interferance from others. And then there's the leftists.?
,
Bb




That's it in a nutshell right there. Too many dumbasses aren't making that connection. 1+ 👍
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.



I’ve been a bit on the fence as to how much of OUR money we should be sending to those corrupt bastards. I’m of the opinion that this is primarily a European issue. Europe needs to get off their knees, grow a pair of balls and act in their best self interests. They should be the allied countries point man on this war not the USA. Europe should be footing the bill for military aid, they can BUY It from us but this is an issue that affects them much more than it affects us. I’ve been pleasantly surprised watching the Ukrainians kicking the Russians in the nuts plus we’re gaining excellent intel regarding the strengths and (MANY) weaknesses of the Russians. I’ve been rather amused watching the Ukrainians hold their own against the big bad Russian military while simultaneously being frustrated beyond belief at the missed opportunity to decimate the Russians that were stalled in the “40 mile” military traffic jam. It seems that with a little tactical planning and the employment of modern tactics along with some guerrilla tactics that a bunch of guys with LAWs, TOWs, Javelins, and good fields of interlocking machine gun fire the Ukrainians could put a serious ass whoopin’ on the Russians. The Russians don’t have the luxury of mobility since they’re jammed up and would be sitting ducks.It would be an extremely effective way to demoralize and destroy a huge contingent of reticent young Russian soldiers while at the same time it would be a tremendous boost to Ukrainian morale as well as it would likely boost their image on the world stage. They need every victory they can get and they absolutely POSITIVELY CANNOT allow opportunities like that convoy to go virtually unchallenged. They’re involved in a war whether they like it or not and they damn sure need to capitalize on their enemy’s mistakes and tactical errors. Allowing that convoy to remain intact and relatively unmolested will be their biggest and most costliest mistake.
Posted By: gonehuntin Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Who financially benefits from the constant state of warfare the world has been in since World War I?


Who benefits? These very kosher men surrounding Guerilla Mao (Mao - back row, far right):

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Who benefits? These very kosher men surrounding Chairman Mao:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Who benefits? Sidney Shapiro, sitting in the Chinese congress:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Who benefits? Israel Epstein, Chairman Mao's Minister of Appropriations (Finance):

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Ever wonder why you never saw these photo's in any American history class?? It's not an oversight.

That's just one country that the Rothschild's propped up, Ukraine is a hive for the (((nation-wreckers))), witness George Soros and disgraced Alex Vindmann fanning the flames of war over there - they stand to make a healthy profit from that mess the longer it goes on.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.





Professional Overseas Contractors
Posted By: viking Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Does being a keyboard commando or video game hero count as experience?😂
Posted By: akasparky Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by viking
Does being a keyboard commando or video game hero count as experience?😂


Not in the game being played here on the Fire.

You have to be a top notch You Tube pro and post the most videos of talking heads that align with your view telling you what to think.
Posted By: BuckHaggard Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by ribka
What other leader in Eastern Europe is corrupt and has stolen billions in US aid meant to help his people. Just name one leader in Eastern Europe who has done this


Millions of those tax payer dollars kicked back to the Biden's and Clintons. Amazing that any American would support this.

BTW are you flying over to fight the dirty communist Russkies to protect the Ukrainian billionaire angels this week? lol



Originally Posted by BuckHaggard
Originally Posted by ribka
No wonder Zelenskiy needed a war. From thief reinvented as a hero






https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy




Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
This article is more than 4 months old
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Illustration: Guardian Design
Luke Harding, Elena Loginova and Aubrey Belford
Sun 3 Oct 2021 12.30 EDT

It was a storyline that in earlier times would have seemed impossible. For four years, the actor and comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy entertained TV audiences in Ukraine with his starring role in the sitcom Servant of the People. Zelenskiy played a teacher who, outraged by his country’s chronic corruption, successfully runs for president. In 2019, Zelenskiy made fiction real when he contested Ukraine’s actual presidential election and won.

On the campaign trail, Zelenskiy pledged to clean up Ukraine’s oligarch-dominated ruling system. And he railed against politicians such as the wealthy incumbent Petro Poroshenko who hid their assets offshore. The message worked. Zelenskiy won 73% of the vote and now sits in a cavernous office in the capital, Kyiv, decorated with gilded stucco ceilings. Last month, he held talks with Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

Quick Guide
What are the Pandora papers?
Show
Zelenskiy has not commented on the claim despite extensive attempts by the Guardian and its media partners to reach him. His spokesperson Sergiy Nikiforov messaged: “Won’t be an answer.”

The files reveal Zelenskiy participated in a sprawling network of offshore companies, co-owned with his longtime friends and TV business partners. They include Serhiy Shefir, who produced Zelensky’s hit shows, and Shefir’s older brother, Borys, who wrote the scripts. Another member of the consortium is Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend. Bakanov was general director of Zelenskiy’s production studio, Kvartal 95.

Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president.
Still from Servant of the People, the satirical comedy show starring Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the lead as the Ukrainian president. Photograph: Kvartal 95
Advertisement
All are associated with Zelenskiy’s home town in southern Ukraine, Kryvyi Rih. After winning power, Zelenskiy brought these close allies into government. Bakanov became head of Ukraine’s SBU security agency. Zelenskiy made Serhiy Shefir his first assistant, an unpaid role that involves handling the president’s daily schedule. A fourth member of this close-knit group, Andriy Yakovlev, is a film director and Kvartal 95 producer.

Zelenskiy has said these appointments were about personal trust rather than financial cronyism. “I have a few people who work with me who have been my friends for a long time … They have no relation to business, or to the budget,” he told the Guardian in 2020.

A secret transfer
Before becoming president, Zelenskiy declared some of his private assets. They included cars, property and three of the co-owned offshore companies. One, Film Heritage, which he held jointly with his wife, Olena, a former Kvartal 95 writer, is registered in Belize.

But the Pandora papers show further offshore assets that Zelenskiy appears not to have revealed. Film Heritage had a 25% stake in Davegra, a Cyprus holding company. Davegra in turn owns Maltex Multicapital Corp, a previously unknown entity registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Zelenskiy, the Shefir brothers, and Yakovlev each held a 25% stake in Maltex.

On 13 March 2019, two weeks before the first round of voting in Ukraine’s election, Zelenskiy gave his quarter stake in Maltex to Serhiy Shefir, documents show. It is unclear if Shefir paid Zelenskiy. Bakanov witnessed this secret transfer and signed the offshore papers.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019.
Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his wife, Olena, at a polling station during a parliamentary election in Kyiv, Ukraine, in July 2019. Photograph: Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters/[bleep]
Roughly six weeks later, after Zelenskiy’s landslide victory, a lawyer acting for the Kvartal 95 group signed another document. It stipulated that Maltex would continue to pay dividends to Zelenskiy’s Film Heritage, even though it no longer owned any stake in the company. Its main revenue comes from activity in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, according to a Maltex client profile.

Advertisement
Trump: US should put Chinese flags on F-22 jets and ‘bomb [bleep] out of’ Russia
The Pandora papers do not indicate whether any dividends were ever paid or their size. Nor do they reveal how many payments might have been made. Zelenskiy’s wife, Olena, is now the declared beneficial owner of Film Heritage, meaning any payments since 2019 would have flowed to her.

The key document – dated 24 April 2019 – says Maltex holds shares in companies that produce and distribute TV films. One reason for setting up Maltex was “tax-efficient accumulation of business profits”; another, it states, was “legal protection”. Borys Sheifir said Bakanov had mostly set up these offshore “financial schemes” in order to protect the company from “authorities and bandits”.

“Speaking honestly, I’m not ready to respond to you. It could be that I’m an owner [of Maltex],” Shefir told the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), one of the Pandora papers’ media partners. He said he was trying to divest himself of his offshore interests, but said this was a slow and difficult process. Serhiy Shefir, Bakanov and Yakovlev declined to comment, as did their lawyer.


Advertisement

The Maltex revelation is embarrassing for Zelenskiy given his pledge to crack down on those sending wealth overseas. Last month, Ukraine’s parliament passed an anti-oligarch bill. The vote took place a day after unknown assassins tried to kill Shefir. A gunman had opened fire on his car outside Kyiv. He was unharmed, but his driver was wounded. The attempt may have been motivated by opposition to the bill.

In a recent opinion piece for the Atlantic Council, Zelenskiy said his ultimate goal as president was to destroy “the traditional oligarchic order” and to replace it with a “fairer system”. Critics, however, say Zelenskiy has failed to reform the state and embraced the same shadowy ways as his predecessors. EU auditors warned last month that “grand corruption and state capture” remained widespread in Ukraine.

Since entering politics Zelenskiy has been dogged by claims he is under the influence of Igor Kolomoisky, a billionaire whose TV channel screened Zelenskiy’s show. During the campaign Zelenskiy’s opponents alleged $41m from Kolomoisky entities found its way between 2012 and 2016 into offshore firms belonging to Zelenskiy and his circle, including Film Heritage.

Russian connection
The Pandora papers show that at least some of the details in the scheme alleged by Poroshenko’s party correspond to reality. They show that part of the Kvartal 95 network was managed with help from Fidelity Corporate Services, an offshore consultancy and one of 14 firms whose documents make up the leak. The files show that Zelenskiy and his business partners used companies based in the BVI, Belize and Cyprus.

The assets held via these offshore companies are wide-ranging. They include real estate in London. Shefir owns two top-end properties – a three-bedroom apartment in an Edwardian mansion block in Regent’s Park bought in 2016 for £1.575m, and another three-bedroom flat in nearby Baker Street, opposite the Sherlock Holmes Museum, and purchased for £2.2m, according to Land Registry records.

Meanwhile, Yakovlev’s BVI company Candlewood Investments owns a luxury flat in a Victorian mansion block in Artillery Row, Westminster. The properties were acquired around the time Zelenskiy’s show was turned into a feature film and recommissioned for a second series. It is unclear if the three flats are let out or used on an occasional basis. A Russian company that bills itself as an “individual service for high status clients” manages them.

Zelenskiy’s apparent business connections to Russia via Maltex are likely to prove controversial. Poroshenko faced criticism for owning a chocolate factory in Russia at a time when Ukraine was fighting a war against Russian troops and their proxies following the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. The conflict, in which 14,000 people have died, continues in the east of the country and in the Moscow-backed rebel territories of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia was previously a major market for Kvartal 95, with Russian TV screening its comedy shows.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world. A million people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place. An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates and civilian casualties rise.


It’s our job at the Guardian to decipher a rapidly changing landscape, particularly when it involves a mounting refugee crisis and the risk of unthinkable escalation. Our correspondents are on the ground on both sides of the Ukraine-Russia border and throughout the globe, delivering round-the-clock reporting and analysis during this perilous moment.


We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.


Tens of millions have placed their trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing 200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. We’d like to invite you to join more than 1.5 million supporters, from 180 countries, who now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and fiercely independent.


Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting like this is vital to establish the facts, who is lying and who is telling the truth.


And we provide all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this because we believe in information equality. Greater numbers of people can keep track of the global events shaping our world, understand their impact on people and communities, and become inspired to take meaningful action. Millions can benefit from open access to quality, truthful news, regardless of their ability to pay for it.


If there were ever a time to join us, it is now. Every contribution, however big or small, powers our journalism and sustains our future. Support the Guardian from as little as $1 – it only takes a minute. If you can, please consider supporting us with a regular amount each month. Thank you.






So what? I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that a leader in eastern europe is dirty.



I don't support any of it.
Posted By: kwg020 Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Fugk Russia and Fugk Ukraine. Europe will be the most affected, so let them deal with it.


The only place America belongs is just across the fence in Poland taking care of the women and children who come across. Nothing more !! Crooked American politicians drug us into this mess. We sure as hell can't depend on them to get us out. Stolen elections have consequences. For Ukrainians and young Russians they are finding out the hard way.

kwg
Posted By: stevelyn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Fugk Russia and Fugk Ukraine. Europe will be the most affected, so let them deal with it.


The only place America belongs is just across the fence in Poland taking care of the women and children who come across. Nothing more !! Crooked American politicians drug us into this mess. We sure as hell can't depend on them to get us out. Stolen elections have consequences. For Ukrainians and young Russians they are finding out the hard way.

kwg



Ukraine bet on the democraps under the Clinton regime ad have lost. Fahq them.
Posted By: ribka Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.





yeh, Let's start a nuclear war with Russia. Typical Biden voting idiot. Have you seen how much everything costs now moron?
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Russia Defenders - 03/08/22
Originally Posted by OldHat
The US should step up their military support for Ukraine ASAP. The Ukrainians are crushing Russia and will prevail.




Do you have the same concern for the Mexican invasion of the United States? If not, why not?
© 24hourcampfire