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This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

Audio from my link... AT THE SAME TIME you watch Paul's whine.
Disgusting pukes. No better than poachers or gang bangers.
It shows how weak the human mind is for many. That gang mentality whereas someone hates cyclist for some reason (who knows why... because they are fat slobs and cyclists are are doing something they enjoy to stay in shape?), but it is a pitiful example of feeble mindedness and low I.Q.
I am not a road cyclist but mountain bike on occasion. Never understood the redneck mentality of hating cyclists.
People who throw trash out on the ground are no better.
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
Low class pieces of cshit. I wonder what the penalties for that was? Littering ain’t cheap fines if caught??
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
Cuz they are ass-holes.
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

Because in most states they are legally allowed to. Contact your representative to find out why.
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

EXACTLY...

Bike events in Virginia all the time... Zero issues... zero drama.

Bikes stay in line and reasonably small groups...

Mutual accommodation abounds.

Went by one yesterday in a 8'-9' wide dually... Hundreds of riders... over 10-20 miles

Happy happy all parties... no bull chit.

It ain't rocket science...

Fugg a stupid bicyclist.
Up until my back surgery and loss of balance and stability I used to bicycle 1500-2000 miles a year. On two way streets we maintained single file or two abreast unless there was traffic going the same direction and then it was single. I experienced the same thing many times plus getting "buzzed", crowded, and pelted.
However, and not excusing the boorish behavior of the motorists in the video, two riders taking up a whole lane if it is two way just seems to inflame these azzhole drivers.
I started " carrying" after being run off the road and being threatened by a car load of punks.
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

Because in most states they are legally allowed to. Contact your representative to find out why.

Google Fu...

https://bicycleuniverse.com/legal-ride-side-side-bicycles/

Pure stupidity...
In Oregon they may ride abreast if they are not impeding traffic. The law does not specify if being forced to change lanes is impeding.

Nevertheless, on a road that has a speed limit that will allow for a large disparity of speeds between bikes and cars, it is stupid and arrogant.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
Cuz they are ass-holes.
The only thing that makes it “stupid ass-holes” is when they have their associated truck following behind them going a whole 15MPH in a 55MPH lane and they are spread out over 100 yards. Idiots.
Here in America they tend to slide right when they hear the rattle of the diesel engine....or not, and we have to mash the fuel a bit harder....that's not good for either of us with $5 fuel.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

Im ok with it. Bikers have no place on a road. Dickheads around here think they own it and will hold up dozens of cars at will. Throwing trash at them should be the least of their worries
Originally Posted by 280Rem1
Disgusting pukes. No better than poachers or gang bangers.
It shows how weak the human mind is for many. That gang mentality whereas someone hates cyclist for some reason (who knows why... because they are fat slobs and cyclists are are doing something they enjoy to stay in shape?), but it is a pitiful example of feeble mindedness and low I.Q.
I am not a road cyclist but mountain bike on occasion. Never understood the redneck mentality of hating cyclists.
People who throw trash out on the ground are no better.
Dont hate anyone who bikes. My family and i do at times, in the woods. Not on a f u c king road tying up traffic though. Clowns should be arrested or allowed to be beaten
Originally Posted by Papag
Up until my back surgery and loss of balance and stability I used to bicycle 1500-2000 miles a year. On two way streets we maintained single file or two abreast unless there was traffic going the same direction and then it was single. I experienced the same thing many times plus getting "buzzed", crowded, and pelted.
However, and not excusing the boorish behavior of the motorists in the video, two riders taking up a whole lane if it is two way just seems to inflame these azzhole drivers.
I started " carrying" after being run off the road and being threatened by a car load of punks.
Easy fix, dont ride a bike on thr road at 10mph killing all traffic flow. Stay on the shoulder or dont ride on the road
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

Steve let's play with that question a bit. It's a common one that often people don't think all the way through. A bicyclist riding alone or in a single file would want a cushion of about 2 feet from the right hand edge of the road. There are several reasons for this. A bicyclist would occupy a footprint of about 3 feet from elbow to elbow if you add in a very little lateral movement. We are at about 5 feet of lane use at this point. Now lets add in a safe passing distance of 3 feet since that's what most states specify as minimum. The right hand edge of the car would be 8 feet from the curb at this point. An average car width mirror to mirror would be about 7 feet. That's 15 feet total we are at now. With that total, the car would have to at least partially enter the left lane to pass the cyclists.

Whether the cyclists are side by side or in single file the motorist will need to enter the left lane to pass. Tests have shown that it will take cars longer to pass a line of cyclists than if the cyclists were spread out in a single line. In this case being side by side meant saving the driver time spent in the passing lane.

Now, let me ask you this question. Given the complete lack of other motor vehicle traffic and the fact that they would have to move at least partially into left lane anyway, why does it matter that the cyclists were side by side?
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

Im ok with it. Bikers have no place on a road. Dickheads around here think they own it and will hold up dozens of cars at will. Throwing trash at them should be the least of their worries

There were no cars "held up" in the making of this video.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 280Rem1
Disgusting pukes. No better than poachers or gang bangers.
It shows how weak the human mind is for many. That gang mentality whereas someone hates cyclist for some reason (who knows why... because they are fat slobs and cyclists are are doing something they enjoy to stay in shape?), but it is a pitiful example of feeble mindedness and low I.Q.
I am not a road cyclist but mountain bike on occasion. Never understood the redneck mentality of hating cyclists.
People who throw trash out on the ground are no better.
Dont hate anyone who bikes. My family and i do at times, in the woods. Not on a f u c king road tying up traffic though. Clowns should be arrested or allowed to be beaten

There was no traffic "tied up" in the making of this video, although I have a hunch that the idiots in the car were the kind that would brag to the entire trailerhood that they threw schidt at spandex clad ffaaggs holding up traffic.
I hate to see people litter.

Something biodegradable and heavier would have worked better for the intended purpose.
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.
I only throw biodegradable trash at bicyclists. 12-16" scrap 2x4's seem about ideal to me. And being a contractor I can always claim they flew off my truck while I was going down the road.

Which is nice.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Now, let me ask you this question. Given the complete lack of other motor vehicle traffic and the fact that they would have to move at least partially into left lane anyway, why does it matter that the cyclists were side by side?

Because the closing distance at speed with oncoming traffic or motorcycles is 2X. Side by side bikes in the on coming lane is a fiasco waiting to happen.

You statement was about zero oncoming traffic (per the video)... this is very rare in most places... and many many roads are not so idealistic nor straight.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
Cuz they are ass-holes.

Because they can. In Iowa a bicycle is considered a motor vehicle on a public street. I'm not telling you it's safe, I'm just saying they can. Consider it a farm tractor which does basically the same thing. Bicycle riders have rights too. This is one of them. They are also required to follow all traffic rules as well like stop signs and traffic lights. Just like a tractor.

kwg
Furthermore... I will ALWAYS be extremely rude to side by side bicyclists.

I consider it my duty... a kindness if you will... to keep y'all safe.

You are welcome.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

Hell by 2022 we may all be riding bicycles.
The worst offenders that I've seen have been so-called "Century Rides" where some group sets out a 100 mile course and lot of bicycle riders show up. The bicycle riders typically ride across both lanes of 2-lane rural roads and make little effort to yield to motor vehicles. I complained to the Saunders County Sheriff several years ago and he stopped issuing permits after several other people also complained about the bicycle riders riding 8 to 10 abreast, effectively blocking traffic.

I wouldn't want to see a bicycle rider get injured or killed, but I can see how it could easily happen if they don't ride single file.
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

You did if you bought fuel.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

So that’s a “no”.

They use public roadways payed for with Federal excise tax dollars, vehicle licenses and registration fees and fuel tax.
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

Another reason that cyclists ride two abreast is to make themselves more visible. Given that nearly every motorist that mows down a cyclist from behind says "I didn't see them," riding side by side gives the idiot motorist a more to see. That and the fact that on narrow roads vehicles passing cyclists on narrow roads will spend less time in the oncoming lane if cyclists are riding abreast is NOT sophistry. It's a simple reality.


Why would you come up on them at 55MPH? How do you know they flipped you off?
Humm, arguing over who owns the road...reminds me of sumtin.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

Another reason that cyclists ride two abreast is to make themselves more visible. Given that nearly every motorist that mows down a cyclist from behind says "I didn't see them," riding side by side gives the idiot motorist a more to see. That and the fact that on narrow roads vehicles passing cyclists on narrow roads will spend less time in the oncoming lane if cyclists are riding abreast is NOT sophistry. It's a simple reality.


?

Bull Schit,
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

So that’s a “no”.

They use public roadways payed for with Federal excise tax dollars, vehicle licenses and registration fees and fuel tax.

The taxes that they pay that go into the general fund, pay for the construction and maintenance of federal and state roadways. How is that difficult to comprehend? The money they pay in property taxes and sales taxes funds county an municipality roadways. How in the piss that equals "they don't pay taxes" is a mystery.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

Another reason that cyclists ride two abreast is to make themselves more visible. Given that nearly every motorist that mows down a cyclist from behind says "I didn't see them," riding side by side gives the idiot motorist a more to see. That and the fact that on narrow roads vehicles passing cyclists on narrow roads will spend less time in the oncoming lane if cyclists are riding abreast is NOT sophistry. It's a simple reality.


?

Bull Schit,

Which part is bullschidt?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.

I'd be very surprised if Tuscon averaged one a month.
Litterbugs should be gravely punished .... especially the ones that do it intentionally.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.



Azzhole cyclist around here needs more thrown at them than trash, more like bricks
That camera runs full time because the f a g using it knows his actions elicit negative responses from motorists.

Somebody tossed a crumpled empty bag and empty Dasani bottle his way for some humor.

Zippity-fugkin-do-dah.
Originally Posted by deflave
That camera runs full time because the f a g using it knows his actions elicit illegal actions from motorists with a low emotional IQ.

Yep.
Cyclists can come up with all kind of rules, rights , etc for their actions on the highways.

However, cyclists are by far ,too stupid to stay out of harms way.

Riding out of single file on any road is looking for a run on with vehicle traffic.

Instead of throwing garbage .....a large industrial broom should be used for keeping cyclists in line.
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.



Azzhole cyclist around here needs more thrown at them than trash, more like bricks

What is the longest you have ever been held up by a cyclist? How often are you held up by cyclists?
Originally Posted by cisco1
Cyclists can come up with all kind of rules, rights , etc for their actions on the highways.

However, cyclists are by far ,too stupid to stay out of harms way.

Riding out of single file on any road is looking for a run on with vehicle traffic.

Instead of throwing garbage .....a large industrial broom should be used for keeping cyclists in line.

If you don't mind humoring me, describe in as much detail as you can how the motorist in this case would have benefited if the cyclists were in single file? This should be good. FWIW, I bat 1000 with this question eliciting a dumbazz response.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.

I'd be very surprised if Tuscon averaged one a month.
Looks like you're right, but...
https://www.kold.com/story/37063929/cyclists-react-as-tucson-rated-2nd-deadliest-city-in-us/
had one run a stop sign into the side of my truck, tried to convince the cop I was at fault, told the cop he didn't run a stop sign. it was fun seeing him go over the top of my box to bad I dint have a cap on.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.

I'd be very surprised if Tuscon averaged one a month.
https://www.kold.com/story/37063929/cyclists-react-as-tucson-rated-2nd-deadliest-city-in-us/

Four in the year 2016 and one in 2017. Did I read that correctly?
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

LIKE .

Along Hwy.79 Panama City Beach, Fl. there's a bike road 30-40' off to the side of the northbound lane. It's at least 10-12' wide, has enlarged rest stop spots with seats and shade, yet there they are riding on Hwy. 79 . The bike road is in far better shape than the highway road.
As you say there's a significant minority [plenty] of arrogant punks who enjoy being arrogant punks.

I ride a bike a lot for exercise, ride it around the outer perimeter of a retail strip-mall thingy place and on the road behind the place. If a car is coming I get on the sidewalk, maybe I'll get a 6.5 Creedmire and join a roadwarrior bike riding group, live to ride- ride to live bichez.
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.
Originally Posted by steveredd1
had one run a stop sign into the side of my truck, tried to convince the cop I was at fault, told the cop he didn't run a stop sign. it was fun seeing him go over the top of my box to bad I dint have a cap on.

I am not sure what your point is. There are millions of motor vehicle collisions in the USA each year in which one operator failed to yield right of way. There's lots to celebrate there right?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

We’re those litterers cited after recording plates and trash throwers?
50 zillion crossing the border, runaway inflation and gasoline prices, and this is our concern.
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Along Hwy.79 Panama City Beach, Fl. there's a bike road 30-40' off to the side of the northbound lane. It's at least 10-12' wide, has enlarged rest stop spots with seats and shade, yet there they are riding on Hwy. 79 . The bike road is in far better shape than the highway road.
As you say there's a significant minority [plenty] of arrogant punks who enjoy being arrogant punks.

I ride a bike a lot for exercise, ride it around the outer perimeter of a retail strip-mall thingy place and on the road behind the place. If a car is coming I get on the sidewalk, maybe I'll get a 6.5 Creedmire and join a roadwarrior bike riding group, live to ride- ride to live bichez.

I have seen those bike paths and am envious. I would never ride on the main road with that kind of infrastructure available. With that said, as a motorist I doubt seriously that having to negotiate bicyclists on the highway would inconvenience me more than other motorists would on the same trip, and would certainly pose less of a risk than other motorists.
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫
Originally Posted by smokepole
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.
Exactly. So much for conservatives espousing freedom.

Hell, I have a way bigger beef with the giant, ¼-½ mile long groups of attitude-toting Harley riders who clog up the roads doing 53 miles. Try passing those azzholes and they'll try ripping you out of your vehicle and beating your ass for disrespecting them.
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do. But also, arrogant bike riders who want to hog the whole road do not help their cause, and arrogance is just another form of stupidity. So therefore they clash.
Originally Posted by CashisKing
i remember that movie .was about 14 when it came out in 1977 .scared the crap out of me when i saw a big black car after that
In Austin, cyclists shoot other cyclists!

https://www.fox7austin.com/sports/moriah-wilson-murder-kaitlin-armstrong-east-austin-texas

Looks more like a targeted hit though.
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

We’re those litterers cited after recording plates and trash throwers?

I don't know. The footage has been turned over to LE. I suspect they'll get hit with littering charges and for Interestingly and ironically, they will likely suffer greater legal harm from this than they would have if they had run over the cyclists.
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

LIKE .

Along Hwy.79 Panama City Beach, Fl. there's a bike road 30-40' off to the side of the northbound lane. It's at least 10-12' wide, has enlarged rest stop spots with seats and shade, yet there they are riding on Hwy. 79 . The bike road is in far better shape than the highway road.
As you say there's a significant minority [plenty] of arrogant punks who enjoy being arrogant punks.

I ride a bike a lot for exercise, ride it around the outer perimeter of a retail strip-mall thingy place and on the road behind the place. If a car is coming I get on the sidewalk, maybe I'll get a 6.5 Creedmire and join a roadwarrior bike riding group, live to ride- ride to live bichez.


bring a 6.5 Creedmoor to a truck fight, tell be about the outcome
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
There were no cars "held up" in the making of this video.

And the bicyclists are perfectly fine.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I don't know. The footage has been turned over to LE. I suspect they'll get hit with littering charges and for Interestingly and ironically, they will likely suffer greater legal harm from this than they would have if they had run over the cyclists.

I'm sure it's a top priority.

LOL
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I don't know. The footage has been turned over to LE. I suspect they'll get hit with littering charges and for Interestingly and ironically, they will likely suffer greater legal harm from this than they would have if they had run over the cyclists.

I'm sure it's a top priority.

LOL


I think it was racist
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫

I figure it's therapeutic for those who have lycraphobia. I realize it's a stretch, but maybe, just maybe, someone will learn a little about how roads are funded, what the laws are, why cyclists might do what they do etc.

But there's dipschidts like AggrievedSteve90210, when you spell out exactly how cyclist do pay for roads, you get a "nuh uh." Some people are irremediably dumb.
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I don't know. The footage has been turned over to LE. I suspect they'll get hit with littering charges and for Interestingly and ironically, they will likely suffer greater legal harm from this than they would have if they had run over the cyclists.

I'm sure it's a top priority.

LOL


I think it was racist

Now we are getting somewhere. Perhaps a new 'protected class' should be assigned?
I live in a place with a billion bicyclists. Most of the riders you encounter out of town know what they are doing, most of the in town riders are college students and they far more likely to be an idiot and not follow any of the laws, rules and common courtesies. Either way, most people around here are used to dealing with cyclists and it's not a big deal to give them their share of the road.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I don't know. The footage has been turned over to LE. I suspect they'll get hit with littering charges and for Interestingly and ironically, they will likely suffer greater legal harm from this than they would have if they had run over the cyclists.

I'm sure it's a top priority.

LOL

lololol. Cops probably told them to run over the cyclists next time and there won't be nearly the hassle.
Most people don’t like road bikers because they have encountered them before.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫

I figure it's therapeutic for those who have lycraphobia. I realize it's a stretch, but maybe, just maybe, someone will learn a little about how roads are funded, what the laws are, why cyclists might do what they do etc.

But there's dipschidts like AggrievedSteve90210, when you spell out exactly how cyclist do pay for roads, you get a "nuh uh." Some people are irremediably dumb.
You have peeked my curiosity. Just how do you think bicyles help fund highways!
Originally Posted by smokepole
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.

This strikes at the heart of it. People's indignation over the presence of cyclists is far out of proportion to any inconvenience they might suffer.

I could drive from here to a place I often go about 10 miles away. There is a 90% chance I'll miss at least one light cycle on account of a motorist who was dicking with their phone or otherwise didn't go when the light turned green. There's a 90% chance that a motorist will drift out of lane while in my field of view and about a 10% chance one will drift into my lane when I am beside them. There's about a 97.24% chance that a slow moving motorist in the left lane of the interstate will force cars to pass to their right. There's about a 5% chance I'll encounter a bicyclist and a very slim chance I'll have to do anything more than move over to go around them.

But spandex!
Originally Posted by bruinruin
Originally Posted by smokepole
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.
Exactly. So much for conservatives espousing freedom.

Hell, I have a way bigger beef with the giant, ¼-½ mile long groups of attitude-toting Harley riders who clog up the roads doing 53 miles. Try passing those azzholes and they'll try ripping you out of your vehicle and beating your ass for disrespecting them.

This is a freedom loving group until a bicyclists is involved. Then they scream for more taxes, more government and less freedom. I have always found that amusing.
we have a bike lane on the back road that goes past my sub-division to the stop light at the 4 lane main road .Bicyclist instead of riding in the bike lane willl ride right on the white line forcing cars to be closer to them, because they cant get over when car comes from opposite direction,.cyclist get mad and yell things ,idiots ,when they get to the red light ,if nobody coming cyclist will ride thru the red light while we sit there ,but cyclist are supposed to fallow the same laws we do .So their fussing at car drivers ,about slights ,but they purposly bring a lot of it on their selves
Originally Posted by Heym06
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫

I figure it's therapeutic for those who have lycraphobia. I realize it's a stretch, but maybe, just maybe, someone will learn a little about how roads are funded, what the laws are, why cyclists might do what they do etc.

But there's dipschidts like AggrievedSteve90210, when you spell out exactly how cyclist do pay for roads, you get a "nuh uh." Some people are irremediably dumb.
You have peeked my curiosity. Just how do you think bicyles help fund highways!

Read the thread. I have explained twice.
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
No schidt...
MI laws dictate that they must be as far right on the road as possible, can ride only two abreast. Vehicles have to give them a 3' clearance when overtaking riders.

I called out the fūcktard on fakebook who organizes these rides and mentioned they should try to follow state laws regarding riding bikes on roads, he claimed that he briefs all riders before they start a ride. Ya, okay. You can see how well THAT works...
And they're supposed to obey all traffic signs INCLUDING STOP SIGNS. 🤣
Originally Posted by cuznguido
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do.

The typical rager is a middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cuznguido
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do.

The typical rager is a middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male.

Now do typical cyclist.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.

I'd be very surprised if Tuscon averaged one a month.
Looks like you're right, but...
https://www.kold.com/story/37063929/cyclists-react-as-tucson-rated-2nd-deadliest-city-in-us/

Those numbers are from 2017 and I didn't see where they counted the total number of incidents, only fatalities. I contend it is a bad idea because the bicyclist is at a considerable disadvantage and this is mentioned in the article. The mom who takes her kid with her on her bike admits she tries to choose routes with less traffic and slower moving traffic. This is responsible behavior on her part. Tucson is considered the most dangerous city for bicyclists per the article.
I don't know all the ways roads are funded, but fuel tax is the major source of funding. Electric vehicles and bicyclists don't buy fuel so they don't contribute in that manner. I don't have the answer but I think bicyclists need to realize they are at a distinct disadvantage and therefore need to take responsibility for their own safety. Expecting everyone else to watch out for them and obey the law is short sighted and can have serious consequences.
Paul,
To answer your question , the cyclists should ride single file to use as little road as possible for the cyclists safety, as well as keeping a motorist from having to deal with an accident , caused by cyclists with an attitude.

As far as batting 1000, you will have a dumbazz response.

I would bat you over with my broom. Got it???????
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul,

I live on a country road that is on a hill that has a state park look out at the top. It is on the edge of wine country outside the Portland metro area. We get LOTS of bicyclists. LOTS. LOOOOOOOTS.

So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry.

Most of them that I encounter are courteous and are single file. I try to be courteous as well.

However there is a significant minority of them that are arrogant pricks. You know that as well. I've been flipped off more than once because I come upon them a 55+ while they are climbing the hill at 5mph scattered all over the lane, chumming it up with their fellow bikers, and passed them in the on-coming lane. I'd love to confront them, but usually I'm carrying and I don't want to get into a situation. Or they are zooming down the road at 40+ in blind curves and almost hit me pulling out of my drive. And be sure that I'm REAL cautious pulling out of the drive.

Cyclists NEED to understand physics. The also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff. Not just blame the automobile driver.

And the laws need to be changed to reflect physics.

Cyclists should also have to pay a road-mile tax to support the roads. Their logic that, "We already pay taxes" is stupid and is reflected in the abreast in the lane logic as well. Sorry, got me riled.

BTW why is it that a slow moving farm vehicle is required to display on of the triangle devices while road driving, but not bikes?

Another reason that cyclists ride two abreast is to make themselves more visible. Given that nearly every motorist that mows down a cyclist from behind says "I didn't see them," riding side by side gives the idiot motorist a more to see. That and the fact that on narrow roads vehicles passing cyclists on narrow roads will spend less time in the oncoming lane if cyclists are riding abreast is NOT sophistry. It's a simple reality.


Why would you come up on them at 55MPH? How do you know they flipped you off?

Paul, because the speed limit and normal traffic speed is 55. I also have a rear view mirror.

See my previous statements, "So I understand the logic that cyclists try use to justify the whole abreast issue. Frankly, it's just sophistry." and "They also they need to call out their own when they are doing stupid and arrogant stuff."
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by smokepole
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.

This strikes at the heart of it. People's indignation over the presence of cyclists is far out of proportion to any inconvenience they might suffer.

I could drive from here to a place I often go about 10 miles away. There is a 90% chance I'll miss at least one light cycle on account of a motorist who was dicking with their phone or otherwise didn't go when the light turned green. There's a 90% chance that a motorist will drift out of lane while in my field of view and about a 10% chance one will drift into my lane when I am beside them. There's about a 97.24% chance that a slow moving motorist in the left lane of the interstate will force cars to pass to their right. There's about a 5% chance I'll encounter a bicyclist and a very slim chance I'll have to do anything more than move over to go around them.

But spandex!


Exactly. Spandex really pisses me off. On a man, LOL!!
I’m more irritated by Marching Band fágs than cyclists.


Neither of which is a big deal out char in the country.
Yeah, a marching band flag might be tho only thing gayer than spandex on a man.
This space reserved for the hilarious “roll coal” footage.
Originally Posted by slumlord
I’m more irritated by Marching Band fágs than cyclists.


Neither of which is a big deal out char in the country.

Marching bands sound like America!
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I have seen those bike paths and am envious. I would never ride on the main road with that kind of infrastructure available.

And yet you are unwilling to tax cyclists to pay for it.
Two cents ain’t wort a piece of bubblegum anymore , but here it is .
Seems silly to think that the law says the bike has the same ROW as vehicles .
You’ll sue the sob that hits you ?
Let me know how much you’re enjoying that money crippled up .
Got nothing against people bycycling , done it myself , but on country dirt roads were I weren’t likely to get between a rock and hard spot .
Espeacially areas like much of NOVA , a lot of fugged up , distracted , and [bleep] attitudes toward other people on the road .
Ain’t worth the risks to me , but like I said , two cents ain’t worth much .
Kenneth
Read the comments before seeing the video. Given the purse clutching I anticipated something…… more.

Call out the national guard. Peddle biker had a napkin and empty water bottle tossed at them. I hope they were able to get counseling and meds to help them through the PTSD they surely suffered.
PaulBarnard: After enduring 29 years of law enforcement duties which included countless "vehicles vs. bicycles" accidents (and tending to the resulting horrific injuries!) investigations I long ago came to the conclusion that bicycles have NO place what so ever on public highways and freeways!
PERIOD!
This is not "rage" it is common sense and based on concern for the safety of my fellow humans!
Having said that some bicycling on streets and county dirt roads should be tolerated where safety is good (wide shoulders, low speed limits etc) and I fully endorse the building of bicycle paved trails and exercise areas.
Speaking of exercising "I" invite to you come stay at my home and participate in one of the most beautiful bicycle charity events on earth!
I have enclosed a link to this annual event that starts and finishes in my hometown (Dillon, Montana) and is called "The R.A.T.P.O.D. Race" (Ride Around The Pioneers in One Day).
It is a 131 mile endurance race that starts here at an elevation of 5,100' and climbs up and over two mountain passes (elevations of 6,760' and 7,400'!) and travels around the Pioneer Range of the Rocky Mountains!
This race is so popular amongst "bicycle types" that they no longer advertise for it, as they always have more applicants than the public safety officers here in our county allow to be in the "race".
Be sure and scroll down and look at the beautiful vistas you will be bicycling by as you SUFFER along.
Let me know if you will be attending and I will be your "host" and I will be there at the finish line taking your picture as you barf and gasp for air.

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/Ratpod-Ride-Around-The-Pioneers-in-One-Day-139754979414273/

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by 45_100
Not defending the people throwing trash but mixing automobiles and bicycles is a bad idea. Tucson considers itself bicycle friendly and has bicycle lanes. There are accidents at least once a week and the automobile always wins. Don't know the answer.

Serious question, what makes it a bad idea in your mind?
Tucson is indeed a bike friendly town with lots of bikes on the roads as well as non motorized bike trails, but if you watch the local news it's rare for a week to go by without at least one bicyclist fatality.

I'd be very surprised if Tuscon averaged one a month.
From today's news, I shouldn't have specified fatalities.
https://www.kold.com/2022/05/20/pol...hit-and-run-crash-houghton-tanque-verde/
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Read the comments before seeing the video. Given the purse clutching I anticipated something…… more.

Call out the national guard. Peddle biker had a napkin and empty water bottle tossed at them. I hope they were able to get counseling and meds to help them through the PTSD they surely suffered.

A video like this is a fail without ketchup.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
PaulBarnard: After enduring 29 years of law enforcement duties which included countless "vehicles vs. bicycles" accident (and tending to the resulting horrific injuries!) investigations I long ago came to the conclusion that bicycles have NO place what so ever on public highways and freeways!
PERIOD!
This is not "rage" it is common sense and based on concern for the safety of my fellow humans!
Having said that some bicycling on streets and county dirt roads should be tolerated where safety is good (wide shoulders, low speed limits etc) and I fully endorse the building of bicycle paved trails and exercise areas.
Speaking of exercising "I" invite to you come stay at my home and participate in one of the most beautiful bicycle charity events on earth!
I have enclosed a link to this annual event that starts and finishes in my hometown (Dillon, Montana) and is called "The R.A.T.P.O.D. Race" (Ride Around The Pioneers in One Day).
It is a 131 mile endurance race that starts here at an elevation of 5,100' and climbs up and over two mountain passes (elevations of 6,760' and 7,400'!) and travels around the Pioneer Range of the Rocky Mountains!
This race is so popular amongst "bicycle types" that they no longer advertise for it, as they always have more applicants than the public safety officers here in our county allow to be in the "race".
Be sure and scroll down and look at the beautiful vistas you will be bicycling by as you SUFFER along.
Let me know if you will be attending and I will be your "host" and I will be there at the finish line taking your picture as you barf and gasp for air.

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/Ratpod-Ride-Around-The-Pioneers-in-One-Day-139754979414273/

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

It's invitations like these that make the Campfire what it is.
I honestly don't care if they're allowed to use the road. I hate them. I hate everything about them, that they impede traffic, the gay looking spandex, helmets and shoes, that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. Even God hates bicyclists.
Originally Posted by slumlord
I’m more irritated by Marching Band fágs than cyclists.


Neither of which is a big deal out char in the country.
Next time the USMC band is in town be sure and let em know how you feel.
Kingston: I have hosted MANY CampFirers here at our home in the last 20+ years.
I have enjoyed hosting them all and hope to do more.
I hosted a Varmint Hunter just last week from Paul Barnards neck'o the woods (New Orleans!) and even though he is not a CampFirer he just LOVES his time spent here every year or so as it is so "different and beautiful" here in SW Montana (as compared to the flattish humid place he lives and works in).
You are welcome anytime as well.
Long live the CampFire.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

Just like here in Oregon, where they just flash thru a stop sign and then are shocked when they get hit...

they are democRats and think they are saving the planet and being green, therefore nothing ( include common sense) means anything to them
because they think they are a privileged class...

all I know is if a 200 lb lefty on a 50 pound bike doing 10 mph, pulls right out in front of a 5000 pound pickup doing 10 mph, I'm pretty sure you don't have to be a physicist to figure out what the outcome of that is going to be....

I respect cyclists and yield the right of way to them.. occasionally I go out and ride a bike.... but they also need to put a little common sense into the mix... they pull out in front of a vehicle, its their fault, not the driver of the vehicle...spend the rest of their life in a wheel chair, doesn't really matter how big of an insurance settlement the court awards them....
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫

I figure it's therapeutic for those who have lycraphobia. I realize it's a stretch,
I can't believe you got away with that one.
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Originally Posted by Steve
Paul, because the speed limit and normal traffic speed is 55. I also have a rear view mirror.


Why don't you lift off the gas as you approach them so that you don't run up on them with as much speed disparity. I have rear view mirrors too, but I don't normally look in them after I pass other vehicles. Unless maybe it's a good looking gal on a bicycle.
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I have seen those bike paths and am envious. I would never ride on the main road with that kind of infrastructure available.

And yet you are unwilling to tax cyclists to pay for it.

Tell me how those parallel paths are funded.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I have seen those bike paths and am envious. I would never ride on the main road with that kind of infrastructure available.

And yet you are unwilling to tax cyclists to pay for it.

Tell me how those parallel paths are funded.

Here in Oregon they are funded through transportation funds (i.e., gas taxes).
Originally Posted by cisco1
Paul,
To answer your question , the cyclists should ride single file to use as little road as possible for the cyclists safety, as well as keeping a motorist from having to deal with an accident , caused by cyclists with an attitude.

As far as batting 1000, you will have a dumbazz response.

I am a mouth breathing idiot with a low emotional IQ, got it???????

Yep. Still batting 1000.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Paul, because the speed limit and normal traffic speed is 55. I also have a rear view mirror.


Why don't you lift off the gas as you approach them so that you don't run up on them with as much speed disparity. I have rear view mirrors too, but I don't normally look in them after I pass other vehicles. Unless maybe it's a good looking gal on a bicycle.


Don't be obtuse.
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cuznguido
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do.

The typical rager is a middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male.

Now do typical cyclist.

There is no typical cyclist. Within the different cycling disciplines, there are some commonalities. The bike messenger discipline is full of riders who typically give zero schidts about any law or anyone else.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cuznguido
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do.

The typical rager is a middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male.

Now do typical cyclist.

There is no typical cyclist. Within the different cycling disciplines, there are some commonalities. The bike messenger discipline is full of riders who typically give zero schidts about any law or anyone else.

Typical cyclist ‘ I am more nuanced and superior’ answer. Thank you.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. .

Tell me about the time you were most inconvenienced by a bicyclist or bicyclists.

Most road users break the law on a regular basis.

https://bicyclecoalition.org/study-shows-cyclists-motorists-break-law-rate-anti-cyclist-angst/
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
PaulBarnard: After enduring 29 years of law enforcement duties which included countless "vehicles vs. bicycles" accidents (and tending to the resulting horrific injuries!) investigations I long ago came to the conclusion that bicycles have NO place what so ever on public highways and freeways!
PERIOD!
This is not "rage" it is common sense and based on concern for the safety of my fellow humans!
Having said that some bicycling on streets and county dirt roads should be tolerated where safety is good (wide shoulders, low speed limits etc) and I fully endorse the building of bicycle paved trails and exercise areas.
Speaking of exercising "I" invite to you come stay at my home and participate in one of the most beautiful bicycle charity events on earth!
I have enclosed a link to this annual event that starts and finishes in my hometown (Dillon, Montana) and is called "The R.A.T.P.O.D. Race" (Ride Around The Pioneers in One Day).
It is a 131 mile endurance race that starts here at an elevation of 5,100' and climbs up and over two mountain passes (elevations of 6,760' and 7,400'!) and travels around the Pioneer Range of the Rocky Mountains!
This race is so popular amongst "bicycle types" that they no longer advertise for it, as they always have more applicants than the public safety officers here in our county allow to be in the "race".
Be sure and scroll down and look at the beautiful vistas you will be bicycling by as you SUFFER along.
Let me know if you will be attending and I will be your "host" and I will be there at the finish line taking your picture as you barf and gasp for air.

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/Ratpod-Ride-Around-The-Pioneers-in-One-Day-139754979414273/

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Thanks for the offer, but I am not in any kind of condition to tackle that kind of ride.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Chumming the waters again, eh Paul?

Lol

🦫

I figure it's therapeutic for those who have lycraphobia. I realize it's a stretch,
I can't believe you got away with that one.

I as wondering how long it would take.
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I have seen those bike paths and am envious. I would never ride on the main road with that kind of infrastructure available.

And yet you are unwilling to tax cyclists to pay for it.

Tell me how those parallel paths are funded.

Here in Oregon they are funded through transportation funds (i.e., gas taxes).

No general fund money, property tax money, ad valorem money etc? Any time I have bothered with digging into the funding of bicycle infrastructure, I have found that it comes from multiple sources.

Edit to add. https://www.oregon.gov/lcd/Publications/WalkBikeFunding.pdf
Bikers could ride around these huge school parking lots, on
week-ends when nobody is there. grin
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. .

Tell me about the time you were most inconvenienced by a bicyclist or bicyclists.

Most road users break the law on a regular basis.

https://bicyclecoalition.org/study-shows-cyclists-motorists-break-law-rate-anti-cyclist-angst/
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.

I do applaud you for owning your emotional midgetry. I am going to guess white, middle aged, poorly educated, out of shape, white male.
Originally Posted by Backroads
Most people don’t like road bikers because they have encountered them before.

A very fair assessment.

Generally... bike folks are fairly reasonable and receive in kind consideration from most.

Dickheads like these bike guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing. In the same way BLM knows EXACTLY what it is doing when it walks in the highway.

Paul can "soft shoe" this chit until the cows come home, but it will not change the facts...

Dickheads provoke chit deliberately...

Whine like bitches when they don't get what they want...

And George Floyd was stoned out of his mind... resisted arrest with great physicality... and died because of that decision accordingly.

So be it...

Ride your bike any way you see fit... wear pink silky yoga pants if ya want.

Your life... Your decisions!
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. .

Tell me about the time you were most inconvenienced by a bicyclist or bicyclists.

Most road users break the law on a regular basis.

https://bicyclecoalition.org/study-shows-cyclists-motorists-break-law-rate-anti-cyclist-angst/
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.
You'd really hate it up here in Northern Michigan when all the tourists show up every summer and forget how to drive and where they're going.
Originally Posted by bruinruin
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. .

Tell me about the time you were most inconvenienced by a bicyclist or bicyclists.

Most road users break the law on a regular basis.

https://bicyclecoalition.org/study-shows-cyclists-motorists-break-law-rate-anti-cyclist-angst/
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.
You'd really hate it up here in Northern Michigan when all the tourists show up every summer and forget how to drive and where they're going.

But Spandex, and he saw a cyclist "blow through" a stop sign one time.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.

I do applaud you for owning your emotional midgetry. I am going to guess white, middle aged, poorly educated, out of shape, white male.
Nope, you're wrong on nearly all of those. I admit that I do lack empathy for anything other than children or animals and despise sharing my world with those that I deem unworthy of it. And that would be adults that I don't know. I don't know their dreams, aspirations or anything therefore they are nothing to me but an inconvenience, extra time in traffic, a longer wait in the line at the store, some yahoo turning left when I need to go straight.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
I honestly don't care if they're allowed to use the road. I hate them. I hate everything about them, that they impede traffic, the gay looking spandex, helmets and shoes, that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. Even God hates bicyclists.

That don't follow the traffic laws is gospel
Originally Posted by 007FJ
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
I honestly don't care if they're allowed to use the road. I hate them. I hate everything about them, that they impede traffic, the gay looking spandex, helmets and shoes, that they usually don't follow any traffic laws/signals and they're just a flat out nuisance. Even God hates bicyclists.

That don't follow the traffic laws is gospel

For ALL road users at an equal rate. https://bicyclecoalition.org/study-shows-cyclists-motorists-break-law-rate-anti-cyclist-angst/

The only difference is that when cyclists break the law they pose a much lower risk to other road users.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.

I do applaud you for owning your emotional midgetry. I am going to guess white, middle aged, poorly educated, out of shape, white male.
Nope, you're wrong on nearly all of those. I admit that I do lack empathy for anything other than children or animals and despise sharing my world with those that I deem unworthy of it. And that would be adults that I don't know. I don't know their dreams, aspirations or anything therefore they are nothing to me but an inconvenience, extra time in traffic, a longer wait in the line at the store, some yahoo turning left when I need to go straight.


It's painfully obvious that I was spot on with the emotional intelligence deficit. You are a male, you are white. That leaves middle aged, poorly educated and out of shape. Not between 45-65? In good physical shape? If so give me an example of how you think you are in good physical shape. If I am wrong on the well educated, I get that. There are a lot of very well educated liberals that are dumber than a basket full of vibrators.
I'm sure glad the pedal biker in the vid survived. That was a harrowing experience they can tell their grandchildren? And even on video, that's amazing.
On track to become the second greatest attention whore thread of all time! (Apologies to safariman)
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I'm sure glad the pedal biker in the vid survived. That was a harrowing experience they can tell their grandchildren? And even on video, that's amazing.

It would suit me well if LE would give the driver and passenger 2 choices. Clean up trash along that roadway one day a week for a year or to be dropped off in a remote location with the group of cyclists with a promise of no repercussions for anyone. Something tells me they'd bail quickly on their bully mentality.
Originally Posted by Timbermaster
On track to become the second greatest attention whore thread of all time! (Apologies to safariman)

Great post.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I'm sure glad the pedal biker in the vid survived. That was a harrowing experience they can tell their grandchildren? And even on video, that's amazing.

A paper bag and empty Dasani bottle.

LOL

“I’m posting THIS!!!!”

LOL
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by smokepole
Say what you want about bikers on roads. I don't do it and I've had a few choice words for those that have slowed up traffic but it's what you call a first world problem if you're delayed a minute here and there.

I don't understand anyone throwing stuff at them, seems like a very low level of impulse control.

This strikes at the heart of it. People's indignation over the presence of cyclists is far out of proportion to any inconvenience they might suffer.

I could drive from here to a place I often go about 10 miles away. There is a 90% chance I'll miss at least one light cycle on account of a motorist who was dicking with their phone or otherwise didn't go when the light turned green. There's a 90% chance that a motorist will drift out of lane while in my field of view and about a 10% chance one will drift into my lane when I am beside them. There's about a 97.24% chance that a slow moving motorist in the left lane of the interstate will force cars to pass to their right. There's about a 5% chance I'll encounter a bicyclist and a very slim chance I'll have to do anything more than move over to go around them.

But spandex!


Exactly. Spandex really pisses me off. On a man, LOL!!


that's for gay people
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.

I do applaud you for owning your emotional midgetry. I am going to guess white, middle aged, poorly educated, out of shape, white male.
Nope, you're wrong on nearly all of those. I admit that I do lack empathy for anything other than children or animals and despise sharing my world with those that I deem unworthy of it. And that would be adults that I don't know. I don't know their dreams, aspirations or anything therefore they are nothing to me but an inconvenience, extra time in traffic, a longer wait in the line at the store, some yahoo turning left when I need to go straight.


It's painfully obvious that I was spot on with the emotional intelligence deficit. You are a male, you are white. That leaves middle aged, poorly educated and out of shape. Not between 45-65? In good physical shape? If so give me an example of how you think you are in good physical shape. If I am wrong on the well educated, I get that. There are a lot of very well educated liberals that are dumber than a basket full of vibrators.
The only part you got correct is that im a white male. Theres no reason to delve into the rest as I'm surely not a liberal. I am an [bleep], admittedly and you seem to be bent out of shape that I'm an honest [bleep]. I don't like bicyclists, whether or not my reasoning is unreasonable or not is moot. I wouldn't throw anything at them but they do get on my nerves for the reasons that I listed. I also hate the d!cks that stand at the gas station buying scratch offs in complete oblivion to the line of irritated people forming behind them. Again. Inconvenience.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I'm sure glad the pedal biker in the vid survived. That was a harrowing experience they can tell their grandchildren? And even on video, that's amazing.

It would suit me well if LE would give the driver and passenger 2 choices. Clean up trash along that roadway one day a week for a year or to be dropped off in a remote location with the group of cyclists with a promise of no repercussions for anyone. Something tells me they'd bail quickly on their bully mentality.


I'm not defending or sympathetic with littering (unless you're on a reservation, then it's mandatory). Nor am I defending picking on fàggots. I just don't see the crisis. If the girls on the bikes get the folks in the car to catch a littering citation that's reasonable. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I'm sure glad the pedal biker in the vid survived. That was a harrowing experience they can tell their grandchildren? And even on video, that's amazing.

... or to be dropped off in a remote location with the group of cyclists with a promise of no repercussions for anyone.

You are suggesting a large group of gay bicyclist should 50:1 a single little bug guy and gang rape him repeatedly?

Seems odd...

...or maybe a Fantasy???
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I am not sure what your point is. There are millions of motor vehicle collisions in the USA each year in which one operator failed to yield right of way. There's lots to celebrate there right?
I'll make a point here...maybe not the one you had in mind...Automobiles are steel cages, weighing in most cases at least 3000 lbs. My truck weighs 6200 lbs. The car/truck is wrapped around you with all sorts of safety devices in the cabin, mainly multiple air bags. When riding a bicycle, you are wrapped around the small alloy frame on two wheels. The impact suffered by people driving cars or trucks is mainly absorbed by the vehicle. The impact when a cyclist wrecks is absorbed by the cyclist. You lose, often your life, even if you are in the right regarding traffic laws.
Originally Posted by Timbermaster
On track to become the second greatest attention whore thread of all time! (Apologies to safariman)

The bitch has hadda change out the "I" key on his keyboard 6 times since gettin on the 'fire.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

It's worth knowing that there are anti-harassment laws written into many state's code.

This is Missouri's 4th degree assault code.

  565.056. Assault in the fourth degree. — 1. A person commits the offense of assault in the fourth degree if:

  (1) The person attempts to cause or recklessly causes physical injury, physical pain, or illness to another person;

  (2) With criminal negligence the person causes physical injury to another person by means of a firearm;

  (3) The person purposely places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury;

  (4) The person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person;

  (5) The person knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical contact with a person with a disability, which a reasonable person, who does not have a disability, would consider offensive or provocative; or

  (6) The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

  2. Except as provided in subsection 3 of this section, assault in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.

  3. Violation of the provisions of subdivision (3) or (6) of subsection 1 of this section is a class C misdemeanor unless the victim is a special victim, as the term "special victim" is defined under section 565.002, in which case a violation of such provisions is a class A misdemeanor.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


I proposed to my state legislator a few years ago that bikes ridden on the road should be registered and have to pay some type of fee for said registration.

There is a pretty extensive rail to trail that runs near me. Pizzed me off that last summer they built a bridge to carry the bicycles and runners over a local roadway to the tune of $1.2MILLION+!!!! while meanwhile our local roads suck!!!
Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I am not sure what your point is. There are millions of motor vehicle collisions in the USA each year in which one operator failed to yield right of way. There's lots to celebrate there right?
I'll make a point here...maybe not the one you had in mind...Automobiles are steel cages, weighing in most cases at least 3000 lbs. My truck weighs 6200 lbs. The car/truck is wrapped around you with all sorts of safety devices in the cabin, mainly multiple air bags. When riding a bicycle, you are wrapped around the small alloy frame on two wheels. The impact suffered by people driving cars or trucks is mainly absorbed by the vehicle. The impact when a cyclist wrecks is absorbed by the cyclist. You lose, often your life, even if you are in the right regarding traffic laws.

Well thank you very much for that Captain Obvious. The rule of gross tonnage. Duh. In the average year fewer than 1000 bicyclists lose their lives in accidents. There are over 40,000 motor vehicle deaths. Should I be afraid of driving too?
Every bicyclist wants be a gangsta until someone throws a Styrofoam cup at him... then he wanna cry and call the PoPo...

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Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
If I have to let off of the accelerator pedal, bump my steering wheel a quarter inch to the left and acknowledge some guy on a bicycle, it pisses me off. I dont like being inconvenienced and especially not by stupid people that are going a fifth of the posted speed limit.

I do applaud you for owning your emotional midgetry. I am going to guess white, middle aged, poorly educated, out of shape, white male.
Nope, you're wrong on nearly all of those. I admit that I do lack empathy for anything other than children or animals and despise sharing my world with those that I deem unworthy of it. And that would be adults that I don't know. I don't know their dreams, aspirations or anything therefore they are nothing to me but an inconvenience, extra time in traffic, a longer wait in the line at the store, some yahoo turning left when I need to go straight.
How do you feel about little old ladies in crosswalks?
7 pages by my count already. This shows a passionate and emotional love/hate for the spandex peddlers.

I think a solution would be for both drivers and bicyclists to carry tasers to nuke each other when either shows a blatant disrespect for traffic laws.

🦫
Originally Posted by marktheshark
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


I proposed to my state legislator a few years ago that bikes ridden on the road should be registered and have to pay some type of fee for said registration.

There is a pretty extensive rail to trail that runs near me. Pizzed me off that last summer they built a bridge to carry the bicycles and runners over a local roadway to the tune of $1.2MILLION+!!!! while meanwhile our local roads suck!!!

This sure is an unlikely forum for finding someone who supports more tax and more government. Should we require pedestrians who walk on the road to be registered and plated too?

Pay up you little fuukking outlaw.

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And there are no azzhole cyclists, and they don’t impede traffic flow which is against the law.
have a buddy that riggedd up a windsheid washer filled with coon urine , just give them a little scent to continue with there ride, priceless
They don't have these problems in Switzerland.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I

But Spandex, and he saw a cyclist "blow through" a stop sign one time.[/quote]

I see far more people on bikes blow thru a stop sign, than I ever see actually stop at one and look both ways... Like I was taught in school, whether you were walking, biking or driving....

around here I'd bet I see 50 cyclists blow thru stop signs, for every one single person who will actually stop at the stop sign before proceeding...

but then we are just 25 miles north of the California line.. and I'd bet most of our cyclists are CA transplants... and they sure a pompous bunch...



I haven't been licensed for decades, but I use to be a Paramedic... and was a highly trained corpsman in the military..
but If I saw some adult on a bike run right thru a stop sign and they got hit by a vehicle.. I doubt I'd have the motivation to even stop to help them..

I'd call 911, but that is about it... Stupid Should Hurt.. its the only thing that is going to teach these idiots a car or truck that weighs 50 times what they weigh isn't going to get hurt when they hit the cyclist...who didn't obey the traffic signs...

shooting right thru an intersection and not stopping, whether on 4 wheels or two wheels, is just plain personally stupid..

so they shouldn't be shocked when the outcome was different than they thought it would be....

do Stupid Things, Win Stupid Prizes...
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. I often have to slam on my breaks because a car is coming in the oncoming lane and I can't get over until that oncoming car (or line of cars) is past. Even if they're not actually in my lane they're often too close for me to be comfortable passing within a foot of them at highway speeds. All it takes is for them to swerve slightly to miss a rock or piece of trash or whatever and I will hit them. I couldn't imagine having that on my conscious for the rest of my life, so it isn't just "their" problem. Two abreast or single file doesn't really matter to me, as there's "good" and bad things about both ways, from a motorists' perspective. I also don't like how they zip around in dedicated bike lanes in towns. It can be really tough to see them when getting into turn lanes.

If I come across them on an open roadway where I see them in plenty of time and no oncoming cars are coming, I don't care too much but it almost never seems to happen that way.

Isn't there a legal minimum speed one must go on federal and many state highways, or at least it could be considered reckless if going real slow? Tractors and such can be a pain here too but I believe by law they're required to have the orange slow moving vehicle triangle and maybe even have flaggers, depending on the location and local laws.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by marktheshark
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


I proposed to my state legislator a few years ago that bikes ridden on the road should be registered and have to pay some type of fee for said registration.

There is a pretty extensive rail to trail that runs near me. Pizzed me off that last summer they built a bridge to carry the bicycles and runners over a local roadway to the tune of $1.2MILLION+!!!! while meanwhile our local roads suck!!!

This sure is an unlikely forum for finding someone who supports more tax and more government. Should we require pedestrians who walk on the road to be registered and plated too?

Pay up you little fuukking outlaw.

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The Real Caption....

Well sure you can have my autograph young man! And I look forward to seeing you after you grow up and join the force also...
you be safe out there....and give my regards to your big tit big sister....
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I am not sure what your point is. There are millions of motor vehicle collisions in the USA each year in which one operator failed to yield right of way. There's lots to celebrate there right?
I'll make a point here...maybe not the one you had in mind...Automobiles are steel cages, weighing in most cases at least 3000 lbs. My truck weighs 6200 lbs. The car/truck is wrapped around you with all sorts of safety devices in the cabin, mainly multiple air bags. When riding a bicycle, you are wrapped around the small alloy frame on two wheels. The impact suffered by people driving cars or trucks is mainly absorbed by the vehicle. The impact when a cyclist wrecks is absorbed by the cyclist. You lose, often your life, even if you are in the right regarding traffic laws.

Well thank you very much for that Captain Obvious. The rule of gross tonnage. Duh. In the average year fewer than 1000 bicyclists lose their lives in accidents. There are over 40,000 motor vehicle deaths. Should I be afraid of driving too?
How many times more motor vehicles are out there.
Originally Posted by steveredd1
have a buddy that riggedd up a windsheid washer filled with coon urine , just give them a little scent to continue with there ride, priceless

ROFLMAO...

Skunk screen would be better... but coon piss is still Rock Start funny
bear spray works great, once you come around the cycleholes, squirt a good stream up n out the window and they roll into the mist

technically you never sprayed anyone, they themselves rolled into it on their own free will, so it's their own damn fault
Originally Posted by Swamplord
bear spray works great, once you come around the cycleholes, squirt a good stream up n out the window and they roll into the mist

technically you never sprayed anyone, they themselves rolled into it on their own free will, so it's their own damn fault

EXCELLENT!

This is becoming a really great thread.

Thanks for starting it Paul!!!
Bikers have a right but they should not cover the whole lane from line to line. At least give a automobile a opportunity to pass and crap wouldn’t happen!
I have all the parts to hookup a cyclists sprayer but never got to it, it's summer out just might have to, wonder if liquid pig schit would go through it
I've ridden a bike for three years overseas to commute back and forth from work. A year in the middle east and two years in europe. I rode on the side of the road and got out of way of traffic (but to be honest, I left so early and late, there wasn't much traffic). I don't own spandex...and never had a problem.

Biker nerd gets on the forums and acts all superior to everyone else because their recreation is spent tying up traffic 'because they can.' They aren't usually going anywhere to do anything....just putting on their 'bike pride' spandex to clog the roads while everyone else it trying to get to Walmart and buy tobacco and gas before POTUS policies raise the prices again before Monday.

The walmartians driving in the cars wonder why don't you bike geeks just go to low travelled roads, or better yet some kind of cycling drome where you can hamster it up there and impress each other with your pride spandex?

The biker nerds respond with weird boolean logic and wonder why they aren't patted on the back and praised.

The average 24 hour camper are like GFY biker...

So, did I get this thread right?
Originally Posted by LeakyWaders
I've ridden a bike for three years overseas to commute back and forth from work. A year in the middle east and two years in europe. I rode on the side of the road and got out of way of traffic (but to be honest, I left so early and late, there wasn't much traffic). I don't own spandex...and never had a problem.

Biker nerd gets on the forums and acts all superior to everyone else because their recreation is spent tying up traffic 'because they can.' They aren't usually going anywhere to do anything....just putting on their 'bike pride' spandex to clog the roads while everyone else it trying to get to Walmart and buy tobacco and gas before POTUS policies raise the prices again before Monday.

The walmartians driving in the cars wonder why don't you bike geeks just go to low travelled roads, or better yet some kind of cycling drome where you can hamster it up there and impress each other with your pride spandex?

The biker nerds respond with weird boolean logic and wonder why they aren't patted on the back and praised.

The average 24 hour camper are like GFY biker...

So, did I get this thread right?


you got it
Originally Posted by Seafire
I see far more people on bikes blow thru a stop sign, than I ever see actually stop at one and look both ways... Like I was taught in school, whether you were walking, biking or driving....

around here I'd bet I see 50 cyclists blow thru stop signs, for every one single person who will actually stop at the stop sign before proceeding...

but then we are just 25 miles north of the California line.. and I'd bet most of our cyclists are CA transplants... and they sure a pompous bunch...



I haven't been licensed for decades, but I use to be a Paramedic... and was a highly trained corpsman in the military..
but If I saw some adult on a bike run right thru a stop sign and they got hit by a vehicle.. I doubt I'd have the motivation to even stop to help them..

I'd call 911, but that is about it... Stupid Should Hurt.. its the only thing that is going to teach these idiots a car or truck that weighs 50 times what they weigh isn't going to get hurt when they hit the cyclist...who didn't obey the traffic signs...

shooting right thru an intersection and not stopping, whether on 4 wheels or two wheels, is just plain personally stupid..

so they shouldn't be shocked when the outcome was different than they thought it would be....

do Stupid Things, Win Stupid Prizes...

Studies show that cyclists and motorist break the law at similar rates. If cyclists were really regularly blowing through stops without looking there's be more fatalities as a consequence. There are very few.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
Two abreast or single file doesn't really matter to me, as there's "good" and bad things about both ways, from a motorists' perspective.

.

That is entirely too reasonable. Where do you get off...?
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .

As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.
Originally Posted by deflave
That camera runs full time because the f a g using it knows his actions elicit negative responses from motorists.

Somebody tossed a crumpled empty bag and empty Dasani bottle his way for some humor.

Zippity-fugkin-do-dah.
This right here!
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .

As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.

So what do you do?
Stop and turn around?
Originally Posted by LeakyWaders
I've ridden a bike for three years overseas to commute back and forth from work. A year in the middle east and two years in europe. I rode on the side of the road and got out of way of traffic (but to be honest, I left so early and late, there wasn't much traffic). I don't own spandex...and never had a problem.

Biker nerd gets on the forums and acts all superior to everyone else because their recreation is spent tying up traffic 'because they can.' They aren't usually going anywhere to do anything....just putting on their 'bike pride' spandex to clog the roads while everyone else it trying to get to Walmart and buy tobacco and gas before POTUS policies raise the prices again before Monday.

The walmartians driving in the cars wonder why don't you bike geeks just go to low travelled roads, or better yet some kind of cycling drome where you can hamster it up there and impress each other with your pride spandex?

The biker nerds respond with weird boolean logic and wonder why they aren't patted on the back and praised.

The average 24 hour camper are like GFY biker...

So, did I get this thread right?

Your IQ is right there with most of the other respondents.
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .

As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.

So what do you do?
Stop and turn around?

What the piss are you talking about?
You
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .

As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.


Or a shítload of inconsiderate entitled fùckknobs on bicycles.
Thank you
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

It's worth knowing that there are anti-harassment laws written into many state's code.

This is Missouri's 4th degree assault code.

  565.056. Assault in the fourth degree. — 1. A person commits the offense of assault in the fourth degree if:

  (1) The person attempts to cause or recklessly causes physical injury, physical pain, or illness to another person;

  (2) With criminal negligence the person causes physical injury to another person by means of a firearm;

  (3) The person purposely places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury;

  (4) The person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person;

  (5) The person knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical contact with a person with a disability, which a reasonable person, who does not have a disability, would consider offensive or provocative; or

  (6) The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

  2. Except as provided in subsection 3 of this section, assault in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.

  3. Violation of the provisions of subdivision (3) or (6) of subsection 1 of this section is a class C misdemeanor unless the victim is a special victim, as the term "special victim" is defined under section 565.002, in which case a violation of such provisions is a class A misdemeanor.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .
As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.
Or a shítload of inconsiderate entitled fùckknobs on bicycles.
At all related to chuckleheads?
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

It's worth knowing that there are anti-harassment laws written into many state's code.

This is Missouri's 4th degree assault code.

  565.056. Assault in the fourth degree. — 1. A person commits the offense of assault in the fourth degree if:

  (1) The person attempts to cause or recklessly causes physical injury, physical pain, or illness to another person;

  (2) With criminal negligence the person causes physical injury to another person by means of a firearm;

  (3) The person purposely places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury;

  (4) The person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person;

  (5) The person knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical contact with a person with a disability, which a reasonable person, who does not have a disability, would consider offensive or provocative; or

  (6) The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

  2. Except as provided in subsection 3 of this section, assault in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.

  3. Violation of the provisions of subdivision (3) or (6) of subsection 1 of this section is a class C misdemeanor unless the victim is a special victim, as the term "special victim" is defined under section 565.002, in which case a violation of such provisions is a class A misdemeanor.

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How cute is it that you and Sparky are on the same team now. Y'all should fugck.
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .
As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.
Or a shítload of inconsiderate entitled fùckknobs on bicycles.
At all related to chuckleheads?

No doubt a subset of chucklehead-ery.


It's a big family.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
How cute is it that you and Sparky are on the same team now. Y'all should fugck.

I've fugked him many times.
Cycloids can be militant occasionally when insisting on exercising their right. I was hauling a crusher between Hope and Salome AZ a few years back and came up behind a large group, plenty of room if they singled up along the fogline...but no, a few of them blocked the eastbound, 82,000 pounds up a 5% grade, no way I can pass, so cars were backing up behind me and 2 or more impatient ones tried to pass...close call, one car made it but didn't see the bikes in front of me, held the center line narrowly escaping a head on. The car following him deliberately went off the highway on the westbound shoulder. They had the wreck cleaned up later when I went by empty, but I don't know if anyone was injured. If they would just work a little and compromise with other drivers, that stuff wouldn't happen.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
How cute is it that you and Sparky are on the same team now. Y'all should fugck.

I've fugked him many times.

Does he bleach?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

Paul,
What you state above about the distribution of taxes collected is not true in Arizona and to my knowledge in most States.

In AZ, not a single penny of property taxes pay for roads.

General sales tax does not pay much for roads either. Almost nothing to roads. If I recall correctly, sales tax pay less than 1% of these taxes revenue collected on roads. I may be mistaken on amount but it’s really really small.

Highway Users Revenue Fund or HURF for short pay for roads. These taxes are what folks call gas tax. And diesel fuel tax. The taxes are distributed for construction and maintenance of roads.

So, those bicyclists using the roads are paying almost nothing for the use of the road. Sure, they pay for sales tax when they buy that bike, but as mentioned, almost none of it goes back to the roads. True, they pay gas tax for when they buy gas for their car, but they get that bike path next to the road for free. So some foreigner visiting Arizona and buying gasoline pays more for that bike path and getting no benefit for said bike path than does the resident who buys gas and is also a bicyclist. The resident buys gas but gets to use the path. Foreigner buys gas but doesn’t use the path.

And in my experience in dealing with bicyclist organizations, they are some of the most narcissistic group of people I have every had to deal with. BTW, I dealt a lot with them in my career. I am also very familiar with various tax funding and how they relate to road construction and maintenance. I have found bicycle organization are very assertive in what they want yet not wanting to pay for what they get - for essentially free.

I don’t particularly like those kind of people.
Originally Posted by flintlocke
Cycloids can be militant occasionally when insisting on exercising their right. I was hauling a crusher between Hope and Salome AZ a few years back and came up behind a large group, plenty of room if they singled up along the fogline...but no, a few of them blocked the eastbound, 82,000 pounds up a 5% grade, no way I can pass, so cars were backing up behind me and 2 or more impatient ones tried to pass...close call, one car made it but didn't see the bikes in front of me, held the center line narrowly escaping a head on. The car following him deliberately went off the highway on the westbound shoulder. They had the wreck cleaned up later when I went by empty, but I don't know if anyone was injured. If they would just work a little and compromise with other drivers, that stuff wouldn't happen.

I don't get why cyclists won't work with motorists when they can. It's often very easy to work traffic around. If you had come up behind me, I'd would have got the hell out of the way as soon as I reasonably could. That's one of the beauties of a bike, it's so damn easy to make a small obstacle of yourself.
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

Paul,
What you state above about the distribution of taxes collected is not true in Arizona and to my knowledge in most States.

In AZ, not a single penny of property taxes pay for roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

Paul,
What you state above about the distribution of taxes collected is not true in Arizona and to my knowledge in most States.

In AZ, not a single penny of property taxes pay for roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

Thanks for making my point, Paul.

As mentioned in the website you attached, gas and diesel fuel taxes pay for road construction and maintenance. No mention in the article in how that bicyclist pays for that bike path on the shoulder of the road. Because those bicyclist aren’t taxed or pay any user fees for that path. The people buying gas and diesel are paying for it.
There is a % of bike riders that are attention seeking virtue signaling narcissists. I see a similarity to there being a % of Black people that are feral sociopaths. In both cases I feel kind of bad for the decent and honorable members of either group.
UPDATE:

Nothing happened in the video.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

It's worth knowing that there are anti-harassment laws written into many state's code.

This is Missouri's 4th degree assault code.

  565.056. Assault in the fourth degree. — 1. A person commits the offense of assault in the fourth degree if:

  (1) The person attempts to cause or recklessly causes physical injury, physical pain, or illness to another person;

  (2) With criminal negligence the person causes physical injury to another person by means of a firearm;

  (3) The person purposely places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury;

  (4) The person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person;

  (5) The person knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical contact with a person with a disability, which a reasonable person, who does not have a disability, would consider offensive or provocative; or

  (6) The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

  2. Except as provided in subsection 3 of this section, assault in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.

  3. Violation of the provisions of subdivision (3) or (6) of subsection 1 of this section is a class C misdemeanor unless the victim is a special victim, as the term "special victim" is defined under section 565.002, in which case a violation of such provisions is a class A misdemeanor.

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the bicyclists flag
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

Paul,
What you state above about the distribution of taxes collected is not true in Arizona and to my knowledge in most States.

In AZ, not a single penny of property taxes pay for roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

Thanks for making my point, Paul.

As mentioned in the website you attached, gas and diesel fuel taxes pay for road construction and maintenance. .

According to the link, in AZ those taxes and fees add up to a grand total of 47.3 percent of the funding. Where does the rest of the funding come from?
More reading for the "bicyclists don't pay for roads" crowd.

https://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Who%20Pays%20for%20Roads%20vUS.pdf
That video was disgusting.

They should have thrown something biodegradable like apples or old bananas or dog [bleep].

I can't stans people who litter.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Do these cyclists that occupy tax payer funded road ways, pay vehicle taxes and use taxes, or are they getting a free ride, no pun intended.


They pay tax when they buy their bikes. The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state and federal roadways. General fund moneys that ALL taxpayers kick into are used to build and fund federal and state roadways. Property taxes and ad valorem taxes are the primary source of funding for county and local roads. Moreover, most cyclists do have motor vehicles and pay gas tax when they put fuel in those motor vehicles.

Interestingly Steve, I have never paid a penny for your local streets, so if I were to drive on them, your local bicyclists would have more of a "right" to them than I would.

Paul,
What you state above about the distribution of taxes collected is not true in Arizona and to my knowledge in most States.

In AZ, not a single penny of property taxes pay for roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

Thanks for making my point, Paul.

As mentioned in the website you attached, gas and diesel fuel taxes pay for road construction and maintenance. .

According to the link, in AZ those taxes and fees add up to a grand total of 47.3 percent of the funding. Where does the rest of the funding come from?

The Federal government.

Per gallon, HURF collects 36 cents per gallon of fuel. Eighteen cents goes to the Federal government, specifically FHWA. They then send it back to the States for funding highway and freeway construction essentially based on a priority of needs ranking system. The other 18 cents per gallon goes to the State the tax was collected in. They distribute it from there. Most of it again for highway construction or improvements. Sadly, a relatively small portion goes to maintenance as it is cooler to build new then maintain what you already got. Much like in our personal lives - it’s a lot more fun and sexy to buy a new car than maintain the car you got.

So when they build or maintain those bike paths attached to the road, HURF pays for it.
This video showed a wide sidewalk or bike path. Why weren't they riding on that instead of the highway?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
More reading for the "bicyclists don't pay for roads" crowd.

https://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Who%20Pays%20for%20Roads%20vUS.pdf

In reading that website, it says people who generally pay taxes pay for bike paths. It doesn’t say general taxes or sales pay for the path along a road.

I’m telling you, HURF pays for that path.

And bicycles don’t buy gasoline or diesel fuel last time I checked. At least, I haven’t seen a fuel tank on 10 speed or mountain bikes.

Those are called motorcycles. And they go a lot faster than a bicyclist.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

That’s a good camera. Pretty good resolution on those screen grabs!
lol
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
This video showed a wide sidewalk or bike path. Why weren't they riding on that instead of the highway?

They weren't riding on a highway. They were riding a low traffic density 35 MPH road approaching an overpass. The sideWALK ended just a few hundred feet from where they were.
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

That’s a good camera. Pretty good resolution on those screen grabs!
lol

More and more cyclists are using them. I think it's probably best that everyone carries on as if their every action was being recorded.
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
More reading for the "bicyclists don't pay for roads" crowd.

https://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Who%20Pays%20for%20Roads%20vUS.pdf

In reading that website, it says people who generally pay taxes pay for bike paths. It doesn’t say general taxes or sales pay for the path along a road.

I’m telling you, HURF pays for that path.

And bicycles don’t buy gasoline or diesel fuel last time I checked. At least, I haven’t seen a fuel tank on 10 speed or mountain bikes.

Those are called motorcycles. And they go a lot faster than a bicyclist.

So, here I am stuck between deciding whether to believe the volumes that I have read that clearly lay out how bicyclists pay for roads and highways or believing a guy on the internet who says "nuh-uh." Damn man, this is tough. lololol
Legally, in most places, they can’t ride a bike on a sidewalk. Legally.

And they often don’t like to ride in that path next to the road because traffic blows gravel and debris onto that path and they find it annoying and uncomfortable with their road bike tires at 100 PSI.

So they often ride at he white edge line as the speed of the traffic kinda keeps it cleaner tha the path itself.

So they call the local road maintenance department and yell at them to sweep their path. You know, the path they don’t pay for.

And that is priority #1,021 on their list of things to do for that road maintenance department.
https://www.tcsfuel.com/blog/the-highway-trust-fund/#:~:text=However%2C%20funding%20those%20repairs%20and,roads%20and%20state%20highway%20infrastructures.

"However, funding those repairs and improvements comes from more than just collecting gas taxes paid by those driving a vehicle. These days, general taxes paid by all taxpayers such as income and sales taxes are just as instrumental as gas taxes to fund local roads and state highway infrastructures."

or "nuh uh"

Which should I choose?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
More reading for the "bicyclists don't pay for roads" crowd.

https://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Who%20Pays%20for%20Roads%20vUS.pdf

In reading that website, it says people who generally pay taxes pay for bike paths. It doesn’t say general taxes or sales pay for the path along a road.

I’m telling you, HURF pays for that path.

And bicycles don’t buy gasoline or diesel fuel last time I checked. At least, I haven’t seen a fuel tank on 10 speed or mountain bikes.

Those are called motorcycles. And they go a lot faster than a bicyclist.

So here I am stuck between deciding whether the volumes that I have read that clearly lay out how bicyclists pay for roads and highways or believing a guy on the internet who says "nuh-uh." Damn man, this is tough. lololol

You do what you wanna do Paul. I am just trying to educate you. I have have a 35 year career in transportation planning, construction, and maintenance by the way. If you wanna believe what you dig all over the internet to support your point, you go right ahead.

I am telling you from first hand experience.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
https://www.tcsfuel.com/blog/the-highway-trust-fund/#:~:text=However%2C%20funding%20those%20repairs%20and,roads%20and%20state%20highway%20infrastructures.

"However, funding those repairs and improvements comes from more than just collecting gas taxes paid by those driving a vehicle. These days, general taxes paid by all taxpayers such as income and sales taxes are just as instrumental as gas taxes to fund local roads and state highway infrastructures."

or "nuh uh"

Which should I choose?

General taxes paid such as income and sales taxes don’t really fund bike paths. If you think they do to any real consequence, I have some beach front property out here in AZ I would like to sell you. I will put it on the internet because then it would be believable to you.

But you believe what you wanna believe because I am not gonna convince you otherwise.

You can lead a horse to water, but if he ain’t gonna drink, he ain’t gonna drink.
Originally Posted by RUM7
That video was disgusting.

They should have thrown something biodegradable like apples or old bananas or dog [bleep].

I can't stans people who litter.

Yeah!!!

A rotten 5 lb Charentais Amish Cantaloupe at 45 mph would take a poof clean off the seat

💀💀💀
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.


Get off the road , period !
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

Paul, you made this out through your posts as if it were some egregious assault. You weren't alone, but you posted the thread lol.

Holy fûck. Nothingburger. Defined.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

Paul, you made this out through your posts as if it were some egregious assault. You weren't alone, but you posted the thread lol.

Holy fûck. Nothingburger. Defined.

There should be a specific hate crime law against it for sure.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

Paul, you made this out through your posts as if it were some egregious assault. You weren't alone, but you posted the thread lol.

Holy fûck. Nothingburger. Defined.

There should be a specific hate crime law against it for sure.

They're covered under the preferential treatment of gays laws already. But I can see another one made just for them too. Good point.
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
This video showed a wide sidewalk or bike path. Why weren't they riding on that instead of the highway?

They weren't riding on a highway. They were riding a low traffic density 35 MPH road approaching an overpass. The sideWALK ended just a few hundred feet from where they were.


I don't like the littering, but bicyclists arrogance is worse than harley riders. The bike riders were breaking the law, and being chunts, because that's what they do.
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.


Now now...you mustn't out drive your ability to see.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

Paul, you made this out through your posts as if it were some egregious assault. You weren't alone, but you posted the thread lol.

Holy fûck. Nothingburger. Defined.

Pick my post that you think most painted it as an egregious assault. I know you won't, but I thought I'd at least give you a chance. lolol
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
This video showed a wide sidewalk or bike path. Why weren't they riding on that instead of the highway?

They weren't riding on a highway. They were riding a low traffic density 35 MPH road approaching an overpass. The sideWALK ended just a few hundred feet from where they were.


I don't like the littering, but bicyclists arrogance is worse than harley riders. The bike riders were breaking the law, and being chunts, because that's what they do.

Which law were they breaking?
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.


Now now...you mustn't out drive your ability to see.

Exactly. Even our intellectually challenged can catch on after a while. Nice work Jim!
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.


Now now...you mustn't out drive your ability to see.

Exactly. Even our intellectually challenged can catch on after a while. Nice work Jim!


Yep...never know when you might encounter a bunch of àssholes all in a group.
Originally Posted by Rifles And More


Freaking hilarious, love it!!!
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.
That’s a good camera. Pretty good resolution on those screen grabs!
lol
More and more cyclists are using them. I think it's probably best that everyone carries on as if their every action was being recorded.
That chick looks like a millennial. Isn’t that really the ultimate issue here?
😆
Bicyclists and motorcyclists love a extended window washer session when you are in front of them.
Easy way to get motorcyclists or dipschits tail gateing you to back off.
Even better when they spent hours detailing their ride for their cruise.

Im doing the speed limit at say 50 mph and you wanna be riding my azz within 1 car lenght trying to get me to go faster.

Windsheild washing fluid time👍👍👍
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.

Sarah McLaughlin is only a phone call away

…in the arms of an angel
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.

Sarah McLaughlin is only a phone call away

…in the arms of an angel


Hahahaha!

Makes you hate animals.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Bicyclists and motorcyclists love a extended window washer session when you are in front of them.
Easy way to get motorcyclists or dipschits tail gateing you to back off.
Even better when they spent hours detailing their ride for their cruise.

Im doing the speed limit at say 50 mph and you wanna be riding my azz within 1 car lenght trying to get me to go faster.

Windsheild washing fluid time👍👍👍

Haha

Sweetchuck is gonna beat yo ass one day at the red light 🤣🤣🤣🤣
She should have just leaned out the window with a shovel, I don't like littering.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.

Sarah McLaughlin is only a phone call away

…in the arms of an angel


Hahahaha!

Makes you hate animals.

They only show those commercials at dinner time, when they know Gertrude is watching Pat Sajak. Gertie sees that one-eyed dog shivering, puts down her plate of chicken n dumplins and gives em a call.
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This was probably fun up until they learned that the cyclists had video cameras.

That’s a good camera. Pretty good resolution on those screen grabs!
lol

They need to put more into the camera case instead of the lens, better the chance of survival when they scrape them up off the road.
Zerofucksgiven
Originally Posted by auk1124
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by auk1124
The bicyclists don't bother me as much as the Amish buggies. Little 12 year old Nebuchadnezzar going down a narrow country road in a buggy, whipping the shít out of some poor pony, pops around the curve on you and you have to take the ditch to keep from flattening his silly ass.

Sarah McLaughlin is only a phone call away

…in the arms of an angel


Hahahaha!

Makes you hate animals.

They only show those commercials at dinner time, when they know Gertrude is watching Pat Sajak. Gertie sees that one-eyed dog shivering, puts down her plate of chicken n dumplins and gives em a call.
Getting tired of the starving old jewish women in ukraine commercials also.

Buncha fugging con artist making bank off of old people they dress down in goodwill bum clothes and make a sympathy commercial out of.

Almost as bad as the central Americas hairlip kids commercials.
I hear you renegade. Just don't fùck with the St. Judes kids.
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Me thinks there is a west coast mirror out there somewhere with Paul's name on it.
Originally Posted by slumlord
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Pshaw. Everbody knows you hadta blow up your TV.

Tho away your paper.
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cuznguido
It boils down real simple: Ignorant rednecks too fat and lazy to ride a bike hate those that do.

The typical rager is a middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male.

Now do typical cyclist.

There is no typical cyclist. Within the different cycling disciplines, there are some commonalities. The bike messenger discipline is full of riders who typically give zero schidts about any law or anyone else.

Typical cyclist ‘ I am more nuanced and superior’ answer. Thank you.

He's not wrong, I ride quite a bit. I don't wear all the fancy lycra or clipless shoes and most of my bikes are 30+ years old. Probably 50% or more of the what I call roadies won't even acknowledge me when we pass each other. Apparently I'm in the wrong uniform or something.

Mountain bikers seem to be more laid back and considerably less elitist. Triathletes on their fancy aero bikes seem pretty cool too. I just want to get out and get some exercise and since I always liked endurance stuff cycling fits the bill.

I've wondered why some politician hasn't come up with a bicycle version of Pittman-Robertson to be honest. Seems like it would make sense to target the cycling community in order to help pay for cycling infrastructure. Those money grubbing pricks should be all over it.
The Pittman Robertson analogy is a good idea but let's dea afine what the "fair share" for bikers would be.

First, quantify the number of bikes on the road vs vehicles. Then talk to someone who designs roads for a living and ask how much a road for bikes only would cost if there were no vehicles driving on it.

Especially heavy trucks.they drive the design specs and the cost.
Originally Posted by smokepole
The Pittman Robertson analogy is a good idea but let's dea afine what the "fair share" for bikers would be.

First, quantify the number of bikes on the road vs vehicles. Then talk to someone who designs roads for a living and ask how much a road for bikes only would cost if there were no vehicles driving on it.

Especially heavy trucks.they drive the design specs and the cost.

Yeah I never put any thought into it other than "I wonder why those money grubbing pricks haven't done this yet?"

It just seemed like something a politician would be all over.
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by Rifles And More
Typical cyclist ‘ I am more nuanced and superior’ answer. Thank you.

He's not wrong, I ride quite a bit. I don't wear all the fancy lycra or clipless shoes and most of my bikes are 30+ years old. Probably 50% or more of the what I call roadies won't even acknowledge me when we pass each other. Apparently I'm in the wrong uniform or something.

Mountain bikers seem to be more laid back and considerably less elitist. Triathletes on their fancy aero bikes seem pretty cool too. I just want to get out and get some exercise and since I always liked endurance stuff cycling fits the bill.

I've wondered why some politician hasn't come up with a bicycle version of Pittman-Robertson to be honest. Seems like it would make sense to target the cycling community in order to help pay for cycling infrastructure. Those money grubbing pricks should be all over it.

Your observations parallel mine. When I am out and about riding on the path, I greet everyone. I am most likely to be ignored by an older guy in his "team jersey" riding a high dollar road bike. They always seem like they are miserable.
All that video looks a bit too good to not be staged. Not buying it. Reminds me of all the unreality shows where every episode they manage to have a major crisis caught on film.
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by smokepole
The Pittman Robertson analogy is a good idea but let's dea afine what the "fair share" for bikers would be.

First, quantify the number of bikes on the road vs vehicles. Then talk to someone who designs roads for a living and ask how much a road for bikes only would cost if there were no vehicles driving on it.

Especially heavy trucks.they drive the design specs and the cost.

Yeah I never put any thought into it other than "I wonder why those money grubbing pricks haven't done this yet?"

It just seemed like something a politician would be all over.

The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.
Originally Posted by mart
All that video looks a bit too good to not be staged. Not buying it. Reminds me of all the unreality shows where every episode they manage to have a major crisis caught on film.

It's real. I have had an online discussion with the rider. He turned the video over to cops and hasn't followed up.
Originally Posted by 700LH

That is just as hilarious now as it was the other 46 times dimwits have posted it.




This coal roller thought it was cool until it was discovered who he was and it started affecting his business. Then he started crying.

https://jalopnik.com/texas-tuner-shop-boycotted-after-owner-posts-video-roll-1848824937

Despite that, [the driver] believes that he is the victim in all of this, saying he “draws the line” at his actions affecting his business.

lololololol
Some things merit repeating
Paula,

You kinda remind me of the chicks that casually mention who they’re not fugking.

Just in case anybody was wondering.

LOL
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I just don't see the crisis. If they claim some kind of assault (which dollars to donuts they probably will) that's weak pûssy bs.

YMMV

Who does see the crisis? I haven't seen anyone positing this as a crisis.

Paul, you made this out through your posts as if it were some egregious assault. You weren't alone, but you posted the thread lol.

Holy fûck. Nothingburger. Defined.

Pick my post that you think most painted it as an egregious assault. I know you won't, but I thought I'd at least give you a chance. lolol

You started the thread…..

Sheesh! Hold into breaking wind!
Originally Posted by flagstaff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
https://www.tcsfuel.com/blog/the-highway-trust-fund/#:~:text=However%2C%20funding%20those%20repairs%20and,roads%20and%20state%20highway%20infrastructures.

"However, funding those repairs and improvements comes from more than just collecting gas taxes paid by those driving a vehicle. These days, general taxes paid by all taxpayers such as income and sales taxes are just as instrumental as gas taxes to fund local roads and state highway infrastructures."

or "nuh uh"

Which should I choose?

General taxes paid such as income and sales taxes don’t really fund bike paths. If you think they do to any real consequence, I have some beach front property out here in AZ I would like to sell you. I will put it on the internet because then it would be believable to you.

But you believe what you wanna believe because I am not gonna convince you otherwise.

You can lead a horse to water, but if he ain’t gonna drink, he ain’t gonna drink.


Columbia County: How do we pay for roads

"The majority of the county’s road funds (about 72 percent) come from the state gas tax and vehicle registration fees. The state gas tax comes from a statewide pool which is divided between the state, county, and city agencies, as well as metropolitan planning organizations such as Metro. Counties receive funds based on the number of registered vehicles within the county as designated by maintenance mileage."


https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/lpro/Publications/RoadsAndHighways.pdf



"Oregon pays for the construction, maintenance, and operation of the state highway system primarily through user fees. Principal sources of revenue are
federal funds, state fuel taxes, state weight-mile taxes on trucks, and state vehicle registration and title fees. The taxes and fees collected by the state are shared with Oregon cities and counties and are constitutionally dedicated to use on highways. The state does not use General Funds on highways."



https://oregoncounties.org/roads/county-road-program/road-resources/transportation-funding/


"Oregon’s counties are responsible for the largest share of Oregon’s road system (41 percent), with over 32,000 miles of road and over 3,400 bridges. AOC advocates for resources to support preservation, modernization, and maintenance of the county road system, and serves as a partner to the state.

Counties receive funding primarily from the State Highway Fund, from gas tax, fees, and other sources. The State Highway Fund provides funding for the state, counties, and cities at a rate of 50 percent, 30 percent, 20 percent, respectively.

In addition, many grant and other funding options are available – such as the most recent investment from the federal government through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). Below are some of the major funding sources for counties applicable resources."
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by smokepole
The Pittman Robertson analogy is a good idea but let's dea afine what the "fair share" for bikers would be.

First, quantify the number of bikes on the road vs vehicles. Then talk to someone who designs roads for a living and ask how much a road for bikes only would cost if there were no vehicles driving on it.

Especially heavy trucks.they drive the design specs and the cost.

Yeah I never put any thought into it other than "I wonder why those money grubbing pricks haven't done this yet?"

It just seemed like something a politician would be all over.

The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

If anything a bicycle version of Pittman-Robertson could be used to help build MUPs or rail trails. Out where I live I wouldn't see any benefit.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

And I just posted how my state funds it's roads, including county and city. No where NEAR 50% is from the general fund.

And how much of the road funds are diverted off for bike paths? In the metro area it's 12% of the road budget. How much do bicyclist's fees and taxes pay for that? Zero.
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

And I just posted how my state funds it's roads, including county and city. No where NEAR 50% is from the general fund.

And how much of the road funds are diverted off for bike paths? In the metro area it's 12% of the road budget. How much do bicyclist's fees and taxes pay for that? Zero.


lolololol

Copy and paste into your browser, then weep.


https://www.oregon.gov/odot/TAP/Documents/2019%20Annual%20Legislative%20Report%20-%20Authorized%20use%20of%20Oregon%20County%20Road%20Funds%20(ORS%20366.774).pdf

COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?
Every super intelligent human blocks traffic while going 50mph slower than every other vehicle.
Right?
Can we get a bicycle forum?
That way Paul and his spandex commandos can go complain about the lack of cyclist respect out on the road without annoying all us adults.

Which made up sponsor do you have plastered all over your crop top and ass huggers?
Vagisil or Tampax?
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

"their" Why can't people from sisterfugkville WV be literate?
Originally Posted by RUM7
Can we get a bicycle forum?

It appears to me that theirs a strong appetite for bicycle discussions right here.
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The big guy gets his 10% of this ad.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

And I just posted how my state funds it's roads, including county and city. No where NEAR 50% is from the general fund.

And how much of the road funds are diverted off for bike paths? In the metro area it's 12% of the road budget. How much do bicyclist's fees and taxes pay for that? Zero.


lolololol

Copy and paste into your browser, then weep.


https://www.oregon.gov/odot/TAP/Documents/2019%20Annual%20Legislative%20Report%20-%20Authorized%20use%20of%20Oregon%20County%20Road%20Funds%20(ORS%20366.774).pdf

COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059

3
2019 Annual Report to the Legislative Assembly
Authorized Use of Allocation to Counties (ORS 366.774)
COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059
STATE GOVERNMENT REVENUE
State Highway Fund $315,719,093
ODOT Fund Exchange Program $11,580,504
Other State Funds $16,544,916
$343,844,513
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
US Forest Service Annual Distribution $32,049,416
Disaster Relief Funding $2,889,512
Other Federal $18,962,756
$53,901684
TOTAL ROAD FUNDS REVENUE
Local $173,060,059
State $343,844,513
Federal $53,901,684
$570,806,256

Looking at the funding it looks like right around 70% of the state's county's road funds come from vehicular taxes and fees.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

"their" Why can't people from sisterfugkville WV be literate?


come to sisterfugkville WV with your bike, spandex and helmet, Ioh don't forget your gay flag, i got the brick
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

I have the bricks
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

"their" Why can't people from sisterfugkville WV be literate?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7
Can we get a bicycle forum?

It appears to me that theirs a strong appetite for bicycle discussions right here.
"There's "... Oh the irony.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

I have the bricks

😂
🦫
Once took a powdered donut to the chest from a rig in the opposing lane when I was doing about 65 mph on a motorcycle. By the time I got stopped and figured out what had happened it was a bit late to give chase.
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🦫
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

I have the bricks

😂
🦫
Get your little league helmut bruh
Riding a bicycle out on a god*damn road meant for cars and trucks is beyond self righteous not to mention stupid as fuuck.






Unless you get your ffaggity ass out of the way you deserve to be attacked by white trash.


Title of the event?


When Idiots Collide
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

And I just posted how my state funds it's roads, including county and city. No where NEAR 50% is from the general fund.

And how much of the road funds are diverted off for bike paths? In the metro area it's 12% of the road budget. How much do bicyclist's fees and taxes pay for that? Zero.


lolololol

Copy and paste into your browser, then weep.


https://www.oregon.gov/odot/TAP/Documents/2019%20Annual%20Legislative%20Report%20-%20Authorized%20use%20of%20Oregon%20County%20Road%20Funds%20(ORS%20366.774).pdf

COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059

3
2019 Annual Report to the Legislative Assembly
Authorized Use of Allocation to Counties (ORS 366.774)
COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059
STATE GOVERNMENT REVENUE
State Highway Fund $315,719,093
ODOT Fund Exchange Program $11,580,504
Other State Funds $16,544,916
$343,844,513
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
US Forest Service Annual Distribution $32,049,416
Disaster Relief Funding $2,889,512
Other Federal $18,962,756
$53,901684
TOTAL ROAD FUNDS REVENUE
Local $173,060,059
State $343,844,513
Federal $53,901,684
$570,806,256

Looking at the funding it looks like right around 70% of the state's county's road funds come from vehicular taxes and fees.

Well, that leaves 30% which is a far cry from the "zero" figure you used.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steveredd1
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.

But can they do the speed limit? And why do they not follow the signage? And since they do wear helmets why is throwing [bleep] at them a bad idea?


nice to bounce a brick off there helmet to test it

"their" Why can't people from sisterfugkville WV be literate?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7
Can we get a bicycle forum?

It appears to me that theirs a strong appetite for bicycle discussions right here.
"There's "... Oh the irony.


lololol
Originally Posted by SamOlson
Riding a bicycle out on a godddamn road meant for cars and trucks is beyond self righteous not to mention stupid as fuuck.




Unless you get your ffagggity ass out of the way you deserve to be attacked by white trash.


Title of the event?


When Idiots Collide

These are the times when a like button would be nice.
Originally Posted by SamOlson
Riding a bicycle out on a godddamn road meant for cars and trucks is beyond self righteous not to mention stupid as fuuck.




Unless you get your ffagggity ass out of the way you deserve to be attacked by white trash.


Title of the event?


When Idiots Collide
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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Riding a bicycle out on a godddamn road meant for cars and trucks is beyond self righteous not to mention stupid as fuuck.




Unless you get your ffagggity ass out of the way you deserve to be attacked by white trash.


Title of the event?


When Idiots Collide

It must be tough dealing with all of the bicyclists up there in Roped Goat Montana. lololol
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.
You are pretty much a bitch.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.

Right outside of the subdivision is Amish territory. I have already planned on drenching them with my water bottle when they hold me up with their stupid little horse and buggies.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.

Right outside of the subdivision is Amish territory. I have already planned on drenching them with my water bottle when they hold me up with their stupid little horse and buggies.
You should be able to outnut them boys
Originally Posted by SamOlson
You are pretty much a bitch.


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Originally Posted by DigitalDan
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Knowing how to bunnyhop would of saved that guy a trip to the hospital. That dude behind him sure had some good reflexes.
This is actually pretty entertaining. A friend and I had left a fish cookout and he had two honey filled deep fried biscuits he brought to carry home. We was driving on a road that was 35 mph and saw a motorcycle headed our way, he said watch this [bleep]! He threw one of the biscuits hit the guy on the bike. The guy turned around hauled ass and caught up with us and asked what the hell we thought we doing throwing something at him. My buddy spoke real quickly and said he saw the guy in front of us throw something out the window. The motorcyclist believed him and got back on his bike and off he went chasing another vehicle down.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
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That's what they get for riding on the shoulder.
Originally Posted by Buck720
This is actually pretty entertaining. A friend and I had left a fish cookout and he had two honey filled deep fried biscuits he brought to carry home. We was driving on on a road that was 35 mph and saw a motorcycle headed our way, he said watch this [bleep]! He threw one of the biscuits hit the guy on the bike. The guy turned around hauled ass and caught up with us and asked what the hell we thought we doing throwing something at him. My buddy spoke real quickly and said he saw the guy in front of us throw something out the window. The motorcyclist believed him and got back on his bike and off he went chasing another vehicle down.
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Originally Posted by Buck720
This is actually pretty entertaining.

That's the purpose.
So yes I guess I’m white trash since I was part of the fun!
Attention whoring plain and simple.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I generally don't have an issue with bicyclists, though I do get grumpy when coming over a blind hill and they're right there in my lane. .

As a motorcyclist, the importance of not out-driving my line of sight was drilled into me. There could be a driveway with someone pulling out, a mail truck, a fallen tree, a fallen rock, free range cattle, a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any other thing in the lane when I top that blind hill or blind curve.

I have always yet been able to stop before hitting the bicyclists, so I haven’t out-driven my line of sight yet. That doesn’t mean I have to like slowing down to accommodate for them at times. Same with cattle, wildlife, poorly placed driveways and whatever else.

Besides cattle and wildlife, I will give all those other hidden obstacles the same disdain, especially if they don’t make an effort to warn traffic such as flags, warning signs, etc. People breaking down and not doing what they can to get off the roadway are just as guilty as bicyclists at causing roadway hazards and I don’t approve of them either. I know several people who rerouted their driveway or straight up moved due to them being in dangerous positions.

The main difference between those folks and bicyclists are that bicyclists go out to do their thing knowing they’re causing roadway hassles. Most ranchers/farmers I know who need to drive a tractor somewhere along a main road do so for the shortest time possible, then use back roads where they can. Many (not all though) also do it when traffic is minimal and use the slow moving warnings signs, use flaggers and pilot cars, at least on the main highways. Some of the smaller highways they don’t and I cuss them too.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.

His HOA friends are already bitching about how his one window lean-to with a real door is going to wreck home owner prices in the neighborhood. Next comes seeing him in Spandex nut separaters to end the game.
Originally Posted by SamOlson
You are pretty much a bitch.

Just "pretty much"?
The one take away from this whole thread... is that I now realize that I have been far too laissez faire and accommodating to bicyclists... and Paul...

Like Communists... they demand more, more, more at every bend in the road.

Thanks Paul... I will track the white line closer from here on out.

I have no problem killing a Communist.
Farmers and ranchers are working, usually on a road that was gravel or dirt for over a hundred years. No issues with them.

Bicyclists are parasitic phoucs that can't decide if they're recreation or transportation. On it's face its playing badminton in the road or peddling to get to work. Riding to work I have no issue with, that covers about 1 percent of bicyclists. A cluster of 20 or more phoucs ain't going to work at 6:30 in the evening.

Let's face it, they're playing in the highway like they own it without spending one red cent for the basketball court.

I want a gun range on some paved real estate that I can blame, bitch and whine about cars and truck owners that paved and maintained it not making it a safe range; about the same logic
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Love the thread!

Great for enabling complete whackjob fucqkfaces to out themselves.

Do you mentally retarded dumbfucqks also get worked-up when you’re “inconvenienced” by a slow senior driver on the road?

Fucqkin’ just throw some trash at them or hit them with a 2X4 when you drive by…

I wonder why the “tough guys” in their vehicles here don’t just drive up a bit, park and get out?


People on bikes commonly don’t stop at stop signs in residential areas. I wouldn’t either if I was riding a bike. And the guys here bitching about it wouldn’t either.
I can fab the bumper... any of you guys good with audio and a PA systems?

I like the horn... nice deep base to it...

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

And I just posted how my state funds it's roads, including county and city. No where NEAR 50% is from the general fund.

And how much of the road funds are diverted off for bike paths? In the metro area it's 12% of the road budget. How much do bicyclist's fees and taxes pay for that? Zero.


lolololol

Copy and paste into your browser, then weep.


https://www.oregon.gov/odot/TAP/Documents/2019%20Annual%20Legislative%20Report%20-%20Authorized%20use%20of%20Oregon%20County%20Road%20Funds%20(ORS%20366.774).pdf

COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059

3
2019 Annual Report to the Legislative Assembly
Authorized Use of Allocation to Counties (ORS 366.774)
COUNTY ROAD FUNDS REVENUES
July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019
LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
Property Taxes $13,533,417
County General Fund $53,794,559
Local Vehicle Registration & Gasoline Taxes $28,026,555
Interest Income $18,533,887
Development Fees $16,087,722
Other Local Receipts $35,614,270
Bond & Note Proceeds $7,469,649
$173,060,059
STATE GOVERNMENT REVENUE
State Highway Fund $315,719,093
ODOT Fund Exchange Program $11,580,504
Other State Funds $16,544,916
$343,844,513
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE
US Forest Service Annual Distribution $32,049,416
Disaster Relief Funding $2,889,512
Other Federal $18,962,756
$53,901684
TOTAL ROAD FUNDS REVENUE
Local $173,060,059
State $343,844,513
Federal $53,901,684
$570,806,256

Looking at the funding it looks like right around 70% of the state's county's road funds come from vehicular taxes and fees.

Well, that leaves 30% which is a far cry from the "zero" figure you used.

I said that bicycle taxes and fees paid for zero of the bike paths.

Again don't be obtuse.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.
Bull [bleep]
Originally Posted by Steve
I said that bicycle taxes and fees paid for zero of the bike paths.

Again don't be obtuse.

lololol

https://bikeportland.org/2021/04/01...11-3-million-for-off-street-paths-329499
Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.
Bull [bleep]

I have posted half a dozen links demonstrating that I am right, and you come in with a "nuh-uh." Brilliant!
This entire thread inspires me to abuse roadway bicycle riders.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
I said that bicycle taxes and fees paid for zero of the bike paths.

Again don't be obtuse.

lololol

https://bikeportland.org/2021/04/01...11-3-million-for-off-street-paths-329499
What’s that got to do with a wheel tax paying for Bike lanes on public roads?
Originally Posted by akasparky
This entire thread inspires me to abuse roadway bicycle riders.

Outstanding!
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Love the thread!

Great for enabling complete whackjob fucqkfaces to out themselves.

Do you mentally retarded dumbfucqks also get worked-up when you’re “inconvenienced” by a slow senior driver on the road?.
Absophuginlutely.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
I said that bicycle taxes and fees paid for zero of the bike paths.

Again don't be obtuse.

lololol

https://bikeportland.org/2021/04/01...11-3-million-for-off-street-paths-329499

Do you like flinging [bleep] into a fan until you realize that the fan is turned in the wrong direction?
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Steve
I said that bicycle taxes and fees paid for zero of the bike paths.

Again don't be obtuse.

lololol

https://bikeportland.org/2021/04/01...11-3-million-for-off-street-paths-329499
What’s that got to do with a wheel tax paying for public roads?

What?? An article from a bicycle magazine based in Portland Oregon doesn't instill confidence?!
They don't stop at ANY stop signs that I've seen, unless its a ten year old kid...

Equating an 80 year old driver and their limits and someone who should know better pretty much sums up the modern day bicyclist and their ways of rationalizing why someone shouldn't run their ass over without a thought....
Retards riding bicycles on a road.

Pit bull rescue nanny dogs.




Do we all agree equally bad ideas?
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by akasparky
This entire thread inspires me to abuse roadway bicycle riders.

Outstanding!

Never even considered it before Paul showed us why and the meaning involved.

Now it seems it could bring joy and satisfaction in ways I've never considered, thanks Paul.
Paul goes out for a ride, chafes his taint, and comes back here to stir schit up.

😂
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by akasparky
This entire thread inspires me to abuse roadway bicycle riders.

Outstanding!

Never even considered it before Paul showed us why and the meaning involved.

Now it seems it could bring joy and satisfaction in ways I've never considered, thanks Paul.

lololol. I would say "anything for you Sparky" but I don't want Flave to get jealous.
Originally Posted by MadMooner
Paul goes out for a ride, chafes his taint, and comes back here to stir schit up.

😂



Pure bitch......lol
Originally Posted by SamOlson
Originally Posted by MadMooner
Paul goes out for a ride, chafes his taint, and comes back here to stir schit up.

😂



Pure bitch......lol

Double lol
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by taylorce1
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The tax on gasoline falls way short of being able to fully fund state end federal roadways.

I don't know if it falls short or the money is poorly managed the government.

CDOT is notorious for mismanagement of tax money, seems they are always getting a new fleet of vehicles or more upper management. Now they are mandated to go to zero emmision vehicles by the State. Plus the new "fee" the State added to fuel prices is solely to add infrastructure (charging stations) for EV vehicles.

The point was that the cyclists do pay for the roads.
Bull [bleep]

I have posted half a dozen links demonstrating that I am right, and you come in with a "nuh-uh." Brilliant!
What a piece of compost you should be. I have a 16 mile blacktop road to get into town they is called the old Burlington road that is covered with cyclists all summer. Most respect vehicle traffic but some like you want to pull some crap
Around here tax dollars donations grants pay for lots of bicycle trails and such. Haul your f****** bicycle to one of them trails and stay the [bleep] f*** off the road scrawny ass f****** [bleep] losers
Where's the video of asswholes throwing trash at farmer or an 80 year old driver?

There isn't one, for reasons obvious to anyone who doesn't ride a bike on the fugging highway....but I'm sure the asswholes arrived to their behavior without any reason.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by akasparky
This entire thread inspires me to abuse roadway bicycle riders.

Outstanding!

Never even considered it before Paul showed us why and the meaning involved.

Now it seems it could bring joy and satisfaction in ways I've never considered, thanks Paul.

lololol. I would say "anything for you Sparky" but I don't want Flave to get jealous.

Your efforts and time here have the effects much like what a good White Supremacist website does for those like Dylann Roof, and Payton Gendron.
Originally Posted by HawkI
Where's the video of asswholes throwing trash at farmer or an 80 year old driver?

There isn't one, for reasons obvious to anyone who doesn't ride a bike on the fugging highway....but I'm sure the asswholes arrived to their behavior without any reason.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Where's the video of asswholes throwing trash at farmer or an 80 year old driver?

There isn't one, for reasons obvious to anyone who doesn't ride a bike on the fugging highway....but I'm sure the asswholes arrived to their behavior without any reason.

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What Pauli looks like without his bicycle "hard hat" on
Paul single handily legitimizes the nessasary hate involved.
Originally Posted by HawkI
They don't stop at ANY stop signs that I've seen, unless its a ten year old kid...

Equating an 80 year old driver and their limits and someone who should know better pretty much sums up the modern day bicyclist and their ways of rationalizing why someone shouldn't run their ass over without a thought....

I can see a 4 way intersection from my kitchen window and being on a popular cycling route I see a lot of riders. I'd guess maybe 1 in 10 to 1 in 15 actually stop at the intersection. The other day I saw 4 riders make the turn South and stop in the lane. Friggin retards there is a nice big gravel wideout on the NE side of the intersection they could of pulled into.

Personally I always stop there when I'm riding. I can be kind of compulsive about following rules though. That intersection and one other intersection on a gravel road I ride a lot are the only two stop signs I typically see though and yep I stop for that one too. Most of you guys would probably be cussing me if I was driving since I don't speed by more than a couple of MPH.
This thread is great.

The Cajun didn't need this thread to show how dumb he is but it has certainly helped.
Originally Posted by Ky221
This thread is great.

The Cajun didn't need this thread to show how dumb he is but it has certainly helped.

Please use a small "c" when Paul is involved.
See to many memorial s of dumb ass cyclists along the road. Take responsibility for riding safe rather than what we think we can get away with
What is truly more than a little amazing is that people on bicycles are not routinely dusted with 6 shot. Especially the ones abusing road etiquette. I still am mystified by their refusing to respect stop signs.
Paul is a dumb xxxx
I don't actually have a blanket dislike for people riding around and trying to stay out of the way on their bikes. Refusal to follow road signage, riding along shooting the [bleep] and blocking the road at 2mph does chap my ass. Some of the outfits are soooo gay looking on men but some of the women 2mph isn't that bad especially if they are pumping up and down.
Originally Posted by rickt300
I don't actually have a blanket dislike for people riding around and trying to stay out of the way on their bikes. Refusal to follow road signage, riding along shooting the [bleep] and blocking the road at 2mph does chap my ass. Some of the outfits are soooo gay looking on men but some of the women 2mph isn't that bad especially if they are pumping up and down.

I've seen a few of exceptional looking women riders. Unfortunately they've always been headed the other direction. One of these days I'll leave the house for a ride at the right time though. Frigging lycra can hide a lot of cottage cheese though. Guy has to be careful.
We move machinery down the road all the time.

Early morning.




Get out the way you homo dick lickers!

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Originally Posted by rickt300
I don't actually have a blanket dislike for people riding around and trying to stay out of the way on their bikes. Refusal to follow road signage, riding along shooting the [bleep] and blocking the road at 2mph does chap my ass. Some of the outfits are soooo gay looking on men but some of the women 2mph isn't that bad especially if they are pumping up and down.

But with a male in Spandex like Pauli doing it, it is beyond disgusting.
Originally Posted by rickt300
I don't actually have a blanket dislike for people riding around and trying to stay out of the way on their bikes. Refusal to follow road signage, riding along shooting the [bleep] and blocking the road at 2mph does chap my ass. Some of the outfits are soooo gay looking on men but some of the women 2mph isn't that bad especially if they are pumping up and down.
Are you sure that wasn't a guy with shaved legs?
Paula Ab Fool...lol
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.
Originally Posted by Ky221
This thread is great.

The Cajun didn't need this thread to show how dumb he is but it has certainly helped.

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Makes it fun running behind a bunch of cyclists across the road taking theIr right of way
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Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.
Originally Posted by SamOlson
Paula Ab Fool...lol


Just plain vanilla Pauli the Pussy works too.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.
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Our rural roads in most of N.C. have no room for cyclists. Just the way it is. Folks from the Midwest come down here and can’t believe how rough and narrow our roads are. It sure doesn’t stop the urbanite cyclists from riding out here. They are universally disliked.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

Damn you ought to post more often. Exactly how I feel. Why do they do it. The roads around my place have a pretty good stream of water hauling trucks. Those guys must truly cuss the gay bike musketeers. I will say there are a few of them that are fast and make an effort to keep traffic flowing freely. But they are not all biathlon capable.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.
Yes being in the agricultural and excavation business I know the pain. These stupid son of a b****** are just suicidal and too ignorant to realize it
Hey Paulette, you feelin' dumb yet? 😁
In the video from the OP, not sure if anyone noticed, if the bottle was full it would of bucked the wind alot better at that speed...just saying for next time.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

Wow! I couldn't agree more! Exactly how I feel.... In PA we pay a registration for our vehicles every year, which allows us to use the roads.... if these spandex wearing idiots want to use the road they should have to pay too! Fugg em.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Where's the video of asswholes throwing trash at farmer or an 80 year old driver?

There isn't one, for reasons obvious to anyone who doesn't ride a bike on the fugging highway....but I'm sure the asswholes arrived to their behavior without any reason.

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Triggered?

I didn't start the thread....

You have any videos of "white trash throwing trash at farmers, slow moving vehicles and geriatric drivers"?

Didn't think so....even white trash knows the difference between reality, people working and people just being dumbasses and not having any real excuse other than being dumbasses.
Not sure why they call it common sense when it is not common at all and politicians that make laws seem to possess less of it than anyone. In most places it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Why? Because pedestrians, even running, travel slower than bicycles and are subject to being hit. In the same way bicycles travel slower than vehicles which are much heavier. As mentioned before, anything traveling slower than the speed of traffic is a hazard whether it is a tractor, an Amish buggy, an ATV, a cow or a horse. That creates a hazard. Now they want to limit semis to 65 mph when the speed limit is 75 mph. Sometimes you need to take responsibility for your own safety because the politicians creating these laws are only interested in who will donate to their re-election campaign.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.
I agree. 100%
Saw one get hit once. I don't wish that on anyone.
Poor truck driver never saw the biker. The biker popped like a watermelon. This is on a major 2 lane highway in our area. Maybe 18" of shoulder. Dang bicyclists stream down this highway like they own it. It's rolling hills so hard to see too far ahead. This road is the only way to access thousands of acres of ag land. They stare at you when you go by like you are the one with a choice to be there.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by smokepole
The Pittman Robertson analogy is a good idea but let's dea afine what the "fair share" for bikers would be.

First, quantify the number of bikes on the road vs vehicles. Then talk to someone who designs roads for a living and ask how much a road for bikes only would cost if there were no vehicles driving on it.

Especially heavy trucks.they drive the design specs and the cost.

Yeah I never put any thought into it other than "I wonder why those money grubbing pricks haven't done this yet?"

It just seemed like something a politician would be all over.

The truth is that we do pay for roads and at a level that is commensurate with the amount of wear we are responsible for.

Gas and use taxes do not cover the cost of building and maintaining highways. I posted a link earlier that shows how much of each state's use fees/fuel taxes cover. In total it's about 50%. Much of the other 50% comes from the general fund that my income taxes go to. County and local roads are funded heavily through property taxes and ad valorem taxes.

Paul,
I know you are tired of hearing it, and I am tired of saying it. Gas taxes pay for roads. General fund sources do not pay for roads. County and local roads are not paid from property taxes.
They don't call them Bike Nazis for nothing.
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Steve
Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?
Cuz they are ass-holes.

Because they can. In Iowa a bicycle is considered a motor vehicle on a public street. I'm not telling you it's safe, I'm just saying they can. Consider it a farm tractor which does basically the same thing. Bicycle riders have rights too. This is one of them. They are also required to follow all traffic rules as well like stop signs and traffic lights. Just like a tractor.

kwg
No, bicycles are not just like farm tractors. Farmers are courteous and responsible, they ride the shoulder if there is one. Tractors are big, tall, contrasting colors to the road, make noise, have lights and a large reflector. Bicyclists are tiny, wear spandex that blends into the road, hunch over so they’re even smaller, have one reflector smaller than a fist. They have no business being on secondary highways where farmers have to go for livelihood and to feed us.
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Originally Posted by ldholton
Around here tax dollars donations grants pay for lots of bicycle trails and such. Haul your f****** bicycle to one of them trails and stay the [bleep] f*** off the road scrawny ass f****** [bleep] losers

ldh gonna need a volunteer to do a welfare check on him in the morning.

Preferably don’t ride a bike to his house either.


🦫
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.

Someone who drove for a living doesn't know not to outdrive his line of sight. What is this country coming to?
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road .

You need to turn in your CDL if you don't know that you are supposed to travel at a speed that gives you time to react to whatever may be around that blind bend or blind hill. It could have been a stalled car with kids in it. Instead of bitching, you should be thankful the cyclist was moving and saved you from being responsible for a crash.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.

Someone who drove for a living doesn't know not to outdrive his line of sight. What is this country coming to?


Never said we hit one. Go back and read. That ain't "out driving your line of sight"
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.

Someone who drove for a living doesn't know not to outdrive his line of sight. What is this country coming to?


Never said we hit one. Go back and read. That ain't "out driving your line of sight"

Then what are you bitching about?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.

Someone who drove for a living doesn't know not to outdrive his line of sight. What is this country coming to?

You really are quite rude Paul.

Do NOT place supposition on another man.

YOUR relentless obsession that we must yield... has grown my disdain for bicyclists... that is beginning to match the concept I hold for Antifa and BLM.

With each new utterance... I move 1" closer to the white line.

Congratulations!
the Internet is the safe-est place to throw trash and hate folks… so it makes sense to post the video and drive more contempt and hatered..
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Tell you what, when I was driving a tractor trailer in Arkansas last week, on a hilly, curvy, two lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and I came around a curve on that narrow road that should have been and probably once was, a goat path, to find some idiot in spandex on a bike, all I could think was why, in a state full of trails and parks, does this mental defective need to be endangering himself and everyone who comes upon him by using an already dangerous road for his hobby?

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars making old railroad beds and other areas into trails for biking and similar hobbies, and then these idiots still see the need to use the roads as a venue for their HOBBY. Meanwhile, a guy making a living, with a full route to do and a federally mandated 14 hours to get it done and get back home, sits doing 5 to 15 mph in a 55 zone so they can do their HOBBY. That is the definition of an entitled aszhole. May every last one of them that operates thus be flattened by a driver who deserves the ensuing drama. Because no decent person should have to suffer for inadvertently wiping out a moron who chose to take his HOBBY places it should not be. I don’t hunt from the road, don’t fish off a bridge, or hike down the interstate. Common sense and all that. Of course, expecting commons sense from a grown man riding around in public looking like that is probably a bit optimistic.

As a former UPS driver who had a very rural route......I absolutely feel this.

Someone who drove for a living doesn't know not to outdrive his line of sight. What is this country coming to?


Never said we hit one. Go back and read. That ain't "out driving your line of sight"

Then what are you bitching about?

Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?
Originally Posted by JeffA
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?
Maybe you should invite Paul down for a visit. Make sure he brings his bike and his helmet, can’t forget the helmet.
Goes to bed reading page 1 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

*yawns* wakes up to page 18 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

Man I must have slept for 6 months!!
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.
Originally Posted by Barney_Fife
Goes to bed reading page 1 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

*yawns* wakes up to page 18 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

Man I must have slept for 6 months!!

You be like Rumpelstiltskin..
[Linked Image from m.media-amazon.com]
Biking trails need to have a bag of dicks caches along the route. They’ll gravitate towards them, like a mouth towards light.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by JeffA
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?
Maybe you should invite Paul down for a visit. Make sure he brings his bike and his helmet, can’t forget the helmet.

Paul's done a drive by the last two years in a row on his way to Weeki Wachee kayaking with his family.

My environment is not family oriented.

We party long into the night,

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/nmagFj3Mc_Q?feature=share

Obscenities might be tossed about around our campfires and overall we're just not very politically correct types.

I don't think we'd work out to be his cup of Cajun Tea.
Hit the train horn once and the path is usually clear.
Bicyclists always like to argue and play their games until they are reminded of simple math. Bicycles<≠motor vehicles. When one gets drilled they all stay off the roads until they forget the equation and go out and find out again.

I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time, It is not worth my life to ride on busy highways much less get an attitude about it.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.

Right outside of the subdivision is Amish territory. I have already planned on drenching them with my water bottle when they hold me up with their stupid little horse and buggies.

I rode my bicycle with some Amish buggies when I rode to NY State, even drafted one cow a few miles; a steady 15mph into a headwind. Tell ya what, those Amish horses got all kinds of torque, they didn’t hardly miss a lick on a climb, I sure did.
I my dad caught me not getting of the road when a car was coming, I wouldn’t be able to sit down for a week!!

Just get the hell of the road!!!!
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
If ya move ta TN, Nut up and drive your truck everywhere. Bike might be cool in the HOA territory however.

Right outside of the subdivision is Amish territory. I have already planned on drenching them with my water bottle when they hold me up with their stupid little horse and buggies.

Paul will be the President of that HOA long before he ever builds a house there.

Becoming President was probably the main drive to buy the lot.
I stopped riding bicycles the day a got my driving license . crazy people .bikes are for kids
Bikes on the road....meh

Intentionally throwing trash out.....a whole nuther matter mad
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by ldholton
Around here tax dollars donations grants pay for lots of bicycle trails and such. Haul your f****** bicycle to one of them trails and stay the [bleep] f*** off the road scrawny ass f****** [bleep] losers

ldh gonna need a volunteer to do a welfare check on him in the morning.

Preferably don’t ride a bike to his house either.


🦫
I'm good there's just a certain types of people....
Thanks for asking
Paulie B - if you encounter a herd of phaggots rollerblading 3 wide in a no passing zone with steady on coming traffic how long would you say they get before they are asswholes?
Is this how you thought this thread would work out Paul?

Face it, people can't stand you idiots. 🤣🤣🤣
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Paulie B - if you encounter a herd of phaggots rollerblading 3 wide in a no passing zone with steady on coming traffic how long would you say they get before they are asswholes?
Is there any difference between them and bicyclists
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by Barney_Fife
Goes to bed reading page 1 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

*yawns* wakes up to page 18 of the bicycle trash throwing thread.

Man I must have slept for 6 months!!

You be like Rumpelstiltskin..
[Linked Image from m.media-amazon.com]
Well yeah that explains it.........I think! laugh
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up
Originally Posted by Mossback
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up

You can say that again!
Originally Posted by Mossback
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up

Seriously I think most people just like to gripe about stuff.
My pet gripes are

Slow movers or aisle blockers when shopping.
Rap music loud enough to feel.
Those A-holes that bebop through the crosswalk at the speed of a sloth.
Anybody looking at their phone when driving.
Any retard with a pro Democrat sticker.

When I go to town I always feel some nostalgia for the days when I was riding around in a HMMWV with a M2 up top and 2 M240's on swing arms.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

I should feel honored that aggrievedSteve90210 took a break from his sky is falling agenda to join me here. Will spandex spell the end of the world?
Originally Posted by JeffA
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?

I should run a dump truck at 10MPH through there. That'd be fun! Mr Hot Shoes would probably get the message quick.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by JeffA
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?

I should run a dump truck at 10MPH through there. That'd be fun! Mr Hot Shoes would probably get the message quick.

Dump truck is WAY EASIER to see... than a rainbow G String on a Freddie Mercury wannabee...

Not criticizing... only pointing out relevant math.
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Bicyclists always like to argue and play their games until they are reminded of simple math. Bicycles<≠motor vehicles. When one gets drilled they all stay off the roads until they forget the equation and go out and find out again.

I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time, It is not worth my life to ride on busy highways much less get an attitude about it.

Simple math comes into play in civil lawsuits too.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by ldholton
Around here tax dollars donations grants pay for lots of bicycle trails and such. Haul your f****** bicycle to one of them trails and stay the [bleep] f*** off the road scrawny ass f****** [bleep] losers

ldh gonna need a volunteer to do a welfare check on him in the morning.

Preferably don’t ride a bike to his house either.


🦫
I'm good there's just a certain types of people....
Thanks for asking

Glad I could help. I am here to be of disservice to petulant grown men.
Originally Posted by dodgefan
Originally Posted by Mossback
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up

Seriously I think most people just like to gripe about stuff.
My pet gripes are

Slow movers or aisle blockers when shopping.
Rap music loud enough to feel.
Those A-holes that bebop through the crosswalk at the speed of a sloth.
Anybody looking at their phone when driving.
Any retard with a pro Democrat sticker.
Do you throw trash at them?
No, but I do cuss a lot.
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Paulie B - if you encounter a herd of phaggots rollerblading 3 wide in a no passing zone with steady on coming traffic how long would you say they get before they are asswholes?

Great question. I'd first assess why they might be three wide. There may be a reason for it. Then I'd do what I always do when pedestrians, cyclists, roller bladers doing that Apollo Onho back and forth thing, people with dogs on leashes etc. are spread across the path. I'd slow as I approached them, announce my presence, tell them that I am easing around their left, pass with minimal speed disparity and exchange pleasantries with them as I passed.

I don't think that brush passing them at a comparatively high rate of speed and throwing schidt at them is the right thing to do.
Originally Posted by mirage243
Is this how you thought this thread would work out Paul?

Face it, people can't stand you idiots. 🤣🤣🤣

Why would I think otherwise? I am doing this for your therapy. It's good for you to get it out of your system.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.
I don't normally bike on the road because I'm afraid to, reading this thread doesn't help. I get that a rider needs to be very careful about moving to the right to let cars pass since many of them will crowd past without consideration as to how close their car or their mirror may be to the rider, It's better to have them move left to make a conscious pass. There are a percentage of roadies that make a point of riding siding by side and claiming a whole lane "because it's their right" that really piss people off and cause some of this hate. I remember following bicycles on buisy park roads where I couldn't pass in the oncoming lane, that wouldn't even move over to let me pass on my motorcycle, dicks.
Where I ride is well away from town. With the long sight lines it isn't too bad as a place to ride. I've had a couple of close passes and one guy who turned into his driveway right after hurrying to pass me. I don't know if he was being a dick or just misjudged my speed, but I almost slammed into the side of him. I had a pretty good tailwind that day so was moving right along.

The Live Car Free crowd are by far the worst of the cyclist types, judging off what they write on the bike forum. Those people are nuts.

As an aside have you tried Rouvy or Zwift? I've been using Rouvy for the last 3 weeks and it makes indoor cycling for fitness a whole lot more interesting.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by mirage243
Is this how you thought this thread would work out Paul?

Face it, people can't stand you idiots. 🤣🤣🤣

Why would I think otherwise? I am doing this for your therapy. It's good for you to get it out of your system.

Pauli.......savior of the world. One peddle at a time.

(but only in his mind) laugh

In reality Pauli Spandex is an empty pinada who wonders why he's hanging from the neck and why are people laughing and hitting him with sticks. It's must be a tough life when you're a self-centered idiot.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time.......

That happened to me once. The wind resistance was phenomenal, slowed me down by at least 10 mph. Which was OK as long as I could keep it pointed straight ahead but it got sideways once and ran me off the road.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
I don't normally bike on the road because I'm afraid to, reading this thread doesn't help. I get that a rider needs to be very careful about moving to the right to let cars pass since many of them will crowd past without consideration as to how close their car or their mirror may be to the rider, It's better to have them move left to make a conscious pass. There are a percentage of roadies that make a point of riding siding by side and claiming a whole lane "because it's their right" that really piss people off and cause some of this hate. I remember following bicycles on buisy park roads where I couldn't pass in the oncoming lane, that wouldn't even move over to let me pass on my motorcycle, dicks.
Just do like a few of the retards do around here...
Since MI passed the 3' rule they've started hanging a pool noodle that's 3' long sticking out the left side of their bike. grin
While I'll admit to riding my bike on the streets in our subdivision exercising my goof ball GSP I generally do it before sunrise when the road surface is cooler. A couple of miles of our route are on a sidewalk, if we encounter walkers/joggers or other people out walking their dogs I'll anounce loudly what side I intend to pass on and then move off the sidewalk and onto the grass as far away as possible to overtake the person.
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.
I don't normally bike on the road because I'm afraid to, reading this thread doesn't help. I get that a rider needs to be very careful about moving to the right to let cars pass since many of them will crowd past without consideration as to how close their car or their mirror may be to the rider, It's better to have them move left to make a conscious pass. There are a percentage of roadies that make a point of riding siding by side and claiming a whole lane "because it's their right" that really piss people off and cause some of this hate. I remember following bicycles on buisy park roads where I couldn't pass in the oncoming lane, that wouldn't even move over to let me pass on my motorcycle, dicks.

I am very selective about the roads I ride on. I am fortunate that I don't have to use a bike to get where I need to go. I do it for exercise. We have a LOT of dedicated paths here and I use them.

My biggest fear and the risk that is most difficult to mitigate is being hit from behind. I wear bright colors and my default position is mid lane. Being mid lane makes me more visible. Other motorists are much more likely to process me as traffic if I am mid lane. I have had drivers stare right at me when I was on the shoulder and pull right out in front of me. It happens far less frequently when I am mid lane. When a vehicle approaches from behind I kinda drift a little bit within the lane to make myself more visible. Well before they get close I am processing how I will help them get around me. If I can move onto the shoulder, into a parking lane, into a parking lot or other, I'll happily do it. If I can't get out of their way but they can safely pass, then we are all good. I am planning an escape route though in the event that it doesn't look like they see me. I am also looking over my shoulder so that they know that I know they are there.

In places where they can't safely pass and I can't get out of the way, I'll often hold up a finger as if to say "just a sec." I have found that if you let people know that you give a piss about their presence, they are much more patient. When it becomes safe for them to go around, or I find a place to get out of the way, then I wave them around and wave at them. That has served me perfectly. I often get a wave back.

I don't understand why it's an issue for anyone when cyclists are side by side on a road that's so narrow they'd have to go into the oncoming lane to safely pass a single cyclist. Tests have shown that motorists are in the oncoming lane for less time when they pass side by side cyclists rather than those that are strung out end to end. In the case of the video that I posted, the cyclist being side by side was a complete non-issue. There were no other cars in the left lane. What kind of ballbag gets worked up over the effort that it takes to move over? They didn't even have to slow. Is it the physical or emotional difficulty of applying gentle pressure to the steering wheel that causes people to lose their schidt?

I cannot envision any situation in which I's have a hard time passing side by side cyclists on a motorcycle. You can go from 10-40 in 2-3 seconds on almost any motorcycle. It was difficult for me to pick off a pack of Harleys in deals gap on my scooter. I had to work at that.

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Wow, that was easy! Point proven. 😁
Originally Posted by dodgefan
The Live Car Free crowd are by far the worst of the cyclist types, judging off what they write on the bike forum.

Far and away the most obnoxiously militant and annoying subset. They'll post a pic of a delivery truck parked in the bike lane making a delivery to a business that has no parking lot and no off street parking anywhere. I'll ask them where they would park if they were driving the truck and get "it's not my problem, just not in the bike lane." They post a pic with their rant. The pic will show a wide open road with no traffic. I think about them the same way I think about motorists complaining about cyclists. Just go around, it ain't that damn hard.
Originally Posted by Mossback
We have a blacktopped trail 50 feet off the road for bikes and walkers and they still ride in the road. When asked why I was told it was a pain in the ass going around the slow walkers. You can’t make this stuff up


I can believe that
Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by JeffA
There 80 sharp curves on the road to my house.

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Most of them are limited sight to totally blind.
The speed limit is 45 mph, most drive 55+ mph.

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Car and Driver Magazine test drives cars on this road.

Florida may be short on good driving roads, but we found one in Shelby's supercharged 610-hp pony car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g28746694/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-by-the-numbers-gallery/

It'd take about 2 hours to make this 15 minute drive if one were to creep around every corner and peek to see if a Bicycle was blocking the roadway.

Bicycle riders die every year on this road..

Yet we offer miles and miles of bicycle trails throughout the county.
https://www.citrushills.com/blog/great-guide-and-map-to-citrus-county-cycling

Why are they so slow to learn?

I should run a dump truck at 10MPH through there. That'd be fun! Mr Hot Shoes would probably get the message quick.

Dump truck is WAY EASIER to see... than a rainbow G String on a Freddie Mercury wannabee...

Not criticizing... only pointing out relevant math.


BOOM, good one cashking
For all the bicycle hate out there, Im glad everyone enjoys riding behind a combine for 5 miles

No one has tossed anything at me yet for driving the bush hog tractor 12 miles at 7mph 🤠🤠🤠
Farmers have to do what they have to do. Bicycle riders just do because they can!!!!
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
I don't normally bike on the road because I'm afraid to, reading this thread doesn't help. I get that a rider needs to be very careful about moving to the right to let cars pass since many of them will crowd past without consideration as to how close their car or their mirror may be to the rider, It's better to have them move left to make a conscious pass. There are a percentage of roadies that make a point of riding siding by side and claiming a whole lane "because it's their right" that really piss people off and cause some of this hate. I remember following bicycles on buisy park roads where I couldn't pass in the oncoming lane, that wouldn't even move over to let me pass on my motorcycle, dicks.
Just do like a few of the retards do around here...
Since MI passed the 3' rule they've started hanging a pool noodle that's 3' long sticking out the left side of their bike. grin
While I'll admit to riding my bike on the streets in our subdivision exercising my goof ball GSP I generally do it before sunrise when the road surface is cooler. A couple of miles of our route are on a sidewalk, if we encounter walkers/joggers or other people out walking their dogs I'll anounce loudly what side I intend to pass on and then move off the sidewalk and onto the grass as far away as possible to overtake the person.


new game grab the noodle, think a cop would pull them over for that one, they start doing that schit around here I'll put my dog in the back with the window down she loves to shred pool noodles
Originally Posted by slumlord
For all the bicycle hate out there, Im glad everyone enjoys riding behind a combine for 5 miles

No one has tossed anything at me yet for driving the bush hog tractor 12 miles at 7mph 🤠🤠🤠

goodam bicycles

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Originally Posted by steveredd1
new game grab the noodle,

You would like that game. Is that a West Virginia thing? lolololol
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steveredd1
new game grab the noodle,

You would like that game. Is that a West Virginia thing? lolololol

Everyone who does't agree with Pauli is inferior...

lolololol indeed.........
Well Paul now we know how you ride. Short story here bear with me. A few years ago while driving up the Umpqua River, from Roseburg to Diamond Lake! I came around an s curve , in time to see two bikes head on a Sprinter van. The bikers were racing down the mountain . Both air lifted. I never found out if they survived. The road has little to no shoulder in that section. Personally I believe, they shouldn't have been on that section of road. I'm not opposed to bike riding. Bike riders cause most of their own problems, with traffic. And requardless of your thought on how they pay for the privilege, of riding the hwy, they are subsidised by the general fund in my state. All these bike trails were not paid for by the bikers! Taxes on all the bikes in my state wouldn't pay for ten miles of bike paths along roads, let alone the paint to mark them! Riding to keep in shape, is great. Just be safe, and please don't wear the spandex crap, unless you have a twat!
PaulaAssDuel,

Have you settled down or are you still spun up over that bag of tissues?
It's happened to me a few times, the last I caught up to the guys at a traffic light but they refused to get out the truck so we could sort things out, the light changed and they drove off. I've basically quit riding on the road as it's becoming more and more dangerous, sticking mostly to gravel roads and trails. My town has a large bike community and they seem to think that they own the road and show very little consideration for vehicles and the often inability to safely pass large groups of cyclist. I've bought at least five bikes from local shops and spent thousands of dollars in the process so I'm not anti-bike, I'm just don't have much patience for self-righteous folks who show very little regard for others.
God's placed Paul on this earth to be a HOA President!
Originally Posted by 257Bob
It's happened to me a few times, the last I caught up to the guys at a traffic light but they refused to get out the truck so we could sort things out, the light changed and they drove off. I've basically quit riding on the road as it's becoming more and more dangerous, sticking mostly to gravel roads and trails. My town has a large bike community and they seem to think that they own the road and show very little consideration for vehicles and the often inability to safely pass large groups of cyclist. I've bought at least five bikes from local shops and spent thousands of dollars in the process so I'm not anti-bike, I'm just don't have much patience for self-righteous folks who show very little regard for others.
I've told this story here before, a guy down in Taylor MI was driving his pickup, made a turn at a light that supposedly cut off a biker. The biker gets off of his bike, walks up to the driver's side window and punches the driver in the face twice through the open window. The driver (a former marine) fires two rounds from his .45 striking the biker in the chest. Biker left two young kids fatherless, surprisingly the democrap Wayne County prosecutor didn't charge the truck driver.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Paulie B - if you encounter a herd of phaggots rollerblading 3 wide in a no passing zone with steady on coming traffic how long would you say they get before they are asswholes?

Great question. I'd first assess why they might be three wide. There may be a reason for it. Then I'd do what I always do when pedestrians, cyclists, roller bladers doing that Apollo Onho back and forth thing, people with dogs on leashes etc. are spread across the path. I'd slow as I approached them, announce my presence, tell them that I am easing around their left, pass with minimal speed disparity and exchange pleasantries with them as I passed.

I don't think that brush passing them at a comparatively high rate of speed and throwing schidt at them is the right thing to do.

Cool, you mention a path and I assume you're Lance Armstrong LARPing. That doesn't address my question.

Now you're in your truck on a county road, somewhere in town, whatever - dealers choice. Oncoming traffic spaced in intervals that make passing unsafe for YOU. How long are you good with going 7mph while these 3 play grab ass in the road on skates?
Originally Posted by RUM7


Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I think about them the same way I think about motorists complaining about cyclists. Just go around, it ain't that damn hard.

Why doesn't this dild.o just relax and get around these spandex clad gentlefags safetly?!?!
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Originally Posted by RUM7
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Mic drop
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by 257Bob
It's happened to me a few times, the last I caught up to the guys at a traffic light but they refused to get out the truck so we could sort things out, the light changed and they drove off. I've basically quit riding on the road as it's becoming more and more dangerous, sticking mostly to gravel roads and trails. My town has a large bike community and they seem to think that they own the road and show very little consideration for vehicles and the often inability to safely pass large groups of cyclist. I've bought at least five bikes from local shops and spent thousands of dollars in the process so I'm not anti-bike, I'm just don't have much patience for self-righteous folks who show very little regard for others.
I've told this story here before, a guy down in Taylor MI was driving his pickup, made a turn at a light that supposedly cut off a biker. The biker gets off of his bike, walks up to the driver's side window and punches the driver in the face twice through the open window. The driver (a former marine) fires two rounds from his .45 striking the biker in the chest. Biker left two young kids fatherless, surprisingly the democrap Wayne County prosecutor didn't charge the truck driver.
This is exactly what would happen if somebody kept making a habit of just trying to be the tough guy and walk up to a trust they didn't like something that happened.
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Paulie B - if you encounter a herd of phaggots rollerblading 3 wide in a no passing zone with steady on coming traffic how long would you say they get before they are asswholes?

Great question. I'd first assess why they might be three wide. There may be a reason for it. Then I'd do what I always do when pedestrians, cyclists, roller bladers doing that Apollo Onho back and forth thing, people with dogs on leashes etc. are spread across the path. I'd slow as I approached them, announce my presence, tell them that I am easing around their left, pass with minimal speed disparity and exchange pleasantries with them as I passed.

I don't think that brush passing them at a comparatively high rate of speed and throwing schidt at them is the right thing to do.

Cool, you mention a path and I assume you're Lance Armstrong LARPing. That doesn't address my question.

Now you're in your truck on a county road, somewhere in town, whatever - dealers choice. Oncoming traffic spaced in intervals that make passing unsafe for YOU. How long are you good with going 7mph while these 3 play grab ass in the road on skates?

I don't have a firm answer for you. I am a big Golden Rule kind of guy. I'd expect them to do what I do and work me around them as soon as they reasonably can. If they insisted on being discourteous, I am a Golden Rule kind of guy! It's worth mentioning that what you are describing is far removed from the OP video.
Originally Posted by hillestadj
Originally Posted by RUM7


Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I think about them the same way I think about motorists complaining about cyclists. Just go around, it ain't that damn hard.

Why doesn't this dild.o just relax and get around these spandex clad gentlefags safetly?!?!
Yeah you get behind something like that you're moving industrial equipment large excavators dozers and such heavy large wide. Or better yet in a farm tractor with duals and a wide implement behind you just can't simply pass them. Too bad they don't have restrictions of no bicycles on roads with a speed limit of higher than 25 or 30 mph. Better yet not on the road at all go to one of them bicycle trails get the f*** off the road
Originally Posted by RUM7
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I do exactly what motorists do at stop signs and intersections. I'll break the speed limit when I can do so without endangering anyone, just like motorists do. I don't ride on minimum speed limit roads.

Are you going to lie and tell me that you don't break the law damn near every time you drive or are you going to be honest and admit that you do?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7
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I do exactly what motorists do at stop signs and intersections. I'll break the speed limit when I can do so without endangering anyone, just like motorists do. I don't ride on minimum speed limit roads.

Are you going to lie and tell me that you don't break the law damn near every time you drive or are you going to be honest and admit that you do?
Scheit, I break the law all the time. I just don't piss off and endanger all the other motorists when I do it.
Originally Posted by RUM7

I don't ride in groups like that in places where it would be hard for someone to pass.

With that said, the driver was stuck behind them going half the speed limit for two and a half minutes. That must have been traumatizing. I am sure this sort of thing happens to our members on a regular basis.

Today some texting or otherwise oblivious dimwit will get off the line too slow at a traffic light and get me caught by another light cycle. I'll be stopped there not moving at all for two minutes. Of course, that never happens to any of you.

lol
What I always love is cycist riding thru the ranch on the county road opening day of deer season. And they have to continue thru other ranches to get to their destination.

Now, they are safe riding thru our place. Ain’t nobody gonna shoot em by accident or on purpose on our ranch. Just look at em and shake my head. Because I know who is out on our ranch and their hunting ethics and safety level is high. They know where the public roads are and where neighbors live. YOU DONT SHOOT THAT DIRECTION!!!

But, I haven’t a clue what kind of moron might be hunting some of the other places around the area anymore. As a cyclist I would be a bit concerned for my safety plowing down such a road just because I could! Like no phuqing sense at all!!!
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
What I always love is cycist riding thru the ranch on the county road opening day of deer season. And they have to continue thru other ranches to get to their destination.

Now, they are safe riding thru our place. Ain’t nobody gonna shoot em by accident or on purpose on our ranch. Just look at em and shake my head. Because I know who is out on our ranch and their hunting ethics and safety level is high. They know where the public roads are and where neighbors live. YOU DONT SHOOT THAT DIRECTION!!!

But, I haven’t a clue what kind of moron might be hunting some of the other places around the area anymore. As a cyclist I would be a bit concerned for my safety plowing down such a road just because I could! Like no phuqing sense at all!!!

I'll have to remember not to wear my deer head helmet when I ride down the public roads near a drunk ranchers house.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7

I don't ride in groups like that in places where it would be hard for someone to pass.

With that said, the driver was stuck behind them going half the speed limit for two and a half minutes. That must have been traumatizing. I am sure this sort of thing happens to our members on a regular basis.

Today some texting or otherwise oblivious dimwit will get off the line too slow at a traffic light and get me caught by another light cycle. I'll be stopped there not moving at all for two minutes. Of course, that never happens to any of you.

lol


But you defend the actions of groups like this. Can't get yourself to say," Yeah. Those guys are dicks."

The vid cut off after 2.5 minutes, didn't show how long he was stuck behind him. Also don't know if anyone was behind the auto and for how long.

Try following something like that while they climb a thousand foot hill at 4 mph. I have to regularly in the summer. "Oh, how inconvenienced were you...". Jesus.

Those guys are selfish inconsiderate [bleep]. Admit it.

Also seem to have a good grip on whataboutism, though.

What a piece of work...
Bike Nazis!!
Your safe Paulie, least on our place. Only folks getting shot on our spread are them what need shootin’! 🤣

LOL. Reminds me of old rancher I knew years ago out on the Pecos! (Ed too many letters! If you’re reading this, Kat knew him too. Least she knew his kids). We were always on the ranch next door to him. He told us outright “Do NOT cross the fence on come on his property! End of story! If a wounded deer jumps the fence, just go shoot another one! And if you see a bear, anywhere. Shoot it! Drag it off in the cedars and keep your mouth shut!" LOL! I can see his still setting in the chair in his living room telling us that! Old feller was tough as nails.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

I should feel honored that aggrievedSteve90210 took a break from his sky is falling agenda to join me here. Will spandex spell the end of the world?
Still attacking the messenger and ignoring the message I see.
Originally Posted by Steve
But you defend the actions of groups like this. Can't get yourself to say," Yeah. Those guys are dicks."

The vid cut off after 2.5 minutes, didn't show how long he was stuck behind him. Also don't know if anyone was behind the auto and for how long.

Try following something like that while they climb a thousand foot hill at 4 mph. I have to regularly in the summer. "Oh, how inconvenienced were you...". Jesus.

Those guys are selfish inconsiderate [bleep]. Admit it.

Also seem to have a good grip on whataboutism, though.

What a piece of work...

I did not defend their actions. I said I wouldn't do it. At the same time, I framed the encounter with perspective. If you are a Republican, you are the first one I have ever seen use the word whataboutism. They (libs) loathe when people paint a situation with a little perspective. When it's convenient to their team, they demand things be viewed in a vacuum.
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

I should feel honored that aggrievedSteve90210 took a break from his sky is falling agenda to join me here. Will spandex spell the end of the world?
Still attacking the messenger and ignoring the message I see.

You didn't post a message. You cried out some irrelevance.
The way I see it is if non-bike riders don't tolerate bike-riders, there isn't a strong argument for non-hunters tolerating hunters. So I tend to think unless bike-riders are deliberately disruptive, let 'em be.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.


This is just too much!

I used to think that picture of you on your avatar was you, wearing a skid lid, but now I know it is toilet paper from having your head up your ass so many times…
Paul, you seem like a smart man. I often enjoy your devil's advocate positioning.
Can we all admit that a large percentage of bicyclists are entitled dicks?
Also, can we all agree that no one wants to see a grown man in a full spandex outfit?
Thirdly, can we agree that any grown man who wears full spandex in the name of aerodynamics is a raging homosexual?
I think there are some things that just can't be logically disputed.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by steveredd1
new game grab the noodle,

You would like that game. Is that a West Virginia thing? lolololol


I'm not the one wearing spandex and a gay little helmet
Originally Posted by RUM7
Paul, you seem like a smart man. I often enjoy your devil's advocate positioning.
Can we all admit that a large percentage of bicyclists are entitled dicks?
Also, can we all agree that no one wants to see a grown man in a full spandex outfit?
Thirdly, can we agree that any grown man who wears full spandex in the name of aerodynamics is a raging homosexual?
I think there are some things that just can't be logically disputed.
A lot of men don't like long-hairs or earings etc on a male, thinking they look girly, but they tolerate it. Bike riders wear the clothing for aerodynamics and so they can be seen by car drivers etc, just like hunters might wear camo for ... camouflage.
For bikers, rainbow spandex is considered camouflage, you blend right in.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7

I don't ride in groups like that in places where it would be hard for someone to pass.


lol


what everybody else hates your gutts too
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Originally Posted by RUM7
Paul, you seem like a smart man. I often enjoy your devil's advocate positioning.
Can we all admit that a large percentage of bicyclists are entitled dicks?
Also, can we all agree that no one wants to see a grown man in a full spandex outfit?
Thirdly, can we agree that any grown man who wears full spandex in the name of aerodynamics is a raging homosexual?
I think there are some things that just can't be logically disputed.
A lot of men don't like long-hairs or earings etc on a male, thinking they look girly, but they tolerate it. Bike riders wear the clothing for aerodynamics, just like hunters might wear camo for ... camouflage.
Yeah that's a leap.
Riding around for an hour in a pack on Sunday morning and then meeting up at the local coffee house for a meet and greet with the other twinkies requires superior aerodynamics?
Thats as stupid as the guy walking around BassPro in head to toe camo picking out his new Yeti can cooler.
I frequently see hunters at airports wearing their camo, fly fisherman wearing their fly fishing gear on a flight to Alaska etc, BJJ wrestlers wearing their uniform on the way to and from their training. Who cares whether you wear whatever clothing is suitable for the activity you do, outside of that activity, on the way to or from home? If it is convenient to do so, why not? I think we are moving away from the idea that you don't wear a specific style of clothing for a specific activity just because some people might think it's gay. If you are not gay, you shouldn't need to worry that some people might think that you are gay just because of the sport specific clothing that you wear.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.


This is just too much!

I used to think that picture of you on your avatar was you, wearing a skid lid, but now I know it is toilet paper from having your head up your ass so many times…

What is it with a bunch of triggered bitter boomers from Stumpfugk Montana that they cannot handle the 3 or 4 bicyclists they encounter every year. I thought y'all bare knuckle brawled grizzly bears and schidt up there. All I can figure is that it's some kind of latent homosexual thing.
Now he goes all homo
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by HawkI
Originally Posted by steve4102
Really.

You actually have No Clue do you.

Yeah, that's the problem; he doesn't see an issue having traffic slowed down and a dozen cars behind him. Everyone else is the problem, hence the thread.

I have never had a dozen cars behind me. Anytime any car approaches from the rear I am looking for ways to work them around me. I take a very cooperative approach to riding on the road. I doubt anyone has ever been behind me for more than 30 seconds. All of us have been hung up by an inconsiderate motorist for longer than that. Hell, I'll get held up more by other cars today than I have held up motorists over the whole of my bicycle riding life.


This is just too much!

I used to think that picture of you on your avatar was you, wearing a skid lid, but now I know it is toilet paper from having your head up your ass so many times…

What is it with a bunch of triggered bitter boomers from Stumpfugk Montana that they cannot handle the 3 or 4 bicyclists they encounter every year. I thought y'all bare knuckle brawled grizzly bears and schidt up there. All I can figure is that it's some kind of latent homosexual thing.

The bicyclist threads complaining about encounters seem to be started primarily by bicyclists. The throwing of purses - seems to be from a bicycle, not from a car....
Originally Posted by RUM7
Paul, you seem like a smart man. I often enjoy your devil's advocate positioning.
Can we all admit that a large percentage of bicyclists are entitled dicks?
Also, can we all agree that no one wants to see a grown man in a full spandex outfit?
Thirdly, can we agree that any grown man who wears full spandex in the name of aerodynamics is a raging homosexual?
I think there are some things that just can't be logically disputed.

Alright, I'll level with you brother. I am not really very smart at all. For example I hope that when I post six different links showing how bicyclist contribute to building and maintaining roads, I expect that to sink in at some point. That is just damn dumb on my part.

I rarely associate with cyclists. In my limited interactions with them, the biggest dicks seem to riders in my demographic. They never seem to be happy. It's like they ride with a chip on their shoulder. I was passing a guy my age who was riding a bamboo bike. As I got beside him, I commented that it looked like art in motion. NOTHING. No reaction whatsoever. No smile, no thank you, nothing. Damn man, I am happy when I am riding, even when my lungs are hanging out in exhaustion.

A few pages back a video showed a group ride with a schidt ton of riders. I don't like that. If that was a very short stretch on a weekend morning I could tolerate it, but I wouldn't like it. More than a minute or two, it's time to break things up and spread things out, or be willing to pull over. I used to ride with the Gulf Coast Bicycle Club when I lived in MS. Great guys and gals. When we did weekend group rides, we did them on lightly traveled rural backroads and we worked cars around us as quickly as we could. Our groups were seldom more than 10 or so. EVERY single one of those riders gave a damn about motorists.

I'll say this too. I have a bunch of passtimes. Boating, kayaking, motorcycling, fishing, hunting and bicycling. The nerdiest group by far are bicyclists. The most nauseatingly liberal are the motorcyclists. The grumpiest, most perpetually butthurt...never mind, I was on a good roll.

Spandex shorts. I wear them. I have no idea why but that pad in them makes worlds of difference in comfort. If I ride 20 miles without them, I'll have bruises over my sit bones. No amount of padding in a seat can change that, but that damn thin layer of padding does. I can't explain it. The material keeps the nuggets in place to, and that matters. I don't give a cock and balls about aerodynamics.

I agree that no man wants to see me in spandex, and frankly (pun intended) I find a measure of comfort in that. Women on the other hand...
I just took a quick 20 mile ride. I passed down Central Ave in Old Jefferson on the way out. 30 minutes later I came back the same way, and this massive oak limb had fallen across the road. Yeah, I know, too bad about the timing. But this, boys and girls, is why you don't outdrive your line of sight in blind curves and blind hills. If this was on the other side of that blind curve, it'd damn sure get your attention.

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Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists

[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.
Pauline sounds just like a democrat. You know how Democrats say well I personally don't but then they defend ever ride or looter criminal gay transgender child molesting f*** ups....
Paulette decides that she's nothing like that but defends ever ignorant bicyclist out there....
Originally Posted by smokepole
For bikers, rainbow spandex is considered camouflage, you blend right in.

And Made in the U.ETH.A.

https://www.aerotechdesigns.com/ride-with-pride-rainbow-shorts.html
Originally Posted by akasparky
Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists


[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.

When you look at how long and straight that road is, it makes you wonder what kind of retread couldn't see cyclists there. That road is very lightly traveled with very good sight lines. No excuse other than stupidity. Well that and a full size Chevyy/GMC pickup or SUV. You add that to middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male, and it's a recipe for disaster.
The bike riders obviously got in the way of the Tahoe.

I'm sure the 2nd most dangerous state to ride bikes in will shift to Tennessee once you get moved there.
You're starting to sound like a liberal pundit Mr Barnard.
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by akasparky
Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists


[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.

When you look at how long and straight that road is, it makes you wonder what kind of retread couldn't see cyclists there. That road is very lightly traveled with very good sight lines. No excuse other than stupidity. Well that and a full size Chevyy/GMC pickup or SUV. You add that to middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male, and it's a recipe for disaster.

FUN FACT:

The driver responsible for those deaths has not paid for a drink since that fateful day.
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.
Originally Posted by Raferman
You're starting to sound like a liberal pundit Mr Barnard.

I really don't appreciate the "Mr."
Originally Posted by deflave
FUN FACT:

The driver responsible for those deaths has not paid for a drink since that fateful day.
lololol
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Raferman
You're starting to sound like a liberal pundit Mr Barnard.

I really don't appreciate the "Mr."

Hahaha. Good one, Paul.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Raferman
You're starting to sound like a liberal pundit Mr Barnard.

I really don't appreciate the "Mr."

PaulaAssDuel got him some preferred pronouns to match his bicycle helmet.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.

lololol Call Flave "Butter" 'cause he on a roll. Can you teach humor to some of these other miserable twats?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.

lololol Call Flave "Butter" 'cause he on a roll. Can you teach humor to some of these other miserable twats?

I’ve tried.

They just PM Rick and ask him to ban me. LOL
40 pages over a nothing burger. Unreal.

Bicycles tear up the grills of peoples cars all the time.

It ain't like the guy was pitching them ice cold beers.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.

lololol Call Flave "Butter" 'cause he on a roll. Can you teach humor to some of these other miserable twats?

I’ve tried.

They just PM Rick and ask him to ban me. LOL

Hahaha. Truth.
Paul, if you think you are brave, ride the blacktop wearing an Ingwe leotard.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.

lololol Call Flave "Butter" 'cause he on a roll. Can you teach humor to some of these other miserable twats?

I’ve tried.

They just PM Rick and ask him to ban me. LOL

lolololololol
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Paul, if you think you are brave, ride the blacktop wearing an Ingwe leotard.

He’s plenty brave. In a clutch of chickens who are mostly afraid the sky is falling.

Paul wades out into the deep end of the pool wearing only his Speedo Spandex Bike outfit and a penis helmet on his head, as he calls everyone out who drives on 4 tires for being an ignorant ass-hole.

Laffin

🦫
Throwing trash at them is being nice, reminding them of their safety.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Stophel
When I was a kid, my parents wouldn't let me ride my bike on the highway. It was too dangerous. It seems that it is still dangerous. Even if you're wearing a magic silver leotard and styrofoam helmet.

I think someone told Paul to go play in the highway when he was kid and he never realized it was sarcasm.

lololol Call Flave "Butter" 'cause he on a roll. Can you teach humor to some of these other miserable twats?

I’ve tried.

They just PM Rick and ask him to ban me. LOL



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Originally Posted by chaise
Throwing trash at them is being nice, reminding them of their safety.

What would this thread be without an intellectual heavyweight sock puppet ringing in?
Originally Posted by rickt300


oh yea.......I'm a Utah sprocket head from the 90's

Ya wanna hear some stories......?

With the hairy arm pit babes ?
Bicycles should be restricted to roads with a speed limit of 35 MPH or less
Originally Posted by 700LH
Bicycles should be restricted to roads with a speed limit of 35 MPH or less

Make that a 25 and I’m with ya!!!

There is simply too much traffic for bike traffic on roads built for cars and trucks.
Sounds like Paul has had a quarrel with his favorite bicycle seat, a spat with his pointiest seat. laugh
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by RUM7
Paul, you seem like a smart man. I often enjoy your devil's advocate positioning.
Can we all admit that a large percentage of bicyclists are entitled dicks?
Also, can we all agree that no one wants to see a grown man in a full spandex outfit?
Thirdly, can we agree that any grown man who wears full spandex in the name of aerodynamics is a raging homosexual?
I think there are some things that just can't be logically disputed.

Alright, I'll level with you brother. I am not really very smart at all. For example I hope that when I post six different links showing how bicyclist contribute to building and maintaining roads, I expect that to sink in at some point. That is just damn dumb on my part.

I rarely associate with cyclists. In my limited interactions with them, the biggest dicks seem to riders in my demographic. They never seem to be happy. It's like they ride with a chip on their shoulder. I was passing a guy my age who was riding a bamboo bike. As I got beside him, I commented that it looked like art in motion. NOTHING. No reaction whatsoever. No smile, no thank you, nothing. Damn man, I am happy when I am riding, even when my lungs are hanging out in exhaustion.

A few pages back a video showed a group ride with a schidt ton of riders. I don't like that. If that was a very short stretch on a weekend morning I could tolerate it, but I wouldn't like it. More than a minute or two, it's time to break things up and spread things out, or be willing to pull over. I used to ride with the Gulf Coast Bicycle Club when I lived in MS. Great guys and gals. When we did weekend group rides, we did them on lightly traveled rural backroads and we worked cars around us as quickly as we could. Our groups were seldom more than 10 or so. EVERY single one of those riders gave a damn about motorists.

I'll say this too. I have a bunch of passtimes. Boating, kayaking, motorcycling, fishing, hunting and bicycling. The nerdiest group by far are bicyclists. The most nauseatingly liberal are the motorcyclists. The grumpiest, most perpetually butthurt...never mind, I was on a good roll.

Spandex shorts. I wear them. I have no idea why but that pad in them makes worlds of difference in comfort. If I ride 20 miles without them, I'll have bruises over my sit bones. No amount of padding in a seat can change that, but that damn thin layer of padding does. I can't explain it. The material keeps the nuggets in place to, and that matters. I don't give a cock and balls about aerodynamics.

I agree that no man wants to see me in spandex, and frankly (pun intended) I find a measure of comfort in that. Women on the other hand...
I understand the taint padding. That makes good sense.
It's the bought and paid for fake sponsor shirt that really gets me. Believe it or not, when I was 18 I rode from Fort Bragg all the way down to the Golden Gate Bridge. All down Hwy 1.
Pretty cool experience with 2 buddies. We didn't have fancy bikes or spandex. We just slept in campsites and made it in 3 days if I remember correctly. It was a blast.
Then I grew up and quit riding after that. I could have used some taint padding after day 2.
Originally Posted by 257Bob
My town has a large bike community and they seem to think that they own the road and show very little consideration for vehicles and the often inability to safely pass large groups of cyclist. I've bought at least five bikes from local shops and spent thousands of dollars in the process so I'm not anti-bike, I'm just don't have much patience for self-righteous folks who show very little regard for others.

Most cyclists are d$cks, on or off road.

Off road, anytime cyclists share paved hike/bike trails with pedestrians they won’t bother to moderate their speed passing people, their kids or dogs. They seem to think that a shouted “ON YOUR LEFT!!!” right before a high speed pass just feet away makes it OK.

On dirt, mountain bikers will likewise will speed right past pedestrians on shared trails and around here and I suppose everywhere they invade wooded areas of parks and public land, tear the schidt out of them, and cut trees and bushes to create trails and build jumps.

As a group they really do suck.

And hey, I’ve been known to ride a bike a mile or two myself, still do.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Bicyclists always like to argue and play their games until they are reminded of simple math. Bicycles<≠motor vehicles. When one gets drilled they all stay off the roads until they forget the equation and go out and find out again.

I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time, It is not worth my life to ride on busy highways much less get an attitude about it.

Simple math comes into play in civil lawsuits too.
Well hell, post up some lawsuits where the dead bike guy won. If it comes down to taking a vehicle head on or taking out some bicyclists, I would say it would be an easy choice every time. I am sure you will feel better being dead while someone runs your lawsuit.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Raferman
You're starting to sound like a liberal pundit Mr Barnard.

I really don't appreciate the "Mr."


Ms better
Pauli just keeps on ticking and taking as ass kicking........
Originally Posted by BayouRover
Pauli just keeps on ticking and taking as ass kicking........


more like takes it up his ass
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by akasparky
Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists


[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.

When you look at how long and straight that road is, it makes you wonder what kind of retread couldn't see cyclists there. That road is very lightly traveled with very good sight lines. No excuse other than stupidity. Well that and a full size Chevyy/GMC pickup or SUV. You add that to middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male, and it's a recipe for disaster.

What kind of retread plays like kid on the highway?

You add a middle aged, entitled Lance Armstrong wannabe with a four year degree and it's a recipe for disaster.

The fat hick, for whatever he's lacking in education, isn't acting like a delinquent runaway fiddling around heavy machinery hauling ass on a highway. No excuse other than stupidity....
Originally Posted by rickt300

That's why there is a law against peddling puzzy.
Originally Posted by DugE
Originally Posted by 700LH
Bicycles should be restricted to roads with a speed limit of 35 MPH or less

Make that a 25 and I’m with ya!!!

There is simply too much traffic for bike traffic on roads built for cars and trucks.

Truth. The fuggers dont get to peddle on airstrips.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by 257Bob
My town has a large bike community and they seem to think that they own the road and show very little consideration for vehicles and the often inability to safely pass large groups of cyclist. I've bought at least five bikes from local shops and spent thousands of dollars in the process so I'm not anti-bike, I'm just don't have much patience for self-righteous folks who show very little regard for others.

Most cyclists are d$cks, on or off road.

Off road, anytime cyclists share paved hike/bike trails with pedestrians they won’t bother to moderate their speed passing people, their kids or dogs. They seem to think that a shouted “ON YOUR LEFT!!!” right before a high speed pass just feet away makes it OK.

On dirt, mountain bikers will likewise will speed right past pedestrians on shared trails and around here and I suppose everywhere they invade wooded areas of parks and public land, tear the schidt out of them, and cut trees and bushes to create trails and build jumps.

As a group they really do suck.

And hey, I’ve been known to ride a bike a mile or two myself, still do.

Truth. Bravo Birdy.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
When you look at how long and straight that road is, it makes you wonder what kind of retread couldn't see cyclists there. That road is very lightly traveled with very good sight lines. No excuse other than stupidity. Well that and a full size Chevyy/GMC pickup or SUV. You add that to middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male, and it's a recipe for disaster.

One more inch closer to the white line with every stupid comment.
Originally Posted by HawkI
Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists


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Wonder if the final utterance of the bicyclists was "I can't breath"?
Originally Posted by HawkI
[quote=PaulBarnard][quote=akasparky]Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists


[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.

When you look at how long and straight that road is, it makes you wonder what kind of retread couldn't see cyclists there. That road is very lightly traveled with very good sight lines. No excuse other than stupidity. Well that and a full size Chevyy/GMC pickup or SUV. You add that to middle aged, out of shape, poorly educated, white male, and it's a recipe for disaster. [quote].


Paul, would you let your kids drive their bikes on the highway?

You think bike riders are that much tougher than kids?

Was that hwy made for bikes or autos?

Just saying, legality doesnt always Trump common sense.

You can lowrate people who are psychologically groomed to look out for vehicles all you wish, but humans are creatures of habit. They dont always think of people dumb enough to ride toys on the hwy just as they arent always focused on watching for a drunk coming at them in the wrong lane or an airplane landing with them on the hwy. There is a reason railroad crossings have flashing lights.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Bicyclists always like to argue and play their games until they are reminded of simple math. Bicycles<≠motor vehicles. When one gets drilled they all stay off the roads until they forget the equation and go out and find out again.

I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time, It is not worth my life to ride on busy highways much less get an attitude about it.

Simple math comes into play in civil lawsuits too.
Well hell, post up some lawsuits where the dead bike guy won. If it comes down to taking a vehicle head on or taking out some bicyclists, I would say it would be an easy choice every time. I am sure you will feel better being dead while someone runs your lawsuit.

What a gaping hatchet gash.

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Says the dude riding around in spandex with a penis hat on. Then spend 20 pages arguing how cool you and your bike are. I don't think your "outdoor Sports" is the same as this sites "outdoor sports".

Guess you couldn't find those successful lawsuits either.

And aren't you the poop stain that posted a picture of yourself with a dress on to "mess" with your daughters date? Yeah, you fit right in here.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Bicyclists always like to argue and play their games until they are reminded of simple math. Bicycles<≠motor vehicles. When one gets drilled they all stay off the roads until they forget the equation and go out and find out again.

I don't care if I liked riding a bicycle so much that I rode around with a woody the whole time, It is not worth my life to ride on busy highways much less get an attitude about it.

Simple math comes into play in civil lawsuits too.
Well hell, post up some lawsuits where the dead bike guy won. If it comes down to taking a vehicle head on or taking out some bicyclists, I would say it would be an easy choice every time. I am sure you will feel better being dead while someone runs your lawsuit.

What a gaping hatchet gash.

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Lawsuits my ass...

Deer ran across the road... bike swerved into me... I accidentally drove over him... sorry.

I back up and drove over him again... oops... sorry again.

Drove forward to park my truck safety from addition traffic and low and behold... drove over the poor bastard a third time... triple sorry.

Sue the deer
I went back to his posts to find his transvestite pic but this ass clown posts 50-100 times daily. I don't have time for that. lol
I thought cyclists were thin? Most of the people in Op's video were chubby at best.
Originally Posted by Stickfight
I thought cyclists were thin? Most of the people in Op's video were chubby at best.

Built in bumpers to deflect garbage thrown out of car windows
Originally Posted by KSMITH
And aren't you the poop stain that posted a picture of yourself with a dress on to "mess" with your daughters date? Yeah, you fit right in here.


I think that's correct.... narcissists are not worth interacting with in general. Maybe Jaba The Hut could meet up with him after he gets out of jail.... I know that's who I thought of when I saw that clip.
Originally Posted by akasparky
Schit you can't makeup...

Report says Louisiana second most dangerous state for cyclists

[Linked Image from bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com]Two bicycles lay on the side of La. 66 in West Feliciana Parish after a fatal crash causing the death of Baton Rouge Metro Councilman Buddy Amoroso. Amoroso and Thomas Clement were struck by a Chevrolet Tahoe while riding. Advocate staff photo

Louisiana has again been dubbed one of the most dangerous states in the nation to ride a bicycle, sparking debate on just why a seemingly innocent exercise seems to carry inordinate risks.

Last week, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal concluded that the state is No. 2 nationally in bicyclist deaths, behind only Florida.

The same review said New Orleans is the sixth most dangerous of 50 metro areas when it comes to bike riding.

The grim review is not the first of its kind.

In 2015, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Louisiana had the the third highest rate of bicyclist deaths in the nation, behind Florida and Delaware.

Paul,
Is it lost on you as to why the Center for Disease Control and Prevention are the ones that have to deal with stupid bicycle rider issues?

They may have a vaccine that could cure what ail's you.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
And aren't you the poop stain that posted a picture of yourself with a dress on to "mess" with your daughters date? Yeah, you fit right in here.

Actually, that was pretty damn funny.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Says the dude riding around in spandex with a penis hat on. Then spend 20 pages arguing how cool you and your bike are. I don't think your "outdoor Sports" is the same as this sites "outdoor sports".

Guess you couldn't find those successful lawsuits either.

And aren't you the poop stain that posted a picture of yourself with a dress on to "mess" with your daughters date? Yeah, you fit right in here.

Oh goodness, it seems as if I have struck a nerd.
Nah, he is too busy hurling insults at anyone who applies logic to his gay bicycle riding. That is kind of his MO, someone disagrees with him and he immediately insults them. But hey, he IS averaging 50 posts a day.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
applies logic to his gay bicycle riding.

Let's just let this marinade for a bit. lololol
Having handled insurance liability claims for the last 31 years, and having handled hundreds, if not over a 1,000 claims involving cars and bicycles, I would say around 50% of the time the car is at fault, 50% the bicyclist. I would say the biggest issue with bicyclists I've seen is, in no particular order,

1) swerving left into the path of an overtaking car,
2) riding on the wrong side of the road,
3) riding at night with no lights,
4) lane splitting, riding up the right side of a line of cars at a stop light and running into a car that is turning right,
5) and one I have personally seen a lot since there are a lot of bike routes where I live, a group of bicyclists spilling out past a stop sign as if they were one big catepillar into the path of a car that has right of way without understanding that every bicyclist in that group has an individual duty to stop at the stop sign.

Drivers tend to pass too closely and clip bicyclists, and tend to pass and turn right into the path of the bike, and parallel parkers that open doors into the path of approaching bicyclists.

As far as lawsuits - the vast, vast majority of legit claims get settled before a lawsuit is ever filed. Most lawsuits are settled in mediation or during the discovery process without ever making it into a court room. Verdicts as a proportion of total claims is miniscule. Most cases go to trial over liability disputes, not damages, though some go over damage disputes. Defendants are usually represented by a good attorney paid for my their insurer. Liability disputes tend to fall out in favor of the defendant. Insurers only tend to take the strongest cases to court. Hardly any verdicts are published publicly so finding them to post here would be very hard.
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Originally Posted by 10Glocks
Having handled insurance liability claims for the last 31 years, and having handled hundreds, if not over a 1,000 claims involving cars and bicycles, I would say around 50% of the time the car is at fault, 50% the bicyclist. I would say the biggest issue with bicyclists I've seen is, in no particular order,

1) swerving left into the path of an overtaking car,
2) riding on the wrong side of the road,
3) riding at night with no lights,
4) lane splitting, riding up the right side of a line of cars at a stop light and running into a car that is turning right,
5) and one I have personally seen a lot since there are a lot of bike routes where I live, a group of bicyclists spilling out past a stop sign as if they were one big catepillar into the path of a car that has right of way without understanding that every bicyclist in that group has an individual duty to stop at the stop sign.

Drivers tend to pass too closely and clip bicyclists, and tend to pass and turn right into the path of the bike, and parallel parkers that open doors into the path of approaching bicyclists.

As far as lawsuits - the vast, vast majority of legit claims get settled before a lawsuit is ever filed. Most lawsuits are settled in mediation or during the discovery process without ever making it into a court room. Verdicts as a proportion of total claims is miniscule. Most cases go to trial over liability disputes, not damages, though some go over damage disputes. Defendants are usually represented by a good attorney paid for my their insurer. Liability disputes tend to fall out in favor of the defendant. Insurers only tend to take the strongest cases to court. Hardly any verdicts are published publicly so finding them to post here would be very hard.
All that really has no meaning if the bicyclist is dead does it? Knowing he is 50/50 supposed to make him feel better while he is taking a dirt nap? I don't know where you live but around here, bicycles don't do so well when an automobile of your choice hits them. I would rather be alive than put myself in losing fight and getting killed. People on bikes love to play games with traffic and exert their rights all over the place until a couple of them get wiped out, the they ar all "Oh ma gawd, we was just riding 23 abreast. The driver should have ran into oncoming traffic or hit a tree instead of mowing us down like cornstalks". Kind of like people who have to pick up snakes and then are shocked when they get bit. SMH

And to be honest, I don't like Paul, I don't like looking at his stupid avatar picture with his penis protector on, I don't care for his insulting replies when you don't agree with him, I don't like his whiney posts, I hate clicking onto the site to see him constantly whining about bike riders, riding etc...yeah, can't think of one redeeming quality of the guy. Like there must be a forum out there for him to talk biking but he chooses to do it here and be a whiney c u n t about it.
That's funny, JeffA.

The funniest ything I ever saw, and it was a one in a million hit, we when I was a kid. I had one of those GI Joe Jeeps, the ones with the trailer that had a toy recoilless rifle on it:

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Those toy gun had a pretty powerful spring in them to launch plastic shells. But it didn't take boys long to figure out acorns fit in them perfectly.

I had my buddy Jamie over at my house and we were using that gun to launch acorns. A totally innocent and unsuspecting girl, 14 or so, came riding up the street on her bicycle. Jamie pointed that toy gun at her, raised the muzzle to 45 degrees, and hit the lever to launch tha acron. That acorn flew 50 feet of so and hit that girl right in the face and she fell off her bike skinning her knee. I always (kinda) felt bad about that, but no one could have made that shot again if theytried for a hundred years.
He taught that little nasty mouthed girl a lesson.
Originally Posted by JeffA
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That will teach her to talk trash and ride with no hands. lol
Originally Posted by JeffA
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Maybe that should be one of them tick tok challenges except a rider must be in spandex and a helmet bonus points if they're on the highway
Originally Posted by KSMITH
All that really has no meaning if the bicyclist is dead does it? Knowing he is 50/50 supposed to make him feel better while he is taking a dirt nap? I don't know where you live but around here, bicycles don't do so well when an automobile of your choice hits them. SMH

It is what it is. Whoever is at fault is going to pay. If the guy is dead, he's dead, and his personal representative gets the make the claim on his behalf.

And I live in SE Virginia and work for an insurer with a claims office in Chesapeake. I've been handling insurance claims in Virginia for my full 31 years, and am licensed in every state in the US that requires an adjuster license. I've been handling claims in Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware, North Carolina, and West Virginia, Alabama and Germany for the last 25 years, as well as other locations as needed.

My experience is that both bicyclists and driver are the causes of bike/car accidents on about an equal basis. Either group si more righteous tha the other.

The worst claims I'ver handled have been bike versus bike. Bicyclists colliding with each other on northern Virginia bike routes. I've seen some really bad injuries coming from bike v. bike collisions. Neither rider wants to admit they rode negligently. Both claim the other was a complete dumbass. And when it comes to property damage, they tend to try and outdo each other. "I was on a Lightspeed that I paid $10,000 for three years ago." "Oh yeah, I was riding a Lightspeed I paid $13,000 for two years ago." These claims [bleep] suck.
Originally Posted by 10Glocks
and parallel parkers that open doors into the path of approaching bicyclists.

One of my favorite pastimes 😁
Originally Posted by 10Glocks
Originally Posted by KSMITH
All that really has no meaning if the bicyclist is dead does it? Knowing he is 50/50 supposed to make him feel better while he is taking a dirt nap? I don't know where you live but around here, bicycles don't do so well when an automobile of your choice hits them. SMH

It is what it is. Whoever is at fault is going to pay. If the guy is dead, he's dead, and his personal representative gets the make the claim on his behalf.

And I live in SE Virginia and work for an insurer with a claims office in Chesapeake. I've been handling insurance claims in Virginia for my full 31 years, and am licensed in every state in the US that requires an adjuster license. I've been handling claims in Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware, North Carolina, and West Virginia, Alabama and Germany for the last 25 years, as well as other locations as needed.

My experience is that both bicyclists and driver are the causes of bike/car accidents on about an equal basis. Either group si more righteous tha the other.

The worst claims I'ver handled have been bike versus bike. Bicyclists colliding with each other on northern Virginia bike routes. I've seen some really bad injuries coming from bike v. bike collisions. Neither rider wants to admit they rode negligently. Both claim the other was a complete dumbass. And when it comes to property damage, they tend to try and outdo each other. "I was on a Lightspeed that I paid $10,000 for three years ago." "Oh yeah, I was riding a Lightspeed I paid $13,000 for two years ago." These claims [bleep] suck.
Small world. I am Chesapeake as well. You could make a good living off Pungo and surrounding roads on the weekends. Do you remember when somebody spread tacks all over the road to take out the bike tires and not the car tires? There is seriously a lot of hate with the residents down there against the bikes lol
Originally Posted by 10Glocks
Having handled insurance liability claims for the last 31 years, and having handled hundreds, if not over a 1,000 claims involving cars and bicycles, I would say around 50% of the time the car is at fault, 50% the bicyclist. I would say the biggest issue with bicyclists I've seen is, in no particular order,

1) swerving left into the path of an overtaking car,
2) riding on the wrong side of the road,
3) riding at night with no lights,
4) lane splitting, riding up the right side of a line of cars at a stop light and running into a car that is turning right,
5) and one I have personally seen a lot since there are a lot of bike routes where I live, a group of bicyclists spilling out past a stop sign as if they were one big catepillar into the path of a car that has right of way without understanding that every bicyclist in that group has an individual duty to stop at the stop sign.

Drivers tend to pass too closely and clip bicyclists, and tend to pass and turn right into the path of the bike, and parallel parkers that open doors into the path of approaching bicyclists.

As far as lawsuits - the vast, vast majority of legit claims get settled before a lawsuit is ever filed. Most lawsuits are settled in mediation or during the discovery process without ever making it into a court room. Verdicts as a proportion of total claims is miniscule. Most cases go to trial over liability disputes, not damages, though some go over damage disputes. Defendants are usually represented by a good attorney paid for my their insurer. Liability disputes tend to fall out in favor of the defendant. Insurers only tend to take the strongest cases to court. Hardly any verdicts are published publicly so finding them to post here would be very hard.

Damn, this is a really interesting post. I really appreciate you taking time to share this.

I tend to think the 50/50 split on at fault is pretty accurate. I have done a lot of reading on it and most suggests pretty close to a 50/50 split. Can you ball park a percentage of the cyclist at fault cases where the bicyclist was an indigent or for some reason couldn't hold a license? The reason that I ask is that those that I most often see riding against traffic and riding without lights look like they fall into that category.

The individual duty to stop begs a little discussion. I don't ride in large groups and can picture what you are talking about and agree that the long line moving through without stopping is a bad idea. If my group, say 8 riders, comes to a stop sign. We bunch together and occupy the footprint of a typical motor vehicle. If a car is coming, we stop and yield right of way. When we can safely go, we move through as a unit. I see that as pretty harmless, and if it's a busy 4 way stop intersection, it serves to allow cross traffic to get through much more quickly.

I don't do and don't like the filtering thing.

The cyclist swerving into an overtaking car. How often in those cases is it clear that the cyclist did the swerving? Do you work in one state or multiple? If those states have minimum passing distances (3 feet in most states) it would be one hell of a swerve for a cyclist to drift 3 feet over and into a car. I would guess that these cases are often he said/she said? If I were a betting man, I'd bet that in most of these cases the auto driver wasn't giving the minimum.

Something to consider for those that have an open mind or are reasonable. The three most common auto driver at fault collisions that you mention all have something in common. Cyclists who want to mitigate those risks would move further out into the lane. And we all know how that plays with motorists. Just something to think about.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
[quote=10Glocks]
All that really has no meaning if the bicyclist is dead does it? Knowing he is 50/50 supposed to make him feel better while he is taking a dirt nap? I don't know where you live but around here, bicycles don't do so well when an automobile of your choice hits them. I would rather be alive than put myself in losing fight and getting killed. People on bikes love to play games with traffic and exert their rights all over the place until a couple of them get wiped out, the they ar all "Oh ma gawd, we was just riding 23 abreast. The driver should have ran into oncoming traffic or hit a tree instead of mowing us down like cornstalks". Kind of like people who have to pick up snakes and then are shocked when they get bit. SMH

And to be honest, I don't like Paul, I don't like looking at his stupid avatar picture with his penis protector on, I don't care for his insulting replies when you don't agree with him, I don't like his whiney posts, I hate clicking onto the site to see him constantly whining about bike riders, riding etc...yeah, can't think of one redeeming quality of the guy. Like there must be a forum out there for him to talk biking but he chooses to do it here and be a whiney c u n t about it.

I just wanted to parse this out of your post.

"I don't like his whiney posts"

lolololol
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Originally Posted by KSMITH
Small world. I am Chesapeake as well. You could make a good living off Pungo and surrounding roads on the weekends. Do you remember when somebody spread tacks all over the road to take out the bike tires and not the car tires? There is seriously a lot of hate with the residents down there against the bikes lol

Yep, I remember the tack incident well. laugh
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Originally Posted by Muffin

Hi Muffin. Who would have thought that you would join our circus? lol

We loved our vacation down there. You live in a very cool place.
Was that Paul?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Muffin

Hi Muffin. Who would have thought that you would join our circus? lol

We loved our vacation down there. You live in a very cool place.

It is a neat place, getting a bit crowded for my liking. The DEMs seem to be pushing their folks into our state.

They will leave when we run out of fresh water though................

I live in one of the oldest demographics in the state, it's dangerous when I am in my truck.....

If you cycle here you are far braver than I......

cheers.
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Muffin

Hi Muffin. Who would have thought that you would join our circus? lol

We loved our vacation down there. You live in a very cool place.

It is a neat place, getting a bit crowded for my liking. The DEMs seem to be pushing their folks into our state.

They will leave when we run out of fresh water though................

I live in one of the oldest demographics in the state, it's dangerous when I am in my truck.....

If you cycle here you are far braver than I......

cheers.

I didn't love what I saw there from a bicyclists perspective. I took my bicycles down there the first time I went. Left them at home this year!
Originally Posted by Muffin

Took time to watch that. The cyclist was completely wrong. If he had dismounted the bike and walked across then he would have been afforded the legal status of a pedestrian. That was not an extension of the bike lane. It was a crosswalk.

But, wait for it...

The truck driver never came to a complete stop.
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Can you ball park a percentage of the cyclist at fault cases where the bicyclist was an indigent or for some reason couldn't hold a license? The reason that I ask is that those that I most often see riding against traffic and riding without lights look like they fall into that category.


I don't know a percentage, but can say most bike accident claims arfe with casual riders, not the more serious cyclists. The ones riding against traffic are usually the ones that are coming home from a convenience store run and has a bag hanging from the handle bars, or a kid, or something like that.


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The individual duty to stop begs a little discussion. I don't ride in large groups and can picture what you are talking about and agree that the long line moving through without stopping is a bad idea. If my group, say 8 riders, comes to a stop sign. We bunch together and occupy the footprint of a typical motor vehicle. If a car is coming, we stop and yield right of way. When we can safely go, we move through as a unit. I see that as pretty harmless, and if it's a busy 4 way stop intersection, it serves to allow cross traffic to get through much more quickly.

None of the states I adjust claims in view a group of riders as a single entity. They all have their indiviidal duties. Each has a duty to stop. Most drivers do let a group come out, but often times there are stragglers a few yards behind trying to catch up to the group who will ride right through a stop sign without stopping.

The other issues is passing a line of bicyclists and then have the lead guy way up ahead throw out a left turn signal and all the bikes following swerve left like a snake. They all have a duty to ride appropiately and signal their individual intentions.


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The cyclist swerving into an overtaking car. How often in those cases is it clear that the cyclist did the swerving?


This is probably the most common accident I've seen involving serious bicyclists. Riding to the right and needing to a make a left turn, and swerving left without regard to a overtaking car in the "blindspot" position. Happens all the time, particularly in northern Virginia. It's usually an easy one to defend for the driver. Often times there are witnesses, and with the proliferation of dash cams and security cams and Ring doorbells, we end up finding a lot captured on video.


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Do you work in one state or multiple?

I regularly work in Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware and NC. I do have a resident Florida adjuster's license and that is reciprocal with all other states that require licenses, so I have licenses to adjust claims in all states that require a license, including Louisiana. I handle claims in other states as needed.


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If those states have minimum passing distances (3 feet in most states) it would be one hell of a swerve for a cyclist to drift 3 feet over and into a car. I would guess that these cases are often he said/she said? If I were a betting man, I'd bet that in most of these cases the auto driver wasn't giving the minimum.

Cars do sideswipe bikes regularly. But many of these accidents seem to arise from the bicyclist needing to switch from the right side of a straight lane to a left turn lane to make a left turn


Almost 100% of these accidents arises from inattention on either the rider or the driver. A little more attention on both sides would solve the vast majority of these collisions.
Originally Posted by 10Glocks
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Can you ball park a percentage of the cyclist at fault cases where the bicyclist was an indigent or for some reason couldn't hold a license? The reason that I ask is that those that I most often see riding against traffic and riding without lights look like they fall into that category.


I don't know a percentage, but can say most bike accident claims arfe with casual riders, not the more serious cyclists. The ones riding against traffic are usually the ones that are coming home from a convenience store run and has a bag hanging from the handle bars, or a kid, or something like that.


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The individual duty to stop begs a little discussion. I don't ride in large groups and can picture what you are talking about and agree that the long line moving through without stopping is a bad idea. If my group, say 8 riders, comes to a stop sign. We bunch together and occupy the footprint of a typical motor vehicle. If a car is coming, we stop and yield right of way. When we can safely go, we move through as a unit. I see that as pretty harmless, and if it's a busy 4 way stop intersection, it serves to allow cross traffic to get through much more quickly.

None of the states I adjust claims in view a group of riders as a single entity. They all have their indiviidal duties. Each has a duty to stop. Most drivers do let a group come out, but often times there are stragglers a few yards behind trying to catch up to the group who will ride right through a stop sign without stopping.

The other issues is passing a line of bicyclists and then have the lead guy way up ahead throw out a left turn signal and all the bikes following swerve left like a snake. They all have a duty to ride appropiately and signal their individual intentions.


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The cyclist swerving into an overtaking car. How often in those cases is it clear that the cyclist did the swerving?


This is probably the most common accident I've seen involving serious bicyclists. Riding to the right and needing to a make a left turn, and swerving left without regard to a overtaking car in the "blindspot" position. Happens all the time, particularly in northern Virginia. It's usually an easy one to defend for the driver. Often times there are witnesses, and with the proliferation of dash cams and security cams and Ring doorbells, we end up finding a lot captured on video.


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Do you work in one state or multiple?

I regularly work in Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware and NC. I do have a resident Florida adjuster's license and that is reciprocal with all other states that require licenses, so I have licenses to adjust claims in all states that require a license, including Louisiana. I handle claims in other states as needed.


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If those states have minimum passing distances (3 feet in most states) it would be one hell of a swerve for a cyclist to drift 3 feet over and into a car. I would guess that these cases are often he said/she said? If I were a betting man, I'd bet that in most of these cases the auto driver wasn't giving the minimum.

Cars do sideswipe bikes regularly. But many of these accidents seem to arise from the bicyclist needing to switch from the right side of a straight lane to a left turn lane to make a left turn


Almost 100% of these accidents arises from inattention on either the rider or the driver. A little more attention on both sides would solve the vast majority of these collisions.

Truly appreciate the info.

"Cars do sideswipe bikes regularly. But many of these accidents seem to arise from the bicyclist needing to switch from the right side of a straight lane to a left turn lane to make a left turn"

This would be another instance in which a cyclist's mitigating strategy wouldn't sit well with some motorists. The rider should set himself up mid lane in the right lane, move into the left most lane well ahead of time, signaling as he does, and enter the turn lane at the beginning.
I think trying to set themselves up in the center of the lane may be what some of therm are trying to do when they get hit.

I also notice a fair number of claims involving riders wearing ear buds. That's illegal while driving a car. And if not illegal, at least unwise and imprudent when riding a bike.

I do believe serious cyclists have a better record of fault/no-fault for collisions with cars than causal riders. Maybe 70% not at fault versus 30% at fault. Causal riders are riskier riders and do a lot of dumb things. Wearing dark clothing and riding at night with no lights or reflectors is a big one and produces a fair number of fatal collisions.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
Says the dude riding around in spandex with a penis hat on. Then spend 20 pages arguing how cool you and your bike are. I don't think your "outdoor Sports" is the same as this sites "outdoor sports".

Guess you couldn't find those successful lawsuits either.

And aren't you the poop stain that posted a picture of yourself with a dress on to "mess" with your daughters date? Yeah, you fit right in here.

Pauli would take part more in what this forum is about if he could get a gun manufacturer to produce an an accurate rifle that he could buy. They keep selling him inaccurate ones, but at least it gives him another topic for his whining bitching diatribes where he looks for sympathy but seldom gets it because of his arrogance and his low IQ.

The folks in TN don't have a clue about what's coming with the one window lean-to that he's planning to build in their HOA.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
[quote=Steve]Not excusing the trash, but why are the bicyclists riding abreast taking up a whole lane?

Steve let's play with that question a bit. It's a common one that often people don't think all the way through. A bicyclist riding alone or in a single file would want a cushion of about 2 feet from the right hand edge of the road. There are several reasons for this. A bicyclist would occupy a footprint of about 3 feet from elbow to elbow if you add in a very little lateral movement. We are at about 5 feet of lane use at this point. Now lets add in a safe passing distance of 3 feet since that's what most states specify as minimum. The right hand edge of the car would be 8 feet from the curb at this point. An average car width mirror to mirror would be about 7 feet. That's 15 feet total we are at now. With that total, the car would have to at least partially enter the left lane to pass the cyclists.

Whether the cyclists are side by side or in single file the motorist will need to enter the left lane to pass. Tests have shown that it will take cars longer to pass a line of cyclists than if the cyclists were spread out in a single line. In this case being side by side meant saving the driver time spent in the passing lane.

Now, let me ask you this question. Given the complete lack of other motor vehicle traffic and the fact that they would have to move at least partially into left lane anyway, why does it matter that the cyclists were side by side?[/quote

No!! They need to get off the road when a car is coming. Just common sense!!! Oh!! That’s right they don’t have any..😁😁😁🥴😁
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Total and complete butt holes for doing this..
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
[quote=Muffin]

Took time to watch that. The cyclist was completely wrong. If he had dismounted the bike and walked across then he would have been afforded the legal status of a pedestrian. That was not an extension of the bike lane. It was a crosswalk.

But, wait for it...

The truck driver never came to a complete stop.[/Quonset



FY
Originally Posted by Whelenman
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Rode dirt and street.
Single file to be polite most times.
Didnt matter.


Wide open other lane and no traffic, cars still throw stuff or see how close they can be to the bikes when passing.

One trick they like to do is pass close, try to make the cyclist veer to hit a parked car ahead.

Worked with a lady that was nice, older......and she said when she sees a bike or motorcycle, she just gets the urge to run then over. Serious

People are fugged up.

Was doing about 25 in a 30 mph zone and my bud ahead who is a littel faster starts yelling. Im on a MTB so head down crankin.

Guess some biatch was inches off my back tire.

Road wide open, passable.....in town. We were single file and to the outside edge too.

Had Oregon plates.
When little old ladies want to run you over, you might just be doing something wrong.
Got a fair number of poor folks on bikes on town.
They ignore traffic laws. Wear dark clothes, no lights and ride at night too.

Typically, a guy on a good bike follows the rules
Originally Posted by Tarbe
When little old ladies want to run you over, you might just be doing something wrong.

She had same urge when coming up behind motorcyclists.

Wacko.
Until youve ridden on the road a bit you might not understand how it is out there.

We have bike shops and clubs so the hobby is well.known here. Got bike lanes on quite a few streets now.

JD Byrider puts a lot of fuggin retards behind the wheel.
Add in illegals and drunks and folsk that are just GD stupid......I wouldnt ride a bike or motorcycle these days on the road.

Cell phone mofos are everywhere. Hell they crash into everything.
I went through an afluent burg yesterday to get my MRI
Some cyclists there. Roundabouts and heavy traffic.....i thought them stupid for taking those roads

They were all older hippie bastards.
At least a wheel chair doesnt require a foot on the ground when not in gear.




Is this any more stupid than riding a bike on the highway? Why the prejudice against the crippled?

We seem to have a lot more traffic today than when I started riding again. Town is spreading out and more subdivisions have gone in to North of us.

I primarily ride for fitness reasons. I enjoy riding outdoors and will continue to do it, but after trying out a trainer with one of the available riding apps I can see myself riding indoors a lot more. In the last 3 weeks the weather has been crappy enough that I've already ridden almost 400 miles on the trainer.

For some reason it's easier to push myself on the trainer while online and in the app. I think it's mostly because I can see the other riders on the course and if I'm gaining on them or they are gaining on me. Being a competitive sort of person I like that aspect. Being a major league introvert I also like not having to talk to them.

Damn skinny dudes wreck me going up the hills on there.
Wife showed me a video of some dude in a wheelchair towing a small boat through town. That was a WTF moment.
Haha. Good one.

I wonder if it would be legal for an electric bike to do that.
Originally Posted by hookeye
I went through an afluent burg yesterday to get my MRI
Some cyclists there. Roundabouts and heavy traffic.....i thought them stupid for taking those roads

They were all older hippie bastards.

There are a lot of bastards who ride bikes on the highway. wink whistle
I was surprised it was able to tow it, I didn't realize electric wheelchairs had that much torque. I'm guessing it was a 12-14 foot long with a 10-20 horse outboard.
Originally Posted by hookeye
I went through an afluent burg yesterday to get my MRI
Some cyclists there. Roundabouts and heavy traffic.....i thought them stupid for taking those roads

They were all older hippie bastards.
Wife and I were coming home from dinner recently, driving up our street we came a upon an older couple (70ish...) and their snowcow granddaughter riding bikes on the road. Grandma was as far right as possible (about where I normally ride), grandpa was on her left by a couple of feet trailing grandma slightly. Snowcow on the other hand was to the left of the centerline of the road riding parallel to grandma. Grandpa must have heard me coming, he slows down and pulls inline behind grandma. Snowcow stands her ground, maintains her position preventing me from driving around the group. After following them for a few hundred feet I pull up closer behind the 'cow, giver her a minute to react. She's still flipping her lips like a whiperwill's a$$ in a wind storm, doesn't appear that she intends to move. So I say fúckit, lay on the horn. Her reaction was priceless. She jumps off her seat like she's been ejected off the bike, then turns her head around with that wtf look on her face. 😁😅😅🤣🤣🤣
Used to ride to nearby towns. Stayed the hell off the 2 and 4 lane highways.

Can plot a route on decent pavement tbat reduces the chance of a splat.

Scanner daily has cars blasting cars, broad daylight, on the major roads around here. Seems to be mostly old people and young people.

An guessing the young ones on tbe damn phone.
I was in town at the tire shop waiting for tires to be mounted. I sat outside on a bench watching traffic go by. Probably a 1/3 of them had the nose in their phone. You see it at stoplights too, as soon as they stop they're staring at the phone.
As motorists we'd all be better off if their aim was true and they'd thrown bricks rather than trash.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
As motorists we'd all be better off if their aim was true and they'd thrown bricks rather than trash.

Bicyclists be fugking life up in Pigdick New York. lolol
Blackie won’t stand for pig dick ridicule .
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