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Posted By: Houston_2 Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Sberbank unable to make due bond payments in Euros and USD denominations agreed upon when selling the bonds.

Trying to pay in Rubles.

Sberbank is one of Russia’s largest banks with over 100 million customers.
Posted By: Jcubed Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
That's not good.
Posted By: las Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
You espected something else, Lucy?
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Why would they care?
Posted By: akrange Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
You do know a number of Countries have setup 2nd Party Rube Accounts..
This has just started many cards to Play..
Make some Beer Money ..
Hahahahaha..
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Originally Posted by akrange
You do know a number of Countries have setup 2nd Party Rube Accounts..
This has just started many cards to Play..
Make some Beer Money ..
Hahahahaha..

Really?
I know that Russia has setup these types of accounts to take contract specified Euros and USD$ Payments and once the payments are received in those currencies then the Russians do the change over to Rubles for those accounts.

Are we talking the same thing here?

You’re right, this has a ways to go.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?

Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by akrange
You do know a number of Countries have setup 2nd Party Rube Accounts..
This has just started many cards to Play..
Make some Beer Money ..
Hahahahaha..

Really?
I know that Russia has setup these types of accounts to take contract specified Euros and USD$ Payments and once the payments are received in those currencies then the Russians do the change over to Rubles for those accounts.

Are we talking the same thing here?

You’re right, this has a ways to go.

He does not understand the difference with Russia taking payments for energy and Russia making payments to service Dollar/Euro denominated bond interest payments.

I also agree there is a lot of plays left in this game.
Posted By: jackmountain Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Diesel is $5.65/gal here. Pretty much every single thing I can think of besides weed is rising in cost on a weekly/monthly basis (legalized growing weed here so apparent the street price has dropped in half).
Our freedoms are being eroded at an accelerated rate, we’re likely in a recession already, our elections are a joke, our media the propaganda wing of our government and our Govt is a bigger threat than anything foreign.

Yep, let’s spend our energy worrying about what Russia is doing in Ukraine you Fugkin idiots.
Posted By: JoeBob Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Nobody gives a schit you dumbshit. As noted above, we have far worse things to worry about. Take your war porn and shove it up your ass.
Posted By: Daveinjax Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
The Russians are and will be just fine without the west but the western bond holders are screwed.
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Diesel is $5.65/gal here. Pretty much every single thing I can think of besides weed is rising in cost on a weekly/monthly basis (legalized growing weed here so apparent the street price has dropped in half).
Our freedoms are being eroded at an accelerated rate, we’re likely in a recession already, our elections are a joke, our media the propaganda wing of our government and our Govt is a bigger threat than anything foreign.

Yep, let’s spend our energy worrying about what Russia is doing in Ukraine you Fugkin idiots.
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Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/24/22
Originally Posted by Jcubed
That's not good.

No it’s not good especially for purposes of contagion when they’re multiple and consistent.
Posted By: bellydeep Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
The Russians are and will be just fine without the west but the western bond holders are screwed.

Ha!
Posted By: akrange Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by akrange
You do know a number of Countries have setup 2nd Party Rube Accounts..
This has just started many cards to Play..
Make some Beer Money ..
Hahahahaha..

Really?
I know that Russia has setup these types of accounts to take contract specified Euros and USD$ Payments and once the payments are received in those currencies then the Russians do the change over to Rubles for those accounts.

Are we talking the same thing here?

You’re right, this has a ways to go.

He does not understand the difference with Russia taking payments for energy and Russia making payments to service Dollar/Euro denominated bond interest payments.

I also agree there is a lot of plays left in this game.

Dude … Hahahahaha Hahahahaha
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?
Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
The Russians basically aren't allowed to participate in the Western economy due to sanctions. Again, I ask, why would they care about defaulting on some loans?

As someone else pointed out, the only losers are Western bond holders. If it weren't for the sanctions, the Russians would have made the payments. FJB?
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?
Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
The Russians basically aren't allowed to participate in the Western economy due to sanctions. Again, I ask, why would they care about defaulting on some loans?

As someone else pointed out, the only losers are Western bond holders. If it weren't for the sanctions, the Russians would have made the payments. FJB?


I see what you’re saying but They have the gold and can honor their debts.

Doing that would take money away from their war efforts with Ukraine.

Bond payments to western holders can be paid out of seized Russian assets if need be.
Posted By: dassa Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
The only reason they would pay would be to keep up their credit rating. But since the west put sanctions on them, no one can loan them money anyway.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by dassa
The only reason they would pay would be to keep up their credit rating. But since the west put sanctions on them, no one can loan them money anyway.

Nope.

Many entities/countries can “loan them money” and easily take payments in kind.

Down the road their costs of borrowing could be very high.
Posted By: Swifty52 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?
Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
The Russians basically aren't allowed to participate in the Western economy due to sanctions. Again, I ask, why would they care about defaulting on some loans?

As someone else pointed out, the only losers are Western bond holders. If it weren't for the sanctions, the Russians would have made the payments. FJB?


I see what you’re saying but They have the gold and can honor their debts.

Doing that would take money away from their war efforts with Ukraine.

Bond payments to western holders can be paid out of seized Russian assets if need be.

That’s really fugging funny. The proceeds if they can sell them in the next 5 years goes to Ukraine and Biden. Bond holders ain’t going to see a dime. Plus the fact that Biden shut off the only way to sell off such worthless bonds.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4283

S.4283 - A bill to authorize the confiscation of assets of the Russian Federation and the use of such assets to offset costs to the United States of assistance to Ukraine.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Swifty52
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?
Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
The Russians basically aren't allowed to participate in the Western economy due to sanctions. Again, I ask, why would they care about defaulting on some loans?

As someone else pointed out, the only losers are Western bond holders. If it weren't for the sanctions, the Russians would have made the payments. FJB?


I see what you’re saying but They have the gold and can honor their debts.

Doing that would take money away from their war efforts with Ukraine.

Bond payments to western holders can be paid out of seized Russian assets if need be.

That’s really fugging funny. The proceeds if they can sell them in the next 5 years goes to Ukraine and Biden. Bond holders ain’t going to see a dime. Plus the fact that Biden shut off the only way to sell off such worthless bonds.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4283

S.4283 - A bill to authorize the confiscation of assets of the Russian Federation and the use of such assets to offset costs to the United States of assistance to Ukraine.


“Offset costs TO the USA “ not to Ukraine.

That is fuggin funny, I agree.
Posted By: Swifty52 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Swifty52
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Why would they care?
Default on some of your debts and see what it does to your credit and what it will cost you to borrow again later on.

That’s why they would care.
The Russians basically aren't allowed to participate in the Western economy due to sanctions. Again, I ask, why would they care about defaulting on some loans?

As someone else pointed out, the only losers are Western bond holders. If it weren't for the sanctions, the Russians would have made the payments. FJB?


I see what you’re saying but They have the gold and can honor their debts.

Doing that would take money away from their war efforts with Ukraine.

Bond payments to western holders can be paid out of seized Russian assets if need be.

That’s really fugging funny. The proceeds if they can sell them in the next 5 years goes to Ukraine and Biden. Bond holders ain’t going to see a dime. Plus the fact that Biden shut off the only way to sell off such worthless bonds.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4283

S.4283 - A bill to authorize the confiscation of assets of the Russian Federation and the use of such assets to offset costs to the United States of assistance to Ukraine.


Offset costs TO the USA “ not to Ukraine.

That is fuggin funny, I agree.


LMAO again, here’s the other one.

The Asset Seizure for Ukraine Reconstruction Act would enable the federal government to confiscate and sell assets worth more than $2 million from sanctioned Russians or foreigners linked to the Russian government.

The legislation stipulates that funds derived from the sale of oligarch assets would be used "only for the benefit of the people of Ukraine," including refugee support, post-conflict reconstruction, humanitarian assistance and military assistance.

In an effort to curb Russian censorship, funds would also go toward technology and services circumventing Russian efforts to shut down internet or communication services and bolstering Ukraine's cybersecurity capabilities.

Under the proposal, people who provide information leading to the seizure of assets would be eligible for cash rewards administered by the Treasury Department, though the bill doesn't specify how much those rewards could be.

By enabling the government to seize and not simply freeze assets, the proposal gives the Department of Justice "increased latitude to act swiftly in preventing the liquidation of assets by Russian oligarchs," Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)—who co-sponsored the legislation alongside Sen.
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—said in a Tuesday statement.

Though its fate in Congress remains uncertain, the proposal builds on a bipartisan House bill introduced earlier this month

And how’s about this tidbit

Janet Yellen says 'it would not be legal now' for the US to seize Russian government assets to pay for Ukraine reconstruction.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Uh Oh Default - 05/25/22
Swiftly, fwiw, a Representative from the HR was on tv and specifically said that the act if passed and put into effect would allow the USA to recoup assistance monies given to Ukraine and for payment of arms delivered from the USA

But, this was the msm, he is a politician and his lips were moving.

Now we can both laugh.
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