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Of course I was correct in my predictions - whenever you see one-sided cheer leading and the Democrats go all-in on something, you should know to be skeptical. In this case, the entire story line is BS from the Russia as aggressor to the Javelins destroying Russian army and on and on.
War is a always a back & forth thing, and it takes longer than the Scott Ritter disinformation he put out there that Russia only planned on taking 2 weeks or some such BS. Those "captured war plan documents"? Total BS, just like when the US fired a corpse out of a sub with fake documents.

The fact that so many bought this line of [bleep] is disheartening and doesn't bode well for our country. Anybody who bought this BS should refrain from voting because you're obviously too stupid and succumb to even the most ham-fisted manipulation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/...s-collapsing-morale-ukraine-forces-front

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In Stunning Shift, WaPo Admits Catastrophic-Conditions, Collapsing-Morale Of Ukraine Front-Line Forces

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAY 27, 2022 - 06:57 AM
With Russia's war in Ukraine now in its fourth month, mainstream media consumers have been treated to seemingly endless headlines and analysis of Russia's extensive military losses. At the same time Ukrainian forces have tended to be lionized and their battlefield prowess romanticized, with essentially zero public information so far being given which details up-to-date Ukrainian force casualties, set-backs, and equipment losses.

But for the first time The Washington Post is out with a surprisingly dire and negative assessment of how US-backed and equipped Ukrainian forces are actually fairing. Gone is the rosy idealizing lens through which each and every encounter with the Russians is typically portrayed. WaPo correspondent and author of the new report Sudarsan Raghavan underscores of the true situation that "Ukrainian leaders project an image of military invulnerability against Russia. But commanders offer a more realistic portrait of the war, where outgunned volunteers describe being abandoned by their military brass and facing certain death at the front."



As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time, a steady stream of both wartime propaganda and one-sided social media feeds where it seems the only tanks being blown up are Russian ones has served to present a very skewed portrayal of the battlefield to the Western public. While it's perhaps easier to get sucked into this pro-Ukraine bias based on the innumerable so-called open source intelligence self-anointed 'experts' on Twitter, this is less so if one wades into Telegram, where a flood of uncensored videos from both sides gives a truer picture, as the fresh report seems to also suggest.

The Washington Post report belatedly admits the avalanche of propaganda based in a pro-Kiev, pro-West narrative from the outset: "Videos of assaults on Russian tanks or positions are posted daily on social media. Artists are creating patriotic posters, billboards and T-shirts. The postal service even released stamps commemorating the sinking of a Russian warship in the Black Sea."

The report then pivots to the reality of an undertrained, poorly commanded and equipped, rag-tag force of mostly volunteers in the East who find themselves increasingly surrounded by the numerically superior Russian military which has penetrated almost the entire Donbas region. "Ukraine, like Russia, has provided scant information about deaths, injuries or losses of military equipment. But after three months of war, this company of 120 men is down to 54 because of deaths, injuries and desertions," the report reads as it follows one particular battalion.

The report's sources speak out despite threat of being court-martialed amid a heavily controlled information flow:

“War breaks people down,” said Serhiy Haidai, head of the regional war administration in Luhansk province, acknowledging many volunteers were not properly trained because Ukrainian authorities did not expect Russia to invade. But he maintained that all soldiers are taken care of: “They have enough medical supplies and food. The only thing is there are people that aren’t ready to fight.”


The report references a video widely circulating online this week wherein a group the size of a platoon declares they simply can't fight for lack of weaponry, ammunition, food and proper command support:

“We are being sent to certain death,” said a volunteer, reading from a prepared script, adding that a similar video was filmed by members of the 115th Brigade 1st Battalion. “We are not alone like this, we are many.”

Ukraine’s military rebutted the volunteers’ claims in their own video posted online, saying the “deserters” had everything they needed to fight: “They thought they came for a vacation,” one service member said. “That’s why they left their positions.”

In the wake of the video, the Ukrainian troops featured are being accused of 'desertion':



Additional videos have surfaced that are similar: units complain even of being left to fight in already impossible conditions with WWI and WWII-era rifles, which can do little up against Russia's far superior firepower.

The stunning WaPo report further documents volunteer groups of men who were previously oil well technicians, salesmen, or other ordinary jobs like farmers being sent to front line positions in the south and east - even though they thought they were first bound to simple security posts in much less intense environs like Lviv.

“We shot 30 bullets and then they said, ‘You can’t get more; too expensive,’” one volunteer described. And more: “When we were coming here, we were told that we were going to be in the third line on defense,” Lapko said. “Instead, we came to the zero line, the front line. We didn’t know where we were going.”

The situation has gotten more dire as even water is in short supply amid the most intense Russian push to surround Ukrainian positions in the Donbas to date:

And in recent weeks, he said, the situation has gotten much worse. When their supply chains were cut off for two days by the bombardment, the men were forced to make do with a potato a day.

They spend most days and nights in trenches dug into the forest on the edges of Toshkivka or inside the basements of abandoned houses. “They have no water, nothing there,” Lapko said. “Only water that I bring them every other day.”

Meanwhile the very noticeable shifting rhetoric issued from prominent officials and pundits of late has strongly suggested not all is well for Ukraine's military...


The WaPo further includes the following devastating testimony and assessment:

“Many got shell shock. I don’t know how to count them,” Lapko said.

The casualties here are largely kept secret to protect morale among troops and the general public.

“On Ukrainian TV we see that there are no losses,” Lapko said. “There’s no truth.”

Many of the casualties suffered by the above referenced volunteer unit were due to lack of logistics available to transport the wounded to hospitals behind the front lines. The report emphasizes that the entirety of the catastrophic conditions of frontline forces has led to officers and enlisted increasingly refusing to follow orders from higher command.

With this fresh and unexpected Washington Post report, the mainstream seems to now belatedly be admitting what only weeks ago could get a person banned from Twitter...


"Lapko and his men have grown increasingly frustrated and disillusioned with their superiors. His request for the awards has not been approved," the report finds. "His battalion commander demanded that he send 20 of his soldiers to another front line, which meant that he couldn’t rotate his men out from Toshkivka. He refused the order."
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Of course I was correct in my predictions - whenever you see one-sided cheer leading and the Democrats go all-in on something, you should know to be skeptical. In this case, the entire story line is BS from the Russia as aggressor to the Javelins destroying Russian army and on and on.
War is a always a back & forth thing, and it takes longer than the Scott Ritter disinformation he put out there that Russia only planned on taking 2 weeks or some such BS. Those "captured war plan documents"? Total BS, just like when the US fired a corpse out of a sub with fake documents.

The fact that so many bought this line of [bleep] is disheartening and doesn't bode well for our country. Anybody who bought this BS should refrain from voting because you're obviously too stupid and succumb to even the most ham-fisted manipulation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/...s-collapsing-morale-ukraine-forces-front

Quote
In Stunning Shift, WaPo Admits Catastrophic-Conditions, Collapsing-Morale Of Ukraine Front-Line Forces

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAY 27, 2022 - 06:57 AM
With Russia's war in Ukraine now in its fourth month, mainstream media consumers have been treated to seemingly endless headlines and analysis of Russia's extensive military losses. At the same time Ukrainian forces have tended to be lionized and their battlefield prowess romanticized, with essentially zero public information so far being given which details up-to-date Ukrainian force casualties, set-backs, and equipment losses.

But for the first time The Washington Post is out with a surprisingly dire and negative assessment of how US-backed and equipped Ukrainian forces are actually fairing. Gone is the rosy idealizing lens through which each and every encounter with the Russians is typically portrayed. WaPo correspondent and author of the new report Sudarsan Raghavan underscores of the true situation that "Ukrainian leaders project an image of military invulnerability against Russia. But commanders offer a more realistic portrait of the war, where outgunned volunteers describe being abandoned by their military brass and facing certain death at the front."



As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time, a steady stream of both wartime propaganda and one-sided social media feeds where it seems the only tanks being blown up are Russian ones has served to present a very skewed portrayal of the battlefield to the Western public. While it's perhaps easier to get sucked into this pro-Ukraine bias based on the innumerable so-called open source intelligence self-anointed 'experts' on Twitter, this is less so if one wades into Telegram, where a flood of uncensored videos from both sides gives a truer picture, as the fresh report seems to also suggest.

The Washington Post report belatedly admits the avalanche of propaganda based in a pro-Kiev, pro-West narrative from the outset: "Videos of assaults on Russian tanks or positions are posted daily on social media. Artists are creating patriotic posters, billboards and T-shirts. The postal service even released stamps commemorating the sinking of a Russian warship in the Black Sea."

The report then pivots to the reality of an undertrained, poorly commanded and equipped, rag-tag force of mostly volunteers in the East who find themselves increasingly surrounded by the numerically superior Russian military which has penetrated almost the entire Donbas region. "Ukraine, like Russia, has provided scant information about deaths, injuries or losses of military equipment. But after three months of war, this company of 120 men is down to 54 because of deaths, injuries and desertions," the report reads as it follows one particular battalion.

The report's sources speak out despite threat of being court-martialed amid a heavily controlled information flow:

“War breaks people down,” said Serhiy Haidai, head of the regional war administration in Luhansk province, acknowledging many volunteers were not properly trained because Ukrainian authorities did not expect Russia to invade. But he maintained that all soldiers are taken care of: “They have enough medical supplies and food. The only thing is there are people that aren’t ready to fight.”


The report references a video widely circulating online this week wherein a group the size of a platoon declares they simply can't fight for lack of weaponry, ammunition, food and proper command support:

“We are being sent to certain death,” said a volunteer, reading from a prepared script, adding that a similar video was filmed by members of the 115th Brigade 1st Battalion. “We are not alone like this, we are many.”

Ukraine’s military rebutted the volunteers’ claims in their own video posted online, saying the “deserters” had everything they needed to fight: “They thought they came for a vacation,” one service member said. “That’s why they left their positions.”

In the wake of the video, the Ukrainian troops featured are being accused of 'desertion':



Additional videos have surfaced that are similar: units complain even of being left to fight in already impossible conditions with WWI and WWII-era rifles, which can do little up against Russia's far superior firepower.

The stunning WaPo report further documents volunteer groups of men who were previously oil well technicians, salesmen, or other ordinary jobs like farmers being sent to front line positions in the south and east - even though they thought they were first bound to simple security posts in much less intense environs like Lviv.

“We shot 30 bullets and then they said, ‘You can’t get more; too expensive,’” one volunteer described. And more: “When we were coming here, we were told that we were going to be in the third line on defense,” Lapko said. “Instead, we came to the zero line, the front line. We didn’t know where we were going.”

The situation has gotten more dire as even water is in short supply amid the most intense Russian push to surround Ukrainian positions in the Donbas to date:

And in recent weeks, he said, the situation has gotten much worse. When their supply chains were cut off for two days by the bombardment, the men were forced to make do with a potato a day.

They spend most days and nights in trenches dug into the forest on the edges of Toshkivka or inside the basements of abandoned houses. “They have no water, nothing there,” Lapko said. “Only water that I bring them every other day.”

Meanwhile the very noticeable shifting rhetoric issued from prominent officials and pundits of late has strongly suggested not all is well for Ukraine's military...


The WaPo further includes the following devastating testimony and assessment:

“Many got shell shock. I don’t know how to count them,” Lapko said.

The casualties here are largely kept secret to protect morale among troops and the general public.

“On Ukrainian TV we see that there are no losses,” Lapko said. “There’s no truth.”

Many of the casualties suffered by the above referenced volunteer unit were due to lack of logistics available to transport the wounded to hospitals behind the front lines. The report emphasizes that the entirety of the catastrophic conditions of frontline forces has led to officers and enlisted increasingly refusing to follow orders from higher command.

With this fresh and unexpected Washington Post report, the mainstream seems to now belatedly be admitting what only weeks ago could get a person banned from Twitter...


"Lapko and his men have grown increasingly frustrated and disillusioned with their superiors. His request for the awards has not been approved," the report finds. "His battalion commander demanded that he send 20 of his soldiers to another front line, which meant that he couldn’t rotate his men out from Toshkivka. He refused the order."
Sadly there are many in this country that are too easily manipulated. Too many on this very forum
Two things are for certain:

1. The longer this goes the more men and material both sides lose.
2. The longer this goes, the more money goes into Ukrainian pockets.

We keep hearing about how much this war is costing Russia, well so far it has cost US taxpayers well in excess of $53 billion. We're the losers here... again.
The ones who suffer the most in this are the Ukrainians.

It's unfortunate that they didn't find & kill the CIA operatives who were busy destroying their country years ago. And their politicians that were cooperating should have been strung up for treason.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
The ones who suffer the most in this are the Ukrainians.

It's unfortunate that they didn't find & kill the CIA operatives who were busy destroying their country years ago. And their politicians that were cooperating should have been strung up for treason.

They are paying the price for the misdeeds of their leaders. One day we will have to answer for the miss deeds of ours.
Originally Posted by Pat85
Originally Posted by Tyrone
The ones who suffer the most in this are the Ukrainians.

It's unfortunate that they didn't find & kill the CIA operatives who were busy destroying their country years ago. And their politicians that were cooperating should have been strung up for treason.

They are paying the price for the misdeeds of their leaders. One day we will have to answer for the miss deeds of ours.

Dude..
Even the Pope says NATO is to Blame ..
That means the United States and the NWO Psychopaths the Own US..
Roll Them or They Roll You.. Tick Tock ..
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
We keep hearing about how much this war is costing Russia, well so far it has cost US taxpayers well in excess of $53 billion. We're the losers here... again.


Agreed. This is a European issue and Europe needs to settle it and fund it. Not one dime of our $$$ should go there. The only thing Ukraine produces that is important is grain and we are paying farmers to keep millions of acres of farm land out of production. Plow that and plant it and Ukraine becomes inconsequential to us and we can export grain to the nations that have been dependent on Ukraine. So rather than spending $$$ we should be making $$$ off this.
No sh it!
It's simple economics 101. If the liberals and Democrats are against something, I'm for it.
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
It's simple economics 101. If the liberals and Democrats are against something, I'm for it.

That's the quintessence of illogic and has nothing to do with economics. If the liberals and Dems are against murder, are you for it? crazy
I typed in a search "Ukraine losing" and about all I got was stories and opinions that say Russia is losing. What's up with that? Is Ukraine next going to push into Russian territory?
Originally Posted by Tarquin
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.
Not at all.

In fact, Europe would have cheaper energy and therefore a much better economy because Ukraine wouldn't be charging extortionate pipeline transit fees.
Why would there be catastrophic consequences if Russia wins? Ukraine has been used as a puppet and a cash cow for corrupt politicians both here and abroad. I don't have any love for Russia but I can understand why they attacked. Ukraine would've never been attacked if they had abided by the treaty they signed. They didn't. You have many people being persecuted just for their ethnicity. How does that set with the high and mighty democrats and McConnell? They don't care. They want to keep the status quo. They have spent America into bankruptcy and keep going as if there's no end to the money. Washington politicians don't give a whit about black lives or any lives for that matter. They only care about power. Absolute Power and they apparently have it because there hasn't even been any pushback for the stolen election of 2020 that put us into this shetstorm.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Of course I was correct in my predictions - whenever you see one-sided cheer leading and the Democrats go all-in on something, you should know to be skeptical. In this case, the entire story line is BS from the Russia as aggressor to the Javelins destroying Russian army and on and on.
War is a always a back & forth thing, and it takes longer than the Scott Ritter disinformation he put out there that Russia only planned on taking 2 weeks or some such BS. Those "captured war plan documents"? Total BS, just like when the US fired a corpse out of a sub with fake documents.

The fact that so many bought this line of [bleep] is disheartening and doesn't bode well for our country. Anybody who bought this BS should refrain from voting because you're obviously too stupid and succumb to even the most ham-fisted manipulation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/...s-collapsing-morale-ukraine-forces-front

Quote
In Stunning Shift, WaPo Admits Catastrophic-Conditions, Collapsing-Morale Of Ukraine Front-Line Forces

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAY 27, 2022 - 06:57 AM
With Russia's war in Ukraine now in its fourth month, mainstream media consumers have been treated to seemingly endless headlines and analysis of Russia's extensive military losses. At the same time Ukrainian forces have tended to be lionized and their battlefield prowess romanticized, with essentially zero public information so far being given which details up-to-date Ukrainian force casualties, set-backs, and equipment losses.

But for the first time The Washington Post is out with a surprisingly dire and negative assessment of how US-backed and equipped Ukrainian forces are actually fairing. Gone is the rosy idealizing lens through which each and every encounter with the Russians is typically portrayed. WaPo correspondent and author of the new report Sudarsan Raghavan underscores of the true situation that "Ukrainian leaders project an image of military invulnerability against Russia. But commanders offer a more realistic portrait of the war, where outgunned volunteers describe being abandoned by their military brass and facing certain death at the front."



As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time, a steady stream of both wartime propaganda and one-sided social media feeds where it seems the only tanks being blown up are Russian ones has served to present a very skewed portrayal of the battlefield to the Western public. While it's perhaps easier to get sucked into this pro-Ukraine bias based on the innumerable so-called open source intelligence self-anointed 'experts' on Twitter, this is less so if one wades into Telegram, where a flood of uncensored videos from both sides gives a truer picture, as the fresh report seems to also suggest.

The Washington Post report belatedly admits the avalanche of propaganda based in a pro-Kiev, pro-West narrative from the outset: "Videos of assaults on Russian tanks or positions are posted daily on social media. Artists are creating patriotic posters, billboards and T-shirts. The postal service even released stamps commemorating the sinking of a Russian warship in the Black Sea."

The report then pivots to the reality of an undertrained, poorly commanded and equipped, rag-tag force of mostly volunteers in the East who find themselves increasingly surrounded by the numerically superior Russian military which has penetrated almost the entire Donbas region. "Ukraine, like Russia, has provided scant information about deaths, injuries or losses of military equipment. But after three months of war, this company of 120 men is down to 54 because of deaths, injuries and desertions," the report reads as it follows one particular battalion.

The report's sources speak out despite threat of being court-martialed amid a heavily controlled information flow:

“War breaks people down,” said Serhiy Haidai, head of the regional war administration in Luhansk province, acknowledging many volunteers were not properly trained because Ukrainian authorities did not expect Russia to invade. But he maintained that all soldiers are taken care of: “They have enough medical supplies and food. The only thing is there are people that aren’t ready to fight.”


The report references a video widely circulating online this week wherein a group the size of a platoon declares they simply can't fight for lack of weaponry, ammunition, food and proper command support:

“We are being sent to certain death,” said a volunteer, reading from a prepared script, adding that a similar video was filmed by members of the 115th Brigade 1st Battalion. “We are not alone like this, we are many.”

Ukraine’s military rebutted the volunteers’ claims in their own video posted online, saying the “deserters” had everything they needed to fight: “They thought they came for a vacation,” one service member said. “That’s why they left their positions.”

In the wake of the video, the Ukrainian troops featured are being accused of 'desertion':



Additional videos have surfaced that are similar: units complain even of being left to fight in already impossible conditions with WWI and WWII-era rifles, which can do little up against Russia's far superior firepower.

The stunning WaPo report further documents volunteer groups of men who were previously oil well technicians, salesmen, or other ordinary jobs like farmers being sent to front line positions in the south and east - even though they thought they were first bound to simple security posts in much less intense environs like Lviv.

“We shot 30 bullets and then they said, ‘You can’t get more; too expensive,’” one volunteer described. And more: “When we were coming here, we were told that we were going to be in the third line on defense,” Lapko said. “Instead, we came to the zero line, the front line. We didn’t know where we were going.”

The situation has gotten more dire as even water is in short supply amid the most intense Russian push to surround Ukrainian positions in the Donbas to date:

And in recent weeks, he said, the situation has gotten much worse. When their supply chains were cut off for two days by the bombardment, the men were forced to make do with a potato a day.

They spend most days and nights in trenches dug into the forest on the edges of Toshkivka or inside the basements of abandoned houses. “They have no water, nothing there,” Lapko said. “Only water that I bring them every other day.”

Meanwhile the very noticeable shifting rhetoric issued from prominent officials and pundits of late has strongly suggested not all is well for Ukraine's military...


The WaPo further includes the following devastating testimony and assessment:

“Many got shell shock. I don’t know how to count them,” Lapko said.

The casualties here are largely kept secret to protect morale among troops and the general public.

“On Ukrainian TV we see that there are no losses,” Lapko said. “There’s no truth.”

Many of the casualties suffered by the above referenced volunteer unit were due to lack of logistics available to transport the wounded to hospitals behind the front lines. The report emphasizes that the entirety of the catastrophic conditions of frontline forces has led to officers and enlisted increasingly refusing to follow orders from higher command.

With this fresh and unexpected Washington Post report, the mainstream seems to now belatedly be admitting what only weeks ago could get a person banned from Twitter...


"Lapko and his men have grown increasingly frustrated and disillusioned with their superiors. His request for the awards has not been approved," the report finds. "His battalion commander demanded that he send 20 of his soldiers to another front line, which meant that he couldn’t rotate his men out from Toshkivka. He refused the order."
Sadly there are many in this country that are too easily manipulated. Too many on this very forum

Some never outgrow gullibility. The whole operation from the U.S. side was about protecting a cash cow and hiding damning information.
JeffZero is going to have s fugging stroke!
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.
Meanwhile, you back Hitler's heirs.
First, it’s the WaPo, second Why Now.

My guess is that the 40 billion wasn’t enough to line all the pockets involved, so they need to change the narrative in order to launder more money.
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.

Not a fan of Putin but he is no Hitler. And if you're a fan of bankrolling what is a European issue then let Canada stroke them a check. Why should the USA be the ones to toss $$$ into a nation that produces nothing we need? Tell your boychild Trudeau to send your $$$ to them.
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.
. ironic that Putin is less of an evil man than your Trudeau
Originally Posted by Tyrone
The ones who suffer the most in this are the Ukrainians.

It's unfortunate that they didn't find & kill the CIA operatives who were busy destroying their country years ago. And their politicians that were cooperating should have been strung up for treason.


yep. thousands of lives destroyed for nothing. More cannon fodder for the deep state

Yet the idiot Ukraine Care Bears cheer the most evil man clown actor Zelenskiy. And evil globalists in Europe and the
US just grifted the us tax payers of more billions and billions of dollars. Dumb Americans will never learn


Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.
. ironic that Putin is less of an evil man your Trudeau
touché
Originally Posted by Tarquin
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.



list specific these bad consequences. lol of course you can't, just parroting your beloved msnbc


stick to worshipping George Floyd, blm and war mongering Neo cons
Originally Posted by Tarquin
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.

Why?
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
It's simple economics 101. If the liberals and Democrats are against something, I'm for it.

That's the quintessence of illogic and has nothing to do with economics. If the liberals and Dems are against murder, are you for it? crazy



Abstract or specific?


Death penalty and abortion come to mind.

Calling for the death of Bush(no matter what) Trump, or other
Republicans.

VS

Protecting AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, Schift(in his pants).....


Yep, even in the case of murder, Grit's doctrine stands pretty well.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.
What makes Russia worse than Ukraine? Do you believe our tightly controlled access to news has told us the truth?

Just maybe Russia is in the right here. We know Ukraine is extremely corrupt and funneling U.S. aid money to the Democrats in this country and probably some Republicans.

It is pretty certain there were elements in NATO egging on Ukraine to provoke and threaten Russia.
We even know that Ukraine sent armies after their own people and shelled them for the last 8 years.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
We even know that Ukraine sent armies after their own people and shelled them for the last 8 years.


14,000 killed in the Donbas the past 8 years. And tar queen was too busy virtue signaling for George Floyd, Covid, and BLm.

And thought it would make him popular, even though he couldn't find Ukraine on a world map, to virtue signal for the corrupt dwarf clown Zelenskiy and his AZOV NAZIS who were mudering civilians for 8 years . And yet he still cant explain his ignorance
Zero Hedge is a pro-russian site. That article is more pandering than it is reporting. "As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time...." It offers compliments and confirmation bias with republication, but not a lot more.

They may be right, they may be wrong, but any site that solicits to the suspicious through compliments should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

Especially one wrtten under a pseudonym like "Tyler Durden."
It's all Russian propaganda!!!!

Ugh.
Originally Posted by plumbum
Zero Hedge is a pro-russian site. That article is more pandering than it is reporting. "As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time...." It offers compliments and confirmation bias with republication, but not a lot more.

They may be right, they may be wrong, but any site that solicits to the suspicious through compliments should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

Especially one wrtten under a pseudonym like "Tyler Durden."
Actually, they were quoting the Washington Post.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Tyrone
The ones who suffer the most in this are the Ukrainians.

It's unfortunate that they didn't find & kill the CIA operatives who were busy destroying their country years ago. And their politicians that were cooperating should have been strung up for treason.


yep. thousands of lives destroyed for nothing. More cannon fodder for the deep state

Yet the idiot Ukraine Care Bears cheer the most evil man clown actor Zelenskiy. And evil globalists in Europe and the
US just grifted the us tax payers of more billions and billions of dollars. Dumb Americans will never learn






So when do the DC rats come out with a full accounting of the $40B?

(story tell time)

Laughing.
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.


More irony that Canada literally has a NAZI as a Foreign Affairs Minister and she has been seen numerous times and supporting the Zelenskiy Azov NAZI's in the Ukraine.

What a clown world

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...rator-so-much-for-russian-disinformation
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by plumbum
Zero Hedge is a pro-russian site. That article is more pandering than it is reporting. "As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time...." It offers compliments and confirmation bias with republication, but not a lot more.

They may be right, they may be wrong, but any site that solicits to the suspicious through compliments should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

Especially one wrtten under a pseudonym like "Tyler Durden."
Actually, they were quoting the Washington Post.

Sure, but opinion and republication. Not a lot of substance.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Tarquin
The consequences will be very bad for the entire world if Putin wins this one.



list specific these bad consequences. lol of course you can't, just parroting your beloved msnbc


stick to worshipping George Floyd, blm and war mongering Neo cons
Good post.
Another look over here distraction from China.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=May+14+chinese+mobilization&t=newext&ia=web
I never saw anything that said Ukraine was winning the war.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by plumbum
Zero Hedge is a pro-russian site. That article is more pandering than it is reporting. "As many careful and less idealistic observers suspected the whole time...." It offers compliments and confirmation bias with republication, but not a lot more.

They may be right, they may be wrong, but any site that solicits to the suspicious through compliments should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

Especially one wrtten under a pseudonym like "Tyler Durden."
Actually, they were quoting the Washington Post.


lol. And they keep getting punked over and over.
Sure and WAPO is a legitimate source? Jeff Bezos? Give me a break.
This guy seems to have a pretty good handle on the situation.

I don't believe anything said by ANYBODY concerning this war.

But when Sean Penn and the rest of the libtards support Zelensky, I'm for Putin...He is ramming it to the NWO Cabal which, at this time, includes the ruling faction in our own country, the democraps, RINOS and Neocon war hawks.

The 40 plus billion could have gone to school security in our own country instead of what I believe to be a losing cause in Ukraine. Of course there was more than 40B if you include what was given to the Ukraine beforehand. Imagine what that $ could have done to bolster school security.
Lol!!!
I remember when ole north61 was on here several yrs ago promoting his youtube channel.
Asking for people to join so he could reach x amount of members and make money off it too help support his cost or whatever.

I joined for about 6 or 7months.
Watched a few random vids.
Basically started getting annoyed about update this that or the other, new vid this that or the other.
Just delete notices without even looking at anything.
Then I bailed one day because it was getting pretty old and honestly his content was lame...

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
We keep hearing about how much this war is costing Russia, well so far it has cost US taxpayers well in excess of $53 billion. We're the losers here... again.


Agreed. This is a European issue and Europe needs to settle it and fund it. Not one dime of our $$$ should go there. The only thing Ukraine produces that is important is grain and we are paying farmers to keep millions of acres of farm land out of production. Plow that and plant it and Ukraine becomes inconsequential to us and we can export grain to the nations that have been dependent on Ukraine. So rather than spending $$$ we should be making $$$ off this.

^^^This^^^

Wonder how much of that $53 Billion being sent to Ukraine is being funneled back to the Biden Crime Family through Crackhead Hunter’s contacts so Ped Joe can get his 10%. 😡
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Of course I was correct in my predictions

LOL.

You have been sailing around for months on a Failboat making silly prediction that never work out.

Remember the 40 mile colunm you were crowing about?

Originally Posted by Tyrone
Nothing says "winning!" like allowing an enemy column 40 miles long into your territory.

How did that work out?
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Wonder how much of that $53 Million being sent to Ukraine is being funneled back to the Biden Crime Family through Crackhead Hunter’s contacts so Ped Joe can get his 10%. 😡
I think you meant $53 BILLION and there no telling which pockets it WILL end up in. In the good old USA.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Wonder how much of that $53 Million being sent to Ukraine is being funneled back to the Biden Crime Family through Crackhead Hunter’s contacts so Ped Joe can get his 10%. 😡
I think you meant $53 BILLION and there no telling which pockets it WILL end up in. In the good old USA.

Yep. Meant to type 53 BILLION. 😬
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Of course I was correct in my predictions

LOL.

You have been sailing around for months on a Failboat making silly prediction that never work out.

Remember the 40 mile colunm you were crowing about?

Originally Posted by Tyrone
Nothing says "winning!" like allowing an enemy column 40 miles long into your territory.

How did that work out?
It worked out better than a Ukraine that couldn't beat 2 small break-away states in 8 years, but whose cheerleaders suddenly thought the Ukes were going to spank Russia in a week... or ever.




IN the Barents Sea. Supposedly 1000 km range. Probably in response to Finland and Sweden showing an interest in joining NATO
The Washington Post (owned by globalist Jeff Bezos) is an arm of the Marxist Democrat party just like the New York Times (owned by the richest man in Mexico Socialist billionaire Carlos Slim). It's a waste of time to read anything they report. .
I don’t know about you guys but what I read there suggests that our $53 Billion just isn’t gonna cut it. They need WAY more money than that along with NATO (read US) troops.

Wait for it…
I haven't any love for Putin but when I see McConnel, Cornyn, Biden and the entire democrat party rooting for Ukraine I know Putin is doing God's work.
Originally Posted by rainshot
I haven't any love for Putin but when I see McConnel, Cornyn, Biden and the entire democrat party rooting for Ukraine I know Putin is doing God's work.

+1

Still hoping Zalensky catches a bullet to his noggin and this shît is over sooner rather than later.
Originally Posted by rainshot
I haven't any love for Putin but when I see McConnel, Cornyn, Biden and the entire democrat party rooting for Ukraine I know Putin is doing God's work.



That is sigline gold there.



Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by rainshot
I haven't any love for Putin but when I see McConnel, Cornyn, Biden and the entire democrat party rooting for Ukraine I know Putin is doing God's work.

+1

Still hoping Zalensky catches a bullet to his noggin and this shît is over sooner rather than later.


Agreed.
Originally Posted by North61
I think you guys would have backed Hitler as well. Putin is the face of evil..if you can't see that you are not right in the head.

do they have libraries in Canada yet. Aresting people for not having a vaccine passport in Canada a few months ago and you think Putin is evil. Lol
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