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Russia is likely going to win....

At one point in the novel “Sign of the Four,” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s inimitable detective Sherlock Holmes explains and demonstrates to Dr. Watson his method of observation and deduction. Confronted with an apparently inexplicable circumstance, Dr. Watson is utterly perplexed. He simply cannot understand how the event in question came to pass, given the facts as he understands them and the laws of nature. Slightly irritated at his plodding companion’s bafflement, Holmes once again shares with him the methodological key to solving all such mysteries: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”


And the truth is, once we have eliminated all the impossible scenarios, the least improbable outcome of the war in Ukraine is a Russian victory.

Note that I did not say such an outcome would be desirable. Russia’s inevitable victory is anything but. Nor did I say it would be total. The outcome of this war is going to fall far short of the Kremlin’s initial hopes and expectations. Nor, finally, did I say it would be without significant cost. Any conceivable Russian victory now will entail such a loss of blood and treasure that it will have to be judged Pyrrhic at best.

But it will be a victory nonetheless — and we in the West had better come to grips with that hard truth.

Let’s begin by eliminating the impossible.

The first unrealistic endgame is the reduction of Ukraine to a vassal state of the Russian empire. This would entail the kind of operation initially envisioned by the Kremlin: a quick decapitating military strike, the installation of a pro-Moscow regime in Kyiv and either the formal incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian Federation or its informal incorporation into a Russian sphere of influence (like Belarus).

While perhaps the initial objective of Russia’s “special military operation,” this outcome is now obviously an impossibility. Russia did not have the ability to impose this vision in February, and it is decidedly less able to impose it 100 days later. Indeed, even the Russians themselves have conceded as much. Their rhetoric and military operations suggest that even they believe such an outcome to be beyond the realm of the possible.

The second impossible scenario is the total defeat of the Russian military and the restoration of Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders. In this scenario, the Ukrainian military, having blunted the initial Russian offensive, launches a successful counter-offensive that ultimately drives the Russians not only out of the territories they captured in 2022 but out of the Donbas and Crimea as well. The resulting political dispensation would be an independent Ukraine restored to its internationally recognized borders and free to join NATO and/or associate with the European Union (EU) as it saw fit.

While advocated by many within and beyond Ukraine, this outcome is simply impossible. Whatever the shortcomings displayed by Russian forces in the opening phase of the war – when they were first stopped at the gates of Kyiv and then driven from the north of the country altogether – recent battlefield developments suggest that they have found their footing and are not going to be pushed out of the territories taken in 2014.

Indeed, there is no reason to believe that they will even be displaced from much of the territory they have seized along the coast of the Sea of Azov. While there will doubtless be shifts on the battlefield as a result of offensives here and counter-offensives there, the correlation of forces simply do not augur a total victory for Ukraine. So, despite the willful delusions of some and the idealistic hopes others, this outcome is simply impossible.

The third and final impossible scenario is a limited Ukrainian victory that would reverse all or most of the Russian gains since Feb. 24, 2022. In this scenario, while the Donbas and Crimea remain in Russian hands, all the territory captured by Russia since its recent re-invasion would be liberated by Ukrainian forces and restored to Ukrainian control.

While once viewed as a realistic outcome, by now it should be obvious that this is impossible. Just as Ukraine lacks the ability to liberate all its pre-2014 territory, it also lacks the ability to liberate the recently conquered territory in the Donbas or along the Azov coast. Unlike in the north of Ukraine, these territories are central to Russian interests in Ukraine and, as such, Russia simply will not withdraw from them as it withdrew from Kyiv earlier in the war. Nor will Ukrainian forces – themselves, it should be noted, suffering terrible attrition all along the battle front and growing weaker with each passing day – be strong enough to compel them to do so. No, like the previous two scenarios, this one is simply an impossibility.

And that leaves only one other conceivable outcome: a fragmented and partly dismembered Ukraine, neither fully part of the West nor entirely within the Russian sphere of influence. A Ukraine fragmented in that the whole of the Donbas and perhaps other territories will be left beyond Kyiv’s control; partly dismembered in that Crimea will remain part of Russia (at least in Russian eyes); and not fully part of the West in that it will not be free to join NATO or even to have a meaningful partnership with the EU. Simply put, this outcome is not only not impossible, it’s not even improbable.

And when this final scenario comes to pass, who will have won the war in Ukraine?

Well, it won’t be Ukraine. While such an outcome will satisfy the basic existential goals of Kyiv, it will be a far cry from the more maximalist ambitions expressed both before and after Feb. 24. No, when this scenario inevitably comes to pass, it will clearly be a defeat for Kyiv.

Similarly, such an outcome will not satisfy the maximalist ambitions of those in Moscow who thought that their initial thunder run would resolve the Ukraine issue once and for all. But it will satisfy the Kremlin’s most basic and fundamental geopolitical desideratum: a neutralized Ukraine beyond both the geopolitical ambit of NATO and the geoeconomic orbit of the EU. It will also “restore” Crimea to its rightful place in Russia. And finally, it will demonstrate that interfering in Russia’s natural sphere of influence is unwise. In these ways, when the impossible has been eliminated, the resulting outcome will clearly be a victory for Moscow.

All of which suggests that, at the end of the day, it might be necessary to tweak Holmes’s aphorism just a bit. At least when it comes to thinking about the possible outcomes of the war in Ukraine, perhaps it ought to read something more like: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable unpalatable, must be the truth.”

Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington, D.C. Follow him on Twitter @aalatham.
Can we send billions more before the inevitable?
Lol
Originally Posted by Backroads
Can we send billions more before the inevitable?
Lol

Eggzactly ! :

Joey Bucks to Ukie


Monopoly $
Tarqueen's president loves him some defense spending in Ukraine.
So Tarquin. so you're a George Floyd worshipper, a covtard, A Biden worshipper and a NAZI worshipper. It seems you'll gravitate to any hideous cause to try and be popular. lol

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Originally Posted by moosemike
I love it! And the Azov put the one dead bastard right on video. Warms my ❤
I also enjoyed JoeBob's hissy fit



This^^^^^^ cool






Originally Posted by Tarquin
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...mp;cvid=e44971bc64794da4b52dfe86da1289ee

Russia is likely going to win....

At one point in the novel “Sign of the Four,” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s inimitable detective Sherlock Holmes explains and demonstrates to Dr. Watson his method of observation and deduction. Confronted with an apparently inexplicable circumstance, Dr. Watson is utterly perplexed. He simply cannot understand how the event in question came to pass, given the facts as he understands them and the laws of nature. Slightly irritated at his plodding companion’s bafflement, Holmes once again shares with him the methodological key to solving all such mysteries: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”


And the truth is, once we have eliminated all the impossible scenarios, the least improbable outcome of the war in Ukraine is a Russian victory.

Note that I did not say such an outcome would be desirable. Russia’s inevitable victory is anything but. Nor did I say it would be total. The outcome of this war is going to fall far short of the Kremlin’s initial hopes and expectations. Nor, finally, did I say it would be without significant cost. Any conceivable Russian victory now will entail such a loss of blood and treasure that it will have to be judged Pyrrhic at best.

But it will be a victory nonetheless — and we in the West had better come to grips with that hard truth.

Let’s begin by eliminating the impossible.

The first unrealistic endgame is the reduction of Ukraine to a vassal state of the Russian empire. This would entail the kind of operation initially envisioned by the Kremlin: a quick decapitating military strike, the installation of a pro-Moscow regime in Kyiv and either the formal incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian Federation or its informal incorporation into a Russian sphere of influence (like Belarus).

While perhaps the initial objective of Russia’s “special military operation,” this outcome is now obviously an impossibility. Russia did not have the ability to impose this vision in February, and it is decidedly less able to impose it 100 days later. Indeed, even the Russians themselves have conceded as much. Their rhetoric and military operations suggest that even they believe such an outcome to be beyond the realm of the possible.

The second impossible scenario is the total defeat of the Russian military and the restoration of Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders. In this scenario, the Ukrainian military, having blunted the initial Russian offensive, launches a successful counter-offensive that ultimately drives the Russians not only out of the territories they captured in 2022 but out of the Donbas and Crimea as well. The resulting political dispensation would be an independent Ukraine restored to its internationally recognized borders and free to join NATO and/or associate with the European Union (EU) as it saw fit.

While advocated by many within and beyond Ukraine, this outcome is simply impossible. Whatever the shortcomings displayed by Russian forces in the opening phase of the war – when they were first stopped at the gates of Kyiv and then driven from the north of the country altogether – recent battlefield developments suggest that they have found their footing and are not going to be pushed out of the territories taken in 2014.

Indeed, there is no reason to believe that they will even be displaced from much of the territory they have seized along the coast of the Sea of Azov. While there will doubtless be shifts on the battlefield as a result of offensives here and counter-offensives there, the correlation of forces simply do not augur a total victory for Ukraine. So, despite the willful delusions of some and the idealistic hopes others, this outcome is simply impossible.

The third and final impossible scenario is a limited Ukrainian victory that would reverse all or most of the Russian gains since Feb. 24, 2022. In this scenario, while the Donbas and Crimea remain in Russian hands, all the territory captured by Russia since its recent re-invasion would be liberated by Ukrainian forces and restored to Ukrainian control.

While once viewed as a realistic outcome, by now it should be obvious that this is impossible. Just as Ukraine lacks the ability to liberate all its pre-2014 territory, it also lacks the ability to liberate the recently conquered territory in the Donbas or along the Azov coast. Unlike in the north of Ukraine, these territories are central to Russian interests in Ukraine and, as such, Russia simply will not withdraw from them as it withdrew from Kyiv earlier in the war. Nor will Ukrainian forces – themselves, it should be noted, suffering terrible attrition all along the battle front and growing weaker with each passing day – be strong enough to compel them to do so. No, like the previous two scenarios, this one is simply an impossibility.

And that leaves only one other conceivable outcome: a fragmented and partly dismembered Ukraine, neither fully part of the West nor entirely within the Russian sphere of influence. A Ukraine fragmented in that the whole of the Donbas and perhaps other territories will be left beyond Kyiv’s control; partly dismembered in that Crimea will remain part of Russia (at least in Russian eyes); and not fully part of the West in that it will not be free to join NATO or even to have a meaningful partnership with the EU. Simply put, this outcome is not only not impossible, it’s not even improbable.

And when this final scenario comes to pass, who will have won the war in Ukraine?

Well, it won’t be Ukraine. While such an outcome will satisfy the basic existential goals of Kyiv, it will be a far cry from the more maximalist ambitions expressed both before and after Feb. 24. No, when this scenario inevitably comes to pass, it will clearly be a defeat for Kyiv.

Similarly, such an outcome will not satisfy the maximalist ambitions of those in Moscow who thought that their initial thunder run would resolve the Ukraine issue once and for all. But it will satisfy the Kremlin’s most basic and fundamental geopolitical desideratum: a neutralized Ukraine beyond both the geopolitical ambit of NATO and the geoeconomic orbit of the EU. It will also “restore” Crimea to its rightful place in Russia. And finally, it will demonstrate that interfering in Russia’s natural sphere of influence is unwise. In these ways, when the impossible has been eliminated, the resulting outcome will clearly be a victory for Moscow.

All of which suggests that, at the end of the day, it might be necessary to tweak Holmes’s aphorism just a bit. At least when it comes to thinking about the possible outcomes of the war in Ukraine, perhaps it ought to read something more like: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable unpalatable, must be the truth.”

Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington, D.C. Follow him on Twitter @aalatham.
Big surprise. The Neo Cons and Libs just grifted over 50 billion from US tax payers. Now they don't care. Mission accomplished thanks to idiot Ukraine Care Bears like tarqueen




Originally Posted by Tarquin
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...mp;cvid=e44971bc64794da4b52dfe86da1289ee

Russia is likely going to win....

At one point in the novel “Sign of the Four,” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s inimitable detective Sherlock Holmes explains and demonstrates to Dr. Watson his method of observation and deduction. Confronted with an apparently inexplicable circumstance, Dr. Watson is utterly perplexed. He simply cannot understand how the event in question came to pass, given the facts as he understands them and the laws of nature. Slightly irritated at his plodding companion’s bafflement, Holmes once again shares with him the methodological key to solving all such mysteries: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”


And the truth is, once we have eliminated all the impossible scenarios, the least improbable outcome of the war in Ukraine is a Russian victory.

Note that I did not say such an outcome would be desirable. Russia’s inevitable victory is anything but. Nor did I say it would be total. The outcome of this war is going to fall far short of the Kremlin’s initial hopes and expectations. Nor, finally, did I say it would be without significant cost. Any conceivable Russian victory now will entail such a loss of blood and treasure that it will have to be judged Pyrrhic at best.

But it will be a victory nonetheless — and we in the West had better come to grips with that hard truth.

Let’s begin by eliminating the impossible.

The first unrealistic endgame is the reduction of Ukraine to a vassal state of the Russian empire. This would entail the kind of operation initially envisioned by the Kremlin: a quick decapitating military strike, the installation of a pro-Moscow regime in Kyiv and either the formal incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian Federation or its informal incorporation into a Russian sphere of influence (like Belarus).

While perhaps the initial objective of Russia’s “special military operation,” this outcome is now obviously an impossibility. Russia did not have the ability to impose this vision in February, and it is decidedly less able to impose it 100 days later. Indeed, even the Russians themselves have conceded as much. Their rhetoric and military operations suggest that even they believe such an outcome to be beyond the realm of the possible.

The second impossible scenario is the total defeat of the Russian military and the restoration of Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders. In this scenario, the Ukrainian military, having blunted the initial Russian offensive, launches a successful counter-offensive that ultimately drives the Russians not only out of the territories they captured in 2022 but out of the Donbas and Crimea as well. The resulting political dispensation would be an independent Ukraine restored to its internationally recognized borders and free to join NATO and/or associate with the European Union (EU) as it saw fit.

While advocated by many within and beyond Ukraine, this outcome is simply impossible. Whatever the shortcomings displayed by Russian forces in the opening phase of the war – when they were first stopped at the gates of Kyiv and then driven from the north of the country altogether – recent battlefield developments suggest that they have found their footing and are not going to be pushed out of the territories taken in 2014.

Indeed, there is no reason to believe that they will even be displaced from much of the territory they have seized along the coast of the Sea of Azov. While there will doubtless be shifts on the battlefield as a result of offensives here and counter-offensives there, the correlation of forces simply do not augur a total victory for Ukraine. So, despite the willful delusions of some and the idealistic hopes others, this outcome is simply impossible.

The third and final impossible scenario is a limited Ukrainian victory that would reverse all or most of the Russian gains since Feb. 24, 2022. In this scenario, while the Donbas and Crimea remain in Russian hands, all the territory captured by Russia since its recent re-invasion would be liberated by Ukrainian forces and restored to Ukrainian control.

While once viewed as a realistic outcome, by now it should be obvious that this is impossible. Just as Ukraine lacks the ability to liberate all its pre-2014 territory, it also lacks the ability to liberate the recently conquered territory in the Donbas or along the Azov coast. Unlike in the north of Ukraine, these territories are central to Russian interests in Ukraine and, as such, Russia simply will not withdraw from them as it withdrew from Kyiv earlier in the war. Nor will Ukrainian forces – themselves, it should be noted, suffering terrible attrition all along the battle front and growing weaker with each passing day – be strong enough to compel them to do so. No, like the previous two scenarios, this one is simply an impossibility.

And that leaves only one other conceivable outcome: a fragmented and partly dismembered Ukraine, neither fully part of the West nor entirely within the Russian sphere of influence. A Ukraine fragmented in that the whole of the Donbas and perhaps other territories will be left beyond Kyiv’s control; partly dismembered in that Crimea will remain part of Russia (at least in Russian eyes); and not fully part of the West in that it will not be free to join NATO or even to have a meaningful partnership with the EU. Simply put, this outcome is not only not impossible, it’s not even improbable.

And when this final scenario comes to pass, who will have won the war in Ukraine?

Well, it won’t be Ukraine. While such an outcome will satisfy the basic existential goals of Kyiv, it will be a far cry from the more maximalist ambitions expressed both before and after Feb. 24. No, when this scenario inevitably comes to pass, it will clearly be a defeat for Kyiv.

Similarly, such an outcome will not satisfy the maximalist ambitions of those in Moscow who thought that their initial thunder run would resolve the Ukraine issue once and for all. But it will satisfy the Kremlin’s most basic and fundamental geopolitical desideratum: a neutralized Ukraine beyond both the geopolitical ambit of NATO and the geoeconomic orbit of the EU. It will also “restore” Crimea to its rightful place in Russia. And finally, it will demonstrate that interfering in Russia’s natural sphere of influence is unwise. In these ways, when the impossible has been eliminated, the resulting outcome will clearly be a victory for Moscow.

All of which suggests that, at the end of the day, it might be necessary to tweak Holmes’s aphorism just a bit. At least when it comes to thinking about the possible outcomes of the war in Ukraine, perhaps it ought to read something more like: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable unpalatable, must be the truth.”

Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington, D.C. Follow him on Twitter @aalatham.
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.
No schiett Sherlock.

The Fire Patriots new this a month ago and told you so.

So you were pulling for Soros and the NWO csbal?

So was Kilery and Zero.
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!
How is Russia's response so different than ours very well could have been during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

And how can so many be so blind as not to see Biden & Son's involvement in all the corruption in Ukraine?
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end
Originally Posted by skfullen
How is Russia's response so different than ours very well could have been during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

And how can so many be so blind as not to see Biden & Son's involvement in all the corruption in Ukraine?
You missed their corruption in Russia apparently. Trump didn't
Originally Posted by Backroads
Can we send billions more before the inevitable?
Lol
It all goes to the bank accounts of the US members of congress in the Ukraine banks.
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end

I’ve honestly never heard or read anyone refer to Chechnya’s as gallant in regards to their way of making war.

You’re emotive response there says volumes lol
If you didn’t take the time to drive out and cast a vote for Donald J. Trump, you can go Fugk yourself!
When the dust settles and history is written down, it will show that the US/US dollar was the biggest loser in the Russia/Ukraine conflict.
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end
The Chechens are filthy Mohammedans.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.

Im shocked he didn't leave the corrupt US NATO proxy puppet governments in place. lol

He sounds pretty dumb unlike Biden
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

You mean when the tax dollars taken at gunpoint from US citizens are given either as cash to be laundered or in the form of military aid to the current cause celeb amongst the liberal elite.
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end
The Chechens are filthy Mohammedans.


And the Chechens are fighting valiantly for Putin in Ukraine.

Wonder how that happened? probably because Kadryov realized that Putin had the Chechens best interest at heart unlike NATO global homos. The NATO and Democratic global homos hate the Chechens and Kadyrov. What does that tell you?
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end

Clueless about Ukraine and about Chechnya. No wonder why people think Americans are just dumb rednecks.
Tarqueen refuses to vote for Trump.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end

Clueless about Ukraine and about Chechnya. No wonder why people think Americans are just dumb rednecks.

Mooseknuckle is also a flaming COVTARD.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.


Tell us more how you can give an advanced rocket system to untrained monkeys and be successful with it. Are instructions written in Ukrainian? lol
How many months of training does a HIMARS tech need? How many different techs are needed to support each system and what are their duties?

How many support units do these advanced rocket systems require? How are you going to transport them to east Ukraine across the country? On the electric rail roads after the Russians already knocked out the power plants? Across rivers with the bridges removed already? Through the Black Sea controlled by Russians with Ukrainian mines left to float all over making t too dangerous to pass?

Will it be tracked or on wheels?

You and Moose mike and Hunter Biden should start a defense consulting business
50% of the members here wear their mask and take their boosters like good little sheep.
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Originally Posted by Backroads
Can we send billions more before the inevitable?
Lol
It all goes to the bank accounts of the US members of congress in the Ukraine banks.

And no sane person can believe differently. The democrat hierarchy certainly didn’t. Nor did the republicrats. Does anyone think Nancy the Female Otis (of Mayberry) dropped in on Kyiv to share her ice cream? And a couple shots of Stoli? How about Mundane Monotone McConnell? There for a pep talk? pfffftt. Those trips were to make sure Z had his mind right. As in we know you’re beat and you do too don’t forget our account numbers or you’ll be beat and dead and so will your wife. Thieves, traitors and tyrannists. It’s just the green stuff in chicken droppings vs the white stuff in chicken droppings. In the end, it’s all just chicken droppings. Totally disgusted and disdainful. I must have at least a tweak of Founding Fathers blood coursing thru my veins for there is certainly a lust for freedom in my mind.
How many HEMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
The real truth is that at the start of the war the Ukies had plenty of several different Russian MLRS systems that as I noted, in some ways were superior to the M270 or HIMARS systems. But, now for some reason, they don’t have those now. So, instead of our systems going over to tip the scales with American wonder weapons, the HIMARS is being sent over to try and make up for losses suffered by the Ukies.

Our MLRS will suffer the same fate the MLRS they had previously suffered.
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
It’s over. Quit listening to the MSM and the liberals waving the blue and yellow instead of the red, white and blue.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

I may have missed it but did you ever disclose what other political positions you share with the democrat party?

Serious question. I probably just missed your response when I asked it. Probably.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.


Tell us more how you can give an advanced rocket system to untrained monkeys and be successful with it. Are instructions written in Ukrainian? lol
How many months of training does a HIMARS tech need? How many different techs are needed to support each system and what are their duties?

How many support units do these advanced rocket systems require? How are you going to transport them to east Ukraine across the country? On the electric rail roads after the Russians already knocked out the power plants? Across rivers with the bridges removed already? Through the Black Sea controlled by Russians with Ukrainian mines left to float all over making t too dangerous to pass?

Will it be tracked or on wheels?

You and Moose mike and Hunter Biden should start a defense consulting business

I don’t know how advanced the rocket was that the pro Russian Ukrainian folks used to shoot down that airliner 10 or so years ago, but they sure managed to blow a passenger plane with a few hundred souls on board right outta the sky.

I guess even drunk Russian/Ukrainian retards get lucky every once in a while?
[quote=Dutch]If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

What countries did Putin just bomb into submission? .


if they all fled instead of defending their country who is going to do all of this sabotage? NATO troops? Why do Ukrainians embrace NAZIs so much in their country and have ceremonies worshipping NAZIs? The jews and Polke would love some payback on Ukrainians after all of the atrocities committed by Ukrainians in WWII and later the atrocities committed on ethnic Russians living in the Donbass from 2014 to present

Are Iraqis, Syrians, Serbians , Vietnamese and Afghans going to do the same to the US and NATO countries after they invaded and bombed their countries for 20 years killing over 500.000 innocent civilians? Biden recently killed an innocent family with children with his killer drones.


Putin has killed a small fraction of what the US has killed engaging in unwarranted wars invading countries for decades.

this selective outrage by Americans nows its ridiculous
The advanced rocket systems being deployed to Ukraine will have the necessary expertise to operate them . If not actual US military “advisors “ , there’ll be well paid contractors in attendance at a minimum.
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.


The money coming in from the diaspora to fund Biden’s gay puppet is but a drop in the bucket.

Funny we let Uke refugees in but for years all but banned the white South Africans.

I am sympathetic on a basic human level to anyone that suffers through a [bleep] situation. But that sympathy only goes so deep.
The Russians are winning the economic war too. Joe Biden is the anti Midas. Everything he touches turns to schit.
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.

I, too, believe that it’s going to be a protracted affair.

Looks like the EU has finally surmised that Putin’s not a dependable long term energy partner and apparently is moving in haste to wean off of Russia’s energy supplies by years end.
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.
They took some heat from that hostage "rescue".
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Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.

Putin apparently considers quite a few sovereign nations as within his borders.

He miscalculated on this latest episode.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
The real truth is that at the start of the war the Ukies had plenty of several different Russian MLRS systems that as I noted, in some ways were superior to the M270 or HIMARS systems. But, now for some reason, they don’t have those now. So, instead of our systems going over to tip the scales with American wonder weapons, the HIMARS is being sent over to try and make up for losses suffered by the Ukies.

Our MLRS will suffer the same fate the MLRS they had previously suffered.



Because the Russians blowed them up.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...mp;cvid=e44971bc64794da4b52dfe86da1289ee

Russia is likely going to win....

At one point in the novel “Sign of the Four,” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s inimitable detective Sherlock Holmes explains and demonstrates to Dr. Watson his method of observation and deduction. Confronted with an apparently inexplicable circumstance, Dr. Watson is utterly perplexed. He simply cannot understand how the event in question came to pass, given the facts as he understands them and the laws of nature. Slightly irritated at his plodding companion’s bafflement, Holmes once again shares with him the methodological key to solving all such mysteries: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”


And the truth is, once we have eliminated all the impossible scenarios, the least improbable outcome of the war in Ukraine is a Russian victory.

Note that I did not say such an outcome would be desirable. Russia’s inevitable victory is anything but. Nor did I say it would be total. The outcome of this war is going to fall far short of the Kremlin’s initial hopes and expectations. Nor, finally, did I say it would be without significant cost. Any conceivable Russian victory now will entail such a loss of blood and treasure that it will have to be judged Pyrrhic at best.

But it will be a victory nonetheless — and we in the West had better come to grips with that hard truth.

Let’s begin by eliminating the impossible.

The first unrealistic endgame is the reduction of Ukraine to a vassal state of the Russian empire. This would entail the kind of operation initially envisioned by the Kremlin: a quick decapitating military strike, the installation of a pro-Moscow regime in Kyiv and either the formal incorporation of Ukraine into the Russian Federation or its informal incorporation into a Russian sphere of influence (like Belarus).

While perhaps the initial objective of Russia’s “special military operation,” this outcome is now obviously an impossibility. Russia did not have the ability to impose this vision in February, and it is decidedly less able to impose it 100 days later. Indeed, even the Russians themselves have conceded as much. Their rhetoric and military operations suggest that even they believe such an outcome to be beyond the realm of the possible.

The second impossible scenario is the total defeat of the Russian military and the restoration of Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders. In this scenario, the Ukrainian military, having blunted the initial Russian offensive, launches a successful counter-offensive that ultimately drives the Russians not only out of the territories they captured in 2022 but out of the Donbas and Crimea as well. The resulting political dispensation would be an independent Ukraine restored to its internationally recognized borders and free to join NATO and/or associate with the European Union (EU) as it saw fit.

While advocated by many within and beyond Ukraine, this outcome is simply impossible. Whatever the shortcomings displayed by Russian forces in the opening phase of the war – when they were first stopped at the gates of Kyiv and then driven from the north of the country altogether – recent battlefield developments suggest that they have found their footing and are not going to be pushed out of the territories taken in 2014.

Indeed, there is no reason to believe that they will even be displaced from much of the territory they have seized along the coast of the Sea of Azov. While there will doubtless be shifts on the battlefield as a result of offensives here and counter-offensives there, the correlation of forces simply do not augur a total victory for Ukraine. So, despite the willful delusions of some and the idealistic hopes others, this outcome is simply impossible.

The third and final impossible scenario is a limited Ukrainian victory that would reverse all or most of the Russian gains since Feb. 24, 2022. In this scenario, while the Donbas and Crimea remain in Russian hands, all the territory captured by Russia since its recent re-invasion would be liberated by Ukrainian forces and restored to Ukrainian control.

While once viewed as a realistic outcome, by now it should be obvious that this is impossible. Just as Ukraine lacks the ability to liberate all its pre-2014 territory, it also lacks the ability to liberate the recently conquered territory in the Donbas or along the Azov coast. Unlike in the north of Ukraine, these territories are central to Russian interests in Ukraine and, as such, Russia simply will not withdraw from them as it withdrew from Kyiv earlier in the war. Nor will Ukrainian forces – themselves, it should be noted, suffering terrible attrition all along the battle front and growing weaker with each passing day – be strong enough to compel them to do so. No, like the previous two scenarios, this one is simply an impossibility.

And that leaves only one other conceivable outcome: a fragmented and partly dismembered Ukraine, neither fully part of the West nor entirely within the Russian sphere of influence. A Ukraine fragmented in that the whole of the Donbas and perhaps other territories will be left beyond Kyiv’s control; partly dismembered in that Crimea will remain part of Russia (at least in Russian eyes); and not fully part of the West in that it will not be free to join NATO or even to have a meaningful partnership with the EU. Simply put, this outcome is not only not impossible, it’s not even improbable.

And when this final scenario comes to pass, who will have won the war in Ukraine?

Well, it won’t be Ukraine. While such an outcome will satisfy the basic existential goals of Kyiv, it will be a far cry from the more maximalist ambitions expressed both before and after Feb. 24. No, when this scenario inevitably comes to pass, it will clearly be a defeat for Kyiv.

Similarly, such an outcome will not satisfy the maximalist ambitions of those in Moscow who thought that their initial thunder run would resolve the Ukraine issue once and for all. But it will satisfy the Kremlin’s most basic and fundamental geopolitical desideratum: a neutralized Ukraine beyond both the geopolitical ambit of NATO and the geoeconomic orbit of the EU. It will also “restore” Crimea to its rightful place in Russia. And finally, it will demonstrate that interfering in Russia’s natural sphere of influence is unwise. In these ways, when the impossible has been eliminated, the resulting outcome will clearly be a victory for Moscow.

All of which suggests that, at the end of the day, it might be necessary to tweak Holmes’s aphorism just a bit. At least when it comes to thinking about the possible outcomes of the war in Ukraine, perhaps it ought to read something more like: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable unpalatable, must be the truth.”

Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington, D.C. Follow him on Twitter @aalatham.

Well Crap! There goes a big part of the Biden family's slush funds.
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

I may have missed it but did you ever disclose what other political positions you share with the democrat party?

Serious question. I probably just missed your response when I asked it. Probably.

Just flagging this question again for the big time Trump supporter houston 2. Curious what other issues you've decided to reach across the isle so ardently on... Mr. Huge Trump supporter.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.

Putin apparently considers quite a few sovereign nations as within his borders.

He miscalculated on this latest episode.

So long as the NWO cabal has the US taxpayer to fund it I can see your point.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.
This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.
Putin apparently considers quite a few sovereign nations as within his borders.
He miscalculated on this latest episode.
This ain't over 'til it's over. My money($6000 actual dollars) are on Russia.
fascinating.

what about the druzhba pipeline?



Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.

I, too, believe that it’s going to be a protracted affair.

Looks like the EU has finally surmised that Putin’s not a dependable long term energy partner and apparently is moving in haste to wean off of Russia’s energy supplies by years end.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.
This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.
Putin apparently considers quite a few sovereign nations as within his borders.
He miscalculated on this latest episode.
This ain't over 'til it's over. My money($6000 actual dollars) are on Russia.

Agree. It ain’t over till it’s over and it may take a while.
fascinating analysis.


Please elaborate.... What other sovereign nations? Just name 6 of them. as you stated there are "quite a few"

What did he miscalculate? Be specific in your context



and would be fascinating if you could explain Kadryov's willingness to send in Chechens troops to fight for Russia since you have an outstanding knowledge of this region, history and politics like jeffo , moosemike and other other neocons



Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dutch
If recent history is of any value, the conflict will not end. It'll transition to guerrilla warfare, which will spread outside of Ukraine to Belarus, Georgia and other border areas. In the old days, Putin could have just bombed the whole country and all it's people into submission. Today is different. Many, many, many Ukes have fled (one of them lives with my brother). They will be a source of money and political support for whomever is actually doing the ground work. The Ukes I know in this country are sending support "home" in several different ways.

This is just starting.
Read up a little on how Russians handled the Chechen terrorists that took hostages in a Russian theater back in October of 2002. The Russians can get pretty heavy handed with "freedom fighters". They fight different than us. Casualties aren't an issue. Winning is the only consideration when it's inside their borders which is what they consider this part of Ukraine.

Putin apparently considers quite a few sovereign nations as within his borders.

He miscalculated on this latest episode.
The Guardian has posted a chronology of significant events since day one of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and it’s a long one but interesting read.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
The Guardian has posted a chronology of significant events since day one of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and it’s a long one but interesting read.

so you won't address your nebulous statements and platitudes once again. lol. typical

stick to cut and paste msn and cnn articles
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

I may have missed it but did you ever disclose what other political positions you share with the democrat party?

Serious question. I probably just missed your response when I asked it. Probably.

Just flagging this question again for the big time Trump supporter houston 2. Curious what other issues you've decided to reach across the isle so ardently on... Mr. Huge Trump supporter.

Truth, and on target.
Praying here that Putin reveals the financial shenanigans of Bidet, Zero, Romney, Soros, Kerry, Piglosi, Killery and the WEF and Schwab in Ukraine and the Gates/Faukk/Zero Bioweapons programs and stops the next Plandemic Gates promised was coming and worse than Covid.
Laughing here!

Russian Foreign Ministry is very concerned about Germany increasing their spending on their military and the testing of equipment and systems in their northern border area.

Russia says “it increases security risks”.

No s-hit. Way to go Putin.

Reuters
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by rainshot
What if!! Russia had no intention of installing a pro Russia regime in Kiev? Russia only wanted to stop the constant bombing, murder, rape and destruction of Russian speaking peoples in cities living there. Russia wanted to defeat Nazi Azof elements desiccation of people. Russia wanted to get rid of American Biological laboratories we installed in Ukraine.
Russia wanted to make Ukraine honor the treaty they signed over eight years ago.

You mean like the pro Russian governments Putin installed in Georgia and the Crimea.
Everybody forgets Chechnya. They fought those Russian piece of [bleep] gallantly too. And lost in the end

Clueless about Ukraine and about Chechnya. No wonder why people think Americans are just dumb rednecks.

Mooseknuckle is also a flaming COVTARD.
Not at all but lies are what you are all about
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?
Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit
Now that was an ugly thing to say.
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit



Aren't you some type of self righteous christian preacher or something? lol. go buy a map of east Europe
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit


Laughing out loud !
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Laughing here!

Russian Foreign Ministry is very concerned about Germany increasing their spending on their military and the testing of equipment and systems in their northern border area.

Russia says “it increases security risks”.

No s-hit. Way to go Putin.

Reuters

France now following Germany’s lead on increasing their military budget and readiness.

Trump would be pleased. Maybe his admonishments to NATO are finally starting to be heeded.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
The Guardian has posted a chronology of significant events since day one of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and it’s a long one but interesting read.
The war actually started in 2014. Where is that timeline?
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Houston_2
The Guardian has posted a chronology of significant events since day one of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and it’s a long one but interesting read.
The war actually started in 2014. Where is that timeline?



sshhhh the self important Ukraine Care Bears are posting. No wonder our education system ranks at the bottom of the world
The truth of the Russians,revealing to the world the CIA run bio-weapon labs,exposing the murder of ethnic Russians who have lived in Ukraine for many,many generations,exposing the theft of money from Ukrainian citizens by the Jews, Kolomoyskyi and Zelensky and their use of Nazis to do their bidding, is totally palatable.lol

BTW,GFY tarqueen and your fellow Uke/Nazi/Satan supporters.
Amen
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit

a weak doddering old cowardly boomer fool with a foul mouth. lol.

Go get your booster mooseknuckle!!!
Originally Posted by rte
The truth of the Russians,revealing to the world the CIA run bio-weapon labs,exposing the murder of ethnic Russians who have lived in Ukraine for many,many generations,exposing the theft of money from Ukrainian citizens by the Jews, Kolomoyskyi and Zelensky and their use of Nazis to do their bidding, is totally palatable.lol

BTW,GFY tarqueen and your fellow Uke/Nazi/Satan supporters.

Yeah, Ole KGB Putin is so squeaky clean too. Gotta love it.

ETA:
Rumor has it that NATO sent him a thank you and get well card.
I think you may be on to something.

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But what do YOU think?

Posting what everyone in the press thinks is not original thinking.

I think that they will give the russians a bloody nose that they will not forget and will awaken in other countries in the region that they need to take them sob's as seriously as death.

Because when finished don't be surprised if the russians go for it in other countries.

Some here get their news from the tv or online and suck up everything that is said without question.

Makes one wonder about those folks.
It was a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Unfortunately you and the other tards chose to the greater of two evils to support.

Exposing to corruption of the CIA,their support of ethnic cleansing and their money laundering of our tax dollars,should have been of greater concern but you and the other tards chose foolishly.
Originally Posted by rte
It was a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Unfortunately you and the other tards chose to the greater of two evils to support.

Exposing to corruption of the CIA,their support of ethnic cleansing and their money laundering of our tax dollars,should have been of greater concern but you and the other tards chose foolishly.

NATO is happy, gaining 2 more members and with Germany’s and France’s ramping up their military machines it’s hard not to like Putin.

Seems like Japan is following suit with Germany and France.

Throw in the EU’s current program of getting rid of the need for Russian oil and gas by years end and what’s not to like about Putin and his past and present courses that he’s taken.

So you see, rye, we agree.
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.

The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.

You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.

Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
Houston and mooseknuckle share booster needles.

LOL
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.

The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.

You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.

Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.

The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.

You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.

Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?


You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.

More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.

The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.

You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.

Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.

Well, bingo.
Originally Posted by plainsman456
But what do YOU think?

Posting what everyone in the press thinks is not original thinking.

I think that they will give the russians a bloody nose that they will not forget and will awaken in other countries in the region that they need to take them sob's as seriously as death.

Because when finished don't be surprised if the russians go for it in other countries.

Some here get their news from the tv or online and suck up everything that is said without question.

Makes one wonder about those folks.


So Russia will get a bloody nose and then attack other European nations to get a black eye?

I dont think so.
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by JoeBob
How many HEMMTTs and HEMATs are we sending with the HIMARS? And how many crews to man them and load the pods? How much training will the Ukies get on running an MLRS FDC? How will they protect themselves from Russian counter battery fire from Russian MLRS systems that out range them and are more destructive to boot?


Houston and moose knuckle wlll be right back with their first hand experience right after their 6th boosters
[bleep] you you human piece of dogshit

For posterity.

Still laughing!
pretty fascinating one dimensional thinking.

Did Sean Hannity and Shepard Smith teach you that?




Originally Posted by plainsman456
But what do YOU think?

Posting what everyone in the press thinks is not original thinking.

I think that they will give the russians a bloody nose that they will not forget and will awaken in other countries in the region that they need to take them sob's as seriously as death.

Because when finished don't be surprised if the russians go for it in other countries.

Some here get their news from the tv or online and suck up everything that is said without question.

Makes one wonder about those folks.
Originally Posted by deflave
Houston and mooseknuckle share booster needles.

LOL

double


kunnies gotta kunny

Funny how worshipping facism, NAZI's and a pretty harmless cold virus go hand in hand




look at this great American patriot worshipping corrupt NAZIs like he did Fauci's vax. Is everyone that dumb down in Texas?


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I wished that they ( AZOV NAZI's) could have been relieved or resupplied before now.

They gave it hell and should be proud to have done what they did for so long with so littl
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Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

I may have missed it but did you ever disclose what other political positions you share with the democrat party?

Serious question. I probably just missed your response when I asked it. Probably.

Just flagging this question again for the big time Trump supporter houston 2. Curious what other issues you've decided to reach across the isle so ardently on... Mr. Huge Trump supporter.

I'm beginning to think houston is intentionally not answering my question. Now why would houston do that? hmmmmm
he's a some liberal. kahunt's sock puppet that's why





Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by copperking81
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
How many buildings has Putin destroyed in Ukraine? MANY!

How many buildings has Zeleniski knocked down in Russia? NONE!


Unless you’re a dumbass ‘who’s won’??? should be quite obvious!

Let’s see how that shoe fits the Russians with Ukraine in the process of being armed with our advanced rocket systems.

I may have missed it but did you ever disclose what other political positions you share with the democrat party?

Serious question. I probably just missed your response when I asked it. Probably.

Just flagging this question again for the big time Trump supporter houston 2. Curious what other issues you've decided to reach across the isle so ardently on... Mr. Huge Trump supporter.

I'm beginning to think houston is intentionally not answering my question. Now why would houston do that? hmmmmm
Recent Yale study reveals that the 600 publicly traded companies who totally severed their business ties to Russia and departed have gained in market value versus those companies that remained which have gone negative market values.

The Hill
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know of a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.

ETA:
If someone is wanting to cash in on the Ruble I believe that it’s easily traded in the OTC market.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know if a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.

You and Burns were sure berating others opinions when the Ruble was dropping initially..... if you had a shred of integrity you would acknowledge that.... but you don't so you wont
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know if a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.
Maybe my friend antelopesniper will barge in and opine on this. He and I don't agree on theology or the lack thereof but he is pretty sharp on economics. I noticed the same Rubles would buy way more dollars than they would in March and that seems an indication that Russia is succeeding.
Hard commodities vs USD.... hmmm I say commodities win, they have useful value after all.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know if a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.
Maybe my friend antelopesniper will barge in and opine on this. He and I don't agree on theology or the lack thereof but he is pretty sharp on economics. I noticed the same Rubles would buy way more dollars than they would in March and that seems an indication that Russia is succeeding.


If it matters there’s typically 8 “major currencies” that are traded on the world stage. The Ruble is not among them.
Europe's Ban On Russian Energy Will Only Trigger More Inflation Pain In The West


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ll-only-trigger-more-inflation-pain-west
Russia now holds one-fifth of Ukraine, and controls Ukraine's industrial heartland, 90% of its energy resources (including all offshore oil), and its critical ports and shipping.
What does that mean?


The US can’t even produce baby formula now or it’s own vaccines

Why are all countries in Europe, Africa Asia buying Russian products in roubles now?

What is Russia’s national debt now?

What is our national debt?


Do Russian generals attend tranny drag shows now at their military bases in Russia and praise them like our generals?


Are you jeffo sock puppet?





Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know if a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.
Maybe my friend antelopesniper will barge in and opine on this. He and I don't agree on theology or the lack thereof but he is pretty sharp on economics. I noticed the same Rubles would buy way more dollars than they would in March and that seems an indication that Russia is succeeding.


If it matters there’s typically 8 “major currencies” that are traded on the world stage. The Ruble is not among them.
Originally Posted by ribka
Are you jeffo sock puppet?

Ol' Poof.

Covtard, Krainetard and Communist.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by ribka
Are you jeffo sock puppet?

Ol' Poof.

Covtard, Krainetard and Communist.

The covtard poof sounded familiar

You are correct sir
Originally Posted by ribka
What does that mean?


The US can’t even produce baby formula now or it’s own vaccines

Why are all countries in Europe, Africa Asia buying Russian products in roubles now?

What is Russia’s national debt now?

What is our national debt?


Do Russian generals attend tranny drag shows now at their military bases in Russia and praise them like our generals?


Are you jeffo sock puppet?





Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know if a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.
Maybe my friend antelopesniper will barge in and opine on this. He and I don't agree on theology or the lack thereof but he is pretty sharp on economics. I noticed the same Rubles would buy way more dollars than they would in March and that seems an indication that Russia is succeeding.


If it matters there’s typically 8 “major currencies” that are traded on the world stage. The Ruble is not among them.

I have said it before and will say it again.... anytime JeffO is on the same side of the issue as you, you damn better re-evaluate your position
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Recent Yale study reveals that the 600 publicly traded companies who totally severed their business ties to Russia and departed have gained in market value versus those companies that remained which have gone negative market values.

The Hill
See what happens when the Fed OMC stops propping up a company's stock?
OL TOOT You're quite the troll. Did the Covid run you off and you had to invent a silly sock puppet posting non sensical schit?



Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by rte
Until it comes to fruition,all of your post is a dream.
The ruble,the second oldest currency still in existence,is stronger than ever and the dollar is losing ground at an unprecedented rate.As a matter of fact,the Russian ruble is the strongest currency in 2022.
You and the other tards have supported the globohomo/NWO/CIA and their murder of millions of citizens.
Left wingers have been wrong about every issue,regardless of whether it's domestic or foreign policy.
I mentioned this the other day, the Russian Ruble is worth way more in U.S. dollars than it was in March. What's up with that if they are expected to lose this little dustup and come under the iron boot of NATO?
You do realize that a weaker usd$ helps our exports and a stronger usd$ (against the other 5 currencies) hurts our exports.
More exports means more jobs most of the time.
Is it Russia's Ruble gaining value any indication that it is succeeding against Ukraine? The Ruble is gaining against the Euro and the British Pound.

I can't believe that a strengthening Ruble is good news for Ukraine.

Couldn’t say, Hastings. Currencies do what they do and are easily manipulated, not saying that’s the case with the Ruble.

I don’t know of a single person who talks about the Ruble’s value who is actively buying Rubles for their own investments purposes.

ETA:
If someone is wanting to cash in on the Ruble I believe that it’s easily traded in the OTC market.
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards.
Originally Posted by Hastings
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards.

Russia only gained from their endeavor.

The United States only lost.
Originally Posted by Hastings
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards
.
A lot to be said for fiscal responsibility, or the lack there of.
I won’t/couldn’t run my household the way our current .gov is running this country.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Hastings
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards.
Russia only gained from their endeavor.
The United States only lost.
I understand Biden had sheit to cover up, but why did the rest of us care what happened to Ukraine, a nasty actor to say the least. I'm guessing the U.S. and the rest of NATO has been up to political nastiness concerning Ukraine and money laundering and pushing Ukraine up to aggravating Russia. We have no way of knowing what the Russian reasons are for attacking Ukraine are because whatever they say will be false according to the fact (fake) checkers.
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by Hastings
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards
.
A lot to be said for fiscal responsibility, or the lack there of.
I won’t/couldn’t run my household the way our current .gov is running this country.

And then they risk the whole thing on a failed attempt to take Ukraine.

Yes, Russia was fiscally responsible, as we should be.

But then they blew it.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Praying here that Putin reveals the financial shenanigans of Bidet, Zero, Romney, Soros, Kerry, Piglosi, Killery and the WEF and Schwab in Ukraine and the Gates/Faukk/Zero Bioweapons programs and stops the next Plandemic Gates promised was coming and worse than Covid.

Saving Americans from themselves is of little benefit to Putin.
Russia has more money than ever. They have commodities the world must have out the ass. The have a more modest consumer sector than the west, but what the do have is faaaaaaaaar more supported by and manufactured within Russia itself than in a Clownworld countries. The Clownworld countries have sold out for climate change, ESG, and other some bullshit. They are stifling their economies. Russia is not doing that. Thus, in real terms Russia grows stronger while Clownworld grows weaker.

In the coming weeks and months, you’re going to see Clownworld countries realize this and attempt to get Ukraine and Russia to the table to hammer out a deal. They’re going to do so, because they realize Russia isn’t losing and that it’s survival and growing strength spell the end of Clownworld. Question is, will Russia take the bait and come back into the fold a little?
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Russia has more money than ever. They have commodities the world must have out the ass. The have a more modest consumer sector than the west, but what the do have is faaaaaaaaar more supported by and manufactured within Russia itself than in a Clownworld countries. The Clownworld countries have sold out for climate change, ESG, and other some bullshit. They are stifling their economies. Russia is not doing that. Thus, in real terms Russia grows stronger while Clownworld grows weaker.

In the coming weeks and months, you’re going to see Clownworld countries realize this and attempt to get Ukraine and Russia to the table to hammer out a deal. They’re going to do so, because they realize Russia isn’t losing and that it’s survival and growing strength spell the end of Clownworld. Question is, will Russia take the bait and come back into the fold a little?




Yep, and in Biden's recent speech regarding the state of our economy he stated that Americans' standard of living and savings are at all alll time high and he will have the Fed print more money to invest in our new Green economy which worked great for Germany and Spain and will curb inflation. Yes he said that and 1/2 America believes this. QE will stop sky rocketing inflation
They control th ports, the industrial areas and agriculture in E Ukraine. West Ukraine produces nothing and has no value for Russia other than a buffer from NATO. Still bet Poland will be sent into W Ukraine as a peace keeping force


Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by Hastings
I believe Russia has this Ukraine situation in the bag. On January 3 a U.S. dollar would buy 74.6 rubles, on March 8 a U.S. dollar would buy 143 Rubles. Yesterday a U.S. dollar would buy 63 Rubles. The Ruble is more valuable against the GBP, Euro, and Dollar today than it was before the war.

Are we going to bankrupt ourselves? Probably already have. Russia was holding billions in U.S. debt and now has dumped 84% of it. Russia is the 9th least indebted nation in the world.

Russia reminds me of the "millionaire next door", modest house, 10 year old car, but could buy you out anytime he wishes. The U.S. and Western Europe look wealthy but it is all on credit cards
.
A lot to be said for fiscal responsibility, or the lack there of.
I won’t/couldn’t run my household the way our current .gov is running this country.

And then they risk the whole thing on a failed attempt to take Ukraine.

Yes, Russia was fiscally responsible, as we should be.

But then they blew it.
Originally Posted by plumbum
And then they risk the whole thing on a failed attempt to take Ukraine.
Yes, Russia was fiscally responsible, as we should be.
But then they blew it.
You think Russia going to lose? I think they have called NATOs bluff and NATO is stupidly shoving in more chips.
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