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This article is poorly written. It sounds like this is a move to destroy older vehicles engines? Like on purpose....

Biden Administration Quietly Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Gasoline from Ten Percent to Fifteen, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon

June 6, 2022 | Sundance | 410 Comments

Last Friday the Biden administration raised the mandatory amount of biofuel, specifically ethanol, that must be blended within the U.S. gasoline supply. The previous amount of 10% was raised to 15% by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This is likely to lead to two sets of bigger issues, less food and higher gas prices.

♦ First issue. – The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is a government mandate, passed in 2005 and expanded in 2007, that requires growing volumes of biofuels to be blended into U.S. transportation fuels like gasoline and diesel every year. Approximately 40 percent of corn grown in the U.S. is used for ethanol. Raising the amount of ethanol required in gasoline will result in the need for more biofuel (corn). With farming costs and outputs already under pressure this could be problematic.



♦ Second issue – The EPA enforces the biofuel standard by requiring refineries to submit purchase credits (known as Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs) to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) proving the purchases. This enforcement requirement sets up a system where the RIN credits are bought and sold by small refineries who do not have the infrastructure to do the blending process. They purchase second-hand RIN credits from parties that blended or imported biofuels directly. This sets up a secondary income stream, a trading market for the larger oil companies, refineries and importers.

The RIN credit trading platform is similar to what we might expect to see if the ‘Carbon Trading’ scheme was ever put into place. However, now that the biofuel requirements for blended gasoline have gone from 10% to 15%, the price of the RIN credits will likely jump. This will cost refineries billions in additional expenses,…. which will mean the cost of the gasoline from the refineries will increase,….. which will mean the cost of the gasoline at the pump will go higher.


The EPA theory is that RIN credits should be expensive thereby forcing all oil refineries to invest in infrastructure that makes the blended fuel. All of the infrastructure from the refinery to the gas station would need to be modified to facilitate the new 15% RFS standard. Again, higher prices at the pumps as a result of oil companies and refineries needing to spend billions on upgrades. Which brings us to issue number three.

♦ Third Issue – “Ethanol is a valuable source of octane in finished gasoline, but it is chemically different than petroleum gasoline and cannot be used in concentrations above 10 percent in small engines — like outboard boat motors, motorcycles, lawnmowers, generators or chain saws — or in any cars made before 2001. Complicating matters further, most cars on the road today still aren’t warrantied to run on gasoline with more than 10 percent ethanol. Retail stations also must have compatible infrastructure in order to sell gasoline with higher ethanol blends.” This issue is known within the industry as “The Blend Wall.”

The net result of Joe Biden’s EPA raising the mandatory amount of biofuel that must be present in the U.S. gas supply is this:

(1) Less food as more corn is needed for ethanol.
(2) Higher prices for finished and blended gasoline.
(3) Vehicle engines breaking down at a much higher rate.
The predictable Biden outcome is the absolute worst scenario for the middle-class.

I buy it when I can.

The total destruction of the middle class is the real plan. Destruction of older cars is just a little bonus for them. $10.00+ gas is the immediate goal.

Ethanol been fugking up engines since the last 20 years plus

It is the second step in the planned destruction of what we consider to be civilization. 10% was the foot in the door. 85% is lurking to begin the final downfall. If we had been on our toes we would have eliminated the production of corn when this first started. Now all is lost.

Why not allow MTBE again? Just outlaw it for marine use?

Is the corn used in ethanol field corn or something not eaten by people? They are talking about famine due to grain embargo by Russia.... IIRC corn is a crop that needs a lot of fertilizer? Not sure even the MSM can keep this quite?

Seems like an attack on people that are driving our long paid for trucks. A plan to force us off our mountain ridge tops....

Pass this on if that seems like the goal to you.

Henry Ford designed the 'T", to run on menthol. His autos built the petroleum industry.

Their next trick will be sawdust in the bread we buy.

bought 5 gallon of real gas yesterday.....

storage

eth free 88 octane

$5.39 gallon

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Funny thing ,, a lot of Midwest ethanol plants closed or were closing due to lack of profits. What I remember $2 corn lots of profit, $4 corn needed subsidies to make profit and anything Over $5 broke them, corn today closed at$7.43 July futures so how is new 15% standard even going to work

Corn for ethanol production is what's termed "field corn".
Larger ears and larger kernels than sweet corn or not popcorn.
It's normally grown as stock feed. When the gummint started offering incentives for corn for ethanol production, farmers went nuts! They put CRP lands into production and raised more and more corn.
Most of what they grow for ethanol production is some sort of hybrid GMO. The GMO supposedly stops diseases and insects.
....but GMO corn still "corn" and okay to eat.

I grew up as a kid eating "field corn" (Yellow Dent) both creamed and on the cob!
With an ear of field corn, you didn't have to chew half the cob to get a mouthful! 🚜🌽🌽🌽

Corn isn't the only grain going into ethanol production. Milo from central Kansas get trucked into Nebraska daily to feed the ethanol plant(s) up there.

Ed

Interesting.

Kools?

The dried distillers grain, the byproduct, is a protein feed.

I had to go to 2 different auto parts stores to fine 2 5 gal gas cans.... 38.00 each. wrote the date on them after filling up with premium no ethanol gas. Thought about fuel stabilizer but the container said it was only good for 1 year of storage. Is 6 Months a reasonable time to keep untreated gas?

Generally six moths is fine and it used to be a year wasn't really a problem. Who knows these days.

Isn't it everyone's ground water now?

Haven't bought any ethanol in maybe 10 years except traveling out of state

I have nothing that will burn e15, not even the brand new generator, but it is dual fuel
They damn well in know what they are doing. Ruin every older car, lawnmower, chain saw, generator.
Is there any way to combat too much alcohol? Stabul or similar, or a dollop of diesel?

Does this mean you seek it out?

I buy pure non ethanol gas from a couple of different stations here. It’s about 50 cents higher.

I also keep about 40 gallons of it stored here on the farm for all of our small engines.

This is getting oldfast.

What is the break point year or so where a vehicle is o.k. running this stuff?

For years I had to take a long drive to another town in another county to get non ethanol gas to run in my small engines. That stuff will probably become extinct like the dinosaurs in a year or two.
I always hated ethanol gas.

Did dinosaurs and man coexist?

Billy Graham is in hell and ole Crapper can't touch the power tools without his moms say so.

Whoever thought of making fuel with food should be shot in the temple.

Slum
Colorado has a couple stations with E0. I tried it in my truck but cannot tell if it burned better. It did not draw moisture

Otherwise, called my brother and he already knows how E10 does in motorcycle and 2 strokes but thinks E15 is to bring gas prices But he still think Biden is for the little man. He had to pay income tax because of under withholding. No idea wgat his total bill was. He is retired union glazer so he did have to learn reak skills.. I know several who are mad because they cannot itemize now. Damn it, the standard deduction is more than all that added up stuff. Rant over

MTBE is dangerous. It causes health problems. The use of both has been banned in AK.

Suck chuck Grassleys dick for ethanol, he needs to go

Li’l Bushy ..

Here in Mn most all gas stations have ethanol free gas for small engine use. But you can put it in anything if you want to. We have lots of boats here.
But this stuff is pretty spendy now a daze. Biden is out to ruin this country, I'm not sure why, but he is the chosen one.

Would you also say that Bleck Jesus began that task in earnest in 2008?

“Fundamentally changing America” ??

This. I did the project at one of our refineries to run MTBE as required by the govt. Not long after we spent 10's of millions it was banned...

Ethanol sinks to the bottom of gasoline once settled. It would be a pain in the ass but a person could use that to their advantage to separate it out from their fuel like how planes have water drains for the tanks and lines.

Ethanol sinks to the bottom of gasoline once settled. It would be a pain in the ass but a person could use that to their advantage to separate it out from their fuel like how planes have water drains for the tanks and lines.

And I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.... EFF that ethanol chit...

Ethanol viability


Ethanol, like hydrogen, requires more energy to produce/make viable than the energy it provides.............

How does that help?????

Land acres for Solar, Wind, Ethanol or food....... pick ONE, there's NOT enough for two......

My truck gets 2mpg less on ethanol. It sucks.

Man are you wrong. Out of 24 plants in Nebraska only 2, Lexington and York have the ability to use milo. 12 milo/corn ethanol and 2 bio diesel plants are located in Kansas.

Most engines are not designed for 15% ethanol. I never put any ethanol in a small engine. Thankfully we have 4 places to buy real gas here.
I had a chevrolet car a few years ago that reliably got 10% lower gas mileage highway driving with E10 vs real gasoline. In that car the ethanol did nothing.

There was a article that ran in a Florida news paper years ago about the ethanol content in our gas.

Seems it not really tested for actual percentage by any regulatory agency.

In the article independent testing was conducted at random fuel stations throughout the state.
It found ethanol percentages were all over the board.

Many tested locations were between 10% to 15%, some as high as 20%, a few exceeded 20%.

Just did a web search for related information and only found one fuel testing company that even mentions ethanol precentages being tested for and they stated 15% to 20% can be commonly found.

Can't find anything defending these high ethanol levels other than requirements for labeling.

Anyone have any good information on this?

How much ethanol is actually in the gas we buy now?

Here's why.....

Ethanol sucks as a fuel..... compared to others available.

Even more suckage here......... https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/facts-and-figures/heat-values-of-various-fuels.aspx

The good news, I suppose, is that methanol IS better than burning wood or coal

My eldest consistently bought the cheapest gasoline at the pump, 10% ethanol!
FINALLY talked the kid into buying the more expensive, 100% gasoline.
Mileage improved!
Performance improved!
Maintenance improved!

$ for $, it's about the same cost.....BUT......you get more miles for the same dollar, PLUS you're not running that ethanol crap, destroying your engine!

I don't run "bio-diesel" if I don't have to. Some places I go, the only thing available is bio-diesel!

This new gas is just terrible.


I wish we could go back in time to when you had to rebuild a carb twice a year to clean gums and varnishes.

Also...wouldn't it be nice to have engines last 50,000 miles again?


This 200 to 250 thousand mile deal is BS!

My daughter brought home some early 60's "Popular Science" magazines from a thrift store the other day. One article I read was about how much effort it took to take a car past 100k miles and what to expect. The author was pleased that his Chevy only used a quart of oil every 500 miles.

Are we still seeing winter gas vs warm weather gas? Is that still a thing? I ask because I've picked up about 1.5mpg since March (similar driving habits). Bumping 22mpg for the last 5 weeks or so, which isn't bad for a 4wd crew-cab F150 (3.5L EcoBoost).

E10 and siblings increase smog in hot weather. Wait for air quality alerts and rules. That fits the overall plan.

I looked up how remove alcohol. Mix a pint of water per gallon, shake up, wait a few hours and either siphon off the top or have a petcock on a tank.

There were also instructions for redistilling the gas AND one guy who was treating pump gas for his airplane. Some if these people just have to be csmpfire members.

How are 'cafe standards' set these days for auto manufacturers?
Pure petrol or E10 petrol?

Bingo. When I bought my 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger it came with all of the original owners repair receipts. A stack to include carburetor rebuilds, valve cover gaskets, intake manifold gaskets, exhaust manifold gasket, rear seal replacement... All within five years.

SHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't tell Dem voters - they hate little things like "facts"...

The forced blending of ethanol in our gasoline has been a pet peeve of mine for decades.

Tucson (Pima county) and Phoenix (Maricopa county) were some of the first cities in the country besides Denver to be forced by law to go to an Oxy-fuel blend.

Denver began this experiment to deal with the temperature inversions and resultant pollution that often occurs in the winter months in cities surrounded by mountains. This was 1987. Pima and Maricopa counties followed the next year. We are only required to blend the fuels from November through March. This is still true today.

(Arizona Daily Star from Tucson, Arizona on June 21, 1987 ·
Page 16http://tucson.newspapers.com › newspage
Sunday, June 21, 1987 21, 1987 iNATION
Denver moves toward mandatory use of high-oxygen fuel DENVER (AP) Requiring motorists to use high-oxygen fuel in the ...

First they tried MTBE but soon found out it would get into the ground water. Then they used "up to 10%" ethanol. That quickly dissolved an assortment of parts in the fuel delivery system. I remember changing fuel filters that became clogged with a black substance most likely the fuel lines. After a while the parts became available that were ethanol resistant.

The intent of using Oxy-fuels was to reduce emissions which in turn might lessen the temperature inversion pollution. The extra oxygen in the blend would combine with the unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust thereby reducing hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide emissions. It worked with older carbureted engines but, as we soon discovered, the 10% blend in the newer vehicles with fuel injection had a reduction in gas mileage.

The reason for the reduced mileage is the oxygen sensor which tells the computer how much oxygen is in the exhaust. Once the engine reaches operating temperature the system goes to closed loop and this information is used by the computer to determine how long to open an injector to maintain the proper air/fuel mix for efficiency power and minimal pollutants. The Oxy fuel causes a higher oxygen level in the exhaust which gets picked up by the oxygen sensor. A higher than normal oxygen level is telling the computer the engine is running too lean! The computer then widens the injector pulse width which makes the mixture richer so the vehicle looses gas mileage. Because it has to burn more fuel per mile it might even add to pollution!

The dummies that adopted this mandatory program never altered it and it is still in place today. It works great on my wife's 65 mustang and my 84 yamaha outboard but does nothing for emissions reduction on modern fuel injected engines.

As for dealing with the separation of the ethanol and gasoline there are many fuel additives that work. Unfortunately it is another cost. I let my boat sit for 9 months with approximately 1/2 tank of 20 gallons. I put two bottles of Yamaha fuel conditioner and have never had an issue with the fuel and the two carburetors in the 115 hp two stroke Yamaha.

I am not looking forward to a mandatory 15% ethanol blend. I am particularly concerned if they mandate its use year round. The volatility of even 10% ethanol could cause vapor lock in hot weather. Guess Tucson and Phoenix will be the proving grounds as we get very hot here. Supposed to get to 110 here this weekend.

Thanks to the other contributors and links. I had no idea corn was not the best product to turn into ethanol. Also the instructional video early in this thread had some interesting topics.

Yep, and for what we're paying for the schitt, it should be pure gas.

Honk for Joey...

Another buck chuck Grassley in the lead, wabbicon do you run soy diesel on your farm??

No Russ, no soy diesel.

Why do you think ethenol is good if you don't use soy diesel

Russ, it's cheaper. You don't want to let it sit around for a long time, that reminds me I need to drain the tiller tractor.

Is this so we can have [bleep] fuel and save 10 cents a gallon on fuel that has gone up 300 cents a gallon or more since FJB became President.

Well said...

I've had no problems in small engines, since I have started running fuel in them I buy at our local airport... which was $6.30 a gallon the last time I purchased 4 or 5 gallons of it...I still had some water in it, as the mower was running like schidt...

so I drained it out of the mower, and mixed in a cap full of ATF, and a little red die diesel in it...

tossed that back into the mower the next day, and had no issues with it then....

in fact the mowers are running much better...

our local Home Depot is sure pushing a lot of electric lawn mowers and gardening equipment tho now...

I bought an electric Chain saw so that my wife and my son can start them..... that certainly has a lot less Ommph to it and even with the spendier battery, doesn't have much of a run cycle before needing charged for a couple of hours...

The Fuggin DemocRats want us all to go to electric power, at the same time the power companies are warning us all on the West Coast to get use to rolling Brown outs and Black outs...

The Government is generating a war against their own citizens, with all this Tree Hugger bullschidt.... and then at the same time, just want to let our forests burn... ' because its natural Man....'

The left wants a civil war in this country, as they have these delusions that they would win it...

but then with a civil war in the USA, The UN would just take over the nation, as they let foreign troops all over the country, take over and control our neighborhoods... then let China just march in and take over what's left...

and democRat politicians think they will just become the social elites in the New World Order....