This is a good read, enjoy.

Some excellent talking points for your liberal friends.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...ices-opinion-on-latest-gun-case-n2609218

That was good,
does anyone think they will grasp his logic ?

Excellent.

He makes a great case for NO gun control at all. As it was clearly stated in the 2nd Amendment.

I find it disturbing that 3 SC Justices would not uphold the Constitution they swore an oath to.

But that's a fuggin' liberal for you.

Good post.

Thanks for posting this .
Great comments by Alito.
Maybe a few libs will understand the logic he explains, but I’ll not hold my breath.

That idiot mayor in NYC probably couldn't understand it.

I sent this to all my friends and family

No, they are not liberals, but it contains some great ammo if one chooses to engage a liberal

Much of the dissent seems designed to obscure the specific question that the Court has decided, and therefore it may be helpful to provide a succinct summary of what wehave actually held. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570 (2008), the Court concluded that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep a handgun in the home for self-defense. Heller found that the Amendment codified a preexisting right and that this right was regarded at the time of the Amendment’s adoption as rooted in “‘the natural right of resistance and self-preservation.’” Id., at 594. “[T]he inherent right of self-defense,” Heller explained, is “central to the Second Amendment right.” Id., at 628. Although Heller concerned the possession of a handgun in the home, the key point that we decided was that “the people,” not just members of the “militia,” have the right to use a firearm to defend themselves. And because many people face a serious risk of lethal violence when they venture outside their homes, the Second Amendment was understood at the time of adoption to apply under those circumstances.

The Court’s exhaustive historical survey establishes that point very clearly, and today’s decision therefore holds that a State may not enforce a law, like New York’s Sullivan Law, that effectively prevents its law-abiding residents from carrying a gun for this purpose. That is all we decide. Our holding decides nothing about who may lawfully possess a firearm or the requirements that must be met to buy a gun. Nor does it decide anything about the kinds of weapons that people may possess. Nor have we disturbed anything that we said in Heller or McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742 (2010), about restrictions that may be imposed on the possession or carrying of guns.

In light of what we have actually held, it is hard to see what legitimate purpose can possibly be served by most of the dissent’s lengthy introductory section. See post, at 1–8 (opinion of BREYER, J.). Why, for example, does the dissent think it is relevant to recount the mass shootings that have occurred in recent years? Post, at 4–5. Does the dissent think that laws like New York’s prevent or deter such atrocities? Will a person bent on carrying out a mass shooting be stopped if he knows that it is illegal to carry a handgun outside the home? And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator. What is the relevance of statistics about the use of guns to commit suicide? See post, at 5–6. Does the dissent think that a lot of people who possess guns in their homes will be stopped or deterred from shooting themselves if they cannot lawfully take them outside? The dissent cites statistics about the use of guns in domestic disputes, see post, at 5, but it does not explain why these statistics are relevant to the question presented in this case. How many of the cases involving the use of a gun in a domestic dispute occur outside the home, and how many are prevented by laws like New York’s?

The dissent cites statistics on children and adolescents killed by guns, see post, at 1, 4, but what does this have to do with the question whether an adult who is licensed to possess a handgun may be prohibited from carrying it outside the home? Our decision, as noted, does not expand the categories of people who may lawfully possess a gun, and federal law generally forbids the possession of a handgun by a person who is under the age of 18, 18 U. S. C. §§922(x)(2)–(5), and bars the sale of a handgun to anyone under the age of 21, §§922(b)(1), (c)(1).1 The dissent cites the large number of guns in private hands—nearly 400 million—but it does not explain what this statistic has to do with the question whether a person who already has the right to keep a gun in the home for self-defense is likely to be deterred from acquiring a gun by the knowledge that the gun cannot be carried outside the home.

And while the dissent seemingly thinks that the ubiquity of guns and our country’s high level of gun violence provide reasons for sustaining the New York law, the dissent appears not to understand that it is these very facts that cause law-abiding citizens to feel the need to carry a gun for self-defense.

No one apparently knows how many of the 400 million privately held guns are in the hands of criminals, but there can be little doubt that many muggers and rapists are armed and are undeterred by the Sullivan Law. Each year, the New York City Police Department (NYPD) confiscates thousands of guns,2 and it is fair to assume that the number of guns seized is a fraction of the total number held unlawfully. The police cannot disarm every person who acquires a gun for use in criminal activity; nor can they provide bodyguard protection for the State’s nearly 20 million residents or the 8.8 million people who live in New York City. Some of these people live in high-crime neighborhoods. Some must traverse dark and dangerous streets in order to reach their homes after work or other evening activities. Some are members of groups whose members feel especially vulnerable. And some of these people reasonably believe that unless they can brandish or, if necessary, use a handgun in the case of attack, they may be murdered, raped, or suffer some other serious injury.

Ordinary citizens frequently use firearms to protect themselves from criminal attack. According to survey data, defensive firearm use occurs up to 2.5 million times per year.

I reiterate: All that we decide in this case is that the Second Amendment protects the right of law-abiding people to carry a gun outside the home for self-defense and that the Sullivan Law, which makes that virtually impossible for most New Yorkers, is unconstitutional.

Spot on.

Liberal agenda is the only thing that matters at all costs, including a persons life.

So how is this going to effect Chicago and other chit holes?

Been saying pretty much all that for years, minus the good grammar and clear writing.

Bottom line is the Left doesn’t care about the Constitution. They don’t want ordinary people to be armed, either don’t want them to be able to defend themselves, or foolishly believe the government can, which is proven wrong every single day. Meanwhile Elites who decry an armed populace, hide behind armed security and walls, as well as use their position and wealth to game the system in order to acquire and carry the same arms they would deny ordinary folks.

It’s pretty clear why most in Government don’t want the citizens to be armed, just as they’d like to be able to limit our freedom of movement. One has only to look at the UK to see where they’d like to take this country, as a start anyway.

Not when it comes to the second amendment. But I think it has more to do with the tendency to have an emotional knee-jerk response to things like school and church shootings.

The mentality is "we've got to do something" but no one wants to break it down logically like Alito did, and stop to think about what would actually work, they're too wrapped around listening to hand-wringing twats like Hogg.

Well, there's two types who want to keep guns out of the hands of ordinary people, and that's one type, but they generally aren't the movers and shakers behind the effort. Those folks (the movers and shakers) want the people disarmed because they intend to do things to them that, were they armed, they'd want to shoot them for. These people play to the concerns of the former type in order to move the nation ever closer to their objective.

Which type do you think is the vast majority?

I often wonder what the US and world would look like if we had maintained strict adherence to the Constitution from day 1 and essentially went despotic freedom and jailed anyone who tried to go against it. Make an unconstitutional law - treason/insurrection and execution?

And which type has money, power, and influence?

You didn't answer my question but I'll answer yours: The voters, i.e., the tyranny of the majority.

Same as where we're getting to with the majority wanting to vote themselves more free schidt.

I've seen more than a few people on FB state that this goes against state rights. I know many are liberal plants, but I do think some are that dumb.

And who molds their minds, via the MSM and the education establishment, to vote the way they do?

But in the next breath they will argue that abortion is a constitutional right.

Do those people think that the Constitution was intended to permit states to establish miniature hereditary monarchies? The correct answer is no, because the Constitution guarantees certain rights to the people which that arrangement would, by its nature, violate. So states rights is a big part of our federal/constitutional system, but it's not without its limits, and those limits are delineated in the Constitution.

If you'd try to avoid the trap of seeing everything that happens as "the elite" foisting their will on the majority, you'd be doing yourself a favor. The majority can see through the bullsh*t, and mid-terms will prove that.

Who molded the minds of the people that elected Trump president?

And who molded the minds of the folks who cheered on his impeachment and ultimate ouster? They are countervailing forces. Some are more subject to manipulation than the rest.

And who molded the minds of the 80+ Million voters that elected a Biden.

"Despotic Freedom"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Not sure why I laughed so hard, your intent is perfectly clear.


Living here in Whiskey Rebellion territory, we probably were better
educated about it than most. The Rebellion was a fight against
government overreach. Picking a particular product and passing
a law impeding the ability of those who produced/used it.

That "mostly peaceful"😉😉protest was put down by armed troops
led by the President.

The man known as The Father of our Country, one known for leading
America to freedom, was acting in a Despotic way then.


Sure as hell wasn't Despotic Freedom.

You know what I mean - we fight "despots and commies" all over the world and give them a death sentence but don't at home - kinda my point.

Alito's masterful explanation falls on deaf ears because leftists do not believe the Constitution is a document that should be followed as it was written and originally understood. They believe that the document should be allowed to "evolve" as the fad of the time would dictate. Their actual belief is more attune to the Marxist view that people are subjects of the state and must be ruled not governed. That is why we must vote out all from both parties that do not actually believe the Constitution as it was written and originally understood.

Zuck bucks molded the mules Fjb rode in on.

Good OP. Indeed, the logic of the dissent was juvenile.

Absolutely.

It was just the combination of those two words.
They paint a clear picture of absolute freedom.
Hard, cold, freedom.


At the same time, it's 2 words not usually seen together.

This thread got me thinking more about The Rebellion.
Reading the Wikki hit, some things stood out as foreshadowing
some current issues.

Our Southern friends would point to a different, more dramatic episode,
But that one is tainted by other complications. The Rebellion could
well serve to provide lessons to today's Americans.

Maybe it has. It seems the goal of many is to spark such a movement,
one that could again allow troops to be moved against Americans.

Computer Programmers.

Do you mean Algorithms?

That would “code” writers, not programmers.

I post this to pose insight into the reasoning ability of the three dissenting Justices. How can it be that we have people in positions of such power over our lives and the nation's future? Their complete failure to remove emotion and their personal politics from their decision process is a prime example of why liberalism is such a threat. They did not logically address the point of the lawsuit and simply ruled along the lines of their bias against guns and freedom.

That the three Justices were voted onto the court in the first place, questions the vetting process of the candidates. Shamefully politics trumps sound reasoning capabilities. These people have a record of their rulings that is not scrutinized to the degree that it would raise alarm of their flawed reasoning abilities. The goal of appointing new Justices to the Court should not be to give advantage to the politics of the President in power, but to install a candidate with superior intellect and reason to uphold the principals set forth in the constitution. I pose that these three Justices demonstrate in their dissenting arguments that the do not meet the requirements the position requires.

Justice Alito's exposure of flawed reasoning should be mandatory teaching in every law class in the Land. The Bar Exam should question that the applicant possesses this ability.

Thanks for posting that link Steve.