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Posted By: EdM The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Industry, States Argue on Appeal for Oil and Gas Lease Sale

Oil and gas companies and 15 states have made their arguments for an appeals court to overturn a federal court ruling so that an oil and gas lease sale for tracts in the US Gulf of Mexico can be completed.

The case, in the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, stems from a federal district court decision Jan. 27 that not only required more environmental analysis for lease sale 257 but vacated the sale, which was held in November (OGJ Online, Jan. 28, 2022).

The district court judge ordered that the Interior Department come up with an additional set of calculations to estimate the impact on global greenhouse gas emissions if the lease sale were not held at all, calculations the judge said were needed to satisfy the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA).

In its brief filed June 13 at the appeals court, the American Petroleum Institute (API) cited cases in which the appeals court ruled that no such “speculative” estimate was needed or of any use for a lease sale, and that even if the court insisted on such a calculation, it could be done on remand without vacating the sale.

“The district court upended longstanding precedent holding that the National Environmental Policy Act does not require such speculative assessments at the lease-sale stage,” API said. “It compounded this error by refusing to remand without vacatur.”

The trade group pointed out that Interior can make such calculations when companies submit an exploration plan and when they submit a development and production plan. And at any of those stages Interior can reject the plan or require changes to protect human health and the environment.

Harmful impacts described.

The case is Friends of the Earth v. Haaland. The state of Louisiana filed its own appeal brief on the same day as API, and then other parties filed their supporting briefs June 13. Weighing in were Chevron Corp., BP Exploration and Production Inc., Shell Offshore Inc., the National Ocean Industries Association (NOIA), the EnerGeo trade group of geophysical contractors, 14 states filing jointly, and the US Chamber of Commerce.

The Biden administration, which lost the case in the district court, chose not to appeal.

NOIA and EnerGeo, filing jointly, stressed precedents as API did. Both groups have members with long experience working in the waters off the outer continental shelf (OCS).

“No prior court has ever vacated an OCS lease sale, for good reasons now exhibited here,” NOIA and EnerGeo said. “The district court unraveled years of detailed analyses and substantial investments made in preparation for the sale.”

The two groups explained how geological and geophysical contracting generates valuable data that can be licensed at more than $1 million per license in support of confidential bids. The bidding strategies become public only after winners are determined. But the district court, by vacating the sale after the bid results were announced, has effectively given away confidential strategy information.

Chevron was the high bidder for 34 tracts in the contested lease sale. If a new sale must be held, the company said in its own brief, it will be deprived of the competitive bidding confidentiality required under the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act.

“Chevron’s competitors, in other words, have an anticompetitive advantage,” the company said.

No fix in sight.

The DC Circuit has repeatedly held that if a federal agency commits an isolated error, the action should be remanded without vacatur for a simple fix, NOIA and EnerGeo said. They listed a string of decisions by the DC Circuit in support of their contention.

They also noted that the current 5-year program for lease sales in the federal offshore will end June 30, making it late for Interior’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) to arrange a new sale.

“Though the district court expressed blind optimism that BOEM could quickly cure its [alleged] NEPA violation, BOEM predictably has not done so in the several ensuing months given the district court’s vacatur,” the two groups said. “Moreover, BOEM has canceled all other lease sales under its current 5-year leasing program.”

NEPA ‘weaponized’
Louisiana in its brief cited not only previous cases by the DC Circuit in support of appellants’ position but said the district court judge essentially botched his own precedent citations. Judge Rudoph Contreras cited two cases that actually were final-stage actions not lease-stage actions, Louisiana said.

In a joint filing led by Montana, 14 states used the occasion for an aggressive criticism of what environmental activists and courts have done under NEPA.

“Litigants—and courts, for that matter—have weaponized the National Environmental Policy Act,” the states said.

The states quoted Columbia University scholar David Hill as saying, “The entire original purpose of doing NEPA analysis has been lost along the way to creating mountains of data and information in the hopes of successfully defending against inevitable litigation.”

The states added that “NEPA challenges have produced a system in which courts consistently tell agencies their analyses fall short,” and as in this case, “NEPA’s goalposts move further back a little more each time.”

The environmental advocacy groups led by Friends of the Earth are not scheduled to file their responding briefs until Aug. 26, after which replies can be filed in September and October, making it very unlikely a decision will be rendered before November at the earliest.

https://www.ogj.com/general-interes...gue-on-appeal-for-oil-and-gas-lease-sale
Posted By: ldholton Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
You seem like an all right guy on here but if you're trying to make excuses for this fuel explosion on prices just stop please as a consumer that uses a lot of fuel in both the agricultural and industrial business as excavator when my fuel bill within a 6-month period went up $60,000 there is no excuse for this.
Originally Posted by ldholton
You seem like an all right guy on here but if you're trying to make excuses for this fuel explosion on prices just stop please as a consumer that uses a lot of fuel in both the agricultural and industrial business as excavator when my fuel bill within a 6-month period went up $60,000 there is no excuse for this.

Amen!

Just because the oil and gas companies are perhaps not the root cause of the current ridiculous price of fuel does NOT make them victims…..we’re still the ultimate victim. They might be the direct recipient of repercussions from Beijing Biden’s abortive economic policy but WE are the ones that PAY for it.
Posted By: EdM Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Either of you know what O&G companies capital spend is from the "huge" profits each year? Take a peak...
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Running about 4.7% profit margin last I heard. On billions of dollars in sales that adds up tho.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
It makes a big difference what side of the counter you are on.
Posted By: Raeford Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Look at this from a CEO/CFO's PoV, would anyone here be willing to have major capitol outlay for exploration or refining capabilities in the current [political]environ?
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by ldholton
You seem like an all right guy on here but if you're trying to make excuses for this fuel explosion on prices just stop please as a consumer that uses a lot of fuel in both the agricultural and industrial business as excavator when my fuel bill within a 6-month period went up $60,000 there is no excuse for this.

There’s a very good “excuse “ for it and it’s not business related.

It’s political policy related.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by wabigoon
It makes a big difference what side of the counter you are on.

It makes a bigger difference of who and what sits in the Oval Office.
Posted By: Dillonbuck Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Some posters remind me of the Ăssholes who come into the
station where my wife works and get nasty with her people over
gas prices.

If you want to bitch, if you want to fight, try finding the people who
you have a fight with.


Hint

It ain't the anyone in retail.
It isn't the station owners, most likely.
The problems we now have aren't with Big Oil.

If you put your efforts on Big Oil, take an ice cream for Brandon.
He is trying to deflect your anger to them.
Be smarter than that!





PS. 1st time I ever sided with EdM on rising gas prices.
I'll never forget his frequent posts crowing about how much money
he was making from it. Forgetting that the vast majority of us were
paying the price.

Different time, different situation.
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
So maybe attacking the domestic energy industry and blocking expansion through senseless regulations and legal roadblocks wasn't such a good idea after all. Definitely Big Meat and Putin is to blame for all this.

No one should be surprised by our current Inflation and Energy cost spikes. This is a manmade disaster and that man is Biden.
Posted By: RiverRider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
The consequences for restricting the production of a commodity are just not all that difficult to predict.
Posted By: centershot Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by ldholton
You seem like an all right guy on here but if you're trying to make excuses for this fuel explosion on prices just stop please as a consumer that uses a lot of fuel in both the agricultural and industrial business as excavator when my fuel bill within a 6-month period went up $60,000 there is no excuse for this.

There’s a very good “excuse “ for it and it’s not business related.

It’s political policy related.

Not so much an excuse but a reason. FJB
Posted By: Esox357 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
This was planned by .gov to limit our production in U.S. to raise cost of gas passed to the consumers. Meanwhile .gov is offering to sell our gas to Europe but not us. Fug them.
Posted By: TimZ Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Everytime Joe tries to blame it all on the oil coys he neglects to mention how much harder his administration has made it for them to do business.........
Posted By: EdM Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
HOUSTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) on Wednesday set annual capital spending through 2027 at $20 billion to $25 billion, allocating money to low-carbon projects and extending its previously projected investment rate for two years.

The top U.S. energy producer slashed costs after a historic $22.4 billion loss last year. But an oil-price rebound this year has generated strong profits that let Exxon pay down debt, maintain its dividend and fund a new low-carbon business. The budgets extend a plan Exxon set to spend about $16 billion this year and thereafter increase outlays to between $20 billion and $25 billion to 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...lion-25-billion-through-2027-2021-12-01/
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
one of the keys to saving America seems to be to strip the courts from the legislative power they have been given.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
one of the keys to saving America seems to be to strip the courts from the legislative power they have been given.

Ain’t it so !
Posted By: navlav8r Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
The SOB told us what he was going to do with the fossil fuel industry during his campaign. Even the twinks and snowflakes shouldn’t be surprised 🤬
Originally Posted by navlav8r
The SOB told us what he was going to do with the fossil fuel industry during his campaign. Even the twinks and snowflakes shouldn’t be surprised 🤬
How soon they have forgotten this. They are forcing the green new deal on us. Hasbeen
Posted By: ribka Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by EdM
HOUSTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) on Wednesday set annual capital spending through 2027 at $20 billion to $25 billion, allocating money to low-carbon projects and extending its previously projected investment rate for two years.

The top U.S. energy producer slashed costs after a historic $22.4 billion loss last year. But an oil-price rebound this year has generated strong profits that let Exxon pay down debt, maintain its dividend and fund a new low-carbon business. The budgets extend a plan Exxon set to spend about $16 billion this year and thereafter increase outlays to between $20 billion and $25 billion to 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...lion-25-billion-through-2027-2021-12-01/

wasting your time Ed. Was everyone complaining when oil was MINUS 28 dollars a barrel?


Any idea how much the Russia sanctions by Biden and the Eu on Russian energy has affected world wide prices?

Remember monetary easing?When you print up trillions of dollars in a few years and that causing rising prices on everything?
Posted By: Distridr Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by RiverRider
The consequences for restricting the production of a commodity are just not all that difficult to predict.

Right up there with and closely related to the consequences of electing (or allowing to be installed) a dipshit for a President.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Some posters remind me of the Ăssholes who come into the
station where my wife works and get nasty with her people over
gas prices.

If you want to bitch, if you want to fight, try finding the people who
you have a fight with.


Hint

It ain't the anyone in retail.
It isn't the station owners, most likely.
The problems we now have aren't with Big Oil.

If you put your efforts on Big Oil, take an ice cream for Brandon.
He is trying to deflect your anger to them.
Be smarter than that!

.

Amen from the back row.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
Originally Posted by EdM
HOUSTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) on Wednesday set annual capital spending through 2027 at $20 billion to $25 billion, allocating money to low-carbon projects and extending its previously projected investment rate for two years.

The top U.S. energy producer slashed costs after a historic $22.4 billion loss last year. But an oil-price rebound this year has generated strong profits that let Exxon pay down debt, maintain its dividend and fund a new low-carbon business. The budgets extend a plan Exxon set to spend about $16 billion this year and thereafter increase outlays to between $20 billion and $25 billion to 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...lion-25-billion-through-2027-2021-12-01/


Facts are a hard pill for some to swallow EdM.
Posted By: MadMooner Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/24/22
The ebb and flow.

Kinda glad gas prices spiked. Hopefully it slows down the truck market. I need a new truck and schit has gotten crazy!
Posted By: BWalker Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by EdM
HOUSTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) on Wednesday set annual capital spending through 2027 at $20 billion to $25 billion, allocating money to low-carbon projects and extending its previously projected investment rate for two years.

The top U.S. energy producer slashed costs after a historic $22.4 billion loss last year. But an oil-price rebound this year has generated strong profits that let Exxon pay down debt, maintain its dividend and fund a new low-carbon business. The budgets extend a plan Exxon set to spend about $16 billion this year and thereafter increase outlays to between $20 billion and $25 billion to 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...lion-25-billion-through-2027-2021-12-01/


Facts are a hard pill for some to swallow EdM.
Not to pile on, but no one was complaining pre 2020 when oil companies where going bankrupt left and right.
I work in refining and our refinery alone lost 100 million in 2020.
People can't wrap their minds around how expensive exploration, production and refining actually are and as a result oil company margins are not that great.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Ed, just for the sake of conversation on the topic.

How critical to the industry is that lease mentioned in your OP?

How much overall effect will it have on production should it even pan out?

How many already leased/explored, and even previously producing, areas are now "mothballed" (for lack of a better term) that could be brought back into production quickly and that would actually provide more immediate benefit to the American consumer in particular and the O&G industry in general?

I ask you because even though I could likely search industry/.gov sources to find the answers it would take me much longer than I have any interest in doing so today.

As they say, ask an expert.

Thanks in advance.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Originally Posted by BWalker
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by EdM
HOUSTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) on Wednesday set annual capital spending through 2027 at $20 billion to $25 billion, allocating money to low-carbon projects and extending its previously projected investment rate for two years.

The top U.S. energy producer slashed costs after a historic $22.4 billion loss last year. But an oil-price rebound this year has generated strong profits that let Exxon pay down debt, maintain its dividend and fund a new low-carbon business. The budgets extend a plan Exxon set to spend about $16 billion this year and thereafter increase outlays to between $20 billion and $25 billion to 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/...lion-25-billion-through-2027-2021-12-01/


Facts are a hard pill for some to swallow EdM.
Not to pile on, but no one was complaining pre 2020 when oil companies where going bankrupt left and right.
I work in refining and our refinery alone lost 100 million in 2020.
People can't wrap their minds around how expensive exploration, production and refining actually are and as a result oil company margins are not that great.

Right on BWalker.
Posted By: BLG Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Saw something on Fox Business a few weeks ago, that basically said EXISTING refineries are running at 95%. They can't do much more. Might not be so much of an oil supply thing as so many refineries have been shut down or converted to something for bio fuels. I know the Shell Norco facility is not running fuel at all right now. The only one close to my local is Murphy, and they are running balls to the wall.


Clyde
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Originally Posted by BLG
Saw something on Fox Business a few weeks ago, that basically said EXISTING refineries are running at 95%. They can't do much more. Might not be so much of an oil supply thing as so many refineries have been shut down or converted to something for bio fuels. I know the Shell Norco facility is not running fuel at all right now. The only one close to my local is Murphy, and they are running balls to the wall.


Clyde

I believe that Shell is in the process of revamping and restarting the refinery they shuttered at Convent.

For bio-fuels maybe.
I’m afraid we are going to lose our refining capabilities. New refineries can be built where there are less restrictions.
I was told once , it’s just as cheap to ship gasoline in as crude. With OSHA, union and environmental problems, I think new refineries will be built outside the US. More jobs shipped overseas. Hasbeen
Posted By: wabigoon Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
I recall a Thomas Edison quote, Most people don't recognize opportunity, because it comes around wearing overalls, looking like hard work.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Here is the latest EIA data that comes out every Wednesday. Lot's of info here including refinery run rates. It's common practice for refineries to have "turnaraounds" and "shutdowns" for maintenance, etc, as they are regularly scheduled. People need to disregard anything Old Toot has to say about this and any other subject for that matter.

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Posted By: ribka Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Here is the latest EIA data that comes out every Wednesday. Lot's of info here including refinery run rates. It's common practice for refineries to have "turnaraounds" and "shutdowns" for maintenance, etc, as they are regularly scheduled. People need to disregard anything Old Toot has to say about this and any other subject for that matter.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Thanks JG. Interesting

Is this available too online

I see coal and oil making a strong comeback the past few days
Posted By: JGRaider Re: The Cost of Oil and Gas - 06/27/22
It very well may be ribka, I'm not sure. We have a subscription to the DTN network which is where this comes from.
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