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Posted By: Dixie_Dude Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Does or has anyone here used one of those "fat tire" electric bicycles for hunting? I have arthritis, among other things, and I was thinking of getting one. Kind of expensive, but you can't use a 4 wheeler on most national forest lands. You can use a horse or bicycle. They make a deer hauler trailer for them also. Just wondering.
Posted By: tndrbstr Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Wouldn’t an electric bicycle fall under a motorized vehicle classification? Most of the gated roads on the nation forest here in TN say no motorized vehicles allowed.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
The FS does allow them in most places. They came up with a classification plan that puts them in Class 1, 2, or 3 and they aren't called motor vehicles. That's all I know about it, though. I don't know what those classes mean.
Posted By: cra1948 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
My brother has one, but found he couldn’t manage it with one hand (lost use of his left arm in the last polio epidemic.) He wanted me to try it out last time I was north but I didn’t. I’ve seen a few on the beaches, ridden by geezers so can’t be too hard to manage.
Posted By: AJ300MAG Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Wouldn’t an electric bicycle fall under a motorized vehicle classification? Most of the gated roads on the nation forest here in TN say no motorized vehicles allowed.
A lot of states classify e-bikes with a 750 watt motor or less as a regular bike. Friend of mine has used his fat tire bike in CO for elk hunting riding on forest trails without any issues.
Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
I'd rent one first.
For some reason people tend to crash hard while learning to control them, suppose they are not for everyone?

Neighbor has one of these.

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Since you can't legally go around locked FS gates the extra width shouldn't be an issue. Might keep ya from advancing from arthritis to a broken hip or shoulder.

Not my cup of tea, I think the E-bikes and trikes are all gay.

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Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Wouldn’t an electric bicycle fall under a motorized vehicle classification? Most of the gated roads on the nation forest here in TN say no motorized vehicles allowed.
A lot of states classify e-bikes with a 750 watt motor or less as a regular bike. Friend of mine has used his fat tire bike in CO for elk hunting riding on forrest trails without any issues.

That's grand for State lands, not Federal.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The FS does allow them in most places. They came up with a classification plan that puts them in Class 1, 2, or 3 and they aren't called motor vehicles. That's all I know about it, though. I don't know what those classes mean.

Most of the restrictions that I am aware of restrct ebikes to class 1 only.

https://www.heybike.com/blogs/heybi...pNEbJmMQZsVMdla0wdv-P4NKFEhoCOPUQAvD_BwE

Different EBike Classes Explained
E-Bike Class 1
The class 1 e-bike is a pedal-assisted bike. The bike's motor will support you till 20 mph. Then, the motor will automatically cut its power. A pedal-assisted e-bike means you have to pedal your bike to activate the motor. The throttle won't work separately.

E-Bike Class 2
A class 2 e-bike is a throttle-assisted bike. But, the throttle will support only 20 mph top speed. A class 2 e-bike has a separate throttle control. So, you don't have to pedal your bike to activate the motor. Just twist the throttle and your e-bike will run fully on the motor.

E-Bike Class 3
Class 3 e-bikes can be called really speedy. These bikes can reach 28 mph speed. But, it's a pedal-assisted bike. Therefore, to activate the throttle, you have to pedal your bike.
Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by JeffA
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.

Where can I ride now?

The National Park Service (NPS) final rule issued in December 2020 generally states that e-bikes may go where traditional bicycles are allowed. However, superintendents at each park must give explicit direction to “limit or restrict” access for e-bikes, where they deem appropriate. There’s no blanket allowance, says Morgan Lommele, director of state and local policy for People for Bikes, an industry group that advocates for e-bikes.

So, e-bike rules for different parks may appear over time on a park-by-park basis. Before you visit, check a park’s website to find out which trails are accessible to e-bikes. (Use this park locater to plan your visit).

Redwood National Park in California, for example, allows e-bikes on most “hike/bike” trails, except four that cross into state park boundaries. In Utah’s Zion National Park, only Class 1 e-bikes are allowed where traditional bicycles are. Meanwhile, you can ride your e-bike (or bike) only in certain areas of Grand Canyon National Park. And in Yosemite National Park, e-bikes are also allowed where bicycles are allowed. However, mountain biking—and thus electric mountain biking (eMTB) on dirt trails—is not permitted in Yosemite.

https://www.rei.com/blog/cycle/ride-e-bike-federal-lands
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
https://www.fs.usda.gov/visit/e-bikes


Where are e-bikes currently allowed on national forests and grasslands?
Class 1, 2, and 3 e-bikes are allowed on motorized trails and roads on national forests and grasslands. Additionally, several year-round resorts operating under a special use permit have established e-bike use within their permit boundary.

Local Forest Service officials may consider new opportunities for e-bike use on non-motorized trails and in non-motorized areas by utilizing a designation process in accordance with the Travel Management Rule (36 CFR Part 212, Subpart B). Designations involve appropriate environmental analysis, public involvement, and local decision-making.
Posted By: granitestate1 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
I have one and love it I built it myself It has a front wheel motor and a rear one with two batteries and two controlers, the right one is like a motorcycle throttle and controls the rear and the left throttle is like an ATV style thumb throttle. I mostly use the rear motor and use the front when I need a burst of power IE: taking off or a hill ect, I like that they can be used together or separately it is good insurance when you are miles in the middle of nowhere. I use one of those doggy carriers that bolts to the bike to haul my hunting gear, with twin 48 volt motors 1250 watts each this rig really hauls. I put a 60 tooth front sprocket and can hit 50 MPH with about 30 mile range I could get 40 plus but I am way to aggressive on the throttle, hey I can't help myself it's a blast.

PS: When the batteries ars fully charged they top off at 56 volts so that brings it to a total of 3000 watts total.

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Posted By: Windfall Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
The neighbor up north has a 750 watt one and he seems to like it well enough for riding the trails and forest roads. He did say that he cut the handle bars down which made it harder to steer, but more maneuverable in the woods, so it must work well enough to take it for dry off road putting around. His brother has the larger 1,000 watt e-bike and that has more range and enough power to pull his trailer. Being one wheel drive, I suspect that you would have the same traction issues as my Honda CT110 once you get into soft or slippery areas. Even with a knobby tire it will sink and dig in. It is a comfort to have a legal licence and enough speed for county hard surfaced and dirt roads. The quiet aspect of an e-bike would be better for hunting. I saw more deer when I walked into my hunting area than when I took my Rokon.
Posted By: granitestate1 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
This looks like the one I have with a few changes they must have updated it and is rated for 100 pounds.

https://www.amazon.com/Klarfit-Husk...652-2893558?pd_rd_i=B08ZJMPG7Q&psc=1
Posted By: Angus1895 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
I love mine. It’s so fun!


My advice suggestions are.
Front shocks
Step thru frame. Like a girls bike
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The FS does allow them in most places. They came up with a classification plan that puts them in Class 1, 2, or 3 and they aren't called motor vehicles. That's all I know about it, though. I don't know what those classes mean.
I was in error on the Nat Forest. However, I also read this about other federal lands:

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The US Forest Service still categorizes an e-MTB as “motorized” and prohibits its usage on non-motorized trails. However, a recent change (Aug. 2019) allowed e-MTB on all other federal lands in any places where standard bicycles are permitted. Meanwhile, the Idaho Department of Parks and Recreation does not have an official policy regarding e-bikes, and local jurisdictions may have different regulations for e-bikes on their trails.
While this might not help the OP, here in ID we have huge chunks of BLM land. Most of it allows motorized travel on trails but there are some areas only open to bicycles.
Posted By: SAM50 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Unless the law recently changed, they can’t be used on state game lands in PA.
Posted By: ribka Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by granitestate1
This looks like the one I have with a few changes they must have updated it and is rated for 100 pounds.

https://www.amazon.com/Klarfit-Husk...652-2893558?pd_rd_i=B08ZJMPG7Q&psc=1

Those are pretty much worthless on trails and FS roads. Better to go with a dedicated e bike off road hunting trailer
Posted By: Judman Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Pards boy just bought one, took it for a spin behind a gate the other day, second trip, caught on fire. I’ll find out what brand, it was like $2000 so not one of the more spendy bikes
Posted By: granitestate1 Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
"Those are pretty much worthless on trails and FS roads. Better to go with a dedicated e bike off road hunting trailer"



It works just fine for me here in the Florida flat lands.
Posted By: Judman Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
The above mentioned bike was a “zugo “ bike
Posted By: ribka Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by granitestate1
"Those are pretty much worthless on trails and FS roads. Better to go with a dedicated e bike off road hunting trailer"



It works just fine for me here in the Florida flat lands.

A single wheel trailer works much better. I tried a trailer like the one you mention up here on rocky steeper Mountain trails and FS roads and it basically shook apart. Worthless in real world hunting conditions. They work fine on flat paved ground in urban areas
Posted By: ribka Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
and get full suspension and a step through design
Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by JeffA
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.

Where can I ride now?

Awesome, YOU can ride a gay ebike in gay California's gay Yosemite Park, perfect match, definitely a clue.

E bikes are gay...


Montana State E-Bike Rules

Biblical E-Bike Rules
Posted By: shrapnel Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by JeffA
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.

Not true, BLM allows them on trails closed to Motorized use...
Posted By: DMc Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Had a peddle assist e-bike and loved it. Lived in a neighborhood crowded with kids. Group rides were an everyday occurrence. Grandson took it to another level and won several citywide bike races. Great times.

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Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by JeffA
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.

Not true, BLM allows them on trails closed to Motorized use...

Sorry, there must be spiffs to having your own personalized gay card I'll never experience.

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Posted By: shrapnel Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by JeffA
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by JeffA
All E-Bikes are restricted to use on trails and roads opened to motorized vehicles only on Federal lands.

No free pass to non-motorized trails and roads.

Not true, BLM allows them on trails closed to Motorized use...

Sorry, there must be spiffs to having your own personalized gay card I'll never experience.

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Being wrong really agrees with you...
Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Origin of conversation

Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Wouldn’t an electric bicycle fall under a motorized vehicle classification? Most of the gated roads on the nation forest here in TN say no motorized vehicles allowed.
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Yosemite Park and BLM lands are irrelevant.
Especially Yosemite Park...Who gives a flying fu ck about Yosemite Park, the OP wants to hunt.
Posted By: shrapnel Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Originally Posted by JeffA
Origin of conversation

Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Wouldn’t an electric bicycle fall under a motorized vehicle classification? Most of the gated roads on the nation forest here in TN say no motorized vehicles allowed.
.
Yosemite Park and BLM lands are irrelevant.
Especially Yosemite Park...Who gives a flying fu ck about Yosemite Park, the OP wants to hunt.


You said nothing of Tennessee or Yosemite in your post.

You still looking for that fly?







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Posted By: JeffA Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
Exactly,

National Forest Lands and gated roads....


Posted By: AKCHOPPER Re: Electric Bicycles - 07/14/22
I see nothing gay about them.
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