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Posted By: Geno67 New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
World Economic Forum article lays it out about as clearly as it could be – You don’t need to own an automobile, you just need to be able to use one owned by somebody else. Check it out:

“Be honest, you likely have at least one old mobile phone tucked in the bottom of a drawer. Possibly an unused hard drive taking up space too. You aren’t alone. The average car or van in England is driven just 4 percent of the time. While most already have a personal phone, 39% of workers globally have employer-provided laptops and mobile phones.

“This is not at all resource efficient. More sharing can reduce ownership of idle equipment and thus material usage. Car sharing platforms such as Getaround and BlueSG have already seized that opportunity to offer vehicles where you pay per hour used.

“To enable a broader transition from ownership to usership, the way we design things and systems need to change too. For example, car sharing is made possible by new keyless unlocking features. Similarly, user profiles that create a distinction for work and personal use on the same device is needed to reduce the number of devices per person. A design process that focuses on fulfilling the underlying need instead of designing for product purchasing is fundamental to this transition. This is the mindset needed to redesign cities to reduce private vehicles and other usages.”

Ridiculous.
So...when can we start using the limos and planes owned by the WEF high mucketymucks?
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.
There was this guy that used to be on my[car] radio nearly every afternoon that regularly discussed this very thing.
He could clearly see where we were heading.

How .gov/NWO etc didn't want YOU to have the freedoms and individualism's that automobiles allow.

Can't remember his name at the moment....... wink
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
That would be a great way to keep people in the city, especially during a disaster or evacuation.
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".
Posted By: KFWA Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
I think its a major concern for automobile makers in the future.

why would you want to own a car when there is an autonomous automobile fleet out there, you type in an address on your phone and a car shows up a few minutes later to take you wherever you want to go. It automatically chooses the most efficient route. You can scroll tinder or sports or whatever on your phone and not even pay attention until it gets you to your destination.

like the article says, our automobiles sit 95% of the time but we pay for them 100% of the time. In reality, a small number of cars could serve a very large community.


its a world that is foreign to us now but its coming.
Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.
I my town there are already little stand up electric scooters all over the place. None of the citizenry owns them. As I understand it, You grab one anywhere you find it and just leave it where ever you get done with it. The cost will be on your next bank statement automatically.
I think we are farther into the abyss then any of us realize.
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?
Apparently they don't like the rocket pods and minigun hood mount on my truck?
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Apparently they don't like the rocket pods and minigun hood mount on my truck?



Do you rent it out?
After gettin stuck in panama city when a bud got tossed in jail and his car impounded.

Swore I’d never be without wheels again.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?
Seriously? What variables does the .gov not control in one form or another?
Stupid asses think everyone lives and work in town ... They don't realize the grocery store doesn't restock itself these ignorant f****** need to die
Originally Posted by ldholton
Stupid asses think everyone lives and work in town ... They don't realize the grocery store doesn't restock itself these ignorant f****** need to die

LOL, you can in fact still buy and own a car or truck.
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?
Seriously? What variables does the .gov not control in one form or another?


Great non-answer.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ldholton
Stupid asses think everyone lives and work in town ... They don't realize the grocery store doesn't restock itself these ignorant f****** need to die

LOL, you can in fact still buy and own a car or truck.

For now.
Originally Posted by KFWA
like the article says, our automobiles sit 95% of the time but we pay for them 100% of the time. In reality, a small number of cars could serve a very large community.

For those who drive their vehicles 5% of the time, they also last 20 times longer than ride-share vehicles driven 100% of the time. Many in this country value freedom a lot. And there's nothing that says freedom as simply as me being able to get into my own vehicle anytime I want and go wherever I want.
You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?
Living here in the sticks, will there be a couple functional rifles and ammo therein when we're ready for a camping trip?

I also assume I'll not be responsible for repairs/tires/maintenance.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?
Seriously? What variables does the .gov not control in one form or another?


Great non-answer.
Ok, what would it take for the .gov to implement enough bs hoops and price inhibitive regulations to get you to reconsider your desire/need/ financial feasibility to own and operate a private vehicle? Or do you think that’s too far fetched?
I think realistically a lot of people are going to be facing that "choice" in the not so distant future.
Originally Posted by smokepole
You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?
You still don’t get it do you?
Posted By: Tyrone Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by smokepole
You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?
The big money is made in disruption, not mature industry.
I remember back 30 years or so ago when I was a kid and I had a go-cart.

It was some sort illegal act or road faux pas to ride it on city streets.

I grew up in a series of trailer parks and subdivisions. Dah-Dah was in the army, we didnt have 12,000 acres or a Little Debbie truck parked outside.

So anyway, I enjoyed no freedoms to ride my machine with risk of govt confiscation and penalties.

But ya know…now a days….I see fatfoucks and little punk kids with jiggly man titties bouncing up and down and hauling ASSSSSSS up and down state and county roads with no jack booted harrassment. “I gots me little orange thingie ons de back, Im untouchable “ whut in the fuuuuck.

A lot of us pioneers has to take the brunt of punishments, attacks by Indians and Karens and now it
/ easy and no big deal for fleshy fat foucks in their 31,000$ kubota four seater crew cab to run up to the market for Cünt Brothers pizza and Sonoma $3 ciggs.

They should get chased through fields and construction sites and dry creek beds by Deputy Cleatus like I had to put up with. Hide in the woods for 2 hours till fatfouck deputy got hungry and left. Some easy livin for these mfers today.
The OP article misses something. It says that cars are only being driven 4% of the time. That's probably true, but it ignores the 8 hours that it's sitting in a company parking lot while you're working. It's not on the road but it is in use as your work transportation. To return it to your home for another driver to use would require another driver. It will also double the miles driven because someone will have to drive it back to your work 8 hours later.
What they're looking at is public transportation, taxis and buses. Suburbia has killed off buses in this country. It would take a huge number of buses and new bus stops to service our suburbs enough to get people to use it. In a city with houses or apartments in close contact, it can and does work but most Americans don't live crowded together like that.
Posted By: KFWA Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by KFWA
like the article says, our automobiles sit 95% of the time but we pay for them 100% of the time. In reality, a small number of cars could serve a very large community.

For those who drive their vehicles 5% of the time, they also last 20 times longer than ride-share vehicles driven 100% of the time. Many in this country value freedom a lot. And there's nothing that says freedom as simply as me being able to get into my own vehicle anytime I want and go wherever I want.


I don't see any reason for ownership to go away. Towing a boat, trailer or camper is going to be a need for some. I'd hate to give up my truck for towing and carrying. Some people will need a car for their own business. But the difference in how long they last is you won't pay for a ride share vehicle, or the insurance on it or the maintenance. That will of course be covered in the fee when you use it, but for some people, that is going to be a much lower cost of ownership. Also, the reasons why you'd want to leave may change as well. Amazon or Wal Mart having drones deliver whatever you want within a few hours of ordering it, your local grocery or restaurant bringing stuff to your home. The need for "going out" may change quite a bit.
Posted By: JoeBob Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
It isn’t a “concern” for auto manufacturers. It’s a future business model. Instead of making and selling 100 cars through dealers and all that they’ll make 20 cars and run their own ride sharing businesses. Instead of having dealers and all that rigamarole, they’ll do away with all the middlemen and the costs. Instead of having cars that are bought and eventually paid for, they’ll make cheap econo boxes for which the payments are never ending. You, instead of paying $700 a month for a car you own and can eventually pay out, will pay $500 a month in perpetuity directly to Ford, GM, or Toyota for the privilege of sharing one of those other cars with half the town. And of course, you’ll not have much choice because the only cars available to private individuals will cost $500k.

That way, we reduce the congestion and pollution while still allowing the rich to enjoy their convenience and freedom. You proles will have adjust your lifestyles accordingly.
I wouldn't want to share a car with somebody I've seen some of you f****** drive...
Posted By: KFWA Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by slumlord
I remember back 30 years or so ago when I was a kid and I had a go-cart.

It was some sort illegal act or road faux pas to ride it on city streets.

I grew up in a series of trailer parks and subdivisions. Dah-Dah was in the army, we didnt have 12,000 acres or a Little Debbie truck parked outside.

So anyway, I enjoyed no freedoms to ride my machine with risk of govt confiscation and penalties.

But ya know…now a days….I see fatfoucks and little punk kids with jiggly man titties bouncing up and down and hauling ASSSSSSS up and down state and county roads with no jack booted harrassment. “I gots me little orange thingie ons de back, Im untouchable “ whut in the fuuuuck.

A lot of us pioneers has to take the brunt of punishments, attacks by Indians and Karens and now it
/ easy and no big deal for fleshy fat foucks in their 31,000$ kubota four seater crew cab to run up to the market for Cünt Brothers pizza and Sonoma $3 ciggs.

They should get chased through fields and construction sites and dry creek beds by Deputy Cleatus like I had to put up with. Hide in the woods for 2 hours till fatfouck deputy got hungry and left. Some easy livin for these mfers today.

as a kid I used to ride all over the county on my Honda XL. Never really feared too much from the police but one time I was at an intersection and a local sheriff had died and I was unlucky enough to be facing his funeral procession coming at me with probably 8 police cars in tow. I pulled off on the side of the road and took my hat off as a sign of respect. I was sure I was going to get something from that. They just let me do my thing. I have been known to cu thru a soybean field or two to avoid a state trooper coming down the road though.
Posted By: KFWA Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by JoeBob
It isn’t a “concern” for auto manufacturers. It’s a future business model. Instead of making and selling 100 cars through dealers and all that they’ll make 20 cars and run their own ride sharing businesses. Instead of having dealers and all that rigamarole, they’ll do away with all the middlemen and the costs. Instead of having cars that are bought and eventually paid for, they’ll make cheap econo boxes for which the payments are never ending. You, instead of paying $700 a month for a car you own and can eventually pay out, will pay $500 a month in perpetuity directly to Ford, GM, or Toyota for the privilege of sharing one of those other cars with half the town. And of course, you’ll not have much choice because the only cars available to private individuals will cost $500k.

That way, we reduce the congestion and pollution while still allowing the rich to enjoy their convenience and freedom. You proles will have adjust your lifestyles accordingly.


that may happen but I can tell you its a huge concern for them now and its reflected in how we do business with them. Ride sharing and autonomous automobiles, especially technology driven from companies other than the big 3, has the big 3 concerned about where they invest. I think they have a better handle on it now than they did a couple of years ago but their spending approach was very bearish just before covid.
Originally Posted by Beoceorl
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.
BOOM!
I thought it was a slight anomaly that a random old lady at church had never driven a car. Different time for those type folks. Stay at home, make pies, and keep your pie hole shut. You don’t need to go anywhere.


But now, I know of several almost 20 year old young persons. Mostly associations of my kids’ friends. 19,20,22 years old.

No license, no car, never took the test, scare to drive.

There apparently is a lot of those types now
Originally Posted by Beoceorl
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.

Except for themselves. Then it's the more the merrier!!!
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
Originally Posted by Beoceorl
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.

Except for themselves. Then it's the more the merrier!!!

Some animals are more equal than others.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
[quote=smokepole]


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...

If you don't follow gubmints rules you are going to lose your "freedom" and share a cell w/ Bubba.
Originally Posted by slumlord
I thought it was a slight anomaly that a random old lady at church had never driven a car. Different time for those type folks. Stay at home, make pies, and keep your pie hole shut. You don’t need to go anywhere.


But now, I know of several almost 20 year old young persons. Mostly associations of my kids’ friends. 19,20,22 years old.

No license, no car, never took the test, scare to drive.

There apparently is a lot of those types now

Yup, bunches.
As long as they know somebody else w a license, its cool.
Or so they think.

My kids were not gung ho on driving. But when they figured out there was stuff to do and travel/ independence mandated driving......they got w the program.
Originally Posted by sactoller
Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

That's been a fact ... throughout history.

L.W.
So...the noble auto makers....who bankrupted us in the early 2000's...need our support now more than ever?


Fugg those people in the neck.

BTW...once the can make better profits on electric...the big three will abandon gasoline.
The attack, is on The American Way.
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?
Posted By: JoeBob Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?


You think it’s going to be any better when you have to rent in perpetuity everything you now own? No, you will be an actual slave at that point instead of a mere debt slave.
No, Big James, and I think you're just looking for trouble. laugh
Originally Posted by KFWA
I think its a major concern for automobile makers in the future.

why would you want to own a car when there is an autonomous automobile fleet out there, you type in an address on your phone and a car shows up a few minutes later to take you wherever you want to go. It automatically chooses the most efficient route. You can scroll tinder or sports or whatever on your phone and not even pay attention until it gets you to your destination.

like the article says, our automobiles sit 95% of the time but we pay for them 100% of the time. In reality, a small number of cars could serve a very large community.


its a world that is foreign to us now but its coming.
I don't think so.

I want MY car in my garage at any moment I decide to go any where I choose to go.

I do not want to wait 30 minutes or an hour for the next available car to come and get me, make me late for work, or extend my day by making me late to get home.

There is no way in hell a person could hire a car for a twenty or thirty mile commute, five or six days/week cheaper than buying one. Let alone evening trips to the market or hardware store. Should we even discuss taking the boat, atv, or camper to the lake or hunting camp?

I do not pay for my car by the hour while it sits in the garage. It is miles on the road which burns fuel, wears tires, necessitates oil changes, and wears on mechanical components.

Fugg a bunch of commies!
Look on the bright side of this, kids.

In the large cities, car sharing actually makes sense. Driving is "generic." Low speed limits, point to point, not like you can squeeze a 911 and get anything out of it but a summons. Okay, so now all the city people are sharing.

Or there's autonomous E-cars or something, which again makes sense as city roads could be packed with sensors and guidance technology and be a fine, safe way to get around.

Then

S H T F. Nobody has a car. Nobody can get their E-car charged. Nobody can get out and pillage the countryside. Problem solved, depending on the timing.
Originally Posted by slumlord
I remember back 30 years or so ago when I was a kid and I had a go-cart.

It was some sort illegal act or road faux pas to ride it on city streets.

I grew up in a series of trailer parks and subdivisions. Dah-Dah was in the army, we didnt have 12,000 acres or a Little Debbie truck parked outside.

So anyway, I enjoyed no freedoms to ride my machine with risk of govt confiscation and penalties.

But ya know…now a days….I see fatfoucks and little punk kids with jiggly man titties bouncing up and down and hauling ASSSSSSS up and down state and county roads with no jack booted harrassment. “I gots me little orange thingie ons de back, Im untouchable “ whut in the fuuuuck.

A lot of us pioneers has to take the brunt of punishments, attacks by Indians and Karens and now it
/ easy and no big deal for fleshy fat foucks in their 31,000$ kubota four seater crew cab to run up to the market for Cünt Brothers pizza and Sonoma $3 ciggs.

They should get chased through fields and construction sites and dry creek beds by Deputy Cleatus like I had to put up with. Hide in the woods for 2 hours till fatfouck deputy got hungry and left. Some easy livin for these mfers today.
Come to Idaho, where the license plate on the back of every ATV allows them to be ridden/driven on any city or county road, and even state hiways within a few miles of the city limits.

By contrast, Oregon does not even allow ATV use on USFS roads.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?


You think it’s going to be any better when you have to rent in perpetuity everything you now own? No, you will be an actual slave at that point instead of a mere debt slave.

That's nuts.

You are owned now by China and flashy plastic.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?
Some Americans buy 10 to 20 year old vehicles with < 100K on the clock and drive them until they are ready for the crusher. Have not had an auto loan, or need of comp/ collision in about thirty years.
The arrogant poofter Brits are always trying to tell the world how to live.

They neglect to mention they have 55+ million people crammed onto an island about the size of Alabama with its 4.4+ million people.

NV is 1.17 the size of England. Try to share a car here.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?

Personal Property Tax

Sales Tax (even on used vehicles)

Imagine if we had to pay personal property tax on our guns, hand tools or fishing gear every year - would you still own what you do now?
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
[quote=smokepole]


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...


The gubmint taxes anything they can, that's a given.

But which one of those prevents you from owning a vehicle?
Originally Posted by savage24
Originally Posted by smokepole
Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?

Personal Property Tax

Sales Tax (even on used vehicles)

Imagine if we had to pay personal property tax on our guns, hand tools or fishing gear every year - would you still own what you do now?

Yes.
Originally Posted by savage24
Originally Posted by smokepole
Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?

Personal Property Tax

Sales Tax (even on used vehicles)

Imagine if we had to pay personal property tax on our guns, hand tools or fishing gear every year - would you still own what you do now?

I did when I had my contracting business. Tangible Property Tax

ladders, compressors, trade tools, specialized equipment
Posted By: Sako76 Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.

They already have Zip Cars in NYC! This is all about restricting your rights! If people don't see we are starting to go backwards pertaining liberties, they need to open their eyes!
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?
Some Americans buy 10 to 20 year old vehicles with < 100K on the clock and drive them until they are ready for the crusher. Have not had an auto loan, or need of comp/ collision in about thirty years.

That's not the American Dream as defined by the central bank or Wall Street.
Quote
Come to Idaho, where the license plate on the back of every ATV allows them to be ridden/driven on any city or county road, and even state hiways within a few miles of the city limits.
Sort of. To ride it on any city or county road, you also need liability insurance plus all the lights and a horn.

The feds require all kinds of safety stuff on cars driven on public roads, the crash tests, etc. I've never heard of all that being required on OHV's but I'll bet its coming.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
It isn’t a “concern” for auto manufacturers. It’s a future business model. Instead of making and selling 100 cars through dealers and all that they’ll make 20 cars and run their own ride sharing businesses. Instead of having dealers and all that rigamarole, they’ll do away with all the middlemen and the costs. Instead of having cars that are bought and eventually paid for, they’ll make cheap econo boxes for which the payments are never ending. You, instead of paying $700 a month for a car you own and can eventually pay out, will pay $500 a month in perpetuity directly to Ford, GM, or Toyota for the privilege of sharing one of those other cars with half the town. And of course, you’ll not have much choice because the only cars available to private individuals will cost $500k.

That way, we reduce the congestion and pollution while still allowing the rich to enjoy their convenience and freedom. You proles will have adjust your lifestyles accordingly.


Dude ^^^^ is onto something I think.


The shared car deal has been happening in some places for a long time. Someone mentioned the cost of having one in NYC. That's not the only place.

College towns, heck even the poor folks on my ID channel murder shows are always letting their friends use the community car. I think they're of the disposable type though. Bought cheap, run hard, leave in a field when it starts crapping out.

Uber and such got their starts for some of the reasons mentioned on this thread. Better to just pay someone for a ride when you need one. Take the subway or train if necessary at other times.

Next, they'll be after your tools. Can't tell you how many particular ones I own that haven't been used in a few months. Probably haven't used a 24" pipewrench in over a year.

The RICH oligarchs would likely prefer I just call one of their companies and have them send out a technician that they make a profit one, and let them use their pipewrench.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
The American way being to cover yourself up to the eyes in auto, homeowner and consumer debt?
Some Americans buy 10 to 20 year old vehicles with < 100K on the clock and drive them until they are ready for the crusher. Have not had an auto loan, or need of comp/ collision in about thirty years.

That's not the American Dream as defined by the central bank or Wall Street.
The Central Scrutinizer would not approve.
Originally Posted by Sako76
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.

They already have Zip Cars in NYC! This is all about restricting your rights! If people don't see we are starting to go backwards pertaining liberties, they need to open their eyes!

How is the "World Economic Forum" going to restrict my rights?

Be specific please.
Posted By: JoeBob Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/27/22
They’re going to do houses that way too. You’ll never own a home because they all cost $3 million or more. The rich can have one of their own if they want, but the rest of you proles will rent the home forever. And not only will you rent the home, you’ll rent your mattress, furniture, and even your clothes. Want to buy a mattress, well, okay that’ll be $5k and you’ll have to wait a few years for a production overrun because the mattress company is contracted out to supply their entire production to the home rental companies which are, of course, all owned by Blackrock.

That’s the future model for everything. It remains to be seen if it actually happens, but that’s the plan.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
They’re going to do houses that way too. You’ll never own a home because they all cost $3 million or more. The rich can have one of their own if they want, but the rest of you proles will rent the home forever. And not only will you rent the home, you’ll rent your mattress, furniture, and even your clothes. Want to buy a mattress, well, okay that’ll be $5k and you’ll have to wait a few years for a production overrun because the mattress company is contracted out to supply their entire production to the home rental companies which are, of course, all owned by Blackrock.

That’s the future model for everything. It remains to be seen if it actually happens, but that’s the plan.


Close, but more likely similar to Rollerball 1975 version.

6 Corporations, no Nations, goodies to keep the proles, as you call them, under control.

Apple, Google, Amazon, Huawei (or some other Chinese corporation), Bayer, maybe Monsanto, as they've all got a headstart.
Posted By: EdM Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/28/22
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Sako76
Originally Posted by smokepole
You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.

They already have Zip Cars in NYC! This is all about restricting your rights! If people don't see we are starting to go backwards pertaining liberties, they need to open their eyes!

How is the "World Economic Forum" going to restrict my rights?

Be specific please.

Good luck with that. What a thread...
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
[quote=smokepole]


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...


The gubmint taxes anything they can, that's a given.

But which one of those prevents you from owning a vehicle?

Did you miss the operators permit and vehicle registration???
Posted By: JoeBob Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/28/22
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by JoeBob
They’re going to do houses that way too. You’ll never own a home because they all cost $3 million or more. The rich can have one of their own if they want, but the rest of you proles will rent the home forever. And not only will you rent the home, you’ll rent your mattress, furniture, and even your clothes. Want to buy a mattress, well, okay that’ll be $5k and you’ll have to wait a few years for a production overrun because the mattress company is contracted out to supply their entire production to the home rental companies which are, of course, all owned by Blackrock.

That’s the future model for everything. It remains to be seen if it actually happens, but that’s the plan.


Close, but more likely similar to Rollerball 1975 version.

6 Corporations, no Nations, goodies to keep the proles, as you call them, under control.

Apple, Google, Amazon, Huawei (or some other Chinese corporation), Bayer, maybe Monsanto, as they've all got a headstart.

Blackrock pretty much controls all those companies already. $9 trillion buys a lot.
I think we have had systems in place doing this thing for a long time.


It's called public transportation.

People sharing trains, subways, busses, airplanes...

Taxis anybody.😁😁😁

Instead of owning one, they pay for their use.


Revolutionary.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


And it works great in urban places with a mostly honest and civilized
demographic. Not so well most places. Urbans tend to be uncivilized.


Rural areas make it unfeasible.


Read this whole thread wanting to post this, expecting to be beat to it.
I think you forgot stagecoaches.
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
[quote=smokepole]


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...


The gubmint taxes anything they can, that's a given.

But which one of those prevents you from owning a vehicle?

Did you miss the operators permit and vehicle registration???

No I did not. Those don't prevent me from owning a vehicle.

You?
Posted By: Pat85 Re: New attack on car ownership - 07/28/22
Originally Posted by Geno67
World Economic Forum article lays it out about as clearly as it could be – You don’t need to own an automobile, you just need to be able to use one owned by somebody else.

Will I be able to use Klaus Schwabs personal ride to trek around Germany in this new utopia?
While the bigwigs fly in privet jets.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Cowboybart
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by tndrbstr
[quote=smokepole]


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...


The gubmint taxes anything they can, that's a given.

But which one of those prevents you from owning a vehicle?

Did you miss the operators permit and vehicle registration???

No I did not. Those don't prevent me from owning a vehicle.

You?

I learned a long time ago one does not need a license to drive, or a registration tag.

One does not even need the keys to the vehicle if one knows what one is doing.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
While the bigwigs fly in privet jets.

Wabi, the 1700's called, they want their figure of speech back.
I’ve said in previous post that 20 years ago I thought this new world order crap and more especially agenda 21 stuff was for conspiracy nuts who needed a little more tin foil on their dome!
But 20 years ago I was a good bit younger!
Over the last 20 years I’ve seen too many things, some downright scary, stuff I never thought possible occur, and now I truly believe we are seeing evil take over the world.
Banning private vehicle ownership, Hell, for that matter all private property is one of the goals of agenda 21. Of course so is population control, I believe keeping human population under whatever the number was.
Like I said in other post, there’s just too many black swan things, stuff I thought outside the realm of possibility, happen.
I’m wondering how anyone who’s ever heard of these things can remain oblivious to what’s occurred and is going on.
The people, especially Americans who have had it pretty good, are beginning to be conditioned to this stuff.
This chit is all being orchestrated on purpose. And it’s only started.
7mm
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