I've heard the small Honda is great, but I'd like opinions. My parents have a big Generac for long term if the family needs it. But I only need one for portable work or maybe to run a freezer in a short power outage
For those uses, go to Harbor Freight.
I have a $250 Sportsman 1000 that I bought to use on multi-day camping/boating trips to charge my boat batteries. It is surprisingly capable of running power tools, hedge trimmers, and even running the freezer. Amazing little machine.
Have an older Honda - gets run a lot in the fall. I couldn't look elsewhere should I want another. I'd always wonder if it was as good as the honda, if it lasts as long as the honda etc. Just get the honda and not wonder would be my plan.
Buy once..cry once! Get a Honda 2200i
Several models of WEN portable inverter generators have fuel shut-off so you don't have to leave fuel to go bad and gum-up the carb between uses, which in my opinion is a BIG plus...
https://wenproducts.com/collections/inverter-generators
I guess best can mean many things,
Honda, and lately Yamaha are the standard when discussion best. Lots of 2200 Hondas out there and for good reason
But if I only needed one for emergencies and wasn't going to use it but a few hours each year, I'd be hard pressed to spend the extra for either.
Inverter style all the way.
Exactly. That's why I suggested Harbor Freight. They may be Chinese, but they get very good reviews.
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
We have been through two longer runs without power, where we used a smallish generator, two days during a hurricane and nine days in a winter storm.
We have a Yamaha 7,500 watt. It ran flawlessly. The fuel tank required refilling every six to seven hours hours in the winter storm with a full load of electric heaters and frig and freezer for two houses. Thankfully, I had plenty of fuel stored for it and plenty of heavy gauge cords and splitters.
For household needs, have more watts available than you think you need and buy based on reliability. The fuel tank needs refilling, and won’t fill itself in the middle of the night and you need to sleep. So consider run time between fill ups.
One neighbor had a Troy Bilt, which failed due to a crack in a fuel cutoff valve. Another neighbor had the Harbor Freight store brand with a rope crank, which would not start in the freezing temps.
The Yamaha has an electric starter and rope backup.
Make sure to have plenty of fuel and add stabilizer. Now I found an alcohol free gas station and am storing that.
For a house, buy more power and more fuel than you think you need. We were running electric heaters to keep pipes from freezing for nine days.
Now I have a 20,000 watt natural gas Kohler unit on order. Some natural gas lines froze during the winter storm. So keeping the Yamaha ready too.
I've got a Honda 2000 that's probably 15 years old. It's an amazing little piece of engineering.
That said, the gap between high end and the rest has shrunk a lot. A friend of mine brought his little generator over a couple weeks ago. I think it was a Champion? Anyway, I was really impressed. Just as quiet as my Honda with 500 more watts.
It is typical of the 'Fire that if a member asks for a good wheelbarrow to help in the garden and there'll be at least one reply that insists he needs a six-ton dump truck.
It is typical of the 'Fire that if a member asks for a good wheelbarrow to help in the garden and there'll be at least one reply that insists he needs a six-ton dump truck.
He asked for two very different uses, portable and household use, and he also asked for "best," not cheapest.
Having been through depending on it for household supply, giving some feedback from experience.
Exactly. That's why I suggested Harbor Freight. They may be Chinese, but they get very good reviews.
Why would you knowingly purchase something from, and promote other people to buy something from China? Do you have any doubt that China is trying to destroy our country?
Not even willing to say one thing bad about Honda generators but their price is a gulp . Couple of years a go I bought a GP 3300 Generac 3300watt steady and 3750 surge got it home and install wheels and feet put the oil in and gas.flipped on the switch, hit the choke and petcock on position. Started on the first pull. It isn't as quiet as a honda or other inverter gens but it was $369+ tax out the door not 1200. Price? I don't know how to evaluated the extra. It's my portable for my rv. Early last week I ordered a dual fuel gas/lp Westinghouse 9500/12500 on gas or 8500/11200 watts on lp from Sam's for 999.99+ tax delivered. They called to confirm delivery but I just drove to the trucking warehouse and picked it up.10minutes to install feet and wheels as well as oil and gas. Turned on the petcock,, the cold start choke and pushed the electric start button boom it"running. Also has a remote and recoil start it came with the lp hose and battery recharger. Coupled with the power companies auto shut off for my commercial feed when it goes down, the 9500 will run my house.. the switch and outlet plus install runs 900 bucks but what is your peace of mind worth? Pay the 1200 for a EU 2200i Honda but the same money will buy one to power your house. Something to consider...mb
I recently bought a pair of champion 2500 dual fuel gennys. I think they're $599.00 @ Walmart. I wanted the dual fuel for use when there isn't any non-ethanol gas available. They weigh 39lbs and put out 1850watts continuous on gas and about 1750 on propane. Wife can put 'em in the truck by herself if needed. They start 1st pull and are as quiet as the Honda. Can parallel em for 3700watts if/as needed. So far I've been very happy with them.
Wen has been mentioned
Recently bought two......2000 watt & the 3800 watt
Easy set up.....one pull start....quiet...Longevity ? Dunno
Also have a Yamaha 2800I thats 16+ YO....great machine !
Look at the link shown....the Wen 3800I is marked down to $600
Buy direct from Wen....no tax/fast free shipping
https://wenproducts.com/collections...le-inverter-generator-with-fuel-shut-off
Thank you all! I think this is important for most people these days. Our country is being taken over by communists and money in the bank is losing value fast. I want to use my money now. Hell, next year the same stuff we need may cost 100 percent more.
I bought guns a year ago I could sell for a 200% profit now. But the bank just takes my money.
The OP wrote, "But I only need one for portable work or maybe to run a freezer in a short power outage." That means he is not looking for a full-house, long duration power supply. Neither of his needs requires much over 1000 watts of power. Yes, a bit more is better so the unit does not run at max throttle all the time. Nor does he need the highest quality brand available.
I replied with what I thought met his needs and his request: a lower to mid-range inverter machine from Harbor Freight.
cv540, if we looked through your stuff, we wouldn't find a single item that's made in China?
I'm thinking the least $$ Predator inverter from Hobo Freight is still more than this 2000 watt Wen (40#)
https://wenproducts.com/collections.../wen-2000-watt-inverter-generator-56200i
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
This is why we'll be speaking Chinese and eating rice in 20 years.
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
Inverters can also run in series
I just bought a westinghouse 2500 inverter on Ebay. So far so good. I did all the research and for my intermittent uses, this little guy is perfect. I'll probably pick up a larger dual fuel inverter for my cabin. I didn't find advantages to the Honda that closed the price gap for my uses. Ymmv.
The OP wrote, "But I only need one for portable work or maybe to run a freezer in a short power outage." That means he is not looking for a full-house, long duration power supply. Neither of his needs requires much over 1000 watts of power. Yes, a bit more is better so the unit does not run at max throttle all the time. Nor does he need the highest quality brand available.
I replied with what I thought met his needs and his request: a lower to mid-range inverter machine from Harbor Freight.
cv540, if we looked through your stuff, we wouldn't find a single item that's made in China?
I have become more aware of what I buy since China has become more obvious of what their intentions are. I have not knowing bought anything made in China in years, and bitch if I find my wife has.
It starts with us. We have the choice to use discretion when purchasing, especially if it is a larger ticket item that costs hundreds of dollars.
I cannot stomach the idea that in making a purchase I am financially supporting a Chinese government that I believe we will be at war with in my lifetime or my children's lifetime.
If you can justify doing it to save a few bucks that is your choice.
This is why we'll be speaking Chinese and eating rice in 20 years.
EXCACTLY!
I've heard the Honda and Harbor Freight 2000 watt units running side by side several times in camps and on job sites and I honestly couldn't tell you which one was quieter. As far as function I didn't see any difference there either. If you have money to blow on something you may only use once or twice a year, get the Honda. If you want to save your money and get something that will work as well as the Honda and sit on the shelf just as well as the Honda the rest of the year, get the Harbor Freight or Champion unit. Even for heavier duty uses I would still consider the Harbor Freight equipment these days. Even their larger units are highly rated these days for way less than most of the competition...
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
won't burn up the circuit board on your appliances and electronics
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
Inverters can also run in series
Actually in parallel for more current capability if needed.
Jerry
I've heard the small Honda is great, but I'd like opinions. My parents have a big Generac for long term if the family needs it. But I only need one for portable work or maybe to run a freezer in a short power outage
Harbor freight for the win.
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
Inverters can also run in series
Also, the high-tech circuitry in virtually all modern-day household electronics -- TVs, stereos, ranges, refrigerators, deep freezers, computers, etc., etc., require 'clean' stable current which is what inverter generators provide vs non inverter generators which could cause unwanted problems including service calls, parts replacements or new equipment replacement altogether.
Exactly. That's why I suggested Harbor Freight. They may be Chinese, but they get very good reviews.
Why would you knowingly purchase something from, and promote other people to buy something from China? Do you have any doubt that China is trying to destroy our country?
You must not read labels on anything you own lol. Clutch those pearls harder. BTW it wasnt the Chinese who outsourced our industries and factories.
Anyway Ive heard good things about the Predator gens but I have also heard the new ones that have the CO detector shutoff arent as good as the pre-detector version.
If Predator had a dual fuel version I would have picked it up but I went with a Champion inverter dual fuel when I was looking. I'd rather run on propane than gas. I converted my big Generac to run on propane also with a $30 carb conversion via Amazon via China (most likely).
Honda has long been recognzed as premier small generator with price to match.
I was shopping a while back, and unwilling to pay Honda prices. I ended up with two Generac 2200 inverter units with a parrallel box. I wanted them small and light enough to lift onto a 12 inch shelf behind my pickup bed mounted camper.
Not as cheap as Harbor Freight. Easier to handle than a single 4000 watt generator.
It will take the coupled pair to run the AC on either the camper or the 28 foot trailer, and I bet we will still have to turn off the AC before using the microwave.
First world problems.
Exactly. That's why I suggested Harbor Freight. They may be Chinese, but they get very good reviews.
Why would you knowingly purchase something from, and promote other people to buy something from China? Do you have any doubt that China is trying to destroy our country?
You must not read labels on anything you own lol. Clutch those pearls harder. BTW it wasnt the Chinese who outsourced our industries and factories.
Anyway Ive heard good things about the Predator gens but I have also heard the new ones that have the CO detector shutoff arent as good as the pre-detector version.
If Predator had a dual fuel version I would have picked it up but I went with a Champion inverter dual fuel when I was looking. I'd rather run on propane than gas. I converted my big Generac to run on propane also with a $30 carb conversion via Amazon via China (most likely).
I have the duel fuel inverter by Champion as well. I thought it was the best value on the market. Electric start is a bonus
Honda got my money. I’ve got the same motor married to a transfer pump and it is one loud sob! Crazy how quiet they have made that little buzz box.
Screw China.
I'd rather have 2 or 3 less expensive Champion or Predator gensets than one Honda. Hondas are great, but not that much money great, for a generator I might use one every 3 or 4 years. I have a 4000 Watt Champion and a 2200 Watt Westinghouse inverter. They will keep our house going in an emergency, and won't break the bank. Another thing to think about is, if you get a large generator that can run everything, you have to feed it. Mine are large enough to keep us and our food in good shape for a decently small amount of fuel. I keep at least 20 gallons of gas in our shed and rotate it through the lawn tractor. That much gas will last long enough for about any power outage we will ever have.
I bought the Honda 2200i a couple of years ago. I have never needed it but once. My wife has needed it numerous times while I was away at work. She can carry it. Fuel it and start it. It works great. I considered the Harbor Freights but read the reviews and all of them don't run. They take them back and replace them. I wanted one that was bomb proof. I paid my money and got what I thought was the best.
We installed a Predator 9500 (pure sine wave) up at our new mountain house on Roan Mountain a few months ago and have run the heck outta the thing several times since. Just returned from up there late yesterday.
We paid $1995.00 for it in January ... love it so much I went to buy another one this morning and they're up to $2395.00 so I held off for now but I'm probably going-back to get another one when they go back on sale.
The lesser model Honda is $5845.00 ...`fewer watts, lesser run time. Plus I can run two of the 9500s in series.
Hondas and Yamahas are very good but they've gotten too expensive. My electrical engineer Son-In-Law put it to me this way when we were setting up power at the new cabin. He observed that Hondas are still running strong 10, 15 and sometimes 20 years later ... and that these Predators are better than the 10, 15 and 20 year old Hondas so, return for the money ... given today's new Honda prices ... the Predators are a better investment.
This new Predator is amazingly quiet too.
I've got a diesel Lister-Peter that I put a gen set on (not inverted but we tune it to 60mz) ... got a couple of Briggs and Strattons, a Champion, they all still run. The Honda we used to use for tailgaiting I gave to my Son and it still runs great.
If you invest in good quality and maintain it, change the oil regularly, tune-ups, run it dry before storing it and don't leave bad gas in it, crank it up every once in awhile even when not needed, etc., ... they'll last longer. They'll last a long time under normal use. I've got a friend who swears by those small yellow ones at Tractor Supply. Not the red Champions but I think they're yellow Champions. He's been showing up at Fish Camp with one pf those for years and it wasn't very expensive.
I had my mind made up on Honda but the RV dealers were pushing Yamaha when we bought our 5th wheel, claiming they're quieter. No scientific testing, but I feel like our friend's Honda is noticeably quieter than our Yamaha running them sxs.
Now it seems the same dealers are going back to Honda. I'm told the Yamaha 2000 in tandem is very marginal operating AC units on RV's whereas the Honda 2200's work fine for that. We seldom use the AC but when we have, it shuts off frequently due to inadequate power supply (or so I'm told that's the reason).
Starting over, I wouldn't consider anything but Honda for our use...
I bought a Power Smart 2200, Just as quiet as a Honda, 1/3 the price and runs great, 12 V output with cigarette type receptacle and two USB ports for clean power, and two 120v receptacles.
I paid n $350 for mine direct from Powersmart..
Below is Amazon listing for information.
https://www.amazon.com/PowerSmart-PS5020Super-Portable-Generator-Compliant/dp/B089FDFDH5/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1F7WRLXMFEMJF&keywords=power+smart+inverter+generator&qid=1659124128&sprefix=Powersmart+inverter+generator%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-3
Honda then Kawasaki
Honda generators are made in 3 countries US, Japan and primarily China.
Predator 3500 for the win. Everything is made in China or has parts from there. When I hook up my camper and enjoy a quite night by the river, I aint thinking about chinks. They more than likely stole our technology to build it or some US government entity or corporation sold it to them along with rights to sell it back to the US consumer.They aint that smart. China wouldn't be what they are without American ingenuity. We have sold our souls to the devil.
Predator 3500 for the win. Everything is made in China or has parts from there. When I hook up my camper and enjoy a quite night by the river, I aint thinking about chinks. They more than likely stole our technology to build it or some US government entity or corporation sold it to them along with rights to sell it back to the US consumer.They aint that smart. China wouldn't be what they are without American ingenuity. We have sold our souls to the devil.
You ain't thinking about Chinks because there's no reason to. It ain't our fault that manufacturing left this country DECADES ago. Fugg it, I like Walmart and such. Adapt or die, I couldn't care less.
Inverter style all the way.
What’s the advantage of the inverter style?
The advantage is that the motor doesn't have to run at high speed to output 60 hz power (typically 3600 rpm). An inverter style can ramp the motor up and down with load. Electricity is produced AC, rectified to DC, stored in capacitors, and then converted back to AC electronically at 60 hz. A bit more complicated, but more efficient and quieter running.
Jerry
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the heads-up on Wen Generators.
Honda then Kawasaki
Honda generators are made in 3 countries US, Japan and primarily China.
my 2800I is Japan mfg
Thanks for the heads-up on Wen Generators.
worth the consideration
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Just as I would recommend for an ATV, just buy the Honda and be done with it. EU2200i
I have had the harbor freight 2000 for 4 years now.
Not a single problem since day 1, starts within 3 pulls, sits for 7 months between using and still keeps on going.
It's run my fridge n tv in outages up to 4hrs now.
It's quiet as well, maybe not Honda quiet, but close.
Just as I would recommend for an ATV, just buy the Honda and be done with it. EU2200i
Yeah that's the thing though, should he buy a Honda or spend half as much on a Champion or Harbor Freight... As a Honda owner, I can't recommend another brand but generators are funny, they don't get used much, and just NEED to start when you do have a problem. Also, when you get an elk in September on a bowhunt and use a chest freezer powered by a generator. More guys are swinging that way, it makes sense.
I have two of the Powerhorse 2300 watt inverter generators from Northern Tool.I've used the Honda generators before and this one is as quite and honestly I think it's as good.I can hook them together if I want to.Runs about 8hrs on a gallon of fuel.Not a whole house generator,but with just one I've been able to keep three freezers,a refrigerator,tv,computers and a few lights going for days,not everything a one time,but with two I could if I needed them to and I have backup if one of them would die.
I picked up a Champion 2000 from TSC on clearance for $200 couple weeks ago. Somebody dropped the box and cracked cover a little. Have about 10 hours on it so far. Idles running my fan while Im wiring my shed
Not even willing to say one thing bad about Honda generators but their price is a gulp . Couple of years a go I bought a GP 3300 Generac 3300watt steady and 3750 surge got it home and install wheels and feet put the oil in and gas.flipped on the switch, hit the choke and petcock on position. Started on the first pull. It isn't as quiet as a honda or other inverter gens but it was $369+ tax out the door not 1200. Price? I don't know how to evaluated the extra. It's my portable for my rv. Early last week I ordered a dual fuel gas/lp Westinghouse 9500/12500 on gas or 8500/11200 watts on lp from Sam's for 999.99+ tax delivered. They called to confirm delivery but I just drove to the trucking warehouse and picked it up.10minutes to install feet and wheels as well as oil and gas. Turned on the petcock,, the cold start choke and pushed the electric start button boom it"running. Also has a remote and recoil start it came with the lp hose and battery recharger. Coupled with the power companies auto shut off for my commercial feed when it goes down, the 9500 will run my house.. the switch and outlet plus install runs 900 bucks but what is your peace of mind worth? Pay the 1200 for a EU 2200i Honda but the same money will buy one to power your house. Something to consider...mb
I've used that Generac for 10 years. The most I ran it was 11 days straight. I've replaced a few hoses but that has been it.
I like champions. For a cheap genset, they work. Got a couple of them. Be sure and shut the gas off when done.
I got a 4500 out at the property and a 11500 to run the house. No issues with either
Just as I would recommend for an ATV, just buy the Honda and be done with it. EU2200i
Yeah that's the thing though, should he buy a Honda or spend half as much on a Champion or Harbor Freight... As a Honda owner, I can't recommend another brand but generators are funny, they don't get used much, and just NEED to start when you do have a problem. Also, when you get an elk in September on a bowhunt and use a chest freezer powered by a generator. More guys are swinging that way, it makes sense.
I would buy the Honda just for the quietness. Yamaha, Predator, whatever...all get mentioned as being "almost as quiet" as the Honda. Everything gets compared to the Honda for all sorts of characteristics. Honda sets the standard.
Since their introduction, I would bet that I have sold over 2000 Honda EU2000 and EU2200i generators. As of yesterday we have close to 250 homes that are off grid all year and about that many cabins in use from May to October. The Hondas (off grid) typically run 8 to 12 hours a day, all year long. One of my employees once calculated that the worst case "offenders" running their generators, would accrue the equivalent of driving a car or truck at road speeds around 450,thousand miles in a year. I'll let you do the math if you want. The op suggested that he would use a generator sparingly, so the above really does not affect his choices overwhelmingly. The people that are off grid get on average around two years out of theirs. Wonder how the others would hold up to that?
Since their introduction, I would bet that I have sold over 2000 Honda EU2000 and EU2200i generators. As of yesterday we have close to 250 homes that are off grid all year and about that many cabins in use from May to October. The Hondas (off grid) typically run 8 to 12 hours a day, all year long. One of my employees once calculated that the worst case "offenders" running their generators, would accrue the equivalent of driving a car or truck at road speeds around 450,thousand miles in a year. I'll let you do the math if you want. The op suggested that he would use a generator sparingly, so the above really does not affect his choices overwhelmingly. The people that are off grid get on average around two years out of theirs. Wonder how the others would hold up to that?
My guess is that it'd be about half that. Fuggin Honda, you can't beat their small engines...but you pay for them.
I have Hondas and Yamahas. Reality is, I have had far fewer issues with my Yamahas. None actually that I can think of.
Both are good. But the Yamahas have been absolutely fault-free.
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
Purchased a Honda EU 2200i last year. Made in Thailand. Going to buy a couple more for Christmas gifts.
My Yamaha 2800I.....purchased 2005 IIRC
Japan mfg...been a great machine
Here....portable power building fence/hanging gates...when I had more ambition ):
Weighing 68# still easier handled with 2 persons
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I have had the harbor freight 2000 for 4 years now.
Not a single problem since day 1, starts within 3 pulls, sits for 7 months between using and still keeps on going.
It's run my fridge n tv in outages up to 4hrs now.
It's quiet as well, maybe not Honda quiet, but close.
This is what I want. Thank you.
But also thanks to everyone for their thoughtful advice. Lots of smart people on the Campfire. If only we could replace our gov't with Campfire members lol. We'd rule the world forever.
JD45: I sure like the reliability of my Honda.
Good luck with whichever you choose.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
I personally have two Honda generators, one made in Japan, one made in Thailand. They are much newer than 20 years old.
Bullschit call stands.
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Rocky: The locked rotor voltage of a freezer compressor exceeds 1000W. On start up you will get a lot of circuit breaker trips. If it does not trip the breaker the power surge required on start up will momentarily exceed the rated output of the generator thereby significantly shortening the service life of the generator.
Attached are images of the compressor showing the power details from my Magic Chef 10 cu ft fridge including the lock rotor current of 10 amps.
When I installed the fridge I measured AT the batteries a spike of 110 amps. Battery volts at the time was 12.6VDC which converts to 1360 watts. I measured at the batteries to give me a true number of the total power demand of the configuration to include cable loss, invertor usage, fridge and such. I'm working from memory as the data was collected 3 years ago when I installed the fridge so the numbers might be slightly off.
I used a Simpson HE 95 AC/DC Amps-Clamps meter to measure the amps. Meter response time is listed as 100 msec which is fast enough for most motor surge detection, measurement and display. The meter also has the capability to hold for display surge or peak currents.
The possibility of using a modified sine wave inverter with a Magic Chef 10 cu ft fridge I can't address as I was using a 2000 watt Xantrex PROWatt which is a pure sign wave invertor.
Not sure about best today but for $299 my Champion 4000 hasn't let me down yet and it's been over 10 years. When I upgrade bigger dual/fuel it will be a Champion.
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
I personally have two Honda generators, one made in Japan, one made in Thailand. They are much newer than 20 years old.
Bullschit call stands.
an
Find out where the parts come from for the Thailand, US and Japan generators before you post your childish drivel. You can easily find out this information, I'm not going to do it for a dumbazz.
https://powercurious.com/where-are-honda-generators-made/Here is a quote
Honda generators are made in several countries, including the United States, China, and Japan. The vast majority of Honda generators are made in China.
Now STFU
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
I personally have two Honda generators, one made in Japan, one made in Thailand. They are much newer than 20 years old.
Bullschit call stands.
an
Find out where the parts come from for the Thailand, US and Japan generators before you post your childish drivel. You can easily find out this information, I'm not going to do it for a dumbazz.
https://powercurious.com/where-are-honda-generators-made/Here is a quote
Honda generators are made in several countries, including the United States, China, and Japan. The vast majority of Honda generators are made in China.
Now STFU
You forgot this quote:
The vast majority of Honda generators sold in the United States are made at Honda’s facility in Swepsonville, North Carolina.
Honda generators are made primarily in China.
I call bullschit on that.
Yeah because you have a 20 year old one that says made in Japan right
I personally have two Honda generators, one made in Japan, one made in Thailand. They are much newer than 20 years old.
Bullschit call stands.
an
Find out where the parts come from for the Thailand, US and Japan generators before you post your childish drivel. You can easily find out this information, I'm not going to do it for a dumbazz.
https://powercurious.com/where-are-honda-generators-made/Here is a quote
Honda generators are made in several countries, including the United States, China, and Japan. The vast majority of Honda generators are made in China.
Now STFU
You forgot this quote:
The vast majority of Honda generators sold in the United States are made at Honda’s facility in Swepsonville, North Carolina.
They make small engines at that plant, snow blowers , tillers and generators at that plant, Not all of their generators are made there.
I've had a Honda 1000i generator for 10 years to power a small camper with no A/C. Performance has been flawless. I purchased a China Freight generator that only ran once and then refused to start. I tried to get parts for it but NOTHING was available from Hobo Freight. I finally was able to cross reference a carburetor from Amazon but no other parts were available anywhere. I wanted a small generator for back up at the house. The Honda and Yamaha generators were equal in price which was double the cost of the numerous other brands recommended on the Fire. I purchased 2 WEN generators because everyone raved about them. Using the link provided on the Fire recommendation I thought I was buying from Amazon . In 2 days the 2 generators shrink wrapped on a pallet were dumped off at my front door. Upon examination both boxes had been dropped before shrink wrapping and the corners and the sides were caved in. I called Amazon and was told that they were purchased from WOOT but shipped from Amazon service center 10 miles from my house. WOOT said to contact WEN in Carrolton TX. Numerous calls and emails went unanswered. I finally used the automated return service feature on WOOT. Printed off a prepaid a UPS return label, stuck it on the pallet and called UPS to pick it up. UPS would not pick up the package so I set a pick up with TFORCE Freight which was the surface freight division of UPS. TFORCE picked up the pallet. 2 weeks later I got an invoice from TFORCE for $2478.94. After researching WEN, Powermate, Generac, etc. and reading numerous negative reviews I purchased a Honda generator. Twice the cost but parts and sevice are available.
My question to WEN, Generac, Predator, Firman, A-ipower, etc. how is parts availability, warranty claims and customer support?
https://www.yamahagenerators.com/Yamaha-Inverter-Generators-s/1818.htmWhere are Yamaha Generators manufactured?
Yamaha's headquarters is in Japan and for most of their generator models, they are still manufactured in Japan. However, when the Japanese Tsunami hit in 2011, Yamaha (like many other manufacturers) needed to expand operations into other parts of Asia. So a few of their models now come out of a factory in China.
https://www.amazon.com/review/R2ZBFXZKH4XOK7/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_permCustomer Review
Willy J
5.0 out of 5 stars Greatest Yamaha EF2000is clone on the Market
Reviewed in the United States on January 13, 2016
Style: 2000 Watts (w/ 1600 Running)Pattern Name: Generator Verified Purchase
I currently have a Yamaha EF2000is. I saw the WEN on hot deals recently and couldn't pass it up for the price. I could have bought two of these and had change for what I paid for the Yamaha. The reason that I purchased the WEN is that the engine is a Yamaha clone, it's very similar inside, and the wiring diagrams are virtually the same so that I believe I can parallel the two generators. It's made in China, but the Yamaha has a label inside that it's made in China also. Smarter tools also has the Yamaha engine but they lablel theirs "Powered By Yamaha". I don't know if WEN licenses this engine or if it's a knockoff. I'm betting that both units might be made side by side in the same Chinese factory.
I've received it and have run it a couple of days and really like it. First of all it's very attractive. Inside it seems to have nearly the quality level of the Yamaha although there are differences. The engine is the same design but it has a dipstick whereas the Yamaha only has a plug. The spark plugs use different size wrenches. The inverter on the Yamaha is cased but the circuit board components are open on the WEN. One thing I like about the Yamaha that's missing on the WEN is the little door that allows you to access the oil fill hole without removing the entire side cover.
I oiled it and gassed it and then pulled the starter rope a couple of times slowly. Then I pulled twice and it started. I ran it through several short cycles with varying load and then cooldown to break it in. Then I ran it side by side with the Yamaha testing it with the same loads. I believe the Yamaha is marginally quieter but not by much. When on autothrotte the Yamaha responds to load faster whereas the WEN would blink it's overload lamp for a few seconds while catching up to a 1,500 watt load from idle. But really there seems to be very little difference in the performance or noise levels of the two units. Also the WEN is a couple of pounds heavier.
Update 04/01/2017 - A couple of years ago I gave away my Onan generator in my class C motorhome and replaced it with more batteries, a charger/inverter, and solar panels. I boondock always and never hook up. I don't want to start a generator every time I want to use the microwave or make a pot of coffee. I carry the WEN56200 in the coach for when solar isn't enough and I'm not driving enough to charge the battery bank from the vehicle generator. I fire up the WEN and run it at 90% load (I've added a tachometer) for a couple of hours. I never carry extra gas for it as I've never come back from a camping trip where I had used half of it's tank. After a year, the WEN still works great and starts right up every time. My Yamaha EF2000is has been gathering dust in my shop.
I ran it several hours yesterday powering a 40 amp battery charger charging the two 12 volt batteries on my big truck. It purred away on 1/4 throttle and you could hardly hear it from 50 feet away.
I just received the WEN parallel kit and spent yesterday parallel testing the WEN56200i with my Yamaha EF2000is. Both gensets paralleled with no problems. They shared the load well with almost identical RPMS. Both gensets held a nice steady 60cps standalone or paired. The max that I could load the paralleled gensets was 3,000 watts before the overload light came on the WEN. The Yamaha is just a bit stronger. See the attached picture. Ran them with two 1,500 watt heater at various settings as well as my air compressor. The little known secret is that any brand inverter generator that is parallel capable can be paralleled with any other brand. Honda, Yamaha, WEN, Smarter Tools, Etc.
I have a Honda eu30i handi at the moment. It's a good genny but a discontinued model now. The only problem with the 30i handi is the carby is difficult to get at to work on or to drain the fuel bowl. 99.9% of generating running problems are related to fuel being left in the machine which over time causes problems with the pilot & main jet getting clogged with gunk.
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Don't forget the Yamaha's. I have a 7200 for the house and a 1000 for messing around. One thing I do with mine is I use straight gas with no additives, bit expensive but well worth it in the long run
I have a Honda eu30i handi at the moment. It's a good genny but a discontinued model now. The only problem with the 30i handi is the carby is difficult to get at to work on or to drain the fuel bowl. 99.9% of generating running problems are related to fuel being left in the machine which over time causes problems with the pilot & main jet getting clogged with gunk.
Seafoam......Stabil......or Eth Free solves that
I wasn't going to comment because everyone buys the brand rather than the proven product. In the 2000 class it's Yamaha. Lighter, quieter and starts when it's cold compared to a Honda. I need mine to start when it's -25*F (Actual, not the silly windchill that's irrelevant) after bouncing around in the back of my truck for a week. Yes you can put a cold start kit in a Honda or keep it in the wife's spot in the truck to be sure it starts but, there is one generator on this planet that has never failed me under any and all circumstances.
As far as Generac, they build most of the actual generator parts. The brands are the engine.