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Posted By: Houston_2 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Consensus leveling out at approximately 10.5% increase monthly or an average increase of 175$/month for those presently receiving 1650$/month.

Multiple media outlets

Most agree that a sizable increase in Medicare cost will also be attached.
COLA is tied directly to annual inflation.

So what they are actually doing is predicting 10.5% annual inflation at the end of the fiscal year.

Trying to put lipstick on a pig, as the midterm election draws closer.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
COLA is tied directly to annual inflation.

So what they are actually doing is predicting 10.5% annual inflation at the end of the fiscal year.

Trying to put lipstick on a pig, as the midterm election draws closer.

So it appears.
The calculation for this is done differently by using the associated costs of fuel and groceries which is typically omitted for other calculations.
Since it's tied to the previous year, it's going to be less than the current inflation. Plus, they'll take an even bigger chunk of it right back again for Moldycare.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Since it's tied to the previous year, it's going to be less than the current inflation. Plus, they'll take an even bigger chunk of it right back again for Moldycare.

Yep.
Medicare costs will see a significant hit upwards for those on it.

I’ve seen speculative numbers but they were wide and varied.
Posted By: Clarkm Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Social security just about pays the taxes on our home.
Originally Posted by Clarkm
Social security just about pays the taxes on our home.

Something about that made me chuckle!

Hopefully you’ll have a little left over next year.
Social security increase 10.5% -- Medicare increase 10.5%. Insert Yawn here.
Posted By: skeen Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
2023 Social Security COLA


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Originally Posted by oldhunter49
Social security increase 10.5% -- Medicare increase 10.5%. Insert Yawn here.

They aren’t 1/1 money wise comparisons.
Posted By: joken2 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
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Discussions of a potential rate cut took place as early as January. At the time, HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra said changes could come later in the year; in the recent statement, he made clear the 2022 rates would remain in place.



“We had hoped to achieve this sooner, but CMS [Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services] explains that the options to accomplish this would not be feasible,” Becerra said in the statement, referencing a CMS report on the issue.



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Medicare officially announced in April its decision to cover Aduhlem only in cases where the patient participates in an official clinical trial. This will significantly reduce the number of Medicare beneficiaries eligible for the drug, which reportedly had been priced as high as $56,000 for a year’s worth of treatments – a figure that’s since been cut in half.



Neither HHS nor CMS provided any indications of an expected Part B premium for 2023, nor did they clarify whether any planned rate reduction would equate to a lower premium or simply a lower-than-expected increase, given recent inflation trends.



CMS released information on the 2022 premiums – including income brackets determining premium adjustments – in November 2021.
SocSec increase is the CPI (Consumer Price Index).

The CPI for 2022 was 5.9%.
Inflation at the time, inflation was 8.3%.
That left SocSec recipients 2.4% in the hole.
Current CPI is 10.5%....but I inflation is currently up around 11.5%. That still leaves SocSec recipients 1% down.

A stupid, useless circle.

Two straight years under Obama, SocSec recipients received exactly 0% ... nothing ... nada ... zilch ... zero!!!!
For TWO years!
One year, the SocSec increase was like, .8%.

Yeppers, I know WAY more than I want to!
Don't count schitt on what they propose.

About 5 or 6 weeks ago I came across about 5 to 7 different formula and basis definement calculations the Liberal Socialist Democrats are mulling on the down low.
While Google fu, ing COLA schit in general.

Basically ways on how they can jug fuuuck schit and tie it too new factors or take away from current factors into reducing the COLA rate so it aint as much as it should be.

You all can google it for yourselves.
I seen the schit laid out weeks ago.

Remember these are the people that can mysteriously change the definition of words.
Ones like....
Vaccine
One like
Recession

What makes anyone think they wont change the basis of cola calculations on the down low.

Then Boom ....
Mid oct Cola announcement ain't schit to speak of.
And the sheeple will beleive the explanation of it and how it all has been redefined and how we are doing so well as a nation and basically dont have mean tweets from bad people anymore...

And off course med schit is gonna go up correspondingly with cola.
That's the way the entrenched med system and connected stock holders want it.
It's good ole boy schit set up that way.
Maybe Nancy's old man has stock in a Medicare tongue supressor company. .
Maybe Bytch Mconnel buckethead ole lady has stock in buckethead face mask.
Ect ect ect ...

All of us are already behind on the buying power of the cola from last year.
We were to begin with at the 5.6% or whatever it was..






P.S......

The OP is still a Liberal Socialist Democrat horses azz.
Let's not forget that just because he made a thread that many have a vested interest in on here.

All he did was a Captain cut and paste job anyways...
Azzclown stuff......
Originally Posted by martinstrummer
SocSec increase is the CPI (Consumer Price Index).

The CPI for 2022 was 5.9%.
Inflation at the time, inflation was 8.3%.
That left SocSec recipients 2.4% in the hole.
Current CPI is 10.5%....but I inflation is currently up around 11.5%. That still leaves SocSec recipients 1% down.

A stupid, useless circle.

Two straight years under Obama, SocSec recipients received exactly 0% ... nothing ... nada ... zilch ... zero!!!!
For TWO years!
One year, the SocSec increase was like, .8%.

Yeppers, I know WAY more than I want to!


CPI was the past calculations standard. The new calculations beginning this year includes the costs of fuel and food which were not included in the past.

This is why the increases are so noticeable compared to past ones.
Health insurance raises nearly always eat up any gains.
Originally Posted by reivertom
Health insurance raises nearly always eat up any gains.

They sure ain’t dropping any.

2 choices here:

More costs increases.
Less coverage and care per $.
Gee,with the Tabor refund in Colorado and the increase in SS payments, I might be able to fill up half my truck tank.
Posted By: strikeu Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
same with Military retirement and VA disability...projected big increases.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Gee,with the Tabor refund in Colorado and the increase in SS payments, I might be able to fill up half my truck tank.

Ha. Presuming gas prices dont increase as Houstons hero, the POS Bidet, destroys the O&G industry.
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Gee,with the Tabor refund in Colorado and the increase in SS payments, I might be able to fill up half my truck tank.

Dang!
You’re living high up on the hog!

Did the state of Colorado ever get around to their own state sponsored version of healthcare there?

This would have been along the lines of Romney care in Massachusetts.

There was strong talk about it some years back.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Houston lies and says he ignores me but actually he knows his BS lies cant stand up against the Truth.

Its why Biden, Piglosi, Schumer and the Hoe lie all the time. Its all they've got

The lying pukes flee from the light of truth.
Posted By: hanco Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?
Posted By: hanco Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.
Posted By: Muffin Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.

Mine too!
Posted By: skeen Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.

Isn't that because you paid into STRS, in lieu of paying into Social Security?

That's not .gov, that was negotiated by .edu.
Posted By: NVhntr Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Yes and no. There is a penalty for having a government pension. Government Pension Offset
I was a self employed contractor for 13 years before I took a municipal government job. For those 13 years I paid the full Social Security cost on myself, both sides, employer portion as well as employee portion.
My wife was a Financial Planner so I knew in advance that I was going to get screwed on my S.S. but the gov. pension was worth the penalty.
Social Security is touted as insurance; how would you like to receive only about half of the insurance payout that you purchased?
Posted By: dale06 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
All of us that contributed significantly to SS are getting screwed.I and my employers contributed $500,000 plus for my retirement, over 40 plus years. Calculating a reasonable roi, I’ll never get it back.
Posted By: ConradCA Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
How is this going to effect the financial status of SS? Before Biden it was going to be in the red in 10 years.
Originally Posted by ConradCA
How is this going to effect the financial status of SS? Before Biden it was going to be in the red in 10 years.

How will what effect SS?
Posted By: ribka Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.

sounds painful!!!
Originally Posted by strikeu
same with Military retirement and VA disability...projected big increases.


And Tricare will increase the same amount.
Posted By: skeen Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/29/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.

sounds painful!!!
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Anyone on Medicare with branded prescriptions, if you’re in the donut hole find out if your doc has vouchers for a free month of medication.

And don’t be shy to ask for samples to tide you over.




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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Anyone on Medicare with branded prescriptions, if you’re in the donut hole find out if your doc has vouchers for a free month of medication.

And don’t be shy to ask for samples to tide you over.




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Good advice.
A relative with newly discovered A-Fib got samples of Xeralto from his cardiologist and a 30 day supply coupon which will tide him over until his Express Scripts 90 day supplies takes hold.
Posted By: hanco Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by skeen
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.

Isn't that because you paid into STRS, in lieu of paying into Social Security?

That's not .gov, that was negotiated by .edu.



I paid in for 20 years.
Posted By: EdM Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

My company, Shell, will reduce my pension (not dollar for dollar) when I begin receiving Social Security.
Posted By: hanco Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

My company, Shell, will reduce my pension (not dollar for dollar) when I begin receiving Social Security.

How much?
Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

My company, Shell, will reduce my pension (not dollar for dollar) when I begin receiving Social Security.

Strange.

Is that a part of ECP (Executive Compensation Plan) strategy?
Posted By: WMR Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

My company, Shell, will reduce my pension (not dollar for dollar) when I begin receiving Social Security.

Strange.

Is that a part of ECP (Executive Compensation Plan) strategy?

Sounds like a way to structure a plan to help early retirees when they need it most.
Probably get 1% again, same as for 2022. Didn't get anything 2018 to 2021. Our pension COLA has been limited to 1% since 2014 with any other raises being tied into fund earnings after reaching 80% funded. Funny, it's been 20 years since that goal has been reached.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by oldhunter49
Social security increase 10.5% -- Medicare increase 10.5%. Insert Yawn here.

They aren’t 1/1 money wise comparisons.
Could you translate that, please?
Posted By: gunzo Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Talking the COLA increase in July??

5 more months of clusterfuqk to come?

Nobody thinking...what could happen still?
Posted By: pal Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
This past year they took away my entire prescription benefit because the measly COLA increase to my SS put me in another bracket.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
COLA is tied directly to annual inflation.

So what they are actually doing is predicting 10.5% annual inflation at the end of the fiscal year.

Trying to put lipstick on a pig, as the midterm election draws closer.




And a big increase in Medicare to Pacman any benefit from the SS increase. Smoke and mirrors. Dr. Feelgood nonsense.
Posted By: Muffin Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by cuznguido
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by oldhunter49
Social security increase 10.5% -- Medicare increase 10.5%. Insert Yawn here.

They aren’t 1/1 money wise comparisons.
Could you translate that, please?

SURE:

If your current SS monthly check is $1,000
And your current monthly Medicare bill is $100

Given a 10% Increase on the SSIncome and a 10% increase on Medicare cost....

Results in an overall IN-POCKET increase of $90


Mathman - check me please..... wink
Posted By: Hastings Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by hanco
I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.
sounds painful!!!
Maybe the right spelling considering what's happening. Without KY no less.
Posted By: Muffin Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by hanco
I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.
sounds painful!!!
Maybe the right spelling considering what's happening. Without KY no less.

OH, it's absolutely the correct spelling....

I worked for 10 years, paying into SS..... then worked for 24 NOT paying......

My 10 years SS would get me right at $1200/MO, but it is reduced to near $600 because to the WEP, Windfall Elimination Program..........

My take - I paid into both systems/plans, I should get both.............
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
I have enough, get enough, so whatever the increase turns out to be, it’s just rum and ammo money.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by pal
This past year they took away my entire prescription benefit because the measly COLA increase to my SS put me in another bracket.


Who took it away, your former company or the government? My prescriptions are through my former employer.
Posted By: TBREW401 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Who thinks any SS recipient will see any benefit from this?
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
I netted about $95 per month from the last one.
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Yes and no. There is a penalty for having a government pension. Government Pension Offset
I was a self employed contractor for 13 years before I took a municipal government job. For those 13 years I paid the full Social Security cost on myself, both sides, employer portion as well as employee portion.
My wife was a Financial Planner so I knew in advance that I was going to get screwed on my S.S. but the gov. pension was worth the penalty.
Social Security is touted as insurance; how would you like to receive only about half of the insurance payout that you purchased?

My dad died 3 months before he could retire.
My mother got his "survivor benefit".
Mom worked outside the home for something like 50 years.
When she turned 65 and attempted to draw SocSec, she was informed she could continue with dad's benefits OR draw SocSec! NOT BOTH!
Since dad's benefits paid quite a bit more, it only made since to continue with dad's!
Mom died in Feb 2020 at 98 years of age.
For 40+ years of paying into SocSec, she drew not ONE RED CENT!!!!!
Dad paid into a private retirement fund for over 40 years.
Mom paid into SocSec for over 40 years.
Doesn't matter if you deposit into a checking account or a savings account, ALL the money is still yours!

Yeah, I'm bitter! My.mother struggled the last 33 years of her life. Even with 3 kids pitching in to help where we could.
No, I'll never forget!
No, it won't make 10 cents worth of difference....to anyone!

I know we'd never see it and it would be a waste of time, money and energy, but I think us three kids should receive her SocSec contributions.
Yeah, I know it will never happen.
Originally Posted by Muffin
Originally Posted by cuznguido
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by oldhunter49
Social security increase 10.5% -- Medicare increase 10.5%. Insert Yawn here.

They aren’t 1/1 money wise comparisons.
Could you translate that, please?

SURE:

If your current SS monthly check is $1,000
And your current monthly Medicare bill is $100

Given a 10% Increase on the SSIncome and a 10% increase on Medicare cost....

Results in an overall IN-POCKET increase of $90


Mathman - check me please..... wink

Thank you.
Originally Posted by TBREW401
Who thinks any SS recipient will see any benefit from this?

I believe that SS recipients will see the proposed increases but the real wild card would seem to be the Medicare increase amounts to be determined.
This goverment COLA raise just doesnt give SS a raise. The raise is tied to other pensions (military), annuities (retired fed gov employees) and VA disability benefits.
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
This goverment COLA raise just doesnt give SS a raise. The raise is tied to other pensions (military), annuities (retired fed gov employees) and VA disability benefits.

Not sure about that, Snowwolfe.

I believe that those affairs are handled separately from SS and are decreed by Congress on an annual basis or as directed by the president.

I could be wrong but I’ve not yet read from any source that says that the 2 entities move in lock step together, dollar for dollar increases.
Posted By: Huntz Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by martinstrummer
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Yes and no. There is a penalty for having a government pension. Government Pension Offset
I was a self employed contractor for 13 years before I took a municipal government job. For those 13 years I paid the full Social Security cost on myself, both sides, employer portion as well as employee portion.
My wife was a Financial Planner so I knew in advance that I was going to get screwed on my S.S. but the gov. pension was worth the penalty.
Social Security is touted as insurance; how would you like to receive only about half of the insurance payout that you purchased?

My dad died 3 months before he could retire.
My mother got his "survivor benefit".
Mom worked outside the home for something like 50 years.
When she turned 65 and attempted to draw SocSec, she was informed she could continue with dad's benefits OR draw SocSec! NOT BOTH!
Since dad's benefits paid quite a bit more, it only made since to continue with dad's!

Mom died in Feb 2020 at 98 years of age.
For 40+ years of paying into SocSec, she drew not ONE RED CENT!!!!!
Dad paid into a private retirement fund for over 40 years.
Mom paid into SocSec for over 40 years.
Doesn't matter if you deposit into a checking account or a savings account, ALL the money is still yours!

Yeah, I'm bitter! My.mother struggled the last 33 years of her life. Even with 3 kids pitching in to help where we could.
No, I'll never forget!
No, it won't make 10 cents worth of difference....to anyone!

I know we'd never see it and it would be a waste of time, money and energy, but I think us three kids should receive her SocSec contributions.
Yeah, I know it will never happen.
I think the survivor benefit is drawn from SSI.It is the higher of the two.That is why you can`t get both.
Posted By: pal Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by pal
This past year they took away my entire prescription benefit because the measly COLA increase to my SS put me in another bracket.


Who took it away, your former company or the government?...

My healthcare is through the Veterans Administration; they took away my prescription benefit because the small COLA increase bumped me into a higher bracket.
Social Security!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


The American Sacred Cow.

Welfare for the worked!



Pensions, 401, savings.........
COLA, COLA, COLA, COLA,
"My Medicare ate my COLA!"

Wealthiest demographic in the country!


Retired, time on their hands while employers are begging for help.
HINT!


Meanwhile, 30 year olds are saving to buy a house, raise kids,
(all stuff the old folks did, admittedly) with real estate sky rocketing,
gas (necessary work fuel) $4.50/gal, and they might get
A 3% raise.

They damn sure won't get COLA.
The geezers did back in the day. Still do on SS.

It's long gone for working folks.
Someone mentioned COLA at work yesterday, most
didn't know what it meant. 50 and younger have never
benefited from it. We get little raises and stuff just gets harder to buy.


"These young kids today", the ones readers whine about, they be
the ones feeding the COLA.

Funny, no one seems to talk about them.


Wanna talk Medicare costs.

Let's compare my payroll deductions, deductibles, out of pocket,
prescription costs.....


Not ignoring the plight of some seniors. Personally know several
who are stuck squeezing the nickel. Used to buy heating oil
for one as a Christmas present. Most who are crying, aren't
denying themselves anything of substance to pay rent.
"... I think the survivor benefit is drawn from SSI.It is the higher of the two.That is why you can`t get both. ..."

Nope. Dad's retirement was through a private corporation not tied to SocSec.
The retirement system used Gov't numbers to regulate their funding. CPI linked raises, etc.

"... you can't get both ..."

She isn't entitled to what she paid in?
After 40+ years of marriage and supporting him, she isn't entitled to what he paid in?

What the Gov't is basically saying is even if my parents contributed separately to different retirement savings accounts, she can only have the proceeds of one account!

It's basically the Gov't
If you have a private account, you can't have SocSec and vice versa.

P.S. - I'm in the same boat. I paid into a private retirement fund and into SocSec.
Per SocSec. I can only draw from one or the other. Not both. My SocSec should pay me about $600 month. Would help my private funds go ALOT further!
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
This goverment COLA raise just doesnt give SS a raise. The raise is tied to other pensions (military), annuities (retired fed gov employees) and VA disability benefits.

Not sure about that, Snowwolfe.

I believe that those affairs are handled separately from SS and are decreed by Congress on an annual basis or as directed by the president.

I could be wrong but I’ve not yet read from any source that says that the 2 entities move in lock step together, dollar for dollar increases.

I can tell you based on past years including the last COLA raise in Dec 2021 that everything I mentioned received the same % raise. There are a lot of people here receiving military pensions, fed gov annuities, and VA disability. If what I posted was incorrect they would of said something.
Martin,
It won't help, but my comment about "welfare for the worked"
wasn't entirely in jest. It is fact, going back to the origin of SS.

At that point in time, retirement wasn't something many people did.
They worked as long as they could, then became a burden to their
family or ended up in "County Homes".

Few ever could travel, vacation, lounge. Old or young.

People worked at jobs.
WORKED.
Movement, sweat, blood. Not time spent at a position.

SS was intended to allow someone in their 60s, old at that time and
possibly unable to continue with hard work productively, the ability
to survive with some dignity. Until they died. In a few years.


The whole system has become bastardizec and abused.
Money misused, programs added.....

People now retire simply because they don't want to work anymore.
As young as 62, then draw money for 20-30 years.

To sell the tax, and get folks on board, it was promoted like a retirement
benefit. That should have never been allowed to happen. It should
have been kept as "Relief". Left the stigma attatched, and used it to
help the poor old folks. Taxes could have been kept low, those who
need it could could have been better helped.

Someone gonna call me a socialist or communist over this.

Well...

Whadda ya think the Social part means?
Taking money from those working, (against their will)
giving it to others? Hmmm.



Whole thing has gotten corrupted.
You have pensioners getting penalized by SS.

Meanwhile, there are undoubtedly CEOs collecting max SS
while earning multiple million$/year. Getting taxed 6.2% for SS
but only on the first $100k.

And the young guy gets hit 6.2% on every nickel, 12.4% if he
is self employed.


Government!
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
This goverment COLA raise just doesnt give SS a raise. The raise is tied to other pensions (military), annuities (retired fed gov employees) and VA disability benefits.

Not sure about that, Snowwolfe.

I believe that those affairs are handled separately from SS and are decreed by Congress on an annual basis or as directed by the president.

I could be wrong but I’ve not yet read from any source that says that the 2 entities move in lock step together, dollar for dollar increases.

I can tell you based on past years including the last COLA raise in Dec 2021 that everything I mentioned received the same % raise. There are a lot of people here receiving military pensions, fed gov annuities, and VA disability. If what I posted was incorrect they would of said something.

I didn’t say that you were wrong. I said that the government pensions and SS are handled separately and I believe that is correct.

If you’ve read anything - current - about the proposed SS increases being the exact same as that for government type pensions I’d like to read that too other than just Campfire speculation.

Again, I’ve read no correlation between the two separate entities that tied government pensions increases amounts to that which is now being proposed for SS only.

You would think that the increases would parallel or mirror each other in % increases, though.
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by pal
This past year they took away my entire prescription benefit because the measly COLA increase to my SS put me in another bracket.


Who took it away, your former company or the government?...

My healthcare is through the Veterans Administration; they took away my prescription benefit because the small COLA increase bumped me into a higher bracket.



Geez. That sucks. Sorry to hear, pal.
What they're doing is trying to buy our senior vote with this petty insignificant COLA.

If they tripled mine I'd still vote against 90% of the rat bastards.

They just recently gave themselves HUGE raises.
Originally Posted by pal
My healthcare is through the Veterans Administration; they took away my prescription benefit because the small COLA increase bumped me into a higher bracket.

Through TriCare?

100% of your Prescription Benefit Pal?
Posted By: Muffin Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
I receive both a Civil Service and SS benefit....... the COLA will 'attack' both....
Posted By: pal Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
Originally Posted by SCRooster
Originally Posted by pal
My healthcare is through the Veterans Administration; they took away my prescription benefit because the small COLA increase bumped me into a higher bracket.

Through TriCare?

100% of your Prescription Benefit Pal?

They eliminated 100% of my prescription benefit due to this last COL increase (which did not even come close to making up for inflation alone).
Posted By: cra1948 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/30/22
You guys make me feel guilty…almost, not quite. I get a pretty decent SS benefit each month and a pretty decent pension. I retired with a lifetime, no cost to me, great health insurance plan that, beginning when I was Medicare eligible, reimburses me every July 1 for the Medicare premiums deducted from my SS. (This year it was enough to push my tuck money account over what I needed for that new Benelli sporting clays gun.)

I am between jobs now but have a couple possibilities I’m looking at. At 74 I sometimes want to work and sometimes don’t. One thing that surprised when I reached the “work without penalty “ SS age, was that whenever I left a job, sometime down the road I’d get a notice that my SS benefit was increased due to my additional employment. I didn’t think that happened, but apparently it did. Always kind of rubbed me wrong, seeing that SS deduction on my pay stubs and thinking it wouldn’t do me any good.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Social Security!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


The American Sacred Cow.

Welfare for the worked!



Pensions, 401, savings.........
COLA, COLA, COLA, COLA,
"My Medicare ate my COLA!"

Wealthiest demographic in the country!


Retired, time on their hands while employers are begging for help.
HINT!


Meanwhile, 30 year olds are saving to buy a house, raise kids,
(all stuff the old folks did, admittedly) with real estate sky rocketing,
gas (necessary work fuel) $4.50/gal, and they might get
A 3% raise.

They damn sure won't get COLA.
The geezers did back in the day. Still do on SS.

It's long gone for working folks.
Someone mentioned COLA at work yesterday, most
didn't know what it meant. 50 and younger have never
benefited from it. We get little raises and stuff just gets harder to buy.


"These young kids today", the ones readers whine about, they be
the ones feeding the COLA.

Funny, no one seems to talk about them.


Wanna talk Medicare costs.

Let's compare my payroll deductions, deductibles, out of pocket,
prescription costs.....


Not ignoring the plight of some seniors. Personally know several
who are stuck squeezing the nickel. Used to buy heating oil
for one as a Christmas present. Most who are crying, aren't
denying themselves anything of substance to pay rent.

Sounds like someone needs some cheese with their whine....

30 years olds buying a house - same as what was going on since 1945.
COLA, Don't know what it means. Really!! Sounds like a bunch of dumbasses, or youngsters, are working with your outfit.
You get little raises? Go work somewhere else or realize that lots of us did not get raises every year. And, yes we could have gone elsewhere or whined about it. Most generally do not whine about it though.
Feeding COLA - damn it has been this way for a long time. Perhaps profits and increased sales feed the COLA.
And, damn, lets talk about your payroll deductions, deductible, out of pocket, prescription costs like none of us have been thru that [bleep].

Tell you what, take all of your Social Security deductions and employer social security match and post them to a spreadsheet with an interest rate of your choice. You will be damned surprised to see what that adds up to for 50+ years of contributions. Then let us know if you believe you will get it all back in Social Security Benefits. Odd are you won't and you will not think of it as "Welfare for the worked" anymore.
I’m in the same boat. Sucks....


Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by Snowwolfe
Originally Posted by hanco
I wish they would do way with the penalty for those of us that have pensions. That 500.00 a month would help.

I have a pension and get my full social security. What are you referring to?


I have teachers retirement, our SS gets penisalized.
Originally Posted by Muffin
I receive both a Civil Service and SS benefit....... the COLA will 'attack' both....


That’s good to hear.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Social Security!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


The American Sacred Cow.

Welfare for the worked!



Pensions, 401, savings.........
COLA, COLA, COLA, COLA,
"My Medicare ate my COLA!"

Wealthiest demographic in the country!


Retired, time on their hands while employers are begging for help.
HINT!


Meanwhile, 30 year olds are saving to buy a house, raise kids,
(all stuff the old folks did, admittedly) with real estate sky rocketing,
gas (necessary work fuel) $4.50/gal, and they might get
A 3% raise.

They damn sure won't get COLA.
The geezers did back in the day. Still do on SS.

It's long gone for working folks.
Someone mentioned COLA at work yesterday, most
didn't know what it meant. 50 and younger have never
benefited from it. We get little raises and stuff just gets harder to buy.


"These young kids today", the ones readers whine about, they be
the ones feeding the COLA.

Funny, no one seems to talk about them.


Wanna talk Medicare costs.

Let's compare my payroll deductions, deductibles, out of pocket,
prescription costs.....


Not ignoring the plight of some seniors. Personally know several
who are stuck squeezing the nickel. Used to buy heating oil
for one as a Christmas present. Most who are crying, aren't
denying themselves anything of substance to pay rent.

Sounds like someone needs some cheese with their whine....

30 years olds buying a house - same as what was going on since 1945.
COLA, Don't know what it means. Really!! Sounds like a bunch of dumbasses, or youngsters, are working with your outfit.
You get little raises? Go work somewhere else or realize that lots of us did not get raises every year. And, yes we could have gone elsewhere or whined about it. Most generally do not whine about it though.
Feeding COLA - damn it has been this way for a long time. Perhaps profits and increased sales feed the COLA.
And, damn, lets talk about your payroll deductions, deductible, out of pocket, prescription costs like none of us have been thru that [bleep].

Tell you what, take all of your Social Security deductions and employer social security match and post them to a spreadsheet with an interest rate of your choice. You will be damned surprised to see what that adds up to for 50+ years of contributions. Then let us know if you believe you will get it all back in Social Security Benefits. Odd are you won't and you will not think of it as "Welfare for the worked" anymore.


You didn't understand a word.

Why would young workers know much about COLA.
It has been gone from working people for 20-30 years.
And like many, they aren't well read/informed.

Small raises?
Look at the average American wage compared to inflation over the
last 30 years.

Insurance $$$. You turned it around and made MY point, but are
too self absorbed to see it. I hear retired folks crying about
Medicare and supplementary. And it does cost money.
But it's no different than what everyone working is facing.
And probably not as bad. But you don't hear workers cry near as
much.

The return on SS tax?
You didn't understand one thing.

It's not a retirement program!

Was intended as welfare for old folks that couldn't do the labor
of that day. And most were to be dead before 70.

There was never an intended return. Just as welfare doesn't provide
any return at all. We pay. Supposedly, those down on their luck
get a helping hand.


I've been paying SS at 5%+ my whole life.
Can't draw the maximum until over 67, and may never see that.
Will likely never get what my miney would have equaled if invested.
Unless, I were to become disabled. And darn sure don't want that.

Welfare for the worked?
If I were disabled? That's exactly what it would be.

If retired. Able bodied, quit because I didn't want to work anymore?
Then I'd be tapping a social program to get money to allow me
to sit at home.

That's the way it's setup. If things work out well, I'll get there.
My opinion won't change. And i dont intend to rely on SS.
By then, it may be means tested.
Posted By: dale06 Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 07/31/22
Houston 2, your last sentence re means tested, I’ve expected that for a long time. I think that will happen eventually.
Originally Posted by dale06
Houston 2, your last sentence re means tested, I’ve expected that for a long time. I think that will happen eventually.

Dale in a manner of speaking it is already in effect. An example that I’m very familiar with is let your AGI exceed 200k$/yr and watch what happens to the cost of your Medicare deduction from your SS payments.

Supposedly if you drop below the 200K$ AGI it goes back to the normal deduction amount.
Posted By: Muffin Re: 2023 Social Security COLA - 08/11/22
Originally Posted by SCRooster
What they're doing is trying to buy our senior vote with this petty insignificant COLA.

If they tripled mine I'd still vote against 90% of the rat bastards.

They just recently gave themselves HUGE raises.

AND, Congress is paid and retire 'Federally', a pension AND SS...... so

If inflation sucks THEY get a raise, if they are not yet retired the raise is 'waiting' on them when they retire.............

MAYBE, just maybe, if inflation sucks they should get a cut, they hold the reins......
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Since it's tied to the previous year, it's going to be less than the current inflation. Plus, they'll take an even bigger chunk of it right back again for Moldycare.

correct on both points. Dammit.
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