There is a place and time for the citizens to take up arms against their government.
The Jews had every moral right to fight for their lives in Europe when the Nazis were slaughtering them by the millions.
Every citizen of an occupied nation was right to combat the new German government.
But only a lunatic would advocate initiating combat against US Armed Forces simply because his views are becoming unpopular among the population at large.
A repeal of the 2'nd will not happen this year or next. My personal prediction is, the 2'nd Amendment might have another fifty years left in it.
But as more lunatics squawk about armed insurrection, the 2'nd amendment becomes less and less popular.
The 18'th Amendment was presented by Congress on 12-18-1917. It was ratified and became law less than 13 months later on 1-16-1919.
The 21'st Amendment, to repeal the 18'th, was presented 2-20-1933. And ratified less than ten months later on 12-5-1933.
Once the tide of public opinion has turned among the majority of American voters. It might take less than a year to repeal the 2'nd Amendment.
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The Jews had every moral right to fight for their lives in Europe when the Nazis were slaughtering them by the millions.
Congrats, you got a square.
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It takes 38 states to enact an amendment. It only takes 12 small red states to block it. That applies whether it's passed by congress or by a convention of the states.
The Equal Rights Amend failed to get enough states before the deadline set by congress. Several states have approved it since the deadline to get it over the 38 but it's a dead issue unless congress tries again. Idaho initially passed it before really looking at it. Then they voted to rescind the vote. Some from liberal states say a state can't change it's mind but the constitution doesn't say that.
If repealing the 2d ever gets into congress, you can bet that they won't set a deadline this time. They'll keep alive for 100 years if necessary.
The country doesn't have 50 years left in it as we know it and we'll all be dead before then. But thanks for the Debbie Downer post of the day!
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
Got any references to support your assertion that the 2nd amendment is losing popularity? After Heller and New York, firearms liberties are at the highest level they’ve been since Jefferson was President.
Wouldn't it be refreshing if think, think, think took place before talk, talk, talk?
Just for arguments sake, say they overturn the 2nd amendment....then what are they going to do?
Wouldn't it be refreshing if think, think, think took place before talk, talk, talk?
Those who know the least know it the loudest.
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
Got any references to support your assertion that the 2nd amendment is losing popularity? After Heller and New York, firearms liberties are at the highest level they’ve been since Jefferson was President.
Read between the lines of the 2'nd and 3'rd post in this thread. And a whole lot more on this august forum.
Give our media and school system another twenty years of indoctrination. Let 90% of the guys participating on this forum, and others like it, die. Then you can poll the remaining Americans and see just how important they judge the 2'nd in its current form.
Just for arguments sake, say they overturn the 2nd amendment....then what are they going to do?
The same thing the liberal scum did in every other nation on Earth after they outlawed private ownership of weapons.
They killed those who did not comply. And those who did not own weapons, or did comply said they had it coming.
Just for arguments sake, say they overturn the 2nd amendment....then what are they going to do?
The same thing the liberal scum did in every other nation on Earth after they outlawed private ownership of weapons.
They killed those who did not comply. And those who did not own weapons, or did comply said they had it coming.
I doubt they would be able to carry that out...like they did in days past.
I doubt they would be able to carry that out...like they did in days past.
Why not?
I doubt they would be able to carry that out...like they did in days past.
Why not?
Gun owners tend to be more in touch with history than non-gun owners. Just my opinion. I’m not giving them up. Are you?
The Jews had every moral right to fight for their lives in Europe when the Nazis were slaughtering them by the millions.
Congrats, you got a square.
Speaking of lunatic fringe.
I doubt they would be able to carry that out...like they did in days past.
Why not?
I am not going to the gallows without a fight, are you?
Communication is better, faster today then back then. (Even with the crap on social media)
The country doesn't have 50 years left in it as we know it and we'll all be dead before then. But thanks for the Debbie Downer post of the day!
Our once great nation, our Constitutional Republic,
is rotting from within. Just like every other great and small nation has throughout history.
From. Within.
L.W.
There is a place and time for the citizens to take up arms against their government.
The Jews had every moral right to fight for their lives in Europe when the Nazis were slaughtering them by the millions.
Every citizen of an occupied nation was right to combat the new German government.
But only a lunatic would advocate initiating combat against US Armed Forces simply because his views are becoming unpopular among the population at large.
A repeal of the 2'nd will not happen this year or next. My personal prediction is, the 2'nd Amendment might have another fifty years left in it.
But as more lunatics squawk about armed insurrection, the 2'nd amendment becomes less and less popular.
The 18'th Amendment was presented by Congress on 12-18-1917. It was ratified and became law less than 13 months later on 1-16-1919.
The 21'st Amendment, to repeal the 18'th, was presented 2-20-1933. And ratified less than ten months later on 12-5-1933.
Once the tide of public opinion has turned among the majority of American voters. It might take less than a year to repeal the 2'nd Amendment.
So you are all Patriotic now after advocating for lock downs and jab mandates ? GTFOH
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
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The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
.
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
Those in charge will just call you a terrorist. That's all they need for a check in the box.
They’re figuring if they can voluntarily get millions to put a diaper on their face then they can repeat it with guns.
I think the mask mandates enlightened a lot of people about the true condition of their freedom. Ergo the record gun sales of items that peasants shouldn't have.
Nice to see OP will bend over and take it.
There is a big difference between enacting a new amendment (18th..your reference) and repealing that amendment later (21st). The 2nd Amendment is part of our Bill of Rights. That makes it an integral part of what makes our country unique. These first ten amendments are rights that we the people are guaranteed. At some point there may be severe restrictions as to where we the people can exorcise those rights, but in order for our republic to survive, those rights must remain sacrosanct. If not, we will no long remain a United States.
Gun owners tend to be more in touch with history than non-gun owners.
I don't find that to be the case.
I am not going to the gallows without a fight, are you?
Communication is better, faster today then back then. (Even with the crap on social media)
I wouldn't "go to the gallows" without a fight, but that isn't what the post I replied to suggested.
Communication is better, faster today then back then. (Even with the crap on social media)
Faceberg is not going to allow you to organize an effective resistance using their service. If you mean cell phones, nor will those carriers. What comms do you think will be useful?
Once the tide of public opinion has turned among the majority of American voters. It might take less than a year to repeal the 2'nd Amendment.
If they repealed the 1st Amendment, would you stop talking? Same thing IMO - repealing the 2nd wouldn't nullify it, it would enhance it.
[quote=alwaysoutdoors]So you are all Patriotic now after advocating for lock downs and jab mandates ? GTFOH[quote]
You are usually not worth the bother of a reply. But I will make an exception this one time.
You have not a clue, again, of that which you speaK.
There are lots of ways to communicate, they can't shut it all down. Hell, we could go to CB, GMRS, Shortwave, flucking smoke signals I don't care, I ain't giving up a flucking thing!
What we will need to do is go after those that oppose, in power. And yes, the gallows will be fine for them!
There is a big difference between enacting a new amendment (18th..your reference) and repealing that amendment later (21st). The 2nd Amendment is part of our Bill of Rights. That makes it an integral part of what makes our country unique. These first ten amendments are rights that we the people are guaranteed. At some point there may be severe restrictions as to where we the people can exorcise those rights, but in order for our republic to survive, those rights must remain sacrosanct. If not, we will no long remain a United States.
There is no part of the Constitution immune to amendment and/or repeal. All it takes is approval by 38 states.
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
.
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
Those in charge will just call you a terrorist. That's all they need for a check in the box.
Exactly........local, state, and federal police agencies, as well.
remember when Clinton strapped guns and badges on all those USFS and BLM employees. If rumors are true, it sounds like they are set to do the same to IRS employees.
Not one of the traitors has been hanged or put in prison. They are still in DC destroying America and lining their pockets with gold.
There is a place and time for the citizens to take up arms against their government.
The Jews had every moral right to fight for their lives in Europe when the Nazis were slaughtering them by the millions.
Every citizen of an occupied nation was right to combat the new German government.
But only a lunatic would advocate initiating combat against US Armed Forces simply because his views are becoming unpopular among the population at large.
A repeal of the 2'nd will not happen this year or next. My personal prediction is, the 2'nd Amendment might have another fifty years left in it.
But as more lunatics squawk about armed insurrection, the 2'nd amendment becomes less and less popular.
The 18'th Amendment was presented by Congress on 12-18-1917. It was ratified and became law less than 13 months later on 1-16-1919.
The 21'st Amendment, to repeal the 18'th, was presented 2-20-1933. And ratified less than ten months later on 12-5-1933.
Once the tide of public opinion has turned among the majority of American voters. It might take less than a year to repeal the 2'nd Amendment.
The Second Amendment is more than a mere amendment to the Constitution. It's foundational to the legitimacy of the government the Constitution brought into existence, absent which (therefore) said government ceases to be legitimate. You see, the reason it's not a mere amendment is that it's actually one of the ten planks of the Bill of Rights, absent which the Constitution would not have been ratified in the first place, i.e., it was ratified on the condition that a Bill of Rights would be attached, which stipulation all parties agreed to, one of which plank was required to have been a statement regarding the right of the people to keep and bear arms being inviolate. The amendment process was merely the method by which they chose to attach the Bill of Rights to the Constitution.
The second amendment is a direct result of the last time the govt tried to take guns away from Americans.
The Second Amendment is more than a mere amendment to the Constitution. It's foundational to the legitimacy of the government the Constitution brought into existence, absent which (therefore) said government ceases to be legitimate. You see, the reason it's not a mere amendment is that it's actually one of the ten planks of the Bill of Rights, absent which the Constitution would not have been ratified in the first place, i.e., it was ratified on the condition that a Bill of Rights would be attached, which stipulation all parties agreed to, one of which plank was required to have been a statement regarding the right of the people to keep and bear arms being inviolate. The amendment process was merely the method by which they chose to attach the Bill of Rights to the Constitution.
So, is it your contention that the "Bill of Rights" is immune somehow from being amended?
Care to expound on the legal theory behind that?
Because actually, even the content of Article 1 has been amended.
The Second Amendment is more than a mere amendment to the Constitution. It's foundational to the legitimacy of the government the Constitution brought into existence, absent which (therefore) said government ceases to be legitimate. You see, the reason it's not a mere amendment is that it's actually one of the ten planks of the Bill of Rights, absent which the Constitution would not have been ratified in the first place, i.e., it was ratified on the condition that a Bill of Rights would be attached, which stipulation all parties agreed to, one of which plank was required to have been a statement regarding the right of the people to keep and bear arms being inviolate. The amendment process was merely the method by which they chose to attach the Bill of Rights to the Constitution.
So, is it your contention that the "Bill of Rights" is immune somehow from being amended?
Care to expound on the legal theory behind that?
Fully explained above. Read it again.
Why would they bother repealing the second amendment? Biden went to Pennsylvania and openly called for an assault weapons ban a day or two ago. A crowd of retarded suburban moms howled for joy when he did so.
They won't repeal the 2A. They will just interpret it to allow whatever restrictions they want. And the soccer moms and other morons will back them up.
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
.
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
At 19 I vowed to Protect and Defend Blah blah blah, I was going in the Army to grow up and get some skills training (Radio Communication) I couldn't tell you, at the time about the Constitution, etc... YEARS later I went to visit Philadelphia and Carpenter's Hall and that's where I learned the meaning of true patriotism.
The guys enlisting take the oath, but do they really understand what they're doing?
Like the street punks always saying "On my life..." when lying about something.
The left calls the constitution a living, breathing document. Anything that lives and breathes can also be choked to death.
I have always heard “as California goes, so goes the nation.”
Over the last 50 years it appears to be generally true.
What would California do to the 2nd, if it could?
The left calls the constitution a living, breathing document. Anything that lives and breathes can also be choked to death.
They also think there is unlimited genders and that biological males can have babies, so there is that.
Sri Lanka has no Second Amendment, yet they walked in and threw the bums out and jumped in the pool. Globalism is actually failing. The dollar is dying as we experience its sudden depreciation at the pump, in the grocery store and everywhere else. The Empire is bankrupt and toothless abroad. Sanctions favoring Ukraine are enriching Russia, while driving Germany especially into a stronger economic union with Russia. It's natural and inevitable; technology plus limitless resources and labor. Pax Americana depends upon brainwashed masses at home. About half are gullible if not stupidly compliant. However, millions of voters have quietly switched to Republican, as if that's a solution. Unless the 2020 election is openly declared fraudulent and the register and counting apparatus is secured and kept honest, the future ones will be irrelevant. This is not in "Their" interest. FBI may have just committed accidental suicide. Home schooling is on the rise and some people are waking up. Many are reordering their economic practices to preserve their own. There's a glimmer of hope. Second Amendment is irrelevant to a spiritual and intellectual revolt. Things fall apart. Let's go, Brandon!
Rights don’t come from the Constitution. Rights are natural. The right doesn’t cease to exist if government refuses to recognize it.
Following law doesn’t make you moral or ethical. All things legal aren’t ethical, nor things against the law unethical.
Be prepared to recognize that our government is not our friend and you may have to operate outside the law at some point. At some point, we may be forced to have a revolution. It is your duty as an American citizen to overthrow the government when it becomes tyrannical.
Rights don’t come from the Constitution. Rights are natural. The right doesn’t cease to exist if government refuses to recognize it.
Following law doesn’t make you moral or ethical. All things legal aren’t ethical, nor things against the law unethical.
Be prepared to recognize that our government is not our friend and you may have to operate outside the law at some point. At some point, we may be forced to have a revolution. It is your duty as an American citizen to overthrow the government when it becomes tyrannical.
40% of Americans think that a civil war in the US is more likely than not within the next 10 years. Over half of Republicans feel that way.
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
How many in congress and the POTUS took the same vow and look at how they follow it.
When the SHF happens, The armed forces will follow the POTUS, Commander in Chief, because they will be of the same ilk.Look at the murder of the Jan 6 participant by the capital police. The FBI will follow the same.
Rights don’t come from the Constitution. Rights are natural. The right doesn’t cease to exist if government refuses to recognize it.
Following law doesn’t make you moral or ethical. All things legal aren’t ethical, nor things against the law unethical.
Be prepared to recognize that our government is not our friend and you may have to operate outside the law at some point. At some point, we may be forced to have a revolution. It is your duty as an American citizen to overthrow the government when it becomes tyrannical.
Well said Sir!
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
How many in congress and the POTUS took the same vow and look at how they follow it.
When the SHF happens, The armed forces will follow the POTUS, Commander in Chief, because they will be of the same ilk.Look at the murder of the Jan 6 participant by the capital police. The FBI will follow the same.
Most of them in congress are there for monetary gain. Somehow congressmen and senators get very rich on their salaries. Those in the military certainly are NOT there to get rich. It's a completely different attitude.
The left calls the constitution a living, breathing document. Anything that lives and breathes can also be choked to death.
Certainly true and good point about why the left holds that view!
So, is it your contention that the "Bill of Rights" is immune somehow from being amended?
Care to expound on the legal theory behind that?
Because actually, even the content of Article 1 has been amended.
Just where was the 1st Amendment amended?
I was not asked, but I will reply, the Bill of rights is help out f the hands of government, they are in fact sacrosanct. The only way the government can overtake them is for the general public to be lazy and sit on their hands instead of changing the government as is their Right to do.
The Federal government is enjoined from denying you your Right to keep and bear arms. since 2015 the States have been enjoined from that as well, we are all just pussies and allow an overarching group of self absorbed rulers to hold sway over all of us instead of running their rear ends out of town.
I am ashamed that we are even discussing removing the 2nd, for any who would be amenable to that, GFY.
Article 1 and the First Amendment are two different things. Article 1 is about the powers of Congress, and is not in the Bill of Rights.
Ah, good. Somebody gets it. With no shutdown, every city in the nation would have looked like New York.
And in that kind of crisis, nobody would have been poking their head out of doors anyway.
It is a world wide pandemic. Without mediation efforts, it would have been equivalent to 1918-1919. The economy was going in the toilet regardless of what action we took. Shutdowns at least mediated the initial spread of the virus, and gave us some control over that slide into the toilet.
We have a damned long way to go before we are out of this quagmire. Viable treatment protocols will take much of the pain out of the situation.
LMAO
Wonder how many members here have a copy of the US Constitution and the Federal Papers and have read both?
Wonder how many members here have a copy of the US Constitution and the Federal Papers and have read both?
I have, and the Anti-federalist papers too. I also have read all three iterations of the TN Constitution, and no one pays any attention to it either.
Good to see I'm not the only one with a recurring earworm from the thread title.
Who’s advocating initiating combat against the US Armed Forces?
.
The armed forces all vowed to uphold the constitution.Shooting at or disarming the citizenry isn't going to fly with them.
Didn't seem to bother MacArthur, Patton and Eisenhower when Hoover sent them against the bonus army WW1 vets.
Rights don’t come from the Constitution. Rights are natural. The right doesn’t cease to exist if government refuses to recognize it.
Following law doesn’t make you moral or ethical. All things legal aren’t ethical, nor things against the law unethical.
Be prepared to recognize that our government is not our friend and you may have to operate outside the law at some point. At some point, we may be forced to have a revolution. It is your duty as an American citizen to overthrow the government when it becomes tyrannical.
40% of Americans think that a civil war in the US is more likely than not within the next 10 years. Over half of Republicans feel that way.
Unfortunately, a Civil War implies something altogether different than a Revolution. I just wonder, what the sides will be and who will prove victorious.
Harvard, Yale and Mordor on the Potomac where they all live after they’ve left the Dorms..
Roll Them or They Roll You