Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
Even GOD is calling you a liar. GOD is moving. HE is taking the Nazi World Order down. Always liked you on TV, John.
Forget the admonition about fighting the Fed. Remember the Admonition about fighting GOD. You and your Zelensky pukes are screwed.
Don't push your luck, Dumbfughk.
LOL.
If you think of it like a war then Ukraine is kicking murdering raping Orc Azz.
It might help you to think of it as a race to the Russian border then your murdering Orc heros have a bit of chance of some of them getting there before Ukraine.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
Even GOD is calling you a liar. GOD is moving. HE is taking the Nazi World Order down. Always liked you on TV, John.
Forget the admonition about fighting the Fed. Remember the Admonition about fighting GOD. You and your Zelensky pukes are screwed.
Don't push your luck, Dumbfughk.
LOL.
If you think of it like a war then Ukraine is kicking murdering raping Orc Azz.
It might help you to think of it as a race to the Russian border then your murdering Orc heros have a bit of chance of some of them getting there before Ukraine.
Just sayin it's all about the FRAMING.
Ohhhh, scchitt. Jag’s in the bottle again and has gone to the pulpit with Scripture in hand!!
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and just how did you you acquire all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and you acquired all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
I acquired my knowledge the same as all aquired knowledge.
The Good Guys are winning and the Orcs are Dying, or running and then dying tired.
Obviously you chuckleheads don't have an coherent argument and go to your standard personel attack.
It's not like you don't have a long history of such schitty behavior, it your standard rebuttal.
Gettting you Azz kicked on facts go personal.
If you throw a dollar for every one of your misspellings, syntax errors, and poor punctuation into a jar you would be able to afford to give away one of those scheit rifles you peddle.
Obviously you chuckleheads don't have an coherent argument and go to your standard personel attack.
It's not like you don't have a long history of such schitty behavior, it your standard rebuttal.
Gettting you Azz kicked on facts go personal.
If you throw a dollar for every one of your misspellings, syntax errors, and poor punctuation into a jar you would be able to afford to give away one of those scheit rifles you peddle.
Minute of Potato!
So what you are sayin is if I spel a few word wrong and make a few mistakes you will quote me?
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit political games. Russians killing Russians is about how I see this one since Ukrainians don’t feel a special kinship with us, they’d have no reservations going to battle against us (theoretically), besides..we can’t understand them anyway since they all speak Russian or some bastardization of Russian.
I don’t want us to send 1 more dollar though so it might be time for some other Pom Pom wavers for Ukraine 🇺🇦 to step up and foot the bill for the next 7 months. Rah rah slava Ukraine and all the other requisite social signaling bullshit. Lolol
*IF* Ukranian forces actually did has a successful offensive it can only mean one thing.
Americans and Western Europeans are "boots on the ground" in Ukraine.
I believe you’re right.
Someone is training the Ukraine forces in the effective use of these hi-tech weaponry systems.
Yeah,...but planning and tactics would be necessary to challenge the Russian military. Americans and probably a good number of British would be who provides planning and tactics.
It'll be interesting to see where it all leads if that is indeed the case.
Major Burns is in the know…hummm. Well I’m not but my retired SO’s buddies are drinking beer in Poland and getting fat after being out of communication for the last two months. They’re assessment is that the Ukrainian military is done. Some Donbas militia were getting overrun around Kharkiv so the Russians withdrew from the area until reinforcements can arrive. The Kherson offensive in the south was a bloody disaster for the Ukraine. The Ukrainians won’t be able to hold any of the territory gained and just wasted thousands of Ukrainian lives and burned through war fighting machines and munitions they could I’ll afford to lose. The west is scraping the bottom of the barrel for compatible equipment and munitions to send the Ukraine. We’ve already dangerously depleted our own stocks of certain weapons that will take time to replace. As we deplete our stocks Taiwan becomes more endangered. You can also count on the Chinese to come to the aide of Russia if NATO attacks Russia. The Chinese can throw a couple million men and copious amounts of machines and munitions into the fight. All you are cheering is the wasteful deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians in a war they have zero chance of winning. If the Ukraine manages to stall the Russian offensive as it is now fought the Russians will simply be forced to widen the war to the entire Ukraine and turn the Russian army loose on the Ukraine. Winter and with it hard ground for mechanized fighting is coming. Hypersonic missiles can target anywhere in the Ukraine and Eastern Europe and the Ukraine and Eastern Europe is defenseless from the missiles. This could easily spiral into a shooting WWIII that we cannot win. Major Burns , you are a bloodthirsty moron.
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit political games.
It's possible that this thing is just getting started. It's too early to say that Americans won't be involved.
*IF* Ukranian forces actually did has a successful offensive it can only mean one thing.
Americans and Western Europeans are "boots on the ground" in Ukraine.
I believe you’re right.
Someone is training the Ukraine forces in the effective use of these hi-tech weaponry systems.
Yeah,...but planning and tactics would be necessary to challenge the Russian military. Americans and probably a good number of British would be who provides planning and tactics.
It'll be interesting to see where it all leads if that is indeed the case.
LOL.
Cope as you must.
This was predictable by anyone who knew.
Once GMLRS as HIMARS or m270s landed it was all over but the fat lady singing.
Give good men the means to kill Orcs in mass and this is the result.
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit political games.
It's possible that this thing is just getting started. It's too early to say that Americans won't be involved.
Like the game of rusk if two of your enemies are in a fight sit back and let them fight. I'm no fan of Russia but Ukraine is an incredibly corrupt country that people like the bidens use as a watering hole. Whatever the truth is we'll never know it.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and you acquired all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
I acquired my knowledge the same as all aquired knowledge.
The Good Guys are winning and the Orcs are Dying, or running and then dying tired.
Time will tell.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't/won't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Pretty sure they are not wanting nor need to spread the glory to any Johnny come lately troops on the ground.
They held the line and paid the blood to get to this point.
Now they get to hunt Orcs.
This is how great counties are born.
Like Germany?
Speaking of Germany , there’s a country on the road to Hades. They’re the country most dependent on Russian gas and their following us down the sanctions road is collapsing their economy. Many of the governments in Europe won’t survive. The new governments are likely to be much less willing to follow the United States in the future. More crumbling of the New American Century.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and you acquired all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
I acquired my knowledge the same as all aquired knowledge.
The Good Guys are winning and the Orcs are Dying, or running and then dying tired.
Time will tell.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
And something that is going to impact the people here who shoot a lot is that almost all the barrel steel used by custom barrel makers comes from Germany since Crucible Steel went out of business. All the steel mills and aluminum smelters in Germany are shutting down.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Being right sort of settles the discussion.
Prove me wrong or Zip the lip.
Thanks.
I never said you were wrong, nor did I say you were right-- merely asked how you got all your "in the know " knowledge. You assumed I thought you wrong, indicating a guilty conscience. So ANSWER the question or STFU!!
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Being right sort of settles the discussion.
Prove me wrong or Zip the lip.
Thanks.
I never said you were wrong, nor did I say you were right-- merely asked how you got all your "in the know " knowledge. You assumed I thought you wrong, indicating a guilty conscience. So ANSWER the question or STFU!!
Not how the world works, Kiddo.
If I am am right, and I am right, then I am "In the know".
I don't owe you any reason or sources.
You have been gifted my "In the Know" knowledge and should be grateful.
You may thank me later, but don't be to tardy. It's a bad look.
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit political games.
It's possible that this thing is just getting started. It's too early to say that Americans won't be involved.
That’s definitely my concern.
Some thoughts on the matter by an former member of the Reagan Administration:
I would be surprised if Russia, by far the superior power, doesn’t quickly regain control over the military situation in Donbass. But the Ukrainian success, no matter how limited or temporary, has doomed Putin’s “limited operation,” which, as I have emphasized, was doomed from the beginning.
It was doomed from the beginning by the Kremlin’s ridiculous assumption that Washington would permit the operation to be limited. The widening of the war was guaranteed. The fact that the war has widened is now understood by Russian TV hosts who say the proxy war in Ukraine between the US and Russia is over and Russia now faces a real direct war with the US and its NATO puppets.
As Russian forces hastily retreated in northeastern Ukraine on Saturday in one of their most embarrassing setbacks of the war, President Vladimir V. Putin was at a park in Moscow, presiding over the grand opening of a Ferris wheel.
“It’s very important for people to be able to relax with friends and family,” Mr. Putin intoned.
The split-screen contrast was stunning, even for some of Mr. Putin’s loudest backers. And it underscored a growing rift between the Kremlin and the invasion’s most fervent cheerleaders. For the cheerleaders, Russia’s retreat appeared to confirm their worst fears: that senior Russian officials were so concerned with maintaining a business-as-usual atmosphere back home that they had failed to commit the necessary equipment and personnel to fight a long war against a determined enemy. “You’re throwing a billion-ruble party,” one pro-Russian blogger wrote in a widely circulated post on Saturday, referring to the Putin-led celebrations in Moscow commemorating the 875th anniversary of the city’s founding. “What is wrong with you? Not at the time of such a horrible failure.”
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit....
Yeah it's always the soldiers that die, but they don't make the decisions.
The a-holes sending them to war are the ones I would not mind seeing in harm's way.
Always being right is a bit of a burden but it's a burden I carry well.
Careful there John Boy with your absolutes.
Remember the BORTAC thread?
🤦♀️🦫
Feel free to qoute me being wrong.
I'll wait, for a little while.
No need to wait. Read the thread again for yourself, or call your SOF buddies. I’m sure they’ll happily re-explain that you’re just simple and fûcked-dumb.
No need to wait. Read the thread again for yourself, or call your SOF buddies. I’m sure they’ll happily re-explain that you’re just simple and fûcked-dumb.
😬🦫
So no quote?
Hardly a suprise you would fail but it's a bit of a disappointment.
[quote=JohnBurns] Well, just for starters, that’s me on the mule hanging a hoof over the edge. It was really scary.
This mule looked for me every morning because mules always know.
LOL.
Grand Canyon tourist rides?
Way to go Mule Skinner.
Did they help you up into the saddle?
Litterally can't stop laughing.
What phuuccking edge are you hanging off?
Every mule I own could dance up and down on every bit of that terrain when bored. Litterally just play on those slopes above and below the trail for fun.
No need to wait. Read the thread again for yourself, or call your SOF buddies. I’m sure they’ll happily re-explain that you’re just simple and fûcked-dumb.
😬🦫
So no quote?
Hardly a suprise you would fail but it's a bit of a disappointment.
Maybe try again in another thread?
Maybe man up and back up you bullschitt?
Choice is your's player.
Go back to your BORTAC thread and pick up where you ran away. You’ll know you found water when you read the posts of me and others pissing on your made up BS.
No need to wait. Read the thread again for yourself, or call your SOF buddies. I’m sure they’ll happily re-explain that you’re just simple and fûcked-dumb.
😬🦫
So no quote?
Hardly a suprise you would fail but it's a bit of a disappointment.
Maybe try again in another thread?
Maybe man up and back up you bullschitt?
Choice is your's player.
Go back to your BORTAC thread and pick up where you ran away. You’ll know you found water when you read the posts of me and others pissing on your made up BS.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
Even GOD is calling you a liar. GOD is moving. HE is taking the Nazi World Order down. Always liked you on TV, John.
Forget the admonition about fighting the Fed. Remember the Admonition about fighting GOD. You and your Zelensky pukes are screwed.
Don't push your luck, Dumbfughk.
Hey there Mr Jagoff or should we call you Mr Drivel. You obviously live in Dumbfuckastan. You are one of the most delusional people to post here. So when did you discover your life was just a projection on a green screen? You should take the drivel, your Qanon crap and go find a safe place where lies are acceptable. You are a liar supporting and spreading the lies of others. That make you a liar and from what I understand God does not like liars.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
Even GOD is calling you a liar. GOD is moving. HE is taking the Nazi World Order down. Always liked you on TV, John.
Forget the admonition about fighting the Fed. Remember the Admonition about fighting GOD. You and your Zelensky pukes are screwed.
Don't push your luck, Dumbfughk.
Hey there Mr Jagoff or should we call you Mr Drivel. You obviously live in Dumbfuckastan. You are one of the most delusional people to post here. So when did you discover your life was just a projection on a green screen? You should take the drivel, your Qanon crap and go find a safe place where lies are acceptable. You are a liar supporting and spreading the lies of others. That make you a liar and from what I understand God does not like liars.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and you acquired all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
I acquired my knowledge the same as all aquired knowledge.
The Good Guys are winning and the Orcs are Dying, or running and then dying tired.
Time will tell.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't/won't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Don't forget, he was also, "in the know" about uvalde, too.
Nope but I ain't wrong and that makes me "In the KNOW".
.....and you acquired all this special "in the know" knowledge? Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Putin supporter. I think this war is between two evils--there's no good guy.
I acquired my knowledge the same as all aquired knowledge.
The Good Guys are winning and the Orcs are Dying, or running and then dying tired.
Time will tell.
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't/won't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Don't forget, he was also, "in the know" about uvalde, too.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by MickeyD
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by MickeyD
Some times, John, it can be a bit difficult to differentiate between "acquired knowledge" and accumulated bull schit. I take note that in your reply to my question on just how you acquired all this "in the know" knowledge that you merely deflected rather than actually offer up an answer on just how you did this. From that I can deduce that you can't answer. Which, in turn, leads one to conclude that your statement on being "in the know" is nothing more than bull schit and unworthy of further consideration or discussion.
Being right sort of settles the discussion.
Prove me wrong or Zip the lip.
Thanks.
I never said you were wrong, nor did I say you were right-- merely asked how you got all your "in the know " knowledge. You assumed I thought you wrong, indicating a guilty conscience. So ANSWER the question or STFU!!
Not how the world works, Kiddo.
If I am am right, and I am right, then I am "In the know".
I don't owe you any reason or sources.
You have been gifted my "In the Know" knowledge and should be grateful.
You may thank me later, but don't be to tardy. It's a bad look.
In other words, he named his sources in the uvalde thread, and his sources reamed him so hard he had to quit posting for a few months.
I don’t see anything wrong with dead Russian soldiers. It’s especially refreshing that for once it’s not our boys forced into someone else’s bullshit political games.
It's possible that this thing is just getting started. It's too early to say that Americans won't be involved.
That’s definitely my concern.
Some thoughts on the matter by an former member of the Reagan Administration:
I would be surprised if Russia, by far the superior power, doesn’t quickly regain control over the military situation in Donbass. But the Ukrainian success, no matter how limited or temporary, has doomed Putin’s “limited operation,” which, as I have emphasized, was doomed from the beginning.
It was doomed from the beginning by the Kremlin’s ridiculous assumption that Washington would permit the operation to be limited. The widening of the war was guaranteed. The fact that the war has widened is now understood by Russian TV hosts who say the proxy war in Ukraine between the US and Russia is over and Russia now faces a real direct war with the US and its NATO puppets.
The problem I have with this assessment is that these analysts go "by the numbers". The number of tanks, the number of planes, the number of troops, whatever. Then they make an assumption about "readiness" and come to a conclusion.
That readiness assumption has proven to be pure and utter bull puckey. Putin cronies have looted the supply chain for decades, and soldiers were sent to fight with dummy ammo, rations almost a decade past their expiration date, and troops were essentially untrained to a much larger extent than anyone ever thought.
The numbers may say this has been a limited engagement, but the numbers are not reality. The amount of reserves is unknown, even to the russians, until they actually crack open the crates to see if what is on the inventory is actually in there.
Seems legit, but I don't speak Russian and I don't have much context to judge. If anybody else does, and can comment constructively, that could be helpful.
The thing about this Ukraine bullshit that I don’t understand is why these newfound patriots of Ukraine can’t intelligently discuss the situation without getting upset right out of the gate and calling people names. I understand the traditional evolution of threads on the campfire but away from the campfire the full-on supporters of Ukraine, most of whom couldn’t find it on a map prior to February 2022, act the same way. If you question any aspect of the multitudes of contributing factors and don’t show blind allegiance to Ukraine they instantly become emotional and call you a commie or a Russian plant, etc. I’ve been unable to engage in any dispassionate debate or discussion with anyone that’s actively supporting Ukraine which I find interesting considering I don’t care about either side so I’m about as emotionally detached from this as anyone. The absolute WORST thing that I’ve found when trying to discuss this topic maturely is to interject facts and historical perspective, the fastest way to be labeled a Russian sympathizer or Putin lover is to use historical truths.
I’ve thought about this phenomenon and I can only surmise that the Russia-Ukraine conflict is a reflection of where we are as a country…..divisively divided with virtually NO common ground. Ukraine, like our modern society, is another case of “if you don’t share my opinion 100% on this then you’re my enemy.” We’ve become so ignorant and godless that “we” are unwilling to listen and intelligently discuss anything with anyone that doesn’t hold the same opinions….by demeaning them and dehumanizing them we alleviate any guilt we’d normally have for being so ignorant. Our country is so <hopelessly?> divided right now, unlike EVER before, that instead of looking for common ground we choose to look for differences in order to disregard them and their opinion.
While there is an interest in Australian English....... (You will note that Microsoft has some 17 versions of English IIRC, in Spell Check settings)
The colloquial is "Poofter" as common usage for Homosexual. Secondly, those ignorant commerical's flogging insurance using an Australian native bird featured on the Australian "Coat of Arms" are equally incorrect. There is no such thing as an "EEMOO".
It is called an "EMU", pronounced EEM-YOU. I have heard them called "Me and You's" but the orators were commonly intoxicated.
While there is an interest in Australian English....... (You will note that Microsoft has some 17 versions of English IIRC, in Spell Check settings)
The colloquial is "Poofter" as common usage for Homosexual. Secondly, those ignorant commerical's flogging insurance using an Australian native bird featured on the Australian "Coat of Arms" are equally incorrect. There is no such thing as an "EEMOO".
It is called an "EMU", pronounced EEM-YOU. I have heard them called "Me and You's" but the orators were commonly intoxicated.
As you were..........
Pufters fits better with Putin.
In using persuasion having words that ryhme or sound similar has a more lasting effective effect on smooth brains. It's a technique.
As demonstrated here it is an effective technique.
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
Still waiting for an apology for calling me a lying bitch. I posted mule riding pictures that you loudly proclaimed that I couldn’t. Then you moved the goalposts because they weren’t MY mules, and a commercial ride.
As proven, I have ridden mules.
How we got from “Orcs” to mule riding, only your alcohol addled mind would know.
By the time you read this article it will most probably be out of date, such is the speed of the advance of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Most likely the last 72 hours of warfare in Ukraine are going to be studied by generations of future military officers and historians. In summary, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have retaken over 2,500 sq km of Russian-occupied Ukraine.
And they have done this by punching a hole through thinly-guarded Russian front lines east of Kharkiv, and severing the Russian lines of logistics, forcing the withdrawal of large contingents of Russian soldiers from multiple locations, but most importantly Izyum and Kupyansk.
Without these two cities, Russia cannot effectively supply its forces in the north-east or the east of the country, and so further collapses, withdrawals and surrenders of Russian forces are to be expected.
It is likely that the Ukrainians will keep control of what they have gained, equivalent to all of the territory that Russia has gained since April. The Russians are finding it hard to defend, let alone counterattack. They simply don't have the troops, nor the logistics, and their morale - that intangible essential in warfare - has hit a new rock bottom.
In fact, as this article was being written, reports are emerging that the Ukrainians have retaken Donetsk Airport, and are heading for the Black Sea coast—either Mariupol, or Melitopol. It is a quite stunning success.
The thing about this Ukraine bullshit that I don’t understand is why these newfound patriots of Ukraine can’t intelligently discuss the situation without getting upset right out of the gate and calling people names.
Still waiting for an apology for calling me a lying bitch. I posted mule riding pictures that you loudly proclaimed that I couldn’t. Then you moved the goalposts because they weren’t MY mules, and a commercial ride.
As proven, I have ridden mules.
How we got from “Orcs” to mule riding, only your alcohol addled mind would know.
tater head calls everbody that points out he's FOS, a lyin bitch.
Did me, too, for pointin out he's a gun grabbin liberal.
Then, I posted the post he made, declarin that he was a gun grabbin liberal.
Still waiting for an apology for calling me a lying bitch. I posted mule riding pictures that you loudly proclaimed that I couldn’t. Then you moved the goalposts because they weren’t MY mules, and a commercial ride.
As proven, I have ridden mules.
How we got from “Orcs” to mule riding, only your alcohol addled mind would know.
tater head calls everbody that points out he's FOS, a lyin bitch.
Did me, too, for pointin out he's a gun grabbin liberal.
Then, I posted the post he made, declarin that he was a gun grabbin liberal.
GMLRS is land based using HIMARS or M270 launchers.
So,..do you think it's wise for the American government to be providing heavy weapons to be used against a nuclear power by a notoriously corrupt, former Soviet State?,.....especially when Joe Biden is America's Commander in Chief?
If I think real hard I can probably come up with a better recipe for disaster,..but it would be tough.
GMLRS is land based using HIMARS or M270 launchers.
So,..do you think it's wise for the American government to be providing heavy weapons to be used against a nuclear power by a notoriously corrupt, former Soviet State?,.....especially when Joe Biden is America's Commander in Chief?
If I think real hard I can probably come up with a better recipe for disaster,..but it would be tough.
According to the Ukraine at all cost crowd here, such prudence is tantamount to blowing Putin.
GMLRS is land based using HIMARS or M270 launchers.
So,..do you think it's wise for the American government to be providing heavy weapons to be used against a nuclear power by a notoriously corrupt, former Soviet State?,.....especially when Joe Biden is America's Commander in Chief?
If I think real hard I can probably come up with a better recipe for disaster,..but it would be tough.
Letting Russia invade it's neighbors is the worse of 2 bad things.
HIMARS and M270 can also use the longer range bigger ATACMS missile and so far Ukraine has not been supplied any of those, according to open source.
With ATACMS the Kersh bridge between Crimea and Russia is in range.
Now seems like the most dangerous time as far as Orc escalation as they are getting their ass kicked and Putin is desperate.
Stupid schitty war for no reason but if Russia had won then Poland was next and that's Article 5 for NATO.
GMLRS is land based using HIMARS or M270 launchers.
So,..do you think it's wise for the American government to be providing heavy weapons to be used against a nuclear power by a notoriously corrupt, former Soviet State?,.....especially when Joe Biden is America's Commander in Chief?
If I think real hard I can probably come up with a better recipe for disaster,..but it would be tough.
According to the Ukraine at all cost crowd here, such prudence is tantamount to blowing Putin.
Cuz that’s how devoted they are to Ukraine…
Some people never get past the idea that war is just another football game. They don't know, or care to know about the background of what leads up to a conflict such as is now occurring in Ukraine.
To them, it's just "GO TEAM!!"
The relationship between the American government and Ukraine stinks. It never should have occurred. But the "GO TEAM" people don't know enough to think about that,...and they're not inquisitive enough to find out,....and they don't care.
They're knotheads.
The power brokers in the world get away with what they do because of the knothead element in America.
Knotheads are going to bring about the apocalypse.
GMLRS is land based using HIMARS or M270 launchers.
So,..do you think it's wise for the American government to be providing heavy weapons to be used against a nuclear power by a notoriously corrupt, former Soviet State?,.....especially when Joe Biden is America's Commander in Chief?
If I think real hard I can probably come up with a better recipe for disaster,..but it would be tough.
According to the Ukraine at all cost crowd here, such prudence is tantamount to blowing Putin.
Cuz that’s how devoted they are to Ukraine…
Some people never get past the idea that war is just another football game. They don't know, or care to know about the background of what leads up to a conflict such as is now occurring in Ukraine.
To them, it's just "GO TEAM!!"
The relationship between the American government and Ukraine stinks. It never should have occurred. But the "GO TEAM" people don't know enough to think about that,...and they're not inquisitive enough to find out,....and they don't care.
They're knotheads.
The power brokers in the world get away with what they do because of the knothead element in America.
Knotheads are going to bring about the apocalypse.
Some people never get past the idea that war is just another football game. They don't know, or care to know about the background of what leads up to a conflict such as is now occurring in Ukraine.
To them, it's just "GO TEAM!!"
The relationship between the American government and Ukraine stinks. It never should have occurred. But the "GO TEAM" people don't know enough to think about that,...and they're not inquisitive enough to find out,....and they don't care.
They're knotheads.
The power brokers in the world get away with what they do because of the knothead element in America.
Knotheads are going to bring about the apocalypse.
LOL.
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Now seems like the most dangerous time as far as Orc escalation as they are getting their ass kicked and Putin is desperate.
You're damn right it's dangerous. And it wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for the American "crazies in the basement" who stirred the whole mess up back in 2014.
Some people never get past the idea that war is just another football game. They don't know, or care to know about the background of what leads up to a conflict such as is now occurring in Ukraine.
To them, it's just "GO TEAM!!"
The relationship between the American government and Ukraine stinks. It never should have occurred. But the "GO TEAM" people don't know enough to think about that,...and they're not inquisitive enough to find out,....and they don't care.
They're knotheads.
The power brokers in the world get away with what they do because of the knothead element in America.
Knotheads are going to bring about the apocalypse.
LOL.
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a major nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another major nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
But fug all that.
"GO TEAM!!"
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
But fug all that.
"GO TEAM!!"
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
The situation that the American government has placed America and Western Europe in stinks.
It stinks especially bad because America is being dictated to by a band of crazies who control the puppet strings that are attached to a seriously senile leftist American President.
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
But fug all that.
"GO TEAM!!"
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
Anyone who can’t tell the difference between people fighting on the other side of the globe for their own independence and you defending some abstract idea (which you may or not agree with) here is a complete fool.
Sack up and sacrifice what makes you money for what is better for the country. To stop spending g money we don’t have in a time of huge economic downturn.
Russian strikes have knocked out power and water to much of the Kharkiv region, plunging its cities into darkness.
I didn't know what form it would take. But I knew Russia wasn't just going to go home.
At this point, I'm just wondering what the checkmate will be,....and if it involves a nuclear winter.
So far, Russia hasn't sent anything into Kiev.
Russia has no interest in Kiev,...and it has no interest in taking on the expense of re-establishing the USSR. But the global power brokers have to push that narrative in order to justify the actions that they're taking that are designed to damage America and Western Europe.
Western Europe will catch on first,...because they've been targeted first.
Russian strikes have knocked out power and water to much of the Kharkiv region, plunging its cities into darkness.
I didn't know what form it would take. But I knew Russia wasn't just going to go home.
At this point, I'm just wondering what the checkmate will be,....and if it involves a nuclear winter.
So far, Russia hasn't sent anything into Kiev.
Russia has no interest in Kiev,...and it has no interest in taking on the expense of re-establishing the USSR. But the global power brokers have to push that narrative in order to justify the actions that they're taking in order to damage America and Western Europe.
We don't disagree about that.
But I look at it as more of a "horse's head under the covers" message ta Gaylensky.
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
Anyone who can’t tell the difference between people fighting on the other side of the globe for their own independence and you defending some abstract idea (which you may or not agree with) here is a complete fool.
Sack up and sacrifice what makes you money for what is better for the country. To stop spending g money we don’t have in a time of huge economic downturn.
Your whine is duly noted but I suspect Ukraine is going to keep kick Orc azz and I will keep smiling while they do such.
Russian strikes have knocked out power and water to much of the Kharkiv region, plunging its cities into darkness.
I didn't know what form it would take. But I knew Russia wasn't just going to go home.
At this point, I'm just wondering what the checkmate will be,....and if it involves a nuclear winter.
So far, Russia hasn't sent anything into Kiev.
Russia has no interest in Kiev,...and it has no interest in taking on the expense of re-establishing the USSR. But the global power brokers have to push that narrative in order to justify the actions that they're taking that are designed to damage America and Western Europe.
Western Europe will catch on first,...because they've been targeted first.
The U.S.A. will come a bit later.
Remember when Obama treated Romney like a dolt for saying Russia was a global adversary, then they became the bogey man with “Russia collusion”?
It’s all a game by the elites to keep us afraid long enough to drain the wealth of this country for their benefit.
And so many folks happy to go enthusiastically along.
Russian strikes have knocked out power and water to much of the Kharkiv region, plunging its cities into darkness.
I didn't know what form it would take. But I knew Russia wasn't just going to go home.
At this point, I'm just wondering what the checkmate will be,....and if it involves a nuclear winter.
So far, Russia hasn't sent anything into Kiev.
Russia has no interest in Kiev,...and it has no interest in taking on the expense of re-establishing the USSR. But the global power brokers have to push that narrative in order to justify the actions that they're taking that are designed to damage America and Western Europe.
Western Europe will catch on first,...because they've been targeted first.
The U.S.A. will come a bit later.
Remember when Obama treated Romney like a dolt for saying Russia was a global adversary, then they became the bogey man with “Russia collusion”?
It’s all a game by the elites to keep us afraid long enough to drain the wealth of this country for their benefit.
And so many folks happy to go enthusiastically along.
Hummm. Three whole posters in one group who aren't FOS.
Russia sux, always has and always will. When a "world power" kleptocracy can't whoop a 4th rate kleptocracy it should make one question why. Russia's much vaunted air force and SOF capability has thus far been invisible...why? The U.S. will gain no advantage from supporting either side but our pols will spend billions more to protect the uke's border than our own, again why?
I don't know either but it has been fun watching buns and crisoe discuss military affairs
Russia sux, always has and always will. When a "world power" kleptocracy can't whoop a 4th rate kleptocracy it should make one question why. Russia's much vaunted air force and SOF capability has thus far been invisible...why? The U.S. will gain no advantage from supporting either side but our pols will spend billions more to protect the uke's border than our own, again why?
I don't know either but it has been fun watching buns and crisoe discuss military affairs
Russia sux, always has and always will. When a "world power" kleptocracy can't whoop a 4th rate kleptocracy it should make one question why. Russia's much vaunted air force and SOF capability has thus far been invisible...why? The U.S. will gain no advantage from supporting either side but our pols will spend billions more to protect the uke's border than our own, again why?
I don't know either but it has been fun watching buns and crisoe discuss military affairs
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
But fug all that.
"GO TEAM!!"
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
That part about the bully is dead on and the Russians decided that they’d stop giving the USA their lunch money. The part about Ukraine “smashing” the Russians is ridiculous ! A tactical victory at high cost is not smashing the Russians. The Russians were caught with mostly local militia and police in the area and withdrew because they had no real assets to fight with in the area. The Russians will reinforce and retake it all. The submarine launch was a reminder to the American military that the majority of the US population is less than five minutes away from a submarine strike from submarines sitting off our coasts.
That part about the bully is dead on and the Russians decided that they’d stop giving the USA their lunch money. The part about Ukraine “smashing” the Russians is ridiculous ! A tactical victory at high cost is not smashing the Russians. The Russians were caught with mostly local militia and police in the area and withdrew because they had no real assets to fight with in the area. The Russians will reinforce and retake it all. The submarine launch was a reminder to the American military that the majority of the US population is less than five minutes away from a submarine strike from submarines sitting off our coasts.
LOL.
I can smell your lunch money and see your quivering lip through my monitor while reading that post.
I can just imagine how ripe a victim you were on the playground for every low life bully.
To be fair I suspect I would have stepped in, so you can dream of that.
Care to give another Odessa post for my enjoyment later of rubbing you nose in it?
You're damn right it's dangerous. And it wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for the American "crazies in the basement" who stirred the whole mess up back in 2014.
If it wasn't for the Russian invasion(s) of Ukraine.
That you are able to ignore that, vividly illustrates your bias.
You're damn right it's dangerous. And it wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for the American "crazies in the basement" who stirred the whole mess up back in 2014.
If it wasn't for the Russian invasion(s) of Ukraine.
That you are able to ignore that, vividly illustrates your bias.
How much better off would Russia be if Putin had stayed home and sold gas to Europe?
Your problems, Burns, begin in that you buy into the idea that anyone interested in the whole thing has to be all in for one side or the other...like a sports contest.
The other end of your problems is that you are fucking stupid, which in fact precipitates problem #1.
A few posts back you were trying to find out if Ukraine had missile submarines and now you are an expert on US/UA relationships.
Pretty funny.
No,..I knew Ukraine didn't have that capability. I just wanted to shake something loose in your knothead to make you realize that any retaliation that comes from Ukraine was actually American retaliation,.....to make you understand that America is involved in a proxy war with a nuclear power that is on friendly terms with yet another nuclear power.
There is no positive for the American people from what occurs in Ukraine. But there's a very damn serious negative.
But fug all that.
"GO TEAM!!"
Giving a bully your lunch money today in the hopes he won't take it tomorrow didn't work out for you on the playground but you still hope appeasing the bully is the safest thing to do?
The absolute smashing of Russia by Ukraine has vast long term positives for the USA. We spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars every year to counter basically Russia and China.
Any use of Nukes by Russia triggers Article 5 and now NATO has two newly minted members with 1000 miles of so of border with Russia.
Maybe take a hint from the brave Ukraine guys defending their country and sack up a bit?
You don't know who the bully is.
Putin is the bully. He wanted Ukraine, using sticks, no carrots. Ukraine declined, do Putin resorted to sneaking around, got impatient and invaded. Europe and NATO stepped in.
Your problems, Burns, begin in that you buy into the idea that anyone interested in the whole thing has to be all in for one side or the other...like a sports contest.
The other end of your problems is that you are fucking stupid, which in fact precipitates problem #1.
You're damn right it's dangerous. And it wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for the American "crazies in the basement" who stirred the whole mess up back in 2014.
If it wasn't for the Russian invasion(s) of Ukraine.
That you are able to ignore that, vividly illustrates your bias.
Your understanding of the situation doesn't go back nearly far enough. It began with the Obama administration and picked up steam during the Biden administration.
Leftists stir up schitt. They always have.
Trump held it off for a little while,...but we saw what happened to an American President who gets in the way of the "agenda".
The Ukraine situation is a small part of a much larger scenario.
Some people have been seeing it for a long time. Some people never will. Most of those who don't are leftists,....but not all of them.
Your understanding of the situation doesn't go back nearly far enough. It began with the Obama administration and picked up steam during the Biden administration.
Leftists stir up schitt. They always have.
Trump held it off for a little while,...but we saw what happened to an American President who gets in the way of the "agenda".
The Ukraine situation is a small part of a much larger scenario.
Some people have been seeing it for a long time. Some people never will. Most of those who don't are leftists,....but not all of them.
Your problems, Burns, begin in that you buy into the idea that anyone interested in the whole thing has to be all in for one side or the other...like a sports contest.
The other end of your problems is that you are fucking stupid, which in fact precipitates problem #1.
Your understanding of the situation doesn't go back nearly far enough. It began with the Obama administration and picked up steam during the Biden administration.
Leftists stir up schitt. They always have.
Trump held it off for a little while,...but we saw what happened to an American President who gets in the way of the "agenda".
The Ukraine situation is a small part of a much larger scenario.
Some people have been seeing it for a long time. Some people never will. Most of those who don't are leftists,....but not all of them.
That part about the bully is dead on and the Russians decided that they’d stop giving the USA their lunch money. The part about Ukraine “smashing” the Russians is ridiculous ! A tactical victory at high cost is not smashing the Russians. The Russians were caught with mostly local militia and police in the area and withdrew because they had no real assets to fight with in the area. The Russians will reinforce and retake it all. The submarine launch was a reminder to the American military that the majority of the US population is less than five minutes away from a submarine strike from submarines sitting off our coasts.
LOL.
I can smell your lunch money and see your quivering lip through my monitor while reading that post.
I can just imagine how ripe a victim you were on the playground for every low life bully.
To be fair I suspect I would have stepped in, so you can dream of that.
Care to give another Odessa post for my enjoyment later of rubbing you nose in it?
Too f’n funny ! I was not only the biggest kid on the playground I was also the meanest. My home life wasn’t real happy and the kids at school paid the price. Again you’re projecting your experience.
Too f’n funny ! I was not only the biggest kid on the playground I was also the meanest. My home life wasn’t real happy and the kids at school paid the price. Again you’re projecting your experience.
The funny part is that it isn’t Ukraine that Russia/Putin is fighting. Quit worrying about the effects this war is having on Ukraine and look at the effects it’s have on the EU and the US (The West)
The funny part is that it isn’t Ukraine that Russia/Putin is fighting. Quit worrying about the effects this war is having on Ukraine and look at the effects it’s have on the EU and the US (The West)
Your problems, Burns, begin in that you buy into the idea that anyone interested in the whole thing has to be all in for one side or the other...like a sports contest.
The other end of your problems is that you are fucking stupid, which in fact precipitates problem #1.
Let's not sugar coat you're lack of understanding Global issues.
That’s pretty rich. An understanding of global issues. Jb your a dumbass. Ukraine has one of the most advanced sub fleets in the world… by proxy You seem to fantasize your self into the world of warcraft. Lay off the alcohol dip schit, it’s not a good look. Got any pics of you and ray epps?
Let's not sugar coat you're lack of understanding Global issues.
That’s pretty rich. An understanding of global issues. Jb your a dumbass. Ukraine has one of the most advanced sub fleets in the world… by proxy You seem to fantasize your self into the world of warcraft. Lay off the alcohol dip schit, it’s not a good look. Got any pics of you and ray epps?
The funny part is that it isn’t Ukraine that Russia/Putin is fighting. Quit worrying about the effects this war is having on Ukraine and look at the effects it’s have on the EU and the US (The West)
Well, yeah. Ukraine wanted in to the EU and NATO. Putin wants Ukraine to be a Russian vassal state, and does not want Ukraine to join eithet. So, this is Putin v. the EU and NATO. Putin started it with his invasions and his support of separatists with materiel and "volunteers."
I think people are making the mistake in thinking that this is an action undertaken by the Russian military, it isn’t. This, being a special operation, exempts the Russian military from compulsory participation. This is being waged primarily through volunteers from poor Russian satellite states with promises of big bonuses and “large” monthly salaries. Volunteers for this special operation and Wagner group mercenaries are the two major components and a big part of the reason Russia has faltered. I don’t have much hope that the formal Russian military is much better but at least they’re “trained” for war. If this takes too long or broadens much then I’d expect for Putin to declare whatever he needs to declare in order to compel the Russian military to participate.
I think people are making the mistake in thinking that this is an action undertaken by the Russian military, it isn’t. This, being a special operation, exempts the Russian military from compulsory participation. This is being waged primarily through volunteers from poor Russian satellite states with promises of big bonuses and “large” monthly salaries. Volunteers for this special operation and Wagner group mercenaries are the two major components and a big part of the reason Russia has faltered. I don’t have much hope that the formal Russian military is much better but at least they’re “trained” for war. If this takes too long or broadens much then I’d expect for Putin to declare whatever he needs to declare in order to compel the Russian military to participate.
Well if Putin goes full Mobi they will get to use North Korean ammo and Iraninan drones.
That will be fun.
Russia is done for in the Ukraine. The only question is how much damage the Orcs can do in the death throes.
I think people are making the mistake in thinking that this is an action undertaken by the Russian military, it isn’t. This, being a special operation, exempts the Russian military from compulsory participation. This is being waged primarily through volunteers from poor Russian satellite states with promises of big bonuses and “large” monthly salaries. Volunteers for this special operation and Wagner group mercenaries are the two major components and a big part of the reason Russia has faltered. I don’t have much hope that the formal Russian military is much better but at least they’re “trained” for war. If this takes too long or broadens much then I’d expect for Putin to declare whatever he needs to declare in order to compel the Russian military to participate.
That is about right...
Putin is the unknown wildcard.
Will he bail on U?
Saving face is kinda a big deal for him I reckon...
He ain't toothless... that is for damn sure.
And I put NOTHING off the table for him.
It ain't like he he is from Cody and never travel more than 200 miles from home.
A legend in his own mind. Not afraid to blow his own horn. Likes to name drop. Highly motivated company sales excecutive. Making friends and selling guns on the campfire. Doesn't get any better then that.
I think people are making the mistake in thinking that this is an action undertaken by the Russian military, it isn’t. This, being a special operation, exempts the Russian military from compulsory participation. This is being waged primarily through volunteers from poor Russian satellite states with promises of big bonuses and “large” monthly salaries. Volunteers for this special operation and Wagner group mercenaries are the two major components and a big part of the reason Russia has faltered.
I think people are making the mistake in thinking that this is an action undertaken by the Russian military, it isn’t. This, being a special operation, exempts the Russian military from compulsory participation. This is being waged primarily through volunteers from poor Russian satellite states with promises of big bonuses and “large” monthly salaries. Volunteers for this special operation and Wagner group mercenaries are the two major components and a big part of the reason Russia has faltered.
Where did you hear that?
Common knowledge from the beginning. It was reported in various worldwide sources online, print and tv. The military isn’t obligated to fight unless war is declared under Russian law so they’re recruiting prisoners, poor people, young men that think it’ll be fun and Wagner group contractors. Moral has been poor from the beginning because they’ve not established an esprit de corps or discipline. The “professional” Russian military would likely be much different.
Burns needs to grow a pair and bring all that precision showing experience to the battlefield for sure. How many Russian Generals would have been taken out by now if only he were there?
I do have to say I loved this passage from the link, however. Particularly as it relates to the issue at hand:
“During the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s, 2,800 American volunteers joined the Abraham Lincoln Brigade to fight for the leftist Republican regime against the fascist-backed Nationalist forces.”
They fought for the “leftist Republican regime”… that is, the communist anti-Spaniard pro-Globalist regime, against the “facist backed nationalist forces,” or as we would call them, Spaniards.
Same word games being played here in regards to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Globalists maintaining the semantic high ground to appear as the opposite of what they in fact are.
We have had to go through this b.s. for just about 6 years. For those that can't see and surmise on their own what is going on they never will. And then to lecture others on events is surreal.
I guess that's one way to get rid of Woke veterans and traitors like Aukai Collins.
If you don’t mind, expand on your comment in re Collins. I bought his book when it first came out. Then read it again a couple years later. Loaned it out to someone and don’t have it any more.
I guess that's one way to get rid of Woke veterans and traitors like Aukai Collins.
If you don’t mind, expand on your comment in re Collins. I bought his book when it first came out. Then read it again a couple years later. Loaned it out to someone and don’t have it any more.
Traitor is a label I wouldnt apply to him.
If you can't figure out that Islam is a Satanic enemy of the Christian World, then I can't help you.
Dakota, you are wasting your time. Dealing with the tinfoil hat crowd is pizzing into the wind.
Remember Bush blew up the WTC and these are "chemtrails" (in 1943)
"ain't no cure for stupid"
I think you misunderstood what I said the so called tin foil hat crowd don't believe mainstream media. I'm not à chemtrail guy. Nor am I a Ukrainian fan. My point after everything that has transpired that some people believe the same lies over and over again. Such as the Russia collusion hoaxes. I'm for Trump !! I guess I should elaborate more on my comments.
I guess that's one way to get rid of Woke veterans and traitors like Aukai Collins.
If you don’t mind, expand on your comment in re Collins. I bought his book when it first came out. Then read it again a couple years later. Loaned it out to someone and don’t have it any more.
Traitor is a label I wouldnt apply to him.
If you can't figure out that Islam is the Satanic enemy of the Christian World, then I can't help you.
Russian Duma Deputy says the analysts who gave us the information on this Ukraine campaign being swift and fast set us up for failure. Our troops are having to flee the field and with no logistical support.
Just some idiot with a YouTube channel what makes him more authoritative than some yahoo name dropping on an internet site?
I guess he would be at least as authoritative as the Putin ass licking Youtube videos some keep posting here. Many of which sound like something you would watch on state sanctioned Russian TV. Just straight up Russian propaganda and yet none of you call them out or question their validity.
I have no idea how this war will end up going in the long term but the Putin ass lickers don't either. I remember when the Russians first invaded and everyone here expected Russian to just roll over all of Ukraine in a week. Didn't happen. Then Russia had to pull back all it's troops that tried to take Kyiv and the same crowd tried to claim that Russia didn't lose that aspect of the battle because that was just a feint. LOL! Then the same crowd claimed that Russia would just slowly grind across Ukraine from the eastern section in an unstoppable progression. Then the frontline pretty much ground to a halt. And now only an idiot would deny that the Ukrainians have made a pretty significant break through in the northern section of the battle front. But there are still some here that do deny it.
So pardon me if I am actually more skeptical of the Putin peter puffers at this point. Nobody knows how this war will end up going and I sure as hell don't pretend to know. But the track record of the ones here carrying the piss bucket for old Vlad certainly doesn't inspire my confidence.
Just some idiot with a YouTube channel what makes him more authoritative than some yahoo name dropping on an internet site?
I guess he would be at least as authoritative as the Putin ass licking Youtube videos some keep posting here. Many of which sound like something you would watch on state sanctioned Russian TV. Just straight up Russian propaganda and yet none of you call them out or question their validity.
I have no idea how this war will end up going in the long term but the Putin ass lickers don't either. I remember when the Russians first invaded and everyone here expected Russian to just roll over all of Ukraine in a week. Didn't happen. Then Russia had to pull back all it's troops that tried to take Kyiv and the same crowd tried to claim that Russia didn't lose that aspect of the battle because that was just a feint. LOL! Then the same crowd claimed that Russian would just slowly grind across Ukraine from the eastern section in an unstoppable progression. Then the frontline pretty much ground to a halt. And now only an idiot would deny that the Ukrainians have made a pretty significant break through in the northern section of the battle front. But there are still some here that do deny it.
So pardon me if I am actually more skeptical of the Putin peter puffers at this point. Nobody knows how this war will end up going and I sure as hell don't pretend to know. But the track record of the ones here carrying the piss bucket for old Vlad certainly doesn't inspire my confidence.
Just some idiot with a YouTube channel what makes him more authoritative than some yahoo name dropping on an internet site?
I guess he would be at least as authoritative as the Putin ass licking Youtube videos some keep posting here. Many of which sound like something you would watch on state sanctioned Russian TV. Just straight up Russian propaganda and yet none of you call them out or question their validity.
I have no idea how this war will end up going in the long term but the Putin ass lickers don't either. I remember when the Russians first invaded and everyone here expected Russian to just roll over all of Ukraine in a week. Didn't happen. Then Russia had to pull back all it's troops that tried to take Kyiv and the same crowd tried to claim that Russia didn't lose that aspect of the battle because that was just a feint. LOL! Then the same crowd claimed that Russia would just slowly grind across Ukraine from the eastern section in an unstoppable progression. Then the frontline pretty much ground to a halt. And now only an idiot would deny that the Ukrainians have made a pretty significant break through in the northern section of the battle front. But there are still some here that do deny it.
So pardon me if I am actually more skeptical of the Putin peter puffers at this point. Nobody knows how this war will end up going and I sure as hell don't pretend to know. But the track record of the ones here carrying the piss bucket for old Vlad certainly doesn't inspire my confidence.
Not sure. How did Putin's dick taste the last time you had it in your mouth?
Thanks for making my point. You were ignorant of the whole area, but now toss insults while virtue signaling. How many boosters have you gotten? Probably write your pronoun preferences on your name tag at the furry conventions where you work the glory hole.
Not sure. How did Putin's dick taste the last time you had it in your mouth?
Thanks for making my point. You were ignorant of the whole area, but now toss insults while virtue signaling. How many boosters have you gotten? Probably write your pronoun preferences on your name tag at the furry conventions where you work the glory hole.
Nice speech. Has nothing to do with me but I'm sure it took you a week to memorize it so well done. Now run along. Your Russian daddy's balls aren't going to lick themselves.
Not sure. How did Putin's dick taste the last time you had it in your mouth?
Thanks for making my point. You were ignorant of the whole area, but now toss insults while virtue signaling. How many boosters have you gotten? Probably write your pronoun preferences on your name tag at the furry conventions where you work the glory hole.
Nice speech. Has nothing to do with me but I'm sure it took you a week to memorize it so well done. Now run along. Your Russian daddy's balls aren't going to lick themselves.
Send my case of 50 Remington 20ga 3" accutip slugs to Clarksville Guns and Archery Care of Joe Smith/ Early Cyler. They will hold it for me. That's 10 boxes of 5 ea in case you ain't thinking too clearly from the nyquil depth charges with Lord Calvert Canadian you like to do.
And I will remove that ugly comment.
I promise I will remove that ugly comment on that reveiw. The link comes up 1st or 2nd hit when someone googles your place. 👍👍👍👍🤞🤞🤞🤔🤔🤔🤔😉😉😉👍
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Complete bullshit.
This aged like milk in the hot sun.
Like the time you said you’d start shooting people on the internet?
NEW: #Ukraine has decisively won the Battle of #Kharkiv Oblast, @TheStudyofWar can assess, recovering its territory northwest, north, and northeast of the city and ending the Russian ground & artillery threat to Ukraine’s second-largest city. Update 🧵
Originally Posted by ISW
#Izyum is back under Ukrainian control. Its operational significance has long pinned significant Ukrainian forces to the defense of #Slovyansk to its south. Izyum's liberation allows those defenders to join the counteroffensive, reinforcing it and allowing it to keep going. 2/
Originally Posted by ISW
The Ukrainian breakthrough and exploitation operations north of #Izyum have completely unhinged the Russian defenses throughout northeastern #Ukraine. The Russians are scrambling to find a new defensive line far to the east and have given up on #Kharkiv. 3/
Originally Posted by ISW
Ukrainian forces have also liberated the operationally significant town of #Vovchansk, northeast of #Kharkiv. Vovchansk lies on one of the key ground lines of communication from the Russian military hub of #Belgorod into northeastern #Ukraine very close to the Russian border. 4/
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Complete bullshit.
This aged like milk in the hot sun.
Hardly, fcktard.
ISW is the liberal propaganda site funded by the military industrial complex ta support war efforts.
Listen at the glee club wail and gnash that single tooth in their head!!
Big, brave boys, one and all who are safely ensconced behind their keyboards. Bad dudes!
One day we’ll explain the algorithm here to you bunch of flunkies and then, maybe just maybe,,naahh you wouldn’t ever understand or comprehend.
Keep trying bad boys
Can you post up some pics of your " Fish Camp"??? We all wanta see your " Fish Camp". Hell.... any pic of you doing something related to hunting, shooting, or fishing would be really awesome...
I bet when johnny tells people he was in the Air Force . He is all beaming proud to tell them he made Sergeant before he ETS,d. Hoping that many dont know a Sergeant in the Air Force is merely a E-4 and a TIS TIG routine promotion..
Hey Johnny ..
Wasnt you a high speed low drag fuel handler aka pump monkey or some schit like that???
Your line scores must have sucked if you only picked that, or they put you in under the area aptitude enlistment for 4 yrs cause you didnt bite off on a 5 or 6 yr enlistment to lock down a specific job.
Inquiring minds wanta know how you got all this vast military wpn systems knowledge. Other than fuuuuking Google fu.
The mess in Ukraine is just getting started. Western Europe has already taken a major hit from it with no end it sight.
If the Bolsheviks stay in office in America, you can bet your ass that America is going to take a major hit from it, also.
Again,...there's no upside to it for the American people regardless of how it ends up. But there's a very serious downside to it,..and it's starting to look like America is going to experience the downside.
The only question is, how bad the downside will be.
Just some idiot with a YouTube channel what makes him more authoritative than some yahoo name dropping on an internet site?
I guess he would be at least as authoritative as the Putin ass licking Youtube videos some keep posting here. Many of which sound like something you would watch on state sanctioned Russian TV. Just straight up Russian propaganda and yet none of you call them out or question their validity.
I have no idea how this war will end up going in the long term but the Putin ass lickers don't either. I remember when the Russians first invaded and everyone here expected Russian to just roll over all of Ukraine in a week. Didn't happen. Then Russia had to pull back all it's troops that tried to take Kyiv and the same crowd tried to claim that Russia didn't lose that aspect of the battle because that was just a feint. LOL! Then the same crowd claimed that Russia would just slowly grind across Ukraine from the eastern section in an unstoppable progression. Then the frontline pretty much ground to a halt. And now only an idiot would deny that the Ukrainians have made a pretty significant break through in the northern section of the battle front. But there are still some here that do deny it.
So pardon me if I am actually more skeptical of the Putin peter puffers at this point. Nobody knows how this war will end up going and I sure as hell don't pretend to know. But the track record of the ones here carrying the piss bucket for old Vlad certainly doesn't inspire my confidence.
The reason I asked that question was because I’d thanked another member here for an informative podcast that took a deep dive into the situation between Ukraine & Russia since the end of the Cold War when this thing first got going and Burns mocked me for ‘just believing some guy with a podcast’ or something like that.
So I asked him the same question knowing he was incapable of answering.
The consistent response from the Pro Uke side has been name calling peppered with references to the very same MSM that fed us COVID propaganda, called ANTIFA/BLM riots “peaceful protests”, told us that the ‘20 election was the most reliable in history, and aired the J6 mini-series as if it was the most judicious and fair hearing ever.
Then when presented with the fact that “Russia horribly & irredeemably evil/Ukraine as pure as the driven snow and must be supported at all cost” might not be the factually correct way to view this thing we get “Putinistas” or “Putin Puffers” or whatever.
I for one am convinced of two things which I would think those of us not making money on this grift should be able to agree on:
1) the people of Ukraine are being shafted hard
2) the American govt is using this as an opportunity to shaft its own people under the auspices of defending the people of Ukraine
Got my contract renegotiated to a box of velocitors per week.
Bin was pretty stingy at 1st sending me Remington thunderturds..
😕😕😕
Give the Winchester hyper velocity .22 ammo a try if you can find it. It actually produces the listed velocity of 1400+ with 40 grain bullets. (in rifles)
Everything else in the hyper velocity .22 category shoots about 100 fps less than advertised,...and the Winchester stuff is very accurate in my rifle.
The mess in Ukraine is just getting started. Western Europe has already taken a major hit from it with no end it sight.
If the Bolsheviks stay in office in America, you can bet your ass that America is going to take a major hit from it, also.
Again,...there's no upside to it for the American people regardless of how it ends up. But there's a very serious downside to it,..and it's starting to look like America is going to experience the downside.
The only question is, how bad the downside will be.
Please Bristoe.. Don't bring a corrupt little money laundering govt for globalist, and crooked politicians worldwide in their little house of cards CYA war. Espeically when the stock portfolios in wpns,ag goods, and energy sectors are blooming for the beautiful people. And the rebuilding of the place afterwards.
Cha ching......
And Xi told Vlad to hold off the invasion till after his Olympics.
Anything our Liberal Socialist Democrats are fully behind is never fuuuked the fuuk up. Never..... We all know that!!!! Especially the Uketards on here know anything the Liberal Socialist Democrats are fully behind is always on the up and up of course...
Russian tv and propagandists retreat into anger mode explaining, “we cannot possibly win this “war” with Ukraine under the present conditions.”
Several have been jailed for speaking out against the invasion and its costs in men and resources. Sanctions are causing major internal problems with all manufacturing at a near standstill and inflation running in double digits.
Understanding Planning, Orders and Troop Movements in Ukraine
10 September 2022 by Larry Johnson 186 Comments
PATTON, the movie, was a masterpiece of entertainment. It is not historically accurate on many points and that is a problem with respect to Ukraine. What? I suspect some of you believe I have really crossed over to crazy land, but hear me out. Remember that scene when the Germans launched the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944 and Patton saved the day by “immediately” diverting his Army 90 degrees to head north and rescue the beleaguered paratroopers of the 101st and 82nd airborne regiments (note, the paratroopers insisted they did not need to be rescued, but that’s another story for another day)?
That cinema account of how Patton planned and shifted the axis of attack of his troops is presented as something hastily put together. The German offensive started on 16 December and Patton met with Eisenhower on the 19th of December and received orders to relieve Bastogne. Patton’s troops moved out on the 22nd of December and reached Bastogne on the 26th. What the movie account fails to convey is that the planning for moving his Army north began on December 9, ten days before the emergency conference with Eisenhower.
Patton’s J-2 (i.e., his intel chief) briefed the following on 9 December:
By the end of October four panzer divisions had been identified refitting near Paderborn, far north of the Third Army’s left boundary. By November 10 the Germans had pulled five more panzer divisions out of the line. Of the fifteen panzer divisions in the west, only five remained in contact in mid-November. Starting November 17, aerial reconnaissance detected huge German rail movements to the north of the Third Army’s projected zone of advance—226 trains on November 18 alone. By November 23 Koch had identified the newly established Sixth Panzer Army, including five of its reconstituted panzer divisions. On December 2 the U.S. Seventh Army, to the south of Third Army, reported that the formidable Panzer Lehr Division was out of the line. By December 7 the Germans were holding at least thirteen divisions in reserve. (I encourage you to read the whole article about the real story of Patton’s rescue effort at the link above.)
So why is this important? The process any first world army (e.g., United States, Russia, Ukraine) follows in moving troops and equipment from one point to a distant location follows a well-defined planning process.
The planning process Patton followed is similar to what the U.S. military uses today. The current system is known as the Joint Operation Planning and Execution System aka JOPES. I have been involved in scripting and executing over 240 crisis response exercises. I worked for 23 years for the man who wrote JOPES, so I have some insight to the process. He beat it into me. It starts with an Alert Order (e.g. Be Prepared to Act) usually followed Warning Order (e.g., Houston we have a specific problem, tell us how you plan to solve it). The military command that receives the warning order immediately tasks it staff to prepare Courses of Action aka COAs.
Those COAs are then sent back via a written message laying out what forces would be used, what resources (i.e., air support, artillery, vehicles, medical, etc.) are required to carry out the COA. The COA for organizing and deploying a Special Operations unit is much easier and less time consuming than that required to organize and deploy battalions and regiments of soldiers.
Once the COA is approved the relevant military units receive a Deployment Order. It means what it says. The military units identified for action start moving via train, truck or plane. Depends on the operation. But they are moving into place and do not initiate action until they commanders receive an Execution Order.
Since the United States and NATO are involved directly with Ukraine’s military planning, I am certain they followed the JOPES process. That means the planning for the Kharkov offensive probably started the first of September, perhaps even earlier, i.e. July or August. Assembling and moving the men and equipment to deployment points took some time. It was not done overnight.
I am not familiar with the Russian planning system, but I am pretty sure the Russians follow a similar procedure to JOPES. It is important to understand this with reference to the offensive taking place around Kharkov. The Russian forces started moving into the area on Thursday, 8 September. And we are talking about hundreds of trucks, tanks, towed artillery and troops.
So, was Russia caught by surprise? No. They had at least one week’s warning of the impending Ukrainian attack. If you want to believe that Russia’s intelligence service is incompetent or was deceived in this operation, enjoy the fantasy. The Russian planners had a couple of choices. They could have moved their forces into position earlier but that would have tipped off the Ukrainians and west that the planned offensive was compromised.
Alternatively, the Russian planners may have decided to mask their movements and made choices about which villages and cities to defend and which to abandon. If Russia had moved preemptively to reinforce Izyum that would have raised warning flags for the Ukrainian and NATO planners.
I agree with Andrei Martyanov’s take–the Russians knew it was coming and chose to let the Ukrainians flood the zone in order to eventually hit the Ukrainian forces with a massive counter attack. The Ukrainians are no longer in fortified defensive positions and their lines of communication to support the forward troops are now defined precisely. The Ukrainian attack has not destroyed nor disrupted Russia’s air, artillery, rocket and missile assets. Attacking the Ukrainian units is an easier task, not more difficult.
I am not privy to the Russian plan. But what I do know is that the planning process required to deploy the troops and equipment moving into Kharkov was not a panicked response. Hollywood can create the illusion of rapid movement of military troops, but the real world requires alerting units, making sure they are properly supplied and then undertaking the logistic task of moving those units into combat. This means the planning was deliberate, not a crisis response.
Got my contract renegotiated to a box of velocitors per week.
Bin was pretty stingy at 1st sending me Remington thunderturds..
😕😕😕
Give the Winchester hyper velocity .22 ammo a try if you can find it. It actually produces the listed velocity of 1400+ with 40 grain bullets. (in rifles)
Everything else in the hyper velocity .22 category shoots about 100 fps less than advertised,...and the Winchester stuff is very accurate in my rifle.
Velocitors crank out like 1435 man Have one of the longest bearing surfaces to the rifling on the market. Very accurate in a Savage MK II bull barrel.
Velocitors 1435 Small Game Bullet 1235 Blazer 1235 40 gr mini mag 1235
All accurate The last 3 all to same POA POI
Did alot of 50 yd 10 shot group shooting 5 6 yrs ago. Digital scale weighing bullets. Get about 30 to 35 out of 50. 51.7 to 51.9 hrs That the sweet spot weight
Box of 50 goes from 51.2 to 52 .2 ish Those are your wtf flyers.
Rim fire thickness gauge sucks. Every quarter spin you get a different measurement Variance,s between the wax thickness Rim thickness variance Ogive circular variance Collet on the bullet wobble and pressure to put it on each time. Base of the gauge the rim sits in play.
Alot of that pricey euro ammo is weight sorted .
Watched a obscure british .22 competion shooter vid long ago. He was the one talking about weight sorting ammo.
Blazer of all things weight sorted is 3/8ths to 1/2 " 10 shot group at 50yds ammo.
And lot #,s come into play also. Lot of these guys pass lot#,s on ammo to help each other out. Bulk ammo alot of times that they weight sort.
We must not hijack this thread with talk of the lowly .22. Too much comedy gold to work with on here for that.
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
If you’ll look at Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida plus other states you’ll see that duck911 and were right and the naysayers are wrong and have been all along but don’t let facts get in the way.
Then there’s the Variant.
Then there’s the overrun hospitals with the mostly unvaccinated.
There’s more and we were and are right about it all along.
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
To ignore with you Putinista!
You shall not enjoy the empty praise of Toot or ANY of his sock puppets!
I’m sure you’ll be appropriately depressed by his rejection…
Facts have no place here only name calling against those who haven’t the sense to get on board with the latest thig.
Watch out. Emojis man will be along shortly if not already.
Oh please you Liberal Socialist Democrat covtard homo racist. You look at my post all the time with one of your other sockpuppets while you have me as well as others on pretend ignore under your Toot Toot puppet.
You ain't fooling anyone trying to spin schit.
You need to unazz this thread anyways. We are giving Lord Calvert Canadian attention and not you. This is Johnny Vicariously,s thread for the special attention he craves and not yours....
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
You’re batting 1000 on being wrong on what you post.
I’ll go with your present average on your prognostications as it pertains your latest one here.
But in the interest of fairness I’ll certainly point out when you’re right.
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
You’re batting 1000 on being wrong on what you post.
I’ll go with your present average on your prognostications as it pertains your latest one here.
But in the interest of fairness I’ll certainly point out when you’re right.
Understanding Planning, Orders and Troop Movements in Ukraine
10 September 2022 by Larry Johnson 186 Comments
PATTON, the movie, was a masterpiece of entertainment. It is not historically accurate on many points and that is a problem with respect to Ukraine. What? I suspect some of you believe I have really crossed over to crazy land, but hear me out. Remember that scene when the Germans launched the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944 and Patton saved the day by “immediately” diverting his Army 90 degrees to head north and rescue the beleaguered paratroopers of the 101st and 82nd airborne regiments (note, the paratroopers insisted they did not need to be rescued, but that’s another story for another day)?
That cinema account of how Patton planned and shifted the axis of attack of his troops is presented as something hastily put together. The German offensive started on 16 December and Patton met with Eisenhower on the 19th of December and received orders to relieve Bastogne. Patton’s troops moved out on the 22nd of December and reached Bastogne on the 26th. What the movie account fails to convey is that the planning for moving his Army north began on December 9, ten days before the emergency conference with Eisenhower.
Patton’s J-2 (i.e., his intel chief) briefed the following on 9 December:
By the end of October four panzer divisions had been identified refitting near Paderborn, far north of the Third Army’s left boundary. By November 10 the Germans had pulled five more panzer divisions out of the line. Of the fifteen panzer divisions in the west, only five remained in contact in mid-November. Starting November 17, aerial reconnaissance detected huge German rail movements to the north of the Third Army’s projected zone of advance—226 trains on November 18 alone. By November 23 Koch had identified the newly established Sixth Panzer Army, including five of its reconstituted panzer divisions. On December 2 the U.S. Seventh Army, to the south of Third Army, reported that the formidable Panzer Lehr Division was out of the line. By December 7 the Germans were holding at least thirteen divisions in reserve. (I encourage you to read the whole article about the real story of Patton’s rescue effort at the link above.)
So why is this important? The process any first world army (e.g., United States, Russia, Ukraine) follows in moving troops and equipment from one point to a distant location follows a well-defined planning process.
The planning process Patton followed is similar to what the U.S. military uses today. The current system is known as the Joint Operation Planning and Execution System aka JOPES. I have been involved in scripting and executing over 240 crisis response exercises. I worked for 23 years for the man who wrote JOPES, so I have some insight to the process. He beat it into me. It starts with an Alert Order (e.g. Be Prepared to Act) usually followed Warning Order (e.g., Houston we have a specific problem, tell us how you plan to solve it). The military command that receives the warning order immediately tasks it staff to prepare Courses of Action aka COAs.
Those COAs are then sent back via a written message laying out what forces would be used, what resources (i.e., air support, artillery, vehicles, medical, etc.) are required to carry out the COA. The COA for organizing and deploying a Special Operations unit is much easier and less time consuming than that required to organize and deploy battalions and regiments of soldiers.
Once the COA is approved the relevant military units receive a Deployment Order. It means what it says. The military units identified for action start moving via train, truck or plane. Depends on the operation. But they are moving into place and do not initiate action until they commanders receive an Execution Order.
Since the United States and NATO are involved directly with Ukraine’s military planning, I am certain they followed the JOPES process. That means the planning for the Kharkov offensive probably started the first of September, perhaps even earlier, i.e. July or August. Assembling and moving the men and equipment to deployment points took some time. It was not done overnight.
I am not familiar with the Russian planning system, but I am pretty sure the Russians follow a similar procedure to JOPES. It is important to understand this with reference to the offensive taking place around Kharkov. The Russian forces started moving into the area on Thursday, 8 September. And we are talking about hundreds of trucks, tanks, towed artillery and troops.
So, was Russia caught by surprise? No. They had at least one week’s warning of the impending Ukrainian attack. If you want to believe that Russia’s intelligence service is incompetent or was deceived in this operation, enjoy the fantasy. The Russian planners had a couple of choices. They could have moved their forces into position earlier but that would have tipped off the Ukrainians and west that the planned offensive was compromised.
Alternatively, the Russian planners may have decided to mask their movements and made choices about which villages and cities to defend and which to abandon. If Russia had moved preemptively to reinforce Izyum that would have raised warning flags for the Ukrainian and NATO planners.
I agree with Andrei Martyanov’s take–the Russians knew it was coming and chose to let the Ukrainians flood the zone in order to eventually hit the Ukrainian forces with a massive counter attack. The Ukrainians are no longer in fortified defensive positions and their lines of communication to support the forward troops are now defined precisely. The Ukrainian attack has not destroyed nor disrupted Russia’s air, artillery, rocket and missile assets. Attacking the Ukrainian units is an easier task, not more difficult.
I am not privy to the Russian plan. But what I do know is that the planning process required to deploy the troops and equipment moving into Kharkov was not a panicked response. Hollywood can create the illusion of rapid movement of military troops, but the real world requires alerting units, making sure they are properly supplied and then undertaking the logistic task of moving those units into combat. This means the planning was deliberate, not a crisis response.
The same author a week ago was claiming the Kharkiv offensive was a bust for Ukraine but oh my how a week changes his opinion.
Now it 's some kind of Orc play to burden down Ukraine with all the captured equipment and the Orcs will sweep for the win.
Originally Posted by Larry Johnson
The Ukrainian offensive near Kherson in the south and Kharkiv in the north is failing. That explains why Ukrainian President Zelensky imposed restrictions the other day on what news western correspondents could report from the front. In fact, many of these reporters were pulled from the front lines. Do you think Ukraine would do that if they were pounding the hell out of the Russians and forcing the Russians to retreat? No. The west would be flooded with videos of triumphant Ukrainian troops celebrating victory.
Gotta say David I am a bit sceptical but hey time will tell.
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
Most coherent post thus far, and most likely (sadly) to “age well”.
If you’re living in an urban area with no contingency plan, Godspeed.
But I apologize I don’t buy there is a booger man, and the Russian Army is Muhammad Ali like playing rope a dope. Waiting to pounce!
I think it is horrendously corrupt and inept.
I also think our efforts to help Ukraine are working and like it or not Russia is not winning.
But everyone has an opinion……
Heck a towel being hurled was predicted a while back.
If you think Russia’s military is inept, what does that make our military?
See his avatar
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Houston_2
and inflation running in double digits.
WAPO
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
You’re batting 1000 on being wrong on what you post.
But you agree with the NYT, WAPO, and MSNBC so there’s that…
Bristoe nailed it just like he nailed you when he called you out for trolling.
If ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the cable news shows kept saying night after night that Johnny Boy had a dick the size of Norwegian taboggan. Would anyone, other than Burns believe it?....Of course not. We’d all know it’s ‘propaganda’ designed to make someone ~ JBoy feel proud and special.
It’s the exact same thing with Ukraine and our media. These stories of Ukraine’s military success and an overwhelmed Russian Army are designed for two reasons. 1) to make Americans believe the gifting of billions in military might and C-notes are helping Ukraine win a war. Please keep the money flowing people. 2) The American news horror stories about Russian atrocities and losing battles are designed to hit at the hearts and minds of Russians who speak English in Ukraine and Russia.
It’s just propaganda trying to make people change their feelings and resolve about what Putin has set out to accomplish.
If ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the cable news shows kept saying night after night that Johnny Boy had a dick the size of Norwegian taboggan. Would anyone, other than Burns believe it?....Of course not. We’d all know it’s ‘propaganda’ designed to make someone ~ JBoy feel proud and special.
It’s the exact same thing with Ukraine and our media. These stories of Ukraine’s military success and an overwhelmed Russian Army are designed for two reasons. 1) to make Americans believe the gifting of billions in military might and C-notes are helping Ukraine win a war. Please keep the money flowing people. 2) The American news horror stories about Russian atrocities and losing battles are designed to hit at the hearts and minds of Russians who speak English in Ukraine and Russia.
It’s just propaganda trying to make people change their feelings and resolve about what Putin has set out to accomplish.
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It is and has been a war of propaganda from day 1.
As anyone here literate enough can see there’s a counterpoint for just about every point that’s made.
If ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the cable news shows kept saying night after night that Johnny Boy had a dick the size of Norwegian taboggan. Would anyone, other than Burns believe it?....Of course not. We’d all know it’s ‘propaganda’ designed to make someone ~ JBoy feel proud and special.
It’s the exact same thing with Ukraine and our media. These stories of Ukraine’s military success and an overwhelmed Russian Army are designed for two reasons. 1) to make Americans believe the gifting of billions in military might and C-notes are helping Ukraine win a war. Please keep the money flowing people. 2) The American news horror stories about Russian atrocities and losing battles are designed to hit at the hearts and minds of Russians who speak English in Ukraine and Russia.
It’s just propaganda trying to make people change their feelings and resolve about what Putin has set out to accomplish.
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It is and has been a war of propaganda from day 1.
As anyone here literate enough can see there’s a counterpoint for just about every point that’s made.
Did an old man shoot down a Russian jet with a hunting rifle?
Russian people now fearful that Putin will have to declare the failing invasion to be a declaration of war in order to force Russian troops to fight in Ukraine.
Presently troops are refusing his requests under protection of existing Russian law that says no soldier can be forced to fight unless formal war is declared.
Russia has concluded that it is now in a direct war with the US, that this is now an American war. The boundaries had been pushed all along. But the mass delivery of US heavy artillery has pushed the situation into the grey zone. But the Kharkiv offensive directly involved US military personnel in critical line functions.
Ukrainian forces are continuing to make impactful gains in Kherson Oblast and are steadily degrading the morale and combat capabilities of Russian forces in this area. The Russian military command may be suspending the deployment of newly formed units to Ukraine due to recent Russian losses and overall degraded morale. Russian forces are failing to reinforce the new frontline following Ukrainian gains in eastern Kharkiv Oblast and are actively fleeing the area or redeploying to other axes. Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian military assets and positions in Kherson Oblast, likely steadily degrading them. The Ukrainian recapture of Izyum has likely degraded Russian forces’ ability to conduct artillery strikes along the Izyum-Slovyansk highway. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) announced the restoration of the second reserve power transmission line to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP). Ukraine’s sweeping counteroffensive is damaging Russian administrative capabilities and driving Russian departures from occupied parts of Ukraine far behind the line of contact.
Russia has concluded that it is now in a direct war with the US, that this is now an American war. The boundaries had been pushed all along. But the mass delivery of US heavy artillery has pushed the situation into the grey zone. But the Kharkiv offensive directly involved US military personnel in critical line functions.
They’ve also told Germany they’ve crossed the Rubicon.
Armenia has asked for Russian support in its Dual.
Russia has concluded that it is now in a direct war with the US, that this is now an American war. The boundaries had been pushed all along. But the mass delivery of US heavy artillery has pushed the situation into the grey zone. But the Kharkiv offensive directly involved US military personnel in critical line functions.
Will wonders never cease?
Russia has concluded......it’s in the gray zone.
Now would you look at how the dirty Ole USA has gone and screwed up our little walk in the park. That’s not fair!!
Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.
*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.
That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.
America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.
You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?
I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.
The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.
,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.
But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"
Latin America countries increasingly adopting Stablecoin in USD denominations seeing the USD as the world’s most stable currency and much more stable than their own currencies.
Internal criticism of putin continues to grow inside Russia being their Ukraine supply base structures have been crushed and retaken by Ukraine forces. Government members have clearly stated to putin, either declare full war or get out now.
European gas storages are now up to approximately 82% volume expecting to be over 90% by late October. Restarts of nuke and coal fired electric generation facilities continues Europe wide.
When Russian forces retreated from north-eastern Ukraine this past weekend, military bloggers and pro-war commentators knew what to blame: President Vladimir Putin’s reluctance to conscript more soldiers.
Russia is fighting in Ukraine, “but we are doing it without engaging the HUGE CAPACITY of the RUSSIAN STATE!” pro-war blogger Yuri Kotenok wrote on Telegram. “And you can’t win doing things by halves.”
“The state must be mobilised for war and for victory. That’s the only way . . . Everyone must work, from the last man to the first man. Everyone must be focused on winning this war,” Kotenok wrote.
The retreat of Moscow’s forces in north-eastern Ukraine has again exposed the weaknesses of the Russian military machine and its shortcomings in terms of manpower, morale, intelligence and command.
As when Ukrainian resistance forced the invading troops away from Kyiv’s outskirts in late March, criticism of the Russian high command and of Putin’s refusal to intensify the war effort with a general conscription has spilled into the open, with Russian pro-war commentators and military bloggers venting their anger.
“We have to be honest — we’ve been defeated in the battle (full stop),” wrote Yuriy Podolyaka, a Crimea-based video blogger whose daily battlefield updates have garnered him a following of almost 2.4mn on Telegram.
“The current defeat in Kharkiv is the result of the fact that so far many in the defence ministry are trying to ignore the problems that were revealed during the first months of the war,” Podolyaka said in a post on Saturday amid reports of Russia’s retreat from the region.
In any event, the EU is built as a steamroller steadily crushing flat the path towards more central control; more news management; more citizen surveillance. The acquis, the ECJ, and the bureaucracy simply grind forwards in unstoppable momentum: Reverse gear was never included. In fact, the architecture has almost no provision for reversal, except by invoking Article 50 – quitting the Union, and that intentionally has been made unbearably painful.
So, expect the EU leaders dogmatically to persist with transforming the EU into a Soviet-style command economy. And even to seek more powers, the more the economy weakens.
I think our military is learning a lot from Ukraine.
I hope we are getting better/stronger and safer.
Thanks
LMFAO! You think our Military under the current woke leadership is getting better, stronger and safer?! Really? No one is that Fugkin stupid. Not even Burns.
Yeah,...but planning and tactics would be necessary to challenge the Russian military. Americans and probably a good number of British would be who provides planning and tactics.
It'll be interesting to see where it all leads if that is indeed the case.
Britain identified itself as the party responsible for planning and organizing the Kherson operation, while the USA claims credit for the more successful Kharkov attack.
KHARKIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian troops piled pressure on retreating Russian forces Tuesday, pressing deeper into occupied territory and sending more Kremlin troops fleeing ahead of the counteroffensive that has inflicted a stunning blow on Moscow’s military prestige.
As the advance continued, Ukraine’s border guard services said the army took control of Vovchansk — a town just 3 kilometers (2 miles) from Russia seized on the first day of the war. Russia acknowledged that it has withdrawn troops from areas in the northeastern region of Kharkiv in recent days.
Russian troops were also pulling out from the southern city of Melitopol, the second-largest city in Ukraine’s southern Zaporizhzhia region, the city’s pre-occupation mayor said. His claim could not immediately be verified.
Melitopol has been under Russian occupation since early March. Capturing it would give Kyiv the opportunity to disrupt Russian supply lines between the south and the eastern Donbas region, the two major areas where Moscow-backed forces hold territory.
Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov wrote on Telegram that the Russian troops were heading toward Moscow-annexed Crimea. He said columns of military equipment were reported at a checkpoint in Chonhar, a village marking the boundary between the Crimean peninsula and the Ukrainian mainland.
Still haven’t figured how not giving a Fugk about Ukraine equates to Loving Russia? How about Fugk both of them, their [bleep] doesn’t effect my life so go ahead and kill each other.
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
The course of current events seems clear, but the consequences of Russia’s military failures have not yet fully unfolded. In 50 years’ time, historians will study the Russian invasion of Ukraine during the first part of the 21st century. Alongside marveling at the amounts of hydrocarbon fuel that the competing armies used, the war will be cited as a classical case of humanity’s propensity for hubris, alongside its ability to make bad decisions when they are surrounded by people who agree with them. Both of these human frailties were ably demonstrated by President Vladimir Putin during the course of the war.
As they analyze the social media reporting of the war, the historians will conclude that the short-lived war had three turning points.
The first came in April 2022, when the Russians accepted that they would be unable to decapitate the Ukrainian government and install a client regime. This was because the Ukrainian army had fought them to a standstill on the approach to Kyiv, forcing the Russians to retreat to the Belarusian border. That retreat can only be described as a rout, as equipment was abandoned and Russian soldiers slaughtered.
The second turning point came in September. Over the two previous months, the Ukrainians had slowly advanced in the south of the country towards Kherson, the only city that Russia occupied on the west bank of the Dnipro river (which divides the country in two). The city was important strategically, and for the Ukrainians it was the gateway to Crimea, which was the real prize in the war.
Ukrainian pressure on Kherson caused the Russian Armed Forces to reinforce, stripping out troops from other fronts in Ukraine. (The historians will note that in an age when wars were fought with actual humans, Russia started the war with about a quarter of the troops it needed to achieve its objectives.) This left a dangerously thinned out front line east of Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second biggest city, which presented too great an opportunity; the Ukrainians punched through with a mechanised thrust. Moving fast, they captured the main Russian’s logistics hubs for their war effort in the north-east and east of the country.
The Russian front collapsed, with thousands of soldiers fleeing and leaving their equipment. The Ukrainians, once again, pushed the Russians back to the international border in that sector of the country. This was also a rout.
And now to the third turning point. This will begin when Ukraine deployed its strategic reserve. The thrust will be towards the Black Sea coast—either Mariupol or Melitopol—dividing the Russian forces into two and opening up the route to Crimea. The Russians turned and fled once again, over the Kerch bridge connecting Crimea and Russia. The war was over. The Russian army was defeated in the field.
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
When will this stupid thread end??? Facts are facts and trolls are trolls. Ukraine is a Ponzi scheme and stupidity rules the day. IMO…. Burns is a megalomaniac on meth
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
They are related tho; the money laundering and chronie payoffs made through COVID cash printing are continuing on a much smaller tho still massive scale in Ukraine.
Not to mention the danger in which this is putting our ability to remain THE reserve currency.
The items are not separated; this is all part of a concerted effort to suck the marrow from a great nation’s bones right before our eyes.
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
You should start a thread on that stuff and quit wasting your valuable time in my awesome thread.
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
When will this stupid thread end??? Facts are facts and trolls are trolls. Ukraine is a Ponzi scheme and stupidity rules the day. IMO…. Burns is a megalomaniac on meth
Stock market dropped 4% today, CPI printed at .6% MoM, which means Interest rates will continue to rise, likely much higher, and the chance of a deep hard recession growing by the day. Let’s concentrate on stupid scheit like Russia and Ukraine though, that’s what’s important.
You should start a thread on that stuff and quit wasting your valuable time in my awesome thread.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
They said that Germany had crossed a redline yesterday with arm sales. I’d hate to be a citizen of the EU member states and be forced to pay the severe cost of my idiot Govt supporting Ukraine.
There are extremely dire problems being faced right here on our piece of dirt. But keep watching the shiny flashy scheit being waved by the MSM, the globalists and the idiots like JohnJohn.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
My guess is, Ukraine is going to have a very bad winter. Whether or not NATO responds to that is going to have a lot to do with the future of the U.S.A.
I'm not optimistic. Some serious crazies are in charge of American foreign policy,...they have been for a while, actually.
They've reignited the Cold War and it seems they want it to be a hot war. A hot war in the 21st century is going to be damn hot for sure.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
Your concern is duly noted.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
That would be a logical course of action. An embarrassed putin is a more dangerous putin but proxy wars between Russia and the US are not new things when you consider the roles both played in Afghanistan.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
What is your course of action?
Better yet, why don't you personally initiate a course of action?
Ukraine is accepting mercenary troops from America. You appear to be young enough and in reasonably good physical condition and you can handle a rifle.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
That would be a logical course of action. An embarrassed putin is a more dangerous putin but proxy wars between Russia and the US are not new things when you consider the roles both played in Afghanistan.
You mean most every conflict since WWII. Communism fighting Democracy. Looks like we lost.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
What is your course of action?
Better yet, why don't you personally initiate a course of action?
Ukraine is accepting mercenary troops from America. You appear to be young enough and in reasonably good physical condition and you can handle a rifle.
So what's stopping you besides fear?
Reasonably good physical condition? That fat Fugk is one piece of pie away from a coronary.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
What is your course of action?
Better yet, why don't you personally initiate a course of action?
Ukraine is accepting mercenary troops from America. You appear to be young enough and in reasonably good physical condition and you can handle a rifle.
So what's stopping you besides fear?
Reasonably good physical condition? That fat Fugk is one piece of pie away from a coronary.
A little forced marching while living on Ukrainian rations.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
What is your course of action?
Better yet, why don't you personally initiate a course of action?
Ukraine is accepting mercenary troops from America. You appear to be young enough and in reasonably good physical condition and you can handle a rifle.
So what's stopping you besides fear?
Vlad could damned sure use your presence and good advice about now.
Course of action?
Stay the course, keep all the pressure points active and hopefully Putin’s own people will remove him and restore sanity to their republic.
Just as a point of reference compare the US invasion of Iraq against what was touted as an experienced, russian armed military ranked 5th largest in the world with putin's best effort. The russian military has proven to be a joke and China is laughing it's ass off, no more threat on that border.
US troops had to travel 6k miles to dethrone Saddam, vlad's nemesis is right next door LMAO
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
What is your course of action?
Better yet, why don't you personally initiate a course of action?
Ukraine is accepting mercenary troops from America. You appear to be young enough and in reasonably good physical condition and you can handle a rifle.
So what's stopping you besides fear?
My course of action is to supply Ukraine with the tools needed for them to free their country.
This is how great countries are made.
I have never advocated American boots on the ground.
You're like a kid on the playground scared that someone is standing up to the bully because you might be next.
Stay the course, keep all the pressure points active and hopefully Putin’s own people will remove him and restore sanity to their republic.
Staying the course isn't going to be a good strategy for either Ukraine, Western Europe, or America.
Time will tell cause that's what's going to happen.
Yeah, probably.
Commander in Chief Joe Biden will stay the course and winter 2022/2023 will be the most interesting in a long while.
One big question is how harshly the governments in Western Europe will put down the massive protests that are going to swarm across Europe when winter hits.
Why would you want to destroy our partners in the space program ? Russia is so evil and we still have an agreement with them of highest technology. Huh And you are supporting the Ukraine which means your supporting Brandon, Hunturd, soreass and the azov nazis along with the bio labs.
Why would you want to destroy our partners in the space program ? Russia is so evil and we still have an agreement with them of highest technology. Huh And you are supporting the Ukraine which means your supporting Brandon, Hunturd, soreass and the azov nazis along with the bio labs.
Why would you want to destroy our partners in the space program ? Russia is so evil and we still have an agreement with them of highest technology. Huh And you are supporting the Ukraine which means your supporting Brandon, Hunturd, soreass and the azov nazis along with the bio labs.
You need a laxative. Badly so.
Don't need it I'm not gay like you. Great response !!
Pure head fake. Putin is cutting the head of the Viper. Jesus whipped them out of the Holy Temple.
Putin has accomplished his objective I expect. He has the proof from the US BIOWEAPONS Labs and has control of the nuclear facilities so they won't be producing dirty nukes.
There are rumors about Zelensky which I'm waiting to have confirmed.
Russia (putin) has spent over 300 million$ in more than two dozen countries trying to undermine their democratic processes in those countries through paid propaganda to realign their direction toward interests in line with the Kremlin’s directives and desired direction.
WAPO
Putin, the savior who will protect us from the ravages of the NWO.
Ukraine forces press fleeing Russian troops causing a virtual rout to the Russian border with the Russians deserting all arms, war vehicles and supplies.
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps.
Back here where things happen that actually matter to me, odds are up to 60% that the fed will raise 100bps next week, 75bps following, and another 100bps in December. Bright side is we’ll all have a lot more time to post stupid scheit about Russia/Ukraine since we won’t be able to afford to do anything else.
Why would you want to destroy our partners in the space program ? Russia is so evil and we still have an agreement with them of highest technology. Huh And you are supporting the Ukraine which means your supporting Brandon, Hunturd, soreass and the azov nazis along with the bio labs.
You need a laxative. Badly so.
Don't need it I'm not gay like you. Great response !!
Houston_2 is just wanting to eat another load of schiett.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
I think our military is learning a lot from Ukraine.
I hope we are getting better/stronger and safer.
Thanks
LMFAO! You think our Military under the current woke leadership is getting better, stronger and safer?! Really? No one is that Fugkin stupid. Not even Burns.
C’mon, man! Give the fat, drunk, little fella a chance!
I think our military is learning a lot from Ukraine.
I hope we are getting better/stronger and safer.
Thanks
LMFAO! You think our Military under the current woke leadership is getting better, stronger and safer?! Really? No one is that Fugkin stupid. Not even Burns.
C’mon, man! Give the fat, drunk, little fella a chance!
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps. ...
Russia doesn't have the equipment or logistics to supply this hypothetical new force. Even if they did, they do not have the ability to train them to fight effectively for many months--probably at least six--after this alleged declaration is made. It's not that a highly-efficient, super well-resourced country with lots of extra resources could pull it off, but that's not Sept. 2022 Russia. They're getting routed.
Russian troops have no interest in potentially dying or getting maimed to take Ukraine. It's just not in their mindset. The best way for them to be alive and with their families is to leave Ukraine. Due to the Russians, early on, killing, raping, maiming, bombing, and burning civilians alive, the Ukrainians believe that they must fight as hard as possible, for as long as possible, or they will be subject to themselves and their daughters and wives to rape and death. The Ukrainians now have better weaponry. The Russians don't even try to fly significant air sorties against them any more. War's over. It's just a matter of time.
Hey, Suckawhore, we didn't know you were such a lowlife POS you approved of using the three letter agencies illegally to try and derail a person's campaign for the presidency and then to overthrow a sitting POTUS.
We just didn't know what a cabal supporting pos you are.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps. ...
Russia doesn't have the equipment or logistics to supply this hypothetical new force. Even if they did, they do not have the ability to train them to fight effectively for many months--probably at least six--after this alleged declaration is made. It's not that a highly-efficient, super well-resourced country with lots of extra resources could pull it off, but that's not Sept. 2022 Russia. They're getting routed.
Russian troops have no interest in potentially dying or getting maimed to take Ukraine. It's just not in their mindset. The best way for them to be alive and with their families is to leave Ukraine. Due to the Russians, early on, killing, raping, maiming, bombing, and burning civilians alive, the Ukrainians believe that they must fight as hard as possible, for as long as possible, or they will be subject to themselves and their daughters and wives to rape and death. The Ukrainians now have better weaponry. The Russians don't even try to fly significant air sorties against them any more. War's over. It's just a matter of time.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
Forbes, Reuters
Yup.
1st Guards Tank Army is destroyed as a unit.
Yeah, Zelensky will soon have Russia under his strong hand.
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps. ...
Russia doesn't have the equipment or logistics to supply this hypothetical new force. Even if they did, they do not have the ability to train them to fight effectively for many months--probably at least six--after this alleged declaration is made. It's not that a highly-efficient, super well-resourced country with lots of extra resources could pull it off, but that's not Sept. 2022 Russia. They're getting routed.
Russian troops have no interest in potentially dying or getting maimed to take Ukraine. It's just not in their mindset. The best way for them to be alive and with their families is to leave Ukraine. Due to the Russians, early on, killing, raping, maiming, bombing, and burning civilians alive, the Ukrainians believe that they must fight as hard as possible, for as long as possible, or they will be subject to themselves and their daughters and wives to rape and death. The Ukrainians now have better weaponry. The Russians don't even try to fly significant air sorties against them any more. War's over. It's just a matter of time.
All true but add in the Russians sent their training cadre to Ukraine as cannon fodder.
Now factor in Azerbaijan deciding to choose now to start shelling Russian vassel Armenia and Georgia getting froggy.
Putin chose poorly when he sent to Orcs to Ukraine.
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps. ...
Russia doesn't have the equipment or logistics to supply this hypothetical new force. Even if they did, they do not have the ability to train them to fight effectively for many months--probably at least six--after this alleged declaration is made. It's not that a highly-efficient, super well-resourced country with lots of extra resources could pull it off, but that's not Sept. 2022 Russia. They're getting routed.
Russian troops have no interest in potentially dying or getting maimed to take Ukraine. It's just not in their mindset. The best way for them to be alive and with their families is to leave Ukraine. Due to the Russians, early on, killing, raping, maiming, bombing, and burning civilians alive, the Ukrainians believe that they must fight as hard as possible, for as long as possible, or they will be subject to themselves and their daughters and wives to rape and death. The Ukrainians now have better weaponry. The Russians don't even try to fly significant air sorties against them any more. War's over. It's just a matter of time.
All true but add in the Russians sent their training cadre to Ukraine as cannon fodder.
Now factor in Azerbaijan deciding to choose now to start shelling Russian vassel Armenia and Georgia getting froggy.
Putin chose poorly when he sent to Orcs to Ukraine.
Rumors that Russia is about to make a war declaration and possibly a draft. Maybe all he needed was for the US/NATO and the EU to get brazen and forget it was supposed to be a covert proxy war? It would be really hard to believe there’s not a lot more left to be written in the history books about this. Neither side should be taking victory laps. ...
Russia doesn't have the equipment or logistics to supply this hypothetical new force. Even if they did, they do not have the ability to train them to fight effectively for many months--probably at least six--after this alleged declaration is made. It's not that a highly-efficient, super well-resourced country with lots of extra resources could pull it off, but that's not Sept. 2022 Russia. They're getting routed.
Russian troops have no interest in potentially dying or getting maimed to take Ukraine. It's just not in their mindset. The best way for them to be alive and with their families is to leave Ukraine. Due to the Russians, early on, killing, raping, maiming, bombing, and burning civilians alive, the Ukrainians believe that they must fight as hard as possible, for as long as possible, or they will be subject to themselves and their daughters and wives to rape and death. The Ukrainians now have better weaponry. The Russians don't even try to fly significant air sorties against them any more. War's over. It's just a matter of time.
Uh Oh. You have done it now. The Putin hero worshipers are gonna get you for speaking such blasphemy. They will tolerate nothing less than absolute praise for their Russian sugar daddy. Putin is playing 4D chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers. He can leap tall buildings with a single bound. It's a bird. it's a plane. no it's SUPER VLAD!!! LOL!
On a serious note I agree with you. A major mobilization and draft is a long term move but wouldn't change the status of the war in the short term. It takes time to train new draftees and they are going to have to build or buy some new equipment. Their tank and armored vehicle losses in Ukraine have been atrocious.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
Forbes, Reuters
Yup.
1st Guards Tank Army is destroyed as a unit.
Putin is making the beggars trip once more. First, Iran then North Korea and soon to be hat in hand with Xi at their supposed coming meeting.
China has their own severe issues internally and Xi has not publicly acknowledged that he will meet with putin lending more embarrassment to putin. This meeting will be far different than their last one in February at the start of the Ukraine invasion.
100 destroyed or captured tanks in 100 hours has gutted and totally ruined Russia’s very best tank army. With ongoing sanctions Russia will take years to replace this loss.
Forbes, Reuters
Yup.
1st Guards Tank Army is destroyed as a unit.
Putin is making the beggars trip once more. First, Iran then North Korea and soon to be hat in hand with Xi at their supposed coming meeting.
China has their own severe issues internally and Xi has not publicly acknowledged that he will meet with putin lending more embarrassment to putin. This meeting will be far different than their last one in February at the start of the Ukraine invasion.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians have plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think that you understand that by Russian law a state of war must be declared before any troops or reserves are “required” to serve in any venture. They can and they have been refusing to go to Ukraine .
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think that you understand that by Russian law a state of war must be declared before any troops or reserves are “required” to serve in any venture. They can and they have been refusing to go to Ukraine .
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think that you understand that by Russian law a state of war must be declared before any troops or reserves are “required” to serve in any venture. They can and they have been refusing to go to Ukraine .
The rest of what you say has merit.
I don't think you understand. Zero and Biden and Killery and Piglosi are not your friends.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think that you understand that by Russian law a state of war must be declared before any troops or reserves are “required” to serve in any venture. They can and they have been refusing to go to Ukraine .
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians have plenty of men and equipment.
LOL.
Next stop Odessa!
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
If you’ll look at Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida plus other states you’ll see that duck911 and were right and the naysayers are wrong and have been all along but don’t let facts get in the way.
Then there’s the Variant.
Then there’s the overrun hospitals with the mostly unvaccinated.
There’s more and we were and are right about it all along.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians has plenty of men and equipment.
I don’t think that you understand that by Russian law a state of war must be declared before any troops or reserves are “required” to serve in any venture. They can and they have been refusing to go to Ukraine .
The rest of what you say has merit.
And there’s reports tonight (being denied) that a declaration of war is forthcoming. I have no skin in the game and could care less about such dumbfugkery, but I would suggest anyone taking victory laps from either side should slow their roll or risk looking like a total fool. It ain’t over til it’s over and one battle does not a war make.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians have plenty of men and equipment.
LOL.
Next stop Odessa!
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians have plenty of men and equipment.
LOL.
Next stop Odessa!
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
There are a few really dumb Putin Pufters.
Oh please.
Why haven't the Russians taken Slovakia yet?
BrokeBack Tactical got anything new?
WTF?
Before I waste time rubbing your nose in your poo please expound, in depth, on how and why Slovakia is an isssue.
I don’t think most here understand that only a very small sliver of the Russian army has been involved or the limitations placed upon them. The bulk of the infantry is made up of the militias of the breakaway regions. Russia has a million man standing army and a couple more million reserves that can be called up. If as is anticipated the Russians designate the Ukrainian army and political leadership as terrorist the army will then be deployed in much larger numbers and the gloves will come off. The strikes on power plants yesterday is just a tiny taste of what will come with the change in legal status from a special operation to an anti terrorist campaign. The Russians have plenty of men and equipment.
LOL.
Next stop Odessa!
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
There are a few really dumb Putin Pufters.
Oh please.
Why haven't the Russians taken Slovakia yet?
BrokeBack Tactical got anything new?
WTF?
Before I waste time rubbing your nose in your poo please expound, in depth, on how and why Slovakia is an isssue.
You seem to have CNN's cock balls deep in your ass with the idea that Russia is trying to reform the Eastern Bloc.....so why haven't they gone after the others yet?
Whats your President have to say? Unreliable gas and more money to the Democrats??
You seem to have CNN's cock balls deep in your ass with the idea that Russia is trying to reform the Eastern Bloc.....so why haven't they gone after the others yet?
Whats your President have to say? Unreliable gas and more money to the Democrats??
Okay you're just stupid.
Short answer is Slovakia is on the other side of Ukraine, Orcs have to go through Ukraine to get there.
You seem to have CNN's cock balls deep in your ass with the idea that Russia is trying to reform the Eastern Bloc.....so why haven't they gone after the others yet?
Whats your President have to say? Unreliable gas and more money to the Democrats??
Okay you're just stupid.
Short answer is Slovakia is on the other side of Ukraine, Orcs have to go through Ukraine to get there.
Unless they want to go through Poland.
Probably time for you to pour yourself into bed.
Hahahaha! You are cum drunk.
Golly.....you and Tootie could be in Kyiv by noon tea!
Vlad is a huge failure because he hasn't taken Tbilisi yet. Right??
Rick might have bet I couldn't get 20K views in 4 days.
Hold my beer.
You misspelled NyQuil there hero.
Post some pics like you used to. Come on, you got it in you. I know you do sport, quit shîtting all that Uke [bleep] out your ass and step back into the game.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
Your concern is duly noted.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
My course of action remains unchanged.
We should have stayed thefuck out of it from the start. Billions of taxpayer money (OUR $$) for an Eastern European country known as the most corrupt country in “Europe” was a stupid move from the very beginning and remains stupid.
There’s nothing good that can come from our direct involvement…. but that’s what the powers to be seem to want so that’s where we’re headed.
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
There are a few really dumb Putin Pufters.
For one thing that’s not North Korean ammo the North Koreans are delivering. That’s Chinese ammo that the North Koreans are laundering for the Chinese and there’s practically an unlimited supply available to the Russians. Not only ammo but just about any part for anything the Russians have the Chinese can and will supply. There will be no shortage of arms for the Russians. The Chinese will make sure of that. The Chinese are only too happy to bleed the United States and Europe of money and material.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
Your concern is duly noted.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
My course of action remains unchanged.
We should have stayed thefuck out of it from the start. Billions of taxpayer money (OUR $$) for an Eastern European country known as the most corrupt country in “Europe” was a stupid move from the very beginning and remains stupid.
There’s nothing good that can come from our direct involvement…. but that’s what the powers to be seem to want so that’s where we’re headed.
Trust Q. The patriots are in control. The American Military is about to intervene internally and Trump will be reseated as the rightful president and I’ve bet 1000$ on it.
I don’t see dead Russian “soldiers” as a bad thing for us over here.
I also don’t see Russia staying whooped for long. I fear that if they can’t beat their opponents in face to face combat despite having the advantage of superior numbers of weapons and munitions they will escalate. They’ll use the excuse (and they’re not necessarily wrong) that the USA is actively involved in the war and in order to save Russian soldiers from a grinding war with the USA he had to use whatever means necessary to achieve victory.
Your concern is duly noted.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
My course of action remains unchanged.
We should have stayed thefuck out of it from the start. Billions of taxpayer money (OUR $$) for an Eastern European country known as the most corrupt country in “Europe” was a stupid move from the very beginning and remains stupid.
There’s nothing good that can come from our direct involvement…. but that’s what the powers to be seem to want so that’s where we’re headed.
Trust Q. The patriots are in control. The American Military is about to intervene internally and Trump will be reseated as the rightful president and I’ve bet 1000$ on it.
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
My course of action remains unchanged.
We should have stayed thefuck out of it from the start. Billions of taxpayer money (OUR $$) for an Eastern European country known as the most corrupt country in “Europe” was a stupid move from the very beginning and remains stupid.
There’s nothing good that can come from our direct involvement…. but that’s what the powers to be seem to want so that’s where we’re headed.
Removing one of our main geopolitical enemies from the board is damn good. And that has happened.
What is clear to those "in the know" is that Ukraine has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt they used the aid provided to accomplish the task.
There is no guessing now as to whether Ukraine would wisely use the help. They delivered incredibly well.
The weapons we sent killed Orc on the wholesale scale and not a drop of USA blood was needed.
But then I have a decently high risk tolerance and recognize the World ain't full of sugar and spice.
Just as soon as the Norks deliver that primo ammo the Orcs in reserve are going to open a real can of whoop azz.
Getting routed and losing all those tanks and tubes and ammo in Kharkiv was just a feint, like the run at Kyiv at the begining of the war.
There are a few really dumb Putin Pufters.
For one thing that’s not North Korean ammo the North Koreans are delivering. That’s Chinese ammo that the North Koreans are laundering for the Chinese and there’s practically an unlimited supply available to the Russians. Not only ammo but just about any part for anything the Russians have the Chinese can and will supply. There will be no shortage of arms for the Russians. The Chinese will make sure of that. The Chinese are only too happy to bleed the United States and Europe of money and material.
This ain’t about ammo, it is about missiles and drones of which Russia has pretty well spent their own Supply .
Why would China want to bleed to death their 2 biggest customers of the goods that they produce and export to?
Why not post a course of action instead of just fear?
My course of action remains unchanged.
We should have stayed thefuck out of it from the start. Billions of taxpayer money (OUR $$) for an Eastern European country known as the most corrupt country in “Europe” was a stupid move from the very beginning and remains stupid.
There’s nothing good that can come from our direct involvement…. but that’s what the powers to be seem to want so that’s where we’re headed.
Removing one of our main geopolitical enemies from the board is damn good. And that has happened.
What is clear to those "in the know" is that Ukraine has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt they used the aid provided to accomplish the task.
There is no guessing now as to whether Ukraine would wisely use the help. They delivered incredibly well.
The weapons we sent killed Orc on the wholesale scale and not a drop of USA blood was needed.
But then I have a decently high risk tolerance and recognize the World ain't full of sugar and spice.
Its not that you are simply retarded.....but how aggressively retarded you are.
Along with the Chinese ammo comes a real commitment to Russia by the Chinese and the same back from Russia. Europe has completely screwed themselves. The Russian gas is never coming back and this idea that the war will be over by October because Europe needs the gas is delusional. The Russians are going to supply just about all of China’s energy needs by much more secure overland pipelines and rail. Gas , oil , and coal that used to be destined for Europe will now go to China. This will free China from dependence on ocean born energy that is easily blockaded by the USA. This further frees China to take Taiwan. The big push by the Chinese for a world class blue water navy was greatly driven by the need to secure their energy supply and ocean trade routes The decoupling of the USA and Europe from dependence on China means China will look to Asia and Russia for markets. Markets that can be accessed by rail from China. The American Empire is dying rapidly in the Ukraine.
You seem to have CNN's cock balls deep in your ass with the idea that Russia is trying to reform the Eastern Bloc.....so why haven't they gone after the others yet?
Whats your President have to say? Unreliable gas and more money to the Democrats??
Okay you're just stupid.
Short answer is Slovakia is on the other side of Ukraine, Orcs have to go through Ukraine to get there.
Unless they want to go through Poland.
Probably time for you to pour yourself into bed.
Heh.
Bitch slap to the Eskimo.
Geography ain’t one of his stronger points nor is much else. Laughing.
Along with the Chinese ammo comes a real commitment to Russia by the Chinese and the same back from Russia. Europe has completely screwed themselves. The Russian gas is never coming back and this idea that the war will be over by October because Europe needs the gas is delusional. The Russians are going to supply just about all of China’s energy needs by much more secure overland pipelines and rail. Gas , oil , and coal that used to be destined for Europe will now go to China. This will free China from dependence on ocean born energy that is easily blockaded by the USA. This further frees China to take Taiwan. The big push by the Chinese for a world class blue water navy was greatly driven by the need to secure their energy supply and ocean trade routes The decoupling of the USA and Europe from dependence on China means China will look to Asia and Russia for markets. Markets that can be accessed by rail from China. The American Empire is dying rapidly in the Ukraine.
and bankruptcy burns is celebrating. running businesses into the ground and screwing over clients and investors is his specialty
You seem to have CNN's cock balls deep in your ass with the idea that Russia is trying to reform the Eastern Bloc.....so why haven't they gone after the others yet?
Whats your President have to say? Unreliable gas and more money to the Democrats??
Okay you're just stupid.
Short answer is Slovakia is on the other side of Ukraine, Orcs have to go through Ukraine to get there.
Unless they want to go through Poland.
Probably time for you to pour yourself into bed.
Heh.
Bitch slap to the Eskimo.
Geography ain’t one of his stronger points nor is much else. Laughing.
We know you aren't laughing Honey.
Maybe you should see if Miss Lynn's skirt is available for hiding under.
I think it’s too premature to suggest that our “geopolitical enemy” is removed from the board. It appears the lines on the board are redrawn on occasion and all we’ve done is remove our allies from the board while our geopolitical enemies become more emboldened. I would think that our enemies might take note of our depleted inventory but no matter what this Ukraine crap ain’t over. I think that whatever misery the past 5 months have brought it pales in comparison to deep winter with no power.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
I think it’s too premature to suggest that our “geopolitical enemy” is removed from the board. It appears the lines on the board are redrawn on occasion and all we’ve done is remove our allies from the board while our geopolitical enemies become more emboldened. I would think that our enemies might take note of our depleted inventory but no matter what this Ukraine crap ain’t over. I think that whatever misery the past 5 months have brought it pales in comparison to deep winter with no power.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Russia isn't just going to go home. Their next step is going to target Ukraines power grid. Of course, they've already hit some of it. But that's just the warm up act.
Russia is going to make war on Ukraine with winter.
the American middle class just lost billions today in retirement in their 401 ks while Biden's jester bankruptcy burns danced his idiotic dance
your Biden bot work is done Johnny vodka burns. destroying hard working American businesses appears to be a speciality of yours. you should be proud!!
Putins price hike ? More like Biden’s malevolence towards Americans. The intentional destruction of the fossil fuel industry by Biden combined with Biden’s disastrous sanctions that hit the US economy harder than Russia’s economy and is absolutely destroying Europe’s economy is just the beginning of the the disaster we face. As the world switches from the dollar as the world reserve currency to a BRICS+ trade system for 2/3rds plus of the world’s population inflation will explode in the US and Europe.
I think it’s too premature to suggest that our “geopolitical enemy” is removed from the board. It appears the lines on the board are redrawn on occasion and all we’ve done is remove our allies from the board while our geopolitical enemies become more emboldened. I would think that our enemies might take note of our depleted inventory but no matter what this Ukraine crap ain’t over. I think that whatever misery the past 5 months have brought it pales in comparison to deep winter with no power.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Russia isn't just going to go home. Their next step is going to target Ukraines power grid. Of course, they've already hit some of it. But that's just the warm up act.
Russia is going to make war on Ukraine with winter.
Russia just knocked out 40 per cent of power grid in Ukraine in under 2 hours the other day. Of course most of war supplies, food, supplies are transported on electric powered ukrainian RR
I think it’s too premature to suggest that our “geopolitical enemy” is removed from the board. It appears the lines on the board are redrawn on occasion and all we’ve done is remove our allies from the board while our geopolitical enemies become more emboldened. I would think that our enemies might take note of our depleted inventory but no matter what this Ukraine crap ain’t over. I think that whatever misery the past 5 months have brought it pales in comparison to deep winter with no power.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Russia isn't just going to go home. Their next step is going to target Ukraines power grid. Of course, they've already hit some of it. But that's just the warm up act.
Russia is going to make war on Ukraine with winter.
Russia just knocked out 40 per cent of power grid in Ukraine in under 2 hours the other day. Of course most of war supplies, food, supplies are transported on electric powered ukrainian RR
Not only did the Russians knock out the power they came back today and destroyed everything the Ukrainians had managed to repair. Moving supplies and men by truck is much less efficient and ties up trucks for the entire route instead of a much shorter truck transport from the railhead to the lines. Ukraine doesn’t have unlimited trucks and fuel so this is a real problem for the Ukraine. If the Russians destroy the rail and electric systems it will become much harder for the Ukrainian army to supply and fight.
Hey Johnny Awesome!!! Send away for one of these and put it up on your I love me wall. We all know your insecure vicariously living thru others deeds azz has a Awesome I love me wall. It could probably double as a poster child wall for the American Dental Association with alla the mouth breather toothy pictures of you on it too.
What a total fuuuking made up on the fly bullschitt lie....
Just like his "proprietary" lie about the aluminum alloy in his rifles Being the same as Leupold scopes aluminum alloy so the expansion from heat is the same thruout the platform.
Or his renamed ammo for his rifles from commonly available calibers. That only can be custom made by him, that no one could possibly duplicate by reloading on their own. Uh huh...
Dude is the biggest snake oil selling mutha fugga to come along since the Carpet Bagger from The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Johnny Vicariously will lie his azz off at the drop of his hat for benjamins. It has become natural to him for schit to just flow outta his mouth instantly with 0 thought. Only afterwards with a little hindsight he Hope's he never gets checked fired on what he has said. Even if that happens he has 5 6 or 12 different ways to spin schit about it in his mind. It's what lying azz con artist do because it is 2nd nature to them in CYA mode.
So does Burns want to sent my sons to fight the Russians?
Was he ever a combat participant?
Do we have a little John Bolton daddy baby thing going on here?
My suspicion is that there is money to be made for him and his associates and while he might not be in favor of sending our boys now he doesn’t mind us staying just committed enough that he and his people draw some income from the situation.
Problem is, as we ought to have learned by now, these events have a gravity that sucks us from the periphery to the center so that folks who “just want a little involvement” soon are shrugging “in for a dime in for a dollar”.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia.
Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in.
People don't want what Russia is selling.
He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man.
Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is. But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine.
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who is? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia.
Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in.
People don't want what Russia is selling.
He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who is? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A lot of talk about Europe’s interests above.
How many billions in aid have they sent Ukraine?
How many sacrifices have they made in longer term planning to avoid energy dependence upon Russia in preparation for this eventuality?
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who is? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia.
Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in.
People don't want what Russia is selling.
He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man.
That's a gratuitous assumption with, at least in the case of Ukraine, no facts to support it.
In fact, it took 2 violent, CIA-sponsored coups to get where Ukraine is now. After the first coup, Ukrainians voted themselves back to where they were pre-coup - with a pro-Russia president. After the 2nd coup, the pro-West CIA pawns criminalized support for all things Russian and even went so far as to start indiscriminately killing their own people in the Ukrainian east.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Germany is about to find out as is the rest of Europe. Is Ukraine that valuable to the world that we’d sacrifice the economies of multiple countries to prop up the corrupt Ukrainian government?…rhetorical question unfortunately.
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who is? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia.
Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in.
People don't want what Russia is selling.
He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Perfectly stated.
Europe is supporting Ukraine because they have flipped against their citizens and seek to tyranically rule over them for the benefit of the satanic NWO, WEF, EU, NATO and UN. Evidence is seen in the EU members running roughshod over the will of their people with Covid mandates, farming restrictions, etc.
Those one world govt promoting entities have no use for Nationalists like Trump or Putin.
Putin didn't go for the plan of the Nazi World Order cabal to destroy Russia with Ukranian nukes or US BIOWEAPONS and hopefully destroyed the planned next pandemic bill Gates promised was coming and which would make COVID-19 look like child's play.
Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc. Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states.
Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant, and the former members want no part of a revised version. Who is? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?
Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it.
Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it.
A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia.
Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in.
People don't want what Russia is selling.
He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man.
That's a gratuitous assumption with, at least in the case of Ukraine, no facts to support it.
In fact, it took 2 violent, CIA-sponsored coups to get where Ukraine is now. After the first coup, Ukrainians voted themselves back to where they were pre-coup - with a pro-Russia president. After the 2nd coup, the pro-West CIA pawns criminalized support for all things Russian and even went so far as to start indiscriminately killing their own people in the Ukrainian east.
Don't forget the FSB operations to install puppets and poison Ukrainian politicians with dioxin. The CIA doesn't play by itself. Russia was there.
Ukraine tooled (eta this should be "turned" not "tooled") to Europe, so Putin interfered. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Don't be unfair in your own facts.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Agree or disagree?
Go ask them dummy.
You are applying a western propaganda addled mind to an Eastern propaganda problem.
Parts of the Ukraine definitely want to be part of Russia. The Ukrainian government has been shelling them more or less daily since 2014 and that is what precipitated this mess.
Russia and Ukraine agreed to a peace deal brokered by Turkey in March. Boris Johnson flew to Kiev the next day and nixed that and one of the Ukrainian negotiators who was seen as being too “pro Russian” was killed. Everything that has happened since, all the deaths, are directly the fault of the US and Britain.
I have to say for someone who had so little faith in our government to begin with, I find myself surprised by the pure evil of our current regime on a daily basis. We don’t give a schit about Ukraine, Ukrainians or anyone else. We are cynically prolonging and feeding a war we KNOW cannot be won for the purpose of trying to bleed Russia and keep Europe tethered to us. The tens of thousands of people who have died and who will die are directly on our hands. It is so evil and cynical. It’s not justifiable in any way. It’s probably the worst phuqing thing we have ever done…and that’s saying a lot.
We have consciously made the decision to become a force for death and destruction instead of peace and even self determination. Is that the so-called American values people to on about?
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
You don’t seem to realize that all sides are tainted by horribly evil men who have less than pure motives. There are NO “good guys” only “bad guys” and “worse guys”.
Parts of the Ukraine definitely want to be part of Russia. The Ukrainian government has been shelling them more or less daily since 2014 and that is what precipitated this mess.
Russia and Ukraine agreed to a peace deal brokered by Turkey in March. Boris Johnson flew to Kiev the next day and nixed that and one of the Ukrainian negotiators who was seen as being too “pro Russian” was killed. Everything that has happened since, all the deaths, are directly the fault of the US and Britain.
I have to say for someone who had so little faith in our government to begin with, I find myself surprised by the pure evil of our current regime on a daily basis. We don’t give a schit about Ukraine, Ukrainians or anyone else. We are cynically prolonging and feeding a war we KNOW cannot be won for the purpose of trying to bleed Russia and keep Europe tethered to us. The tens of thousands of people who have died and who will die are directly on our hands. It is so evil and cynical. It’s not justifiable in any way. It’s probably the worst phuqing thing we have ever done…and that’s saying a lot.
We have consciously made the decision to become a force for death and destruction instead of peace and even self determination. Is that the so-called American values people to on about?
There are no American values present in the current regime in Mordor on the Potomac.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Agree or disagree?
Go ask them dummy.
You are applying a western propaganda addled mind to an Eastern propaganda problem.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Agree or disagree?
Go ask them dummy.
You are applying a western propaganda addled mind to an Eastern propaganda problem.
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Agree or disagree?
Go ask them dummy.
You are applying a western propaganda addled mind to an Eastern propaganda problem.
So yes. You are wrong about all that.
Just answer the questions intelligently.
Why dont you try and justify your propaganda?
My answers are Disagree.
You disagree that the Iron Curtain was to keep people in, and not to keep the West out?
You disagree that membership in the USSR was not voluntary?
You disagree that Europe does not share Putin's vision?
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
You don’t seem to realize that all sides are tainted by horribly evil men who have less than pure motives. There are NO “good guys” only “bad guys” and “worse guys”.
This Very well said after everything that has transpired over the years. And given we are not youngsters on this forum. There is a distinct patern by the U.S. Which Trump and others have tried to change. The failure to question events and view them in a different light is a given for free thinkers. Its the difference of being awake and woke.
yep. No arguing against that . The US is certainly no savior nor a fighter for democracy or freedom.
That is why the US is so despised around the world and now hated by over half of Americans
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Parts of the Ukraine definitely want to be part of Russia. The Ukrainian government has been shelling them more or less daily since 2014 and that is what precipitated this mess.
Russia and Ukraine agreed to a peace deal brokered by Turkey in March. Boris Johnson flew to Kiev the next day and nixed that and one of the Ukrainian negotiators who was seen as being too “pro Russian” was killed. Everything that has happened since, all the deaths, are directly the fault of the US and Britain.
I have to say for someone who had so little faith in our government to begin with, I find myself surprised by the pure evil of our current regime on a daily basis. We don’t give a schit about Ukraine, Ukrainians or anyone else. We are cynically prolonging and feeding a war we KNOW cannot be won for the purpose of trying to bleed Russia and keep Europe tethered to us. The tens of thousands of people who have died and who will die are directly on our hands. It is so evil and cynical. It’s not justifiable in any way. It’s probably the worst phuqing thing we have ever done…and that’s saying a lot.
We have consciously made the decision to become a force for death and destruction instead of peace and even self determination. Is that the so-called American values people to on about?
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
If they were Russians, why were they not in Russia? If life was so bad for them, and if Putin cared for them so much, why did he not accept them into Russia?
He wanted more territory. Just like the Sudetenland and Pomerania. It's an old trick, Putin certainly did not invent it, but he used it in Ukraine.
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Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right.
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You don’t seem to realize that all sides are tainted by horribly evil men who have less than pure motives. There are NO “good guys” only “bad guys” and “worse guys”.
I realize that completely. I do not subscribe to "moral equivalency." At least I try not to.
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
If they were Russians, why were they not in Russia? If life was so bad for them, and if Putin cared for them so much, why did he not accept them into Russia? Maybe it was their 'homeland'? Like where they've lived for generations?
He wanted more territory. Just like the Sudetenland and Pomerania. It's an old trick, Putin certainly did not invent it, but he used it in Ukraine.
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Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right. Poor examples, seriously?
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You don’t seem to realize that all sides are tainted by horribly evil men who have less than pure motives. There are NO “good guys” only “bad guys” and “worse guys”.
I realize that completely. I do not subscribe to "moral equivalency." At least I try not to. Yet it is clear in how you state your posit that emotion plays a roll.
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right.
What are some good examples?
I agree those wrongs don’t make a right. But we aren’t dealing in “right” we’re dealing with “workable”.
If a country is killing its own citizens by what standard do you decide when it is ok for another to step in & stop it?
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right.
What are some good examples?
I agree those wrongs don’t make a right. But we aren’t dealing in “right” we’re dealing with “workable”.
If a country is killing its own citizens by what standard do you decide when it is ok for another to step in & stop it?
And how many $$'s do you spend[that you don't actually have] to do it?
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
If they were Russians, why were they not in Russia? If life was so bad for them, and if Putin cared for them so much, why did he not accept them into Russia?
You don’t seem to know much history.
Europe isn’t the US. Borders aren’t as neat and tidy there as they are here; in Ukraine, which isn’t even a country in the same sense as Finland, Norway, or Sweden.
It was put together haphazardly by outsiders when settling World Wars. People with different cultural heritages speaking different languages lived in places that those powers didn’t find convenient when they apportioned lands to one “country” or another… or really as they manufactured countries.
It is telling however that you question Putin’s motives in (possibly?) rescuing people vs S’s in slaughtering them? You seem to be ok with Z’s crimes in ways you’re not with Putin.
Again pick yer poison but give up illusions of one side pure as the driven snow, nationalist patriot Z fighting those evil Soviet invaders like Red Dawn or some such non sense.
This is all far too complicated for ignorant Americans in DC to handle, much less “I’m in favor of the latest thing” sorts on the internet. It’d be best if we let European concerns (which you repeated earlier without justifying OUR multi-billion dollar interest) be handled according to European standards and stay out of it all.
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right.
What are some good examples?
I agree those wrongs don’t make a right. But we aren’t dealing in “right” we’re dealing with “workable”.
If a country is killing its own citizens by what standard do you decide when it is ok for another to step in & stop it?
And how many $$'s do you spend[that you don't actually have] to do it?
Very good question we’ve gotten an answer to (UNLIMITED; at least till we run outta ink) but just to be clear I was referring to Russia crossing the border to stop slaughter in Donbas not to our involvement.
So does Burns want to sent my sons to fight the Russians?
Was he ever a combat participant?
Do we have a little John Bolton daddy baby thing going on here?
My suspicion is that there is money to be made for him and his associates and while he might not be in favor of sending our boys now he doesn’t mind us staying just committed enough that he and his people draw some income from the situation.
Problem is, as we ought to have learned by now, these events have a gravity that sucks us from the periphery to the center so that folks who “just want a little involvement” soon are shrugging “in for a dime in for a dollar”.
Fools all.
Is this true Mr. John Burns? Do you want my sons to go fight on foreign soil and die so that you can make some dirty money?
Burns is a smirking ghoul who thrives off of the death and destruction of innocent people.
Of course this cowardly moron never served in combat like all of the other pedo war mongering supporters on here.
Originally Posted by IZH27
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by IZH27
So does Burns want to sent my sons to fight the Russians?
Was he ever a combat participant?
Do we have a little John Bolton daddy baby thing going on here?
My suspicion is that there is money to be made for him and his associates and while he might not be in favor of sending our boys now he doesn’t mind us staying just committed enough that he and his people draw some income from the situation.
Problem is, as we ought to have learned by now, these events have a gravity that sucks us from the periphery to the center so that folks who “just want a little involvement” soon are shrugging “in for a dime in for a dollar”.
Fools all.
Is this true Mr. John Burns? Do you want my sons to go fight on foreign soil and die so that you can make some dirty money?
Did you have to practice to be that wrong about everything?
Let's do this point by point.
"Maybe the point is not Ukraine's government, but its importance to a new Eastern Bloc."
Agree or disagree?
"Ukraine would be a foundational part of that, and western Europe does not want to see that happen, and apparently neither do most former Soviet states."
Agree or disagree?
"Being in the former USSR was neither voluntary nor pleasant,"
Agree or disagree?
"and the former members want no part of a revised version."
Agree or disagree?
"Who does? Who is in Russia's orbit? Belarus, Chechnya?"
Agree or disagree?
"Europe does not want that, so they are helping Ukraine resist it."
Agree or disagree?
"Vlad has his vision for the world, and Europe does not share it."
Agree or disagree?
"A key difference is that countries are applying to the EU for membership, but not Russia."
Agree or disagree?
"Just like the iron curtain was not to keep Europe out, but the poor USSR folks in."
Agree or disagree?
"People don't want what Russia is selling."
Agree or disagree?
"He should try carrots, not sticks, but that's not in his nature as a former KGB man."
Agree or disagree?
"Putin has his rights to his own visions, and he is not wrong about everything. Nobody is."
Agree or disagree?
"But Ukraine wants no part of a new Eastern Bloc, neither does Europe, or the USA. That's why we are where we are today in Ukraine."
Agree or disagree?
Go ask them dummy.
You are applying a western propaganda addled mind to an Eastern propaganda problem.
So yes. You are wrong about all that.
Just answer the questions intelligently.
Why dont you try and justify your propaganda?
My answers are Disagree.
You disagree that the Iron Curtain was to keep people in, and not to keep the West out?
You disagree that membership in the USSR was not voluntary?
You disagree that Europe does not share Putin's vision?
Ok, that says it all.
You support the US policies that make Russians yearn for the USSR to come back.
That says it all.
And no...you are very obtuse if you think that Russians and Eastern Europeans think like westerners.
Or is that something that only the US & Western Europe can do due to their excellent track record with humanitarian aid in countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Those are poor examples, and 2, 3, or even 4 wrongs do not make a right.
What are some good examples?
There may not be too many, but maybe Pershing's Mexican expedition. We had a problem with certain people, so we went in, fought them, and left. It was not a pretext for a land grab.
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If a country is killing its own citizens by what standard do you decide when it is ok for another to step in & stop it?
There is no uniform, bright-line rule for that. I presume you agree with that.
There is an argument that stepping in is never allowed. Certainly, Putin could have invited those dear Russians so important to him home to Russia. But it's pretty evident that he didn't want the Russians, he thinks all of Ukraine is rightfully Russian. He wants the land. It's in his speech, and can be found on a Russian website. He rewrote history to erase independent Ukraine.
The problem is that Ukraine feels differently. That's why they declared independence from the USSR as soon as they could. They want no part of Russia. And Russia guaranteed their territorial sovereignty. Now Russia reneged on that guarantee, but the Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia.
Do a minority of Ukrainians want to? Sure. No border is perfect. If Putin gets only the two breakaway regions, what about the poor Ukrainians in those? Is Ukraine entitled to invade, to protect the Ukrainians? Of course that leads to absurdity. Which is why we accept imperfect borders.
Putin wants Ukraine, Ukraine doesn't want Putin. Ukraine asked for help, we are entitled to help them. Europe is entitled to not want Putin to realize his revanchist aspirations. Putin is entitled to feel otherwise.
But he is not entitled to invade Ukraine, and certainly he has no right to expect others not to help Ukraine.
How many of its own citizens (in this case Russians) can a country kill before those who step in are “intervening” not “interfering”?
If they were Russians, why were they not in Russia? If life was so bad for them, and if Putin cared for them so much, why did he not accept them into Russia?
You don’t seem to know much history.
You are mistaken.
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Europe isn’t the US. Borders aren’t as neat and tidy there as they are here;
Agreed
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in Ukraine, which isn’t even a country in the same sense as Finland, Norway, or Sweden.
Disagree. It is a sovereign nation, and Russia guaranteed their territorial integrity.[/QUOTE]
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It was put together haphazardly by outsiders when settling World Wars. People with different cultural heritages speaking different languages lived in places that those powers didn’t find convenient when they apportioned lands to one “country” or another… or really as they manufactured countries.
So what? No borders are perfect. It's not a legitimate pretext to invade. Like the Sudetenland and Pomerania. Those were land grabs.
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It is telling however that you question Putin’s motives in (possibly?) rescuing people vs S’s in slaughtering them? You seem to be ok with Z’s crimes in ways you’re not with Putin.
What effort did Putin make to relocate those people to Russia? If the treatment was so bad, why did they not leave Ukraine for Russia? That behavior is very telling. I do question Putin's motives, because he has revealed them.
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Again pick yer poison but give up illusions of one side pure as the driven snow, nationalist patriot Z fighting those evil Soviet invaders like Red Dawn or some such non sense.
I have no such illusions and you cannot find where I have expressed any. Speak for yourself, and your uncritical reflexive support for Putin. The enemy of your enemy need not be your friend, sometimes you have 2 enemies.
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This is all far too complicated for ignorant Americans in DC to handle, much less “I’m in favor of the latest thing” sorts on the internet. It’d be best if we let European concerns (which you repeated earlier without justifying OUR multi-billion dollar interest) be handled according to European standards and stay out of it all.
And if Europe asks us for help?
I'm not sure isolationism would be better for us or the world. Msybe, maybe not. Where did it get us last time?
Staged and planned war for globalist, crooked azz politicians for CYA in their money laundering haven. Bonus of stock portfolios for beautiful peoples to make off of via wpns industry, ag industry, energy sectors and the eventual rebuilding of the schithole. All the while buckethead central gains power and we lose it.
This same schit woulda gone down if Hillary would have won... The same selling out of our nation also woulda happened under her just like it has since Honk for Joey was installed via election fraud. With the only difference we would have had no C19 bullschit like what occurred to undermine President Trump because of his tough policies on buckethead central and america 1st.
Nothing more, nothing less....
See the bigger picture. Being a short sighted group think for acceptance cheerleader for the UKE,s is a fools errand.
He wants the eastern third including the Black Sea ports. That land is a strategic buffer against NATO, has a large population of ethnic Russians, and its contains all of the valuable industries, resources , agriculture. Kind of like when the US invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Yemen.... for oil. Who knows why the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
Pretty simple to understand. The remaining part of ukraine is just a facist corrupt vassal state of NATO and is useless for Russia. As mentioned probably absorbed by Poland.
He doesn't want the entire country.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Putin wants Ukraine......if you can't get that part right then you can't get any part right.
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We shoulda taken the whole GD thing, if we had we’d not still be fighting this war.
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We shoulda taken the whole GD thing, if we had we’d not still be fighting this war.
No, the Mexicans can keep Mexico if they will stay there.
He wants the eastern third including the Black Sea ports. That land is a strategic buffer against NATO, has a large population of ethnic Russians, and its contains all of the valuable industries, resources , agriculture. Kind of like when the US invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Yemen.... for oil. Who knows why the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
Pretty simple to understand. The remaining part of ukraine is just a facist corrupt vassal state of NATO and is useless for Russia. As mentioned probably absorbed by Poland.
He doesn't want the entire country.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Putin wants Ukraine......if you can't get that part right then you can't get any part right.
Start over.
I agree, Putin does want Ukraine.
See....you are not near as smart as you imagine.
Putin wants this and a demilitarized neutral Ukraine. Putin might also like the Russian enclave in Moldova. If Georgia keeps talking stupid about joining NATO Putin might invade Georgia too. If we keep it up and poke the bear one time too many Putin could mobilize the Russian army and roll across Europe. If you understand just how weak the Europeans are and how hollowed out and demoralized our woke army is you would know Russia would win. China would pile on with Taiwan invasion and support for the Russian invasion of Europe. The Ukraine is the biggest army in Europe and had been trained and preparing to officially join NATO. The performance of the Ukrainian army is the best of what you’d get out of the rest of Europe. Russia has been kicking the arse of an army of 600,000 with about 130,000 men. Most of those are militia from the breakaway regions with about 50,000 actual Russian regulars. Our leading edge weapons are really good but there’s not enough of them. Reality is WE would quickly fall back to the first use of nuclear weapons and then anyone left alive will get to enjoy a post modern civilization. The path the American Empire is taking is very likely to end civilization as we know it. Most here seem to be mistaking Russia’s very constrained special operation with its limitations and limited manpower for unrestricted warfare by the Russian army. Russia is holding its army and frontline equipment for the very possible war with NATO. Up until just three days ago the Russians hadn’t taken out power , communications , rail , and bridges and roads. Three days ago the Russians hit a limited number of power stations to cripple the rail in the area. They haven’t even hit the actual rail much. Just cut the power for the electric trains to slow the resupply of the area they were retreating from.
The US and NATO are obviously trying to Get Russia to upgrade to an actual war. Russia has a great deal of patience and is basically waiting for the highly leveraged economies in the US and the EU to implode and cause chaos. And let the US and EU imposed sanctions to cause mass starvation and food shortages to occur in Africa and the east which would cause mass migrations to the EU.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by ribka
He wants the eastern third including the Black Sea ports. That land is a strategic buffer against NATO, has a large population of ethnic Russians, and its contains all of the valuable industries, resources , agriculture. Kind of like when the US invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Yemen.... for oil. Who knows why the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
Pretty simple to understand. The remaining part of ukraine is just a facist corrupt vassal state of NATO and is useless for Russia. As mentioned probably absorbed by Poland.
He doesn't want the entire country.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Putin wants Ukraine......if you can't get that part right then you can't get any part right.
Start over.
I agree, Putin does want Ukraine.
See....you are not near as smart as you imagine.
Putin wants this and a demilitarized neutral Ukraine. Putin might also like the Russian enclave in Moldova. If Georgia keeps talking stupid about joining NATO Putin might invade Georgia too. If we keep it up and poke the bear one time too many Putin could mobilize the Russian army and roll across Europe. If you understand just how weak the Europeans are and how hollowed out and demoralized our woke army is you would know Russia would win. China would pile on with Taiwan invasion and support for the Russian invasion of Europe. The Ukraine is the biggest army in Europe and had been trained and preparing to officially join NATO. The performance of the Ukrainian army is the best of what you’d get out of the rest of Europe. Russia has been kicking the arse of an army of 600,000 with about 130,000 men. Most of those are militia from the breakaway regions with about 50,000 actual Russian regulars. Our leading edge weapons are really good but there’s not enough of them. Reality is WE would quickly fall back to the first use of nuclear weapons and then anyone left alive will get to enjoy a post modern civilization. The path the American Empire is taking is very likely to end civilization as we know it. Most here seem to be mistaking Russia’s very constrained special operation with its limitations and limited manpower for unrestricted warfare by the Russian army. Russia is holding its army and frontline equipment for the very possible war with NATO. Up until just three days ago the Russians hadn’t taken out power , communications , rail , and bridges and roads. Three days ago the Russians hit a limited number of power stations to cripple the rail in the area. They haven’t even hit the actual rail much. Just cut the power for the electric trains to slow the resupply of the area they were retreating from.
Sources in the city, which is in southeast-central Ukraine, said seven cruise missiles slammed into the east end of the dam at around 5.05 p.m., just as air raid sirens began to wail. Later reports updated the number of missiles to eight.
Video of the results of the strike was soon posted on social media, showing extensive damage to a building and part of the dam structure. Another video showed high levels of water rushing down the Inhulets River, which passes through Kryvyi Rih and snakes down to join the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
Posting on the Telegram messenger after the strike, Dnipropetrovsk Governor Valentin Reznichenko said there had been no casualties as a result of the attack on the dam, but that several structures had been seriously damaged and several districts of the city were left without water.
If they hit five or six of those big transformers at once, the ones that more or less have to be custom ordered from China, it’s lights out for the foreseeable future.
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We paid mexico IIRC 20 mil for those lands and took on the 3.5 mil of claims by U.S citizens against mexico. Per the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. I'm kinda a amateur history buff as are others on here.... I can remember off the top of my once prompted. Anyone can fact check what I just posted. I might be off a smidgen on what I remember though so please dont hold it against me.👍
What those translate dollars back then translate into todays dollars???
Someone else can do that math of todays dollar versus the one in 1848.
He wants the eastern third including the Black Sea ports. That land is a strategic buffer against NATO, has a large population of ethnic Russians, and its contains all of the valuable industries, resources , agriculture. Kind of like when the US invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Yemen.... for oil. Who knows why the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
Pretty simple to understand. The remaining part of ukraine is just a facist corrupt vassal state of NATO and is useless for Russia. As mentioned probably absorbed by Poland.
He doesn't want the entire country.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Putin wants Ukraine......if you can't get that part right then you can't get any part right.
Start over.
I agree, Putin does want Ukraine.
See....you are not near as smart as you imagine.
And buckethead central got oil rights in Iraq. And buckethead central got ore and mineral rights in afghamistan.
We got jakk schit outta either.
Beautiful people world wide playing buckethead centrals game are the ones getting the final payoff cut from buckethead central with their saaaaweet investments they have been able to make thru political backwater and corporate dealings.
The US and NATO are obviously trying to Get Russia to upgrade to an actual war. Russia has a great deal of patience and is basically waiting for the highly leveraged economies in the US and the EU to implode and cause chaos. And let the US and EU imposed sanctions to cause mass starvation and food shortages to occur in Africa and the east which would cause mass migrations to the EU.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
[quote=ribka]He wants the eastern third including the Black Sea ports. That land is a strategic buffer against NATO, has a large population of ethnic Russians, and its contains all of the valuable industries, resources , agriculture. Kind of like when the US invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Yemen.... for oil. Who knows why the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
Pretty simple to understand. The remaining part of ukraine is just a facist corrupt vassal state of NATO and is useless for Russia. As mentioned probably absorbed by Poland.
He doesn't want the .
Correct, just as Putin said, it's a Nazi cleanup operation. He wants the east and not Ukraine proper.
For the MSM suckers, he also doesn't want to take other nations.
He wanted to take out the illegal Bioweapons Labs and stop the nuclear plans for Ukraine. He probably wants to cut off the head of the Kenite Vipers that killed the King of Prussia and turned the nation over to Lenin and Stalin and pay the Nazis back for the misery and death they perpetrated on Russians in previous wars.
You're right, Ribka in that he can wait for NATO and the EU to fall along with the fall of the Neonazis in the US and the fall of DC along with the Trump/Patriots caused US Bolshevik economy under the DNC.
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We paid mexico IIRC 20 mil for those lands and took on the 3.5 mil of claims by U.S citizens against mexico. Per the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. I'm kinda a amateur history buff as are others on here.... I can remember off the top of my once prompted. Anyone can fact check what I just posted. I might be off a smidgen on what I remember though so please dont hold it against me.👍
What those translate dollars back then translate into todays dollars???
Someone else can do that math of todays dollar versus the one in 1848.
Being an amateur history buff, I’m sure you realize that .5$ an acre was stealing even back then.
https://rumble.com/v1k1vg3-calm-in-the-kremlin-smo-plan-for-now.-ato-remains-on-the-table.html Interesting discussion about the current situation in Ukraine. Apparently the Russians had almost completely withdrawn from the north and the Ukrainians basically punched air. The Special Operation status will continue for the immediate future. The big news that’s been lost in all the western propaganda is that Bakhmut is about to fall to the Russians and that is key to the Donetsk region. Bakhmut is the headquarters for the Ukrainian army in Donetsk and the senior Ukrainian commanders have been withdrawn. So the Kharkov offensive was a very bloody propaganda victory for the Ukraine. The Russian artillery and aircraft chewed up the Ukrainians caught moving in the open but since the Russian ground forces had already withdrawn there were few Russian casualties. They discuss reasons why the Russian commanders might have made that decision.
https://rumble.com/v1k1vg3-calm-in-the-kremlin-smo-plan-for-now.-ato-remains-on-the-table.html Interesting discussion about the current situation in Ukraine. Apparently the Russians had almost completely withdrawn from the north and the Ukrainians basically punched air. The Special Operation status will continue for the immediate future. The big news that’s been lost in all the western propaganda is that Bakhmut is about to fall to the Russians and that is key to the Donetsk region. Bakhmut is the headquarters for the Ukrainian army in Donetsk and the senior Ukrainian commanders have been withdrawn. So the Kharkov offensive was a very bloody propaganda victory for the Ukraine. The Russian artillery and aircraft chewed up the Ukrainians caught moving in the open but since the Russian ground forces had already withdrawn there were few Russian casualties. They discuss reasons why the Russian commanders might have made that decision.
The US and NATO are obviously trying to Get Russia to upgrade to an actual war. Russia has a great deal of patience and is basically waiting for the highly leveraged economies in the US and the EU to implode and cause chaos. And let the US and EU imposed sanctions to cause mass starvation and food shortages to occur in Africa and the east which would cause mass migrations to the EU.
You are smart son of a gun...
Any virus will attack when the immunity system is weakest...
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We paid mexico IIRC 20 mil for those lands and took on the 3.5 mil of claims by U.S citizens against mexico. Per the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. I'm kinda a amateur history buff as are others on here.... I can remember off the top of my once prompted. Anyone can fact check what I just posted. I might be off a smidgen on what I remember though so please dont hold it against me.👍
What those translate dollars back then translate into todays dollars???
Someone else can do that math of todays dollar versus the one in 1848.
Being an amateur history buff, I’m sure you realize that .5$ an acre was stealing even back then.
Did you figure out the competitive value of the dollar back then to now?? How much is it??? And what do you have to support the 5 cents an acre price??? Did you do the math on it all land wise??? Be interesting to know how much per acre it was. The "Cans" agreed to the treaty. They got paid for the annexed lands and got the claims against them absolved of their responsibility to pay them.
And buckethead central got oil rights in Iraq. And buckethead central got ore and mineral rights in afghamistan.
you left out the opium trade. BHC runs that now too.
and again no one asks were are the republicans?
DGAF about the opium trade. Or buckethead central fentanyl schit either.
It kills d bag junkies for the most part. The others are collateral damage that die. Honk for Joey is to blame for it.. And narcan is bullschit for habitual junkies also.
And why did you selective edit my post and too what purpose is it serving in your mind ???
You think I didnt know a the poppy trade, or the corrupt poppy eradication program in Afghanistan.
Pretty sure I made a thread about it yrs ago and what a joke it was.
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We paid mexico IIRC 20 mil for those lands and took on the 3.5 mil of claims by U.S citizens against mexico. Per the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. I'm kinda a amateur history buff as are others on here.... I can remember off the top of my once prompted. Anyone can fact check what I just posted. I might be off a smidgen on what I remember though so please dont hold it against me.👍
What those translate dollars back then translate into todays dollars???
Someone else can do that math of todays dollar versus the one in 1848.
Being an amateur history buff, I’m sure you realize that .5$ an acre was stealing even back then.
Did you figure out the competitive value of the dollar back then to now?? How much is it??? And what do you have to support the 5 cents an acre price??? Did you do the math on it all land wise??? Be interesting to know how much per acre it was. The "Cans" agreed to the treaty. They got paid for the annexed lands and got the claims against them absolved of their responsibility to pay them.
No more no less...
With an army still occupying their capital.
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The land that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo brought into the United States became, between 1850 and 1912, all or part of ten states: California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), and Arizona (1912), as well as, depending upon interpretation, the entire state of Texas (1845), which then included part of Kansas (1861); Colorado (1876); Oklahoma (1907); and New Mexico (1912). The area of domain acquired was given by the Federal Interagency Committee as 338,680,960 acres.[15] The cost was $16,295,149 or approximately 5 cents an acre.[15] The remainder (the southern parts) of New Mexico and Arizona were peacefully purchased under the Gadsden Purchase, which was carried out in 1853. In this purchase the United States paid an additional $10 million (equivalent to $250 million in 2020), for land intended to accommodate a transcontinental railroad. However, the American Civil War delayed construction of such a route, and it was not until 1881 that the Southern Pacific Railroad finally was completed as a second transcontinental railroad, fulfilling the purpose of the acquisition.[16]
Pretty funny that someone would mention Pershing’s Expedition as an example of the US invading and not taking territory without mentioning that a mere 70 years before that we had invaded and taken the entire northern half of Mexico as spoils of the war. Lol
We paid mexico IIRC 20 mil for those lands and took on the 3.5 mil of claims by U.S citizens against mexico. Per the Treaty of Guadalupe IIRC. I'm kinda a amateur history buff as are others on here.... I can remember off the top of my once prompted. Anyone can fact check what I just posted. I might be off a smidgen on what I remember though so please dont hold it against me.👍
What those translate dollars back then translate into todays dollars???
Someone else can do that math of todays dollar versus the one in 1848.
Being an amateur history buff, I’m sure you realize that .5$ an acre was stealing even back then.
Did you figure out the competitive value of the dollar back then to now?? How much is it??? And what do you have to support the 5 cents an acre price??? Did you do the math on it all land wise??? Be interesting to know how much per acre it was. The "Cans" agreed to the treaty. They got paid for the annexed lands and got the claims against them absolved of their responsibility to pay them.
No more no less...
With an army still occupying their capital.
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The land that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo brought into the United States became, between 1850 and 1912, all or part of ten states: California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), and Arizona (1912), as well as, depending upon interpretation, the entire state of Texas (1845), which then included part of Kansas (1861); Colorado (1876); Oklahoma (1907); and New Mexico (1912). The area of domain acquired was given by the Federal Interagency Committee as 338,680,960 acres.[15] The cost was $16,295,149 or approximately 5 cents an acre.[15] The remainder (the southern parts) of New Mexico and Arizona were peacefully purchased under the Gadsden Purchase, which was carried out in 1853. In this purchase the United States paid an additional $10 million (equivalent to $250 million in 2020), for land intended to accommodate a transcontinental railroad. However, the American Civil War delayed construction of such a route, and it was not until 1881 that the Southern Pacific Railroad finally was completed as a second transcontinental railroad, fulfilling the purpose of the acquisition.[16]
Well at least I caused you to goggle fu some factual stuff and learn something. And you posted it up to share with others. That's a plus for you.
Better than the drunk history schit people always spew on here that they often think is gonna go uncorrected or unquestioned.
I like stimulating thought I also like stimulating the " oh schit factor " too.
If the west claims something don’t believe it unless they deny it.
What about when Russia denies things?
This will help you connect the dots. If the Neonazi's MSM and Dimocommie DNC and POS Rinos tell you someone is good and someone is bad, get a clue and reverse what they Saud.
Trump is bad becomes the truth to Trump is good. Lindell is bad becomes the truth to Trump is good. Q is bad becomes Q is good . Putih is bad becomes Putin is good.
See, it's not rocket science.
HE said, See what fruit the tree produces before partaking of its fruit.
And why did you selective edit my post and too what purpose is it serving in your mind ???
You think I didnt know a the poppy trade, or the corrupt poppy eradication program in Afghanistan.
Pretty sure I made a thread about it yrs ago and what a joke it was.
Pretty sure what you post isnt required reading, much less remembering what you posted from yrs ago?
Your posts, like everyone else's posts are for entertainment purposes only. I dont go out of my way to remember very much of what gets posted here. Nothing posted here effects anything/anywhere beyond here if we were being honest.
Along with the Chinese ammo comes a real commitment to Russia by the Chinese and the same back from Russia. Europe has completely screwed themselves. The Russian gas is never coming back and this idea that the war will be over by October because Europe needs the gas is delusional. The Russians are going to supply just about all of China’s energy needs by much more secure overland pipelines and rail. Gas , oil , and coal that used to be destined for Europe will now go to China. This will free China from dependence on ocean born energy that is easily blockaded by the USA. This further frees China to take Taiwan. The big push by the Chinese for a world class blue water navy was greatly driven by the need to secure their energy supply and ocean trade routes The decoupling of the USA and Europe from dependence on China means China will look to Asia and Russia for markets. Markets that can be accessed by rail from China. The American Empire is dying rapidly in the Ukraine.
and bankruptcy burns is celebrating. running businesses into the ground and screwing over clients and investors is his specialty
Along with the Chinese ammo comes a real commitment to Russia by the Chinese and the same back from Russia. Europe has completely screwed themselves. The Russian gas is never coming back and this idea that the war will be over by October because Europe needs the gas is delusional. The Russians are going to supply just about all of China’s energy needs by much more secure overland pipelines and rail. Gas , oil , and coal that used to be destined for Europe will now go to China. This will free China from dependence on ocean born energy that is easily blockaded by the USA. This further frees China to take Taiwan. The big push by the Chinese for a world class blue water navy was greatly driven by the need to secure their energy supply and ocean trade routes The decoupling of the USA and Europe from dependence on China means China will look to Asia and Russia for markets. Markets that can be accessed by rail from China. The American Empire is dying rapidly in the Ukraine.
and bankruptcy burns is celebrating. running businesses into the ground and screwing over clients and investors is his specialty
I just want to again predict that Russia will take all of the Donbas and all of coastal Ukraine to Moldova. That means Odessa. I will also predict that if NATO keeps up the provocations Russia will take ALL of the Ukraine.
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
Are We the Baddies? Nazi SS Death’s Head Insignia Spotted During Zelensky Selfie Session With Troops Yesterday (Updated: Yesterday) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky poses with soldiers, including a trooper wearing an SS-Totenkopf badge, during a visit to Kharkov India
Ilya Tsukanov
Western media have dramatically downplayed the presence of ultra-right forces in the ranks of the Ukrainian Army and National Guard to make them more palatable to domestic audiences, and to justify the tens of billions of dollars in military assistance being sent to Kiev as their own nations descend into inflationary and energy crises. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has published a photo to his official Telegram page posing with a trooper sporting an SS-Totenkopf badge. The image, taken during Zelensky’s trip to Izyum, a city in Kharkov region which Ukrainian forces recently entered after Russian forces were redeployed out of the area, shows the clearly visible Nazi badge on the body armor of a soldier standing guard with his back turned to the Ukrainian president as he poses with other fighters.
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
I’m simply stating my prediction for the future. I really don’t know where you get that Putin is begging for arms. As for the provocation part it’s USA/NATO that started this war back in ‘14. The ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbas by real genuine Nazis against ethnic Russians had become too much to ignore along with the statements by US government officials that Ukraine would be invited into NATO. This was the trigger for a hot war in the Ukraine. We are the real aggressors and we’re the ones propping up the most corrupt and bloodthirsty regime in Europe. There would have already been a peace deal if we had not objected. It’s we who are fighting to the last Ukrainian. The word Ukraine means borderlands and that’s what it has always been. Borderlands under the control of Russia. To think that Russia would not see NATO installing an unfriendly government that discriminated against , terrorized , and murdered ethnic Russians in the Russian borderlands as anything other than an act of war is delusional. Putin has consistently said the expansion of NATO into the Ukraine was a redline and we attempted it anyway. Wonder how we would react if China were to overthrow the Canadian government and install a puppet regime in Canada and were then going to put massive amounts of troops on our border.
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
I’m simply stating my prediction for the future. I really don’t know where you get that Putin is begging for arms. As for the provocation part it’s USA/NATO that started this war back in ‘14. The ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbas by real genuine Nazis against ethnic Russians had become too much to ignore along with the statements by US government officials that Ukraine would be invited into NATO. This was the trigger for a hot war in the Ukraine. We are the real aggressors and we’re the ones propping up the most corrupt and bloodthirsty regime in Europe. There would have already been a peace deal if we had not objected. It’s we who are fighting to the last Ukrainian. The word Ukraine means borderlands and that’s what it has always been. Borderlands under the control of Russia. To think that Russia would not see NATO installing an unfriendly government that discriminated against , terrorized , and murdered ethnic Russians in the Russian borderlands as anything other than an act of war is delusional. Putin has consistently said the expansion of NATO into the Ukraine was a redline and we attempted it anyway. Wonder how we would react if China were to overthrow the Canadian government and install a puppet regime in Canada and were then going to put massive amounts of troops on our border.
Agreed Kind of like the whole Russia and the Cuban missle crisis some 60 odd years ago. Some folks either have selective memory or don't know history.
Hmmm, this reads kinda funny with a little find and replace Note, I'm not taking either side, they're both immoral and rotten IMHO. But note how this reads and logically where we're headed with these turf battles.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Germany using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Hitler is in Moscow right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the French getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Germans wanted a walk in the park, I hear Poland is nice this time of year....
I’m simply stating my prediction for the future. I really don’t know where you get that Hitler is begging for arms. As for the provocation part it’s USA/ALLIES that started this war back in ‘14. The ethnic cleansing campaign in the Sudetenland by real genuine French against ethnic Germans had become too much to ignore along with the statements by US government officials that France would be invited into the ALLIES. This was the trigger for a hot war in the France. We are the real aggressors and we’re the ones propping up the most corrupt and bloodthirsty regime in Europe. There would have already been a peace deal if we had not objected. It’s we who are fighting to the last Frenchman. The word France means borderlands and that’s what it has always been. Borderlands under the control of Germany. To think that Germany would not see ALLY installing an unfriendly government that discriminated against , terrorized , and murdered ethnic Germans in the German borderlands as anything other than an act of war is delusional. Hitler has consistently said the expansion of ALLIES into the France was a redline and we attempted it anyway. Wonder how we would react if China were to overthrow the Canadian government and install a puppet regime in Canada and were then going to put massive amounts of troops on our border. [/quote]
Hmmm, this reads kinda funny with a little find and replace Note, I'm not taking either side, they're both immoral and rotten IMHO. But note how this reads and logically where we're headed with these turf battles.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Germany using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Hitler is in Moscow right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the French getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Germans wanted a walk in the park, I hear Poland is nice this time of year....
I’m simply stating my prediction for the future. I really don’t know where you get that Hitler is begging for arms. As for the provocation part it’s USA/ALLIES that started this war back in ‘14. The ethnic cleansing campaign in the Sudetenland by real genuine French against ethnic Germans had become too much to ignore along with the statements by US government officials that France would be invited into the ALLIES. This was the trigger for a hot war in the France. We are the real aggressors and we’re the ones propping up the most corrupt and bloodthirsty regime in Europe. There would have already been a peace deal if we had not objected. It’s we who are fighting to the last Frenchman. The word France means borderlands and that’s what it has always been. Borderlands under the control of Germany. To think that Germany would not see ALLY installing an unfriendly government that discriminated against , terrorized , and murdered ethnic Germans in the German borderlands as anything other than an act of war is delusional. Hitler has consistently said the expansion of ALLIES into the France was a redline and we attempted it anyway. Wonder how we would react if China were to overthrow the Canadian government and install a puppet regime in Canada and were then going to put massive amounts of troops on our border.
[/quote] Not quite but a much better parallel would be what France and more so England did with Poland and Germany. After the First World War allies put an area of German ethnicity into Poland. Poland was treating the German minority badly. Hitler warned Poland and was looking for an excuse to retake the area. France and England told the Polish to tell Hitler to go fornicate himself that they had their back. Didn’t work out well for the Poles or the world and it’s not working out well for the Ukraine. In this case we’re telling the Ukraine we’ve got your back but the Ukraine is no more able than the Poles were. Does this mean WWIII and hundreds of millions dead if not billions dead and the end of civilization as we’ve known it ? Personally I would like us to back out of the war we started and let the Russians impose the peace settlement they desire. No NATO country is under threat of invasion and unless the Baltic states start attacking ethnic Russians in their countries or block access to the Russian territory on the Black Sea I don’t see Russia as a threat.
Hmmm, this reads kinda funny with a little find and replace Note, I'm not taking either side, they're both immoral and rotten IMHO. But note how this reads and logically where we're headed with these turf battles.
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Germany using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Hitler is in Moscow right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the French getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Germans wanted a walk in the park, I hear Poland is nice this time of year....
I’m simply stating my prediction for the future. I really don’t know where you get that Hitler is begging for arms. As for the provocation part it’s USA/ALLIES that started this war back in ‘14. The ethnic cleansing campaign in the Sudetenland by real genuine French against ethnic Germans had become too much to ignore along with the statements by US government officials that France would be invited into the ALLIES. This was the trigger for a hot war in the France. We are the real aggressors and we’re the ones propping up the most corrupt and bloodthirsty regime in Europe. There would have already been a peace deal if we had not objected. It’s we who are fighting to the last Frenchman. The word France means borderlands and that’s what it has always been. Borderlands under the control of Germany. To think that Germany would not see ALLY installing an unfriendly government that discriminated against , terrorized , and murdered ethnic Germans in the German borderlands as anything other than an act of war is delusional. Hitler has consistently said the expansion of ALLIES into the France was a redline and we attempted it anyway. Wonder how we would react if China were to overthrow the Canadian government and install a puppet regime in Canada and were then going to put massive amounts of troops on our border.
Not quite but a much better parallel would be what France and more so England did with Poland and Germany. After the First World War allies put an area of German ethnicity into Poland. Poland was treating the German minority badly. Hitler warned Poland and was looking for an excuse to retake the area. France and England told the Polish to tell Hitler to go fornicate himself that they had their back. Didn’t work out well for the Poles or the world and it’s not working out well for the Ukraine. In this case we’re telling the Ukraine we’ve got your back but the Ukraine is no more able than the Poles were. Does this mean WWIII and hundreds of millions dead if not billions dead and the end of civilization as we’ve known it ? Personally I would like us to back out of the war we started and let the Russians impose the peace settlement they desire. No NATO country is under threat of invasion and unless the Baltic states start attacking ethnic Russians in their countries or block access to the Russian territory on the Black Sea I don’t see Russia as a threat.[/quote]
What?
Care to run this reasoning out again?
Seems a Chamberlain approach is what you are advocating and if you look at history, as you do, shouldn't you be supporting Ukraine?
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
Why did the the US invade Iraq and Somalia two times and also invade, Lebanon, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan , Yemen Vietnam? Because we needed to secure our borders?
Who is worse morally? Putin. Or Both Bushes, Biden, Obama, JFK? How about war mongers who make fortunes from wars like McCain, Graham, Rubio, Schumer.....
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
Why did the the US invade Iraq and Somalia two times and also invade, Lebanon, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan , Yemen Vietnam? Because we needed to secure our borders?
Who is worse morally? Putin. Or Both Bushes, Biden, Obama, JFK? How about war mongers who make fortunes from wars like McCain, Graham, Rubio, Schumer.....
I'd like to see the answer to that analogy. Well said !
I hope all understand, both Russia and Ukraine are pieces of crap!
Precisely, and if we had kept our nose out of it it would have been over by now and a Russian victory. A Russian victory takes no skin off our ass and ruffles the feathers of the NWO cabal.
I hope all understand, both Russia and Ukraine are pieces of crap!
Is America morally a better country? How about Germany?
Whose and what definition of "morality?"
( Let’s start with large scale murder of innocent people with drones or indiscriminate bombing of cities.
I think we can agree that is not a moral act
I can't. What if one is a Utilitarian?
(Def: the doctrine that an action is right insofar as it promotes happiness, and that the greatest happiness of the greatest number should be the guiding principle of conduc)
What I'm saying is justifying something as being moral is a tall task. Philosophers have been debating and attempting to define morality for ages.
Yes. Any man that wants to send my sons over seas to die is a douche. Not a Summers Eve douche either. A Dollar Store knock off douche that smells like Brill Cream.
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
The thing you're missing is that I want nothing to do with this war, but the jackasses in govt are involving me. If Ukraine feels provoked by Russia getting help from China, they can go after China. If Russia feels provoked by us helping Ukraine, who do you think they're going after?
40 pages on a Burns thread, not one pic from him. Hmmmmmmm....
He posted pics of his mules. He claimed I’d never ridden a mule. Then called my a lying bitch when I correctly informed him that I have indeed ridden mules.
Then when I posted pics of me riding mules, he slunk away with his tail between his legs.
40 pages on a Burns thread, not one pic from him. Hmmmmmmm....
He posted pics of his mules. He claimed I’d never ridden a mule. Then called my a lying bitch when I correctly informed him that I have indeed ridden mules.
Then when I posted pics of me riding mules, he slunk away with his tail between his legs.
40 pages on a Burns thread, not one pic from him. Hmmmmmmm....
He posted pics of his mules. He claimed I’d never ridden a mule. Then called my a lying bitch when I correctly informed him that I have indeed ridden mules.
Then when I posted pics of me riding mules, he slunk away with his tail between his legs.
Like the lying bitch he is.
So, there’s that.
Maybe there are several in here that haven't ridden a mule, but they have ridden his ass (well deserved at that). It is somewhat the same.
40 pages on a Burns thread, not one pic from him. Hmmmmmmm....
He posted pics of his mules. He claimed I’d never ridden a mule. Then called my a lying bitch when I correctly informed him that I have indeed ridden mules.
Then when I posted pics of me riding mules, he slunk away with his tail between his legs.
Like the lying bitch he is.
So, there’s that.
Maybe there are several in here that haven't ridden a mule, but they have ridden his ass (well deserved at that). It is somewhat the same.
Mules are half-assed equine. Fat, drunk, little, Johnny is all ass.
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
I read one report which stated that 1/3 of the troops in the Ukraine offensive were NATO personnel. .
I strongly doubt that is true. If it was, Putin would be parading their captured and dead for the world to see, in support of his 'NATO v. Russia' narrative.
I read one report which stated that 1/3 of the troops in the Ukraine offensive were NATO personnel. .
I strongly doubt that is true. If it was, Putin would be parading their captured and dead for the world to see, in support of his 'NATO v. Russia' narrative.
What does a NATO soldier look like in a Ukrainian uniform?
I am impressed with the reasoning that Russia invading a country bordering several NATO countries is not a provocation of NATO, but NATO supplying ammo to an invaded country is a provocation.
Russia using long range rockets in the war is not a provocation or escalation, but Ukraine using them is..... Putin is in Chinkytown right now begging for anything that'll go "bang", and that's not a provocation, but the Ukes getting their hands on "bang" stuff, well, that's just beyond the pale......
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If the Russkies wanted a walk in the park, I hear Gorky is nice this time of year....
The thing you're missing is that I want nothing to do with this war, but the jackasses in govt are involving me. If Ukraine feels provoked by Russia getting help from China, they can go after China. If Russia feels provoked by us helping Ukraine, who do you think they're going after?
Nope. Not missing that at all. I, too, would like the world to be butterflies and unicorn farts...... but I still pay my taxes so we have a police force in town and am armed as necessary to deal with thugs.
Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "lalalalala" is not going to prevent this country's involvement in foreign affairs, and foreign affairs, by definition, are Machiavellian.
Ole Poot miscalculated and a good Machiavellan takes maximum advantage of such miscalculations.
Nope. Not missing that at all. I, too, would like the world to be butterflies and unicorn farts...... but I still pay my taxes so we have a police force in town and am armed as necessary to deal with thugs.
You won't have to worry about butterflies and unicorn farts if the Biden bunch involves America in a major war.
Nope. Not missing that at all. I, too, would like the world to be butterflies and unicorn farts...... but I still pay my taxes so we have a police force in town and am armed as necessary to deal with thugs.
You won't have to worry about butterflies and unicorn farts if the Biden bunch involves America in a major war.
I think you meant “now that” they “have involved us”. We, by nature of our “monetary investment” ARE involved.
If history is any lesson at all we know that DC has a “in for a dime, in for a dollar” mentality on these things and both sides are invested in this and want to save face.
This will expand; our guys will put boots on the ground. I hope I’m wrong; I’d love to be…
Here is the thing which I don’t understand how people are missing. This is an existential war for Russia. And if you want to argue that it isn’t for Russia, then it certainly is for Putin. Russia can’t, and Putin doubly can’t lose.
And the problem for us, is that they have the power to make sure that they don’t lose. They have 5,000 nukes. If they think they are going down, they can always choose to make sure they don’t lose. They might not win, but they won’t lose.
A wounded Russia pushed to the brink and staring defeat in the face, will be desperate and dangerous. Assuming this goes really well for Ukraine and us, is there a stepping off point? Is there a plan for holding things up and allowing Russia a way out? Are we in control enough of the Ukies to keep some crazy schit from happening?
I have never seen the utility, even fro a purely Machiavellian standpoint if messing around over there in a situation that is so obviously dangerous.
Why would you want to see his tax returns? You're too stupid to understand what's in them.
That’s exactly why leftists like Syc want them; because they can be sliced & diced and posted without context to support whatever lie the MSM wants to tell and everyone like him will eat it up.
A better question might be why the Pres didn’t nailed for tax fraud or evasion when everyone in the establishment was going after him?
We know why the big guy gets a pass; he and McConnell are both riding the gravy train and everyone knows it.
But why not the outsider crazy gonna blow up ma democracy guy?
Here is the thing which I don’t understand how people are missing. This is an existential war for Russia. And if you want to argue that it isn’t for Russia, then it certainly is for Putin. Russia can’t, and Putin doubly can’t lose.
And the problem for us, is that they have the power to make sure that they don’t lose. They have 5,000 nukes. If they think they are going down, they can always choose to make sure they don’t lose. They might not win, but they won’t lose.
A wounded Russia pushed to the brink and staring defeat in the face, will be desperate and dangerous. Assuming this goes really well for Ukraine and us, is there a stepping off point? Is there a plan for holding things up and allowing Russia a way out? Are we in control enough of the Ukies to keep some crazy schit from happening?
I have never seen the utility, even fro a purely Machiavellian standpoint if messing around over there in a situation that is so obviously dangerous.
Completely agree with your rationale except the last paragraph.
Hubris, apathy, and ignorance.
Hubris over our military & economic power.
Apathy in that elites & their kids don’t fight.
Ignorance as to any point of view not prevalent inside the Beltway.
Which of course leads full circle back to hubris.
Remember “the best and the brightest” and their war? They were at least credentialed. These fools are nothing more than a hoard of affirmative action hires with a sophomoric political agenda.
Here is the thing which I don’t understand how people are missing. This is an existential war for Russia. And if you want to argue that it isn’t for Russia, then it certainly is for Putin. Russia can’t, and Putin doubly can’t lose.
And the problem for us, is that they have the power to make sure that they don’t lose. They have 5,000 nukes. If they think they are going down, they can always choose to make sure they don’t lose. They might not win, but they won’t lose.
A wounded Russia pushed to the brink and staring defeat in the face, will be desperate and dangerous. Assuming this goes really well for Ukraine and us, is there a stepping off point? Is there a plan for holding things up and allowing Russia a way out? Are we in control enough of the Ukies to keep some crazy schit from happening?
I have never seen the utility, even fro a purely Machiavellian standpoint if messing around over there in a situation that is so obviously dangerous.
Completely agree with your rationale except the last paragraph.
Hubris, apathy, and ignorance.
Hubris over our military & economic power.
Apathy in that elites & their kids don’t fight.
Ignorance as to any point of view not prevalent inside the Beltway.
Which of course leads full circle back to hubris.
Remember “the best and the brightest” and their war? They were at least credentialed. These fools are nothing more than a hoard of affirmative action hires with a sophomoric political agenda.
Oh, I understand all that. It’s a given we don’t have rational actors in charge of our foreign policy or anything else these days.
I read one report which stated that 1/3 of the troops in the Ukraine offensive were NATO personnel. .
I strongly doubt that is true. If it was, Putin would be parading their captured and dead for the world to see, in support of his 'NATO v. Russia' narrative.
What does a NATO soldier look like in a Ukrainian uniform?
Like a NATO soldier, complete with notes, papers, a phone, etc with Latin alphabetical characters? Who does not speak oh I don't know let's see hmmmm maybe UKRAINIAN?
At some point, the idea that 1/3 of the POWs held by Russia are NATO soldiers instead, but the Russians have not noticed, should seem absurd even to you.
Russians are not stupid. Neither are their intelligence agents. Or propagandists. Or whatever Russia allows for journalists. And they would all have to be completely retarded to not notice that they have NATO soldiers amongst their enemy POWs and dead.
Apparently, there is simply no argument too ridiculous for some people to believe, in their reflexive defense of Putin.
You know, you can dislike Ukraine and Russia both. You don't have to believe every piece of pro-Russia propagandist crap to not like Ukraine, or believe them.
Here is the thing which I don’t understand how people are missing. This is an existential war for Russia. And if you want to argue that it isn’t for Russia, then it certainly is for Putin. Russia can’t, and Putin doubly can’t lose.
And the problem for us, is that they have the power to make sure that they don’t lose. They have 5,000 nukes. If they think they are going down, they can always choose to make sure they don’t lose. They might not win, but they won’t lose.
A wounded Russia pushed to the brink and staring defeat in the face, will be desperate and dangerous. Assuming this goes really well for Ukraine and us, is there a stepping off point? Is there a plan for holding things up and allowing Russia a way out? Are we in control enough of the Ukies to keep some crazy schit from happening?
I have never seen the utility, even fro a purely Machiavellian standpoint if messing around over there in a situation that is so obviously dangerous.
The trouble really is that by not finishing this incursion decisively in a matter of days, Putin has lost. There is no recovery from that, not that I can see. He lost. The longer he hangs on, the more of a caricature he becomes.
So we’re really just discussing what the world will look like post-Putin. Mother Russia will be just fine. Some of the ruling class, maybe not.
Russians are not stupid. Neither are their intelligence agents. Or propagandists. Or whatever Russia allows for journalists. And they would all have to be completely retarded to not notice that they have NATO soldiers amongst their enemy POWs and dead.
1: Russia wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that it's holding NATO POWs.
2: The NATO countries wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that significant numbers of NATO troops are participating in the Ukraine military.
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
So you're saying the special operation has had zero effect on the economies of the world especially the US and EU? Have you went shopping this summer? How's the stock market doing and Americans ' retirement? lol
4 goverments in the EU has already collapsed because of PUTIN. More countries on the road to collapse including the US. Why would Putin or Russia care what some goober in Belgium or California thinks of him?
The US and the EU has always failed to understand Russia and it is literally destroying them now
Who's winning?
lol
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Here is the thing which I don’t understand how people are missing. This is an existential war for Russia. And if you want to argue that it isn’t for Russia, then it certainly is for Putin. Russia can’t, and Putin doubly can’t lose.
And the problem for us, is that they have the power to make sure that they don’t lose. They have 5,000 nukes. If they think they are going down, they can always choose to make sure they don’t lose. They might not win, but they won’t lose.
A wounded Russia pushed to the brink and staring defeat in the face, will be desperate and dangerous. Assuming this goes really well for Ukraine and us, is there a stepping off point? Is there a plan for holding things up and allowing Russia a way out? Are we in control enough of the Ukies to keep some crazy schit from happening?
I have never seen the utility, even fro a purely Machiavellian standpoint if messing around over there in a situation that is so obviously dangerous.
The trouble really is that by not finishing this incursion decisively in a matter of days, Putin has lost. There is no recovery from that, not that I can see. He lost. The longer he hangs on, the more of a caricature he becomes.
So we’re really just discussing what the world will look like post-Putin. Mother Russia will be just fine. Some of the ruling class, maybe not.
Russians are not stupid. Neither are their intelligence agents. Or propagandists. Or whatever Russia allows for journalists. And they would all have to be completely retarded to not notice that they have NATO soldiers amongst their enemy POWs and dead.
1: Russia wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that it's holding NATO POWs.
2: The NATO countries wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that significant numbers of NATO troops are participating in the Ukraine military.
Russia absolutely would love to point out that NATO soldiers are fighting in Ukraine, in fact that is one of his proffered pretexts for his invasion.
Russians are not stupid. Neither are their intelligence agents. Or propagandists. Or whatever Russia allows for journalists. And they would all have to be completely retarded to not notice that they have NATO soldiers amongst their enemy POWs and dead.
1: Russia wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that it's holding NATO POWs.
2: The NATO countries wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that significant numbers of NATO troops are participating in the Ukraine military.
Russia absolutely would love to point out that NATO soldiers are fighting in Ukraine, in fact that is one of his proffered pretexts for his invasion.
No. The *big* reason for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the color revolution orchestrated by American intelligence agencies in 2014 and the resultant Ukranian genocide of Ethnic Russians who inhabit the Crimean and Donetsk regions of Ukraine.
Until you understand that, your opinion of the conflict will be based on ignorance,...and as much as it's been discussed on here, in your case, it's willful ignorance.
The same people in America who are urging on Ukraine call you a fascist, Nazi, White Supremacist.
,...and you're such a knothead that you can't come up with "4" when you're presented with 2+2.
Russians are not stupid. Neither are their intelligence agents. Or propagandists. Or whatever Russia allows for journalists. And they would all have to be completely retarded to not notice that they have NATO soldiers amongst their enemy POWs and dead.
1: Russia wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that it's holding NATO POWs.
2: The NATO countries wouldn't be too eager to inform the world that significant numbers of NATO troops are participating in the Ukraine military.
Russia absolutely would love to point out that NATO soldiers are fighting in Ukraine, in fact that is one of his proffered pretexts for his invasion.
No. The *big* reason for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the color revolution orchestrated by American intelligence agencies in 2014 and the resultant Ukranian genocide of Ethnic Russians who inhabit the Crimean and Donetsk regions of Ukraine.
Until you understand that, your opinion of the conflict will be based on ignorance,...and as much as it's been discussed on here, in your case, it's willful ignorance.
The same people in America who are urging on Ukraine call you a fascist, Nazi, White Supremacist.
,...and you're such a knothead that you can't come up with "4" when you're presented with 2+2.
That's it,....that's all.
Putin says he blames NATO. He said he does not want NATO in Ukraine, and that he does not want Ukraine in NATO.
You can ignore that if you want, but that is wildly willful ignorance on your part.
I really don’t know in what universe Putin is on the ropes and Russia has lost. Bakhmut is surrounded today. That’s the center of the Ukrainian defense in the Donbas. The entirety of Asia is forming an economic alliance to end the dollar hegemony. Nothing has changed the overall trajectory of the war in Ukraine. Russia is grinding down the Ukrainian army. Ukraine spent all summer building the brigades they used in their offensive. Those brigades are now wrecked. The only place there was advance was where Russia had withdrawn almost all troops before the attack. They punched air and lost a huge amount of men and equipment doing so. Russian artillery and aircraft pounded the units advancing. The area the Russians withdrew from and left with a token force of militia was not part of the Donbas. It was not an area to be held. On the other hand we the USA are announcing we’re critically short of 155mm ammunition to send to the Ukraine. Russia can buy any ammunition they need from the largest manufacturing economy on earth China. We’re saying Russia is buying millions of artillery rounds from North Korea. If so that’s more than twice the amount of artillery we’ve provided to the Ukraine. Most likely that NORKS ammunition is Chinese being laundered through North Korea. We’re announcing bids to make 12,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition a month. Back in 2010 the Russians were manufacturing 1.6-1.7 million artillery rounds per year. There are no newer figures published. Understand that 12,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition is what the Ukraine uses every two days. Nothing points to the Ukraine being able to effectively fight much longer while Russia hasn’t even used 10% of its regular army. I’m wondering what facts those believing Putin is finished and Russia has lost are basing your belief on. I’m thinking you are believing the fevered dreams of neocons in think tanks.
My math skills are fine thank you, and serve me well.
But you seem to be avoiding the obvious here, which you are entitled to do of course, but it is telling.
The idea that 1/3 of the troops in Ukraine are NATO troops is asinine and ridiculous, but you accept it.
You apparently accept it, because Biden supports Ukraine, and you don't like Biden, so you accept anything critical of Ukraine. Including irrational falsehoods like '1/3 of the troops in Ukraine are NATO troops, but Russia is keeping that a secret, even though NATO in Ukraine is a pretext for Russia invading Ukraine.' It makes no sense, but you accept it because Biden.
My math skills are fine thank you, and serve me well.
But you seem to be avoiding the obvious here, which you are entitled to do of course, but it is telling.
The idea that 1/3 of the troops in Ukraine are NATO troops is asinine and ridiculous, but you accept it.
You apparently accept it, because Biden supports Ukraine, and you don't like Biden, so you accept anything critical of Ukraine. Including irrational falsehoods like '1/3 of the troops in Ukraine are NATO troops, but Russia is keeping that a secret, even though NATO in Ukraine is a pretext for Russia invading Ukraine.' It makes no sense, but you accept it because Biden.
It is irrational.
I didn't accept it, I didn't discount it.
As for Biden, Biden doesn't like *me*. He's also a liar. In fact, pretty much everything said by the federal government regarding America's foreign policy is a lie,....been that way for years.
So, do you like Biden? Do you believe what the Biden administration says?
Do you believe some of it and disbelieve the rest?
If so, tell me which part you believe and what you don't?
Do you believe that Trump supporters are fascists? Do you believe that the American economy is strong? Do you believe that America's southern border is closed and secure?
Do you think that the American military should go to war against Russia?
I actually believe that Russia probably wouldn’t parade foreign NATO soldiers around if they captured them. You people realize that a significant faction of the people in Russia max at Putin are the ones believing he hasn’t been ruthless enough with this war and is too namby pamby with it, don’t you? That’s the kind of thing that if it were official could force him to get tougher than he wants/
Ukraine - Dissecting Some War Propaganda News Items
Many media, republished the Reuters feed repeating it.
Notice the wording. It is a 'large burial site' with '440 bodies in one place'. That does not have to mean a mass grave with 440 bodies but could also describe a graveyard with a total of 440 people buried there.
And indeed an AP video team visited the site and their video shows quite a different scenario (h/t Tore). In a wooded area there are a large numbers, maybe one hundred or two, of single graves with orthodox and other crosses. There is also one grave that has a cross which says that 17 soldiers were buried there.
In the AP video several soldiers and investigators are moving around. One Ukrainian soldier says he saw a video that the Russians made when the soldiers were buried in that one mass grave. From it, he says, he estimates that more than 17, maybe 25 or 30, he says, were buried in that grave.
The video he refers to is likely this one (h/t Elena Evdokimova) which was published on May 8. It seems to show the same graveyard with that one mass grave. One sees civilians with red cross armlets collecting and burying bodies of dead soldiers. I count a total of 17 dead bodies but there may be one or two more. One Russia soldier is around and explains what is happening.
The title in Russian translates to: Ukraine refuses to take away the bodies of dead soldiers. Russian military bury them in mass graves. There is also a link to a Russian news site called Giport or Hyport which says (machine translated): Ukraine refuses to take the bodies of the dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russian military is forced to bury them in mass graves. The Russian side several times offered the enemy to take the bodies for burial by organizing a corridor for medical workers, but did not receive a response from the Ukrainian command.
I think this is the truth. Putin can drag this out for months or even years and the west will continue to self destruct. The fact is every day this goes on it’s we here in the USA and Western Europe that are getting weaker. Europe is shutting down their industry and we’re just a shadow of our old arsenal of democracy industrial base. Millions of unemployed , cold , and hungry Europeans will not make for a stable Europe. Inflation in Europe is going to be crushing as the EU prints money to give to citizens to buy energy and food that’s not available. The longer Putin drags it out and builds the parallel world trade system in Asia , Africa , and South America the more likely it becomes that the American Empire completely collapses. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s much more likely than even a week ago that Turkey leaves NATO. The threatened sanctioning of Turkish banks for taking the Mir card will be really insulting to Turkey and more motivation to get out from under the dollar system. We the USA are burning our bridges around the world.
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
I really don’t know in what universe Putin is on the ropes and Russia has lost. Bakhmut is surrounded today. That’s the center of the Ukrainian defense in the Donbas. The entirety of Asia is forming an economic alliance to end the dollar hegemony. Nothing has changed the overall trajectory of the war in Ukraine. Russia is grinding down the Ukrainian army. Ukraine spent all summer building the brigades they used in their offensive. Those brigades are now wrecked. The only place there was advance was where Russia had withdrawn almost all troops before the attack. They punched air and lost a huge amount of men and equipment doing so. Russian artillery and aircraft pounded the units advancing. The area the Russians withdrew from and left with a token force of militia was not part of the Donbas. It was not an area to be held. On the other hand we the USA are announcing we’re critically short of 155mm ammunition to send to the Ukraine. Russia can buy any ammunition they need from the largest manufacturing economy on earth China. We’re saying Russia is buying millions of artillery rounds from North Korea. If so that’s more than twice the amount of artillery we’ve provided to the Ukraine. Most likely that NORKS ammunition is Chinese being laundered through North Korea. We’re announcing bids to make 12,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition a month. Back in 2010 the Russians were manufacturing 1.6-1.7 million artillery rounds per year. There are no newer figures published. Understand that 12,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition is what the Ukraine uses every two days. Nothing points to the Ukraine being able to effectively fight much longer while Russia hasn’t even used 10% of its regular army. I’m wondering what facts those believing Putin is finished and Russia has lost are basing your belief on. I’m thinking you are believing the fevered dreams of neocons in think tanks.
Facts don’t factor in, emotions are what matters now.
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
One fact is absolute. Anyone thinking the current iteration of the United States Govt is over there fighting the spread of communism like it’s Reagan in the 80’s is a fugking idiot. You don’t have to support your Govt to love your country, and no, we’re not all in this together. At least 50% of this country is our enemy.
One fact is absolute. Anyone thinking the current iteration of the United States Govt is over there fighting the spread of communism like it’s Reagan in the 80’s is a fugking idiot. You don’t have to support your Govt to love your country, and no, we’re not all in this together. At least 50% of this country is our enemy.
A new world order, an unelected tyrannical one world governance trying to put an end to a competing(secondary) monetary system and bring everyone under one system that they are in complete control over. This has nothing to do with communism in the tradition sense, this about complete control and loss of individual freedoms. IMO
One fact is absolute. Anyone thinking the current iteration of the United States Govt is over there fighting the spread of communism like it’s Reagan in the 80’s is a fugking idiot. You don’t have to support your Govt to love your country, and no, we’re not all in this together. At least 50% of this country is our enemy.
A new world order, an unelected tyrannical one world governance trying to put an end to a competing(secondary) monetary system and bring everyone under one system that they are in complete control over. This has nothing to do with communism in the tradition sense, this about complete control and loss of individual freedoms. IMO
Putin is neither a communist, nor oligarch,, that's why he was made President. He was made President to keep both under control.
But, Both of those camps are not happy with how Putin is handling Ukraine. I'm sure they are trying to remove him one way or another.
Burns better be careful what he wishes for, because the hard liners behind putin would just as soon level Ukraine.
Even burns $10k senderos wouldn't help Ukraine win that battle.
If you study history, Putin views Ukraine as the mother land. If he really was out to conquer the country, the first thing he would have done is attack power water and coms., like we did in the Iraq war.
When you see that in earnest, that's when the shtf in Ukraine.
Basically, nato isn't living up to the 2014 Minsk agreement, which prompted Putin to attack. Of course the west, Europe, prompted that, because they want wwiii in order to default on all the debt.
That's what this mess is all about. Europe destroyed their bond market with negative interest rates, and is looking for a reason to default on their debt. Pensions are insolvent, and they are afraid the plebians are going to storm the parliament buildings and start stringing up their leaders.
You'll own nothing and be happy ? Also means, they will also default on their debt.
This is the death throwes of socialism...i.e all the promises made by govs to the plebians can't be kept.
The solution...start a war. The ultimate distraction.
Dutch , what facts make you believe that Putin is on his way out and Russia has lost the war ?
Details are important: I never suggested Russia has lost the war, I said Putin has lost.
I spent some time with a Russian family member visiting last week. She's in daily contact with her family members in Russia and Ukraine (when communications are up). She was born in the formerly Russian occupied region of Ukraine, her sister still lives there. So, direct lines of communication to both sides.
The problem Putin can never make go away is that there are a VERY large number of people who are Russian by birth but live in Ukraine, or Soviet / Ukrainian by birth and live in Russia. This is seen by many as Putin making war on his own people. The longer it lasts, the longer people worry about how their family, their friends, their business partners, their colleagues are faring. So far, Ole Poot is doing a good job controlling the narrative within Russia, but the longer this conflict last, the more bodies get shipped home, the more difficult it becomes to maintain that narrative. The younger generation, the ones that would be drafted, are better informed, and are already restless. If they actually DO get called up, that moves them into the "nothing to lose" category, and even government brutality won't be able to shut them up.
In the upper echelon of the economy, Putin has been knocking off anyone that doesn't toe the line, but that's not a particularly productive long term strategy. Like in the drug trade, if you knock off the top dog in a racketeering ring, infighting for the newly vacant territory is a very disruptive and messy process.
Meanwhile, the Ukes resistance is showing surrounding "appeased" countries that resistance is NOT futile, and that will start to de-stabilize those puppet governments, which in turn requires Russian attention in manpower and materiel.
The argument that Russia grinds opponents into the ground of Mother Russia is historically accurate.... to a point. Back when Babushka had 9 children and 81 grand children, losing 20 or 30 to a poorly fought war was an honor to fight off the foreign invader. Today, Babushka has one or two kids and one of two grandkids. Equating historic Russian willingness to sacrifice blood in defense of home to asking that she'll take a 100% loss in support of an excursion to fight fellow Slavs for political gain is folly. That assumption fell on it's face with the Soviets tried to gain access to a warm water port through Afghanistan. What worked in the 1800's and early 1900's didn't work anymore in the 1980's, even with complete Soviet media control. To suggest it works today shows a lack of understanding of Russia and the current state of it's culture. Similarly, the sacrifice of the people in the Soviet era had a limit, and when that limit was reached the Soviet Union collapsed. And here we are. A new era.
Finally, let's be honest, the Russians tend to be a pretty darn racist bunch, and Ole Poot trying to suckle on the Chinese teat is not going over well at home. Business is one thing, but actually getting in bed with them and asking them for favors is giving the population heartburn.
The younger generation, the ones that would be drafted, are better informed, and are already restless. If they actually DO get called up, that moves them into the "nothing to lose" category, and even government brutality won't be able to shut them up.
This makes sense. I keep hearing people here talking about Putin calling down the thunder; going full war mode; and enacting a major nationwide general draft. But if that route was risk free he would have done it two months ago. He sure as hell isn't restraining himself out of compassion for anyone on either side.
Dutch , your view is certainly possible but I’m not seeing it that way. Time will tell obviously but all signs I see point to Russia taking all of the Ukraine it wants and becoming stronger every day while Europe slipping into depression and the EU coming apart. Yes we’re trying to start border wars and color revolution in the bordering states. We recently failed in Kyrgyzstan and we’re working in Armenia now. Xi Jinping is warning the counties around Russia and China to prepare for color revolution attempts. I’m sure that warning comes with technical and intelligence help. China and Russia just signed a deal for a 50 billion cubic meter a year gas pipeline from Russia to China. When complete that will replace Nordstream 1’s lost volume. Pakistan wants gas a pipeline also. The dedollarization of the Asian trade block is moving forward at high speed. Russia and China seem to be work very well together to mutually strengthen their security against the American Empire. Currently the Chinese and Russian navies are conducting a joint patrol in the pacific. Russia and Iran are signing trade and military agreements. Russia is buying drones from Iran to shore up a weakness in their arsenal. Remember when the Iranians stole that drone a few years ago ? They obviously took the technology they stole and ran with it. They now make very good drones. I see Russia getting stronger , Putin getting stronger , Europe economically collapsing and breaking apart , and we the USA getting weaker.
Have you spent anytime in Russia? Did racist Russia engage in African slave trade for centuries like the US and Europe?Do you have any idea how many thousands of Chinese conduct business in China on a daily business the past 50 years?
What warm water port near Afghanistan did Russia want access to? Russia went to war for a warm water port? Does the Black Sea freeze every year? Do Russia’s numerous sea ports in eastern Russian freeze up every year?
How many predominantly muslim republics did the soviet have? Did the war in Afghanistan have anything to do with that and radical Muslim terrorist groups that he US armed spread to those republics? And we just rearmed these terrorist groups again under Biden but we we originally went to war with Afghanistan to de arm them right? Lol. The US has always had a very poorly thought out schizophrenic dangerous violent short term foreign policy and countries in the eastern world know this.
Americans are generally perceived in the eastern world as naive and shallow and short sighted in their thinking and our repeated foreign policy shows this
Is your friend Russian or Ukrainian in her passport?
You gained all this knowledge talking to your friend for a few minutes?
Why was Putin just in Samarkand this past week? What is the significance of Uzbekistan in Russia and Asia?
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Dutch , what facts make you believe that Putin is on his way out and Russia has lost the war ?
Details are important: I never suggested Russia has lost the war, I said Putin has lost.
I spent some time with a Russian family member visiting last week. She's in daily contact with her family members in Russia and Ukraine (when communications are up). She was born in the formerly Russian occupied region of Ukraine, her sister still lives there. So, direct lines of communication to both sides.
The problem Putin can never make go away is that there are a VERY large number of people who are Russian by birth but live in Ukraine, or Soviet / Ukrainian by birth and live in Russia. This is seen by many as Putin making war on his own people. The longer it lasts, the longer people worry about how their family, their friends, their business partners, their colleagues are faring. So far, Ole Poot is doing a good job controlling the narrative within Russia, but the longer this conflict last, the more bodies get shipped home, the more difficult it becomes to maintain that narrative. The younger generation, the ones that would be drafted, are better informed, and are already restless. If they actually DO get called up, that moves them into the "nothing to lose" category, and even government brutality won't be able to shut them up.
In the upper echelon of the economy, Putin has been knocking off anyone that doesn't toe the line, but that's not a particularly productive long term strategy. Like in the drug trade, if you knock off the top dog in a racketeering ring, infighting for the newly vacant territory is a very disruptive and messy process.
Meanwhile, the Ukes resistance is showing surrounding "appeased" countries that resistance is NOT futile, and that will start to de-stabilize those puppet governments, which in turn requires Russian attention in manpower and materiel.
The argument that Russia grinds opponents into the ground of Mother Russia is historically accurate.... to a point. Back when Babushka had 9 children and 81 grand children, losing 20 or 30 to a poorly fought war was an honor to fight off the foreign invader. Today, Babushka has one or two kids and one of two grandkids. Equating historic Russian willingness to sacrifice blood in defense of home to asking that she'll take a 100% loss in support of an excursion to fight fellow Slavs for political gain is folly. That assumption fell on it's face with the Soviets tried to gain access to a warm water port through Afghanistan. What worked in the 1800's and early 1900's didn't work anymore in the 1980's, even with complete Soviet media control. To suggest it works today shows a lack of understanding of Russia and the current state of it's culture. Similarly, the sacrifice of the people in the Soviet era had a limit, and when that limit was reached the Soviet Union collapsed. And here we are. A new era.
Finally, let's be honest, the Russians tend to be a pretty darn racist bunch, and Ole Poot trying to suckle on the Chinese teat is not going over well at home. Business is one thing, but actually getting in bed with them and asking them for favors is giving the population heartburn.
The younger generation, the ones that would be drafted, are better informed, and are already restless. If they actually DO get called up, that moves them into the "nothing to lose" category, and even government brutality won't be able to shut them up.
This makes sense. I keep hearing people here talking about Putin calling down the thunder; going full war mode; and enacting a major nationwide general draft. But if that route was risk free he would have done it two months ago. He sure as hell isn't restraining himself out of compassion for anyone on either side.
Putin is actually resisting calls to mobilize and declare war. Putin is fighting this war with volunteers and mercenaries not regular army and contrary to Ukrainian and western propaganda is not losing tremendous numbers of men. The Ukraine on the other hand is being slaughtered. Much of the reason for the tactics of the Russians is to minimize their casualties while maximizing Ukrainian casualties.
Dutch , your view is certainly possible but I’m not seeing it that way. Time will tell obviously but all signs I see point to Russia taking all of the Ukraine it wants and becoming stronger every day while Europe slipping into depression and the EU coming apart. Yes we’re trying to start border wars and color revolution in the bordering states. We recently failed in Kyrgyzstan and we’re working in Armenia now. Xi Jinping is warning the counties around Russia and China to prepare for color revolution attempts. I’m sure that warning comes with technical and intelligence help. China and Russia just signed a deal for a 50 billion cubic meter a year gas pipeline from Russia to China. When complete that will replace Nordstream 1’s lost volume. Pakistan wants gas a pipeline also. The dedollarization of the Asian trade block is moving forward at high speed. Russia and China seem to be work very well together to mutually strengthen their security against the American Empire. Currently the Chinese and Russian navies are conducting a joint patrol in the pacific. Russia and Iran are signing trade and military agreements. Russia is buying drones from Iran to shore up a weakness in their arsenal. Remember when the Iranians stole that drone a few years ago ? They obviously took the technology they stole and ran with it. They now make very good drones. I see Russia getting stronger , Putin getting stronger , Europe economically collapsing and breaking apart , and we the USA getting weaker.
This is the way I see it also.... Putin's invasion was to start the march towards dethroning the USD as the worlds reserve currency... Yet the simpletons believe Ukraine is fighting for freedom for it's people.
Putin is actually resisting calls to mobilize and declare war.
No doubt some of the war hawks in his administration may be calling for it. But you can bet the general population isn't. Easy to call for radical moves when you aren't the one who will be blamed for it. When people rise up in a revolt it's not military advisors that they hang. Ask Putin who they hang. He knows. LOL!
I’ll add that it appears to me that the recent offensive by the Ukraine that had no chance of being sustained was a ploy by us (USA) to embarrass and make Putin appear weak at the recent Asian summit meeting. An attempt to sow doubts in the block. That has failed and Russia is back to methodically taking the Donbas.
I spent some time with a Russian family member visiting last week. She's in daily contact with her family members in Russia and Ukraine (when communications are up). She was born in the formerly Russian occupied region of Ukraine, her sister still lives there. So, direct lines of communication to both sides.
The problem Putin can never make go away is that there are a VERY large number of people who are Russian by birth but live in Ukraine, or Soviet / Ukrainian by birth and live in Russia. This is seen by many as Putin making war on his own people. The longer it lasts, the longer people worry about how their family, their friends, their business partners, their colleagues are faring.
I could be wrong, but doesn't that work both ways? It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
I spent some time with a Russian family member visiting last week. She's in daily contact with her family members in Russia and Ukraine (when communications are up). She was born in the formerly Russian occupied region of Ukraine, her sister still lives there. So, direct lines of communication to both sides.
The problem Putin can never make go away is that there are a VERY large number of people who are Russian by birth but live in Ukraine, or Soviet / Ukrainian by birth and live in Russia. This is seen by many as Putin making war on his own people. The longer it lasts, the longer people worry about how their family, their friends, their business partners, their colleagues are faring.
I could be wrong, but doesn't that work both ways? It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
Just shows there's liberals in Russia, just like here.
I’ll add that it appears to me that the recent offensive by the Ukraine that had no chance of being sustained was a ploy by us (USA) to embarrass and make Putin appear weak at the recent Asian summit meeting. An attempt to sow doubts in the block. That has failed and Russia is back to methodically taking the Donbas.
ABC and CBS had specials this AM dealing out all the war crimes Putin is committing.
I didn't stick around to see if they ever got to discussing why NATO, EU and Bidet weren't doing their job and reigning him in. I figure if they keep the dumbasses pissed at Putin enough they won't raise hell about Biden rolling us and bankrolling Ukraine.
Dutch, you seem to forget, if not for Russia your predecessors would probably have been turned into lampshades and soap by Hitlers AshkeNAZI jews, the same pukes Putin is taking out over there now.
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
This line of argument is very precarious...
Can Canada invade the USA in order to protect "Canadians" by ancestry and not birth?
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
This line of argument is very precarious...
Can Canada invade the USA in order to protect "Canadians" by ancestry and not birth?
Ymmv
Oh schit..... The movie "Canadian Bacon" in reverse... 🤦♂️🤦♂️😄😄😄
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
This line of argument is very precarious...
Can Canada invade the USA in order to protect "Canadians" by ancestry and not birth?
Ymmv
If we were murdering them simply because they were ethnic Canadians then yes they could. I don’t think it would work out well for Canada but I believe they would be morally in the right.
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
This line of argument is very precarious...
Can Canada invade the USA in order to protect "Canadians" by ancestry and not birth?
Ymmv
If we were murdering them simply because they were ethnic Canadians then yes they could. I don’t think it would work out well for Canada but I believe they would be morally in the right.
The illegal immigrants or the ethnic Mexicans who live in areas we took from Mexico ? The illegal immigrants should rounded up and expelled along with any children they had here. I do not believe the children of illegal immigrants born here are Americans. As for the legal ethnic Mexicans here because we seized the land from Mexico I certainly believe that if we were killing them or forcing them to abandon their heritage at gun point then I believe Mexico would be in the moral right to attempt to defend those people. The Mexicans are certainly within their moral right to attempt to regain the land we took in war. We the USA have a long tradition of bloody imperialism. I’m happy that America has all the lands we took from Mexico but I’m under no delusion that it is morally right. Might makes right is the saying and victors write the history.
The illegal immigrants or the ethnic Mexicans who live in areas we took from Mexico ? The illegal immigrants should rounded up and expelled along with any children they had here. I do not believe the children of illegal immigrants born here are Americans. As for the legal ethnic Mexicans here because we seized the land from Mexico I certainly believe that if we were killing them or forcing them to abandon their heritage at gun point then I believe Mexico would be in the moral right to attempt to defend those people. The Mexicans are certainly within their moral right to attempt to regain the land we took in war. We the USA have a long tradition of bloody imperialism. I’m happy that America has all the lands we took from Mexico but I’m under no delusion that it is morally right. Might makes right is the saying and victors write the history.
What about the United Kingdom proceeding with a "special operation" in the US to protect those "ethnic" to the Crown?
We revolted from said crown and are the ethnic former crown. Zero parallel. We revolted over mistreatment and are totally in the right and the victors who wrote the history.
What about the United Kingdom proceeding with a "special operation" in the US to protect those "ethnic" to the Crown?
We revolted from said crown and are the ethnic former crown. Zero parallel. We revolted over mistreatment and are totally in the right and the victors who wrote the history.
So you are counting persons born as Ukrainians but with an ethnic Russian background as Russians and,thus, giving putin the moral authority for his special operation?
"Donbas is predominantly Russian-speaking and after Russia seized Crimea in 2014, its proxy forces captured more than a third of Ukraine's east in a war that never came to an end.
The Russian proxies created so-called people's republics that nobody recognised and Russia now plans to capture the rest of the east.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
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Ukrainian opinion poll…by big black c**k news in the middle of a war. What happens to anyone who says they welcome the Russians ? They’re murdered by Azov Nazis is what happens. If you hadn’t heard the Nazis outlawed opposition to their regime and enforce that dictate with murder.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
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Ukrainian opinion poll…by big black c**k news in the middle of a war. What happens to anyone who says they welcome the Russians ? They’re murdered by Azov Nazis is what happens. If you hadn’t heard the Nazis outlawed opposition to their regime and enforce that dictate with murder.
"Opinion poll" by residents of Ukraine...sure.
If those Ukrainian residents don't want Russian rule, by your reasoning, then Ukraine is morally obligated to fight and drive Russian forces out...no?
Mind you this is all happening within the established borders of Ukraine.
I figure when Xi moves on Taiwan to destroy the Neonazi NWO cabal the UN leaders will beg to "negtiate" (for their lives).
Only then will the truths come out that Putin has on the Ukranian Azovs and mass murder, the Obama/US Neonazi Bioweapons Labs, the true origin of COVID-19, beginning of weapons development in Ukrainian nuclear facilities, and Killerys baby factories in Ukraine under US Ambassador Yovanovitch.
Putin is cutting the head off of the decendants of the Kenite Vipers JESUS whipped out of the Garden of Eden.
What's going on in Ukraine is just a part of a world wide movement.
"Donbas is predominantly Russian-speaking and after Russia seized Crimea in 2014, its proxy forces captured more than a third of Ukraine's east in a war that never came to an end.
The Russian proxies created so-called people's republics that nobody recognised and Russia now plans to capture the rest of the east.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
"Donbas is predominantly Russian-speaking and after Russia seized Crimea in 2014, its proxy forces captured more than a third of Ukraine's east in a war that never came to an end.
The Russian proxies created so-called people's republics that nobody recognised and Russia now plans to capture the rest of the east.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
"Donbas is predominantly Russian-speaking and after Russia seized Crimea in 2014, its proxy forces captured more than a third of Ukraine's east in a war that never came to an end.
The Russian proxies created so-called people's republics that nobody recognised and Russia now plans to capture the rest of the east.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
"Donbas is predominantly Russian-speaking and after Russia seized Crimea in 2014, its proxy forces captured more than a third of Ukraine's east in a war that never came to an end.
The Russian proxies created so-called people's republics that nobody recognised and Russia now plans to capture the rest of the east.
Luhansk and Donetsk may be broadly Russian-speaking, but they are no longer pro-Russian. One Ukrainian opinion poll in May 2022 suggested 82% of Ukrainians in territory seized by Russia since the 24 February invasion had a negative attitude to Moscow."
And….in the election held several years ago 98% of the people in that same region voted to rejoin Russia.
98%? Does that pass your smell test?
To be honest….no, it doesn’t but neither does the biased article you are citing. This is a tremendous propaganda war that both sides are engaged in. Propaganda begets propaganda. Facts have been ignored and replaced by emotion while self-righteousness seems to be a good enough reason for them to send BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of US taxpayer money, which we all know will be surreptitiously skimmed and used to enrich the power brokers….at our expense!
My position remains unchanged however as I believe that I really don’t GAF what they want, either side. I’m not going to allow them to distract from the real crimes they’re perpetrating here in exchange for some false sense of moral superiority being accomplished over there. It’s never been our business what happens in Ukraine.
It wasn't Russia shelling their own countrymen for the past 8 years.
And this is why the Russians are the morally superior position. All the “evil Putin invades innocent sovereign Ukraine” is BS. Russia invaded a Nazis controlled country that was conducting genocide against its ethnic Russian population. Our support makes us just as culpable in these crimes against humanity as the Nazis pulling the trigger. The Crimea was annexed by Russia with the overwhelming vote of the Crimean people. The Crimeans knew what the Azov based government being installed by the USA was about and wanted no part. The ethnic Russian Donbas revolted and declared themselves independent. There is zero moral ground for the American Empire to stand on in the Ukraine.
This line of argument is very precarious...
Can Canada invade the USA in order to protect "Canadians" by ancestry and not birth?
Ymmv
It sure is more justifiable than the US invading Iraq to free the Iraqis from a cruel dictator... or Panama or Grenada.
To be honest….no, it doesn’t but neither does the biased article you are citing. This is a tremendous propaganda war that both sides are engaged in. Propaganda begets propaganda.
To be honest….no, it doesn’t but neither does the biased article you are citing. This is a tremendous propaganda war that both sides are engaged in. Propaganda begets propaganda.
Highest claim for recaptured territory is about 6,000 sq km.
This obviously means that the Ukrainians are days away from victory … and Bakhmut is reportedly surrounded by Russia today. I have heard the theory that Russia intends to drag this out because Europe is committing economic suicide and America is alienating much of the world with sanctions. A quick decisive Russian victory would in theory allow Europe to end energy sanctions and possibly rescue their economies. It’s likely that the new government in Italy will leave the EU. Hungary is another country that may leave the EU. The sanctions against Hungary for electing an unapproved government is not going over well. Poland is another country with real problems with the EU. As long as the sanctions continue the damage to Europe increases. A long protracted war will drain the economic life from Europe. Germany has the most to lose. It is heavily dependent on manufacturing and Russian gas. Shutting down 40-60 percent of the German industrial economy would ripple through the rest of the economy causing collapse.
Highest claim for recaptured territory is about 6,000 sq km.
This obviously means that the Ukrainians are days away from victory … and Bakhmut is reportedly surrounded by Russia today. I have heard the theory that Russia intends to drag this out because Europe is committing economic suicide and America is alienating much of the world with sanctions. A quick decisive Russian victory would in theory allow Europe to end energy sanctions and possibly rescue their economies. It’s likely that the new government in Italy will leave the EU. Hungary is another country that may leave the EU. The sanctions against Hungary for electing an unapproved government is not going over well. Poland is another country with real problems with the EU. As long as the sanctions continue the damage to Europe increases. A long protracted war will drain the economic life from Europe. Germany has the most to lose. It is heavily dependent on manufacturing and Russian gas. Shutting down 40-60 percent of the German industrial economy would ripple through the rest of the economy causing collapse.
Dave, you are a smart guy. I hope you don't think that any of this is an accident. Vlad Putin has been planning this for years. (Look up KT McFarland of FOX News) The invasion of Ukraine put everything in motion. This is a win/win for Vlad whether he pulled it off in 10 days or 10 years Vlad comes out ahead. I really think he had something to do with the stolen 2020 election. None of this would be happening if DJT was the president today.
Russia is consolidating its military presence in the captured port city of Mariupol by constructing a large army facility, satellite photos released from the Earth observation company Maxar appear to show.
On 30 September, Melitopol was annexed by Russia as part of the Russian annexation of Zaporizhzhia oblast, and is still held by Russia.
Better limit your specialty ta craters, tater head.
Russia is consolidating its military presence in the captured port city of Mariupol by constructing a large army facility, satellite photos released from the Earth observation company Maxar appear to show.
On 30 September, Melitopol was annexed by Russia as part of the Russian annexation of Zaporizhzhia oblast, and is still held by Russia.
Better limit your specialty ta craters, tater head.
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