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Posted By: stxhunter Nuclear - 09/15/22
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.
Posted By: stxhunter Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Countries should be increasing nuclear power generation! It is insane from a national security standpoint & bad for the environment to shut them down.
Posted By: hemiallen Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Excellent suggestion, he needs to cut you some stocks for the tip!


I'm not keen on going electric, needing a charge station, etc, especially here in "roll the dice for who gets electricity today" land
Posted By: navlav8r Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Neucular 😁
Posted By: 700LH Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
The world needs to learn to be happy accept reality and stop chasing rainbows
Posted By: Oldman03 Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
I find it funny that 20 years ago, nuclear energy was baaaad. The green people were 1000% against it, but..... now that those same green people realize that there will never be enough solar and wind generated electricity to meet their needs, they have decided that nuclear energy is green.

All they are is a bunch of dumbasses!
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.
You should be on his payroll.
Posted By: DHN Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by Oldman03
I find it funny that 20 years ago, nuclear energy was baaaad. The green people were 1000% against it, but..... now that those same green people realize that there will never be enough solar and wind generated electricity to meet their needs, they have decided that nuclear energy is green.

All they are is a bunch of dumbasses!
similar thing with shopping bags - 40-50 years ago paper bags were bad, using up too many trees, chemical polution, etc. Now plastic is bad, let's use a renewable resource.
Posted By: kaywoodie Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
I do not care for the chump. Matter of fact he can kiss my ass
Posted By: Daveinjax Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
I agree 100% with Musk. We should get 100% of our base load from nuclear power. People wring their hands about nuclear power but ignore the environmental costs of all other forms of electricity production. A modern nuclear plant is to an old 50’s-60’s nuclear plant as a model T ford is to a brand new 2022 car. A modern nuclear power plant is extremely safe and clean. I lived just a few miles from a coal fired plant for a few years and the ash falling on my truck was heck on the paint. I wonder what else the ash was hurting ? I’m not a anthropomorphic climate change believer but pollution is a real problem and nuclear power is the cleanest and most reliable power source available. We mine the least , transport the least , have the highest reliability with nuclear power.
As for electric cars I think they’re an unworkable substitute for petroleum powered vehicles.
Posted By: saddlesore Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I agree 100% with Musk. We should get 100% of our base load from nuclear power. People wring their hands about nuclear power but ignore the environmental costs of all other forms of electricity production. A modern nuclear plant is to an old 50’s-60’s nuclear plant as a model T ford is to a brand new 2022 car. A modern nuclear power plant is extremely safe and clean. I lived just a few miles from a coal fired plant for a few years and the ash falling on my truck was heck on the paint. I wonder what else the ash was hurting ? I’m not a anthropomorphic climate change believer but pollution is a real problem and nuclear power is the cleanest and most reliable power source available. We mine the least , transport the least , have the highest reliability with nuclear power.
As for electric cars I think they’re an unworkable substitute for petroleum powered vehicles.

There still is no safe way to store used rods used in the reactors
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Nothing wrong with coal or natural gas generation either.
Posted By: RufusG Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I agree 100% with Musk. We should get 100% of our base load from nuclear power. People wring their hands about nuclear power but ignore the environmental costs of all other forms of electricity production. A modern nuclear plant is to an old 50’s-60’s nuclear plant as a model T ford is to a brand new 2022 car. A modern nuclear power plant is extremely safe and clean. I lived just a few miles from a coal fired plant for a few years and the ash falling on my truck was heck on the paint. I wonder what else the ash was hurting ? I’m not a anthropomorphic climate change believer but pollution is a real problem and nuclear power is the cleanest and most reliable power source available. We mine the least , transport the least , have the highest reliability with nuclear power.
As for electric cars I think they’re an unworkable substitute for petroleum powered vehicles.

There still is no safe way to store used rods used in the reactors

We've been storing them safely for fifty or sixty years now. Zero impact on human health or the environment. The total volume encompassed by all the spent fuel ever generated is so inconsequential you have to wonder why people aren't embarrassed to complain about it.
Posted By: High_Noon Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Molten Salt Reactors would be the way to go. Smaller, less expensive and much safer.
Posted By: Daveinjax Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Exactly right RufusG. We could reduce the spent fuel waste even more if used reprocessed mix oxides. The proposed storage in the salt deposits was a good safe plan and should be implemented.
Posted By: Daveinjax Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by High_Noon
Molten Salt Reactors would be the way to go.
This might be an even better option but it’s not really viable at this point. We should be building plants now ! Fossil fuels should be used for transportation.
Posted By: stxhunter Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.
You should be on his payroll.
lol, sure he already thought this out.
Posted By: TheBigSky Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more
Respond to another one and state that "in order to support EV's, it would take daily carnal activity between my wife and me". Hey! It's worth a shot.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Why not use all forms of energy all at the same time? Just what you need, whatever.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Neucular 😁
Ha.

As Bush and many others say, "nuklar".
Posted By: 45_100 Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by DHN
Originally Posted by Oldman03
I find it funny that 20 years ago, nuclear energy was baaaad. The green people were 1000% against it, but..... now that those same green people realize that there will never be enough solar and wind generated electricity to meet their needs, they have decided that nuclear energy is green.

All they are is a bunch of dumbasses!
similar thing with shopping bags - 40-50 years ago paper bags were bad, using up too many trees, chemical polution, etc. Now plastic is bad, let's use a renewable resource.

I was reading something the other day and the guy wrote to control people you create an object of panic and convince them there will be consequences if these objects of panic are not stopped. The things described above as well as climate change and domestic terrorists are all objects of panic. There are lots more.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Originally Posted by stxhunter
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.
You should be on his payroll.
lol, sure he already thought this out.

BFD, Roger, he can afford us.
Posted By: rainshot Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Look up Thorium reactor. In the late 60’s at Oak Ridge they operated a thorium reactor successfully. It is much safer than uranium but in 1973 our government decided to go with uranium. Thorium reactors are safer to operate and generate electricity well.
Fissile fuel is still the most efficient and viable for transportation. Wind and solar are Chinese boondoggles. They destroy our environment, land and electricity transport on meager production that is largely unproductive a lot of the year. Their maintenance far out weighs any benefits. They serve to enrich China and drain our wealth.
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
The technology has come leaps and bounds since the reactors of the 70’s and 80’s. They can use spent fuel nowadays too.
Posted By: RockyRaab Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
The safest and most permanent way to dispose of nuclear (or nukular, take your pick) waste is to encase it i glass and deposit it on the ocean floor at the junction of almost any tectonic plate subduction zone. It will be carried down into the earth's mantle from there and transformed into magma - which is exactly where it came from.
Posted By: Yukoner Re: Nuclear - 09/15/22
Now, that is something I would like to know more about, Rocky. Best solution by far!

Ted
Posted By: luv2safari Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by stxhunter
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.
You should be on his payroll.
lol, sure he already thought this out.

IMO you're 100% correct. Musk is head and shoulders smarter than the collective Campfire.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
It takes 20 years to plan and build a nuke, counting all the impact statements, permits, etc. The left will likely make it much longer with all their lawsuits. They need to get started NOW.
Posted By: czech1022 Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
California is having rolling blackouts. Recently their governor (Democrat, what else?) signed a bill into law that everyone in the state would have to buy an electric car!

No explanation for how they are going to provide electricity for all those new cars.
Posted By: IZH27 Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Modern “nucular” isn’t three mile island “nucular”. Low carbon foot print. Smaller and more local. Cheaper to build. Long production life. Cheap long term energy.
Posted By: kkahmann Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Rufous is right. While not exactly what I’d call inconsequential nuclear waste is easily handled and stored.
Posted By: Showdog75 Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I agree 100% with Musk. We should get 100% of our base load from nuclear power. People wring their hands about nuclear power but ignore the environmental costs of all other forms of electricity production. A modern nuclear plant is to an old 50’s-60’s nuclear plant as a model T ford is to a brand new 2022 car. A modern nuclear power plant is extremely safe and clean. I lived just a few miles from a coal fired plant for a few years and the ash falling on my truck was heck on the paint. I wonder what else the ash was hurting ? I’m not a anthropomorphic climate change believer but pollution is a real problem and nuclear power is the cleanest and most reliable power source available. We mine the least , transport the least , have the highest reliability with nuclear power.
As for electric cars I think they’re an unworkable substitute for petroleum powered vehicles.

There still is no safe way to store used rods used in the reactors
That's false. Dry cask storage is used worldwide. Very simple process. If it weren't for dry cask storage most all nuke plants would be shut down already due to lack of space in the spent fuel pool. Plants weren't ever meant to be ran as long as they have but thanks to DCS all of our nuclear fleet has a much extended lifespan.
Posted By: IZH27 Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by kkahmann
Rufous is right. While not exactly what I’d call inconsequential nuclear waste is easily handled and stored.

Not only is it easily stored the newer technologies allow step down reactors to be built that will use the fuel rods that are no longer viable through their initial use. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Georgia Power & Electric's Plant Vogtle is the only nuclear plant currently under construction. It is $30 billion plant that has experienced massive cost overruns and delays - hardly surprising as nuclear plants are not exactly cookie cutter builds. But once operational, they will be the largest power production facility in the US.

But it ain't all peaches and cream - we're paying for it through higher utility rates.

The future is going to be Advanced Small Modular Reactors. They will be far quicker and cheaper to deploy and build.
Posted By: PJGunner Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by DHN
Originally Posted by Oldman03
I find it funny that 20 years ago, nuclear energy was baaaad. The green people were 1000% against it, but..... now that those same green people realize that there will never be enough solar and wind generated electricity to meet their needs, they have decided that nuclear energy is green.

All they are is a bunch of dumbasses!
similar thing with shopping bags - 40-50 years ago paper bags were bad, using up too many trees, chemical polution, etc. Now plastic is bad, let's use a renewable resource.

I was reading something the other day and the guy wrote to control people you create an object of panic and convince them there will be consequences if these objects of panic are not stopped. The things described above as well as climate change and domestic terrorists are all objects of panic. There are lots more.

Sounds like you read the book "State of Fear" by Micheal Chrichton. There's about a 5 or 6 page dissertation where one man is schooling another on how dot gov uses fear to control WE THE PEOPLE. I read that book about five years ago. When the covid crap started up, that conversation in the book was almost the script for what followed. Kind of like deja vu all over again. That was probably one of the reasons I refused to wear a mask unless absolutely forced to do so and for the record, I never experienced covid 19. Still refuse the mask except at the doctors or for my chemo treatments where I have no choice in the matter. When confronted by some snowflake at the store I ask back, I'm not afraid. are you afraid? are you living in fear? I'm not and it's probly because I read that novel over five years ago. Old age or that damn cancer may kill me. Might even be a jealous husband but to live in fear of a virus I can't see, no way Jose!
PJ
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
The only two things holding back nuclear in this country are fear and ignorance.
Posted By: navlav8r Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Use the depleted uranium for A-10 ammo.
Posted By: atomchaser Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
High Level Nuclear Waste is strictly a political problem. We spent billions to build a facility at Yucca mountain to safely store it. Harry Reid and Obama killed it. It would all fit on one football field 10 yards deep.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by DHN
Originally Posted by Oldman03
I find it funny that 20 years ago, nuclear energy was baaaad. The green people were 1000% against it, but..... now that those same green people realize that there will never be enough solar and wind generated electricity to meet their needs, they have decided that nuclear energy is green.

All they are is a bunch of dumbasses!
similar thing with shopping bags - 40-50 years ago paper bags were bad, using up too many trees, chemical polution, etc. Now plastic is bad, let's use a renewable resource.
They have visions of denuded hills, all the trees cut for paper. The fools can't realize that trees are grown as a farm crop. They aren't wild trees. The only difference between farm trees and corn is that corn takes 1 season while trees take many seasons. Some species don't even have to be replanted. They're cut off at the ground and immediately they resprout from the stump.
Posted By: luv2safari Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.

As usual, the man is correct. He didn't build his immense fortune by being ignorant.
Posted By: luv2safari Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by atomchaser
High Level Nuclear Waste is strictly a political problem. We spent billions to build a facility at Yucca mountain to safely store it. Harry Reid and Obama killed it. It would all fit on one football field 10 yards deep.


Keep it in your back yard, then.
Posted By: Ghostinthemachine Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by stxhunter
I responded to one of Musk's tweets the other day that in order to support EV's it would take more nuclear plants. I just read one of his tweets today calling to start up nuclear plants and build more.

As usual, the man is correct. He didn't build his immense fortune by being ignorant.

He's not an idiot, but I wish people here would stop sucking his dick. I'd wager his iq is around 130.
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by RufusG
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I agree 100% with Musk. We should get 100% of our base load from nuclear power. People wring their hands about nuclear power but ignore the environmental costs of all other forms of electricity production. A modern nuclear plant is to an old 50’s-60’s nuclear plant as a model T ford is to a brand new 2022 car. A modern nuclear power plant is extremely safe and clean. I lived just a few miles from a coal fired plant for a few years and the ash falling on my truck was heck on the paint. I wonder what else the ash was hurting ? I’m not a anthropomorphic climate change believer but pollution is a real problem and nuclear power is the cleanest and most reliable power source available. We mine the least , transport the least , have the highest reliability with nuclear power.
As for electric cars I think they’re an unworkable substitute for petroleum powered vehicles.

There still is no safe way to store used rods used in the reactors

We've been storing them safely for fifty or sixty years now. Zero impact on human health or the environment. The total volume encompassed by all the spent fuel ever generated is so inconsequential you have to wonder why people aren't embarrassed to complain about it.
Well, except for the spent fuel that overheated at Fu ki shima.
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Musk can see that he'd sell a lot more Teslas if there were nukes to power them. Windmills aren't going to get it done.
Gavin just signed a bill in CA that requires EV's by 2035. That's just enough time to build some nukes if they start NOW. I can't see them getting it done. The CA liberals will fight them all the way and when the state shuts down from lack of power, they'll just cry that it's Trump's fault.
Posted By: DMc Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
I'm inclined to say: Fossil fuel and hang the communist, but we'll never be like the Jetson's with fossil fuels. I'd kinda like a flying car. But with nukes we create a national weakness. Meltdowns have occurred and will so again. Radiation for a 1000 years? Fug that.
Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
The guy may be flaky at times but he's not stupid. He also has said that we need to increase fossil fuel supplies until the alternatives are more capable. As opposed to the typical idiot liberal who wants the world economy to tank and Europe to freeze as incentives to adopt their policies.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Neucular 😁
Calm down George,

Calm down.
Posted By: windridge Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I do not care for the chump. Matter of fact he can kiss my ass

He's made my ass a little bit richer than poor, riding his stock right on up. He's smarter than we are, I wager.

He doesn't care for "Woke", and he has my good graces for that. I love the way he's playing Twitter for the Twatter they are.
Posted By: CraigD Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Originally Posted by atomchaser
High Level Nuclear Waste is strictly a political problem. We spent billions to build a facility at Yucca mountain to safely store it. Harry Reid and Obama killed it. It would all fit on one football field 10 yards deep.

Spot on reply! Yucca Mountain was ready to go but thanks to Reid and Obama spent fuel rods (still with lots of fuel if reprocessed) are stored at every nuclear power plant. Jimmy Carter killed the fuel reprocessing in the US.
Posted By: atomchaser Re: Nuclear - 09/16/22
Gladly. All you need is deep mine in stable formation. Finland just opened a repository for their high level waste. Better yet, start reprocessing it. Spent fuel can be recycled and used again, greatly reducing waste volumes.
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Nuclear - 09/17/22
All EVs would only make sense if they expect a sudden, huge population drop.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Nuclear - 09/17/22
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
All EVs would only make sense if they expect a sudden, huge population drop.
Vaccines
Posted By: Sitka deer Re: Nuclear - 09/17/22
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
All EVs would only make sense if they expect a sudden, huge population drop.
Vaccines
Imagine that...
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Nuclear - 09/17/22
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It takes 20 years to plan and build a nuke, counting all the impact statements, permits, etc. The left will likely make it much longer with all their lawsuits. They need to get started NOW.

Why, when their plan is to have less than 500 million people on earth in a few more years.

Right now they are working on convincing snowflakes there are not enough resources on earth to sustain billions of people without destroying Mother Earth, their new religion. Think Jim Jones magnified. Ex: Transgender sex change, sterilization with jabs, population reduction through toxic meds like Remdisivir,......
Posted By: Brakeman97 Re: Nuclear - 09/17/22
I grew up a few miles from the OAK Ridge National Laboratory. My father worked for the NRC for a while as well. The molten salt reactors are fabulously safe, BUTTTT they aren't breeding reactors. That is the big hang-up in it's adoption. By a far margin, most reactors in the world are breeder reactors meaning you can make other isotopes with them, chiefly plutonium for nuclear bombs and enriched fuels, as well as radio active medical and industrial products. Yet once you have a couple of those running, you don't need more of them, but it becomes harder to sell the new designs to the bean counters who expect all of these other products to compensate for the cost even if that capacity won't really be used.
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