OK, we're here at work and we're having an argument on who would win a fight between a large grizzly bear and a large silver back gorilla. The bear might weigh 800 to 1000 lbs.? The gorilla only weighs about 300 to 500 lbs.?
My son and I say that definitely the grizzly bear would win.
Some of these dumb rednecks that work for me say the gorilla would win.
I told them that I would ask the wildlife experts on the Campfire. What say you?
OK, we're here at work and we're having an argument on who would win a fight between a large grizzly bear and a large silver back gorilla. The bear might weigh 800 to 1000 lbs.? The gorilla only weighs about 300 to 500 lbs.?
My son and I say that definitely the grizzly bear would win.
Some of these dumb rednecks that work for me say the gorilla would win.
I told them that I would ask the wildlife experts on the Campfire. What say you?
No contest. The grizzly. Even a large black bear could beat a silverback gorilla. Even a leopard is more than the equal to a silverback gorilla in a real fight. Silverbacks are known to intervene when a leopard has hold of a young gorilla, and its success rate in driving off the leopard (rather than being killed by it) is only about even odds, at best, and there's only one record of a silverback killing a leopard in such a situation. If there's a death, it's usually the silverback.
Both have powerful jaws and razor sharp teeth but the bear has the claws to go with it. They estimate that a Silverback has more strength than 7x the strongest man that you could ever find on earth. Those are some strong fuggers.
My money is on the grizzly. Years ago I read an interesting book called American Maneaters. In it the author tells of a match between an African Lion and a Grizzly that took place in the late nineteenth century in San Francisco IIRC. The grizzly killed the lion in just a few seconds and the crowd was outraged as they had paid good money to see this fight to the death. Ol’ Ursus Horribilis is horrible, especially in a fight.
In the Roman Colliseum the big bears always won. That includes against lions and tigers. and bulls.
Yeah, I think all the recorded cases of Siberian Tigers killing and eating Russian Brown Bears were cases of the Tiger entering the den while the Bear was hibernating.
I have hunted Africa and never felt under gunned (took a 458 Lott/35 Whelen). Bought a stainless 375 H&H for an eventual grizzly hunt which I haven't taken yet. Hope to soon.
In the mean time, we went to the San Diego Zoo a few years back and went up to their grizzly section. Holy smokes those two were monsters in my eyes. That was the first moment that I ever felt I would be under gunned with the 375. I know it isn't with proper shot placement, but it damn sure unnerved me.
Griz would smack the gorilla in the neck and it would be all over. The outfitter that I knew in British Columbia had seen a griz smack a 900 pound horse in the neck, one time, and broke the horse's neck.
The gorilla would learn to haul ass if a bear was close. A friend of mine was watching an inland grizzly on the North Slope. A gopher type critte r ran under a bundle of 3/4 treated plywood. He said the bear went over and lifted it with one leg and was clawing underneath it with the other. Sure. Impressed my buddy. Edk
Stonecutter; Good afternoon, I hope the last day of the week went acceptably for you and those you care about are well.
With the understanding that I'm an expert on exactly nothing and bears even less so, I'll mention a couple instances of bear encounters.
A buddy in northern BC had a 3 year old bull moose hauled out of the creek where it was cooling and most of the fronts, ribs, neck and one back leg were eaten or too messed up to salvage. He said it was dragged about 30 yards out of the creek, through some willows and onto a gravel bar for the meal.
Another fellow I worked for had a horse die in the Wilmore Wilderness in Alberta and that night, what he described as "the smallest excuse for a 5' grizzly you've ever seen" dragged it about 100 yards off into a creek bottom to feast.
Here's a video of an Alberta grizzly digging up a black bear sow with 3 cubs. It's pretty sporty towards the end and there's also a language warning too.
When I'm hunting solo on the mountain behind the house, where we've seen 10 different black bears this fall so far and grizzly bears use the area as a travel corridor, I do my best to pay attention for them for sure.
They're crazy powerful and incredibly fast.
We've seen a black bear come within a whisker of running down a mulie heifer who was booking it down the mountain for all she was worth and that goofy little bear nearly caught her.
Anyways sir, I could go on, but my money is on the bear every time for sure.
All the best and good luck on your hunts this fall.
No contest. The grizzly. Even a large black bear could beat a silverback gorilla. Even a leopard is more than the equal to a silverback gorilla in a real fight. Silverbacks are known to intervene when a leopard has hold of a young gorilla, and its success rate in driving off the leopard (rather than being killed by it) is only about even odds, at best, and there's only one record of a silverback killing a leopard in such a situation. If there's a death, it's usually the silverback.
Per usual, the resident expert has all the answers. No point in directing a question to anyone else, TRH will give you the facts. Just ask him.
I saw a sight in the very earliest days of the North Slope on the Put River. Frontier Const had a camp there, and they had a big steel dumpster for the camp garbage...every bear in 40 miles was familiar with it. I don't think grizz and brown bear are the same, but anyway, about ten of us saw a big brown and a polar bear face off. not for long, polar bear backed down and brownie owned that dumpster. Of course I don't know if the polar bear had learned to back down or just didn't feel like a fight that day. Quite a production when the bullcooks had to take out the garbage, first they would get a big Terex frontend loader, put the garbage sacks in the bucket with one of the bullcooks..then out to the dumpster they'd go, the bullcook would climb out of the bucket and open the dumpster hatch on top, throw in the sacks. If a bear showed up the loaderman would lay on the horn, raise the bucket as high as it would go and take garbage and bullcook back to camp for another try a few hours later. I heard later that some Einstein wired 220V to the dumpster to discourage the bears, a guy forgot to flip off the breaker and touched the dumpster, got his dick knocked stiff. Safety man nixed that plan.
Stonecutter; Good afternoon, I hope the last day of the week went acceptably for you and those you care about are well.
With the understanding that I'm an expert on exactly nothing and bears even less so, I'll mention a couple instances of bear encounters.
A buddy in northern BC had a 3 year old bull moose hauled out of the creek where it was cooling and most of the fronts, ribs, neck and one back leg were eaten or too messed up to salvage. He said it was dragged about 30 yards out of the creek, through some willows and onto a gravel bar for the meal.
Another fellow I worked for had a horse die in the Wilmore Wilderness in Alberta and that night, what he described as "the smallest excuse for a 5' grizzly you've ever seen" dragged it about 100 yards off into a creek bottom to feast.
Here's a video of an Alberta grizzly digging up a black bear sow with 3 cubs. It's pretty sporty towards the end and there's also a language warning too.
When I'm hunting solo on the mountain behind the house, where we've seen 10 different black bears this fall so far and grizzly bears use the area as a travel corridor, I do my best to pay attention for them for sure.
They're crazy powerful and incredibly fast.
We've seen a black bear come within a whisker of running down a mulie heifer who was booking it down the mountain for all she was worth and that goofy little bear nearly caught her.
Anyways sir, I could go on, but my money is on the bear every time for sure.
All the best and good luck on your hunts this fall.
Dwayne
I believe I've seen that video of the grizzly killing the baby black bear before a few year ago. Really sad for the baby bear. I guess mamma felt lucky getting away with two of them.
Per usual, the resident expert has all the answers. No point in directing a question to anyone else, TRH will give you the facts. Just ask him.
Does your opinion differ?
No one knows you dumb ass. I deal with grizzlies yearly, but have no opinion, unlike you. No one can know for certain except under multiple encounters (which isn't going to happen, ever). What I do know is that most large predators are pussies at heart and don't want to get hurt. My gut feeling is a draw, but there's no way to know and it's a ridiculous question as they'd never meet.
That sort of comment is open to two opposite interpretations. Which statements are funny?
It means no one on this thread, especially you, has enough field experience to know the answer.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet (if any) would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
at my place in Minnesota i use a wire fence with a electric fencer 24 hrs. a day tell freeze up only way to keep bears and raccoons away from areas i want not destroyed including bird feeder, garden ,garbage ,coons and black bears don`t like electricity.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
Did it ever occur to you, the speculation is an exercise in having fun?
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
Agreed. Just a fun discussion among Fire members. Perhaps, if you tell me why you're so angry, we could work it out.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
PS I'm certainly no member of the flat earth society.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
Did it ever occur to you, the speculation is an exercise in having fun?
He’s having too much fun virtue signaling. His post(s) were well thought out scientifically based observations with citations and photos.
I think it's understood that only a tiny percentage of human beings on the planet would be considered personally knowledgeable about the question, but it seemed like it was open to the opinions of the Fire members, generally, i.e., just a fun discussion. If I was mistaken in this assumption, I apologize.
No one on the planet has the knowledge to make this call. Go back to your flat earth society fellowship...
PS I'm certainly no member of the flat earth society.
At the risk of triggering Brad.... I would put my money on the Grizz over the Ape... and the brown over the Toklat.... and the brown over the polar.... prove me wrong..
At the risk of triggering Brad.... I would put my money on the Grizz over the Ape... and the brown over the Toklat.... and the brown over the polar.... prove me wrong..
No one on this thread, especially you, has the field experience to know the answer.
At the risk of triggering Brad.... I would put my money on the Grizz over the Ape... and the brown over the Toklat.... and the brown over the polar.... prove me wrong..
No one on this thread, especially you, has the field experience to know the answer.
Brad
I have slept with a few gorilla's in my day.... so there.... experience matters...
In the movie Prey, an Alien Predictor took a grizzly down, and he was hardly scratch at all. I have seen wolves take a grizzly, but they just wore it down until it too exhausted to fight.
Sitka deer; Good evening to you sir, I hope the week went according to plane and that you're fine family are all doing well too.
While it was a long, long time ago when I was there - 1975 to be exact - and I've never been "that guy" who "feels things", I don't recall the Coliseum as being a pleasant feeling place at all.
I recall quite vividly being glad to be out and away from it. Somehow I'd thought it would be larger too, seeing Ben Hur as a kid and all I suppose. Not that it's small exactly, I just thought it'd be bigger somehow.
The only other place I've been that I could feel "something" was the Alamo, but it was different and I didn't want to get away from there the same way.
Anyways Sitka, back to the regular programming and out of the rhubarb and all that.
All the best to you all and good hunting this fall.
Sitka deer; Good evening to you sir, I hope the week went according to plane and that you're fine family are all doing well too.
While it was a long, long time ago when I was there - 1975 to be exact - and I've never been "that guy" who "feels things", I don't recall the Coliseum as being a pleasant feeling place at all.
I recall quite vividly being glad to be out and away from it. Somehow I'd thought it would be larger too, seeing Ben Hur as a kid and all I suppose. Not that it's small exactly, I just thought it'd be bigger somehow.
The only other place I've been that I could feel "something" was the Alamo, but it was different and I didn't want to get away from there the same way.
Anyways Sitka, back to the regular programming and out of the rhubarb and all that.
All the best to you all and good hunting this fall.
Dwayne
I have been to a few places of terrible history and "felt things" but not the Coliseum. But I have read quite a bit about the way they ran the contests. Christians did not get off easy...
atvalaska; Good evening to you sir, I hope the night's a fine one up north there and you're well.
That's pretty crazy when you think about it isn't it? Dragging a cow moose by itself up a bank like that.
When my buddy Jack was describing the little grizzly that had dragged off his dead pack horse in the Wilmore, I can still see him shaking his head describing how scrawny the bear was. Then he asked, "How many of us would it have taken to drag a dead horse 100 yards?"
Even when we've found rocks bears have dug up looking for grubs, it's a bit of a head scratcher sometimes and those were not grizzly bears, just garden variety BC black bears.
As I mentioned above too, my buddy, his girlfriend, my wife and I all witnessed a black bear chasing a mulie heifer and nearly catching it, which when we all considered just what we saw was another head scratcher.
Anyways, they do make the mountains more interesting for sure, especially since the brain trust in Victoria decided we can't hunt the grizzlies anymore so they've sort of lost respect for us.
In the Roman Colliseum the big bears always won. That includes against lions and tigers. and bulls.
Imagine capturing a live big bear with Roman equipment. Wow.
Roman equipment?….slaves and chains? They had plenty of both slaves and chains but not as many wild beasts for the Coliseum as their blood lust demanded. 😉
Whether something happened or not requires first that the something be defined, but there's a thread where this particular discussion is going on, and it's not this one.
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
[bleep] let's go! Get the damned thing fully mounted and set it on the couch just to feck with people!
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
[bleep] let's go! Get the damned thing fully mounted and set it on the couch just to feck with people!
Jane Goodall eat your heart out!
When I win the lotto I’m shooting a gorilla. I’ll post pics, caliber, loads, the whole shebang.
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
[bleep] let's go! Get the damned thing fully mounted and set it on the couch just to feck with people!
Jane Goodall eat your heart out!
When I win the lotto I’m shooting a gorilla. I’ll post pics, caliber, loads, the whole shebang.
Since you're winning the lottery, I'll help you drag it out! Gonna cost you a lot of money (since you won) for my efforts.
Okay, dragging a dead bear out of the woods is a pain in the ass, think a gorilla would be worse?
Out of all the myriad of animals that would defend against or kill to eat you, there are two that strike my mind with eyes that want to murder you out of shear HATE.
1. Grizzly 2. Cape Buffalo
How many "what pistol do I need for Grizzly" threads have been on here? How many for the gorilla?
Grizzly and it isn't close.
Because we can't hunt gorillas lol.
How many posters have even hunted in gorilla habitat? Seen one?
I'd love to bag one. Hell I'd shoot a whole tribe of em. Hides, full body mounts, would be neat.
[bleep] let's go! Get the damned thing fully mounted and set it on the couch just to feck with people!
Jane Goodall eat your heart out!
When I win the lotto I’m shooting a gorilla. I’ll post pics, caliber, loads, the whole shebang.
Since you're winning the lottery, I'll help you drag it out! Gonna cost you a lot of money (since you won) for my efforts.
Okay, dragging a dead bear out of the woods is a pain in the ass, think a gorilla would be worse?
This schitzz getting serious.
That’s what local labor is for. But I’ll spring for bongo tags and bottomless gin and tonics
Interesting hypothetical. I wouldn't think a virgin gorilla would stand a chance, but if they actually cohabited, bears would be fetching balls for the apes in a few years.
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