I'm in the market for a new 1/2 ton truck and am looking at purchasing one with a small Eco Diesel from either Dodge or Chevy. I would also consider a used F-150 diesel(option discontinued in 22') at the right price. The truck will be a daily driver, but will also be used 6-8 times a year for pulling a 14x7 enclosed trailer, containing 2-3 dirt bikes and equipment. So nothing too heavy. A few of those trips will be from Central TX to Colorado, Utah and Arizona. I currently have a 4.6 Tundra that will do the job, but it's a struggle and the gas mileage is in the 8mpg range. So not good. Seems the smaller diesels would be perfect for this type of use.

Anyone here on the Fire own, or have experience with one of these smaller diesels that can provide feedback, pro's/con's etc.? I've never owned a diesel, but have heard they're considerably more expensive to own. I know diesel fuel is currently high, but figured with the increased mpg's, it'd be a wash. Not to start a pizzing match, but another concern is long term reliability. I've been driving Tundra's since 01' and they have been absolutely rock solid and super reliable. Seems most of my friends, family, coworkers with Dodge's, Ford's and especially Chevy's have had a litany of maint issues during ownership. Are the newer models any better?

Oh and also...I'm not interested in an Ford Eco Boost or a big V8(due to fuel efficiency).

Thanks much for any input.

I believe Dodge/Ram is discontinuing their ecoDiesel soon as well.

I've read the same.

I know a guy with the baby Duramax 1500 4x4 and he likes it. Had some woes with it early, but got them fixed. He gets high 20's MPG with factory tires on the highway, mid 20's average.

As an aside, it sounds like Dodge may soon also go the way of Ford and Toyota with the turbo-6 gas engines. Like you said, when you factor in fuel costs, the MPG is about a wash versus a small diesel in a half ton. I like the Eco Boost, personally, but I do know one local guy that issues with his Raptor turbo. He could tear up an anvil with a rubber hammer, but he popped that engine. The rest of the guys I know like the MPG and the power. Some trucks are now 9-10 years old.

Somewhere down the line honk for Joey will mandate diesel only for commercial vehicles. The line will long for people who use diesel powered vehicles for farm or ranch or other business. The manufactures will simply be told don't offer them. There are toyota diesels all over the world why aren't availible here?..mb

No.

Dodge announced they are discontinuing their 1/2 ton diesel engine line of pickups.

My brother had a F150 diesel. He liked it.

You get 8mpg from your current pickup, and then say you aren't interested in an EcoBoost because of poor gas mileage?

That confuses me because mine gets 20mpg, and it's the 3.5 high output EcoBoost.... And the gas I put in it cost 85 cents per gallon less than diesel... but has 375hp, vs the 250hp diesels.

You'd have to get many, many miles per gallon better than 20 out of a small pickup diesel to break even, and that's not even counting the thousands extra for the diesel engine to start with.


Just trying to understand your expectations...

Buy a diesel and do a delete if your state has no emissions inspection.

The only way small diesels make sense is in stripped down economy-work type pickups.

I am talking 35 l plus MPG.



Basically like what the rest of the silly world uses small diesels for.


Our current half ton diesels are stupid squared. Expensive to buy, gutless, and expensive to operate.


So....maybe stupid cubed.

In my mind, a man needs a real diesel... or something basic like a F-150, Tundra or Taco... or even a Ridgeline for that matter.

Not judging you WbyFan1...

Maybe a smaller trailer behind your Tundra is a better answer? Just a thought.

I have four vehicles here getting 43 to 63 MPG... and four Cummins to pull loads.

Ford and Dodge discontinued their diesel option in 1/2 ton pickups. How far behind is GM with their axe?

Even at 35mpg, once you add the $4-5000 extra for the diesel in a half ton pickup, you'd have to get lots of years/miles out of it to pay for that...

4 or $5000 buys a LOT of gasoline.

I have a 2015 Ram 1500 Laramie Ecodiesel that I bought in February of 21 that was $20k out the door. Full delete and tune, I get 27mpg on average. I absolutely love this truck, except that it was assessed for $46k, which is what my personal property tax bill was based on. $900 to the county. Hope they're happy, stupid board of supervisors and their damn tax hikes.

When I bought mine, the price of gas was $1.99 vs $2.05 for diesel, and a 2015 Laramie with the 5.7 was only about $1000 less than what I paid. At the time it made sense. Nowadays, I'd not do it again. FJB

Virginia taxes vehicles every year?

Damn.

The individual counties set the local rate. Which is super fun....

Plus the vehicle market being all out of wack really doesn't help.

Because the US imposes a 25% tariff on imported light trucks (Chicken Tax). It wouldn't be an issue if they would build them here and I am not sure why they don't. I guess that doesn't apply to light trucks also built in Mexico and Canada (North America).

I drove a 2022 diesel Hilux in Peru quite a bit and it is a really good truck and a perfect size for backwoods hunting for me.

Sorry, my statement was a bit confusing, I meant poor gas mileage from the big V-8's, not the Eco Boost. I know the Eco Boost get's decent gas mileage, especially when not towing. Just don't want the Eco Boost for various other reasons.

Brothers new 2022 F150 V8 5.0 gets 22 freeway, 17-18 city. That's not bad at all in my opinion. Better than another friends ecoboost when towing comparable loads as well.

True, but that extra for the diesel is not entirely wiped out on residual value. Especially here.

None of them will ever pencil out, they make zero sense.

North Americans cannot imagine using a small utility truck. If they were sold here, it wouldn't take more than two years for the base model to list power seats, power windows, air conditioning and a bidet as standard equipment.
I have a 1981 Dodge that gets over 12mpg pulling a small, enclosed trailer. Of course, I have to crank the window down by hand and reach out to adjust the mirror so it's pretty tough living. GD

As a society - the thought of being uncomfortable or inconvenienced in the least gives us heartburn.

Those who are comfortable with even the mildest of discomforts/efforts will do well in the coming collapse.

Will my heated seats still work in the case of an EMP attack?

The Ford Maverick hybrid gets 40 MPG (city) and starts at $21K for the base model. The 2023 model year is already sold out.

The engine is made by Fiat, and that engine has a reputation of lasting about 100K, Good for ANYTHING made by Fiat.

An American Gas engine would last much longer... I'm sure they are dumping it, after the grapevine has learned that it doesn't have the life span of what folks expect out of a diesel.

I've been hearing great things about the Chevy 3.0 Baby Max and it's capabilities. With 246 hp and 462 lb/ft of torque it will pull a pretty serious sized load and many guys have been reporting they pull large travel trailers and other loads with theirs and are quite happy with it. Highway mileage with the 3.0 seems to be pretty good also. Seems like a pretty good package to live with IMO...

Virginia and West Virginia both... Personal Property Tax

WV is a tiny fraction of what Virginia charges.

You're selling yourself short by not looking at the Ford Eco-boost. Especially for what you're using it for. Hell, to pull that trailer you could do it with a Chevy Colorado or Ford Ranger and get better mileage than you're getting now.

I pull a 4000 pound boat all over the damn place and get 10-12 mpg with the Ford 150 and a 2.7 eco-boost. The 3.5 would be even better.

I have 2 friends that have the GM diesel baby duramax and they really like it. Larger tires and also pull boats all over getting mid to high teens towing and 20's not towing.

I've a 2018 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi for work which involves moderate towing. 21 MPG rolling down the interstate at 85 mph. It'll tow a 6000 lb flatbed load from SLC to all over UT, NV, ID and get 13 MPG. We've considered the diesels, but the economics just don't work with the differential in fuel prices with the extra price of admission at purchase, and I don't have to deal with the panther piss you need to add to them for emissions. For heavy loads, I've a Dodge CTD. The 1/2 ton has been flawless at 140k miles.

Yodas certainly aren't known for their fuel economy. I'm not a fan of the ecoburst either but lots of peeps seem to be.

I'd love to see a 5.7 get 21 at 85mph LMAO. I think you mean 12 mpg

All diesels are making less sense.

I have the F150 3.5 and like it well, but my work truck is a 6.7 Powerstroke for pulling and towing. Mileage on it sucks, but it doesn't grunt.

Really don't want to buy another HD truck, but if I have to, I'd seriously consider the 7.3 gas engine.

In about 2-3 yrs a post will be started stating they wish the big 3 would make a dieseled powered 1/2 pickup.. From my understanding ford dropped it due to low sales, sounds like ram same thing.

NOt a good time to buy a diesel anything.

My wifes 2015 ram 1500 rolled 21 MPG on MT highways with the stock tires. Not so much with 35" tires though .

As mentioned emRam will discontinue their eco-diesel soon. My cousin has one in the GMC that he uses to pull his camper with says it pulls like a champ and he really likes it. From the short time I rode it with him I was a nice rig.

I have the Ford F 150 diesel. Mine is a 2018 I bought when the 2019’s came out. I need to mention my favorite niece sold me the truck. She is a long time employee of dealer ship that specializes in truck sales. Let’s just say I got a good deal on mine. Computer says 20+ mpg in town. So far I really like the truck. My last truck was a 2008 Duramax.
Hasbeen

If you want it...go get it.


They didn't really seem to be the solution to any problems....but go for it if you like.

If GM would just put the 3.0 Duramax in a Avalanche, you'd really have something practical and cool. 😉

But you'd still have a Chevy. And nobody wants that.

Friend has a Ram, he likes it.

That's about where I'm at as well when it comes time to replace my old 6.0 Ford.


The 6.7 is a great engine but even out here in the sticks sooner or later they might start cracking down on the deleted versions.


But if I had the cash I'd buy a new 6.7, be set for another 20 years and throw caution to the wind.....lol

Running a couple F150’s, a 2.7l and a 5.0. Both 4wd short bed extended cab,Carrying tools but no towing.
2.7l is hanging at 17mpg and the 5.0l 14.5mpg.
Pretty much all around town miles, no interstate.
The 2.7l feels like it has more get up and go to me but haven’t driven either much.

If I was considering a maverick, I’d find a Subaru Baja instead.

My Son has a 2021 Dodge 3.0 Eco Diesel.With the factory tires he got 29 MPG on the road.He put some huge mongo tires on it and now gets 24 MPG on the road.He hauls a 5,500 pound camper and gets 17MPG with it.He is a mechanic and is very happy with his truck.He has had Dodge and Chevy diesel trucks before and said this is much better.This is not a work truck for him.Just an expensive toy..He has a one ton Chevy Duelly diesel for serious stuff.

I have an eco diesel... mine is a little different though. It's in a Jeep Wrangler. I ordered the base model wrangler, no power locks, hand crank windows , soft top etc...
I got the diesel because I wanted to run large tires with a lift kit. The diesel came standard with lower gears and beefed up axles. Things I needed.
As for the engine, so far it has been great, extreme torque, good fuel mileage, I get mid 20's with 35" tires. High teens towing my boat.
I don't have enough miles on it for any long term assessment, but so far I really like it

Hopefully they keep it in the Wrangler line up. I’m wanting one for the reasons you stated but gotta finish paying off the house so next year for the new ride.

what a load of [bleep]! on all counts

Ben,
Before I had license plates I took my Wrangler to Moab, did many of the trails and the torque of the diesel made it a breeze.

I've got 136k on my Ecodiesel. Apparently it was supposed to be dead 36k ago. Someone might oughta tell it that, I don't think the truck would take my word for it.

Don't take Ol Seafire to seriously.... he changes the valve cover gaskets on his 30 yr old Toyota just because they may leak some day

I probably jinxed myself and will blow my turbo at a stoplight tomorrow 🤦🏻‍♂️

Bought my 1st diesel in '85 a Ford....have had 8-10 Duramax since then. Company trucks, sold a '06 Duramx this spring bought a F 150 .

Good truck .I don't drive it but gets in the 20's on the hiway. I have the last Duramax in the fleet. Drive my Suburban about half the time.

I will NEVER have another diesel pickup. As said multiple times here it DOESN'T pencil out .

Bear in mind I have put millons of diesel miles on since '85.... I know what I speak of. Besides I will NEVER own a diesel anything that has a

regen system or has to have the worthless stupid juice added to it.

I love my deisel trucks - have an '06 Dodge/Cummins and a '16 Chevy/Duramax. Everything I hear now on the newer deisels with all the emissions crap is to stay away unless you absolutely need the torque for hauling heavy all the time. Factoring in fuel costs and maintenance costs related to the emissions systems (and deisel engine maintence in general), it seems to not make sense anymore.

I'm retiring in 2 weeks and am seriously considering selling both deisels and buying one new gasser to be my last truck...

Currently, unless you’re getting 35% better mileage, then the diesel offers no $$ savings on fuel. Many 1/2tons are getting 20-22mpg, now, vs 28-30 for a diesel, so fuel costs are pretty much a wash. Add in extra price for the diesel, potential for SERIOUS repair costs, and the fact that these diesel are not “heavy duty”, and likely won’t last any longer than a gasser. Some may feel differently, but the benefits aren’t really there.

Sometimes it's not about the economics... pulling heavy loads in the mtns is so much easier with a diesel... not to mention the exhaust brake, a worthwhile thing

I've had a diesel suburban on order since tge first of the year. GM is not alocating any 3.0 diesels to the dealer lately is what they are telling me. They told me a few months ago they changed my order from 2022 to a 2023. Who knows if it'll ever show up. When I ordered it my wife said not to because we didn't currently need it. I said we may need one in a few years so we better order it now. Sucks they are still sitting on my deposit after 9 months and gm still hasn't even accepted the order.

I figure the fascist Government is telling the dealers to slow down the gas and especially diesel stuff until the electric crap is available. I'm just glad my new f150 powerboost has the 7.2 kwatt generator because I'll likely need it when the electric cars start taking iver and the grid crashes.

If I get that diesel suburban it will probably go up in value once the new diesels get canceled. If not I'll get the biggest extended warranty available and drive like I'm Cuban. By then Biden will probably have our economy like Cubas anyways.

Bb

The newer Ram Diesels are crappy Italian made engines. I heard that Nisan Titans have Cummins engines now. I usually don't like newer Nissans due to quality issues, but the Titan seems to be the exception.

I don't know why you wouldn't be interested in the Ford eco boost. It's the best engine out there. I have worked for Ford for almost 30 years and it's the best truck they have ever offered. I don't need a 3/4 ton because I only pull light trailers. But the Eco boost with max tow pulls like 13000 pounds. I'm a finance guy so I don't know all of the product knowledge but if you aren't buying an eco boost, you are out smarting yourself.

Neighbor has I believe a 19 or maybe a 20 F-150 Power Stroke.

I noticed it back in his drive Tuesday. It has been at Ford as much as it has been in his drive.

Last October the engine went out 250 miles from home. Sat in St Louis getting a new engine for 9 months. Had it back 2 weeks and went tits up again, that was the week before Father's day. Just got it back, haven't talked to him yet to see what Ford did.

He had a union represented attorney on it the last time I talked with him.

I can see if he would sell,🤣🤣.

Nice looking truck for sure.

My dealer offered a free 200k, 20 yr drivetrain warranty on my eco diesel and that help ease my concerns... we shall see

😎 - That’s exactly what I’m talking about.

Yes, I have a 21 GMC Sierra. I average about 32mpg going to work, 85 miles round trip. I can get 800 miles to a tank almost always above 700 miles to a tank. An absolute gem of a little engine, torque…. Pulls hills almost effortlessly. Without towing it sips def. When towing you’ll use more. I can get close to 10k miles to a tank of def normally. I’d buy another at this point, especially the new 3.0 duramax, 307hp and 495ft lb of torque. I can double the range of fuel of my 2007 titan I had with 3 gallons less of fuel. Also the duramax significantly performs better than the dodge eco diesel in acceleration.

Sako4me, thanks for sharing your positive experience. I purchased a 21 Sierra 1500 Denali with the 3.0 this week. Truck has 12,400 miles on it. It was a leased vehicle. The dealer has to make a few repair's so it will be some weeks before I get to bring it home. (Dealer service department backed up two weeks, wait for parts, yada, yada…)

Domestic vehicles are schitt.

Buy a 2500 Ram instead of a 1500. Get the Cummins diesel. If you do…you will wonder why it took you so long to get here.

I have the little diesel in my chevy 1500. I just drove 3+ hours in the mountains of PA and got 32mpg. I get 18 when pulling my Ford 4610 on a trailer. Average of 26 in day to day driving.
45,000 miles in, I really like the engine, but liked my Ford f150's better in all other ways.

For you guy's that own the Chevy 1/2 tons, how's the overall reliability been? Not just speaking about the motor drivetrain, but in all aspects

We have 2 ecodiesels. One is in a 1500 that has been stripped of all smog and tuned since new. Now 125k. Other is in a Grand Cherokee just egr disabled as it is under warranty.
We live in mountainous type roads and drive diesels because of the torque. If we lived on flatlands then we'd have gassers with over drive. As far as long term all included economy vs gasser = gasser wins by far.

Silly little virtue signaling toys.

Buy a 12 or early 24 valve Cummins Dodge 2500/3500 and "get er done".

She turns 21 this year.

I'm running a 2003 Ram 3500 HD, 5.9 Cummins. No problems with the way it drives, pulls, torque, or the engine (did have to replace injectors and sleeves a year ago). Sometimes with 3,000 lb camper and towing 2500 of boat/trailer. On-board computer said we got 14.4 over 1500 mies of driving, mostly on the open road, camper and boat. Since I removed the camper and not towing, it's running 18 plus, mixed driving, usually 10 miles or more per trip.

The thing has been a money pit, and that year (all models) is rated lemon. I can believe it. It just turned 125K.

It's on it's 3rd clutch (6-speed manual), 2nd water pump is leaking or shot (in shop now), 3rd front end (ball joints, tie-rod ends, etc, various drive-line components (U- joints, throw-outs, etc) have been replaced 2 or several times, on it's 2nd power steering pump, and hoses, factory hubs wore out and I had them replaced with top-of line repairable ones.

I'm guessing the tranny and/or front transfer case will be next... coolant leak may be more than just the water pump too... For the last year or two , it seems like it's been in the shop every couple months.

My wife wants to sell it off after the coolant leak is fixed and buy a 2 or 3 year old Ford 350 to wear the camper.

Maybe, but hell, most everything is nearly new at this point, and used vehicles are problematic, new ones are too expensive and complicated...I'm dragging my feet and will probably lose.

Unlikely we will buy Dodge again.

Hell, I guess I am due to suffer.

I recently gave up my 92 Toyota 22RE pickup. No radio, clutch and gears, had to lean over and crank the offside window, seat locked in the furthest rear position, get out and walk around to adjust the passenger side mirror, no AC, so I just left both side windows down all summer. And most of the heat came up through the defroster.

But the grand daughter is learning to be tough as I gave the PU to her.

I now luxuriate in a Honda Accord EX with all the options.
Idaho used to do that. But not on registered and licensed vehicles or RVs. Registration was the tax there.

They nailed us on farm equipment. But Idaho repealed PP Tax quite a few years ago.

How many logins profiles do you have? Maybe cut down on them and learn to back a trailer.

Hahahaha!

Larry Root Screen Grab?

Pretty much.

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