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Posted By: antelope_sniper For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Kherson is free.

Russia forces now south of the Dnipro River.

Got to wonder how much heavy equipment they left behind or they way out.

Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!

Ha that's pretty funny 😁
Who gives a flying phugg about either schiethole?
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
So my question is why. Why did the retreat? Tactics? Strategy? Or did they simply have to?

I guess we may see soon enough.
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

Well ya! The Russians aren't nice enough to launder billions for corrupt American politicians! The nerve of those turds...


The United States of America should stay out of Ukrainian and Russian affairs.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Time to blow the dam and wash that trash out of Kherson!
Posted By: Borchardt Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

Plus, the Ukies are laundering Democrat $, something the Russians steadfastly refuse to do.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?
Posted By: keith Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Ukraine = Russian birth control
Posted By: AKA_Spook Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.



I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.


Eehh.... fine line there, the friend of my enemy typically isnt my friend.

Actual civilian population? itsa coin toss. Although Ukie women have a slight edge.
Leadership? Ive seen/ heard just enough about the comedian, coupled with the fact that he sucks bidens ass .... I'll take Puty, at least he is a know quantity....and he's anti globohomowuhanlab. Bristoe said it best a few days back.

Our money going there? .... its the reason I'm cheering for Puty, They'll have to set up shop somewhere else and hopefully they are under enough scrutiny that theres a trail this time.
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
I,I,I say thar..

I hope those Negro Framers don’t Catch Wind of where all their Bribe Money been Go’n..

Ya ..

You ain’t seen Nothing Yet ..
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.


Yep that is all true.

Problem is you don’t seem to just oppose the Russians but you favor the Ukes.

Favoring the Ukes is supporting all three Obama administrations. Color revolutions and all… Period.

Others have already said this in different way.
Posted By: Morewood Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Borchardt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

Plus, the Ukies are laundering Democrat $, something the Russians steadfastly refuse to do.

Will the Oligarchs launder GOP money? Have they?
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.
Children be feelin'. Not thinking.
Posted By: irfubar Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

+1
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Kherson is free.

Russia forces now south of the Dnipro River.

Got to wonder how much heavy equipment they left behind or they way out.


you go girl


Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz
Originally Posted by keith
Ukraine = Russian birth control

Kind of like the Iran Iraq war. If both sides lose we win.

Since Russia's demonstrated they have no intention to play nice on the world stage, a weak Russia benefits the U.S. I don't really care who's weakening the Russians, Afghanistan, Chechen's. So long as the bleedings done by someone else, I'm happy to supply them the weapons to kill orc.

Ukrainians laundering Biden money, that's an US problem for putting him and his corrupt family in the position to have money to launder. In the mean time, let the Ukes kill some orcs.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by keith
Ukraine = Russian birth control

Kind of like the Iran Iraq war. If both sides lose we win.

Since Russia's demonstrated they have no intention to play nice on the world stage, a weak Russia benefits the U.S. I don't really care who's weakening the Russians, Afghanistan, Chechen's. So long as the bleedings done by someone else, I'm happy to supply them the weapons...


Never woulda had you pegged as a globalist.
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!


I don't mind dumping our military hardware towards the effort. I applaud the fact that Vlad has destroyed his military without a single drop of American blood. This altercation has been a Master Class in modern, low intensity, non-nuclear warfare.

Years ago we were all told terrifying stories of how Russia was going to march across Europe with thousands of tanks and artillery. So much for all that nonsense. Vlad's military looks about as terrifying and capable as the Keystone cops.

All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.
Posted By: Partsman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
At least five other Americans are known to have been killed in the country fighting alongside Ukrainian forces during the ongoing conflict with Russia. Dane Partridge, 34, was killed last month after Russian vehicles ambushed him and others who were clearing trenches in Eastern Ukraine, his sister told CNN.

Me thinks someone does not know much if he thinks no American blood has been spilled.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.

Your head is planted very firmly up yer @$$ so sorry for the attempt to give ya fresh air.
Posted By: longarm Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
I believe there is a 1:1 parity between those who believed all things Covid and those who buy into the 'poor Ukraine' BS.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
The US has invaded around 20 sovereign counties without cause since WW2

?The US just pulled out of Iraq ( again) and Afghanistan spending trillions of dollars with tens of thousands US service members dead and wounded after 20 years. did the US win or get humiliated by small illy quipped third world countries once again?

how many wars have we won?


saliva Amerika!!!!!






Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!


I don't mind dumping our military hardware towards the effort. I applaud the fact that Vlad has destroyed his military without a single drop of American blood. This altercation has been a Master Class in modern, low intensity, non-nuclear warfare.

Years ago we were all told terrifying stories of how Russia was going to march across Europe with thousands of tanks and artillery. So much for all that nonsense. Vlad's military looks about as terrifying and capable as the Keystone cops.

All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Partsman
At least five other Americans are known to have been killed in the country fighting alongside Ukrainian forces during the ongoing conflict with Russia. Dane Partridge, 34, was killed last month after Russian vehicles ambushed him and others who were clearing trenches in Eastern Ukraine, his sister told CNN.

Me thinks someone does not know much if he thinks no American blood has been spilled.

she watches the view for her news
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by ribka
The US has invaded around 20 sovereign counties without cause since WW2

?The US just pulled out of Iraq ( again) and Afghanistan spending trillions of dollars with tens of thousands US service members dead and wounded after 20 years. did the US win or get humiliated by small illy quipped third world countries once again?

how many wars have we won?


saliva Amerika!!!!!






Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!


I don't mind dumping our military hardware towards the effort. I applaud the fact that Vlad has destroyed his military without a single drop of American blood. This altercation has been a Master Class in modern, low intensity, non-nuclear warfare.

Years ago we were all told terrifying stories of how Russia was going to march across Europe with thousands of tanks and artillery. So much for all that nonsense. Vlad's military looks about as terrifying and capable as the Keystone cops.

All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.

Just as importantly the idea that Biden doesn’t know where the money is going is the height of willful ignorance.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

THIS

Putin said he didn't want Ukraine. Fake News said he lied and wanted it all and then was going to go after Europe. So when he accomplished his objective and retreats, the MSM was right. Zelensky kicked his ass. UFR
whistle

When Xi moves on Taiwan and the UN craps, they will be forced to listen to and reveal what Putin obtained from the US Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Maybe invading Ukraine wasn't such a good idea after all.


After all the billions we’ve dumped into it I’d say it’s too late for us to make that decision!!


I don't mind dumping our military hardware towards the effort. I applaud the fact that Vlad has destroyed his military without a single drop of American blood. This altercation has been a Master Class in modern, low intensity, non-nuclear warfare.

Years ago we were all told terrifying stories of how Russia was going to march across Europe with thousands of tanks and artillery. So much for all that nonsense. Vlad's military looks about as terrifying and capable as the Keystone cops.

All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.

Hey, $80 Billion in military equipment to Afghanistan and $80 billion to Ukraine for kickbacks to US Nazi politicians is a great deal and helps grease the wheels of our beloved US Military/Industrial Complex, right?
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
$80 billion to destroy the Russian military, destabilize the country, run Putin into the ground or out of office, rid the country of a batch of cold war generals is not a bad price to pay. As I stated, we got to play war with our new equipment and burn through a bunch of old crap.

We pissed $2.2 trillion in Afghanistan, lost 2,456 American lives there, and achieved exactly fückall. So $80 billion to see Vlad bleed is a bargain.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Hahaha! Yep.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
$80 billion to destroy the Russian military, destabilize the country, run Putin into the ground or out of office, rid the country of a batch of cold war generals is not a bad price to pay. As I stated, we got to play war with our new equipment and burn through a bunch of old crap.

We pissed $2.2 trillion in Afghanistan, lost 2,456 American lives there, and achieved exactly [bleep]. So $80 billion to see Vlad bleed is a bargain.
How's that? What do we gain? Would it have made more sense to have Russia as an ally?
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
The last election sure flushed a bunch of liberals.


I was on to STRSWILSON for a while though.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
$80 billion to destroy the Russian military, destabilize the country, run Putin into the ground or out of office, rid the country of a batch of cold war generals is not a bad price to pay. As I stated, we got to play war with our new equipment and burn through a bunch of old crap.

We pissed $2.2 trillion in Afghanistan, lost 2,456 American lives there, and achieved exactly [bleep]. So $80 billion to see Vlad bleed is a bargain.


Keep chugging the propaganda if you think that money did anything to Vlad or that any of this is going to be over anytime soon.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Russia as an ally?

That's funny...
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia as an ally?

That's funny...
Oil, gas, gold, rare earth minerals, bauxite....

What's funny is your inability to think outside the Deep State narrative.
Posted By: RJY66 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Hahaha! Yep.

Always remember, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. laugh
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Russia steals an estimated $600 billion a year in intellectual property theft from the US.

Great friends indeed.
Posted By: windridge Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot
Posted By: Dutch Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.

Those who live in glass houses……….

On this thread alone, the 1st grade level name calling is 10 to one Putin puffers to those opposing the second Russian invasion of Ukraine.

We can all forgive Jag, ‘cause we all know he’s not right; the rest have no excuse except the fact they are acting like children.
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot
What a zinger.
LOL
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia steals an estimated $600 billion a year in intellectual property theft from the US.

Great friends indeed.

Based on that reasoning we should start carpet Bombing China, India and Israel
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia steals an estimated $600 billion a year in intellectual property theft from the US.

Great friends indeed.


You do realize that a person can recognize Russia isn’t a bosom buddy while at the same time recognizing that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and a Gov that the Biden Family Syndicate has gotten substantial sums of money from.
2 words:

Fück

The ukraine
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
2 words:

Fück

The ukraine

+1

Ha see what I did there
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia steals an estimated $600 billion a year in intellectual property theft from the US.

Great friends indeed.


You do realize that a person can recognize Russia isn’t a bosom buddy while at the same time and a Gov that the Biden Family Syndicate has gotten substantial sums of money from.


You do realize that a person can cheer the destruction of the Russian military while at the same time recognizing that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe. No where will you see me championing the liberation of Ukraine. I'm just happy to see Vlad bleed out his military there.

But make no mistake, the corruption in Ukraine is just beginning. I just hope the Republicans don't get too happy with our tax dollars attempting to "aid" reconstruction. The future of Ukraine is a European problem, not a US problem.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
2 words:

Fück

The ukraine

+1

Ha see what I did there

Lol

I spell it Kiev and Dnieper too. Unlike virtue signalers. wink
"Orc"...

You fugkin retard. What a fugkin clown, right up there with drunken Burns.
Posted By: dassa Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?
People seem to forget that.
Posted By: Northman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
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Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
The US intel agencies would never push Russia to use nuke weapons. That would never happen




Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia steals an estimated $600 billion a year in intellectual property theft from the US.

Great friends indeed.


You do realize that a person can recognize Russia isn’t a bosom buddy while at the same time and a Gov that the Biden Family Syndicate has gotten substantial sums of money from.


You do realize that a person can cheer the destruction of the Russian military while at the same time recognizing that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe. No where will you see me championing the liberation of Ukraine. I'm just happy to see Vlad bleed out his military there.

But make no mistake, the corruption in Ukraine is just beginning. I just hope the Republicans don't get too happy with our tax dollars attempting to "aid" reconstruction. The future of Ukraine is a European problem, not a US problem.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
I could be mistaken, but I think it's far from over. Russia is very reticent about its plans, so it's impossible to know what's going on in Moscow. It's also impossible to know what's going on in the Pentagon.

It will all depend on if the crazies in the U.S. government continue stirring the schitt in Ukraine like they've been doing since 2014.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
But make no mistake, the corruption in Ukraine is just beginning. I just hope the Republicans don't get too happy with our tax dollars attempting to "aid" reconstruction. The future of Ukraine is a European problem, not a US problem.


When has a Rep had a backbone?

The former VP has made it clear that there is no limit to what we’ll spend there and Reps have done nothing at all but express “concern”.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by keith
Ukraine = Russian birth control

Kind of like the Iran Iraq war. If both sides lose we win.

Since Russia's demonstrated they have no intention to play nice on the world stage, a weak Russia benefits the U.S. I don't really care who's weakening the Russians, Afghanistan, Chechen's. So long as the bleedings done by someone else, I'm happy to supply them the weapons...


Never woulda had you pegged as a globalist.

I'm not a globalist in the traditional pejorative manner in which you mean it. Let me remind you, I'm an economist, and to paraphrase Milton Freidman, No system has done more to raise the common man out of poverty than Capitalism coupled with mostly free and fair trade.

I understand simple economic principle such as specialization, division of labor, and Comparative Advantage, the ladder of which escapes most Fire Members. I suspect there's less than a handful who've even heard the name David Ricardo, let alone understand how he demonstrated the benefit of international trade, even when each country can produce both goods traded between them.

So, yes, I'm in favor of an orderly global marketplace because it benefits the U.S. consumer by raising our standard of living.

The more everyone plays nice, the more goods and services available to everyone, including you. War's destroy capital, so fewer wars means more capital stock to produce consumer goods.

Of course orderly global marketplaces don't just happen. They take leadership, and there's only one nations really capable of leading it, and one that I (mostly)trust to lead it, and that's us. So I'm in favor of a orderly global market place to the extent that it's lead by us, benefits us, and everyone else makes their reasonable contribution.

Concerning my views on Russia, I'm an old Cold War Warrior. I served my time in Japan due to it's proximity to the now Former Soviet Union. I was on the front line during it's dissolution and unlike most here I'm not under the illusion that Putin's some kind of benevolent benefactor of the right. He has more in common with Stalin than Trump, and is better at propaganda than either. To me, that's the greatest irony in all of this. All the Q supporters who've fallen for Putin's propaganda as well.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Of course orderly global marketplaces don't just happen. They take leadership, and there's only one nations really capable of leading it, and one that I (mostly)trust to lead it, and that's us.

The people who control America's marketplace gutted its manufacturing base and sold it to the low (wages) bidder.

They looked at what had been built in America following WW2 and saw it as something to harvest.
Posted By: MichiGun Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Falling back across the river actually makes sense. The Russians are having tremendous logistical issues, so holding the city might not have been possible. Add to that its the rainy season, making movement difficult (and the Russians haven't been very good at it so far even when it was dry), they might simply be waiting for the ground to freeze.

If this is an operational pause it gives them time to train the conscripts they called up, bring supplies forward, and get deliveries of fresh weapons from Iran and possibly others.

When they have reconstituted the Russian could attack over the river to the North of the city with the intention of threatening an envelopment that would cause the UKes to fall back.

Still, the Russians seem to lack the prowess to pull it off.
Posted By: Teal Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Of course orderly global marketplaces don't just happen. They take leadership, and there's only one nations really capable of leading it, and one that I (mostly)trust to lead it, and that's us.

The people who control America's marketplace gutted its manufacturing base and sold it to the low (wages) bidder.

They looked at what had been built in America following WW2 and saw it as something to harvest.

Because the people who participate in the American marketplace stood in line at Walmart to get the Chinese made crap for 6 cents cheaper unit price. The guys complaining the loudest about where things come from were also the first in line on Black Friday to get them the cheapest.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
I should have known AS would line up with Houston_2 against this guy.

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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Of course orderly global marketplaces don't just happen. They take leadership, and there's only one nations really capable of leading it, and one that I (mostly)trust to lead it, and that's us.

The people who control America's marketplace gutted its manufacturing base and sold it to the low (wages) bidder.

They looked at what had been built in America following WW2 and saw it as something to harvest.

Because the people who participate in the American marketplace stood in line at Walmart to get the Chinese made crap for 6 cents cheaper unit price. The guys complaining the loudest about where things come from were also the first in line on Black Friday to get them the cheapest.
I bought a toaster at Walmart five years ago for $5.29, not on sale, and it works perfectly. The same thing, made in America, would cost $50.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
All to try and save the NWO Globalization Cabal where Klaus Schwab says they will own all and we will eat bugs and be happy, or else.

You can really pick them, AS


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Posted By: windridge Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.

Hey bot, I shot some of your Russian fathers and uncles back in the 60's. I'd have no problem doing it again.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Russia as an ally?

That's funny...
Oil, gas, gold, rare earth minerals, bauxite....

What's funny is your inability to think outside the Deep State narrative.

You forgot Potash.
Posted By: alpinecrick Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

All of that, plus the Ukes are fighting a war that we would eventually be fighting—be it a proxy war or a direct war.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

All of that, plus the Ukes are fighting a war that we would eventually be fighting—be it a proxy war or a direct war.

You mean “plus we’re now fighting a proxy war…”?

It’s present tense.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I could be mistaken, but I think it's far from over. Russia is very reticent about its plans, so it's impossible to know what's going on in Moscow. It's also impossible to know what's going on in the Pentagon.

It will all depend on if the crazies in the U.S. government continue stirring the schitt in Ukraine like they've been doing since 2014.

I agree that this is far from over. Russia had concentrated 25 to 40,000 of their best equipped, most experiences, most professional troop in the Kherson region. This was a mostly orderly retreat. Although they probably left significant combat power behind which will benefit the Ukes. During the Russian collapse in the north the Ukes gained more equipment from the Russians than all of NATO. This will be another significant equipment transfer, the question is, how significant.

That said, all that preserved combat power will reemerge on the battle field. As to when and where that's a good question.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
All to try and save the NWO Globalization Cabal where Klaus Schwab says they will own all and we will eat bugs and be happy, or else.

You can really pick them, AS


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Ignore everything Soro's says, watch what he does.
Posted By: alpinecrick Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
I don't mind dumping our military hardware towards the effort. I applaud the fact that Vlad has destroyed his military without a single drop of American blood. This altercation has been a Master Class in modern, low intensity, non-nuclear warfare.

Years ago we were all told terrifying stories of how Russia was going to march across Europe with thousands of tanks and artillery. So much for all that nonsense. Vlad's military looks about as terrifying and capable as the Keystone cops.

Exactly. There were a lot of predictions up here on the Boobs & Conspiracy forum about that formidable Russian prowess—as usual they were wrong.

Originally Posted by STRSWilson
All that being said, what I despise is the Biden Administration dumping billions in aid without a clue where it is going. That's nothing short of criminal. But as bad as that is, just wait for the rebuilding of Ukraine. That's when the real corruption begins.

35 years ago President Reagan was pumping a lot of arms and money to radical Islamic tribes in Afghanistan. I wonder if he knew where it was all going? I wonder even more if the current Campfire Conspiracy Theorists objected?
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


Didn’t remember him being a COVTARD but if that’s true it def fits the pattern!

You me BGG & others nailed this VERY early on in this Uketard nonsense
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Time to blow the dam and wash that trash out of Kherson!

Damn you sure love you some genocide.

Funny thing is you're to dumb to know Kherson is on the high bank and blowing the damn would just flood the Orc defenses on the left side and deprive Crimea of water.

Deep thinking is not your jam but you are in love with killing inocent civillians. crazy
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Time to blow the dam and wash that trash out of Kherson!

Damn you sure love you some genocide.

Funny thing is you're to dumb to know Kherson is on the high bank and blowing the damn would just flood the Orc defenses on the left side and deprive Crimea of water.

Deep thinking is not your jam but you are in love with killing inocent civillians. crazy

Hey look, it’s a retard.

LOL
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I could be mistaken, but I think it's far from over. Russia is very reticent about its plans, so it's impossible to know what's going on in Moscow. It's also impossible to know what's going on in the Pentagon.

It will all depend on if the crazies in the U.S. government continue stirring the schitt in Ukraine like they've been doing since 2014.

I agree that this is far from over. Russia had concentrated 25 to 40,000 of their best equipped, most experiences, most professional troop in the Kherson region. This was a mostly orderly retreat. Although they probably left significant combat power behind which will benefit the Ukes. During the Russian collapse in the north the Ukes gained more equipment from the Russians than all of NATO. This will be another significant equipment transfer, the question is, how significant.

That said, all that preserved combat power will reemerge on the battle field. As to when and where that's a good question.

The other side of that card is now Ukraine has the Orcs on the low bank of the river and can shift a lot of experienced and capable forces.

With the Orcs dug in Ukraine arty, PGMs and counter battery arty will just keep smashing them from defilade on the high bank.

It's far from over but Ukraine sure has been doing all the right things to drive a much larger army out of it's land.
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.

Hey bot, I shot some of your Russian fathers and uncles back in the 60's. I'd have no problem doing it again.


I’d be interested in that backstory. Be as general as you need to. But where and for what nation were you serving?
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
$80 billion to destroy the Russian military, destabilize the country, run Putin into the ground or out of office, rid the country of a batch of cold war generals is not a bad price to pay. As I stated, we got to play war with our new equipment and burn through a bunch of old crap.

We pissed $2.2 trillion in Afghanistan, lost 2,456 American lives there, and achieved exactly fückall. So $80 billion to see Vlad bleed is a bargain.


Agreed.
Posted By: add Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/11/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

The non-jabbed passed the covid on?
Posted By: Swamplord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
these retards still exist ? ffs, you'da thunk by now they would have grown a brain

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Posted By: local_dirt Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Borchardt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

Plus, the Ukies are laundering Democrat $, something the Russians steadfastly refuse to do.




That's the reason Mitch and all the rest of those democrat chkunts need to fly over there and talk with zelensky "in person". Wink wink.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.

Hey bot, I shot some of your Russian fathers and uncles back in the 60's. I'd have no problem doing it again.


Gosh, boomer go change your depends. Exactly where did you shoot Russians?

These Zelenskiy threads always draws the trannies and pedophiles

Lmao
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


Didn’t remember him being a COVTARD but if that’s true it def fits the pattern!

You me BGG & others nailed this VERY early on in this Uketard nonsense

I was surprised at the verbiage in the title and original post at first. I disagree with him on many things, but he’s at least historically well thought out and able to debate a topic intelligently. Then I remembered his kungflu bullshît and I wasn’t surprised anymore. He fits the mold.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Swamplord
these retards still exist ? ffs, you'da thunk by now they would have grown a brain

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Attack of the clone troopers
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Ha, it wasn't even tested as to its safety on pregnant women. Now it has an 82% miscarriage rate with them, though the "official" Medical dx is usually some other contributing factor.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Borchardt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

I can oppose the Russian and Biden at the same time. Sure the Ukrainians are not perfect, but between them and the Russians they're the lesser of two evils.

Plus, the Ukies are laundering Democrat $, something the Russians steadfastly refuse to do.




That's the reason Mitch and all the rest of those democrat chkunts need to fly over there and talk with zelensky "in person". Wink wink.

Well, if in fact Zelensky were even over there.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


Didn’t remember him being a COVTARD but if that’s true it def fits the pattern!

You me BGG & others nailed this VERY early on in this Uketard nonsense

I was surprised at the verbiage in the title and original post at first. I disagree with him on many things, but he’s at least historically well thought out and able to debate a topic intelligently. Then I remembered his kungflu bullshît and I wasn’t surprised anymore. He fits the mold.

Let's hear you clearly articulate my position on covid. Be sure and include all the nuance missed by the typical person with black and white, all or none type thinking patterns.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.




I would love to know of anybody on this board who has been exposed to covid more than flave. Lol.
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

The non-jabbed passed the covid on?

I see that reference went right over your head.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Again, you missed the reference.

Now since you seem to know my position on COVID so well, please clearly articulate in all it's nuance.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Ha, it wasn't even tested as to its safety on pregnant women. Now it has an 82% miscarriage rate with them, though the "official" Medical dx is usually some other contributing factor.

82% miscarriage rate, that's interesting.

Please post the peer reviewed study published in a reputable journal.
Posted By: windridge Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.

Hey bot, I shot some of your Russian fathers and uncles back in the 60's. I'd have no problem doing it again.


Gosh, boomer go change your depends. Exactly where did you shoot Russians?

These Zelenskiy threads always draws the trannies and pedophiles

Lmao

Boomer, Trannie, Pedophile

Is that the best you have, bot. You're not a very well programmed bot. You use the same insults with everyone you attack. Poor little second rate bot.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

I would love to know of anybody on this board who has been exposed to covid more than flave. Lol.

Considering all the stuff that hasn't killed him, why would anyone be surprised if he was an asymptomatic carrier?
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


Didn’t remember him being a COVTARD but if that’s true it def fits the pattern!

You me BGG & others nailed this VERY early on in this Uketard nonsense

I was surprised at the verbiage in the title and original post at first. I disagree with him on many things, but he’s at least historically well thought out and able to debate a topic intelligently. Then I remembered his kungflu bullshît and I wasn’t surprised anymore. He fits the mold.

Let's hear you clearly articulate my position on covid. Be sure and include all the nuance missed by the typical person with black and white, all or none type thinking patterns.

If you’ll give me time to find and quote you I’ll be happy to. I can only articulate your position as you made it available to discern by reading your posts.

But aside from hyperbole and jests, it really is a pretty black and white issue.

Mandates were wrong. Both masking, and jabbing. For many reasons that are now evident to all but the willfully blind.

Let’s keep it simple to start. On an economic level, the damage done globally, not just nationally hasn’t even begun to bear fruit. As an economist would you agree with that?

Was it justified? i.e. even given the data at the time, we’re they the right calls to make?
Posted By: luv2safari Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
They were Biden's marching orders from the Chicoms. He's owned and completely compromised. Any token resistance to them is purely for show and a duck n cover.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Swamplord
these retards still exist ? ffs, you'da thunk by now they would have grown a brain

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So ant sniper thought the unproven vax stopped the spread of the virus that constantly mutates? No wonder he worships tranny draft dodgers like Zelenskiy
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

I would love to know of anybody on this board who has been exposed to covid more than flave. Lol.

Considering all the stuff that hasn't killed him, why would anyone be surprised if he was an asymptomatic carrier?

Just to be clear, everyone that took the experimental vax never caught or spread covid?


Ha ha ha ha
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Again, you missed the reference.

Now since you seem to know my position on COVID so well, please clearly articulate in all it's nuance.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


Didn’t remember him being a COVTARD but if that’s true it def fits the pattern!

You me BGG & others nailed this VERY early on in this Uketard nonsense

I was surprised at the verbiage in the title and original post at first. I disagree with him on many things, but he’s at least historically well thought out and able to debate a topic intelligently. Then I remembered his kungflu bullshît and I wasn’t surprised anymore. He fits the mold.

Let's hear you clearly articulate my position on covid. Be sure and include all the nuance missed by the typical person with black and white, all or none type thinking patterns.

If you’ll give me time to find and quote you I’ll be happy to. I can only articulate your position as you made it available to discern by reading your posts.

But aside from hyperbole and jests, it really is a pretty black and white issue.

Mandates were wrong. Both masking, and jabbing. For many reasons that are now evident to all but the willfully blind.

Let’s keep it simple to start. On an economic level, the damage done globally, not just nationally hasn’t even begun to bear fruit. As an economist would you agree with that?

Was it justified? i.e. even given the data at the time, we’re they the right calls to make?

I asked you to clearly articulate my position which you have failed to do. If you don't know the extent of my position then have some dignity and admit that you don't know. In general I believe there's a lot of nuance missed by both sides, and the reactions of both were driven more by their underlying personality traits then any actual data. This is why the mask / no mask split so closely tracked political affiliations. The same personality traits that leads us to one party or the leads to mask / no mask.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Again, you missed the reference.

Now since you seem to know my position on COVID so well, please clearly articulate in all it's nuance.

If that's from your YouTube recommendations, I can only imagine what Pornhub recommends to you.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.

Hey bot, I shot some of your Russian fathers and uncles back in the 60's. I'd have no problem doing it again.


Gosh, boomer go change your depends. Exactly where did you shoot Russians?

These Zelenskiy threads always draws the trannies and pedophiles

Lmao

Boomer, Trannie, Pedophile

Is that the best you have, bot. You're not a very well programmed bot. You use the same insults with everyone you attack. Poor little second rate bot.



How many Russians did you shoot boomer? Where did did you shoot them boomer?


Dementia acting up again?
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.

I would love to know of anybody on this board who has been exposed to covid more than flave. Lol.

Considering all the stuff that hasn't killed him, why would anyone be surprised if he was an asymptomatic carrier?

Just to be clear, everyone that took the experimental vax never caught or spread covid?


Ha ha ha ha

Where have I ever said that?
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?


I can't help it if you killed 20K old people farting in Florida nursing homes. If you'd got you shot maybe you wouldn't have been the Typhoid Mary of Covid.



You do know the jab was not tested as to its efficacy in “slowing the spread” don’t you?

Again, you missed the reference.

Now since you seem to know my position on COVID so well, please clearly articulate in all it's nuance.

If that's from your YouTube recommendations, I can only imagine what Pornhub recommends to you.


Posted By: Swamplord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Another Uke hero is born !

so many heroic pipples out dere in so short a time !



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Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
I kant Breathe..

I kant Breathe ..

I’m laughing so Hard
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
It seemed to me that everything stopped too abruptly.

This sounds like a reasonable summation of what's going on.

Posted By: mtnsnake Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Star links show they're preparing nukes now.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I asked you to clearly articulate my position which you have failed to do. If you don't know the extent of my position then have some dignity and admit that you don't know. In general I believe there's a lot of nuance missed by both sides, and the reactions of both were driven more by their underlying personality traits then any actual data. This is why the mask / no mask split so closely tracked political affiliations. The same personality traits that leads us to one party or the leads to mask / no mask.


Well then counselor, if I have mischaracterized your position please correct me.

Where do you stand on mandates?
a: Jab
b: Mask

Do you still believe in the efficacy of the jab(s)?

Do you still believe that covid was a deadly plague?

I'd appreciate you clarifying so I don't mis-state your position in the future.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by akrange
I kant Breathe..

I kant Breathe ..

I’m laughing so Hard

Sheesh. You caint even spell ca8nt. wink
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It seemed to me that everything stopped too abruptly.

This sounds like a reasonable summation of what's going on.


Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Keep swallowing the horseschitt.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
How many TRUE stories can there be of Ukrainians beating Russia back and shaming their once proud military before there just isn’t a war?

That’s the part that seems so odd to me.

Burns and Toots are here talking about all the victory for Ukraine and how they’re kicking Russian ass but then the war keeps going on.

When will it end if Russia is so hopeless here?
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by akrange
I kant Breathe..

I kant Breathe ..

I’m laughing so Hard

Sheesh. You caint even spell ca8nt. wink


Ankle Bitter ..
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Orcs"

The term reflects a childish understanding of global politics.

More of an insult to the user than the intended target.


when someone never travels more than 50 miles from their place of birth its bound to happen. Funny how easily he laps up Biden propaganda and is proud that he laps up Biden jiz

says the Russian bot


M morons who never even served begging for a nuclear war with Russia.

Go grab your savage 99 and colostomy bag boomer and hop a flight to Kherson and fight the commie Russkiys.



Sounds about right.
🤣
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by efw
How many TRUE stories can there be of Ukrainians beating Russia back and shaming their once proud military before there just isn’t a war?

That’s the part that seems so odd to me.

Burns and Toots are here talking about all the victory for Ukraine and how they’re kicking Russian ass but then the war keeps going on.

When will it end if Russia is so hopeless here?

If you don't know that Ukraine is methodically driving the Orcs from their land you have your head up your azz.

Girls like you are used to a 1 hour resolution just like your favorite TV shows.

War moves a bit slower.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Hahaha. TFF.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by efw
Oh man not you too… toots and burns are understandable but I’ve always respected you as reasonable.

Antelope sniper is a flaming COVTARD.

See the trend?

Absolutely correct.

Now, the covtard liberal is coming out, and he wants ta pretend his bullshit was "nuanced".

Covtard ta the core,

Liberal ta the core.

And now, cuckrainetard ta the core.

What a surprise.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by efw
How many TRUE stories can there be of Ukrainians beating Russia back and shaming their once proud military before there just isn’t a war?

That’s the part that seems so odd to me.

Burns and Toots are here talking about all the victory for Ukraine and how they’re kicking Russian ass but then the war keeps going on.

When will it end if Russia is so hopeless here?

If you don't know that Ukraine is methodically driving the Orcs from their land you have your head up your azz.

Girls like you are used to a 1 hour resolution just like your favorite TV shows.

War moves a bit slower.

So you have no answer.

I’m shocked
Posted By: Swamplord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
This is where I stand ....

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Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.
Posted By: Northman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by efw
So you have no answer.

I’m shocked


So you are not following real news?

But propaganda from Kremlin and Fox?


Russia hasn't advanced since March.. while Ukraine has taken back ALOT of territory.

Granted most of close to 10.000 Russians killed the last two weeks have been conscripts... but there are couple of thousand soldiers as well there.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It seemed to me that everything stopped too abruptly.

This sounds like a reasonable summation of what's going on.


Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Northman
Russia hasn't advanced since March.. while Ukraine has taken back ALOT of territory.
Russia has taken Bahkmut.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.

Pretty much agree but nobody figured on the fighting spirit of the Ukraine and the corruption of the Orcs.

That and there won't be US boots doing any fighting. Ukraine has that handled.

If ethnic Russians want to leave Kherson or any where else in Ukraine they should leave. After this war is over there will always be a buring hatred for the invaders and any who supported them.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Northman
Russia hasn't advanced since March.. while Ukraine has taken back ALOT of territory.
Russia has taken Bahkmut.

Bullschiet.

Damn you're dumb.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
LOL! Hey Johnny Gutshot!

Who will you declare as winner if Russia keeps the majority of Lugansk, Donetsk and Crimea?
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Posted By: RHutch Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
^^^^^^ LOFL!!!
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.

Pretty much agree but nobody figured on the fighting spirit of the Ukraine and the corruption of the Orcs.

That and there won't be US boots doing any fighting. Ukraine has that handled.

If ethnic Russians want to leave Kherson or any where else in Ukraine they should leave. After this war is over there will always be a buring hatred for the invaders and any who supported them.

Hahaha. Tff. Straight out of MSNBC
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Johnny Gutshot, your take on this war is about as good as your wind & elevation calls.

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Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.

I think it's far more likely that Macgregor just doesn't like the crazies who control the U.S. government.

It's a very common opinion of people on the right.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Johnny Gutshot, your take on this war is about as good as your wind & elevation calls.

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Burns’ mouth sure does look purty.

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Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.

I think that’s the point.

Name another war that could better feed the MIC of our country and make a statement against the post war consensus of US as sole power broker than this one?

We’ll be there forever, or at least till our currency is worthless and our military tech outdated.

That’s what our ruling elites have planned for us in Ukraine.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Johnny Gutshot, your take on this war is about as good as your wind & elevation calls.

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Wow.

That's a pretty decent bull.
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
He use to carry his Banjo in a Gunnysack..
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Who will you declare as winner if Russia keeps the majority of Lugansk, Donetsk and Crimea?


Considering a “world power” originally tried to take over the whole damn place, I’d say Ukraine won.
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by efw
We’ll be there forever, or at least till our currency is worthless and our military tech outdated.

War tends to advance military technology, not stagnate it.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Considering a “world power” originally tried to take over the whole damn place, I’d say Ukraine won.

It's just getting started over there.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.


Russia WAS a world power. Yes, Ukraine is corrupt. On the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index, Ukraine scores 32, and ranks as the 122nd least corrupt country in the world, between the Philippines and Mexico. Russia scores 29. 136th in the world between Mali and Myanmar. In other words, Russia is even MORE corrupt than Ukraine. If corruption is your benchmark for good vs. evil, Ukraine Good, Russia Evil.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021/index/tur

The once great Soviet Union crumbled in 1991, and along with it, Russian military power. In 1991 The Russian's were broke. They had no budget for maintenance, fuel, training, nor the ability to pay their troops.

Toward the end of The Cold War the Soviet Union has about 120 Motorized Rifle Divisions (MRD) and 70 tank Divisions. Over 80 of those MRD's were either transferred to other countries during the Soviet Collapse, or subsequently disbanded, reduced to a training base, reduced to storage base etc. The tank divisions got hit even harder with 90% going away. In other words if we just look at the number of division they lost 3/4 of the their combat power. Now multiple this across all branches.

But that's just the beginning of the decline of Former Soviet power. In the last 1980's the Soviets had 16 Military Districts (MD), each with multiple numbered Armies. An Army typically constituted 4 to 6 division depending on mission needs. After the break up Russia was down to 9 MD's. Putin took power in 2000, and the following year he reorganized the Russian military into 7 MD's each with a single Army, and each of those with only a single Class A Division. All of which were MRDs.

Class A divisions are their fully equipped combat ready divisions. Often, but not always, there are designated as "Guards" divisions. The typical MRD has just over 10,000 men. So, 7 MRD's plus a few naval infantry brigades, and you maybe get 100K "combat ready" soldiers across the entire Russian Army. In other words, Russia basically threw ALL of their ready combat power at the Ukraine on day one, and still had to dip into their B division to reach the 125K or so troops in their opening onslaught, and it stalled.

And you ask why?

What replaced Marxism Russian wasn't Capitalism, but a Kleptocracy, best captured in this clip from Lord of War.



Yes, it really was that bad.

and all the equipment not stolen, and "put into storage", was largely left to rust.






Now let's see how that impact an army, and how something as simple as Putin's cronies buying cheap tires and pocketing the difference may have cost them an early Victory when they failed to take Kyiv:





Multiple this across the entire Russian procurement system, and repeat at every level for 30 years.

Lead it a bunch of drunk kleptocrats promoted based whos the least likely to kill Putin, and go start a war with this mess of a military on someone else's home turf, have your international banking shut down, along with most of your trade and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.

I think it's far more likely that Macgregor just doesn't like the crazies who control the U.S. government.

It's a very common opinion of people on the right.

I'm not fan either, but not supporting Biden doesn't mean you must support Russia.
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Star links show they're preparing nukes now.

Got a source for that, or are you a bot too?
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Antelope sniper,

I really miss your COVID updates.

LOL

You dumb kghubt.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Morris is a retard and has been spouting Orc agitprop for the entire war.

Always wrong but never in doubt.

I guess we'll see eventually.

But the whole concept of Ukraine defeating Russia has always seemed very shaky to me. Russia is a world power. Ukraine is basically a failed state.

Of course, Ukraine is getting tons of support from the U.S. Government. But it's not going to be enough by itself. Ukraine will need a U.S. coalition of troops on the ground if Russia decides to pull out all the stops.

If Russia is indeed working to evacuate ethnic Russians out of Kherson (and reports seem to indicate that that's the case) it's a bad sign for Ukraine.

I think that’s the point.

Name another war that could better feed the MIC of our country and make a statement against the post war consensus of US as sole power broker than this one?

We’ll be there forever, or at least till our currency is worthless and our military tech outdated.

That’s what our ruling elites have planned for us in Ukraine.

Have you been paying attention to the dollar?

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More on the Russians leaving Kherson.
Not Russian advances in the region after the first 3 weeks of the war, only backwards since than.

Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Have you been paying attention to the dollar?

I've been paying attention to the cost of a pound of hamburger.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.

I think it's far more likely that Macgregor just doesn't like the crazies who control the U.S. government.

It's a very common opinion of people on the right.

I'm not fan either, but not supporting Biden doesn't mean you must support Russia.

Irony you cold bitch
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
please translate that for me moron lol

what a dumb clown show

Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by efw
So you have no answer.

I’m shocked


So you are not following real news?

But propaganda from Kremlin and Fox?


Russia hasn't advanced since March.. while Ukraine has taken back ALOT of territory.

Granted most of close to 10.000 Russians killed the last two weeks have been conscripts... but there are couple of thousand soldiers as well there.


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Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
More on the Russians leaving Kherson.
Not Russian advances in the region after the first 3 weeks of the war, only backwards since than.



where is this paid propaganda from? Biden ? Clinton?

Have you ever left Colorado?

lmao
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Johnny Gutshot, your take on this war is about as good as your wind & elevation calls.

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a 12 k rifle scope combo to phug up a shot at 125 yards. no wonder burns bankrupted two businesses
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.

I think it's far more likely that Macgregor just doesn't like the crazies who control the U.S. government.

It's a very common opinion of people on the right.

I'm not fan either, but not supporting Biden doesn't mean you must support Russia.

You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Russia used conscripts, Wagner and sundry other’s not officially military to conduct this “special military operation” so while I don’t have anything to dispute your figures on post Cold War Russian military assets and the subsequent reorganization of their military I do think that your assumption that this was executed by mostly Russian military is not accurate. Putin also had some brown nosing despots throw their “army” into it.

I don’t shed a single tear seeing Russia get their ass handed to them, I just want to stop paying for it. I also don’t much care about Ukraine and am as dispassionate about this, on the geopolitical scale not the humanitarian scale, as one can be. If they fought to each country’s last soldier I still couldn’t care less…it’s like the gang wars in the cities that rage nightly..don’t care. I care when it impacts me and mine and paying billions of extorted “excess” tax dollars is unacceptable!
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
More on the Russians leaving Kherson.
Not Russian advances in the region after the first 3 weeks of the war, only backwards since than.


your worship of Biden and the deep state is well noted on here

get your 8th booster shot brain dead covtard. lmao
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when. it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.

Macgregor is a full blown idiot liar.

He has been wrong for the entire war and if you don't know that you are also an idiot.

The azzhat Macgregor has a record for all to see of always being wrong but never in doubt.

That lying doushe said the Orcs would win in 10 days and has continously doubled down on his Orc azz kisssing and lying.

The dumb schiet some of you belive because it's on YouTube even when the facts are easy to see. crazy
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
GOD has revealed the truth about a couple of previously considered intellectual guys, Rib. Sad.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when. it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.

Macgregor is a full blown idiot liar.

He has been wrong for the entire war and if you don't know that you are also an idiot.

The azzhat Macgregor has a record for all to see of always being wrong but never in doubt.

That lying doushe said the Orcs would win in 10 days and has continously doubled down on his Orc azz kisssing and lying.

The dumb schiet some of you belive because it's on YouTube even when the facts are easy to see. crazy

You seriously don't have a clue about anything that's going on in the world.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when. it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.

Macgregor is a full blown idiot liar.

He has been wrong for the entire war and if you don't know that you are also an idiot.

The azzhat Macgregor has a record for all to see of always being wrong but never in doubt.

That lying doushe said the Orcs would win in 10 days and has continously doubled down on his Orc azz kisssing and lying.

The dumb schiet some of you belive because it's on YouTube even when the facts are easy to see. crazy

You seriously don't have a clue about anything that's going on in the world.

Yet my predictions are perfect.

Every damn time. wink
Originally Posted by deflave
Antelope sniper,

I really miss your COVID updates.

LOL

You dumb kghubt.

I didn't know you could read such big words. Did you finally make it to level R books?
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Macgregor's not exactly non-biased, and more than a bit of a Russia lover.

I think it's far more likely that Macgregor just doesn't like the crazies who control the U.S. government.

It's a very common opinion of people on the right.

I'm not fan either, but not supporting Biden doesn't mean you must support Russia.

You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.

No, I pointed out the fact that he has a bias, just the like they gun in the last video I posted who lives in Nikolaev has a bias, both of which need to be taken into account. Parts of what he said I agree with. He gave a very conservative estimate of the Russian combat strength withdrawn from the area, and Russians have a long history of waiting for winter to freeze the ground and favor their tanks in combat operations. But he misrepresented the ethnic composition of Kherson which according to the last census is 76.6% Ukrainian and only 20% Russian. When we look at video today from Kherson, the cities far from empty.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Bristoe
You said that retired Colonel Macgregor is "more than a bit of a Russian lover".

That's exactly the same rhetorical tactic the left uses when. it wants to shut down the ability of someone to have an opinion,....as in, "Trump supporters are white supremacists".

I don't trust anyone who uses that tactic. They're fundamentally dishonest. I've been seeing a lot of it from some people on here lately.

They label themselves when they do that.

Macgregor is a full blown idiot liar.

He has been wrong for the entire war and if you don't know that you are also an idiot.

The azzhat Macgregor has a record for all to see of always being wrong but never in doubt.

That lying doushe said the Orcs would win in 10 days and has continously doubled down on his Orc azz kisssing and lying.

The dumb schiet some of you belive because it's on YouTube even when the facts are easy to see. crazy

You seriously don't have a clue about anything that's going on in the world.

Yet my predictions are perfect.

Every damn time. wink

😁
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
^^^

The last simple smiley sent the morons into an estrogen fueled meltdown

😂😂😂
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Considering a “world power” originally tried to take over the whole damn place, I’d say Ukraine won.

It's just getting started over there.


Is it?

How long have you been saying that?
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Shameful.

Fugging heros would love Obama back in power.
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Shameful.

Fugging heros would love Obama back in power.

What the fugk does that have to do with it?
Posted By: Swamplord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Shameful.

Fugging heros would love Obama back in power.

What the fugk does that have to do with it?



aaaaand there ya have it !

another obama lover outed himself ...

oh how testy they get when their lil' bleck phag Diety is mentioned, fkn retards
Posted By: Swamplord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
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Posted By: UltraMAGA Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Swamplord
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Thats really good!
Posted By: Northman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
This is why some Russian members here on this forum, down know what the hell they are talking about...
And keep hating on Ukraine...

Russians in Russia are not even getting the truth from their government... and they risk jail for trying to do so.


Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Once again you guys chose the wrong side. Thats always the caase when you lean on your own understanding.

What was it, the drugs, pedophilia, sex trafficking or just the hate of JESUS CHRIST.
You chose the wrong side.

GOD WINS.


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Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
You chose this team. Go figure.

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Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Swamplord
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Yep.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I didn't know you could read such big words. Did you finally make it to level R books?

You was all scared of the COVID farts at Home Depot.

LOL

But everyone else is the dummy, right?
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Shameful.

Fugging heros would love Obama back in power.

What the fugk does that have to do with it?

Does Zalisky need another billion?


The War Party Marches on.....
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Me hacked?

The "Libertarians" love the war machine now?
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I didn't know you could read such big words. Did you finally make it to level R books?

You was all scared of the COVID farts at Home Depot.

LOL

But everyone else is the dummy, right?

Come on Flave, your farts were killing people before Covid.

But don't worry. We're safe here in Colorado. Our governor passed a decree requiring butt masks on all livestock and all dogs in dog parks and home depot, so we'll be safe from Covid Farts. Governor Santos well call you this after noon with a new special assignment. They need someone to butt-mask all the gators in Florida. New research indicates gator farts are even more deadly than cow farts, but thanks to your efforts, I'm confident we'll many new Florida Man stories for decades to come.
Posted By: hosfly Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
I for one am glad that the taxes I'm glad to pay(30k per yr) is being sent to a schithole country,I dontcare about,to launder funds and send it to elites back here in the states,to rape our constitution and corrupt our rights,indoctronate our kids,etc... instead of helping our veterans,improving our infastucture,protecting our borders,an improving the overall life of Americans,,, but russia bad,, mean ol people,, werent for them sticking their nose in our business, England would have won the revolt in the colonies,,,
Originally Posted by hosfly
I for one am glad that the taxes I'm glad to pay(30k per yr) is being sent to a schithole country,I dontcare about,to launder funds and send it to elites back here in the states,to rape our constitution and corrupt our rights,indoctronate our kids,etc... instead of helping our veterans,improving our infastucture,protecting our borders,an improving the overall life of Americans,,, but russia bad,, mean ol people,, werent for them sticking their nose in our business, England would have won the revolt in the colonies,,,

And Russia was key in the defeat of Nazi Germany, but that didn't stop the Cold War.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Come on Flave, your farts were killing people before Covid.

But don't worry. We're safe here in Colorado. Our governor passed a decree requiring butt masks on all livestock and all dogs in dog parks and home depot, so we'll be safe from Covid Farts. Governor Santos well call you this after noon with a new special assignment. They need someone to butt-mask all the gators in Florida. New research indicates gator farts are even more deadly than cow farts, but thanks to your efforts, I'm confident we'll many new Florida Man stories for decades to come.

I think it’s time people like yourself at least try to think for yourself.

That’s all I ask.

Try.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by hosfly
I for one am glad that the taxes I'm glad to pay(30k per yr) is being sent to a schithole country,I dontcare about,to launder funds and send it to elites back here in the states,to rape our constitution and corrupt our rights,indoctronate our kids,etc... instead of helping our veterans,improving our infastucture,protecting our borders,an improving the overall life of Americans,,, but russia bad,, mean ol people,, werent for them sticking their nose in our business, England would have won the revolt in the colonies,,,

And Russia was key in the defeat of Nazi Germany, but that didn't stop the Cold War.

Now he’s a student of history.

LOL
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by hosfly
I for one am glad that the taxes I'm glad to pay(30k per yr) is being sent to a schithole country,I dontcare about,to launder funds and send it to elites back here in the states,to rape our constitution and corrupt our rights,indoctronate our kids,etc... instead of helping our veterans,improving our infastucture,protecting our borders,an improving the overall life of Americans,,, but russia bad,, mean ol people,, werent for them sticking their nose in our business, England would have won the revolt in the colonies,,,

And Russia was key in the defeat of Nazi Germany, but that didn't stop the Cold War.
^^^^
Went and hid for four months in Covtard shame. We didn’t forget about your Covtard mentality .
Posted By: Switch Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
It won't be long until we, the tax payer. will have to start paying to rebuild for the Ukraine.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Me hacked?

The "Libertarians" love the war machine now?

Cool, it is you.

War with Russia is nothing new. We've been in a near continuous series of proxy wars with Russia since 9 May 1945. This one's just big enough it actually made the news.

The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism. Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox. You may not understand the benefits of global trade, but it makes your life better, much better, and I've already posted on specialization and the division of labor and comparative advantage in this thread.

Besides, if your wife ever leaves you, where you going to find a new one? Not in ND, but don't worry, I'll have a deal for you a new newer model from Ukraine.
Posted By: super T Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Here's a question: IF Mexico decides it wants all the territory back that it lost after the Mexican/American War with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Remember, Mexico lost more than half of its territory by the treaty's terms. And, Russia and China spend billions to supply arms and equipment to help them, what should our response be?
Originally Posted by Switch
It won't be long until we, the tax payer. will have to start paying to rebuild for the Ukraine.
This makes Dick Cheney very happy
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Me hacked?

The "Libertarians" love the war machine now?

Cool, it is you.

War with Russia is nothing new. We've been in a near continuous series of proxy wars with Russia since 9 May 1945. This one's just big enough it actually made the news.

The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism. Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox. You may not understand the benefits of global trade, but it makes your life better, much better, and I've already posted on specialization and the division of labor and comparative advantage in this thread.

Besides, if your wife ever leaves you, where you going to find a new one? Not in ND, but don't worry, I'll have a deal for you a new newer model from Ukraine.

Russia entering Ukraine WAS the plan.


You guys are being deliberately obtuse.
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox.

Can you explain that?

How was it "our sandbox" regarding trade? And what was the "[bleep]" part?

Had the world done nothing about Putin's adventurism in Ukraine, he would have either installed a puppet, or annexed it, but either way, the goods would still have flowed. He wants to sell, we want to buy. Trade would be the same, but geopolitics would not.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Adventurism......


Is that like promising not to expand NATO to the east?



Fuggking dummies!
Posted By: STRSWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
So we should just encourage China to take Taiwan so that goods will continue to flow?

Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
So we should just encourage China to take Taiwan so that goods will continue to flow?

Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

Well...you are a concern troll and a liberal....so we don't care what you see.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

I guess this means you don’t like the “Eep Op Ork”
Song


🥲
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
So we should just encourage China to take Taiwan so that goods will continue to flow?

Taiwan will eventually rejoin with China, anyway. The west is folding in on itself while Asia is ascending.

,...and blood is thicker than water.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

I guess this means you don’t like the “Eep Op Ork”
Song


🥲

No, it means you’re a stupid person.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

I guess this means you don’t like the “Eep Op Ork”
Song


🥲

No, it means you’re a stupid person.

Eep opp Ork!
Posted By: Jcubed Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

I guess this means you don’t like the “Eep Op Ork”
Song


🥲

No, it means you’re a stupid person.

Eep opp Ork!

But does 'flave love you too?
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
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Eep Opp Ork!!!
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

I guess this means you don’t like the “Eep Op Ork”
Song


🥲

No, it means you’re a stupid person.

Eep opp Ork!

But does 'flave love you too?

Of course
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”
.


Nazi talk

Facists all over
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

The 'fire's been improved, by exposing even more of the socialist liberals tryin ta pass as normal.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Here let’s try this:

Antelope sniper,

How has my condition as an American improved by our involvement in Ukraine?
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
I’d ask muglia but he’s only here to defend Burns’ honor.

LOL
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism.
No, it's based on bribery and coercion through military occupation. Ain't nothing "free" about it except the funny money the Federal Reserve prints.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
I’d ask muglia but he’s only here to defend Burns’ honor.

LOL

Eep Opp ORK ❤️
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
I’d ask muglia but he’s only here to defend Burns’ honor.

LOL

Abbott/Costello

Laurel/Hardy

Martin/Lewis

Tater head/clamuglia
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Here let’s try this:

Antelope sniper,

How has my condition as an American improved by our involvement in Ukraine?


Ask not what your country can do for you

Ask what you can do for the global cabal of child rapists
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by deflave
I’d ask muglia but he’s only here to defend Burns’ honor.

LOL

Abbott/Costello

Laurel/Hardy

Martin/Lewis

Tater head/clamuglia

BBC/Your mouth

LOL
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
BBC/Your mouth

LOL

BBC and mouth, always on your mind.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Putin's Pufters sure have sandy VJs with all the Orc slaying. grin

Who saw that coming?

The WIZARD. laugh
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
BBC/Your mouth

LOL

BBC and mouth, always on your mind.


What fubar sees in the night sky


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Posted By: Northman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
+ number is last 24 hours.

And Ukraine has taken back 1/2 of all the territory Russia occupied.

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Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
HORRIBLE - DO NO TRUST THE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

I cannot believe the positive reviews for this restaurant as the food was absolutely horrible. We ordered two meals for take-out this evening. Our first choice was a full serving of the white clam sauce with pasta. It was served with an enormous amount of tasteless pasta with 6 tiny little neck clams placed on top (we'd never seen such small little necks before). The mini little necks were over-cooked (they appeared to have been once too much re-heated). There was not even an attempt to create a white clam sauce; it was a pile of mushy over-cooked salted pasta with not even a hint of clam flavor. We had to toss out the entire meal. Had we ordered while dining inside we would have refused the order. This was possibly the worst single meal I have ever received from a restaurant in my 63 years.

Our second choice was the eggplant full order with pasta. Again, the pasta was not fresh. It was mushy and over-cooked. The eggplant was edible but not good. The sauce wasn't bad but with the mushy pasta it was unappealing.

We've eaten in most Italian restaurants in Albuquerque and this in our opinion rates at the bottom. The Olive Garden even blows it away.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
HORRIBLE - DO NO TRUST THE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

I cannot believe the positive reviews for this restaurant as the food was absolutely horrible. We ordered two meals for take-out this evening. Our first choice was a full serving of the white clam sauce with pasta. It was served with an enormous amount of tasteless pasta with 6 tiny little neck clams placed on top (we'd never seen such small little necks before). The mini little necks were over-cooked (they appeared to have been once too much re-heated). There was not even an attempt to create a white clam sauce; it was a pile of mushy over-cooked salted pasta with not even a hint of clam flavor. We had to toss out the entire meal. Had we ordered while dining inside we would have refused the order. This was possibly the worst single meal I have ever received from a restaurant in my 63 years.

Our second choice was the eggplant full order with pasta. Again, the pasta was not fresh. It was mushy and over-cooked. The eggplant was edible but not good. The sauce wasn't bad but with the mushy pasta it was unappealing.

We've eaten in most Italian restaurants in Albuquerque and this in our opinion rates at the bottom. The Olive Garden even blows it away.



They just don’t like “Black Olives Matter”

LOL
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.


Always trying to win guys like you over

LOL
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.

Originally Posted by Fubarski
HORRIBLE - DO NO TRUST THE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

I cannot believe the positive reviews for this restaurant as the food was absolutely horrible. We ordered two meals for take-out this evening. Our first choice was a full serving of the white clam sauce with pasta. It was served with an enormous amount of tasteless pasta with 6 tiny little neck clams placed on top (we'd never seen such small little necks before). The mini little necks were over-cooked (they appeared to have been once too much re-heated). There was not even an attempt to create a white clam sauce; it was a pile of mushy over-cooked salted pasta with not even a hint of clam flavor. We had to toss out the entire meal. Had we ordered while dining inside we would have refused the order. This was possibly the worst single meal I have ever received from a restaurant in my 63 years.

Our second choice was the eggplant full order with pasta. Again, the pasta was not fresh. It was mushy and over-cooked. The eggplant was edible but not good. The sauce wasn't bad but with the mushy pasta it was unappealing.

We've eaten in most Italian restaurants in Albuquerque and this in our opinion rates at the bottom. The Olive Garden even blows it away.

There’s Italian food in Albuquerque?

LOL

I’d love to see that.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by Fubarski
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.


Always trying to win guys like you over

LOL

Ever get lucky, on the 'fire?
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Fubarski
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.

Originally Posted by Fubarski
HORRIBLE - DO NO TRUST THE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

I cannot believe the positive reviews for this restaurant as the food was absolutely horrible. We ordered two meals for take-out this evening. Our first choice was a full serving of the white clam sauce with pasta. It was served with an enormous amount of tasteless pasta with 6 tiny little neck clams placed on top (we'd never seen such small little necks before). The mini little necks were over-cooked (they appeared to have been once too much re-heated). There was not even an attempt to create a white clam sauce; it was a pile of mushy over-cooked salted pasta with not even a hint of clam flavor. We had to toss out the entire meal. Had we ordered while dining inside we would have refused the order. This was possibly the worst single meal I have ever received from a restaurant in my 63 years.

Our second choice was the eggplant full order with pasta. Again, the pasta was not fresh. It was mushy and over-cooked. The eggplant was edible but not good. The sauce wasn't bad but with the mushy pasta it was unappealing.

We've eaten in most Italian restaurants in Albuquerque and this in our opinion rates at the bottom. The Olive Garden even blows it away.

There’s Italian food in Albuquerque?

LOL

I’d love to see that.


Here was the last dinner special we ran last week


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


On request by a group from Harve
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
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Ha it’s imbedded in yer mind


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Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
What's it feel like, ta be gifted/trusted with the family business, only ta run it inta the ground?

Postin your experience may help others goin through the same thing.
Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Fubarski
With the shtload a crappy reviews the place gets, no wonder ya gotta try and get gay business.

Originally Posted by Fubarski
HORRIBLE - DO NO TRUST THE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

I cannot believe the positive reviews for this restaurant as the food was absolutely horrible. We ordered two meals for take-out this evening. Our first choice was a full serving of the white clam sauce with pasta. It was served with an enormous amount of tasteless pasta with 6 tiny little neck clams placed on top (we'd never seen such small little necks before). The mini little necks were over-cooked (they appeared to have been once too much re-heated). There was not even an attempt to create a white clam sauce; it was a pile of mushy over-cooked salted pasta with not even a hint of clam flavor. We had to toss out the entire meal. Had we ordered while dining inside we would have refused the order. This was possibly the worst single meal I have ever received from a restaurant in my 63 years.

Our second choice was the eggplant full order with pasta. Again, the pasta was not fresh. It was mushy and over-cooked. The eggplant was edible but not good. The sauce wasn't bad but with the mushy pasta it was unappealing.

We've eaten in most Italian restaurants in Albuquerque and this in our opinion rates at the bottom. The Olive Garden even blows it away.

There’s Italian food in Albuquerque?

LOL

I’d love to see that.


And apparently, a vibrant LGBTQ community. I never saw that on Breaking Bad.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
What's it feel like, ta be gifted/trusted with the family business, only ta run it inta the ground?

Postin your experience may help others goin through the same thing.

That sandy coochie of your's is really hurting with the slay fest Ukraine is doing to the Orcs.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Burns is still a fág.....and still incorrect on everything Ukraine and US foreign policy.


But at least he is consistent.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Burns is still a fág.....and still incorrect on everything Ukraine and US foreign policy.


But at least he is consistent.

You are batting .250.

That's a nice improvement.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Fubarski
What's it feel like, ta be gifted/trusted with the family business, only ta run it inta the ground?

Postin your experience may help others goin through the same thing.

That sandy coochie of your's is really hurting with the slay fest Ukraine is doing to the Orcs.

Didn't mean ta upset ya.

You didn't take over a family business that I'm aware, but ya managed ta run 3 of em outta business.

You is way more qualified than the clam, he only did 1.

Feel free ta share what it's like ta hafta run your life's occupation outta the back room of a real business, located in the prime area of town, between the pawn shop and the tattoo parlor.

Your location must get a lotta exposure from that kinda traffic.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Burns is still a fág.....and still incorrect on everything Ukraine and US foreign policy.


But at least he is consistent.

You are batting .250.

That's a nice improvement.
I'll bet yer passed out drunk by 2PM mountain time.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
On request by a group from Harve

One of the best pizzas money can buy is made in Havre.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
On request by a group from Harve

One of the best pizzas money can buy is made in Havre.
Do they deliver to Minnesota?

I ain't got schit round here.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Didn't mean ta upset ya.

You didn't take over a family business that I'm aware, but ya managed ta run 3 of em outta business.

You is way more qualified than the clam, he only did 1.

Feel free ta share what it's like ta hafta run your life's occupation outta the back room of a real business, located in the prime area of town, between the pawn shop and the tattoo parlor.

Your location must get a lotta exposure from that kinda traffic.

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Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
On request by a group from Harve

One of the best pizzas money can buy is made in Havre.
Do they deliver to Minnesota?

I ain't got schit round here.

You live anywhere near Blaine?
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by hosfly
I for one am glad that the taxes I'm glad to pay(30k per yr) is being sent to a schithole country,I dontcare about,to launder funds and send it to elites back here in the states,to rape our constitution and corrupt our rights,indoctronate our kids,etc... instead of helping our veterans,improving our infastucture,protecting our borders,an improving the overall life of Americans,,, but russia bad,, mean ol people,, werent for them sticking their nose in our business, England would have won the revolt in the colonies,,,

Well, there is that, but hey, we are the richest country in the world.

Nice to see you on again, hoss.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
On request by a group from Harve

One of the best pizzas money can buy is made in Havre.


There are dominoes all over the place dude. Not just Havre.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
What's it feel like, ta be gifted/trusted with the family business, only ta run it inta the ground?

Postin your experience may help others goin through the same thing.

I’ll go on record I think this kind of post is dogshît.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Burns is still a fág.....and still incorrect on everything Ukraine and US foreign policy.


But at least he is consistent.

Well, there is that.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
On request by a group from Harve

One of the best pizzas money can buy is made in Havre.


There are dominoes all over the place dude. Not just Havre.

Hahaha.
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox.

Can you explain that?

How was it "our sandbox" regarding trade? And what was the "[bleep]" part?

Had the world done nothing about Putin's adventurism in Ukraine, he would have either installed a puppet, or annexed it, but either way, the goods would still have flowed. He wants to sell, we want to buy. Trade would be the same, but geopolitics would not.

Such short memories.

Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
The problem from my perspective is that I’ve lost the faith you seem to hold unquestioningly to if you’re going to draw that historical parallel, and that is that our governing elites are the good guys (England) and not the bad guys (Germany).

My sense is that those here who served in the military during the Cold War haven’t appropriately grappled with that question.

Over the past few years I’ve seen the deceptiveness and ways that I’ve been drug into this whole thing and found it pretty distressing.

Our ruling elites are the bad guys on the global stage. By that I mean our government and the oligarchs who control the companies that the government uses to keep us placated.

Your position assumes that those people all of a sudden are doing the right thing in Ukraine.

That to me is insane, ignorant, or evil.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox.

Can you explain that?

How was it "our sandbox" regarding trade? And what was the "[bleep]" part?

Had the world done nothing about Putin's adventurism in Ukraine, he would have either installed a puppet, or annexed it, but either way, the goods would still have flowed. He wants to sell, we want to buy. Trade would be the same, but geopolitics would not.

Such short memories.


LMFAO.

Go get your booster, retard.
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
So we should just encourage China to take Taiwan so that goods will continue to flow?


Hell no.

Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Anybody that thinks what this administration is doing in Ukraine is for the military, strategic, benefit of the United States is a flat fugking idiot.

And you're the same fugking idiots that believe a cold can be vaccinated.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by plumbum
Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.
Then why are we giving arms & money to Ukraine?
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by efw
Our ruling elites are the bad guys on the global stage. By that I mean our government and the oligarchs who control the companies that the government uses to keep us placated.

The only bad guys?

They are all cut from the same cloth. Ours are no worse than theirs.

But our system is better. So far.
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?
JFC
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?

Sure thing, Karine.

Get your booster, Karine.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
So we should just encourage China to take Taiwan so that goods will continue to flow?


Hell no.

Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.

Allowing a belligerent nation to invade it's neighbors to steal land and resource is a free trade issue.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?


JFC

Unbelievable how stupid America's occupants have become.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Allowing a belligerent nation to invade it's neighbors to steal land and resource is a free trade issue.

LMAO
Posted By: MrWilson Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
opened this thinking it was about the lord of the rings or something !
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism.
No, it's based on bribery and coercion through military occupation. Ain't nothing "free" about it except the funny money the Federal Reserve prints.

You're not completely wrong. Fear of Russian had a lot to do with it. We were on the way out of European affairs, reducing our military presence etc., until Russia stirred things up again pushing even more nations toward NATO.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?


What the fûck do I Joe Sixpack owe the fàggot and his ministers in Kiev? I know what Biden, Romney, et al owe them, at least partially.

I hope that whole fûcking country burns until they overthrow the crossdresser and install a legit government. Till then, I hope Russia burns it to the ground.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Every American should be asking:

“What has improved since we we became involved with Ukraine.”

That’s what free thinking is. What Burns, magluia, and antelope sniper do is parrot the words of Karine Jean-Pierre.

Because they’re stupid.

Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?


JFC

Unbelievable how stupid America's occupants have become.

I find it interesting how you didn't give a direct answer to the question.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism.
No, it's based on bribery and coercion through military occupation. Ain't nothing "free" about it except the funny money the Federal Reserve prints.

You're not completely wrong. Fear of Russian had a lot to do with it. We were on the way out of European affairs, reducing our military presence etc., until Russia stirred things up again pushing even more nations toward NATO.
And Russia was going to leave Ukraine alone until the United States fomented a couple coups in the Ukraine.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
You're not completely wrong. Fear of Russian had a lot to do with it. We were on the way out of European affairs, reducing our military presence etc., until Russia stirred things up again pushing even more nations toward NATO.

Oh fugking Jesus Christ.

How old are you? Three?
Posted By: NoDak Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Someone say money laundering. Sorry if already posted but a good read.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...eme-running-dollars-politicians-ukraine/
Posted By: gunchamp Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
$80 billion to destroy the Russian military, destabilize the country, run Putin into the ground or out of office, rid the country of a batch of cold war generals is not a bad price to pay. As I stated, we got to play war with our new equipment and burn through a bunch of old crap.

We pissed $2.2 trillion in Afghanistan, lost 2,456 American lives there, and achieved exactly fückall. So $80 billion to see Vlad bleed is a bargain.
You are wrong on literally everything. Your no different than your hero biden
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
The U.S is an Empire, not in the traditional sense, but we are a trading empire, much like the British Empire but one based on capitalism and the willing free flowing exchange of goods vs. one based on Mercantilism.
No, it's based on bribery and coercion through military occupation. Ain't nothing "free" about it except the funny money the Federal Reserve prints.

You're not completely wrong. Fear of Russian had a lot to do with it. We were on the way out of European affairs, reducing our military presence etc., until Russia stirred things up again pushing even more nations toward NATO.
And Russia was going to leave Ukraine alone until the United States fomented a couple coups in the Ukraine.

Right, because Russia wasn't in the Crimea, and the Donbas since 2014.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Hey antelope sniper,

We all love these gas prices because stupid mother fugkers like you and Burns (who couldn't wrestle a girl) want America in a war with Russia.

Thanks a bunch, dumb fugk.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by plumbum
Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.
Then why are we giving arms & money to Ukraine?


Why've we been giving arms & money to every country fighting the Russians and their proxies since 1945?
Posted By: Geno67 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
The thread is aptly named.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Hey antelope sniper,

We all love these gas prices because stupid mother fugkers like you and Burns (who couldn't wrestle a girl) want America in a war with Russia.

Thanks a bunch, dumb fugk.

Joe Biden approves this post.

Putin's Price Hike. laugh

Killin Baby Seals.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Geno67
The thread is aptly named.

Here comes the Never-Trumper.

Another gem of an idiot.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by plumbum
Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.
Then why are we giving arms & money to Ukraine?
Why've we been giving arms & money to every country fighting the Russians and their proxies since 1945?

Inquiring minds want to know?

Have we ever recieved a better ROI on a our arms and money?

[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by deflave
Hey antelope sniper,

We all love these gas prices because stupid mother fugkers like you and Burns (who couldn't wrestle a girl) want America in a war with Russia.

Thanks a bunch, dumb fugk.

Joe Biden approves this post.

Putin's Price Hike. laugh

Killin Baby Seals.

Was only a matter of time before you admitted such.
Posted By: CashisKing Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Joe Biden approves this post.


Speaking of salads...

I highly recommend you eat one...

OFTEN
Posted By: CashisKing Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Joe Biden approves this post.


Speaking of salads...

I highly recommend you eat one...

OFTEN

I know you prefer triple Whoppers...

BUT they don't love you...

Just saying...

Because I care.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Looks like tater head's discovered cherry flavored Nyquil.

Gonna be a long night.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
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Posted By: Geno67 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by plumbum
Quote
Don't see how empowering our enemies is a good thing for the US.

It's not. My point is that the Ukraine war is not about free trade. As you observe, it's about geopolitics. Putin wants Russia to control Ukraine, for the benefit of Putin's Russia.
Then why are we giving arms & money to Ukraine?
Why've we been giving arms & money to every country fighting the Russians and their proxies since 1945?

Inquiring minds want to know?

Have we ever recieved a better ROI on a our arms and money?

[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]

Kurds. And then we phoocked them over. A couple dozen times so far.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Hey Geno,

Were do you shoot BR?
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns

Those things were landing on them and detonating but it didn’t look like much damage was done. While I wouldn’t play catch with those “bombs” they appear to be more akin to an large firework then a bomb or even hand grenade. I’m rather impressed with the accuracy they seem to achieve with such a primitive delivery system. They should’ve caused a lot more carnage than they did.
Posted By: Valsdad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Looked like a couple of them fellas were writhing around not feeling so well. Depending on if, and what kind, they were wearing any hearing protection they may be deaf for a bit.

If a couple of friends of mine had that happen, I'd be looking for ways to eliminate those drones.
Originally Posted by efw
The problem from my perspective is that I’ve lost the faith you seem to hold unquestioningly to if you’re going to draw that historical parallel, and that is that our governing elites are the good guys (England) and not the bad guys (Germany).

My sense is that those here who served in the military during the Cold War haven’t appropriately grappled with that question.

Over the past few years I’ve seen the deceptiveness and ways that I’ve been drug into this whole thing and found it pretty distressing.

Our ruling elites are the bad guys on the global stage. By that I mean our government and the oligarchs who control the companies that the government uses to keep us placated.

Your position assumes that those people all of a sudden are doing the right thing in Ukraine.

That to me is insane, ignorant, or evil.

Is it your position that the Russians are the "Good guys" and the West, including the U.S. are the "Bad Guys"? If so, shouldn't you move to Russia? Since the founders of BLM were trained in Russia, does that make them the "Good Guys"? Who exactly where those Russians, in Moscow, that trained the founders of BLM and could they have possibly had an ulterior motive?

Yes, my experiences are different from your, and as a result I see things different than you. Much of economics is about choices and making choices. In introduction you seemed to presume there's a good choice and a bad choice to be made in this conflict. Sometimes there are no good choices, only bad and less bad choices. Sure, Biden's and idiot, and the Ukraine is corrupt. But it's till less corrupt than Russia, and Putin still see's himself and the new Peter the Great and seek to expand Russia and return it to it's prior glory.

And that's why The Cold War never really ended. Sure we got so far ahead on points we quit playing, and started new games with other friends in Middle East, but the Cold War never really ended, both side just took a breather, similar to the interwar period between WWI and WWII. Ukraine is just the new playground for this 77 year competition between us. If the Russians want to play, that's fine, we'll let them exhaust themselves in Ukraine, chew through all their best equipment, a generation of young men, and leave themselves too exhausted to venture past the Stan's for another 30 years. Sure, in a few decades they'll be back, but in the mean time they'll be relegated to cyber attacks and training the leaders of the next, Occupy Wall-Streeter, BLM, or what ever name they use for the next group of malcontents they convince to burn down their own neighborhoods.
Posted By: Geno67 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
The massive amount of anti-tank weaponry has been a sure enough game changer. About hilarious that they been stealing their gear left and right as well.
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Can you think past Ukraine?

What's the long game look like.

How much different would WWII have looked if the allies supported Czechoslovakia and stopped Hitler there?

The Ignorant one is you who believes Putin would have willingly stopped at the borders of Ukraine. Like Macgregor, you seem willing to let Russia have Ukraine, how about the rest of Europe. Should we just let them have everything behind the old Iron Curtain up to Berlin, or all of Europe, everything to the Atlantic Ocean?
All we know is that WW2 turned out really bad for about half the world. The world we set out to save in 1917 and 1941. In thwarting the ambitions of Germany and Japan we facilitated the communist takeover of a bunch of Asia and Europe by China and the Soviet Union. Would Hitler or Japan been worse? We don't know.

We do know that neither Germany or Japan threatened the continental USA.

Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.
I’ve asked before and nobody wants to give a straight answer. You think it’s funny and awesome etc etc that the gay boy’s troops are using US munitions gifted, and the higher ups are lining their pockets strait up with cash stolen from me and every other American citizen at gunpoint.

Have you donated directly to Kiev? To the Ukes effort with your own money, or are you content to run your mouth in the internet?
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox….

Besides, if your wife ever leaves you, where you going to find a new one? Not in ND, but don't worry, I'll have a deal for you a new newer model from Ukraine.

I have to take issue with several things in your post but I think your first assertion, as incorrect as it is, gives us insight into your alternate universe. Ukraine is NOT “our sandbox”….hell, Ukraine ain’t even our outhouse in the back 40. Ukraine is a historically Russian (Soviet) possession that was supposedly “gifted” their “independence” AFTER 1991. We owe Ukraine NOTHING. If anything the long held Soviet style beliefs run deep with Ukraine, just as deep as their Einsatzgruppen roots of relatives.

I’m not going to debate your philosophy on global trade and just how much it benefits me (until it doesn’t) because trade has nothing to do with our participation in Ukraine! Ukraine is not even a fart in the wind as far as important trading partners or global trade giants go so any argument that we need Ukraine to better our lives in the USA falls flat. Ukraine is the money laundering sandbox for the world’s elites and oligarchs but it isn’t “OUR” sandbox…

Real guys that have their sh.it together and haven’t let themselves grow fat and bitter can find a wife….but most importantly we can keep the one we have satisfied and aren’t constantly having to look for another woman to put up with our bitter, ugly ass (not meant at anyone here, general statement) until they too tire of that. Mail order brides are not necessary for a nice, socially adjusted man and are never a safe long term bet. 😉

Guys that wanna throw money around for some temporary “tang” can feel free to do as they please but they aren’t a subset of the population that I envy.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I’ve asked before and nobody wants to give a straight answer. You think it’s funny and awesome etc etc that the gay boy’s troops are using US munitions gifted, and the higher ups are lining their pockets strait up with cash stolen from me and every other American citizen at gunpoint.

Have you donated directly to Kiev? To the Ukes effort with your own money, or are you content to run your mouth in the internet?

Logic and reason has no place in this discussion.

Aren't you smart enough to have learned from decades of benevolent MSM indoctrination the Ruskie commies wil forever be a Supreme threat to you and your family?

Crap, even Northmam, Lostashell, Funkybone and Houston_2 were smart enough to learn that.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by efw
The problem from my perspective is that I’ve lost the faith you seem to hold unquestioningly to if you’re going to draw that historical parallel, and that is that our governing elites are the good guys (England) and not the bad guys (Germany).

My sense is that those here who served in the military during the Cold War haven’t appropriately grappled with that question.

Over the past few years I’ve seen the deceptiveness and ways that I’ve been drug into this whole thing and found it pretty distressing.

Our ruling elites are the bad guys on the global stage. By that I mean our government and the oligarchs who control the companies that the government uses to keep us placated.

Your position assumes that those people all of a sudden are doing the right thing in Ukraine.

That to me is insane, ignorant, or evil.

Is it your position that the Russians are the "Good guys" and the West, including the U.S. are the "Bad Guys"? If so, shouldn't you move to Russia? Since the founders of BLM were trained in Russia, does that make them the "Good Guys"? Who exactly where those Russians, in Moscow, that trained the founders of BLM and could they have possibly had an ulterior motive?

Yes, my experiences are different from your, and as a result I see things different than you. Much of economics is about choices and making choices. In introduction you seemed to presume there's a good choice and a bad choice to be made in this conflict. Sometimes there are no good choices, only bad and less bad choices. Sure, Biden's and idiot, and the Ukraine is corrupt. But it's till less corrupt than Russia, and Putin still see's himself and the new Peter the Great and seek to expand Russia and return it to it's prior glory.

And that's why The Cold War never really ended. Sure we got so far ahead on points we quit playing, and started new games with other friends in Middle East, but the Cold War never really ended, both side just took a breather, similar to the interwar period between WWI and WWII. Ukraine is just the new playground for this 77 year competition between us. If the Russians want to play, that's fine, we'll let them exhaust themselves in Ukraine, chew through all their best equipment, a generation of young men, and leave themselves too exhausted to venture past the Stan's for another 30 years. Sure, in a few decades they'll be back, but in the mean time they'll be relegated to cyber attacks and training the leaders of the next, Occupy Wall-Streeter, BLM, or what ever name they use for the next group of malcontents they convince to burn down their own neighborhoods.


I don’t GAS about Russia. They have their problems and they’re not mine.

We have a whole lotta problems in this country that our ruling elite ignore to our peril even as they act concerned about Ukraine.

From my point of view you address concerns within your sphere first, then move out from there. Ukraine is in Europe. Our ruling elites are here.

Our bad guys are a nearer and more eminent threat than Russia therefore we should take care of them first.

Our ruling elites are using Russia to distract you from your beef with them and it’s working just like it did with COVID. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice…

Sheeple who follow propaganda are easy to manipulate. Again take your pick insane, ignorant, or evil. Those are the choices.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by JohnBurns

Those things were landing on them and detonating but it didn’t look like much damage was done. While I wouldn’t play catch with those “bombs” they appear to be more akin to an large firework then a bomb or even hand grenade. I’m rather impressed with the accuracy they seem to achieve with such a primitive delivery system. They should’ve caused a lot more carnage than they did.

Ace, they're dropping pretty small munitions ranging anywhere from the size of a 20mm projectile to about 5 pounds. There's several versions of small commercial drones they use, one's even fitted with a six round rotating magazine. They can drop various munitions such as fragmentation and AP. Some are adopted from other munitions such as rifle fired grenades and others look more purpose built.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.


Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox….

I have to take issue with several things in your post but I think your first assertion, as incorrect as it is, gives us insight into your alternate universe. Ukraine is NOT “our sandbox”….hell, Ukraine ain’t even our outhouse in the back 40. Ukraine is a historically Russian (Soviet) possession that was supposedly “gifted” their “independence” AFTER 1991. We owe Ukraine NOTHING.


I have no idea how anyone can say Ukraine is our sandbox.

Grandiosity in things military was somewhat workable during the Cold War but it’s destabilizing now.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Russia entering Ukraine shìt in our sandbox….

I have to take issue with several things in your post but I think your first assertion, as incorrect as it is, gives us insight into your alternate universe. Ukraine is NOT “our sandbox”….hell, Ukraine ain’t even our outhouse in the back 40. Ukraine is a historically Russian (Soviet) possession that was supposedly “gifted” their “independence” AFTER 1991. We owe Ukraine NOTHING.


I have no idea how anyone can say Ukraine is our sandbox.

Grandiosity in things military was somewhat workable during the Cold War but it’s destabilizing now.


It's not just Ukraine. It's not even really about Ukraine. This is Chess, not checkers. You need to be looking 10 moves a head:

Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
If you think our ruling elites are trustworthy enough to be playing global chess with a nuclear power I just don’t even know how we can have a discussion that goes anything but how these discussions always go.

You all really need to let go of any and all sense that our elites have anything like the best long term good in mind for our country, much less the globe. It’s the opposite; they’re colluding to activity drain our country & the western alliances we’ve created throughout our history of any and all wealth they can with no regard for the fundamental wellbeing of the citizens whatsoever.

If you can’t see that we can’t even find a common dialect in which to speak. It’ll break down as it always does.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
But it's good to know antelope is on the same level as muglia and Burns.

#stupid


LOL
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by Geno67
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Inquiring minds want to know?

Have we ever recieved a better ROI on a our arms and money?

Kurds. And then we phoocked them over. A couple dozen times so far.

That's a fair point.

The YPG fought hard and we gave them some arms but we also had boots on the ground.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/12/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
That's a fair point.

The YPG fought hard and we gave them some arms but we also had boots on the ground.

Maybe sell some rifles and go low-cal for three months.

Crazy thought, I know.

LOL
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.
Why do we care? Where do we get the money? Don't we have a lot of projects going not done here in the lower 48 and Alaska because we don't have the money.

Is there a reasonable expectation that some foreign super power would mount a cross ocean invasion of the USA? That is unless we get so financially and politically unhinged that we couldn't fight back. We seemingly already have a fifth column.
Posted By: add Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.
Why do we care? Where do we get the money? Don't we have a lot of projects going not done here in the lower 48 and Alaska because we don't have the money.

Is there a reasonable expectation that some foreign super power would mount a cross ocean invasion of the USA? That is unless we get so financially and politically unhinged that we couldn't fight back. We seemingly already have a fifth column.

He is a globalist Hastings, don't waste your time.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Somebody blew the dam,....or at least somebody made the attempt to.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/v...assive-explosion-at-dam-in-kherson-video
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by deflave
But it's good to know antelope is on the same level as muglia and Burns.

#stupid


LOL


His Wife’s Name is Foggy Bottoms on Wisconsin Avenue..
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
You know Burns doesn’t donate to the cause because he’s so broke he don’t pay taxes.

LOL

Antelope sniper is probably a school teacher. He certainly has the IQ for it.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Antelope_sniper - an atheist progressive. Who woulda thunk those 2 go together?

There's nothing conservative about supporting the Ukraine. The Founding Fathers would be slitting Deep State throats if we got so involved in foreign alliances.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Somebody blew the dam,....or at least somebody made the attempt to.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/v...assive-explosion-at-dam-in-kherson-video

Orcs gonna do Orc things.

Does not look like it was the dam proper but the crossing on the left bank.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.
Why do we care? Where do we get the money? Don't we have a lot of projects going not done here in the lower 48 and Alaska because we don't have the money.

Is there a reasonable expectation that some foreign super power would mount a cross ocean invasion of the USA? That is unless we get so financially and politically unhinged that we couldn't fight back. We seemingly already have a fifth column.

Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.
Why do we care? Where do we get the money? Don't we have a lot of projects going not done here in the lower 48 and Alaska because we don't have the money.

Is there a reasonable expectation that some foreign super power would mount a cross ocean invasion of the USA? That is unless we get so financially and politically unhinged that we couldn't fight back. We seemingly already have a fifth column.

Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
Do you honestly believe the Russian federation has the military resources to sweep Europe?
Thats contradictory to your and Burns claims lowly Ukraine is stomping them.
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
The Hypothalamus..
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Now due to our policing the world we are broke and hopelessly in debt. And now we keep pouring billions of borrowed $$$$ into the God forsaken SH of a country Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine. It's about much more.
Why do we care? Where do we get the money? Don't we have a lot of projects going not done here in the lower 48 and Alaska because we don't have the money.

Is there a reasonable expectation that some foreign super power would mount a cross ocean invasion of the USA? That is unless we get so financially and politically unhinged that we couldn't fight back. We seemingly already have a fifth column.

Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
Do you honestly believe the Russian federation has the military resources to sweep Europe?
Thats contradictory to your and Burns claims lowly Ukraine is stomping them.

How much has their combat power been degraded in Ukraine?

How much of that was due to international aid, including U.S provided weapons?

Without our aid, who this war already be over, and would Russia be able to redirect their remaining combat power toward the remaining targets on their list?

Or, was this simplest solution to arm the Ukrainians and for a few hundred billion dollars blunt Russian aggression for several decades?
Posted By: slumlord Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
When I get aholt of some really GOOOOD pink lemonade flavored Kool Aid, ….my hypothalamus doesn’t know when to tell to me to stop. I’ll drink the whole pitcher

mama puts about 4 lbs of sugar in it. And…dayum is it fine
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Raferman
Do you honestly believe the Russian federation has the military resources to sweep Europe?
Thats contradictory to your and Burns claims lowly Ukraine is stomping them.

If the Orcs had rolled Ukraine then they would have tried Poland, Hungary, or Slovakia next.

That brings NATO Article 5 and the USA is boots on the ground fighting.

Ukraine's willingness to fight and prove how bad the Orcs fight has saved a lot of US sevice men for having to do the smashing.

Cheap at twice the price. wink
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Raferman
Do you honestly believe the Russian federation has the military resources to sweep Europe?
Thats contradictory to your and Burns claims lowly Ukraine is stomping them.

If the Orcs had rolled Ukraine then they would have tried Poland, Hungary, or Slovakia next.

That brings NATO Article 5 and the USA is boots on the ground fighting.

Ukraine's willingness to fight and prove how bad the Orcs fight has saved a lot of US sevice men for having to do the smashing.

Cheap at twice the price. wink


Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

How well did that inner war period isolationism work out for us?

Do you not remember this guy?


Well we are just not in agreement, I say let them fight it out. I don't care one way or the other who governs Europe. Or Asia for that matter.
Posted By: AcesNeights Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

I’ll answer your question even though it isn’t addressed to me and I’ll kindly ask you a question in return….

Europe was in no danger of being overrun by Russia. Europe DOES not include Ukraine despite modern revisionism that tries to twist history and the facts to suit their modern day agenda. Ukraine is not now nor have they been a member of Europe. Their traditions are Russian, their speech is Russian, their mannerisms and body language are Russian, their food is Russian, their religion is Russian. They are NOT a European country, they are not our long-standing faithful allies, they ARE NOT in our SANDBOX…..they aren’t even in the same playground or in the same neighborhood, they’re speaking some guttural gobeldygook in between shots of vodka and cigarettes halfway across the world….in RUSSIA’S SANDBOX. We wouldn’t appreciate Russia doing to us in Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean what we’ve done to them in Ukraine starting in 2014 under Obama/Klinton and NOBODY would dare claim that either Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean are in Russia’s backyard.

My question is……Is this the only Obama/Klinton color revolution, of the many failed color revolutions under that regime, that you support and believe in? What geopolitical acumen did they exercise in Ukraine that they failed to exercise in all their other failed revolutions? Why wouldn’t we expect repercussions for our failure to live up to our agreements and promises? Why is NATO encroachment right up to the Russian border in any way acceptable to any Russian?…it’s not because it’s meant as a threat….what the bullshitters would classify as a “deterrent” is really an unnecessary provocation. Why would anyone not react to continued provocation?
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Betray all their friends, then have none left when he comes for their lunch money.
Posted By: 79S Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Well at least you made it 52 days of sobriety this time.. I'm sure the Wyoming Recovery would love to see you come back. Here give this to your UBDER driver maybe they can drop you off tonight..

231 South Wilson Street Casper, WY 82601 (307) 224-9519
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?

Show me on the doll where the mean Russian touched you.

JHC

Europe outside a few notable exceptions is lost, between enviro laws, and 4rd world moslem immigrants, they are done. Let em burn. Maybe in 100 years there'll be another sea-change and we wipe the slate clear. Maybe. But here and now? no. There are allies worth throwing our weight behind, Kiev and the fàggot are far and away not one.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

I’ll answer your question even though it isn’t addressed to me and I’ll kindly ask you a question in return….

Europe was in no danger of being overrun by Russia. Europe DOES not include Ukraine despite modern revisionism that tries to twist history and the facts to suit their modern day agenda. Ukraine is not now nor have they been a member of Europe. Their traditions are Russian, their speech is Russian, their mannerisms and body language are Russian, their food is Russian, their religion is Russian. They are NOT a European country, they are not our long-standing faithful allies, they ARE NOT in our SANDBOX…..they aren’t even in the same playground or in the same neighborhood, they’re speaking some guttural gobeldygook in between shots of vodka and cigarettes halfway across the world….in RUSSIA’S SANDBOX. We wouldn’t appreciate Russia doing to us in Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean what we’ve done to them in Ukraine starting in 2014 under Obama/Klinton and NOBODY would dare claim that either Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean are in Russia’s backyard.

My question is……Is this the only Obama/Klinton color revolution, of the many failed color revolutions under that regime, that you support and believe in? What geopolitical acumen did they exercise in Ukraine that they failed to exercise in all their other failed revolutions? Why wouldn’t we expect repercussions for our failure to live up to our agreements and promises? Why is NATO encroachment right up to the Russian border in any way acceptable to any Russian?…it’s not because it’s meant as a threat….what the bullshitters would classify as a “deterrent” is really an unnecessary provocation. Why would anyone not react to continued provocation?

Where do you draw the line?

Hastings would abandon all of Europe to the Atlantic.

Where's the line for you?
How about Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, LithuaniaSlovakia, the Czech Republics, Poland, Germany back to the old wall, or all of Germany, or, are you like Hasting and would let them have everything from Gibraltar to Iceland?
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Well at least you made it 52 days of sobriety this time.. I'm sure the Wyoming Recovery would love to see you come back. Here give this to your UBDER driver maybe they can drop you off tonight..

231 South Wilson Street Casper, WY 82601 (307) 224-9519

You shoulld enter the term "Projection" in your favorite search engine.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Betray all their friends, then have none left when he comes for their lunch money.

Always hoping they will be last one bullied.

But Ukraine smashed the Orc bully in the nose and showed the world how weak the Orcs were if you will fight.

That alone was worth every Dollar we send to Ukraine.

The USA now can better align defense spending toward the ChiComs as we have Ukraine to smash the Orcs for pennies on the World Reserve Dollar.

Poland is buying Orc killing weapons at a massive level.

Finnland and Sweden are fast tracked into NATO and spend way more than 2% on Orc killin weapons.

Lots of winning because Ukraine was willing to fight.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?

Show me on the doll where the mean Russian touched you.

JHC

Europe outside a few notable exceptions is lost, between enviro laws, and 4rd world moslem immigrants, they are done. Let em burn. Maybe in 100 years there'll be another sea-change and we wipe the slate clear. Maybe. But here and now? no. There are allies worth throwing our weight behind, Kiev and the fàggot are far and away not one.

Just keep them out of our hemisphere and sell weapons to every side of a modern version of the 30 years war plus the Russians, and when it's over be the only industrialized nation left?
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
[Show me on the doll where the mean Russian touched you.

JHC

Europe outside a few notable exceptions is lost, between enviro laws, and 4rd world moslem immigrants, they are done. Let em burn. Maybe in 100 years there'll be another sea-change and we wipe the slate clear. Maybe. But here and now? no. There are allies worth throwing our weight behind, Kiev and the fàggot are far and away not one.

Just keep them out of our hemisphere and sell weapons to every side of a modern version of the 30 years war plus the Russians, and when it's over be the only industrialized nation left?

It's pretty much a proven fact Ukraine has used the weapons we sent for the exact purpose we built those weapons.

Orc SMASHING.

And Ukraine has done it without USA boot on the ground.

Litterally the best deal in the history of the WORLD. EVAR.

The realigining of defense speding to counter the ChiComs will cover all the cost of this Orc smackdown.

Deal of the Century does not even come close.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Well at least you made it 52 days of sobriety this time.. I'm sure the Wyoming Recovery would love to see you come back. Here give this to your UBDER driver maybe they can drop you off tonight..

231 South Wilson Street Casper, WY 82601 (307) 224-9519

You shoulld enter the term "Projection" in your favorite search engine.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Notice how none of the Orc Lovers are willing to admit how much of Europe, and how many NATO countries they're willing to just let Russian have?

That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Betray all their friends, then have none left when he comes for their lunch money.

Always hoping they will be last one bullied.

But Ukraine smashed the Orc bully in the nose and showed the world how weak the Orcs were if you will fight.

That alone was worth every Dollar we send to Ukraine.

The USA now can better align defense spending toward the ChiComs as we have Ukraine to smash the Orcs for pennies on the World Reserve Dollar.

Poland is buying Orc killing weapons at a massive level.

Finnland and Sweden are fast tracked into NATO and spend way more than 2% on Orc killin weapons.

Lots of winning because Ukraine was willing to fight.


There's a lot in that post missed by the new isolationist, specifically regarding what happens to the dollar if we allowed Europe to fall to Russia, and how that would embolden the Chinese. Last time things got sporty in the Pacific, we got drawn into a World War.

China's an export economy. Without foreign consumption their economy collapses. The sanctions on Russia scared the schiiit out the them and have them seriously reconsidering any plans regarding Taiwan.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
[Show me on the doll where the mean Russian touched you.

JHC

Europe outside a few notable exceptions is lost, between enviro laws, and 4rd world moslem immigrants, they are done. Let em burn. Maybe in 100 years there'll be another sea-change and we wipe the slate clear. Maybe. But here and now? no. There are allies worth throwing our weight behind, Kiev and the fàggot are far and away not one.

Just keep them out of our hemisphere and sell weapons to every side of a modern version of the 30 years war plus the Russians, and when it's over be the only industrialized nation left?

It's pretty much a proven fact Ukraine has used the weapons we sent for the exact purpose we built those weapons.

Orc SMASHING.

And Ukraine has done it without USA boot on the ground.

Litterally the best deal in the history of the WORLD. EVAR.

The realigining of defense speding to counter the ChiComs will cover all the cost of this Orc smackdown.

Deal of the Century does not even come close.

I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
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Posted By: dassa Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Raferman
Do you honestly believe the Russian federation has the military resources to sweep Europe?
Thats contradictory to your and Burns claims lowly Ukraine is stomping them.

If the Orcs had rolled Ukraine then they would have tried Poland, Hungary, or Slovakia next.

That brings NATO Article 5 and the USA is boots on the ground fighting.

Ukraine's willingness to fight and prove how bad the Orcs fight has saved a lot of US sevice men for having to do the smashing.

Cheap at twice the price. wink


John John everybody’s in the Pool Already ..

Article 5 is just a Formality at this Point..
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
It's not just Ukraine. It's not even really about Ukraine. This is Chess, not checkers. You need to be looking 10 moves a head:

This is the funniest GD thing I'll read today.


LOL
Posted By: kenjs1 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
That's because they would give anything to not have to confront the bully.

It's the way they lived their life.

Oh my God...

antelope's lost his gay throne in short order.

LOL

You're still the gayest one out there, Johnny Gin Blossom.
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?

Next time I'm in Cody I'm gonna park outside booze face's shop with the camera rolling.

I can't wait to see him stand up to a bully.

LMFAO

I'd say the same about you but you're probably still locked indoors with a towel wrapped around your face.
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?

Now she plays the "I'm a veteran card."

LOL

So is John Kerry, and he's a total dumb fugk.

Just like you.
Posted By: Dutch Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

And why did we embargo them? It was a political response to the military actions of the Japanese.

I did not serve, either. Not necessarily because I was anti-military, I happened to be pursuing an academic career, which got me out of compulsory service, and then I moved countries. Even so, I doubt I would have been a good fit in the military

Let me give you a perspective from someone who comes from a country that WAS fundamentally "live and let live", down to being unaligned politically and militarily, like Sweden and Switzerland, all the way through WWI, up to WWII.

That worked out rather well in WWI. Our good neighbors in Belgium got put through the meat grinder ("Flanders Fields"), and the Dutch sat on the sidelines not spending treasure and blood, and trying to hang on to their own trade empire.

It didn't work out so well in WWII. Hitler thought The Netherlands were geographically too strategic and the Dutch to much of a "Bruder Volk" to leave it alone, and thus over ran it in three days.

There will be a fight, at some point, to check Putin's ambitions. As long as Nato exists, it will happen when Nato countries become involved. If Nato dissolves, the fight will be postponed, but something, sometime will happen to draw us in. Sooner, or later. How do you propose to do that? Do we wait, and hope, and pray, and sing Kum-ba-ya until something happens, which will be followed by throwing thousands of American and Allied lives at it, ruin several countries or even a continent, risk escalation to nuclear arms and spend multiple trillions........ or do we ruin one country, no American or Allied lives, no meaningful risk of nuclear arms, and spend billions in close-to-expiration date weapons, munitions and straight aid?

There will be a fight. This one doesn't require American blood. I'd spend TRILLIONS on this fight because it is a realistic opportunity to avoid killing ANY of our best young men and women.
Posted By: plumbum Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Hastings
[quote=antelope_sniper]

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

I like Ron Paul, but he might be missing a point. Sanctions are often an attempt to correct bad behavior.

Like the Japanese, and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Shpere. They were invading their way across the Pacific and Asia, getting materials for an expanding military. Their govt was being directed by a group of military and economic hawks.

We sanctioned them to slow down their buildup, and yes we went to war anyways. Had we not sanctioned them, they would have been in better military and strategic shape, and we would have gone to war anyways, because that's what they wanted. They were being led by warmongers.

The sanctions preceded war, but did not cause it.
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by Hastings
[quote=antelope_sniper]

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

I like Ron Paul, but he might be missing a point. Sanctions are often an attempt to correct bad behavior.

Like the Japanese, and the Greater EastvAsua Co-Prosperity Shpere. They were invading their way across the Pacific and Asia, getting materials for an expanding military. Their govt was being directed by a group of military and economic hawks.

We sanctioned them to slow down their buildup, and yes we went to war anyways. Had we not sanctioned them, they would have been in better military and strategic shape, and we would have gone to war anyways, because that's what they wanted.

The sanctions preceded war, but did not cause it.
I understand what you are saying but what did we accomplish. Were the Japs ruling Asia worse for us than Communist China. What business of ours was it? Japan attacked because we had put a plan into effect that would have starved them very quickly.

Again, what business of ours was it? Did the Chinese benefit? Did we?

What benefit have we gained in our European adventures? For over 100 years now. Everything we've meddled in has come a cropper.

Now we are in debt 30+ TRILLION $$$$.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.

It's a rhetorical question.
It will be a few years before you make it to that reading level, but hang in there, you can do it!
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.

It's a rhetorical question.
It will be a few years before you make it to that reading level, but hang in there, you can do it!

The COVTARD telling other people they’re dumb.

TFF.

How many boosters you got?
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.

More accurately, a liberal covtard troll.

The bullshit it's posted in this thread, is the same bullshit it posts in alla the religion threads.

Derail the topic with "what if" crap, ta try and disguise the stupidity of the troll position on every issue.

Perfect complement ta tater head and the clam.
Originally Posted by kenjs1
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.

Yes,

In response to the expansion of communisms our policy was one of "Containment".

Here's a picture of what that looked like in 1959:[Linked Image]

You'll notice there's basically a blue ring around the Soviet Union, beginning with Japan and Korea to control the Tsushima Strait and bottle up the Soviet Fleet in Vladivostok, down through the remainder of the First Island Chain, i.e. Taiwan, Philippines, along with Vietnam to control the southern water ways approaching China, Thailand and Singapore to control access to between the Indian and Pacific oceans.

We have the southern chain, Pakistan, at that time Iran, and Turkey. With Turkey, Greece, Italy, again, we control access to the Black Sea and kept another Soviet Fleet bottled up. We controlled the entire northern coast of the Med and it's primary access point in the West, Gibraltar.

On west, Italy, France, Germany, with the Netherlands and Norway containing the Baltic fleet, and Norway and Iceland controlling the major water way between the Soviet Northern Fleet and the blue waters of the Atlantic, a line we began augmenting with SOSUS in 1966.

Now when you look at this map, all of a sudden some historical events make more sense. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Here's a clue for you. Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.

As for the claim that Russians prefer free buffer states between them and NATO, the Soviets went into Hungary in 56, and Czechoslovakia in 68. They have a history of filling voids around their sphere of influence.

After their fall in 1991 containment moved forward. Czechs, Hungary and Poland in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004, and a smattering of small player since 2009. Now if you look at a map, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are right up against the Russians. The Kaliningrad carve out borders Poland and Lithuania, and Poland's, right up against the Russian Puppet Belarus, which brings us to Ukraine. Of course this is nothing new. NATO and Soviet Block solders faced each other just a few years apart at Check Point Charles for over 45 year.

Serious discussion about Ukrainian membership in NATO began in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. Neither was admitted, and a few month last Russia went into Georgia. Movement on admitting Ukraine essentially stalled until 2014 when Russia went into Crimea, but of course that little detail just gets glossed over. Now if the Russians has just stayed in Crimea, they could of probably gotten away with it, but as Orcs and the Borg will do, they just had to get greedy and as Russian always does (They didn't become the nation with the largest land mass by playing nice with their neighbors) they tried to take more, and now everyone on Russia's borders wants to join NATO.

Now you and I see Ukraine differently.

You see Ukraine. I see a pathway to all of north eastern Germany through Poland, and northern Bulgaria though Romania. And of Course they'd also need the 3 Baltic States to secure the Baltic coastline.

[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]


So our basis choices are:

1. Go Isolationist. Abandon all allies and trading partners at least outside the Western Hemisphere if not world wide AT THE SAME TIME ALL YOU BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING. You think shortages are bad now? You have no clue what this would look like. Keep in mind, the proximate cause of the great depression was a tariff on raw materials. This would make the Great Depression look lie a picnic.

2. Do nothing in Ukraine. Let the Russians have it, honor our commitments to NATO and fight a series of wars across Seven NATO member.

3. Arm Ukraine. Spend a few hundred billion to Russian dry, bring the the edge of bankruptcy, leave much of a generation of their young men dead on the battle field, and leave them too exhausted for foreign adventures for the next 30 years, and make China reconsider it's plans for foreign adventures for a long time as well.

For anyone who can think past the nose on their own face, this is an easy call.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by kenjs1
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.

Yes,

In response to the expansion of communisms our policy was one of "Containment".

Here's a picture of what that looked like in 1959:[Linked Image]

You'll notice there's basically a blue ring around the Soviet Union, beginning with Japan and Korea to control the Tsushima Strait and bottle up the Soviet Fleet in Vladivostok, down through the remainder of the First Island Chain, i.e. Taiwan, Philippines, along with Vietnam to control the southern water ways approaching China, Thailand and Singapore to control access to between the Indian and Pacific oceans.

We have the southern chain, Pakistan, at that time Iran, and Turkey. With Turkey, Greece, Italy, again, we control access to the Black Sea and kept another Soviet Fleet bottled up. We controlled the entire northern coast of the Med and it's primary access point in the West, Gibraltar.

On west, Italy, France, Germany, with the Netherlands and Norway containing the Baltic fleet, and Norway and Iceland controlling the major water way between the Soviet Northern Fleet and the blue waters of the Atlantic, a line we began augmenting with SOSUS in 1966.

Now when you look at this map, all of a sudden some historical events make more sense. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Here's a clue for you. Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.

As for the claim that Russians prefer free buffer states between them and NATO, the Soviets went into Hungary in 56, and Czechoslovakia in 68. They have a history of filling voids around their sphere of influence.

After their fall in 1991 containment moved forward. Czechs, Hungary and Poland in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004, and a smattering of small player since 2009. Now if you look at a map, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are right up against the Russians. The Kaliningrad carve out borders Poland and Lithuania, and Poland's, right up against the Russian Puppet Belarus, which brings us to Ukraine. Of course this is nothing new. NATO and Soviet Block solders faced each other just a few years apart at Check Point Charles for over 45 year.

Serious discussion about Ukrainian membership in NATO began in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. Neither was admitted, and a few month last Russia went into Georgia. Movement on admitting Ukraine essentially stalled until 2014 when Russia went into Crimea, but of course that little detail just gets glossed over. Now if the Russians has just stayed in Crimea, they could of probably gotten away with it, but as Orcs and the Borg will do, they just had to get greedy and as Russian always does (They didn't become the nation with the largest land mass by playing nice with their neighbors) they tried to take more, and now everyone on Russia's borders wants to join NATO.

Now you and I see Ukraine differently.

You see Ukraine. I see a pathway to all of north eastern Germany through Poland, and northern Bulgaria though Romania. And of Course they'd also need the 3 Baltic States to secure the Baltic coastline.

[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]


So our basis choices are:

1. Go Isolationist. Abandon all allies and trading partners at least outside the Western Hemisphere if not world wide AT THE SAME TIME ALL YOU BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING. You think shortages are bad now? You have no clue what this would look like. Keep in mind, the proximate cause of the great depression was a tariff on raw materials. This would make the Great Depression look lie a picnic.

2. Do nothing in Ukraine. Let the Russians have it, honor our commitments to NATO and fight a series of wars across Seven NATO member.

3. Arm Ukraine. Spend a few hundred billion to Russian dry, bring the the edge of bankruptcy, leave much of a generation of their young men dead on the battle field, and leave them too exhausted for foreign adventures for the next 30 years, and make China reconsider it's plans for foreign adventures for a long time as well.

For anyone who can think past the nose on their own face, this is an easy call.

LOL

It’s little wonder you thought COVID farts was gonna kill you.

What a fugking idiot.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

We sanctioned Japan AFTER they attacked our then ally, China.

And everything in the world you could possible need is made right there in Louisiana.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by kenjs1
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?
A/S: I wouldn't know you if I met you on the street but in a way I consider you a friend and I know you are a smart man.

But as to Europe. Every bit of it if requires our money or men to stop them. Europe has been at war for 2000 years that I know of and we have broken our treasury and ruined the lives of millions of our citizens with our meddling over there and Asia when we should have been only trading with whoever was in charge and had the gold at the time.

What have we gained by fighting two world wars other than a lot of debt and a world ready to go to war again. My family had men killed in both world wars and others mentally seriously scarred by what they went through.

Ok, you give Russia all of Europe. All the heavy industry in Germany, warm water ports, and a population twice that of the United States.

Then what happens?

If the former Soviet Union could support 240 divisions, how many could the support with all of Europe?

What's that do to the world economy?

How about the Middle east? Can they have that next? How about South Africa and the other rare earth mineral producing parts of Africa?

Do we get Russians back in Cuba, and Venezuela, Grenada, Argentina?

What about Guatemala and Nicaragua?

How about Mexico? Can they have Mexico?

What fight would you choose with the Russians, Americans along the Rio Grande, or Ukrainians along the Dnipro?
You start this argument with a faulty premise: Europe isn't ours, therefore we can't "give" it to anyone.

Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism. There is no will for that anymore. Communism is promoted and inundates us daily and iys effects evident in the far less than red wave we see in this election cycle. Russia won't need or likely want Canada or Mexico when what everyone, all countries, understand is that US policy is now solely based on keeping secrets hidden and maintaining the money laundering. If Russia captures all of Europe and the mayor of Moscow can just write another check to Hunter B or whoever in our state department -and the Big Guy gets his 10% - there will be no moral outrage or call for anything. Ask the kids that were victims of those on Ghislaine Maxwell's list or Hunter Biden's laptop. As Joe himself just said- Good Luck with that.

Yes,

In response to the expansion of communisms our policy was one of "Containment".

Here's a picture of what that looked like in 1959:[Linked Image]

You'll notice there's basically a blue ring around the Soviet Union, beginning with Japan and Korea to control the Tsushima Strait and bottle up the Soviet Fleet in Vladivostok, down through the remainder of the First Island Chain, i.e. Taiwan, Philippines, along with Vietnam to control the southern water ways approaching China, Thailand and Singapore to control access to between the Indian and Pacific oceans.

We have the southern chain, Pakistan, at that time Iran, and Turkey. With Turkey, Greece, Italy, again, we control access to the Black Sea and kept another Soviet Fleet bottled up. We controlled the entire northern coast of the Med and it's primary access point in the West, Gibraltar.

On west, Italy, France, Germany, with the Netherlands and Norway containing the Baltic fleet, and Norway and Iceland controlling the major water way between the Soviet Northern Fleet and the blue waters of the Atlantic, a line we began augmenting with SOSUS in 1966.

Now when you look at this map, all of a sudden some historical events make more sense. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Here's a clue for you. Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.

As for the claim that Russians prefer free buffer states between them and NATO, the Soviets went into Hungary in 56, and Czechoslovakia in 68. They have a history of filling voids around their sphere of influence.

After their fall in 1991 containment moved forward. Czechs, Hungary and Poland in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004, and a smattering of small player since 2009. Now if you look at a map, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are right up against the Russians. The Kaliningrad carve out borders Poland and Lithuania, and Poland's, right up against the Russian Puppet Belarus, which brings us to Ukraine. Of course this is nothing new. NATO and Soviet Block solders faced each other just a few years apart at Check Point Charles for over 45 year.

Serious discussion about Ukrainian membership in NATO began in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. Neither was admitted, and a few month last Russia went into Georgia. Movement on admitting Ukraine essentially stalled until 2014 when Russia went into Crimea, but of course that little detail just gets glossed over. Now if the Russians has just stayed in Crimea, they could of probably gotten away with it, but as Orcs and the Borg will do, they just had to get greedy and as Russian always does (They didn't become the nation with the largest land mass by playing nice with their neighbors) they tried to take more, and now everyone on Russia's borders wants to join NATO.

Now you and I see Ukraine differently.

You see Ukraine. I see a pathway to all of north eastern Germany through Poland, and northern Bulgaria though Romania. And of Course they'd also need the 3 Baltic States to secure the Baltic coastline.

[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]


So our basis choices are:

1. Go Isolationist. Abandon all allies and trading partners at least outside the Western Hemisphere if not world wide AT THE SAME TIME ALL YOU BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING. You think shortages are bad now? You have no clue what this would look like. Keep in mind, the proximate cause of the great depression was a tariff on raw materials. This would make the Great Depression look lie a picnic.

2. Do nothing in Ukraine. Let the Russians have it, honor our commitments to NATO and fight a series of wars across Seven NATO member.

3. Arm Ukraine. Spend a few hundred billion to Russian dry, bring the the edge of bankruptcy, leave much of a generation of their young men dead on the battle field, and leave them too exhausted for foreign adventures for the next 30 years, and make China reconsider it's plans for foreign adventures for a long time as well.

For anyone who can think past the nose on their own face, this is an easy call.

LOL

It’s little wonder you thought COVID farts was gonna kill you.

What a fugking idiot.


Aren't you supposed to be out putting masks on alligator butts.

Ricks counting on you!
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
And your jokes suck.

Not unlike Burns.

Fugking idiots.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Dutch
There will be a fight, at some point, to check Putin's ambitions. As long as Nato exists, it will happen when Nato countries become involved. If Nato dissolves, the fight will be postponed, but something, sometime will happen to draw us in.

,...and *that* will be the end of the transvestite story hour down at your local library.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Well there is that but also the point that our former government actually wanted to stop the spread of communism.


,...while our current government wants to enable it.
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

This question is a perfect example of just how fugking dumb you are.

You are stupid person.

It's a rhetorical question.
It will be a few years before you make it to that reading level, but hang in there, you can do it!

The COVTARD telling other people they’re dumb.

TFF.

How many boosters you got?

I don't know, I've lost count. Eight of Pfizer, six of Moderna, 2 J&J, AstrazEneca, Novavx, both of the Sputink's the Chinese zifivax, India's Zycov-d and Cuban Soberna's 01 and 02., so, about 24. Do you think I needed both the Cuban vaccines, was that second trip to Havana a little bit too much? I don't know, Ethiopia's about done with theirs, maybe that will be the ticket.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Dutch
There will be a fight, at some point, to check Putin's ambitions. As long as Nato exists, it will happen when Nato countries become involved. If Nato dissolves, the fight will be postponed, but something, sometime will happen to draw us in.

,...and *that* will be the end of the transvestite story hour down at your local library.


And the end of "strong independent women" who "don't need no man".
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Raferman
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Of course not.

They’re idiots.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
And the end of "strong independent women" who "don't need no man".

Based on your posts, you could use some men in your life as well.

LOL
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
And the end of "strong independent women" who "don't need no man".

Based on your posts, you could use some men in your life as well.

LOL

I'll be sure to say hi to your ex-wife for you.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Raferman
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Of course not.

They’re idiots.

Covtard deniers.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
And the end of "strong independent women" who "don't need no man".

Based on your posts, you could use some men in your life as well.

LOL

I'll be sure to say hi to your ex-wife for you.

Remember when I told you your jokes don’t make any sense?

LOL

Sure sign of a fugking idiot.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Raferman
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Of course not.

They’re idiots.

Covtard deniers.

You’d think antelope sniper would admit his mistakes on the previous cause before jumping to a new one.

But nope, they just keep on truckin’.

LOL
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Raferman
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Of course not.

They’re idiots.

Covtard deniers.

You’d think antelope sniper would admit his mistakes on the previous cause before jumping to a new one.

But nope, they just keep on truckin’.

LOL


Only farts I'm afraid of yours and Jim. There's a reason he was exiled to the plain of North Dakota. Since you left Montana Wyoming's a lot less windy and the air quality in Denver's improved.
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Raferman
Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Of course not.

They’re idiots.

Covtard deniers.

You’d think antelope sniper would admit his mistakes on the previous cause before jumping to a new one.

But nope, they just keep on truckin’.

LOL


Only farts I'm afraid of yours and Jim. There's a reason he was exiled to the plain of North Dakota. Since you left Montana Wyoming's a lot less windy and the air quality in Denver's improved.
Schity jokes won't make us forget you're a retard.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Millions of dollars sent to Ukraine were used to fund Democrat political campaigns in the U.S.A.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...eme-running-dollars-politicians-ukraine/

https://michaelsavage.com/breaking-...-were-laundered-back-to-democrats-in-us/
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
More:

https://thepostmillennial.com/ukrai...ded-war-effort-report?utm_campaign=64483

The multi-billion dollar cryptocurrency company FTX, run by CEO Sam Bankman-Fried, the second biggest Democrat donor right after George Soros, collapsed last week as details emerged regarding their financial practices, which led to a run by customers on FTX. FTX did not have the funds to pay out.

It was also revealed that FTX had partnered with Ukraine to process donations to their war efforts within days of Joe Biden pledging billions of American taxpayer dollars to the country. Ukraine invested into FTX as the Biden administration funneled funds to the invaded nation, and FTX then made massive donations to Democrats in the US.
Posted By: dassa Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
But it's worth it. We can't let the people of Europe be ruled by Russia. They must remain under the thumb of unelected EU bureaucrats.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't know, I've lost count. Eight of Pfizer, six of Moderna, 2 J&J, AstrazEneca, Novavx, both of the Sputink's the Chinese zifivax, India's Zycov-d and Cuban Soberna's 01 and 02., so, about 24. Do you think I needed both the Cuban vaccines, was that second trip to Havana a little bit too much? I don't know, Ethiopia's about done with theirs, maybe that will be the ticket.

I didn't get any COVID vacs but this thread is sort of making me want to give it a shot. grin

Let have a feel good moment or 2 with this nice video. Many Orcs were hurt to make this video.

Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Hey Burns,

Did Mike Glover tell you to stop dropping his name?

Or did he have one of his people do it?

LOL
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe



They have no idea where the Ukie Funds go ..


I,I,I say thar ya just had and Election and the Chairs haven’t Move ..

So we’ll just keep doing the Peoples Business..

Hahaha Hahaha

Better start finding ways to protect your Wealth cuz they’sa Cum’n..

Oh .. They’sa Cum’n

Hahaha Hahaha
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
My friend, Mike Glover, just put up a good video for Veterans Day.


Posted By: AcesNeights Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Let me ask you the same question I asked deflave. How much of Europe are you willing to see under Russian control? A return to the old Soviet borders up to Berlin, or all the way to the Atlantic?

I’ll answer your question even though it isn’t addressed to me and I’ll kindly ask you a question in return….

Europe was in no danger of being overrun by Russia. Europe DOES not include Ukraine despite modern revisionism that tries to twist history and the facts to suit their modern day agenda. Ukraine is not now nor have they been a member of Europe. Their traditions are Russian, their speech is Russian, their mannerisms and body language are Russian, their food is Russian, their religion is Russian. They are NOT a European country, they are not our long-standing faithful allies, they ARE NOT in our SANDBOX…..they aren’t even in the same playground or in the same neighborhood, they’re speaking some guttural gobeldygook in between shots of vodka and cigarettes halfway across the world….in RUSSIA’S SANDBOX. We wouldn’t appreciate Russia doing to us in Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean what we’ve done to them in Ukraine starting in 2014 under Obama/Klinton and NOBODY would dare claim that either Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean are in Russia’s backyard.

My question is……Is this the only Obama/Klinton color revolution, of the many failed color revolutions under that regime, that you support and believe in? What geopolitical acumen did they exercise in Ukraine that they failed to exercise in all their other failed revolutions? Why wouldn’t we expect repercussions for our failure to live up to our agreements and promises? Why is NATO encroachment right up to the Russian border in any way acceptable to any Russian?…it’s not because it’s meant as a threat….what the bullshitters would classify as a “deterrent” is really an unnecessary provocation. Why would anyone not react to continued provocation?

Where do you draw the line?

Hastings would abandon all of Europe to the Atlantic.

Where's the line for you?
How about Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, LithuaniaSlovakia, the Czech Republics, Poland, Germany back to the old wall, or all of Germany, or, are you like Hasting and would let them have everything from Gibraltar to Iceland?

AntelopeSniper….. I don’t have to “draw a line” to demarcate the European borders because that line is already drawn and has been debated, revised and redrawn time and again throughout history. I don’t understand why we are pretending like we can’t define “Europe”. I might not agree with the decisions or policies of NATO but since they like to pretend that living up to agreements is desirable while they simultaneously work in quiet to usurp and undermine those very same treaties. Their modus operandi is to demand total capitulation and then force the parties to sign their “treaties”. The western factions ignore their obligations under the treaty and continue to do whatever they please despite their actions being in violation of the treaty. Any/every treaty with NATO culminates in the west abrogating their obligations while accusing the other side of doing what they did in violation of the agreement. Europe isn’t some abstract idea, it’s a real place with a real definition and real BORDERS!

Interestingly enough….Ukraine has had multiple opportunities to join NATO in the post Cold War but voted it down or declined membership. Ukraine had decades to join the west but CHOSE to stay allied with Russia while remaining friendly to Europe.

When I see that the primary small arms of the Ukrainian soldier and civilian is the AK47 I know that they ain’t my longtime friend. We don’t have to use disingenuous and misleading assertions nor do we have to redefine the facts in an attempt to make this clusterfuck more palatable.

To recap….
Ukraine is NOT a European country
Ukraine is NOT our responsibility
Ukraine is NOT our sandbox
Russia’s response in 2014 to the Obama color revolution fomented by our CIA is the reason this bullshit is still going.
Ukraine is a historically Russian state and virtually all of its traditions are Russian in origin
Obama Klinton and Biden are pushing this “war” while the left is virtue signaling their blood lust….suddenly on the precipice of WWIII “we” trust the left and the way they prosecute war?GMAFB

What really strikes me about this Ukraine thing is that in general terms the left hates war and generally sympathized with their communist brothers and sisters. At the same time the right is anti-Russia and anti-communism and more likely to support military action against our “enemies”, especially the Russians. This “war” has all those generalizations uprooted and backwards. The left wants war so bad they can’t stand it while the right wants nothing to do with the internal communist struggles in Russia’s backyard. The left hates the military industrial complex but as it relates to Ukraine the left loves the MIC.

I’m fine with Russians killing pseudo-Russians and our enemies weakening each other 10,000 miles away.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I’m fine with Russians killing pseudo-Russians and our enemies weakening each other 10,000 miles away.
That works for me.

That you for the thoughtful response.

Now a couple points of order.
Ukraine IS located in Europe. So is Moscow, and all of Russia up to the Ural mountains, down to the Caspian sea, along the Caucuses, along the black sea to the Dardanelle's Ukraine has a long as storied history, along with Poland being the playground of empires where east meets west for the last 800 years, and it's once again serving that roll today.

Remember when you were a kid. You'd start rough housing with your brother, and the parents didn't want to you break anything in the house, so they'd send you outside and you'd go out to the sand box and kick sand in each others face. You could body slam each other in the soft sand, and sure you'd get a dirty and mom would have to wash your cloths, but nothing important got broken?

So if Russia wants to a pissing match in the sandbox, that's fine. We'll give some toys to our favorite thugs, let the Russians duke it out with them in the sandbox and not get anywhere close to inside the house (Current NATO countries) and the fine china.

As for how much responsibility we have for Ukraine, that's debatable. We made them a series of security assurances back in the 90's as a precondition for them to turn over their nuclear arsenal for disposal.

As for three of the last 4 administrations pushing for war, I believe you give them way too much credit and greatly under estimate their incompetence. Yes the left "hates" wars, but we have more wars under leftist administration due to their weakness and incompetence on the international stage.

Yes, the irony of the left/right switch as it applies to Russia isn't lost upon me. Today if someone says Ukraine those on the far right automatically think, "Biden Bad", and their brain shuts off, like that zombie in the "good shoot" thread from earlier today. It's actually quite facinating.
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

We sanctioned Japan AFTER they attacked our then ally, China.

And everything in the world you could possible need is made right there in Louisiana.
Our ally China? Then why after the war did we leave them to the tender mercies of the Communists? Why did we pull out of North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Almost everywhere we've gone to save was left in a mess.

And now we are BROKE, and Europe is gearing up for another conflagration. And of course we are stupid enough to be in NATO.

And everything I need could be made in this country or with the money we would save we could go out and buy it on the world market. You know, free trade, no restrictions on a country because they offend us.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?
In my case it is because I wanted no part of it. And now I don't want my kids or grandchildren mixed up in killing or being killed in some foolishness across the ocean.

We haven't gained a thing by our foreign adventures. Nothing. Starting with the Spanish/American War. All it has done is put us into position for another war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and all that Middle-East crap.

And before anyone pipes up with "Japan attacked us". Why did they attack us? Who embargoed them, who blockaded trade with them?

As Ron Paul observed "sanctions lead to war".

We sanctioned Japan AFTER they attacked our then ally, China.

And everything in the world you could possible need is made right there in Louisiana.
Our ally China? Then why after the war did we leave them to the tender mercies of the Communists? Why did we pull out of North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Almost everywhere we've gone to save was left in a mess.

And now we are BROKE, and Europe is gearing up for another conflagration. And of course we are stupid enough to be in NATO.

And everything I need could be made in this country or with the money we would save we could go out and buy it on the world market. You know, free trade, no restrictions on a country because they offend us.

You win some, you loose some, and sometimes you hold the barbarians behind the wall of allies for 5 decades.

Freedom isn't free. It's not a question of if we're going to pay a price, just what price, and when and how we're going to pay it.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
You win some, you loose some, and sometimes you hold the barbarians behind the wall of allies for 5 decades.

The barbarians jumped the wall a long time ago.
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
“The barbarians.”

LOL

Grow the fugk up.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
You win some, you loose some, and sometimes you hold the barbarians behind the wall of allies for 5 decades.

Freedom isn't free. It's not a question of if we're going to pay a price, just what price, and when and how we're going to pay it.

Some of the more tender types are offended with the term "barbarians".

Personally I would suggest sticking to the term Orcs for the increased triggering of the weak minded and extra Lulz. grin
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/13/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
You win some, you loose some, and sometimes you hold the barbarians behind the wall of allies for 5 decades.

Freedom isn't free. It's not a question of if we're going to pay a price, just what price, and when and how we're going to pay it.

Some of the more tender types are offended with the term "barbarians".

Personally I would suggest sticking to the term Orcs for the increased triggering of the weak minded and extra Lulz. grin

I’d suggest trying to sell a rifle this month.

Dig deep.

LOL
Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/14/22
Anyone except AS, JB and Houston_2 would say we got screwed.

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Posted By: jaguartx Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Makes sense a follower of Baal like the OP would support us taxpayers sending Billions to Ukraine who then buys tons of FTX who sends millions back to support Dimocraps.

How much went to the WEF, sucker, a group dedicated to destroying the US, Russia and others as independant countries.

FTX, biggest Dimocrap financial backer next to George Soros.
Posted By: gunchamp Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Anyone except AS, JB and Houston_2 would say we got screwed.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
No hope for those 3 clowns. They cant process what is happening around the world
Posted By: KFWA Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Kentucky landed a recruit named DJ Wagner, so I was searching for Wagner news on twitter.

I ended up seeing multiple posts about a group called PMC Wagner. I suspect most of you know who they are. I did not.


so I looked up exactly what PMC Wagner is, they are a private military group that hires mercenaries. PMC stands for Private Military Company and wikipedia says , fwiw, they are the defacto private army for Putin.

I found multiple posts about a russian POW executed (apparently one of theirs) who was part of a prisoner exchange with Ukraine.

PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures. I guess they don't tolerate mercenaries getting caught as POWs. That's gotta be a rough way to go.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Sounds like BS, KFWA.
On the other hand, we have video of Ukrainians crucifying and burning a captured Eastern Ukrainian.
Posted By: akrange Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
None of this Normal..

Hahaha Hahaha

Psychopaths use to be considered NOT NORMAL..

It’s the Twilight Zone Bitches

Total Darkness to Follow..

Just Keep Staring in Utter Disbelief..

Hahaha Hahaha

Trust the Plan ..
Originally Posted by KFWA
Kentucky landed a recruit named DJ Wagner, so I was searching for Wagner news on twitter.

I ended up seeing multiple posts about a group called PMC Wagner. I suspect most of you know who they are. I did not.


so I looked up exactly what PMC Wagner is, they are a private military group that hires mercenaries. PMC stands for Private Military Company and wikipedia says , fwiw, they are the defacto private army for Putin.

I found multiple posts about a russian POW executed (apparently one of theirs) who was part of a prisoner exchange with Ukraine.

PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures. I guess they don't tolerate mercenaries getting caught as POWs. That's gotta be a rough way to go.

He was a prisoner let out early to serve the Wagner group. With the understanding that cutting and running or switching sides carried a death sentence.

Story I read said he was in for murder.

Meh, that did t even move the needle for me.
Posted By: rcamuglia Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
My friend, Mike Glover, just put up a good video for Veterans Day




24hrCF morons….

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


😂😂😂
Posted By: CashisKing Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Tonto speaks...

"Ke-mo sah-bee great man... when he wakey wakey he kick your assy assy."
Posted By: KFWA Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by KFWA
Kentucky landed a recruit named DJ Wagner, so I was searching for Wagner news on twitter.

I ended up seeing multiple posts about a group called PMC Wagner. I suspect most of you know who they are. I did not.


so I looked up exactly what PMC Wagner is, they are a private military group that hires mercenaries. PMC stands for Private Military Company and wikipedia says , fwiw, they are the defacto private army for Putin.

I found multiple posts about a russian POW executed (apparently one of theirs) who was part of a prisoner exchange with Ukraine.

PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures. I guess they don't tolerate mercenaries getting caught as POWs. That's gotta be a rough way to go.

He was a prisoner let out early to serve the Wagner group. With the understanding that cutting and running or switching sides carried a death sentence.

Story I read said he was in for murder.

Meh, that did t even move the needle for me.

I'm not pro Ukraine by any stretch, just noting - sledgehammer to the head

dayum.......

former prisoner eh? They just need the Russian Lee Marvin leading the team.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Kiev got hammered pretty good about an hour ago.

Somebody is going to have to airlift firewood and flashlights into Ukraine soon.
Posted By: Northman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.



They showed video as well...


Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.




.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Sounds like it's on again today,....quite a few missile strikes on what remains of Ukraines electricity and water infrastructure.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by KFWA
Kentucky landed a recruit named DJ Wagner, so I was searching for Wagner news on twitter.

I ended up seeing multiple posts about a group called PMC Wagner. I suspect most of you know who they are. I did not.


so I looked up exactly what PMC Wagner is, they are a private military group that hires mercenaries. PMC stands for Private Military Company and wikipedia says , fwiw, they are the defacto private army for Putin.

I found multiple posts about a russian POW executed (apparently one of theirs) who was part of a prisoner exchange with Ukraine.

PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures. I guess they don't tolerate mercenaries getting caught as POWs. That's gotta be a rough way to go.

He was a prisoner let out early to serve the Wagner group. With the understanding that cutting and running or switching sides carried a death sentence.

Story I read said he was in for murder.

Meh, that did t even move the needle for me.

That little piece of context, presuming it's true, really matters. We know Russia's using prisoners, so in that context, this would make perfect sense.

Spattering the rest of the prison unit with the brains of a deserter may prove an effective anti-desertion technique. Only problem is, if they desert to the other side, they'll fight to the death before getting recaptured.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Sounds like it's on again today,....quite a few missile strikes on what remains of Ukraines electricity and water infrastructure.

It's going to a very thirsty winter in the Crimea.
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Kiev got hammered pretty good about an hour ago.

Somebody is going to have to airlift firewood and flashlights into Ukraine soon.


Let the bastards freeze in the dark.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
fascinating fake news


Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.



They showed video as well...


Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.




.
Originally Posted by ribka
fascinating fake news


Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.



They showed video as well...


Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.

.

Hello Bot.

Do you feel better after getting reprogramed?
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Let’s not forget about the “Ghost of Kiev.”

LOL
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by ribka
fascinating fake news


Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.



They showed video as well...


Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.




.


It's amazing how many dumbasses buy into the CIA and USSD green screen propaganda.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by ribka
fascinating fake news


Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.
They showed video as well...

Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.
.

Well this will trigger a few.

I have a friend who was there. It was the Conoco Oil Field.

Wagner Getting Smashed in Syria by US Forces
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by deflave
Let’s not forget about the “Ghost of Kiev.”

LOL

They all got tattoos of him.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Orc cruise missles have struck Poland.

Dumb azz Orcs just love killing civilians.

Article 5 here we come. crazy
Posted By: bellydeep Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Orc cruise missles have struck Poland.

Dumb azz Orcs just love killing civilians.

Article 5 here we come. crazy


Fugking idiots are going to start WW3.

Why the hell would Russia even think about targets near the border?

Bongino saying he thinks it was intentional to prompt the US to pressure Ukraine into a peace deal before this mess goes nuclear.

Hell of a gamble if that’s the case. Vladimir thus far has not been very adept at guessing the West’s next move.
Who saw the attack ci a?
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
F Poland.
They deserve to lose power. They better be careful, Germany might go up against them.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
F Poland.
They deserve to lose power. They better be careful, Germany might go up against them.

Bless your little black Orc heart.

You've never seen distruction that didn't make you excited.
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Orc cruise missles have struck Poland.

Dumb azz Orcs just love killing civilians.

Article 5 here we come. crazy


Fugking idiots are going to start WW3.

Why the hell would Russia even think about targets near the border?

Bongino saying he thinks it was intentional to prompt the US to pressure Ukraine into a peace deal before this mess goes nuclear.

Hell of a gamble if that’s the case. Vladimir thus far has not been very adept at guessing the West’s next move.

Bongino is a uketard. I listen to him every day, and agree with him on many things, but not this shît He’s been a uketard from the jump
Posted By: Tyrone Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
F Poland.
They deserve to lose power. They better be careful, Germany might go up against them.

Bless your little black Orc heart.

You've never seen distruction that didn't make you excited.
F you.
Gamblers don't talk about their losses and you don't talk about all the game you've gutshot.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/15/22
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Tyrone
F Poland.
They deserve to lose power. They better be careful, Germany might go up against them.

Bless your little black Orc heart.

You've never seen distruction that didn't make you excited.
F you.
Gamblers don't talk about their losses and you don't talk about all the game you've gutshot.

LOL.
Posted By: ribka Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
I triggered the tranny bot ghost of Kiev again. lol

155 BILLION down the drain while American military vets are on food stamps

Saliva Ukraine!!!


Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
fascinating fake news


Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by KFWA
PMC Wagner executed him using a sledgehammer and posted the pictures.



They showed video as well...


Wagner is the same company that tried to attack US special forces base in Syria... couple of hundred Wagners against 40 or so Spec ops..

I think one American sprained his ankle...
And most of the Wagners where into collected in buckets afterwards.

.

Hello Bot.

Do you feel better after getting reprogramed?
Posted By: Hastings Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
I've always thought ribka was on the up and up. Not sure what a bot is but it doesn't sound like a compliment.
Originally Posted by Hastings
I've always thought ribka was on the up and up. Not sure what a bot is but it doesn't sound like a compliment.


Looks like his account been hacked and taken over by a Russian Chatbot.
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
I've always thought ribka was on the up and up. Not sure what a bot is but it doesn't sound like a compliment.


Looks like his account been hacked and taken over by a Russian Chatbot.
^^^^^^^^^^
Retard.
Posted By: kolofardos Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
I've always thought ribka was on the up and up. Not sure what a bot is but it doesn't sound like a compliment.


Looks like his account been hacked and taken over by a Russian Chatbot.

Nope, looks like your account has been hacked and taken over by the globohomos.
Posted By: add Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
I've always thought ribka was on the up and up. Not sure what a bot is but it doesn't sound like a compliment.


Looks like his account been hacked and taken over by a Russian Chatbot.
^^^^^^^^^^
Retard.

Worse.

He's a covtard.

Retards can have many redeeming qualities.
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Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Ukraine's president has delivered his nightly address.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy reminded people that, despite the news being dominated by what has happened in Poland, 90 missiles had also landed in Ukraine.

He said the missiles hit energy systems, enterprises and residential buildings, noting this had happened as soon as the first day of the G20 summit had ended.

He said about ten million Ukrainians do not have electricity at home, most of them in Kharkiv region Zhytomyr region, Kyiv region and Lviv region. Lviv and some other cities do not have heating. Across Ukraine, internet and other communications systems are intermittent, he added.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Russian heavy artillery — the Kremlin’s deadliest weapon against Ukraine — is still a superior force that has no mercy. Almost six months into the full-scale invasion, Russian advances remain generally stalled. But despite much effort with Western-provided advanced weaponry, Russia’s artillery force is still inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine and goes unanswered much too often.

Counter-battery fire, the tactic of hunting for and firing at the enemy’s artillery pieces, remains a weak spot in Ukraine’s military.

The Russian military indeed enjoys very strong numerical superiority. Ukraine, in turn, often lacks proper organization of counter-battery activities on the battlefield. It also falls short of qualified top-level specialists.

As a result, Russian artillery continues to devastate Ukrainian lines, causing Ukrainian infantry to pay an inflating price in blood.

Russia’s numerical superiority, and its endless munitions stock, the result of decades of Soviet production, have had a devastating effect on the course of the war. Russian tactics of rolling artillery barrage, simple but brutal and overwhelming, have paved the way for Russian infantry through charred Ukrainian ruins. It has left many cities in ashes. The disproportion between the number of Russian and Ukrainian pieces deployed to a particular front line area can go as far as 10 to 1.

According to estimates by Ukrainian artillery commanders polled by the Kyiv Independent, daily Russian munition expenditure in Ukraine’s east has been reduced from nearly 12,000-15,000 rounds to nearly 5,000-6,000, quite a relief to Ukraine’s military. The fight between the two nations’ artillery forces has been beyond brutal.

The progress was notable, but the introduction of superior Western systems has not brought radical changes in Russian superiority. Russian artillery is still extremely overwhelming and deadly as it continues to shell its way through Ukrainian defenses with extreme power. Yet another wake-up call occurred on Aug. 2, just days after the Russian-led militants launched a massive offensive in the town of Pisky, a ruined suburb just northwest of occupied Donetsk next to the city’s destroyed airport.

Amid fierce hostilities, Serhiy Gnezdilov, a squad leader with Ukraine’s 21st Motorized Infantry Battalion Sarmat, published a headline-making post on his Facebook page.

The soldier’s message, full of desperation and anger, describes the horrific situation in Pisky, attacked by Russians.

Within less than 24 hours, according to Gnezdilov, Russian artillery fired nearly 6,500 rounds upon Ukrainian defenses in the town. “It’s beyond one’s understanding how some of our infantry manages to survive under this burst of enemy fire,” he wrote.

Russian artillery methodically destroyed Ukrainian concrete defenses without facing any resistance from the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian counter-battery was not working at all, according to the message. “It’s a f*cking slaughter in which the battalion personnel is just deterring the offensive with their bodies,” the soldier wrote.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, serving Ukrainian artillery officers polled by the Kyiv Independent admitted that Ukrainian counter-battery activity remains largely problematic, mainly due to the lack of effective top-level organization.

In many cases, Russian successes were ensured not by its overwhelming advantage but by a problematic Ukrainian counter-artillery reaction. “The infantry has paid for those flaws with its blood,” a Ukrainian artillery officer told the Kyiv Independent.

tl;dr: SSDD, cuckraine losing.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Russian heavy artillery — the Kremlin’s deadliest weapon against Ukraine — is still a superior force that has no mercy. Almost six months into the full-scale invasion, Russian advances remain generally stalled. But despite much effort with Western-provided advanced weaponry, Russia’s artillery force is still inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine and goes unanswered much too often.

Counter-battery fire, the tactic of hunting for and firing at the enemy’s artillery pieces, remains a weak spot in Ukraine’s military.

The Russian military indeed enjoys very strong numerical superiority. Ukraine, in turn, often lacks proper organization of counter-battery activities on the battlefield. It also falls short of qualified top-level specialists.

As a result, Russian artillery continues to devastate Ukrainian lines, causing Ukrainian infantry to pay an inflating price in blood.

Russia’s numerical superiority, and its endless munitions stock, the result of decades of Soviet production, have had a devastating effect on the course of the war. Russian tactics of rolling artillery barrage, simple but brutal and overwhelming, have paved the way for Russian infantry through charred Ukrainian ruins. It has left many cities in ashes. The disproportion between the number of Russian and Ukrainian pieces deployed to a particular front line area can go as far as 10 to 1.

According to estimates by Ukrainian artillery commanders polled by the Kyiv Independent, daily Russian munition expenditure in Ukraine’s east has been reduced from nearly 12,000-15,000 rounds to nearly 5,000-6,000, quite a relief to Ukraine’s military. The fight between the two nations’ artillery forces has been beyond brutal.

The progress was notable, but the introduction of superior Western systems has not brought radical changes in Russian superiority. Russian artillery is still extremely overwhelming and deadly as it continues to shell its way through Ukrainian defenses with extreme power. Yet another wake-up call occurred on Aug. 2, just days after the Russian-led militants launched a massive offensive in the town of Pisky, a ruined suburb just northwest of occupied Donetsk next to the city’s destroyed airport.

Amid fierce hostilities, Serhiy Gnezdilov, a squad leader with Ukraine’s 21st Motorized Infantry Battalion Sarmat, published a headline-making post on his Facebook page.

The soldier’s message, full of desperation and anger, describes the horrific situation in Pisky, attacked by Russians.

Within less than 24 hours, according to Gnezdilov, Russian artillery fired nearly 6,500 rounds upon Ukrainian defenses in the town. “It’s beyond one’s understanding how some of our infantry manages to survive under this burst of enemy fire,” he wrote.

Russian artillery methodically destroyed Ukrainian concrete defenses without facing any resistance from the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian counter-battery was not working at all, according to the message. “It’s a f*cking slaughter in which the battalion personnel is just deterring the offensive with their bodies,” the soldier wrote.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, serving Ukrainian artillery officers polled by the Kyiv Independent admitted that Ukrainian counter-battery activity remains largely problematic, mainly due to the lack of effective top-level organization.

In many cases, Russian successes were ensured not by its overwhelming advantage but by a problematic Ukrainian counter-artillery reaction. “The infantry has paid for those flaws with its blood,” a Ukrainian artillery officer told the Kyiv Independent.

tl;dr: SSDD, cuckraine losing.

Here's the full unedited article with a link to the source:

https://kyivindependent.com/national/why-ukraine-struggles-to-combat-russias-artillery-superiority

Russian heavy artillery — the Kremlin’s deadliest weapon against Ukraine — is still a superior force that has no mercy.

Almost six months into the full-scale invasion, Russian advances remain generally stalled.

But despite much effort with Western-provided advanced weaponry, Russia's artillery force is still inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine and goes unanswered much too often.

Counter-battery fire, the tactic of hunting for and firing at the enemy’s artillery pieces, remains a weak spot in Ukraine’s military.

The Russian military indeed enjoys very strong numerical superiority. But Ukraine, in turn, often lacks proper organization of counter-battery activities on the battlefield. It also falls short of qualified top-level specialists.

As a result, Russian artillery continues to devastate Ukrainian lines, causing Ukrainian infantry to pay an inflating price in blood. New found power
A lot has changed since Ukraine ran out of its old Soviet-standard munitions stock as early as June. It had to essentially switch to NATO-standard munitions of foreign supplies and acquire dozens of Western-provided artillery pieces — and it had to do it fast.

Fortunately, this transitional period, one of the war’s most dramatic moments, was quick.

If it weren’t for scores of Western artillery pieces like U.S.-provided M777s and extensive munition supplies, Kyiv would have been beyond hopeless at this point.

Read also: Battle to end the war: Ukraine's chance to get edge over Russia

Russia's numerical superiority, and its endless munitions stock, the result of decades of Soviet production, have had a devastating effect on the course of the war.

Russian tactics of rolling artillery barrage, simple but brutal and overwhelming, have paved the way for Russian infantry through charred Ukrainian ruins. It has left many cities in ashes.

The disproportion between the number of Russian and Ukrainian pieces deployed to a particular front line area can go as far as 10 to 1.

But the acquisition of Western artillery, which is technologically superior to older Soviet pieces used by Russia, has saved Ukraine’s defensive campaign.

Of even more significant effect was the ongoing campaign to destroy dozens of Russian munition and fuel depots across the occupied territories of Ukraine with U.S.-provided HIMARS rocket systems.

Read also: Why is Russia so vulnerable to HIMARS in Ukraine?

The HIMARS campaign expectedly did not cause total munitions hunger in the Russian military. But it made Russia’s problematic logistics even more complicated and greatly reduced its ready-to-go munition stocks.

According to estimates by Ukrainian artillery commanders polled by the Kyiv Independent, daily Russian munition expenditure in Ukraine’s east has been reduced from nearly 12,000-15,000 rounds to nearly 5,000-6,000, quite a relief to Ukraine’s military.

The fight between the two nations’ artillery forces has been beyond brutal.

According to Oryx, an investigation project documenting war losses in Ukraine, Russia has lost at least 75 towed artillery pieces (including 32 152-millimeter 2A65 Msta-B howitzers) and at least 152 self-propelled pieces (including 46 152-millimeter 2S3 Akatsiya and 58 152-millimeter 2S19 Msta-S heavy pieces).

Ukraine’s losses are also significant: Oryx has documented at least 50 towed and 51 self-propelled artillery pieces being destroyed, damaged, or abandoned. Oryx also knows of eight M777A2 pieces destroyed or damaged, formerly part of over 100 pieces sent to Ukraine by the U.S., Australia, and Canada.

However, it should be noted that on both sides, not all artillery pieces were lost to counter-battery fire.

Read also: How Western heavy weaponry can make a difference in the war in Ukraine

According to estimates by Ukrainian experts, Russian numerical superiority has been somewhat reduced. Ukraine currently deploys nearly 500 artillery pieces against over 2,000 Russian systems. Some limited supplies of 152-millimeter rounds from former Warsaw Treaty nations re-enabled some of the older Soviet-standard Ukrainian pieces.

A weak spot
The progress was notable, but the introduction of superior Western systems has not brought radical changes in Russian superiority.

Russian artillery is still extremely overwhelming and deadly as it continues to shell its way through Ukrainian defenses with extreme power.

Yet another wake-up call occurred on Aug. 2, just days after the Russian-led militants launched a massive offensive in the town of Pisky, a ruined suburb just northwest of occupied Donetsk next to the city’s destroyed airport.

Amid fierce hostilities, Serhiy Gnezdilov, a squad leader with Ukraine’s 21st Motorized Infantry Battalion Sarmat, published a headline-making post on his Facebook page.

The soldier’s message, full of desperation and anger, describes the horrific situation in Pisky, attacked by Russians.

Within less than 24 hours, according to Gnezdilov, Russian artillery fired nearly 6,500 rounds upon Ukrainian defenses in the town.

“It’s beyond one’s understanding how some of our infantry manages to survive under this burst of enemy fire,” he wrote.

Russian artillery methodically destroyed Ukrainian concrete defenses without facing any resistance from the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian counter-battery was not working at all, according to the message.

“It’s a f*cking slaughter in which the battalion personnel is just deterring the offensive with their bodies,” the soldier wrote.

The Facebook post triggered a stir in Ukrainian media. Shortly after, the Ukrainian command sent reinforcements that gradually stabilized the situation in Pisky. Russian forces currently have nearly a third of the town under their control, following over two weeks of brutal combat.

Despite all the damage done by HIMARSs, Russia, especially in the Donbas, is still capable of concentrating its massive artillery power in certain front-line sections.

Read also: Ukraine targets Russia’s ammunition depots, undermining its artillery advantage

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, serving Ukrainian artillery officers polled by the Kyiv Independent admitted that Ukrainian counter-battery activity remains largely problematic, mainly due to the lack of effective top-level organization.

From their perspective, all main components of counter-battery warfare, especially target acquisition via observation points, radar detection, drones, and sound ranging, need to be improved. And target acquisition must be better synchronized with artillery pieces reacting fast to destroy revealed Russian weapons.

And all components need to work as a system and in cooperation with infantry units that should be holding the important local high ground points for artillery, which is often not the case, as artillerists said.

In many cases, Russian successes were ensured not by its overwhelming advantage but by a problematic Ukrainian counter-artillery reaction.

“The infantry has paid for those flaws with its blood,” a Ukrainian artillery officer told the Kyiv Independent.

Competent command
Today’s Ukrainian top command structure does not have a specific command and control body responsible exclusively for artillery.

Similarly to the General Staff, neither of the four Ukrainian main operational command headquarters (“North,” “South,” “East,” “West”) have command in charge of artillery.

This is the result of decentralization in the military – the restructuring that was made in an attempt to step away from the over-centralized Soviet military system and towards Western practices.

Before decentralization, top-level structures like army corps command were directly responsible for organizing and running counter-battery warfare. Brigade-level artillery command, in the meantime, was responsible for supporting the infantry on battlefields rather than hunting hostile artillery.

Now, due to lack of centralized command overseeing artillery, there’s inconsistency among the Ukrainian units and they have to fix it, says Oleh Zhdanov, a Kyiv-based retired senior artillery officer.

“Each of the larger front line sectors — like Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, or Kherson — should have at least one or two artillery brigades, that’s four artillery battalions,” Zhdanov said.

“An artillery brigade would be responsible exclusively for counter-battery warfare within the front line’s 100-150-kilometer-long section. It would work as part of the general reconnaissance system. As its forces get fresh data — it immediately goes out to suppress a Russian battery.”

Zhdanov says that each of Ukraine’s operational command headquarters should have a competent artillery department responsible for counter-battery warfare within their sectors.

But this process also needs to be properly organized, with effective communication between the brain and the muscle, to be able to destroy Russia’s most significant advantage over Ukraine.

“The move towards Western methods of working is happening,” said Glen Grant, a retired British Army officer and former adviser to Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense.

“But it is hampered by lack of communications, poor organizational structures, and still the heavy hand of the old concepts. What is missing still for Ukraine is to complete the decentralization of control artillery by improving the radio links, creating, equipping, and training more front line observer teams for battalions,” he said.

Grant continued, saying that there is a vital need to create a separate trade of artillery intelligence and ensure that they operate in all brigades and have direct radio or Wi-Fi links to every possible source of data about enemy artillery.

“Finally, we need a high-flying drone flying back from the enemy lines 50-100 kilometers with sideways-looking sensors to identify artillery positions and movement. Some of this is in place, but a better system will save lives and help win the war.”

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I hope you found it useful and interesting. I work day and night to bring you quality stories from Ukraine, where Russia is waging the biggest war in Europe since WWII. My little homeland, Donbas, is now the site of the worst fighting. We are helping to keep the world informed about Russian aggression. But I also need help from every one of you — to support Ukrainian wartime journalism by donating to the Kyiv Independent and becoming our patron. Together, we can help bring peace to Ukraine.

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Posted By: logger Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Wonder how much has changed in the 3 months since the publication of that article.
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by logger
Wonder how much has changed in the 3 months since the publication of that article.

HIMARS and Excaliber.

Game Changers.
Posted By: Mr_TooDogs Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
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Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
I’m dying to hear what Jake Tapper told antelope sniper to think the next 24 hours.

LOL
Posted By: deflave Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
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Holy schit.

LOL
Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Is an orc lover the same thing as a Putin pufter?
Originally Posted by smokepole
Is an orc lover the same thing as a Putin pufter?

Putin pufter is closer to a dirty Sanchez.
An orc lover is more like a blumpy.
Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by smokepole
Is an orc lover the same thing as a Putin pufter?

Putin pufter is closer to a dirty Sanchez.
An orc lover is more like a blumpy.

No way I'm googling that shìt.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by smokepole
Is an orc lover the same thing as a Putin pufter?

Putin pufter is closer to a dirty Sanchez.
An orc lover is more like a blumpy.

No way I'm googling that shìt.
I googled “dirty Sanchez” and all that populated was this one image.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by smokepole
Is an orc lover the same thing as a Putin pufter?

Putin pufter is closer to a dirty Sanchez.
An orc lover is more like a blumpy.

No way I'm googling that shìt.

All you need to know is that they share a common origin in that they all came from a blue waffle.
Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
I'm sure that would be funny if I got it.
Originally Posted by smokepole
I'm sure that would be funny if I got it.

Just google "blue waffle" under images and it will all become crystal clear.
Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by smokepole
No way I'm googling that shìt.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Only a retard would think that crater came from the small warhead of an S-300.

Least the 'fire won't hafta see this bullshit anymore:

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Post a single post where my Crytal Ball was not clear and spot on.
Posted By: efw Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
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Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Only a retard would think that crater came from the small warhead of an S-300.

Least the 'fire won't hafta see this bullshit anymore:

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Post a single post where my Crytal Ball was not clear and spot on.

LOL.

It does prove my point that before this one mistake I had a perfect record.

Out of the entire war I was wrong once.

Not bad.

Would you like me to find some of your many retard postings on the War?
Posted By: Raferman Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by efw
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🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😊
Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Only a retard would think that crater came from the small warhead of an S-300.

Least the 'fire won't hafta see this bullshit anymore:

Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Post a single post where my Crytal Ball was not clear and spot on.

LOL.

It does prove my point that before this one mistake I had a perfect record.

Out of the entire war I was wrong once.

Not bad.

Would you like me to find some of your many retard postings on the War?

Why would anyone be interested in the posts of a retard?
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Why would anyone be interested in the posts of a retard?

It's like killin baby seals.

Originally Posted by Fubarski
Maybe the krainetards can point out how this is good for the USA:

"One of the vaunted HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) sent to Ukraine by the United States, has been destroyed by the Russian Army.

We are told by sources in Europe this is the first of what will be quite a few more.

Apparently the Russians arranged to "buy" one of the US HIMARS from corrupt government soldiers/officers in Ukraine.

We are also told that Russia paid the cash, received it, took it apart, analyzed it, and has now found "multiple ways to track it, jam it, and destroy it."
Posted By: ironbender Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by smokepole
No way I'm googling that shìt.


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Posted By: smokepole Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/16/22
WTF, is that Conrad during his hippy phase?
Posted By: Rooster7 Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/18/22
Originally Posted by efw
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Holy Fughk!!


LOL
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Posted By: gunchamp Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Originally Posted by efw
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Lmfao!!
Posted By: gunchamp Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Originally Posted by stevelyn
Impossible. Just ask the uktards in here. They are kicking some serious ass
Posted By: JohnBurns Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by stevelyn
Impossible. Just ask the uktards in here. They are kicking some serious ass

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Posted By: Fubarski Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
Kiev is in the dark.

https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1593671132288122880

Ruble now up 21.4% vs the USD compared to last year

25% vs the Euro.
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Posted By: stevelyn Re: For all the Orc lovers - 11/20/22
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