https://theconservativetreehouse.co...g-ugly-and-were-here-for-it/#more-239661
This is a good read imo.

It’s The Big Ugly, and We’re Here For It

November 11, 2022 | Sundance | 42 Comments
Perhaps a little focus on the foundation of the issue is in order.

Ever since the professional republican apparatus decided to target, eliminate and destroy the grassroots movement known as the Tea Party, there was always going to come a time when the battle for the heart and soul of the GOP club would take place.

CTH has been calling this battle ‘The Big Ugly‘ for around a decade.

The Big Ugly battle is essentially the fight between the grassroots working class base of MAGA voters and the professional political snobs in control of the Republican club boardroom.

Some call it the ‘base’ -vs- the ‘establishment’. There are other names and catchphrases, but the essence of the dynamic is the same. A scruffy voting base, who, prior to Donald Trump, had no visible leader to represent their internal interests around the mahogany table.

Ordinary voters were in an abusive relationship with the people around the GOP boardroom. The Club needed our votes, and our money (less so after the Citizens United decision) but had no intention of ever actually delivering on the priorities of the voters. The republican political establishment played Lucy with the football for years, and We The People always ended up flat on our backs, continually frustrated and feeling used.

In the same year the Tea Party rose up, the Supreme Court gave the GOP Club legal access to unlimited corporate money with the 2010 Citizens United decision. Mitch McConnell used the newly unrestrained campaign finance mechanism to further diminish the influence of the unwashed masses and eliminate the movement; it’s all well documented.

For the next several years we watched and participated in a political pantomime with highlights to include the 2012 installation of Club member Mitt Romney to represent our interests. Yeah, whatever…. It was a hot mess. Bumper Sticker:



The base voters watched the GOP Corporate Club do nothing to block Obamacare, even after we gave them the House in 2010 midterms. Obamacare was another Lucy and the football scenario, while the senate wing of the Corporate Club created “comprehensive immigration reform,” including amnesty with Marco Rubio. Eventually, the bloom wore off the ruse and we dispatched Virginia club official Eric Cantor as a message to the Corporate Club to knock it off.

The Corporate Club didn’t and doesn’t care. Instead, while they sold out the working-class to the multinationals (TPA, TPP, Paris Climate, etc) they fought harder, gaslight more, and made even more promises they never intended to keep. Lucy had an unending supply of footballs.

Then in 2015 things changed. The voting base found a weapon for use against the Republican Club, the weapon’s name was Donald Trump. From the very first poll conducted after his 2015 announcement Trump was leading the charge, and that lead steamrolled 16 other Club approved candidates. The Club remained furious and vowed to remove the disrupter we sent into the boardroom.

Candidate Trump and President Donald Trump tried to deal with them fair and square on our behalf, but they rebuked him and us. The club schemed against him, connived in their little corporate groups to get rid of him, joined with the communists in common cause to cleanse the Club boardroom of the smell from oil, tar and fuel oil, and wanted that vulgarian representative of the dirty fingernail working class eliminated. They want only the “approved republican” presence.

So, it was always going to get ugly.

It was o always going to get Big Ugly.

The Club’s enlistment of former TPP approving congressman Ron DeSantis as a foil against the MAGA leader is transparent. DeSantis, funded by massive contributions from the Wall Street approval committee, replaces the prior approved candidate, Jeb. As a consequence, this Big Ugly battle was always going to end up with vulgarian Trump -vs- the next Jeb. The Club has selected DeSantis.

Now, let’s be clear. The Republican political establishment, which includes the entirety of the multinationals in/around it, hereafter just called ‘The Club’, doesn’t give a damn about actually winning the 2024 presidential race. The club didn’t give a damn when Romney was used either.

What the club wants is full control of the club agenda, that’s where the money is. The color of the flag atop the Capitol Hill dome is irrelevant to the activity that takes place beneath it. To understand, remind yourself of: The 2017 Obamacare repeal vote, 2015 TPA and fast track approval, 2015 Corker-Cardin amendment for Obama’s Iran Deal, 2014 Gang-of-Eight amnesty bill, or more recently the 2022 unlimited Ukraine funding.

Under the Capitol Hill dome both Club wings of the UniParty apparatus feed the multinational corporate vulture, regardless of the color of the flag atop the spire.

The Republican Club has no interest in Ron DeSantis becoming President of the United States. The Republican Club has interest in Donald Trump NOT becoming President of the United States. Ron DeSantis is the foil, nothing more. It’s not about Ron DeSantis, it’s about the Club, the mechanism behind Ron DeSantis – the same mechanism that put $200 million into his campaign as enticement for his usefulness.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis -vs- California Governor Gavin Newsom in 2024 is simply two clubs playing the illusion of choice game.

Ultimately, using history and modern politics as the perspective, if you really boil down the political sauce to its reduced state, what you find is with DeSantis the DNC Club needs less ballot collection to defeat him. However, that’s irrelevant to the intent of his usefulness for the GOP club.

For the professional GOP club, as openly expressed by the establishment politicians within it, the donors behind it and the media who promote it, the goal is to remove the populism within it and bring back the multinational Club alignment with the corporations. That alignment was severely damaged by President Trump and the America-First economic agenda.

The core of the Big Ugly battle is a Club motive based on money, power and boardroom affluence, in essence, GREED.

For ten plus years on these pages, I have written extensively about how there was always, always, going to be a point where the Big Ugly battle was going to have to be waged. We have waited and waited, looking at each moment, each conflict, each disparagement, each slight and snub, in hope the spark would ignite.

If the Big Ugly arrives in a contest between President Trump and Governor DeSantis, well, great; it needs to happen.

The bottom line is we need this Big Ugly fight. Not only does the future of the GOP reside in the outcome, the future of a constitutional republic free from corporatism is contingent upon it.

Yes, this fight is going to be big and it’s going to be ugly… and in the aftermath, hopefully lots of free footballs.

It's all so ugly and corrupt. I don't know what it will take to right the ship.

Good post, Dave.

This reminds me of The Battle of Gettysburg.

What began as a few minor skirmishes, erupted into the largest battle of the Civil War. Certainly in terms of casualties.

Hope you guys are up for it, because it's gotta happen.

Sundance nailed the DeSantis push from the beginning by these bastards.



And if this board is any example over the last couple days, it's been effective.

It’s sad how many here are falling all over themselves to suck Ron’s UniParty cock…nothing says fool like counting on a Harvard lawyer professional politician to be your savior.

👍👍👍👍👍👍



Take care, Willie

Yep

Anybody who supports DeSantis over Trump because he is more electable is a fool.

They’ll torpedo him just as enthusiastically as they did McLame and Romney.

They hate Trump and love DeSantis for a reason.

Good post OP.

In a nutshell,

Due to Trumps popularity with the base they need a corporate establishment republican that appears to have some of Trumps populist ideology in order to take the base back from Trump and appear to offer another but similar choice. Once in office assuming that he wins the presidency in 2024 he’ll act as another mostly centrist corporate republican.

Exactly.

It’s the left and establishment that have worked nonstop to try to make Trump unelectable and separate him from his base with illegitimate impeachments, raids on his home, “Russia Gate” and outright lies. For conservatives to then turn their backs on Trump because he’s unelectable is to cave to exactly what the establishment wants and it’s why they did it. Cucking to it and voting for someone else is a complete loser move IMO.

Or more likely they’ll call him more electable but he’ll lose to fraud in 24 but unlike The Donald he’ll not make a stink about it.

everybody knows the right answer is Wharton School of Business NYC real estate developer who really cares about the little guy!

Besides, He doesn't need the money!

p/s please send him some now, it's not for him, it's for you!

When both the Democrats and RINOS oppose Trump, take it to the bank that means that Trump was not, and will not, be BOUGHT! It means that TRUMP was the right choice in 2016, 2020 and 2024!

Too many of you fair weather "conservatives" seem like you want to leave the only president in decades that actually did what he said he would do. To not back Trump is to fall prey to the Dems and RINOs!

As long as he is in the race, I'll back President Trump.

Any time you see all media outlets drooling over a candidate and using him to browbeat Trump ask yourself why. Trump built the movement. He owns it.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, you can stop reading after the first paragraph. The Tea Party was not a grass roots movement. It was bankrolled by the Koch brothers.

Kill two birds with one stone. If DeSantis really is halfway sincere, odds are the establishment feels threatened by him too and they’ll be rid of both of them. DeSantis can capitalize off of his celebrity status and land a high paying job with Fox and speaking engagement’s and the beat goes on.

You can apply this to the Rez you grew up on..

Who would you be most enthusiastic to vote for?

Jen Bush or Joe Biden?

Eagerly awaiting the cogent and well reasoned (sarc emoji here)counter arguments to Sundance's Big Ugly piece from the Dump Trump crowd who showed their colors this morning in the "Trump mean mouthing Desantis" thread.

Dang! How'd I miss that? I got zippo!

There's two Trumps.

A: The campaign Trump.

B: The President Trump.

Campaign Trump said he would drain the swamp.

President Trump added the swamp to his administration.

The major parties make it easy to write in a candidate.

The Democrats showed their teeth so now they are jumping off the Trump Train.

I'm with Trump. Desantis can kma.

Trump and DeSantis must have a talk right now and work out what they want to do in 2024. Republican unity is an absolute must if MAGA is to win! Both are great men and I would vote for either. But we must avoid drama and present a united front against a determined Marxist enemy.
Trump for 4 then DeSantis for 8.

DeSantis is Swamp. There is not going to be "a talk".

Trump said DeSantis made a big mistake. He wasn't joking.

Hold On ..

It’s the Mean Trump ..

Right ..

That's your opinion and I respect that...I'm looking at the big picture...like I suggested, they need to work out together what they want to do in 2024....the Marxist regime wants to divide us big time.

DeFuture...

You’re a complete fraud.

You're exactly right, The GOP is trying to push Trump out with Desantis and Trump ain't gonna let it happen.

Trump is a fighter and he doesn't like to lose, this is exactly what we need! if you look back he is the only President in our lifetime that has at least tried to keep his promises, he was fought tooth and nail even by his own party but he tried and got a lot accomplished despite the Democrat and Republican parties.

He is exactly what is needed if we plan on winning this Country back for our kids and grand kids, If you want your kids and grand kids to live in the Demotard Utopia keep going the way your going if not get on the Trump train and don't look back at the Retards!

It almost like he's Sycamore's alter ego................

I agree this would be ideal but DeSantis isn’t independent enough and is being funded such that he hasn’t the say he’d need to make this happen.

Bingo! He's bought and paid for.

I like the Desantis attitude but he went to running with the wrong people.

Good post.

I’ll be a Trump guy until the bitter end!

I must be one of those despicable Mega MAGA white, Christian nationalists….although none of those words separate or together cause me the slightest bit of embarrassment. In fact I’m proud to be a white Christian that loves his country and for once in his life he loved his president rather than being barely able to stomach his president.

Trump has my loyalty and I believe he actually got a good look into what a massive opponent he faced with the deep state and I believe he’ll be better prepared, he’s far more learned now and he hopefully will be less trusting of DC creatures no matter what!

He’s been unequivocally the best president in my lifetime and the first president I voted for, rather than against his opponent.

Yeah well it’s not Desantis that’s screwing up the country. And Trump comes off as unhinged with his dumb ass comments of late. I truly appreciated his Presidency but he’s doing nobody any favors with his recent bullshit. “Everyone who won is because of me, if they lost, it’s their fault”. That’s A message that will win you votes.

This is a False Flag skirmish, just as we're the ones with Sessions, Barr, Bannon, Pence, etc.

Younkin will be the next person the left and Rinos try to incorporate to bust Trump up.

Working together would be nice, but they CAN’T, Trump is an outsider shunned, demonized and attacked buy his own party, DeSantis on the other hand is 100% Establishment funded and approved

. For DeSantis to stay connected and sponsored by the “Establishment” he MUST go to war with Trump, or he is finished.

This will tell you all you need to know about the Trump-DeSantis war and who and what is behind it

President Trump Fires Back Against Ron DeSantis, Con Inc and Coordinated Narrative Midterm Effort

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...nd-coordinated-narrative-midterm-effort/

DeSantis was coached.

He made all the right moves, all the right pressers, all the right MAGA jargon, setting himself up as a younger less offensive MAGA candidate.

But now the cat is out of the bag and it was all an illusion.

An illusion to make us think that DeSantis was a MAGA guy and an AMERICA FIRST GUY, basically a younger smoother Trump.

But in reality , DeSantis is just another ESTABLISHMENT Yes Man beholding to the Cabal, or whatever term you wish to call it.

Fu*ck Him, he has shown his true colors of the last several weeks, and it ain’t pretty

The war is coming and will be the total destruction of the GOP.

The Trump DeSantis war will divide the party, fracture the party strengthen the Democrat Party.

I’m OK with this, in fact I encourage it, if the GOP refuses to listen to their base, intensionally loses election, just to stop the MAGA movement then let-er-rip, the Democrats are going to stay in control no matter what, so in the mean time let’s blows The RNC and the Republican Party out of the water and destroy it.

Go Trump.

This Round is Going to be very Brutal..

It’s clear Rona, The Donkey , McLuntz and the rest are going straight for the Kill ..

Fast ..

I still like the Odd’s if Trump Declares..

The Country Club Green Jackets Vs Trump


Are You Ready to Rumble…


Hahaha Hahaha

Good article IMO. Desantis is a little bit of a hack. I tend to label him as better than the two opponents he has faced for the goobernator's office, but it was a case of voting against them rather than for the D. Harvard Law -Hint-

I'm not real fond of Ronnie the Rapscallion.

[quote=, A scruffy voting base, who, prior to Donald Trump, had no visible leader to represent their internal interests around the mahogany table.[/quote]

This ☝️ is exactly why the working man was, is & always will be loyal to President Trump. We have never had a president go to bat for us like President Trump and his family did!

Those that are saying they are moving away from Trump are either lies made up by the Fake Media or have forgotten the amount of fighting and sacrifice President Trump has done on our behalf.