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Who did it JFK's

1 Oswald alone per Warren Commission
2 LBJ
3 CIA
4 FBI
5 Mafia
6 Cubans
7 Something else
8 All of the above

Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic
Yes, now get on with your life.
it was the mafia. . . Organized crime contributed most heavily to the democratic party when Kennedy was elected under the pretense of Cuba being invaded and Castro and his socialist henchmen thrown out. That way, the mafia could return to making obscene amounts of money in Havana the way they did pre-revolution. When that didn't happen, Kennedy paid the price
Government hit. He was hit 7 days after announcing he was going to expose the biggest corruption in America.
I recall a Gun book showing Casero using US supplied M1 rifles.
I would guess Mafia supplied the players...but it couldn't have happened without CIA involvement.
Government/ dem party.
Anything else would have been open for public consumption.
The film with the body reaction and rear trunk lid a mess of brains told the story.

Osky
It was Mordor..

Just like Today..

Try and Dismantle it ya get Russian Collusion, Hookers Peep’n on The Kings Bed , Ukie Phone Calls , The Vastness of Evil Do’r in your Administration..

Nice Thing is their not as Blunt About it as in the Ole Days ..

Not Yet Anyways..

They are Capable of the Most Egregious Acts ..

Viruses cum to Mind ..

Happy Thanksgiving Norman Rockwell
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
Roger Stone’s book about LBJ makes a lot of sense. It was a combination of a butt hurt CIA over Cuba. The mafia over Cuba and broken promises old joe made to get him elected. LBJ’s connections with the mafia, cia, big oil and his megalomaniacal agenda and hate. Kennedy was going to make a run at cutting the oil depletion allowance. He and Bobby were hitting the mafia hard. LBJ was in the position to cover it up using federal resources.
I’ve always had some interest in who may have been involved but it happened well before I was born. I have no firsthand context for the times or political environment that it occurred in and have never looked into the possible motives other than hearing them brought up from time to time.
It was Oswald alone.

1. We know that some of the shots were fired from Oswald's rifle.

2. Any real conspiracy would be unlikely to take in a kook like Oswald.

3. Any real conspiracy would have included some escape plan for the shooter.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.


Get your booster?
The CIA was definitely butt hurt. Dulles and others were sacked. The Mayor of Dallas was the the brother of a sacked CIA exec.
Stone's book points to LBJ, FBI, MAFIA, CIA (George Bush was in Dallas that day).
JFK was going to Close the CIA Down ..

Make Hoover a Real Life Queen..

Bobbie Knew ..

So they Broken Arrow’d JFK thinking that takes Bobbie out of the Picture..

When Bobbie ran for President they had to Hummus Him ..

Harvard and Yale got plans for Somebody Else and it ain’t a Free Bagel ..
Mob and deep state
I was on the elementary playground at the Whittier School when I heard about it. I thought it was kind of neat to hear of the shooting, not knowing how tragic it really was. I remember how many kids stayed home from school to watch the funeral as their parents told them how historic this event was.

All the aftermath and speculation that still exists is interesting. We visited the site last winter and the distance from the book depository to the location of Kennedy when he was shot is not as far as they made it sound. 3 shots in a matter of seconds is easy to do when you start with the gun loaded and reload twice after the first shot.

The mystery still seems unsolved today, although there are many others that speculate as many as 11 shots fired. After visiting the site and talking to some of the people hanging around there with all sorts of pamphlets and documents stating multiple shooters, I can't make any conclusions myself from all that data. I do find it hard to swallow all the various shooters and combined timing of the shots, and to claim there were 11 is also hard to believe.


We spent quite a bit of time looking for Oswald's grave, it isn't easy to find.

While we were in Hico, Texas, they have a museum that has similar evidence that Billy The Kid actually got out of New Mexico alive and lived to an old age in Texas. It is obvious that lying and misrepresenting facts, isn't something new...



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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It was Oswald alone.

1. We know that some of the shots were fired from Oswald's rifle.

2. Any real conspiracy would be unlikely to take in a kook like Oswald.

3. Any real conspiracy would have included some escape plan for the shooter.

Quod erat demonstrandum.


Oswald was the perfect ideological dupe. Any planning of an escape for Oswald was no concern to anyone but him. Everything played out perfectly for those behind the curtain.

Osky
LBJ/Parr's
Did Oswald act totally alone or was there a conspiracy? Given the lawless behavior of the CIA and FBI we've all seen over the last several years I've come to believe it's possible that one or both of those agencies were somehow involved. The CIA is refusing to release thousands of documents relating to the assassination, Why? You've got to ask yourself who had the most to gain by JFK's death? Who had the ability and means to carry it out?
This is the guy. Evil lurks in those eyes.



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Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It was Oswald alone.

1. We know that some of the shots were fired from Oswald's rifle.

2. Any real conspiracy would be unlikely to take in a kook like Oswald.

3. Any real conspiracy would have included some escape plan for the shooter.

Quod erat demonstrandum.


Oswald was the perfect ideological dupe. Any planning of an escape for Oswald was no concern to anyone but him. Everything played out perfectly for those behind the curtain.

Osky

Indy and his Covtard logic . LMAO
His own party wanted him gone.
I believe it was the Mafia and LBJ. Joseph (John and Robert's dad) was neck deep in the mafia. Remember he made his millions bootlegging booze during prohibition. When Robert was made Attorney General, he promised to go after organized crime, thus biting off the hand that fed them.

I think LBJ saw the chance to get in the white house, so he made a deal with the mafia and the rest is history. When Robert ran for president in 1968, LBJ was running for re-election. After the NH primary, in which Robert beat LBJ, LBJ pulled out of the race for the presidency. Again my belief, but I believe if Robert had been elected president, he would have gone after LBJ and the mafia. They had to get rid of him, too.

Also, it's been said that JFK Jr. asked LBJ 'why did you kill my daddy'. How would a 3 yr old suspect something like that if they hadn't heard it from adults, probably his mom.

Again just my belief, but I think the 'higher ups' in the gov knew what happened, but they knew if they rocked the boat, they would be assassinated also, thus the coverup, or lack of knowing anything about it.
JFK threatened the Swamp. CIA not having any of that.

Present times it's not fashionable to assassinate sitting POTUS, that's why President Trump remains alive, though the Swamp is using different tools to assassinate him.
3 and 5
Oswald never fired a shot. He really was a patsy'

Read;"THE MAN WHO KILLED KENNEDY" by Roger Stone, I'm vey skeptical of everything but especially of what I read and he made a believer out of me. Great book! There are other very well researched reads but this is the best, IMO. He meticulously breaks down all of the following in great detail.

LBJ
J Edgar Hoover
CIA...remember "a thousand pieces" similar to Trump's threat to "drain the swamp"
Big Oil
Mafia...all had reasons and all had a hand in it, but LBJ was the main architect. It wasn't the first murder, or the last, that LBJ had done.
Several years back I read a book titled (IIRC), Making of a Mossad Agent, which told the processes of becoming and working as an Israeli Intelligence operative. It briefly mentioned the Mossad doing their own investigation into the JFK assassination for the purpose of finding out the truth as to what went down, who was REALLY behind it, their interest being whether it could cause Israel problems. Per the book, they found out what they wanted to know and satisfied that it wouldn't effect Israel in any way, they just let it go and went on about tending to their own affairs.
If you read this stuff and look at some of the evidence, it is compelling. At the end of the day, Kennedy is dead and even if he wasn't assasinated then, he would still be dead now...



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K80titus: Rooskies!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by viking
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.


Get your booster?

Are you going through life ignorant?
Originally Posted by shrapnel
We visited the site last winter and the distance from the book depository to the location of Kennedy when he was shot is not as far as they made it sound. 3 shots in a matter of seconds is easy to do when you start with the gun loaded and reload twice after the first shot.

Man, that statement is so true.

After watching all the history shows they make it out to be some miraculous, almost impossible shot to make. Then when you're actually standing there you realize you could've made that shot with a slingshot.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It was Oswald alone.

1. We know that some of the shots were fired from Oswald's rifle.

2. Any real conspiracy would be unlikely to take in a kook like Oswald.

3. Any real conspiracy would have included some escape plan for the shooter.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
1, you "know" that cause the govt told you that.

2- any real conspiracy would include a patsy.

3- see number 2.
Is there any credibility to James files claim? I know he didn’t give the order but that he’s the one that actually took the shot. I know his story hasn’t changed from when he was in prison, and since he has been released.
LBJ
All yall are crazy. Q did it as part of the plan...needed a 80 year delta.
Ask Jag
JFK MLK and Malcolm X were all killed by their own people
Of course...it mighta been Trump...he's gotten blamed for everything else...
I’ve stood in that window multiple times. Could easily make that shot with any modern rifle.
Oswald being a shooter is plausible from that fact alone.
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
Government hit. He was hit 7 days after announcing he was going to expose the biggest corruption in America.


The Skull and Bones Society.

CY A Job with LBJs and G Bush's help. He had promised, "I will blow the CY A into a thousand pieces for the wind to blow away". He was also going to have the illegal Federal Reserve Bank audited and destroy it.

Remember G Bush and his NWO?

The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.

The CY A is the strong arm of the Illuminati's WEF as is the Mossad and Britains M 6.

The CY A had agents in the WH intercepting Trumps foreign correspondence and leaking it to destroy Trump.
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
Government hit. He was hit 7 days after announcing he was going to expose the biggest corruption in America.


+1 , the worm tuned, It twisted upon the arrival of the Klintoons
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
Government hit. He was hit 7 days after announcing he was going to expose the biggest corruption in America.


The Skull and Bones Society.

CY A Job with LBJs and G Bush's help. He had promised, "I will blow the CY A into a thousand pieces for the wind to blow away". He was also going to have the illegal Federal Reserve Bank audited and destroy it.

The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.

The CY A is the strong arm of the Illuminati's WEF as is the Mossad and Britains M 6.

The CY A had agents in the WH intercepting Trumps foreign correspondence and leaking it to destroy Trump.

Told ya
La Cosa Nostra
Any of the above except Oswald. Read up on the magic bullet.
Someone ask Jag if he likes democrats. I know it's not Olympic times but the mental gymnastics will be fantastic!
Oswald did the shooting and LBJ was behind it.
Originally Posted by RHutch
I’ve stood in that window multiple times. Could easily make that shot with any modern rifle.
Oswald being a shooter is plausible from that fact alone.

BS. 2 shots were almost simultaneous. You can't make the shot from there which hit him in the front right Temple and took a patch of skull from the back of his head that landed on the Limousine trunk and knocked his head back with the hit.

You go ahead and believe LBJ if you wish. The House committee on Assainations ruled a conspiracy w more than one gun but said they didn't know who the other perps were.

There is a reason the Govt hasn't yet revealed the true story.
CIA working in conjunction with the mob! Kennedy talked of disbanding the CIA, and he a brother where hitting the mob pretty hard!

I believe that Jim Garrison (Trail of the Assassins book) had it pretty well figured out! A good read! memtb
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
.........Sorry MAC...You and the many believers of the "Oswald acted Alone" crap, never, never, and never some more, match or reconcile forensically Kennedy's head wounds with shots fired from the 6th floor when expressing opinions that Oswald acted alone....Perhaps you can explain medically and from a forensic standpoint, how ONE 160gr 6.5mm round nosed FMJ bullet fired from the rear can leave a gaping and evulsed hole several inches in diameter in the right rear of the skull as ALL 16 of the attending docs at Parkland saw with their own eyes???....How can a 6.5mm round nosed bullet fired from the rear create such a hole???....IT CANNOT.....Suggest you go on you tube and type in the search bar,,,Robert Grodin Absolute Proof" and watch that video. Even analyzing the Z film frame by frame I that video proves that there was more than one shooter firing from different directions.....
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by RHutch
I’ve stood in that window multiple times. Could easily make that shot with any modern rifle.
Oswald being a shooter is plausible from that fact alone.

BS. 2 shots were almost simultaneous. You can't make the shot from there which hit him in the front right Temple and took a patch of skull from the back of his head that landed on the Limousine trunk and knocked his head back with the hit .


BS. Someone did.

Hint: Q.
"Mortal Error"
Caroline Kennedy reported that when her mother Jackie was dying on her death bed she said LBJ had her dad killed.

Recordings are available where Robert Kennedy called LBJ later and asked him point blank on the phone why he had his brother killed.
CIA and MAFIA combined. There was a history, CIA hired the Mafia and paid hundreds of thousands to do the hit on Castro.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Caroline Kennedy reported that when her mother Jackie was dying on her death bed she said LBJ had her dad killed.

Recordings are available where Robert Kennedy called LBJ later and asked him point blank on the phone why he had his brother killed.

What's that prove? Safariman, a man of God, said his dad was murdered?

Believe that too?

Ymmv
Best theory? That accounts for everything?

Kennedy wasn't assassinated. The whole thing was a trauma psyop in order to move the nation in a different direction. All the "conspiracy theories" are a distraction, and a psyop of their own, meant to discredit anyone who doesn't subscribe to any "official narrative."
Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by viking
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.


Get your booster?

Are you going through life ignorant?

One on the shooters admitted to hitting him from the front on his death bed but none want to believe the truth - that our Govt was the culprit.

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The world is full of suckers and you're one of them.

You forget, Kennedy said we would never be in a war in Vietnam. Do you know how many Billions LBJs wife's family made with their holdings in Bell Helicopter, Sea Container and Brown and Root?

Do you know what Brown and Root did in Vietnam?
The 6.5 fmj bullet is a great straight line, penetrating bullet in military guise. Bell used similar bullets and loads on big critters. It does not veer very easily and is not a first choice to make cantaloupes and gourds explode....
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Caroline Kennedy reported that when her mother Jackie was dying on her death bed she said LBJ had her dad killed.

Recordings are available where Robert Kennedy called LBJ later and asked him point blank on the phone why he had his brother killed.

What's that prove? Safariman, a man of God, said his dad was murdered?

Believe that too?

Ymmv

Hey govt man, asker of people what work they do, where they live, etc. Never any pics of you hunting or fishing or family or your work. Where do you live? Huh?

Go to hell you low life Govt POS.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by viking
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.


Get your booster?

Are you going through life ignorant?

One on the shooters admitted to hitting him from the front on his death bed but none want to believe the truth - that our Govt was the culprit.

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The world is full of suckers and you're one of them.

You forget, Kennedy said we would never be in a war in Vietnam. Do you know how many Billions LBJs wife's family made with their holdings in Bell Helicopter, Sea Container and Brown and Root?

Do you know what Brown and Root did in Vietnam?


Which shooter? What's his name? Was he convicted?

Regards
Originally Posted by k80titus
Who did it JFK's

1 Oswald alone per Warren Commission
2 LBJ
3 CIA
4 FBI
5 Mafia
6 Cubans
7 Something else
8 All of the above

Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic


Mafia made the hit. The rest were complicit.
There is zero doubt in my mind that it was the Sicilian Mafia. It was a classic mob hit.
The dots are not hard to connect.
It ALL started back in the 1940s with FDR and WWII. FDR contacted Lucky Luciano through contacts, and asked for mob help in the allied invasion of Sicily/Italy. The mob wanted the Nazis out of Sicily more than the Allies did. Luciano cut the deal and paved the way for the Patton and Montgomery lead invasion with Mafia espionage and assassination of key Nazi officers. As most everyone knows when the Mafia does you a favor, YOU OWE THE MAFIA A FAVOR.
Later on the Mafia established the fancy hotels, casinos, and whore houses in Cuba and were making millions.
Enter Fidel Castro and the Cuban revolution which closed off Havana and shut down the mob business. The Mafia calls in their marker and tells Kennedy to to get Castro and the Communist party out of Cuba.
Kennedy got cold feet and backs out in the Bay of Pigs invasion probably due to the fact that the CIA told him that the Russians were heavily involved there at that time and he should avoid any situation which would escalate tensions with the nuclear armed antagonizing Soviets. Something which morphed anyway in the following months.
The Kennedy’s knew the Sicilian Mafia would not be happy about this. I am pretty sure that old man “Joe Kennedy” (a mobster himself) had his hand on the pulse and suggested that Bobby use his federal powers as the Attorney General to go after “organized crime” i.e. the Sicilian Mafia, and he did just that. Read your history books on that.
This just added gasoline, matches and black gun powder to the fire.
The mafia sent in hit men who entered in through Mexico to Brownsville, TX. They then went to Dallas and did exactly what mob hit men do. (There was even a show on the History Channel depicting this very same thing including the Luciano connection)
I do believe that Oswald was there and did fire shots but he was the “patsy”, the fall guy. All other mouths were shut by one means or another just like Oswald’s was. Again, classic Mafia. Jack Ruby was known to have mob connections and being an insider with the Dallas PD was utilized to kill Oswald before he talked.
The CIA has had a long history of communication and dealings with the Mafia and even utilizing their help at various times. This has been in the national media several times in the past few decades.
I am certain the Mafia would have used this fact if the CIA were to leak anything. I am also certain that LBJ knew what was going to happen before it happened and welcomed it. He might have even given the mob details on the planned motorcade. And as someone here posted earlier, George Parr could have had a hand in it also.
NO, no one with any clout or evidence will talk about the JFK assassination. The Mafia always has had and will have long tentacles. After all, unlike the newer drug cartels, the Sicilian Mafia dates back over 500 years.
By the way have any of you seen any of the pictures of the bodies they are finding along the receding shoreline of Lake Meade?
I don't have a theory as to what actually happened. About the only thing I can be sure of is that the govt version is as far from the truth as you can get, and still be believable enough to fool the stupid.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Caroline Kennedy reported that when her mother Jackie was dying on her death bed she said LBJ had her dad killed.

Recordings are available where Robert Kennedy called LBJ later and asked him point blank on the phone why he had his brother killed.

What's that prove? Safariman, a man of God, said his dad was murdered?

Believe that too?

Ymmv

Here corksucker.

Too bad You Tube took down the video of LBJs own lowyer saying LBJ admitted the killing of JFK to him.

Clue: Trump said he would release the truth on the JFK Assassination when he became President. He
later released a small part of the report and said that due to those still living whose close family was involved he couldn't release all the report. He was afraid of retribution being taken out on them.

You learned the CIA -Commie playbook well. Attack others by calling them kooks or racists in order to discredit him.

Well, news groups did report on what Jackie told Caroline. Go lay your BS on them.

Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It was Oswald alone.

1. We know that some of the shots were fired from Oswald's rifle.

2. Any real conspiracy would be unlikely to take in a kook like Oswald.

3. Any real conspiracy would have included some escape plan for the shooter.

Quod erat demonstrandum.


Oswald was the perfect ideological dupe. Any planning of an escape for Oswald was no concern to anyone but him. Everything played out perfectly for those behind the curtain.

Osky
I tend to agree with you. I think Oswald did the shooting but who put him up to it ?? We know he was a commie who lived in Russia for a couple of years and then came back to America. You know he had to of come into contact with the CIA on at least one occasion and that was to get back into America. Did he want to come back on his own or was he "coerced" into coming back ? I guess we will never know.

kwg
So many ignorant Fucqs. Get your boosters and wear your masks…the govt said it’s important.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
His own party wanted him gone.

Redux ..

30 pieces of Silver ..


Wray Wray got a A Team ..

They specialize in Rousing Old Men Late at Night but you can count on them ..

Ida Amin has one ..

Mycorrhiza has some ..

That whole Town Full of Blood Thirsty Kill’a ..
There had to be a conspiracy, otherwise how would Oswald have known to be working at the book suppository months before Kennedy's entourage drove by? Oswald himself was truly an enigma. Marine, lived in Russia, was allowed to bring his Russian wife to the US after having renounced his American citizenship, so many other oddities. The government in some form was certainly involved. My guess is the CIA and the mob.
Originally Posted by k80titus
Who did it JFK's

1 Oswald alone per Warren Commission
2 LBJ
3 CIA
4 FBI
5 Mafia
6 Cubans
7 Something else
8 All of the above

Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic


If [Mafia = FBI = CIA = media] then Oswald was a patsy.... but i doubt it....still I question if Dorothy Kilgallen got the Marilyn Monroe treatment.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.
Someone planted an iceberg in the North Atlantic.
You Texans need to come and get your boy.
About all I could add is of the hundreds of critters I have shot in my lifetime I can't recall once a piece coming back toward me like the piece of JFK's hair/skull did that Jackie reached for on the trunk of that car.
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Marine, lived in Russia, was allowed to bring his Russian wife to the US after having renounced his American citizenship, so many other oddities.

Oswald was on the CIA payroll. He was sent to Russia to squeal on the Gary Powers U2 flights. Which he did. The CIA wanted to provoke conflict with Russia (sound familiar?).

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Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
Except that Oswald was a CIA employee and had been for years.

Where does one think a poor schmuck with no reliable source of income gets the money to buy airline tickets and flit all over the globe?

Oswald was a sacrificial lamb. He had to be silenced before he started talking. Bobby had to be killed before he gained the power to expose the players.

If Oswald just got lucky, the other two would not have needed to die. And the investigative report would not have to be locked away until everyone else was dead.
He worked for the CIA?
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
He worked for the CIA?

Yup - Watch "Frame 313 - The JFK Assassination Theories" - Amzon Prime
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
You left out The Comedian.

"Back, and to the left."

There is no way Oswald made that fatal head shot from behind.

Deep state hit from the grassy knoll. Oswald was the fall guy.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
Oswald was a CIA patsy. Why else would he have the dumbest "get away" plan in the history of the planet? He was set-up to take the fall.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it.
........You're an idiot...Don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone from any medical of forensic standpoint...Just a stupid comment......Too challenging for ya?
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Back, and to the left."

There is no way Oswald made that fatal head shot from behind.

Deep state hit from the grassy knoll. Oswald was the fall guy.
This.
JFK was a good beginning- - - -too bad LBJ and RMN didn't achieve room temperature in the same manner. Better to smoke 3 politicians than lose all the guys who didn't make it back from SEA!
Yeah, Mac, if you call getting dead lucky, Oswald got lucky.

He idolized JFK and had JFK tats.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Morewood
"Back, and to the left."

There is no way Oswald made that fatal head shot from behind.

Deep state hit from the grassy knoll. Oswald was the fall guy.
This.

Truth.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it.
........You're an idiot...Don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone from any medical of forensic standpoint...Just a stupid comment......Too challenging for ya?

Awe... Calm down Francis. Laffin boy got himself all out of sorts WTH?
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
,......Look who the real dumb [bleep] is.....Still don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone....Daaaaaaaa,,, which way did we go George, which way did he go....Daaaaaa.....Too challenging for ya there Grizzy.
Originally Posted by LRoyJetson
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.
Someone planted an iceberg in the North Atlantic.
You Texans need to come and get your boy.

Wow! A dot too far?

Jag’s starting early today.

Blessed Thanksgiving to all.
The JFK SS was ordered to stand down so the hits could be made.

Someone tell me how Oswald got them to do that. Sheesh. crazy



Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
,......Look who the real dumb [bleep] is.....Still don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone....Daaaaaaaa,,, which way did we go George, which way did he go....Daaaaaa.....Too challenging for ya there Grizzy.
You give a fuqk, I don't so we're all listning. Choking on your turkey yet LOL
Originally Posted by AKwolverine
Originally Posted by LRoyJetson
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.
Someone planted an iceberg in the North Atlantic.
You Texans need to come and get your boy.

Wow! A dot too far?

Jag’s starting early today.

Blessed Thanksgiving to all.

You suckers are like 4th graders. This is what you think of when people talk about connecting dots, and that is why you can't.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by AKwolverine
Originally Posted by LRoyJetson
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.
Someone planted an iceberg in the North Atlantic.
You Texans need to come and get your boy.

Wow! A dot too far?

Jag’s starting early today.

Blessed Thanksgiving to all.

You suckers are like 4th graders. This is what you think of when people talk about connecting dots, and that is why you can't.

Tell me more about this iceberg conspiracy jag.
Originally Posted by ingwe
LBJ

^^^This^^^

I’m sure many others were involved, but LBJ gave the order and set it in motion.
It’s the only way the POS was ever going to be POTUS.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
,......Look who the real dumb [bleep] is.....Still don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone....Daaaaaaaa,,, which way did we go George, which way did he go....Daaaaaa.....Too challenging for ya there Grizzy.
You give a fuqk, I don't so we're all listning. Choking on your turkey yet LOL
.......... 😂 😂.....Nope Sorry to disappoint ya there clown....C'mon make yer case Oswald acted by his lonely self....How about doing that....What a concept uh.....That's the problem with u Oswald acted alone folk ...The medical evidence and the forensic science does not support your case......Looking forward to your next post with your complete and thorough explanation... 😂 😂
Originally Posted by shrapnel
We spent quite a bit of time looking for Oswald's grave, it isn't easy to find.


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Yes it is. Was at that Cemetery about 15 years ago for the graveside ceremony / burial for my best friends Grandmother. It’s a big Cemetery.
Me and a couple of buds found it after a few hours.
Probably another lying Deputy Sheriff

Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
,......Look who the real dumb [bleep] is.....Still don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone....Daaaaaaaa,,, which way did we go George, which way did he go....Daaaaaa.....Too challenging for ya there Grizzy.
You give a fuqk, I don't so we're all listning. Choking on your turkey yet LOL
.......... 😂 😂.....Nope Sorry to disappoint ya there clown....C'mon make yer case Oswald acted by his lonely self....How about doing that....What a concept uh.....That's the problem with u Oswald acted alone folk ...The medical evidence and the forensic science does not support your case......Looking forward to your next post with your complete and thorough explanation... 😂 😂
I'll get right on it fool just hang in there and keep waiting LOL. What an ass...
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by MAC
Oswald got lucky. There is NO way there is or was some big conspiracy because over the last 60 years somebody would have talked. If anybody has ever got to Dallas and been to the place Oswald shot from they will see that is a very easy shot to make. Going dead away and less than 70 yards. Easy shot at a slow moving target. Perfect set up for a punk to get lucky.
This. Oawald did all the shooting that day. The Russian's put him up to it, the CIA was on to it and just let it happen.
........Complete BS.....Same goes to you that I told MAC in my earlier post on this thread.....When the hell are you Oswald acted alone folk gonna forensically make your case that Oswald acted alone?....The medical evidence proves that a head shot was fired from the right front blowing out a huge hole in the back of the skull as seen by all of the Parkland docs.....Bunch of Oswald acted alone fools.
That's funny right there. I reckon you believe the cigarette man from the X files did it LOL. You shouldn't get yourself so worked up on Thanksgiving dumb fuqk.
,......Look who the real dumb [bleep] is.....Still don't read where u make your case that Oswald acted alone....Daaaaaaaa,,, which way did we go George, which way did he go....Daaaaaa.....Too challenging for ya there Grizzy.
You give a fuqk, I don't so we're all listning. Choking on your turkey yet LOL
.......... 😂 😂.....Nope Sorry to disappoint ya there clown....C'mon make yer case Oswald acted by his lonely self....How about doing that....What a concept uh.....That's the problem with u Oswald acted alone folk ...The medical evidence and the forensic science does not support your case......Looking forward to your next post with your complete and thorough explanation... 😂 😂
I'll get right on it fool just hang in there and keep waiting LOL. What an ass...
........ 😂 😂......I'll be waiting a very long time.....
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
Government hit. He was hit 7 days after announcing he was going to expose the biggest corruption in America.


The Skull and Bones Society.

CY A Job with LBJs and G Bush's help. He had promised, "I will blow the CY A into a thousand pieces for the wind to blow away". He was also going to have the illegal Federal Reserve Bank audited and destroy it.

Remember G Bush and his NWO?

The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.

The CY A is the strong arm of the Illuminati's WEF as is the Mossad and Britains M 6.

The CY A had agents in the WH intercepting Trumps foreign correspondence and leaking it to destroy Trump.


^^^^ This
Barr McClellan, LBJs top lowyer -

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Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Any of the above except Oswald. Read up on the magic bullet.

The so called magic bullet is BS. The history channel recreated that shot. The bullet DID NOT have to alter course in flight the seats in that model of Lincoln were off set. History channel got ahold of that exact same model and put the exact same jump seats in it and staged a shooter at the same height and had the vehicle towed at the same speed and he did the shot. Results were nearly identical.

Look it up.
Who did Osswald get to kill all these people while dead.

Originally Posted by jaguartx
One on the shooters admitted to hitting him from the front on his death bed but none want to believe the truth - that our Govt was the culprit.

Do you have any idea how many people admit to things they never did. Cops see it all the time.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
Im thinking a CIA sharpshooter with an M14
Agent George Hickey
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Gee, imagine that. Video unavailable.

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Oswald was not a qualified marksman. He had terrible eyesight as well.
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Gee, imagine that. Video unavailable.

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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
He worked for the CIA?
As I remember Oswald, who lived like a pauper, and had no means, traveled to Russia and back, and also spent time in Mexico City, and tried to get to Cuba.
Quote
At one point, Oswald reportedly applied for passage to Cuba at its embassy in Mexico City, but was allegedly rejected because the government ...

How did he pay for such travels?

There are many sources which indicate his association with CIA. A perfect patsy. I sincerely doubt he even fired the rifle on that day.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
......You really are just plain stupid....The video I referenced with Robert Grodin was taped in 2021.....Well I reckon that if you tried to have a conversation with a brick, the brick would show more intelligence than you would by far......
The story of the killing of JFK

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfiles.htm
It's clear that LBJ and Allen Dulles were the instigators of the killing. Clint Murchison orchestrated the murder, using Carlos Marcellos' resources and men/machine. Murchison's friend, Dr. Alton Oschner, former American Cancer Society president, assisted in getting rid of Jack Ruby, who died of a sudden onset virulent cancer while in prison. Oschner conducted secret cancer research for the CIA and was a rabid Communism hater.

The CFR wanted Kennedy gone, also, and were, and still are a prime Deep Swamp mover. Kennedy was about to wage war on the Federal Reserve corruption and power. The CFR turned a thumb's down. Kennedy's firing of Allen Dulles as CIA director brought deep state CIA assets on board, along with the Joint Chiefs. Kennedy was doing what Eisenhower was unable or afraid to do, dismantling the post war Military Industrial Complex. That got him killed.
Originally Posted by rainshot
Oswald was not a qualified marksman. He had terrible eyesight as well.

I thought he had his Marksmanship or Rifleman certification or whatever they call it from the Marines ???
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
He worked for the CIA?
As I remember Oswald, who lived like a pauper, and had no means, traveled to Russia and back, and also spent time in Mexico City, and tried to get to Cuba.
Quote
At one point, Oswald reportedly applied for passage to Cuba at its embassy in Mexico City, but was allegedly rejected because the government ...

How did he pay for such travels?

There are many sources which indicate his association with CIA. A perfect patsy. I sincerely doubt he even fired the rifle on that day.
I don't know maybe the Bolsheviks financed Oawald. He did in fact visit the Soviet embassy in Mexico City a few weeks before the assassination.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
Your 'Video' proves nothing. There's been a thousand videos on the subject. It's time for your Covid booster dumb fuqk.
Originally Posted by Jericho
Im thinking a CIA sharpshooter with an M14


Close,…. M1 Garand.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
Your 'Video' proves nothing. Theres been a thousand videos on the subject. It's time for your Covod booster dumb fuqk.
.......Again and again and again....You really are quite a stupid idiot....And of course you did not watch that video with Grodin. You are a damned liar if ya say you did.....You are nothing more than an immature clown. And when confronted to make your case, you then divert from your numerous and obvious immaturities and faults.....And by the way idiot, never had Covid or had a vax.....Your pathetic idiocy knows no bounds.
.gov still withholding 16,000 records from the Kennedy assassination files.

"A lawsuit is asking National Archives officials to finally release the last 16-thousand Kennedy assassination records. Those files could finally unlock the remaining mysteries of JFK plots in Chicago, and elsewhere, that failed, and the one in Dallas that didn't.

The Mary Ferrell Foundation, the nation's largest online repository of Kennedy assassination records, filed the lawsuit. The next court date is in early January. The suit is asking President Biden and the National Archives to immediately unlock the remaining records."

https://abc7chicago.com/jfk-assassination-shot-death-john-f-kennedy/12483167/

It was back in 2017 when everything was going to be released.

"Two thousand-eight hundred records will be released shortly, but after consultations with national intelligence officials President Trump has ordered some documents to be withheld because they could "bring harm" to the military, law enforcement and foreign relations, according to senior White House officials."

Just like the lab leak theory, we're too stupid to handle the truth.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
Your 'Video' proves nothing. Theres been a thousand videos on the subject. It's time for your Covod booster dumb fuqk.
.......Again and again and again....You really are quite a stupid idiot....And of course you did not watch that video with Grodin. You are a damned liar if ya say you did.....You are nothing more than an immature clown. And when confronted to make your case, you then divert from your numerous and obvious immaturities and faults.....And by the way idiot, never had Covid or had a vax.....Your pathetic idiocy knows no bounds.
Never said I watched your video moron I could care less. Believe what you want but Oswald did all the shooting that day you snivleing impish ass hat. You should venture out from your parents garage, get some fresh air and think about somthing else other than JFK you idiot. This is not healthy for you. Keep typing we'll keep laughing...
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
This... Squezze is prolly having a stroke about now. Laffin
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maser/Jason Cardenas/diaper boy.
If Oswald was the lone shooter, why was the story still covered up?

https://time.com/4606082/jfk-assassination-secrets/
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?
Manufactured cover up.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
No doubt being how you're retarded and all. LOL
,......That was quite the medical and forensic explanation there Grizzy.....Masterful..... 😂
Every bit as the one you put fourth.
......... 😂 😂....Nice try....You are quite the clever idiot by your diversionary tactics of avoiding the subject when asked to offer some medical evidence that supports your opinion....Ya got nothing and cannot offer anything....Typical......I referenced a video. And you referenced what exactly......Nothing....
A 60 year old video? All that covid vax you took has finally caught up to you I reckon... LOL
Your 'Video' proves nothing. Theres been a thousand videos on the subject. It's time for your Covod booster dumb fuqk.
.......Again and again and again....You really are quite a stupid idiot....And of course you did not watch that video with Grodin. You are a damned liar if ya say you did.....You are nothing more than an immature clown. And when confronted to make your case, you then divert from your numerous and obvious immaturities and faults.....And by the way idiot, never had Covid or had a vax.....Your pathetic idiocy knows no bounds.
Never said I watched your video moron, could care less. Believe what you want but Oswald did all the shooting that day you snivleing impissh ass hat.
......... 😂 😂 😂.....You wouldn't comprehend it anyway....Well you were the one who said that "MY VIDEO PROVES NOTHING".....And yet you say out of the other side of your clap trap mouth that quoting you now,,,"never said I watched it moron"....You say on one hand that my video proves nothing and yet on the other hand you say "never said I watched the video."....So my video that you never watched,,,proves nothing.... 😂 😂 😂 😂.....You sure are good at contradicting yourself..... 😂 😂 😂....You are quite funny for being so stupid at the same time... 😂 😂 😂

Roger Stone says Oswald didn’t kill jfk. It’s plausible. What happened to the Mauser they found in the depository?
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?
Manufactured cover up.

Lol, ok.
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
Originally Posted by rainshot

Roger Stone says Oswald didn’t kill jfk. It’s plausible. What happened to the Mauser they found in the depository?
Well that proves it case closed...
I just googled Oswalds gravesite location.......lots of hoopla on that subject also
Originally Posted by rainshot

Roger Stone says Oswald didn’t kill jfk. It’s plausible. What happened to the Mauser they found in the depository?

They didn't find any Mauser in the Depository. And Malcolm Wallace was a low-life hustler who couldn't pay his own bills.
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?
Originally Posted by Jericho
I just googled Oswalds gravesite location.......lots of hoopla on that subject also

Yeah, lotsa hoopla on that too!

Luckily, hard evidence trumps hoopla.
Very interesting

I didn't read the thread so Bear with me..

There is No Doubt in my mind that the three shots came from behind and out of one gun. I'm not sure even at this point, who pulled the trigger. Maybe Oswald but probably not. I think he was as he said he was, a patsy.

JFK was taking on the Jews at the federal reserve ànd got his head blown off. THAT, I'm sure about.
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?
Hush maser.
The highest paid Mafia boss speaks.


Well, that's it!... Billy Bibbit's in the House.
Signing off.
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?

Even if you're a govt sucking dumbass, how do you know which govt story to believe, the WC or the House Assassination Committe findings which differ.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?

Even if you're a govt sucking dumbass, how do you know which govt story to believe, the WC or the House Assassination Committe findings which differ.


Dumb of the dumb and dumber Q squad is on the case.
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?

Even if you're a govt sucking dumbass, how do you know which govt story to believe, the WC or the House Assassination Committe findings which differ.


Dumb of the dumb and dumber Q squad is on the case.
And now we have calls4cum.
LOL
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?
Reread the Trump’s administration’s statement.
Let's do this again next Thanksgiving. We'll make it a tradition LOL.
Originally Posted by rainshot

Roger Stone says Oswald didn’t kill jfk. It’s plausible. What happened to the Mauser they found in the depository?

It was a 6.5 Carcano
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Originally Posted by rainshot

Roger Stone says Oswald didn’t kill jfk. It’s plausible. What happened to the Mauser they found in the depository?

It was a 6.5 Carcano

Waste your time not.
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?

Even if you're a govt sucking dumbass, how do you know which govt story to believe, the WC or the House Assassination Committe findings which differ.


Dumb of the dumb and dumber Q squad is on the case.
And now we have calls4cum.
LOL

Boom. Ed Norton is home from the sewage treatment plant.
All Mafia orchestrated and dictated. No question. Deep state quite possibly in on the fix, but at that time, Mafia was bigger than the Deep State. Now, not so much.
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...
Originally Posted by renegade50
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...
I remember some fool saying that the bullet entered the rear of his head traveled around inside the skull and excited at the rear causing things to fly out of his head backward onto the trunk

This was supposedly someone with firearms knowledge in the paper or on TV.

Bloody genius he were,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not
Originally Posted by 700LH
Bloody genius he were,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not

Look at YOURself...
If we figure it out will it change the outcome?
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by 700LH
Bloody genius he were,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not

Look at YOURself...
STFU Maserpoo..
We know your starving for any attention you can get.
Poor little incell man child.
Why you got me on ignore bytch boy spic azz illegal alien anchor baby???

Have myself and others fuuuked up too many of your other schytbyrd sickpuppets on here for you to have a meltdown with this one and get it 86,d also.

Say "duuuuuh" to Crappy Hamster and about 4 or 5 of your other sickpuppets for us since June 19 and 20th...
You know what it means.

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Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by 700LH
Bloody genius he were,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not

Look at YOURself...
STFU Maserpoo..
We know your starving for any attention you can get.
Poor little incell man child.
Why you got me on ignore bytch boy spic azz illegal alien anchor baby???

Have myself and others fuuuked up too many of your other schytbyrd sickpuppets on here for you to have a meltdown with this one and get it 86,d also.

Say "duuuuuh" to Crappy Hamster and about 4 or 5 of your other sickpuppets for us since June 19 and 20th...
You know what it means.

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JFK as a senator was against Vietnam involvement, JFK was a member of an opposing mafia, JFK warned of the global cabal. His fate was sealed when he created the Navy SEALs to verify container contents during the Cuban missile crisis. He did not take the bait.

Nixon, LBJ, and the CIA (globalist) made a decision and the rest is history. Oswald was not the shooter and Jack Ruby didn’t kill Oswald.
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
If we figure it out will it change the outcome?

No. If God, together with the ghost of JFK, came down on a cloud and proclaimed..."It was LHO, all alone"...the nuts (on here) would say..."My God, this conspiracy is bigger than we thought!"...

True
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
If we figure it out will it change the outcome?

No. If God, together with the ghost of JFK, came down on a cloud and proclaimed..."It was LHO, all alone"...the nuts (on here) would say..."My God, this conspiracy is bigger than we thought!"...

True
Take your meds Jason.
Have fun...

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/home.htm
Originally Posted by renegade50
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...
,........Yep.....Transfer of momentum by a frontal head shot from the right front forces the head back and to the left. Back and to the left. Newtons laws of physics.

The Warren Commission totally ignored and completely rejected any provable evidence for more than one shooter.......All the Parkland docs who saw the condition of the head said that the right rear of the head had been blasted out, a huge gaping hole measuring several inches in diameter. Not a wound of entrance and an impossibility to be a wound of entrance.....Forgetting everything else about this case, the most important and critical evidence was,,,,the condition of Kennedy's head after the shooting and whether or not one can medically reconcile the condition of the head to the lone assassin Oswald acted alone argument.....The Oswald acted alone afficionados and fools, cannot medically nor forensically, reconcile their opinion to the medical evidence to what was clearly seen in trauma room 1 at Parkland hospital.
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Nobody is going to click that link Cardenas.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
...and Jack Ruby didn’t kill Oswald.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
John McAdams was a Mensch
LBJ and the Democrat National Socialists.

JFK was their stocking horse, and only vector to powder.

He was brought on board as VP to deliver the Southern Democrat National Socialist vote.
Originally Posted by skeen
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
...and Jack Ruby didn’t kill Oswald.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

(If) the documentary’s I watched, the further quick research I did, and the photos I viewed during this research were reliable, the guy that killed Ruby was the FBI agent.

From all I looked at what I can conclude at about 99% is it was NOT Ruby that shot him because of the scruff hair on his neck that you can clearly see in actual Ruby photos of the day. The shooter had a clean haircut line. No dispute for me.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Originally Posted by skeen
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
...and Jack Ruby didn’t kill Oswald.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

(If) the documentary’s I watched, the further quick research I did, and the photos I viewed during this research were reliable, the guy that killed Ruby was the FBI agent.

From all I looked at what I can conclude at about 99% is it was NOT Ruby that shot him because of the scruff hair on his neck that you can clearly see in actual Ruby photos of the day. The shooter had a clean haircut line. No dispute for me.

Go milk your Texas goats, you fuqqkh!
Secret service agent accidentally popped JFK with a 55gr FMJ from the chase car.
Oops.
The FBI had the death car shipped back to quantico I think and it was completely refurbished. There was a bullet that hit the front window flashing and nothing was ever heard about it afterwards. The entire thing stinks too much to be called sloppy police work.
Originally Posted by rainshot
The FBI had the death car shipped back to quantico I think and it was completely refurbished. There was a bullet that hit the front window flashing and nothing was ever heard about it afterwards. The entire thing stinks too much to be called sloppy police work.

Another illiterate fuuuukhhcq!...Congratulations!
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by rainshot
The FBI had the death car shipped back to quantico I think and it was completely refurbished. There was a bullet that hit the front window flashing and nothing was ever heard about it afterwards. The entire thing stinks too much to be called sloppy police work.

Another illiterate fuuuukhhcq!...Congratulations!
Someone needs a diaper change.
Originally Posted by rainshot
The FBI had the death car shipped back to quantico I think and it was completely refurbished. There was a bullet that hit the front window flashing and nothing was ever heard about it afterwards. The entire thing stinks too much to be called sloppy police work.
,..........The car was flown by aircraft that weekend to the Ford plant in Dearborn Michigan and there the original windshield was scrapped and replaced by another windshield along with a complete gutting of the interior......See the Men Who Killed Kennedy either in part 3, 4 or 5. I forget which part.
Was Texas Govenor John Connally hit with a bullet that went through JFK?
No but the Warren commission concluded he did due to Arlan Specters WAG. It gave them the excuse to conclude Oswald was the lone gunman. Convenient since he was dead and couldn’t defend himself. All evidence to the contrary of that assertion was quashed including eye witness testimony and medical staff and doctors that treated Kennedy. It even went contrary to physical evidence found on the car.
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Was Texas Govenor John Connally hit with a bullet that went through JFK?
......No....Connolly was hit by two separate shots after Kennedy reacted to being hit...The WC says that both men were hit by the same bullet at the same instant.....Remember that one of Connolly's wounds was in his right wrist. Well when you look at each individual frame of the Z film, it is quite clear that Connolly is still holding his stetson cowboy hat with his right hand AFTER Kennedy was first hit...Connolly was hit twice by two separate shots. One shot hit his upper right back near his arm pit while the other hit his right wrist......Also and very important. The bullet weight of the magic bullet, WC exhibit 299 or 399, weighed 158 gr. The WC says Oswald used 160 gr ammo....Uh oh. There is a problem....The weight of the fragments removed from Connolly well exceeded that two grain difference....uh oh...uh oh.....We have a problem here....
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The highest paid Mafia boss speaks.



Great interview, tks.
well we do know the Clintons weren't involved so can rule them out.
LBJ also was friends with D.H. Byrd who owned the school book depository. He also was big in LTV and Brown &Root construction that did major contract work in Vietnam. LBJ had a lot of stock in Brown & Root.
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

^^^^^
Greasy azz con artist spic
Bastard illegal alien anchor baby from some Latin VD ridden slut that sucked cock for a living in a alley in Havana ..
Those who can't do anything else
Teach or preach...
Well since you ain't even got a GED and are what a 32 33 yr old incell man child now???

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Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

Only in your deluded mind.

It's clear that LBJ and Allen Dulles were the instigators of the killing. Clint Murchison orchestrated the murder, using Carlos Marcellos' resources and men/machine. Murchison's friend, Dr. Alton Oschner, former American Cancer Society president, assisted in getting rid of Jack Ruby, who died of a sudden onset virulent cancer while in prison. Oschner conducted secret cancer research for the CIA and was a rabid Communism hater.

The CFR wanted Kennedy gone, also, and were, and still are a prime Deep Swamp mover. Kennedy was about to wage war on the Federal Reserve corruption and power. The CFR turned a thumb's down. Kennedy's firing of Allen Dulles as CIA director brought deep state CIA assets on board, along with the Joint Chiefs. Kennedy was doing what Eisenhower was unable or afraid to do, dismantling the post war Military Industrial Complex. That got him killed.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

^^^^^
Greasy azz con artist spic
Bastard illegal alien anchor baby from some Latin VD ridden slut that sucked cock for a living in a alley in Havana ..
Those who can't do anything else
Teach or preach...
Well since you ain't even got a GED and are what a 32 33 yr old incell man child now???

Whazzzzzz up Preach????
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Maser got his nickname when his older bro and his homies got horny.
They would pretent their cocks were hot pockets and heat them to completion in young Jasons bunghole.
Where's the microwave bro?
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Jim Mars book Crossfire is revealing. Having shot the Carcano carbine, the one a few inches shorter than the one found, I promise you will have a tough time cycling the action and enduring the wallop. The iron sights are so crude and it's so inaccurate, hitting anything is mostly luck. Remember the scope was so off it had to be shimmed to be zeroed before the experts fired it. Also, not to brag , but even I could pepper a pumpkin that fast with a Tikka at 70 yards. Trouble is, when the shots were fired, the limo was hidden by a live oak tree making it impossible. Also, as Mars shows, there is no way anyone could have easily fired from the "snipers nest" as suggested due to the window height and adjacent pipes. James Files seems believable. His background stories have been corroborated. Nicoletti or someone in the Daltex building had a better straight on shot than the book building. Mars covers a lot of "editing" in conflicting crime scene surveys, etc. LBJ had the motive; he was headed for prison over a lot of fraud in Texas. And he had the means of setting the stage with his associates owning the book depository, etc. He also had the means and cooperation of Hoover, secret service, CIA to coordinate and cover it all up. Then there is Oswald and Mrs. Payne, a very ice cold woman key to the patsy fabrication. Oswald was CIA, knew Ruby, and the weirdos in New Orleans. They meant to kill him in the theater but that got messed up. He never fired a shot. The parafin test proved it.
Yep....Oswald's paraffin test for powder residue while in custody was in fact negative....Was all a very well planned orchestrated hit, using Dealey Plaza as an excellent choice to set up a crossfire from different directions using multiple shooters......The perfect ambush.
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

Only in your deluded mind.

It's clear that LBJ and Allen Dulles were the instigators of the killing. Clint Murchison orchestrated the murder, using Carlos Marcellos' resources and men/machine. Murchison's friend, Dr. Alton Oschner, former American Cancer Society president, assisted in getting rid of Jack Ruby, who died of a sudden onset virulent cancer while in prison. Oschner conducted secret cancer research for the CIA and was a rabid Communism hater.

The CFR wanted Kennedy gone, also, and were, and still are a prime Deep Swamp mover. Kennedy was about to wage war on the Federal Reserve corruption and power. The CFR turned a thumb's down. Kennedy's firing of Allen Dulles as CIA director brought deep state CIA assets on board, along with the Joint Chiefs. Kennedy was doing what Eisenhower was unable or afraid to do, dismantling the post war Military Industrial Complex. That got him killed.
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Provide HARD evidence, please. You're welcome. smile
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Yep....Oswald's paraffin test for powder residue while in custody was in fact negative....Was all a very well planned orchestrated hit, using Dealey Plaza as an excellent choice to set up a crossfire from different directions using multiple shooters......The perfect ambush.

It was done by experts, and Oswald had been groomed as the patsy. He thought he was gathering intel but was kept in the bait box as chum for the Media.
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

Only in your deluded mind.

It's clear that LBJ and Allen Dulles were the instigators of the killing. Clint Murchison orchestrated the murder, using Carlos Marcellos' resources and men/machine. Murchison's friend, Dr. Alton Oschner, former American Cancer Society president, assisted in getting rid of Jack Ruby, who died of a sudden onset virulent cancer while in prison. Oschner conducted secret cancer research for the CIA and was a rabid Communism hater.

The CFR wanted Kennedy gone, also, and were, and still are a prime Deep Swamp mover. Kennedy was about to wage war on the Federal Reserve corruption and power. The CFR turned a thumb's down. Kennedy's firing of Allen Dulles as CIA director brought deep state CIA assets on board, along with the Joint Chiefs. Kennedy was doing what Eisenhower was unable or afraid to do, dismantling the post war Military Industrial Complex. That got him killed.
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Provide HARD evidence, please. You're welcome. smile
I gave your mom some hard evidence when I cummed in her mouth.
She wanted more.
Looked like a goldfish at feeding time.
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Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by victoro
JFK made a lot of powerful enemies soon after he was elected:
1) All the big bankers (especially the Federal Reserve bankers) because he wanted to go back on the gold standard.
2) The Mafia because he brother was going to start investigating them.
3) The Military Industrial Complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. In October of 1963 when he found out that we had 25,000 Special Forces "advisors" in Vietnam he issued an order to bring 10,000 of them back to the USA immediately and the rest by the end of 1963. JKK was killed in Dallas the next month and LBJ was sworn in.
4) LBJ because he didn't have much time left to be President because of his poor health and Lady Bird had a lot of stock in Bell Helicopter. LBJ prolonged the Vietnam war for as long as he could.

JFK was a syphilitic, pathetic piece of a democrat! No more, no less. A dumbastic president, owned by the communists...he didn't support the Bay of Pigs operation! All in all, he made America pay for it...[bleep]!

Only in your deluded mind.

It's clear that LBJ and Allen Dulles were the instigators of the killing. Clint Murchison orchestrated the murder, using Carlos Marcellos' resources and men/machine. Murchison's friend, Dr. Alton Oschner, former American Cancer Society president, assisted in getting rid of Jack Ruby, who died of a sudden onset virulent cancer while in prison. Oschner conducted secret cancer research for the CIA and was a rabid Communism hater.

The CFR wanted Kennedy gone, also, and were, and still are a prime Deep Swamp mover. Kennedy was about to wage war on the Federal Reserve corruption and power. The CFR turned a thumb's down. Kennedy's firing of Allen Dulles as CIA director brought deep state CIA assets on board, along with the Joint Chiefs. Kennedy was doing what Eisenhower was unable or afraid to do, dismantling the post war Military Industrial Complex. That got him killed.
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Provide HARD evidence, please. You're welcome. smile

Do your own research, Junior.

I started the day after JFK was whacked.
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Yep....Oswald's paraffin test for powder residue while in custody was in fact negative....Was all a very well planned orchestrated hit, using Dealey Plaza as an excellent choice to set up a crossfire from different directions using multiple shooters......The perfect ambush.

It was done by experts, and Oswald had been groomed as the patsy. He thought he was gathering intel but was kept in the bait box as chum for the Media.
,,.......Yes it was....A professional hit job....

Still waiting for any of these Oswald acted alone fools to medically and forensically reconcile their steadfast opinion with the ghastly condition of Kennedy's head as was witnessed in Parkland after the assassination by 16 doctors, who all were subsequently interviewed and whom all stated that the back right rear portion of the skull was nearly completely missing and a wound of exit.....Of course these same Oswald acted alone fools on here will soon tell us how to get a gaping hole several inches in diameter at the right rear of the skull using a 160 gr 6.5mm round nosed FMJ bullet fired from behind and from the 6th floor window of the depository building as a wound of entrance.....Entrance wounds make small holes and exit wounds make BIG holes. Wow....Science and medical forensics are not priorities to the Oswald acted alone no matter what crowd....
O.J. did it.
They had a guy on his death bed that said he took the shot from street level in a runoff drain.

I don’t know much but I know a few things for sure, Oswald’s shot weren’t the kill shot, Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald, and George Bush was in photos from Dallas that day.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
They had a guy on his death bed that said he took the shot from street level in a runoff drain.

I don’t know much but I know a few things for sure, Oswald’s shot weren’t the kill shot, Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald, and George Bush was in photos from Dallas that day.

Um….. there’s footage of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. With probably 20 to 30 eyewitnesses. 🤪
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
They had a guy on his death bed that said he took the shot from street level in a runoff drain.

I don’t know much but I know a few things for sure, Oswald’s shot weren’t the kill shot, Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald, and George Bush was in photos from Dallas that day.

Um….. there’s footage of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. With probably 20 to 30 eyewitnesses. 🤪
.........And on national TV too.
Better look at the hairline, not Ruby.

Go down the rabbit hole on the Ruby innocence project or whatever its called.

Not Ruby.

People think thats what they saw and were told thats what they saw, not Ruby
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Was Texas Govenor John Connally hit with a bullet that went through JFK?
......No....Connolly was hit by two separate shots after Kennedy reacted to being hit...The WC says that both men were hit by the same bullet at the same instant.....Remember that one of Connolly's wounds was in his right wrist. Well when you look at each individual frame of the Z film, it is quite clear that Connolly is still holding his stetson cowboy hat with his right hand AFTER Kennedy was first hit...Connolly was hit twice by two separate shots. One shot hit his upper right back near his arm pit while the other hit his right wrist......Also and very important. The bullet weight of the magic bullet, WC exhibit 299 or 399, weighed 158 gr. The WC says Oswald used 160 gr ammo....Uh oh. There is a problem....The weight of the fragments removed from Connolly well exceeded that two grain difference....uh oh...uh oh.....We have a problem here....

Bingo. And the WC forgot about the 30 cal hole in the limo windshield.
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Better look at the hairline, not Ruby.

Go down the rabbit hole on the Ruby innocence project or whatever its called.

Not Ruby.

People think thats what they saw and were told thats what they saw, not Ruby

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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
They had a guy on his death bed that said he took the shot from street level in a runoff drain.

I don’t know much but I know a few things for sure, Oswald’s shot weren’t the kill shot, Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald, and George Bush was in photos from Dallas that day.

Um….. there’s footage of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. With probably 20 to 30 eyewitnesses. 🤪
.........And on national TV too.

Yep.
Case closed then
I thought it was the driver who done it?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Was Texas Govenor John Connally hit with a bullet that went through JFK?
......No....Connolly was hit by two separate shots after Kennedy reacted to being hit...The WC says that both men were hit by the same bullet at the same instant.....Remember that one of Connolly's wounds was in his right wrist. Well when you look at each individual frame of the Z film, it is quite clear that Connolly is still holding his stetson cowboy hat with his right hand AFTER Kennedy was first hit...Connolly was hit twice by two separate shots. One shot hit his upper right back near his arm pit while the other hit his right wrist......Also and very important. The bullet weight of the magic bullet, WC exhibit 299 or 399, weighed 158 gr. The WC says Oswald used 160 gr ammo....Uh oh. There is a problem....The weight of the fragments removed from Connolly well exceeded that two grain difference....uh oh...uh oh.....We have a problem here....
That's utter bullshit. I've watched the Z film more than anyone here I'd wager. They were hit at the exact same time, by the same bullet. Again I haven't read this thread and this was the first post I ran across tonight. I assume the rest of the thread is full of retards spouting similar retard stuff.
See the gems you miss when you skip reading the entire thread?
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The Titanic went down to take out John Jacob Astor and 2 others who were going to stop the 1913 act creating it. JP Morgan was the agent of the Rothschilds pushing it.
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Was Texas Govenor John Connally hit with a bullet that went through JFK?
......No....Connolly was hit by two separate shots after Kennedy reacted to being hit...The WC says that both men were hit by the same bullet at the same instant.....Remember that one of Connolly's wounds was in his right wrist. Well when you look at each individual frame of the Z film, it is quite clear that Connolly is still holding his stetson cowboy hat with his right hand AFTER Kennedy was first hit...Connolly was hit twice by two separate shots. One shot hit his upper right back near his arm pit while the other hit his right wrist......Also and very important. The bullet weight of the magic bullet, WC exhibit 299 or 399, weighed 158 gr. The WC says Oswald used 160 gr ammo....Uh oh. There is a problem....The weight of the fragments removed from Connolly well exceeded that two grain difference....uh oh...uh oh.....We have a problem here....
That's utter bullshit. I've watched the Z film more than anyone here I'd wager. They were hit at the exact same time, by the same bullet. Again I haven't read this thread and this was the first post I ran across tonight. I assume the rest of the thread is full of retards spouting similar retard stuff.
..........Hey Casper in da Machine....Viewing the Z film maybe by you thousands of times at speed is all well and good. However what you obviously haven't done or missed is to view the Z film in frame by frame stills.....Now at speed, both Kennedy and Connolly very much appear to have reacted to the same bullet at the same instant. But if you were to do a thorough frame by subsequent frame analysis or examination you will discover two separate reactions....At the instant Kennedy reacts to getting hit while emerging from behind the sign, Connolly is still holding his stetson hat with his right hand which is attached to his right wrist which was in fact injured by a bullet. Connolly holding his hat with his right hand is clearly visible..Each z film frame represents only 1/18th of a second. So would you like to explain why it is at the instant Kennedy is first hit, Connolly is still seen holding his stetson hat even for a few frame more.......Suggest you type in Robert Grodin JFK Absolute Proof in the YouTube search bar and watch a portion of his 1 hour 46 min video...Fast forward to the part where he begins to break down the Z film frame by frame. You will discover that Connolly reacted to being hit a few frames after Kennedy was first hit. Remember that each frame represents only 1/18th of a second.
To put in another way....Had Kennedy and Connolly been hit at the same instant by the same bullet, then it would have been impossible for Connolly to have been seen still holding his hat. At the instant Kennedy was first hit, there was no injury or wound in Connolly's right wrist.
I've done it all Einstein. You're a clown if you think they were hit by separate bullets. No need to further engage with you.
One word: amateur hour

The Titanic didn’t go down. It was a look alike .
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
I've done it all Einstein. You're a clown if you think they were hit by separate bullets. No need to further engage with you.
........Well no. You have NOT done it all there Mr Einstein. And by your statement it appears that your ego simply refuses to allow you to take things a step further....Robert Grodin is far more the expert in this case than you certainly are or ever could be. And he is not the only one who concurs with two separate reactions.....How about Dr Cyril Wecht a world renowned pathologist. Well he stated the same there Mr. Einstein. And how about Dr Mintik who is another pathologist that also said the same ...

But you Casper are the know all of the Z film because you have seen it more than any other,,,you'd wager. Right?....Therefore you are correct and the forensic pathologists who are experts in the field must ba all wrong... 😂 😂 😂 😂......Ok then Casper.... 😂 😂 😂
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
One word: amateur hour

The Titanic didn’t go down. It was a look alike .
Hit by a look a like torpedo
I'd like to know why in TF any person would pose with their rifle while holding a newspaper? Gee, thats not phishy at all. And his head does look superimposed in that photo. Theres just too much going on with that whole ordeal to NOT be something other than what we are told. Didn't a policeman conveniently get killed too at nearly the same time?
More debate n fun on next year's 60th anniversary.......The Oswald acted alone fools will remain fools in that corner while some who clearly can demonstrate a multiple shooter conspiracy will remain in that corner.......Very little will change......

It's fun blowing up the Oswald did it alone Warren Commission support n crowd. So much fun.
Originally Posted by fester
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
One word: amateur hour

The Titanic didn’t go down. It was a look alike .
Hit by a look a like torpedo
Don’t be such a chili instructor.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
I'd like to know why in TF any person would pose with their rifle while holding a newspaper? Gee, thats not phishy at all. And his head does look superimposed in that photo. Theres just too much going on with that whole ordeal to NOT be something other than what we are told. Didn't a policeman conveniently get killed too at nearly the same time?
That’s about how I see it. There wasn’t a chance of the Warren Commission coming out and blaming the mob with lose ends much less the CIA or LBJ. IDK what happened but I sure as hell don’t believe the government narrative as the honest truth. All of these years later and they still fought Trump tooth and nail (and won) to keep things hush hush.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
I'd like to know why in TF any person would pose with their rifle while holding a newspaper? Gee, thats not phishy at all. And his head does look superimposed in that photo. Theres just too much going on with that whole ordeal to NOT be something other than what we are told. Didn't a policeman conveniently get killed too at nearly the same time?
........Good points....Oswald had more of a pointed chin with a cleft per his arrest photos. But when u look at the two photos of him holding the rifle and newspaper the chin is clearly not pointed and is more rounded.....Photo experts have stated that those two photos were in fact altered.....Oswald carried a 38 caliber revolver. The spent shells found at the JD Tippett kill site were not from a revolver but instead from an automatic pistol.......
And the newspaper thing is just weirdly convenient for an "absolute proof" or airtight case as they said at the time. I cant figure why any person would have their wife snap a pic of them holding a rifle and newspaper.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by fester
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
One word: amateur hour

The Titanic didn’t go down. It was a look alike .
Hit by a look a like torpedo
Don’t be such a chili instructor.

Look at my Stalker / Man Crush fan go.
Miss me little fella ? How was Thanksgiving Dinner at the Kiddie table with all the short folks ? 😂😂😂
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
And the newspaper thing is just weirdly convenient for an "absolute proof" or airtight case as they said at the time. I cant figure why any person would have their wife snap a pic of them holding a rifle and newspaper.
.......Marina Oswald in later years told Robert Grodin that she did not take those two photos. She told Grodin that she took pics on the other side not facing towards the stairs.
About that photo...
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
About that photo...
......Well unlike your reaction towards my Robert Grodin video, I just watched yours in its entirety in order to maybe learn something new.....Ok.So let's assume that those pics of Oswald holding the rifle and newspaper are in fact authentic as the expert stated......Nevertheless we still have contradictory medical evidence between what the WC report says happened vs what the docs at Parkland saw with their own eyes.......You cannot have Oswald firing his rifle from the 6th floor to then conclude that one 6,5mm 160 gr round nosed bullet fired from the rear created a huge multi inch in diameter evulsed hole with protruding skull bone surrounding the hole.....A 6,5 mm round nose bullet cannot and will not create such a massive wound and be called an entrance wound.....The medical evidence and the WC report contradict each other.......There is only one way a massive hole could have been created in the back of Kennedy's skull. A shot fired from the front using more than likely a frangible bullet as Dr Cyril Wecht has stated during his many seminars.....
I think his brain matter being on the trunk along with the wound channel and the direction that his head flung is pretty telling of where the shot came from. Again, too much weird schitt. Police officer shot, Oswald gets killed by Ruby who has terminal cancer. Records are still sealed. I saw someone say that it takes too many people to keep a conspiracy secret but they don't have to. It really is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled, so a person will believe whatever they were initially told, even at times with refuting evidence is in their face.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...

This.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by renegade50
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...

This.


End of story. Period.
My take on the JFK assassination is, if there is/was a conspiracy coverup regarding who, how and why, all the countless theories that have evolved since have done a excellent job at keeping any real true facts hid via misdirecting and confusing focus of attention so much so that if the truth was ever exposed it would just be passed off as another conspiracy theory.
Originally Posted by lapua6547
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by renegade50
Dude got hit with a perfect frontal head shot and his old lady was trying to scoop up his brains off the hood of the trunk.
Magic bullet explanation is pure bullschit.

Oswald was 180° behind him from the frontal fuuuking head that blew his brains out the back of his head.

Idiotic that some of you believe the Warren Commision schit...
When the fuuuking various footage is their showing the fuuuking frontal head shot...

This.


End of story. Period.

The real story has already come out but the sheeple, as usual, aren't aware of the how they've been bamboozled by their so called government.
Countless other times too, and it's getting worse. How many hoaxes have been leveled on Trump that are total bullshit yet it still lingers in sheep minds and continues as we speak!
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by fester
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
One word: amateur hour

The Titanic didn’t go down. It was a look alike .
Hit by a look a like torpedo
Don’t be such a chili instructor.


Chit n instructor is on case!
What do you think the chances are that a multi-gun conspiracy took
place in Dealey Plaza, with bullets from MORE THAN ONE GUN striking
the victims in JFK's limousine on Elm Street....and yet NOT A SINGLE
BULLET OR FRAGMENT from any non-C2766 (i.e., Oswald's) gun turned out
to be large enough to be tested in order to positively eliminate Lee
Harvey Oswald's Carcano rifle as the source for ALL of the bullets and
fragments that hit any victims on Elm Street?

In other words: If a multi-gun plot really did end the life of John F.
Kennedy, how is it POSSIBLE that those conspirators got lucky enough
to have none of the non-Oswald bullets (or even fragments thereof)
discovered by anybody? VB
House Committee on Assasinations said there was no lone assassin, it was a conspiracy.

Ymmv
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement. VB
a dysfunctional government executes a president and nobody can figure out how they did it , yeah right!
Perhaps the most powerful single piece of evidence that there
was no conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy is simply the
fact that after all these years there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, direct
or circumstantial, that any of the persons or groups suspected by
conspiracy theorists (e.g., organized crime, CIA, KGB, FBI, military-
industrial complex, Castro, LBJ, etc.) or anyone else conspired with
Oswald to kill Kennedy.

"And when there is NO EVIDENCE of something, although not
conclusive, this itself is very, very persuasive evidence that the
alleged "something" does not exist. Particularly here where the search
for the "something" (conspiracy) has been the greatest and most
comprehensive search for anything in American, perhaps world history.

"I mean, way back in 1965, BEFORE over forty additional years of
microscopic investigation of the case by governmental groups and
thousands of researchers, Dwight Macdonald wrote, "I can't believe
that among the many hundreds of detectives, Federal Bureau of
Investigation and Secret Service agents, and [counsel] for the Warren
Commission...not one would be bright or lucky enough to discover or
stumble across some clue [of a conspiracy] if there were any there."

"But not one clue of a conspiracy has ever surfaced. And this is
so despite the fact that the two people the conspirators would have
had to rely on the most not to leave a clue, Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby, were notoriously unreliable.

"A conspiracy is nothing more than a criminal partnership. And
although conspiracies obviously aren't proved by the transcript of a
stenographer who typed up a conversation between the partners agreeing
to commit the crime, there has to be some substantive evidence of the
conspiracy or partnership's existence. VB
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Perhaps the most powerful single piece of evidence that there
was no conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy is simply the
fact that after all these years there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, direct
or circumstantial, that any of the persons or groups suspected by
conspiracy theorists (e.g., organized crime, CIA, KGB, FBI, military-
industrial complex, Castro, LBJ, etc.) or anyone else conspired with
Oswald to kill Kennedy.

"And when there is NO EVIDENCE of something, although not
conclusive, this itself is very, very persuasive evidence that the
alleged "something" does not exist. Particularly here where the search
for the "something" (conspiracy) has been the greatest and most
comprehensive search for anything in American, perhaps world history.

"I mean, way back in 1965, BEFORE over forty additional years of
microscopic investigation of the case by governmental groups and
thousands of researchers, Dwight Macdonald wrote, "I can't believe
that among the many hundreds of detectives, Federal Bureau of
Investigation and Secret Service agents, and [counsel] for the Warren
Commission...not one would be bright or lucky enough to discover or
stumble across some clue [of a conspiracy] if there were any there."

"But not one clue of a conspiracy has ever surfaced. And this is
so despite the fact that the two people the conspirators would have
had to rely on the most not to leave a clue, Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby, were notoriously unreliable.

"A conspiracy is nothing more than a criminal partnership. And
although conspiracies obviously aren't proved by the transcript of a
stenographer who typed up a conversation between the partners agreeing
to commit the crime, there has to be some substantive evidence of the
conspiracy or partnership's existence. VB


The House of Rep, on the record, have stated it was a conspiracy.

This isn't hard.
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Deaths of Witnesses Connected to the assassination of John F. Kennedy


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Deaths of Witnesses Connected to the assassination of John F. Kennedy
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Karyn Kupcinet
Grant Stockdale
Gary Underhill
Hunter, Koethe & Howard
Mary Sherman
Mary Pinchot Meyer
Desmond FitzGerald
Lisa Howard
Winston Scott
Tyler & Kopechne
Kilgallen & Smith
Bannister & Ferrie
Roger D. Craig
Select Committee investigations
Primary Sources

Some writers who have investigated the assassination of John F. Kennedy have claimed that a large number of witnesses to the event have died in mysterious circumstances. The Sunday Times reported that "the odds against these witnesses being dead by February, 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one." When the Select Committee on Assassinations questioned the newspaper reporter who wrote the article, he admitted he had made a "careless journalistic mistake".

In his book Crossfire, the author Jim Marrs, provided a list of 103 people who he claims died in mysterious circumstances between 1963 and 1976. In reality, most of these people died of natural causes. Some of these people did die in accidents. Others were murdered or committed suicide. However, these people rarely had information that would have been important in helping investigators discover if there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.


Karyn Kupcinet

The first person to die linked to the case was Karyn Kupcinet. In his book, Forgive My Grief, W. Penn Jones reports that "a few days before the assassination, Karyn Kupcinet, 23, was trying to place a long distance telephone call from the Los Angeles area. According to reports, the long distance operator heard Miss Kupcinet scream into the telephone that President Kennedy was going to be killed." Karyn's body was discovered on 30th November, 1963. Police estimated that she had been dead for two days. The New York Times reported that she had been strangled. Her actor boyfriend, Andrew Prine was the main suspect but he was never charged with the murder and the crime remains unsolved.

Some researchers claimed that there was a link between the death of Kupcinet and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was argued that the conspirators were trying to frighten off her father and journalist, Irv Kupcinet from telling what he knew.
Grant Stockdale

Grant Stockdale, a close friend of John F. Kennedy died on 2nd December, 1963 when he fell (or was pushed) from his office on the thirteenth story of the Dupont Building in Miami. Stockdale did not leave a suicide note but his friend, George Smathers, claimed that he had become depressed as a result of the death of the president. However, it later became known that four days after the assassination Stockdale flew to Washington and talked with Robert Kennedy and Edward Kennedy. On his return Stockdale told several of his friends that "the world was closing in." On 1st December, he spoke to his attorney, William Frates who later recalled: "He started talking. It didn't make much sense. He said something about 'those guys' trying to get him. Then about the assassination."
Gary Underhill

After the assassination of President Kennedy, Gary Underhill told his friend, Charlene Fitsimmons, that he was convinced that he had been killed by members of the CIA. He also said: "Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the President! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did!"

Underhill believed there was a connection between Executive Action, Fidel Castro and the death of John F. Kennedy: "They tried it in Cuba and they couldn't get away with it. Right after the Bay of Pigs. But Kennedy wouldn't let them do it. And now he'd gotten wind of this and he was really going to blow the whistle on them. And they killed him!"

Gary Underhill told friends that he feared for his life: "I know who they are. That's the problem. They know I know. That's why I'm here. I can't stay in New York." Underhill was found dead on 8th May 1964. He had been shot in the head and it was officially ruled that he had committed suicide. However, in his book, Destiny Betrayed (1992), James DiEugenio claimed that the bullet entered the right-handed Underhill's head behind the left ear.
Hunter, Koethe & Howard

There has been a significant number of people who have died who did appear to have important information about the case. This includes several journalists investigating the murder. On 24th November, 1963, Bill Hunter of the Long Beach Press Telegram and Jim Koethe of the Dallas Times Herald interviewed George Senator. Also there was the attorney Tom Howard. Earlier that day Senator and Howard had both visited Jack Ruby in jail. That evening Senator arranged for Koethe, Hunter and Howard to search Ruby's apartment.

It is not known what the journalists found but on 23rd April 1964, Hunter was shot dead by Creighton Wiggins, a policeman in the pressroom of a Long Beach police station. Wiggins initially claimed that his gun fired when he dropped it and tried to pick it up. In court this was discovered that this was impossible and it was decided that Hunter had been murdered. Wiggins finally admitted he was playing a game of quick draw with his fellow officer. The other officer, Errol F. Greenleaf, testified he had his back turned when the shooting took place. In January 1965, both were convicted and sentenced to three years probation.

Jim Koethe decided to write a book about the assassination of Kennedy. However, he died on 21st September, 1964. It seems that a man broke into his Dallas apartment and killed him by a karate chop to the throat. Tom Howard died of a heart-attack, aged 48, in March, 1965.
Mary Sherman

On 21st July, 1964, Dr. Mary Sherman was murdered in New Orleans. She had been stabbed in the heart, arm, leg and stomach. Her laboratory was also set on fire. The crime has never been sold. Later Edward T. Haslam published Mary, Ferrie & the Monkey Virus : The Story of an Underground Medical Laboratory. In the book he argued that Sherman was working with David Ferrie. Haslam believed that this Central Intelligence Agency backed research involved disease intelligence gathering and cancer research using laboratory-made biological weapons. Haslam claimed this biological weapon was to be used against Cuba’s Fidel Castro.

Judyth Baker later began giving interviews aboout involvement in an anti-Castro conspiracy. She claims that in 1963 she was recruited by Dr. Canute Michaelson to work with Dr. Alton Ochsner and Dr. Mary Sherman in a CIA secret project. This involved creating the means to insure Fidel Castro developed cancer.

In 1963 Judyth moved to New Orleans where she worked closely with others involved in this plot. This included Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and Guy Bannister. Later she claimed she began an affair with Oswald. The research into this biological weapon was carried out in the homes of Ferrie and Sherman. Oswald role in this conspiracy was to work as a courier. However, the project was abandoned in September, 1963, and Oswald was ordered to Dallas.

Assassination of John F. Kennedy Encyclopedia

Oswald kept in touch with Baker and in November, 1963, he had been forced to join a plot to kill John F. Kennedy. Oswald believed that the conspiracy was being organized by Mafia leader, Carlos Marcello and a CIA agent, David Atlee Phillips. Oswald told her he would do what he could to ensure that Kennedy was not killed. After the assassination of Kennedy and the arrest of Oswald, Baker received a phone-call from David Ferrie warning her that she would be killed if she told anyone about her knowledge of these events.
Mary Pinchot Meyer

On 12th October, 1964, Mary Pinchot Meyer was shot dead as she walked along the Chesapeake and Ohio towpath in Georgetown. Henry Wiggins, a car mechanic, was working on a vehicle on Canal Road, when he heard a woman shout out: "Someone help me, someone help me". He then heard two gunshots. Wiggins ran to the edge of the wall overlooking the towpath. He later told police he saw "a black man in a light jacket, dark slacks, and a dark cap standing over the body of a white woman."

Soon afterwards Raymond Crump, a black man, was found not far from the murder scene. He was arrested and charged with Mary's murder. The towpath and the river were searched but no murder weapon was ever found.

The media did not report at the time that Mary Pinchot Meyer had been having an affair with John F. Kennedy. Nor did it reveal that her former husband, Cord Meyer, was a senior figure in CIA's covert operations. As a result, there was little public interest in the case.

During the trial Wiggins was unable to identify Raymond Crump as the man standing over Meyer's body. The prosecution was also handicapped by the fact that the police had been unable to find the murder weapon at the scene of the crime. On 29th July, 1965, Crump was acquitted of murdering Mary Meyer. The case remains unsolved.

In March, 1976, James Truitt gave an interview to the National Enquirer. Truitt told the newspaper that Mary Pinchot Meyer was having an affair with John F. Kennedy. He also claimed that Meyer had told his wife, Ann Truitt, that she was keeping an account of this relationship in her diary. Meyer asked Truitt to take possession of a private diary "if anything ever happened to me".

Ann Truitt was living in Tokyo at the time of the murder. She phoned Ben Bradlee at his home and asked him if he had found the diary. Bradlee, who claimed he was unaware of his sister-in-law's affair with Kennedy, knew nothing about the diary. He later recalled what he did after Truitt's phone-call: "We didn't start looking until the next morning, when Tony and I walked around the corner a few blocks to Mary's house. It was locked, as we had expected, but when we got inside, we found Jim Angleton, and to our complete surprise he told us he, too, was looking for Mary's diary."

James Angleton, CIA counterintelligence chief, admitted that he knew of Mary's relationship with John F. Kennedy and was searching her home looking for her diary and any letters that would reveal details of the affair. According to Ben Bradlee, it was Mary's sister, Antoinette Bradlee, who found the diary and letters a few days later. It was claimed that the diary was in a metal box in Mary's studio. The contents of the box were given to Angleton who claimed he burnt the diary. Angleton later admitted that Mary recorded in her diary that she had taken LSD with Kennedy before "they made love".

Leo Damore claimed in an article that appeared in the New York Post that the reason Angleton and Bradlee were looking for the diary was that: "She (Meyer) had access to the highest levels. She was involved in illegal drug activity. What do you think it would do to the beatification of Kennedy if this woman said, 'It wasn't Camelot, it was Caligula's court'?" Damore also said that a figure close to the CIA had told him that Mary's death had been a professional "hit".

There is another possible reason why both Angleton and Bradlee were searching for documents in Meyer's house. Were they looking for material that Meyer had been collecting on CIA's covert activities?
Desmond FitzGerald

In 1963 Desmond FitzGerald was in charge of the CIA's Cuban Task Force. In this post he personally organized three different plots to assassinate Fidel Castro. According to Dick Russell, FitzGerald had a meeting in France with a Cuban code-named AM/LASH, finalising a plan to eliminate Castro, at the same time John F. Kennedy was assassinated. FitzGerald died of a heart attack while playing tennis in Virginia on 23rd July, 1967.
Lisa Howard

Lisa Howard died at East Hampton, Long Island, on 4th July, 1965. It was officially reported that she had committed suicide. Apparently, she had taken one hundred phenobarbitols. It was claimed she was depressed as a result of losing her job and suffering a miscarriage. At first no one associated Howard's death with the Kennedy assassination. However, it has recently emerged that Howard was involved in secret negotiations with Fidel Castro on behalf of John F. Kennedy.
Winston Scott

Winston Scott was the CIA's station chief in Mexico. Scott retired in 1969 and wrote a memoir about his time in the FBI, OSS and the CIA. He completed the manuscript, It Came To Late, and made plans to discuss the contents of the book with CIA director, Richard Helms, in Washington on 30th April, 1971. Four days before the agreed meeting Scott died of a heart attack.

Michael Scott told Dick Russell that James Angleton took away his father's manuscript. Angleton also confiscated three large cartons of files including a tape-recording of the voice of Lee Harvey Oswald. Michael Scott was also told by a CIA source that his father had not died from natural causes. Scott eventually got his father's manuscript back from the CIA. However, 150 pages were missing. Chapters 13 to 16 were deleted in their entirety. In fact, everything about his life after 1947 had been removed on grounds of national security.
Tyler & Kopechne

Nancy Carole Tyler worked as secretary to Bobby Baker. At the time of the assassination she was living with Mary Jo Kopechne, who worked for George Smathers (she later became secretary to Robert Kennedy). According to W. Penn Jones Jr, it was Tyler and Kopechne who told Baker that John F. Kennedy planned to replace Lyndon B. Johnson as vice president. Tyler died in a plane crash, near Ocean City, Maryland, on 10th May, 1965. Kopechne was later to die in the car of Edward Kennedy on 18th July, 1969.
Kilgallen & Smith

Dorothy Kilgallen, a crime reporter of the New York Journal, obtained a private interview with Jack Ruby. She told friends that she had information that would "break the case wide open". Aware of what had happened to Bill Hunter and Jim Koethe, she handed her interview notes to her friend Margaret Smith. On 8th November, 1965, Kilgallen, was found dead. It was reported she had committed suicide. Her friend, Margaret Smith, died two days later.
Bannister & Ferrie

Two of the men that Jim Garrison believed were involved in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, Guy Bannister (June, 1964), David Ferrie ( February, 1967) and Eladio del Valle (February, 1967) died before they could be brought to court.
Roger D. Craig

Roger D. Craig was on duty in Dallas on 22nd November, 1963. After hearing the firing at President John F. Kennedy he ran towards the Grassy Knoll where he interviewed witnesses to the shooting. About 15 minutes later he saw a man running from the back door of the Texas Book Depository down the slope to Elm Street. He then got into a Nash station wagon.

Craig saw the man again in the office of Captain Will Fitz. It was the recently arrested Lee Harvey Oswald. When Craig told his story about the man being picked up by the station wagon, Oswald replied: "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine... Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it."

Craig was also with Seymour Weitzman when the rifle was found on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository. He insisted that the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser and not a Mannlicher-Carcano.

Craig became unpopular with senior police officers in Dallas when he testified before the Warren Commission. He insisted he had seen Lee Harvey Oswald get into the station wagon 15 minutes after the shooting. This was ignored by Earl Warren and his team because it showed that at least two people were involved in the assassination. Craig, unlike Seymour Weitzman, refused to change his mind about finding a Mauser rather than a Mannlicher-Carcano in the Texas Book Depository. Craig was fired from the police department in 1967 after he was found to have discussed his evidence with a journalist.

In 1967 Roger D. Craig went to New Orleans and was a prosecution witness at the trial of Clay Shaw. Later that year he was shot at while walking to a car park. The bullet only grazed his head. In 1973 a car forced Craig's car off a mountain road. He was badly injured but he survived the accident. In 1974 he surviving another shooting in Waxahachie, Texas. The following year he was seriously wounded when his car engine exploded. Craig told friends that the Mafia had decided to kill him. Craig was found dead from on 15th May, 1975. It was later decided he had died as a result of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
Select Committee investigations

When the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities and Select Committee on Assassinations began investigating Kennedy's death in the 1970s the deaths of potential witnesses increased dramatically. This included several criminals with possible links to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Those who were killed or who died in suspicious circumstances during this period included Malcolm Wallace (1971), Lucien Sarti (1972), Charles Willoughby (1972), Thomas Davis (1973), Richard Cain (1973), Dave Yarras (1974), Sam Giancana (1975), Jimmy Hoffa (1975), Roland Masferrer (1975), Johnny Roselli (1976), George De Mohrenschildt (1977), Charlie Nicoletti (1977) and Carlos Prio (1977).

William Sullivan, the main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action project, was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977. Sullivan had been scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Others who were due to appear before the committee who died included Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and his liaison with the Warren Commission; Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to Hoover; James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy; J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested and Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene.

Several important figures in the Central Intelligence Agency died before they could give evidence to the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigations. Sheffield Edwards, the CIA official who attempted to organize the assassination of Fidel Castro, died in July, 1975. William Harvey, head of the ZR/RIFLE project, died as a result of complications from heart surgery in June, 1976. William Pawley, who took part in Operation Tilt, died of gunshot wounds in January, 1977. David Morales, who some believe organized the assassination, died aged 53, on 8th May, 1978. Another important figure in CIA covert operations, Thomas Karamessines died of a heart attack on 4th September, 1978.

John Paisley was deputy director of the Office of Strategic Research. On 24th September, 1978, John Paisley, took a trip on his motorized sailboat on Chesapeake Bay. Two days later his boat was found moored in Solomons, Maryland. Paisley's body was found in Maryland's Patuxent River. The body was fixed to diving weights. He had been shot in the head. Police investigators described it as "an execution-type murder". However, officially Paisley's death was recorded as a suicide.

According to the journalist, Victor Marchetti, Paisley was a close friend of Yuri Nosenko. Marchetti also claimed that Paisley knew a great deal about the assassination of John F. Kennedy and was murdered during the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation because he was "about to blow the whistle".
By John Simkin ([email protected]) © September 1997 (updated January 2020).
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Primary Sources
(1) James DiEugenio, Destiny Betrayed (1992)

On that evening of November 22, 1963, Gary Underhill was a deeply troubled man. What he had learned, and the fact that they knew he had learned it, were too much for him. He had to escape. Once he was out of Washington, he could regain his equilibrium. Then he would decide what to do. He had friends in New York he could talk to without fear of the word getting back to Washington.

(2) Paul Golais, The Citizen's Voice (8th April, 2001)

Only hours after Kennedy was shot, CIA agent Gary Underhill left Washington, D.C., and drove to the home of friends on Long Island, N.Y. Underhill says he fears for his life and he must leave the country. "This country is too dangerous for me. I've got to get on a boat. Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the president! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did. They've gone made! They're a bunch of drug runners and gun runners - a real violence group.I know who they are. That's the problem. They know I know. That's why I'm here.''

(3) James DiEugenio, review of Gerald Posner's book Case Closed (1993)

Posner writes that there is no source for the claim that Gary Underhill was a former CIA agent, and "no corroboration that he ever said there was CIA complicity in the assassination." I hate to plug my own work, but in Destiny Betrayed, Posner would have learned there are several sources for Underhill's wartime OSS career and his later CIA consulting status, including Underhill himself. As for his accusations about the CIA and the murder of JFK, he related them quite vividly to his friend Charlene Fitsimmons within 24 hours of the shooting. She then forwarded a letter to Jim Garrison relating the incident in detail.

(4) W. Penn Jones, Disappearing Witnesses included in The Rebel (22nd November, 1983)

Shortly after dark on Sunday night, November 24, 1963, after Ruby had killed Lee Harvey Oswald, a meeting took place in Jack Ruby's apartment in Oak Cliff, a suburb of Dallas, Texas. Five persons were present. George Senator and Attorney Tom Howard were present and having a drink in the apartment when two newsmen arrived. The newsmen were Bill Hunter of the Long Beach California Press Telegram and Jim Koethe of the Dallas Times Herald. Attorney C.A. Droby of Dallas arranged the meeting for the two newsmen, Jim Martin, a close friend of George Senator's, was also present at the apartment meeting. This writer asked Martin if he thought it was unusual for Senator to forget the meeting while testifying in Washington on April 22, 1964, since Bill Hunter, who was a newsman present at the meeting, was shot to death that very night. Martin grinned and said: "Oh, you're looking for a conspiracy."

I nodded yes and he grinned and said, "You will never find it."

I asked soberly, "Never find it, or not there?"

He added soberly, "Not there."

Bill Hunter, a native of Dallas and an award-winning newsman in Long Beach, was on duty and reading a book in the police station called the "Public Safety Building." Two policemen going off duty came into the press room, and one policeman shot Hunter through the heart at a range officially ruled to be "no more than three feet." The policeman said he dropped his gun, and it fired as he picked it up, but the angle of the bullet caused him to change his story. He finally said he was playing a game of quick draw with his fellow officer. The other officer testified he had his back turned when the shooting took place.

Hunter, who covered the assassination for his paper, the Long Beach Press Telegram had written:

"Within minutes of Ruby's execution of Oswald, before the eyes of millions watching television, at least two Dallas attorneys appeared to talk with him."

Hunter was quoting Tom Howard who died of a heart attack in Dallas a few months after Hunter's own death. Lawyer Tom Howard was observed acting strangely to his friends two days before his death. Howard was taken to the hospital by a "friend" according to the newspapers. No autopsy was performed.

Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Koethe was killed by a karate chop to the throat just as he emerged from a shower in his apartment on Sept. 21, 1964. His murderer was not indicted.

What went on in that significant meeting in Ruby's and Senator's apartment?

Few are left to tell. There is no one in authority to ask the question, since the Warren Commission has made its final report, and the House Select Committee has closed its investigation.

(5) Bill Sloan, JFK: Breaking the Silence (1993)

At approximately 2 a.m. on the morning of April 23, 1964, Hunter was sitting at his desk in the press room of the Long Beach police station and reading a mystery novel entitled Stop This Man, when two detectives - both of whom were later described as "friends" of Hunter - came into the room.

Initially, there was considerable confusion over exactly what happened next. One officer was first quoted as saying he dropped his gun, causing it to discharge as it struck the floor. Later, he changed his story to say that he and the other detective were engaged in "horseplay" with their loaded weapons when the tragedy occurred.

Whatever the case, a single shot suddenly rang out, striking Hunter where he sat. An autopsy later showed that the .38-caliber bullet plowed straight through Hunter's heart.

He died instantly, without ever moving or saying a word.

"My boss called me at 2 a.m. and told me Bill Hunter had been shot," Bill Shelton recalls. "He wasn't satisfied with the story that the cop had dropped his gun, and as it turned out, that wasn't what happened at all."

The newspaper charged police with covering up the facts in the case, which Long Beach Police Chief William Mooney vigorously denied. Detectives Creighton Wiggins, Jr., and Errol F. Greenleaf were relieved of their duties and subsequently charged with involuntary manslaughter. In January 1965, both were convicted and given identical three-year probated sentences.

Two weeks after the shooting, in a letter of resignation to his chief, Detective Wiggins wrote: "It is a tragic thing that this must come about in this manner, for I have lost a wonderful friend in Bill Hunter and so have all the police officers of the department... he was truly the policeman's friend."

While Hunter's death made sensational headlines in California, it was scarcely noted 2,000 miles away in Dallas. Jim Koethe surely mourned his friend, but if he connected Hunter's death in any way with their visit to Ruby's apartment five months earlier, he didn't mention it to any of his acquaintances at the Times-Herald.

(6) New York Journal American (15th November, 1965)

The death of Dorothy Kilgallen, Journal-American columnist and famed TV personality, was contributed to by a combination of moderate quantities of alcohol and barbiturates, a medical examiner's report stated today.

As many personalities whose multiple duties and responsibilities demand unceasing attention, Miss Kilgallen experienced recurring tensions in meeting her deadlines for performances - both as a newspaperwoman and TV performer.

In his report today, Dr. James Luke, Assistant Medical Examiner, said that although Miss Kilgallen had only "moderate amounts of each," the effect of the combination had caused depression of the central nervous system "which in turn caused her heart to stop."

(7) Jim Marrs, Crossfire (1989)

Whatever information Kilgallen learned and from whatever source, many researchers believe it brought about her strange death. She told attorney Mark Lane: "They've killed the President, (and) the government is not prepared to tell us the truth . . . " and that she planned to "break the case." To other friends she said: "This has to be a conspiracy! . . . I'm going to break the real story and have the biggest scoop of the century." And in her last column item regarding the assassination, published on September 3, 1965, Kilgallen wrote: "This story isn't going to die as long as there's a real reporter alive - and there are a lot of them." But on November 8, 1965, there was one less reporter. That day Dorothy Kilgallen was found dead in her home. It was initially reported that she died of a heart attack, but quickly this was changed to an overdose of alcohol and pills.

(8) Matthew Smith, JFK: The Second Plot (1992)

Roger Craig had been named Officer of the Year by the Dallas Traffic Commission and he was promoted four times. He was to receive no further promotion or commendation after his refusal to withdraw his identification of the Mauser and admit to being wrong about his identification of the man who ran from the Depository to be picked up by the Rambler on Elm Street. For this he suffered the most dire consequences. Craig was forbidden to speak to reporters about these things and when, in 1967, he was caught doing so he was fired. Thereafter he spoke of a consciousness of being followed, and was fired at by an unknown assailant. The bullet came uncomfortably close and, in fact, grazed his head. He began receiving threats and, in 1973, his car was run off a mountain road causing him a back injury, the pain from which was to become a permanent feature of his life. On another occasion his car was bombed. His marriage broke up in 1973 as a consequence of the continuing harassment, which did not abate. In 1975 he was shot at and wounded in the shoulder by another unknown gunman. At the age of 39, Roger Craig, suffering from the stress of the constant back pains he endured and the financial pressures he encountered because of finding it difficult to get work, succumbed, they said, and committed suicide. They said.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Perhaps the most powerful single piece of evidence that there
was no conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy is simply the
fact that after all these years there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, direct
or circumstantial, that any of the persons or groups suspected by
conspiracy theorists (e.g., organized crime, CIA, KGB, FBI, military-
industrial complex, Castro, LBJ, etc.) or anyone else conspired with
Oswald to kill Kennedy.

"And when there is NO EVIDENCE of something, although not
conclusive, this itself is very, very persuasive evidence that the
alleged "something" does not exist. Particularly here where the search
for the "something" (conspiracy) has been the greatest and most
comprehensive search for anything in American, perhaps world history.

"I mean, way back in 1965, BEFORE over forty additional years of
microscopic investigation of the case by governmental groups and
thousands of researchers, Dwight Macdonald wrote, "I can't believe
that among the many hundreds of detectives, Federal Bureau of
Investigation and Secret Service agents, and [counsel] for the Warren
Commission...not one would be bright or lucky enough to discover or
stumble across some clue [of a conspiracy] if there were any there."

"But not one clue of a conspiracy has ever surfaced. And this is
so despite the fact that the two people the conspirators would have
had to rely on the most not to leave a clue, Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby, were notoriously unreliable.

"A conspiracy is nothing more than a criminal partnership. And
although conspiracies obviously aren't proved by the transcript of a
stenographer who typed up a conversation between the partners agreeing
to commit the crime, there has to be some substantive evidence of the
conspiracy or partnership's existence. VB


The House of Rep, on the record, have stated it was a conspiracy.

This isn't hard.
Maybe so but Oswald did the shooting...
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Perhaps the most powerful single piece of evidence that there
was no conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy is simply the
fact that after all these years there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, direct
or circumstantial, that any of the persons or groups suspected by
conspiracy theorists (e.g., organized crime, CIA, KGB, FBI, military-
industrial complex, Castro, LBJ, etc.) or anyone else conspired with
Oswald to kill Kennedy.

"And when there is NO EVIDENCE of something, although not
conclusive, this itself is very, very persuasive evidence that the
alleged "something" does not exist. Particularly here where the search
for the "something" (conspiracy) has been the greatest and most
comprehensive search for anything in American, perhaps world history.

"I mean, way back in 1965, BEFORE over forty additional years of
microscopic investigation of the case by governmental groups and
thousands of researchers, Dwight Macdonald wrote, "I can't believe
that among the many hundreds of detectives, Federal Bureau of
Investigation and Secret Service agents, and [counsel] for the Warren
Commission...not one would be bright or lucky enough to discover or
stumble across some clue [of a conspiracy] if there were any there."

"But not one clue of a conspiracy has ever surfaced. And this is
so despite the fact that the two people the conspirators would have
had to rely on the most not to leave a clue, Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby, were notoriously unreliable.

"A conspiracy is nothing more than a criminal partnership. And
although conspiracies obviously aren't proved by the transcript of a
stenographer who typed up a conversation between the partners agreeing
to commit the crime, there has to be some substantive evidence of the
conspiracy or partnership's existence. VB


The House of Rep, on the record, have stated it was a conspiracy.

This isn't hard.
Maybe so but Oswald did the shooting...

Ok bud.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.

I endorse this guy. He says no conspiracy, in spite of his own gov saying there was...

Must be from California.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.

I endorse this guy. He says no conspiracy, in spite of his own gov saying there was...

Must be from California.
Where you from where you believe in what the gov tells you? Bet you believed what they had to say about the covid vax also. So tell us, how many doses does that make for you so far?
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.

I endorse this guy. He says no conspiracy, in spite of his own gov saying there was...

Must be from California.
Where you from where you believe in what the gov tells you. Bet you believed what they had to say about the covid vax also. So tell us, how many doses does that make for you so far?


Haha you are from Cali, aren't you?
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.

I endorse this guy. He says no conspiracy, in spite of his own gov saying there was...

Must be from California.
Where you from where you believe in what the gov tells you. Bet you believed what they had to say about the covid vax also. So tell us, how many doses does that make for you so far?


Haha you are from Cali, aren't you?
That's not an answere don't hide behind the fact that I'm from CA HA ha... Don't be a moron and believe what your gov tells you you can't squirm out of this one...
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Instead of rehashing what happened 60 years ago, maybe we ought to concentrate on the worse crimes that are occurring under our noses right now?
Excellent point. Whats happening in this country now is way more tragic than JFK.

I endorse this guy. He says no conspiracy, in spite of his own gov saying there was...

Must be from California.
Where you from where you believe in what the gov tells you. Bet you believed what they had to say about the covid vax also. So tell us, how many doses does that make for you so far?


Haha you are from Cali, aren't you?
That's not an answere don't hide behind the fact that I'm from CA

California or Canada?
Gotta get it straight, so I know your shortcomings in advance.
What else do you belive the gov tells ya? You prolly believe Biden was legitimately elected right?
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
What else do you belive the gov tells ya? You prolly believe Biden was legitimately elected right?

You really don't see it do you?
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
What else do you belive the gov tells ya? You prolly believe Biden was legitimately elected right?

You really don't see it do you?
I see that you're a dumb fuqk who only sees what he wants
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
What else do you belive the gov tells ya? You prolly believe Biden was legitimately elected right?

You really don't see it do you?
I see that you're a dumb fuqk who only sees what he wants

Learn to read sign.

Would you like help?
You are the one clinging to the gov report saying Oswald did it on his own...

With a magic bullet...

Drink it up, bud.


Ever surf much down by San Diego?
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
What else do you belive the gov tells ya? You prolly believe Biden was legitimately elected right?

You really don't see it do you?
I see that you're a dumb fuqk who only sees what he wants

Learn to read sign.

Would you like help?
Now you're just blithering, best stop wilst you can LOL
Originally Posted by k80titus
Who did it JFK's

1 Oswald alone per Warren Commission
2 LBJ
3 CIA
4 FBI
5 Mafia
6 Cubans
7 Something else
8 All of the above

Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic

“Mafia Kingfish “ authored by John Davis.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
You are the one clinging to the gov report saying Oswald did it on his own...

With a magic bullet...

Drink it up, bud.


Ever surf much down by San Diego?

Miss this?

It's ok. Respected Senator Arlen Spector came up with it...

Was he a hero of yours too?
Bein so anti gov and all...

You grizz badass.

Lol
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Jcubed
You are the one clinging to the gov report saying Oswald did it on his own...

With a magic bullet...

Drink it up, bud.


Ever surf much down by San Diego?

Miss this?

It's ok. Respected Senator Arlen Spector came up with it...

Was he a hero of yours too?



Rhino Bullets are they still Around ..
Originally Posted by akrange
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Jcubed
You are the one clinging to the gov report saying Oswald did it on his own...

With a magic bullet...

Drink it up, bud.


Ever surf much down by San Diego?

Miss this?

It's ok. Respected Senator Arlen Spector came up with it...

Was he a hero of yours too?



Rhino Bullets are they still Around ..

No. But I can tell you about TRex bullets...dont have to worry about azz shootin a bear either!

Ymmv
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
What Happened to JFK’s Brain?
Where is JFK’s brain? Though no one knows for sure, a number of theories have emerged in the past several decades.

Conspiracy theorists suggest that JFK’s brain holds the truth
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's.
All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO
Shoot a watermelon and tell me which direction the bullet came from.

Dealy Plaza is small. Really really small. The so-called grassy knoll would have been an incredibly stupid spot for an assassin. First, in order to hide behind the fence, you’re basically hanging out in a parking lot. Second, it’s a really bad shot angle. It’s a crossing angle on a moving target. It’s a fairly difficult shot, or could be. Third, the fence is only about three and half or four feet tall. Someone is going to see you. Fourth, if someone shot a centerfire rifle that close to people, there would have been absolutely no doubt. And frankly, I don’t care what books you’ve read about it or whatever, I’ve been there. I know. And if you’ve been there and you disagree, you’re wrong. It’s that simple.

If there would have been second shooters the best place for those would have been on the railroad bridge at the overpass. The very best spot probably would have been just off of it diagonally across the plaza from the car. It’s a virtual head on straight shot. No lead needed.

Of course, the very best spot was from where Oswald was perched. It’s a very easy shot from there.

I think Oswald did the shooting and if he was part of something bigger, he wasn’t meant to get away. The mob and the government have a long history of using lone nuts to do shootings. Oswald fit that bill. If this were today instead of 1963, Oswald on everything from his whacky politics, difficult upbringing, failed relationships, past contacts with the FBI and so on and so forth would make the perfect school or Wal-Mart mass shooter. He fits the bill perfectly. And almost all of those guys either off themselves or get shot by the cops. Pretty good chance Tibbets was supposed to shoot him and Oswald beat him to it.

No need for massive conspiracies with a million moving parts and ridiculous happenings. One nut put up to do a killing and maybe as few as a half a dozen people knew what went down in its entirety. Others might have suspected after the fact, but almost no one KNEW.
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's.
All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO
.........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ...
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's.
All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO


Careful grizz big sleeze will threaten to MMA your azz.

LOL
For those who believe the Warren Commission. Explain Jack Ruby.

Jack Ruby was such a patriot that he fell compelled to kill Oswald?

He ran a mob owned strip joint and was a member of the Chicago Outfit for Sam Giancanna.
Well, this has gone on swimmingly...
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's.
All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO
.........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ...
Click your heels Sleeze and wish upon a star and all your conspiracy theories will come true... What a dumb fuqk. LOL
Originally Posted by k80titus
For those who believe the Warren Commission. Explain Jack Ruby.

Jack Ruby was such a patriot that he fell compelled to kill Oswald?

He ran a mob owned strip joint and was a member of the Chicago Outfit for Sam Giancanna.

You have to be crazy to think anybody would have trusted Ruby to be a part of the mob.”
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
"The dreadful illogic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists'
modus operandi has inevitably resulted in the following situation:
Though they have dedicated their existence to trying to poke holes in
the Warren Commission's findings, they have failed abysmally to tell
us (if the Warren Commission was wrong) what actually did happen.

"In other words, other than blithely tossing out names, they have
failed to offer any credible evidence of who, if not Oswald, killed
Kennedy. Nor have they offered any credible evidence at all of who the
conspirators behind the assassination were.

"So after more than forty years, if we were to rely on these silly
people, we'd have an assassination without an assassin (since, they
assure us, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy), and a conspiracy without
conspirators. Not a simple achievement.
,.........Oh really???.....Dreadful logic and superficiality of the conspiracy theorists??? Really???.....So these folk have failed abysmally to tell us how the WC was wrong???....You been hiding in a hole for the last 50 plus years? .....You obviously have not been keeping up with their seminars ( I've attended 8 of them including 2 where Dr Cyril Wecht was the keynote speaker)..Dr Wecht is a world renowned forensic pathologist.......Well here are a few items for you to mull over which were presented by the medical and forensic experts who ARE critical of the WC findings and conclusions.

ITEM......The ammo the WC says Oswald used was a 160 gr, 6.5mm, round nosed FMJ bullet. The WC says the first shot fired passed through Kennedy and Connolly at the same time and therefore both were hit by the same bullet......Ok. Well we have a problem. WC exhibit 299 (the magic bullet that the WC says passed through both men at the same time) which broke 4 ribs in Connolly and broke bones in his right wrist and lodged in his left thigh weighs 158.2 grains. So a bullet that did all of that wound damage and breaking bones loses less than 2 grains of weight?? The bullet fragments recovered from John Connolly far exceeded the 2 grains lost by the Oswald bullet WC exhibit 299. Well that was all discovered by the conspiracy theorists of which you criticize......Care to explain how you can have an original bullet weight of 160 gr, losing approx 2 grains of weight during the shooting, to then discover that the combined weight of WC 299 and the recovered bullet fragments from Connolly far exceeded 160 grains?....Simple answer is you cannot. That alone right there proves more than one shooter. You forget that part of the so called conspiracy theorists that you are critical of do include world renowned forensic pathologists who are experts in bullet wounds......

ITEM:....The WC says Oswald fired 3 times from the 6th floor TSBD Building using 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed ammo. 2 hits one miss. The one miss the WC says, was the bullet that hit the curb to then cause debris to fly up and knick James Tague in the face who was standing near the triple overpass on the southwest side of Dealey Plaza....So that leaves 2 bullets remaining to have caused all of the wound damage to Kennedy and to Connolly.....Ok. Well we have some major problems here with not only physics but with these two Oswald bullets that virtually defy the laws of physics and bullet impact characteristics of which over the years WC critics including expert pathologists of which you criticize have discovered....The WC says that the fatal head shot came from the rear using the Oswald ammo already described, which entered the rear of Kennedy's skull and exiting his right temporal area. Z film frame 313.. Well ok. But we have another huge problem here. How? Very simple. A 6.5 mm 160 gr round nosed bullet that enters the rear of a skull as an entrance wound CANNOT AND WILL NOT CREATE a massive hole of several inches in diameter as seen by 16 doctors at Parkland hospital. In other words, it is a PHYSICAL impossibility for the Oswald bullet as a wound of entrance, to create such a large skull wound AT THE POINT OF ENTRY by a bullet fired FROM THE REAR......So the WC in their findings, virtually defies physics and bullet impact characteristics and how those characteristic relate to bodily impacts......Well guess what Grizz. All of the above was discovered over the course of many years by the WC critics and conspiracy theorists of which you are critical of which include bonafide experts in the field of forensic pathology. Who as you tem ARE SILLY PEOPLE?......We may never know the names of those who actually pulled the triggers.

Who killed JFK?.....Not Lee Harvey Oswald. Because if Lee Oswald were in fact the lone killer firing 3 rounds from the 6th floor, then those bullets that he used would have had to defy the basic laws of physics as it relates to bullet impacts on or into the human body... Those 2 remaining bullets that the WC says caused all of the wounds to Kennedy and to Connolly? Impossible for only two bullets to have caused all of that wound damage to both men.....In the case of JFK, when the laws of physics are applied, when basic forensic pathology is applied, the only conclusion is that more than one shooter was in fact firing from not only the rear but from the front as well.....Sometimes it is difficult to set opinions aside. But in the case of the J FK assassination, you must follow the laws of physics and forensics to determine what really happened of which I have tried to do on this thread.

The WC was wrong and failed miserably to even explore the overwhelming evidence of a multiple shooter conspiracy. Why? Because their conclusion was already a pre determined outcome that Oswald acted alone even before the WC was even formed....Why? Because the govt feared a conspiracy conclusion, which very well may have implicated the Soviet Union, which then it turn, could have led to WW3....The truth was covered up so that a possibility of WW3 could never come to pass.
Evidence bitch, we need evidence... After 60 years there's no evidence of who exactly was involved in any conspiracy if there was one, and there's no physical evidence that points to any other weapon other than Oswald's.
All those alleged rifles being fired and no cases no bullet fragments other than those from Oswalds Carcano so there's that take a deep breath Big Sleeze and find somthing else to obsess on. Keep typing, we'll keep laughing. LMFAO
.........Evidence bitch. Ya need evidence?.....I guess you cannot read or you are just plain stupid?....Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?....I just laid out the evidence for ya there Grizzy using physics and forensics as was also the conclusion of the experts in pathology....You say above that there were no bullets or fragments found other than from Oswald's rifle??? 😂 😂....Oh yeah? Care to comment about the bullet fragments removed from Connolly which by the way DID NOT COME FROM OSWALDS RIFLE???? How about that Grizzy!!!.....Ya know what....You really are a lil immature p**CK, who during this entire thread has not presented any evidence whatsoever which supports your conclusion that Oswald acted alone.....All u can do is make a damned fool of yourself citing NO FORENSICS NOR BALLISTIC LAW that support any of your opinions.....Well I did azz hole and I'll stand by that....So you just continue to be a WC Oswald acted alone fool, while I use basic laws of physics and forensics which supports multiple shooters.....Cuz ya there Grizzy boy ..You cannot and did not anywhere on this thread use any forensics nor any laws of physics to support your conclusion that Oswald acted alone....Why? Because you cannot....You are nothing more than an opinionated fool who relies on nothing more than his personal opinion....Not good enough Grizz to make your case let alone make your case in any court of law....You would be a disgrace if in the legal profession trying to make your case valid based on nothing more than blathering opinion....You are great at that. But horrible presenting any bonafide evidence that clearly supports your opinions ...
Click your heels Sleeze and wish upon a star and all your conspiracy theories will come true... What a dumb fuqk. LOL
...... 😂...Your last post clearly defines you as an opinionated idiot.....And as usual you offer nothing as I could have predicted....You have addressed nothing. You can't even offer any mature rebuttals to anything I've mentioned....Nothing.....You are an immature bafoonish stupid clown.....Dumb [bleep]???.....The real dumb [bleep] is yourself. You couldn't offer any evidence based on forensics, ballistics nor anything else that supports Oswald acted alone even if your pathetic useless and immature life depended on it.....That's quite clear based on all of your postings on this thread....You couldn't debate your azz out from the bottom of a wet paper bag.....The experts in the field of forensics and pathology I'll rely upon vs your ridiculous wisdom that relies upon nothing whatsoever.....
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by k80titus
For those who believe the Warren Commission. Explain Jack Ruby.

Jack Ruby was such a patriot that he fell compelled to kill Oswald?

He ran a mob owned strip joint and was a member of the Chicago Outfit for Sam Giancanna.

You have to be crazy to think anybody would have trusted Ruby to be a part of the mob.”

More un Ruby. Not that hard to explain.


https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog/tags/jack-ruby
At least we know GRIZZ has an opinion.

As wrong as it may be...

Lol
G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979, said: "The most plausible explanation for the murder of Oswald by Jack Ruby was that Ruby had stalked him on behalf of organized crime, trying to reach him on at least three occasions in the forty-eight hours before he silenced him forever."[69]
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Watch JFK The Smoking Gun
Chicago plot 3 weeks earlier. There was another patsy set up like Oswald

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/5787903/

The Chicago Plot and the Dallas Plot
Threats of violence against political figures happen all the time. The significance of the Chicago plot, if there was one, rested on its apparent similarities to the events in Dallas three weeks later. In particular, there were several similarities between the career of Lee Harvey Oswald and Thomas Arthur Vallee’s account of his own career:
Both were former Marines.
Both had served at Marine bases in Japan that hosted the U–2 spy plane: Oswald at Atsugi, Vallee at Camp Otsu.
Both had been involved with anti–Castro Cubans: Oswald in New Orleans, Vallee at a training camp at Levittown on Long Island, New York.
Both had recently started working at premises that overlooked the routes of presidential parades: Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository on Elm Street in Dallas, Vallee at IPP Litho–Plate at 625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago.
There were two other curious coincidences:
The tip–off to the FBI about the assassination plot in Chicago came from an informant identified only as ‘Lee’. In the first few weeks after the assassination, there were rumours that Lee Oswald had been a paid informant of the FBI.
Thomas Vallee was arrested at 9:10am Chicago time, having been under constant surveillance since the previous day. Five minutes later, at 10:15 Washington time, President Kennedy’s press spokesman, Pierre Salinger, announced that the visit to Chicago had been cancelled. The decision to cancel the trip had presumably been made several minutes earlier. The timing has led some commentators to conclude that Vallee was allowed to remain on the streets until he was no longer required to perform his unwitting role as designated patsy.
This thread is hilarious
Originally Posted by k80titus
Chicago plot 3 weeks earlier. There was another patsy set up like Oswald

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/5787903/

The Chicago Plot and the Dallas Plot
Threats of violence against political figures happen all the time. The significance of the Chicago plot, if there was one, rested on its apparent similarities to the events in Dallas three weeks later. In particular, there were several similarities between the career of Lee Harvey Oswald and Thomas Arthur Vallee’s account of his own career:
Both were former Marines.
Both had served at Marine bases in Japan that hosted the U–2 spy plane: Oswald at Atsugi, Vallee at Camp Otsu.
Both had been involved with anti–Castro Cubans: Oswald in New Orleans, Vallee at a training camp at Levittown on Long Island, New York.
Both had recently started working at premises that overlooked the routes of presidential parades: Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository on Elm Street in Dallas, Vallee at IPP Litho–Plate at 625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago.
There were two other curious coincidences:
The tip–off to the FBI about the assassination plot in Chicago came from an informant identified only as ‘Lee’. In the first few weeks after the assassination, there were rumours that Lee Oswald had been a paid informant of the FBI.
Thomas Vallee was arrested at 9:10am Chicago time, having been under constant surveillance since the previous day. Five minutes later, at 10:15 Washington time, President Kennedy’s press spokesman, Pierre Salinger, announced that the visit to Chicago had been cancelled. The decision to cancel the trip had presumably been made several minutes earlier. The timing has led some commentators to conclude that Vallee was allowed to remain on the streets until he was no longer required to perform his unwitting role as designated patsy.

There was no Chicago plot.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/paul-bleau-and-the-supposed-chicago-plot-against-jfk
Mac Wallace. Lbj henchman




http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weis...e%20Malcom%20E%20aka%20Mac/Item%2001.pdf
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
This thread is hilarious
Wait until next year. LOL
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
This thread is hilarious
Wait until next year. LOL


Will that be when you logically defend your positions?
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
This thread is hilarious
Wait until next year. LOL


Will that be when you logically defend your positions?

Every bit well as Big Sleeze has. You on the other hand can barley put a sentence together. LOL
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
This thread is hilarious
Wait until next year. LOL


Will that be when you logically defend your positions?

Every bit well as Big Sleeze has. You on the other hand can barley put a sentence together. LOL
Really?
Ruby was an FBI informant, gay, a former runner for Capone, clearly worked for the CIA based on his arms running in Cuba.
In New Orleans, Ruby and Oswald have adjacent PO boxes.
Originally Posted by k80titus

This, from a conspiracy kook herself...

“if he was Lyndon Johnson’s hit man . . . he was committing those murders free of charge.”
Originally Posted by Verylargeboots
This thread is hilarious
You might say.
Mac Wallace goes back to the murder of George Parr. Part was the angel of the infamous box 13 that gave Johnson the win. Part was found murdered with a 22. It was ruled suicide though there were strange circumstances and Parr never was suicidal.
Billy Saul Estes claimed Wallace killed at least eight men he knew of for LBJ. Wallace was convicted of murder by a jury and Johnson’s friend,the judge, gave him a light sentdand suspended it. I think after Kennedy’s murder Wallace was given a lucre job with LTV partly owned by D.H.Byrd another friend of Johnson’s and owner of the Schoolbook Depository.
Coincidence?
Originally Posted by rainshot
Mac Wallace goes back to the murder of George Parr. Part was the angel of the infamous box 13 that gave Johnson the win. Part was found murdered with a 22. It was ruled suicide though there were strange circumstances and Parr never was suicidal.
Billy Saul Estes claimed Wallace killed at least eight men he knew of for LBJ. Wallace was convicted of murder by a jury and Johnson’s friend,the judge, gave him a light sentdand suspended it. I think after Kennedy’s murder Wallace was given a lucre job with LTV partly owned by D.H.Byrd another friend of Johnson’s and owner of the Schoolbook Depository.
Coincidence?
You mean Henry Marshall?
George Parr..


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MALCOLM WALLACE

WALLACE FINGERPRINT



A. Nathan Darby's Affidavit

The following sworn affidavit was given by fingerprint expert A. Nathan Darby this past spring.

Those following recent developments in the JFK case will recall that Darby, who holds certification by the Internal Association for Identification, concluded that previously unidentified fingerprints taken from cartons on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963, were those of Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Johnson. (See Fair Play #23, July-August 1998.)

Darby's identification was made "blindly" --- that is, without his knowing the identity of Wallace, or of the implications of naming him. After making the ID and learning all that was involved, however, Mr. Darby stuck to his conclusions.

Thanks to Walt Brown and JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly for a copy of this affidavit.

9 March 1998

THE STATE OF TEXAS

Affidavit

County of Travis

1. My name is A. Nathan Darby. I am a resident of Austin , Texas , and I am fully competent to make this affidavit.

2. I have been active in law enforcement for many years, starting with the Texas Department of public Safety as a State Trooper in 1938. I then served with the Austin , Texas Police Department from October 1940, and including my military service, I was with the Austin Police Department until my retirement in August 1979. During that period of service, I rose to the rank of Lieutenant-Commander. I am presently an expert in fingerprint identification, and I hold the designation of Certified Latent Fingerprint Examiner (#78-468), which is issued by the Internal Association for Identification, pursuant to the attached Exhibit DAN #1.

3. I first became interested in fingerprint work in 1942. My direct work in fingerprint identification began soon after, during my military service. I joined the U.S. Army in October 1943 and graduated from Officer Candidate School as a lieutenant in February 1945. I was immediately put in charge of preparing a fingerprint identification system for the Philippine Commonwealth. For my work of setting up their Central Fingerprint Bureau, I was awarded the Philippine Military Merit Medal, the Philippine Commonwealth's highest non-combat award for foreign military personnel. The United States Army also awarded me the Army Commendation Medal. This achievement was further recognized in the 1946 textbook, Lectures in Fingerprints by Fred C. Luchico, then Chief of the Identification Division with the Department of Justice, where he states that I "provided a modern, current, and complete fingerprint file for the Philippine Commonwealth." By 1946 I had risen to the rank of Captain. When my tour of Duty was completed in the Philippines , I returned to the Austin Police Department in November 1946.

4. On 1 January 1948 I was promoted to sergeant and assigned to the Identification Section of the Austin Police Department. On 7 July 1953 I was promoted to lieutenant. In 1956, I was made supervisor of the four employees of Identification and Criminal Records Section of the Austin Police Department. At this time I handled the classification of 176,000 cards and expanded the section to fourteen employees, training and supervising all personnel. In 1970, I worked on advanced record-keeping with the Kodak Miracode system and developed the fingerprint and photograph coding method for the system. During this time I also served on the board of directors of the Texas Division of the International Association for Identification. I hold an Advanced Certificate in Law Enforcement and an Instructor Certificate from the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement. I have been a member of the Texas Division of the International Association for Identification since November, 1946.

5. Since 1949, I have testified in numerous cases in the State and Federal Courts about fingerprint identification. This testimony included the preparation of latent charts as exhibits. There was never a mistrial or appeal based on my testimony. Attached is Exhibit DAN#2. This exhibit shows the opinions of two District Judges, Travis County , Texas regarding my testimony experience.

...
6. Fingerprints are an important part of law enforcement because no two prints are alike. Although no person has been able to calculate the likelihood of a mismatch with statistical certainty, the courts accept the admissibility of evidence from fingerprints. Human fingerprints are from unique ridges, which are useful for gripping and holding. An inked fingerprint is the reproduction of the ridges of the finger. An inked fingerprint is provided by putting black ink on the finger and then placing the finger on a suitable contrasting background surface, such as white paper. A latent fingerprint is the production of ridges when the finger has been placed on a surface. The ridges of the finger leave a residue, body fluids, and chemicals on the surface touched. The latent prints are recovered and compared to the inked prints.

For an expert to identify a latent print with an inked print, matching formations must be found on both prints. The ridge lines between the matched formation are then counted. This ridge count must be the same count for both the latent and the ink print. There is no fixed documented limit on how many matching points must be made. The identifying marks on the Ink print and the latent print are then marked and numbered. A conclusion and identification is then made based on the location of the characters on the prints, their formation, and the ridge count between them.
7. Recently I received a photocopy of an inked print along with a photocopy of a latent print from [ Texas researcher]. After careful and extended examination of the inked print photocopy and the latent print photocopy given to me, I have their identifying characteristics marked and numbered. The inked print is Exhibit DAN #3, and the latent Print is Exhibit DAN #4.

8. In addition to exhibit DAN#3 and exhibit DAN#4, [researcher] gave me a photocopy of a standard form fingerprint card. This is exhibit DAN#5. Exhibit DAN#5 is from an unknown source and has fingerprints of an unknown person to me. The space#10 on exhibit DAN#5 is the same inked print as DAN#3. Space #10 on exhibit DAN#5 is the space used for the left little finger. There are other indications that the print in space #10 on Exhibit DAN#5 is the left little finger.

9. Based on my comparison, I conclude that the unknown person to me who produced the inked fingerprint Exhibit DAN#3 produced the latent print Exhibit DAN#4, and produced the print in space #10 on exhibit DAN #5.

/s/ A. Nathan Darby
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 12 day of March, 1998.
/s/ [not easily read]
Notary Public for Texas
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WALLACE FINGERPRINT 1



JFK Breakthrough?

Text by John Kelin; photograph Copyright © 1998 by Mike Blackwell

A Texas-based assassination research group has publicly named a man believed to have left a previously unidentified fingerprint on a box making up the so-called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

At a May 29 press conference in Dallas, researcher and author Walt Brown said that the fingerprints belong to Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Baines Johnson. The fingerprints have been officially unidentified since President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.


Walt Brown presenting fingerprint data; Malcom Wallace (inset)

Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between Wallace's fingerprint card, obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety, and the previously unidentified print, a copy of which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with certification by the International Association of Identifiers.

The Texas researchers forwarded their findings to the Dallas Police Department, who passed it on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Copies have also gone to Assassination Records Review Board, the federal panel created to oversee the identification and release of records relating to the JFK assassination.


DPD print (left) matched by Darby to unidentified print from TSBD (right)

Malcolm Wallace, convicted in a 1951 murder and suspected in others, has been linked to the 1961 death of U.S. Department of Agriculture investigator Henry Marshall. Marshall was reportedly close to connecting Lyndon Johnson to fraudulent activities involving businessman and convicted swindler Billy Sol Estes.

Estes alleged in 1984 that LBJ ordered the killings of Marshall, President Kennedy, and half a dozen others, and that Wallace carried them out. A grand jury decided that same year that Henry Marshall was murdered as a result of a conspiracy involving then-Vice President Johnson, his aide Clifton Carter, and Wallace. No charges were possible since all three men were by then deceased.

Wallace was killed in a single car automobile accident in January 1971.

Barr McClellan, a Houston attorney and part of the Texas research team, told Fair Play that he began to focus on Wallace during his work as attorney-partner with Ed Clark, whom he described as an Austin power broker and one of those behind the assassination. "John Cofer, Wallace's attorney from the start, was our partner specializing in criminal cases," McClellan said. "From that position of insight, I knew Wallace played a key role in the assassination."

In the petition filed with the ARRB, McClellan wrote: "My direct involvement with Clark as his law partner and sole attorney occurred when he sought an additional payoff for the assassination." Negotiations for the payoff, McClellan told Fair Play, were "in May 1974 in a secret meeting with two members of the Railroad Commission."

The Wallace fingerprint match by Darby has been disputed by Glen Sample, who represents California-based researchers whose investigation parallels the Texas research. While Sample says the California group still believes Wallace "was one of the shooters" of President Kennedy, they do not believe his fingerprints are those from the TSBD box.

In support of this, Sample offers fingerprint experts of his own. "Both of our experts are working police I.D. officers," he wrote on his web page. "They go to court on a regular basis, testifying as expert witnesses. They said that the print was CLEARLY not a match. But what about the 14 points? They said that it is NOT uncommon to have a set of prints that have many matching points, but when they find points that DO NOT match, these negate the matching points." Sample characterized this finding by his experts as "bad news."

Walt Brown countered by saying that Sample's experts "were local i.d. bureau guys from San Bernadino, and not in the category of either Nathan Darby or the people that it was hoped would examine the originals within the law enforcement communities charged with the proper investigation."

The California researchers, nevertheless, call Wallace "the key figure in the Kennedy assassination." They quote sources who say that in addition to being a Dealey Plaza gunman, Wallace also recruited Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby into the plot. The Californians' work, entirely separate from that of the Texas group, resulted in a 1995 book called The Men on the Sixth Floor, by Sample and Mark Collum.

Darby is a Certified Latent Print Examiner with many years experience. He affirmed in a notarized affidavit that he found 14 matches between a National Archives "unknown" print, taken from what the Warren Commission designated Box A in the Texas School Book Depository, and a fingerprint card submitted "blindly" for comparison, which bore the fingerprints of Malcolm Wallace. That card was obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety in July of 1996.

The findings of the Texas group were given to the Assassination Records Review Board last spring. In a cover letter dated May 28, attorney McClellan told the Board that "this hard evidence establishes a conspiracy was behind the assassination and suggests important new areas for your review." An accompanying eight page petition cites the Wallace fingerprint match; 1984 Texas grand jury action linking Wallace, LBJ, and Carter to Henry Marshall's death; McClellan's personal knowledge of the case; and other evidence in support of the Texas group's allegations.

Left unanswered by the Wallace revelations are details such as Lee Oswald's true role, the placement of other Dealey Plaza shooters, and the identity of who financed the assassination.

There are suggestions that Wallace had ties to the world of Intelligence. The Texas researchers are formally urging the Review Board to highlight areas for further investigation, including disclosure of Wallace's employment records, and records of investigations of Wallace by the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Department of Defense.







WALLACE FINGERPRINT 2



Mac Wallace Update

The following statement was received by Fair Play in late March. It was sent to us by Barr McClellan, the Houston attorney involved with a Texas research group investigating this aspect of the assassination. For background on the Mac Wallace identification, please see issue #23, "JFK Breakthrough?"

Briefly, that story outlined a match made by leading expert A. Nathan Darby, between a known fingerprint of convicted murderer Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, and a previously unidentified print found on a carton on the TSBD at the time of the JFK assassination.

* * *

STATEMENT REGARDING PRINT EVIDENCE

1. FBI REPORTS NO PRINT MATCH: We were advised Monday that the National ID Center of the FBI in Washington's review of independent print expert A. Nathan Darby's fingerprint match between the left little finger of Mac Wallace and latent print #29 on box "A" from the "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor had concluded there was no match. We regret this decision. We know the FBI's review process was incomplete and should not be accepted.

2. OBTAINING THE FBI REPORT: The "no match" report was verbal and not supported with any documentation to either the FBI's Dallas office or to the Dallas Police Department. We have no documentation yet. The FBI's review process is also unknown to us. The struggle to get the full report, if any, and the process of review leading to that report has started.

3. SOME OBVIOUS FBI ERRORS: The initial problems with the FBI review was that they violated their key written standard of backing certified experts. The FBI also violated the important related standard of reviewing any match with the right granted to the certified expert to explain his conclusions to another certified expert. Although repeatedly made available to the FBI, they acted without talking to Mr. Darby.

We will be seeking not just the report but all participants in the FBI's review process. Why this review took almost a year is also unacceptable. The FBI was provided the prints in May 13, 1998 and simply took its time. We know many people had to be involved. We believe it vital to see who participated and how. We do not expect an easy or a quick response to our freedom of information requests along these lines; however, we are pushing forward.

4. CHALLENGE FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW: What is also needed in the print review process is independent, unbiased review. We also need to make the standards clear for the review. We are proposing a further review where the government is not acting in judgment of itself, where the FBI is not defending its prior actions in the assassination, and where the known complications of solving the most terrible crime in our Nation's history can be judged properly, not by some unattainable standard no other criminal would be judged by.

5. UNDERSTANDING PRINT EXPERTISE: In addition to proposing an independent review, we are also preparing a full and complete response to print identification. Mr. Darby has taken the initiative and his report will be made available as soon as it is finalized. Then the research community and the public can make their own decision based on the facts. There is judgment involved in print identification. With our report, the public will see why no two prints are alike, even from the same person, and we will see the vital role played by experts, particularly in a crime where there are key eyewitnesses. The FBI has forced us to put the entire expertise of fingerprint identification on trial. We are prepared to go forward as the FBI has forced us to do.

6. WE HAVE A SOLID MATCH: We assure everyone following this vital issue that we stand by our expert and his careful, independent, and unbiased identification. We fully support his honest and his sound judgment.

We will keep you advised of further developments.



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MALCOLM WALLACE

WALLACE FINGERPRINT



A. Nathan Darby's Affidavit

The following sworn affidavit was given by fingerprint expert A. Nathan Darby this past spring.

Those following recent developments in the JFK case will recall that Darby, who holds certification by the Internal Association for Identification, concluded that previously unidentified fingerprints taken from cartons on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963, were those of Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Johnson. (See Fair Play #23, July-August 1998.)

Darby's identification was made "blindly" --- that is, without his knowing the identity of Wallace, or of the implications of naming him. After making the ID and learning all that was involved, however, Mr. Darby stuck to his conclusions.

Thanks to Walt Brown and JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly for a copy of this affidavit.

9 March 1998

THE STATE OF TEXAS

Affidavit

County of Travis

1. My name is A. Nathan Darby. I am a resident of Austin , Texas , and I am fully competent to make this affidavit.

2. I have been active in law enforcement for many years, starting with the Texas Department of public Safety as a State Trooper in 1938. I then served with the Austin , Texas Police Department from October 1940, and including my military service, I was with the Austin Police Department until my retirement in August 1979. During that period of service, I rose to the rank of Lieutenant-Commander. I am presently an expert in fingerprint identification, and I hold the designation of Certified Latent Fingerprint Examiner (#78-468), which is issued by the Internal Association for Identification, pursuant to the attached Exhibit DAN #1.

3. I first became interested in fingerprint work in 1942. My direct work in fingerprint identification began soon after, during my military service. I joined the U.S. Army in October 1943 and graduated from Officer Candidate School as a lieutenant in February 1945. I was immediately put in charge of preparing a fingerprint identification system for the Philippine Commonwealth. For my work of setting up their Central Fingerprint Bureau, I was awarded the Philippine Military Merit Medal, the Philippine Commonwealth's highest non-combat award for foreign military personnel. The United States Army also awarded me the Army Commendation Medal. This achievement was further recognized in the 1946 textbook, Lectures in Fingerprints by Fred C. Luchico, then Chief of the Identification Division with the Department of Justice, where he states that I "provided a modern, current, and complete fingerprint file for the Philippine Commonwealth." By 1946 I had risen to the rank of Captain. When my tour of Duty was completed in the Philippines , I returned to the Austin Police Department in November 1946.

4. On 1 January 1948 I was promoted to sergeant and assigned to the Identification Section of the Austin Police Department. On 7 July 1953 I was promoted to lieutenant. In 1956, I was made supervisor of the four employees of Identification and Criminal Records Section of the Austin Police Department. At this time I handled the classification of 176,000 cards and expanded the section to fourteen employees, training and supervising all personnel. In 1970, I worked on advanced record-keeping with the Kodak Miracode system and developed the fingerprint and photograph coding method for the system. During this time I also served on the board of directors of the Texas Division of the International Association for Identification. I hold an Advanced Certificate in Law Enforcement and an Instructor Certificate from the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement. I have been a member of the Texas Division of the International Association for Identification since November, 1946.

5. Since 1949, I have testified in numerous cases in the State and Federal Courts about fingerprint identification. This testimony included the preparation of latent charts as exhibits. There was never a mistrial or appeal based on my testimony. Attached is Exhibit DAN#2. This exhibit shows the opinions of two District Judges, Travis County , Texas regarding my testimony experience.

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6. Fingerprints are an important part of law enforcement because no two prints are alike. Although no person has been able to calculate the likelihood of a mismatch with statistical certainty, the courts accept the admissibility of evidence from fingerprints. Human fingerprints are from unique ridges, which are useful for gripping and holding. An inked fingerprint is the reproduction of the ridges of the finger. An inked fingerprint is provided by putting black ink on the finger and then placing the finger on a suitable contrasting background surface, such as white paper. A latent fingerprint is the production of ridges when the finger has been placed on a surface. The ridges of the finger leave a residue, body fluids, and chemicals on the surface touched. The latent prints are recovered and compared to the inked prints.

For an expert to identify a latent print with an inked print, matching formations must be found on both prints. The ridge lines between the matched formation are then counted. This ridge count must be the same count for both the latent and the ink print. There is no fixed documented limit on how many matching points must be made. The identifying marks on the Ink print and the latent print are then marked and numbered. A conclusion and identification is then made based on the location of the characters on the prints, their formation, and the ridge count between them.
7. Recently I received a photocopy of an inked print along with a photocopy of a latent print from [ Texas researcher]. After careful and extended examination of the inked print photocopy and the latent print photocopy given to me, I have their identifying characteristics marked and numbered. The inked print is Exhibit DAN #3, and the latent Print is Exhibit DAN #4.

8. In addition to exhibit DAN#3 and exhibit DAN#4, [researcher] gave me a photocopy of a standard form fingerprint card. This is exhibit DAN#5. Exhibit DAN#5 is from an unknown source and has fingerprints of an unknown person to me. The space#10 on exhibit DAN#5 is the same inked print as DAN#3. Space #10 on exhibit DAN#5 is the space used for the left little finger. There are other indications that the print in space #10 on Exhibit DAN#5 is the left little finger.

9. Based on my comparison, I conclude that the unknown person to me who produced the inked fingerprint Exhibit DAN#3 produced the latent print Exhibit DAN#4, and produced the print in space #10 on exhibit DAN #5.

/s/ A. Nathan Darby
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 12 day of March, 1998.
/s/ [not easily read]
Notary Public for Texas
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WALLACE FINGERPRINT 1



JFK Breakthrough?

Text by John Kelin; photograph Copyright © 1998 by Mike Blackwell

A Texas-based assassination research group has publicly named a man believed to have left a previously unidentified fingerprint on a box making up the so-called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

At a May 29 press conference in Dallas, researcher and author Walt Brown said that the fingerprints belong to Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Baines Johnson. The fingerprints have been officially unidentified since President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.


Walt Brown presenting fingerprint data; Malcom Wallace (inset)

Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between Wallace's fingerprint card, obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety, and the previously unidentified print, a copy of which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with certification by the International Association of Identifiers.

The Texas researchers forwarded their findings to the Dallas Police Department, who passed it on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Copies have also gone to Assassination Records Review Board, the federal panel created to oversee the identification and release of records relating to the JFK assassination.


DPD print (left) matched by Darby to unidentified print from TSBD (right)

Malcolm Wallace, convicted in a 1951 murder and suspected in others, has been linked to the 1961 death of U.S. Department of Agriculture investigator Henry Marshall. Marshall was reportedly close to connecting Lyndon Johnson to fraudulent activities involving businessman and convicted swindler Billy Sol Estes.

Estes alleged in 1984 that LBJ ordered the killings of Marshall, President Kennedy, and half a dozen others, and that Wallace carried them out. A grand jury decided that same year that Henry Marshall was murdered as a result of a conspiracy involving then-Vice President Johnson, his aide Clifton Carter, and Wallace. No charges were possible since all three men were by then deceased.

Wallace was killed in a single car automobile accident in January 1971.

Barr McClellan, a Houston attorney and part of the Texas research team, told Fair Play that he began to focus on Wallace during his work as attorney-partner with Ed Clark, whom he described as an Austin power broker and one of those behind the assassination. "John Cofer, Wallace's attorney from the start, was our partner specializing in criminal cases," McClellan said. "From that position of insight, I knew Wallace played a key role in the assassination."

In the petition filed with the ARRB, McClellan wrote: "My direct involvement with Clark as his law partner and sole attorney occurred when he sought an additional payoff for the assassination." Negotiations for the payoff, McClellan told Fair Play, were "in May 1974 in a secret meeting with two members of the Railroad Commission."

The Wallace fingerprint match by Darby has been disputed by Glen Sample, who represents California-based researchers whose investigation parallels the Texas research. While Sample says the California group still believes Wallace "was one of the shooters" of President Kennedy, they do not believe his fingerprints are those from the TSBD box.

In support of this, Sample offers fingerprint experts of his own. "Both of our experts are working police I.D. officers," he wrote on his web page. "They go to court on a regular basis, testifying as expert witnesses. They said that the print was CLEARLY not a match. But what about the 14 points? They said that it is NOT uncommon to have a set of prints that have many matching points, but when they find points that DO NOT match, these negate the matching points." Sample characterized this finding by his experts as "bad news."

Walt Brown countered by saying that Sample's experts "were local i.d. bureau guys from San Bernadino, and not in the category of either Nathan Darby or the people that it was hoped would examine the originals within the law enforcement communities charged with the proper investigation."

The California researchers, nevertheless, call Wallace "the key figure in the Kennedy assassination." They quote sources who say that in addition to being a Dealey Plaza gunman, Wallace also recruited Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby into the plot. The Californians' work, entirely separate from that of the Texas group, resulted in a 1995 book called The Men on the Sixth Floor, by Sample and Mark Collum.

Darby is a Certified Latent Print Examiner with many years experience. He affirmed in a notarized affidavit that he found 14 matches between a National Archives "unknown" print, taken from what the Warren Commission designated Box A in the Texas School Book Depository, and a fingerprint card submitted "blindly" for comparison, which bore the fingerprints of Malcolm Wallace. That card was obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety in July of 1996.

The findings of the Texas group were given to the Assassination Records Review Board last spring. In a cover letter dated May 28, attorney McClellan told the Board that "this hard evidence establishes a conspiracy was behind the assassination and suggests important new areas for your review." An accompanying eight page petition cites the Wallace fingerprint match; 1984 Texas grand jury action linking Wallace, LBJ, and Carter to Henry Marshall's death; McClellan's personal knowledge of the case; and other evidence in support of the Texas group's allegations.

Left unanswered by the Wallace revelations are details such as Lee Oswald's true role, the placement of other Dealey Plaza shooters, and the identity of who financed the assassination.

There are suggestions that Wallace had ties to the world of Intelligence. The Texas researchers are formally urging the Review Board to highlight areas for further investigation, including disclosure of Wallace's employment records, and records of investigations of Wallace by the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Department of Defense.







WALLACE FINGERPRINT 2



Mac Wallace Update

The following statement was received by Fair Play in late March. It was sent to us by Barr McClellan, the Houston attorney involved with a Texas research group investigating this aspect of the assassination. For background on the Mac Wallace identification, please see issue #23, "JFK Breakthrough?"

Briefly, that story outlined a match made by leading expert A. Nathan Darby, between a known fingerprint of convicted murderer Malcolm E. "Mac" Wallace, and a previously unidentified print found on a carton on the TSBD at the time of the JFK assassination.

* * *

STATEMENT REGARDING PRINT EVIDENCE

1. FBI REPORTS NO PRINT MATCH: We were advised Monday that the National ID Center of the FBI in Washington's review of independent print expert A. Nathan Darby's fingerprint match between the left little finger of Mac Wallace and latent print #29 on box "A" from the "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor had concluded there was no match. We regret this decision. We know the FBI's review process was incomplete and should not be accepted.

2. OBTAINING THE FBI REPORT: The "no match" report was verbal and not supported with any documentation to either the FBI's Dallas office or to the Dallas Police Department. We have no documentation yet. The FBI's review process is also unknown to us. The struggle to get the full report, if any, and the process of review leading to that report has started.

3. SOME OBVIOUS FBI ERRORS: The initial problems with the FBI review was that they violated their key written standard of backing certified experts. The FBI also violated the important related standard of reviewing any match with the right granted to the certified expert to explain his conclusions to another certified expert. Although repeatedly made available to the FBI, they acted without talking to Mr. Darby.

We will be seeking not just the report but all participants in the FBI's review process. Why this review took almost a year is also unacceptable. The FBI was provided the prints in May 13, 1998 and simply took its time. We know many people had to be involved. We believe it vital to see who participated and how. We do not expect an easy or a quick response to our freedom of information requests along these lines; however, we are pushing forward.

4. CHALLENGE FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW: What is also needed in the print review process is independent, unbiased review. We also need to make the standards clear for the review. We are proposing a further review where the government is not acting in judgment of itself, where the FBI is not defending its prior actions in the assassination, and where the known complications of solving the most terrible crime in our Nation's history can be judged properly, not by some unattainable standard no other criminal would be judged by.

5. UNDERSTANDING PRINT EXPERTISE: In addition to proposing an independent review, we are also preparing a full and complete response to print identification. Mr. Darby has taken the initiative and his report will be made available as soon as it is finalized. Then the research community and the public can make their own decision based on the facts. There is judgment involved in print identification. With our report, the public will see why no two prints are alike, even from the same person, and we will see the vital role played by experts, particularly in a crime where there are key eyewitnesses. The FBI has forced us to put the entire expertise of fingerprint identification on trial. We are prepared to go forward as the FBI has forced us to do.

6. WE HAVE A SOLID MATCH: We assure everyone following this vital issue that we stand by our expert and his careful, independent, and unbiased identification. We fully support his honest and his sound judgment.

We will keep you advised of further developments.



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Nathan Derby was a fraud...did you care to read the above post?

https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2017/02/faust.html

And it was Henry Marshall, not Parr.
^ Cut and paste tard
Oswald was at Atlee Parr's ranch several weeks before Dallas, target shooting. Graford Rogers who owned a flooring business here in Corpus leased that ranch for hunting back in the late fifties and in the sixties and saw him there several times before the assassination.
Originally Posted by stxhunter
^ Cut and paste tard

Truth
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by stxhunter
^ Cut and paste tard

Truth

Just another Dumbass Diaper Wearing Maser Sock Puppet. As is Slavek.
Originally Posted by Raferman
You guys are still arguing with maser about this [bleep].

LOL. Ask the little Diaper Wearing Dipschitt for a picture. He’ll soon disappear. 😂😂😂
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by Raferman
You guys are still arguing with maser about this [bleep].

LOL. Ask the little Diaper Wearing Dipschitt for a picture. He’ll soon disappear. 😂😂😂

A few here...

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-revisited-were-the-oswald-backyard-photographs-faked
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by Raferman
You guys are still arguing with maser about this [bleep].

LOL. Ask the little Diaper Wearing Dipschitt for a picture. He’ll soon disappear. 😂😂😂

A few here...

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-revisited-were-the-oswald-backyard-photographs-faked
https://jasoncardenasministries.org
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by Raferman
You guys are still arguing with maser about this [bleep].

LOL. Ask the little Diaper Wearing Dipschitt for a picture. He’ll soon disappear. 😂😂😂

A few here...

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-revisited-were-the-oswald-backyard-photographs-faked

Anyone can snag and post photos off the internet you dumb little POS.
Post up a photo of ANY game you’ve killed. Or a gun you own. Besides for Airsoft toys. 😂 We’ll wait. 😂😂😂
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by stxhunter
^ Cut and paste tard

Truth

Just another Dumbass Diaper Wearing Maser Sock Puppet. As is Slavek.
Same with Glockdoofus...


Cardonazz is a bytch...

🤣🤣🤣
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by Raferman
You guys are still arguing with maser about this [bleep].

LOL. Ask the little Diaper Wearing Dipschitt for a picture. He’ll soon disappear. 😂😂😂

A few here...

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-revisited-were-the-oswald-backyard-photographs-faked
https://jasoncardenasministries.org

Yep. That’s the lying little Fake Preacher / Conn man POS.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by stxhunter
^ Cut and paste tard

Truth

Just another Dumbass Diaper Wearing Maser Sock Puppet. As is Slavek.
Same with Glockdoofus...


Cardonazz is a bytch...

🤣🤣🤣

LOL 😂😂😂

Any luck hunting today, Rene ?
Started raining here 4:am and poured all day.
Not knowing the identity of the actual shooters is frustrating. It allows crazy claims to over shadow with doubt the obvious entities involved: CIA, Mafia, Cuban exiles, Secret Service. The vast, but clumsy coverup, proves beyond all doubt the government was deeply involved. Much like the stolen 2020 election, nothing was proven because all the overwhelming evidence was quashed. There exists plenty of studious evidence that is very detailed and indisputable, such as Jim Mars in Crossfire. But the cunning distractions are better produced and circulated. The Media is the Regime.
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Does GHW Bush give a little grin at a knowing bud about the JFK Assassination while speaking at Fords funeral?

Originally Posted by jaguartx
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

He was in Tyler, TX. You fuqkhing moron!
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

He was in Tyler, TX. You fuqkhing moron!

No he wasn’t.
He was swimming in the North Atlantic getting the iceberg into position for the Titanic.
Please try to keep up.
Originally Posted by AKwolverine
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

He was in Tyler, TX. You fuqkhing moron!

No he wasn’t.
He was swimming in the North Atlantic getting the iceberg into position for the Titanic.
Please try to keep up.

Did he use GPS?
He got shot!
Originally Posted by hanco
He got shot!
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

He was in Tyler, TX. You fuqkhing moron!

Dumbfughk, read the name of the building over the entranceway of the building he's standing in front of - if you can read.

If not, get your bud masar to read it for you. There is no Texas School Book Depository in Tyler, moron.

Sheesh, no wonder you can't Connect the freaking Dots. shocked whistle
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by jaguartx
The young CY A agent watching JFKs limo drive by from the sidewalk at the Texas School Book Depository.

Years later he would become POTUS and say he couldn't remember where he was when JFK died.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

He was in Tyler, TX. You fuqkhing moron!

Dumbfughk, read the name of the building over the entranceway of the building he's standing in front of - if you can read.

If not, get your bud maser to read it for you. There is no Texas School Book Depository in Tyler, moron.

Sheesh, and you wonder why you can't Connect the freaking Dots. shocked whistle

Any less-than-retard-inbreed-moron would notice, that is not GHWB in the picture, in Dallas, TX. I guess my expectations were too high.

Now, go back to Q.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Does GHW Bush give a little grin at a knowing bud about the JFK Assassination while speaking at Fords funeral?


Is that what the dots are showing?
The Banksters ordered and financed the JFK murder. He was about to flush the Feral Reserve.
He claimed he was in Tyler but evidence shows different. The commission never cared where he was. They had their plan and they stuck with it. Arlen Specter was their hit man interviewer and harassed any witness that had any claim other than the plan they wanted pushed.
Originally Posted by rainshot
He claimed he was in Tyler but evidence shows different. The commission never cared where he was. They had their plan and they stuck with it. Arlen Specter was their hit man interviewer and harassed any witness that had any claim other than the plan they wanted pushed.

The evidence?
Can you prove he was actually in Tyler?
Whether or not GHWB was in Dallas on Nov 22 1963.....Whether or not there was an additional Mauser rifle found on the 6th floor....Whether or not this or that, or that or this 1000 times over and then some....

The best way to determine a conspiracy aka more than one shooter or if Oswald acted alone is what? What is the best possible evidence in this entire case? Even set aside the Z film.

THE CONDITION OF THE BODY AFTER THE SHOOTING IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL......period......THE BODY,,,,THE BODY,,,,THE BODY....

16 Parkland docs saw a huge several inch in diameter gaping evulsed hole at the right rear of Kennedy's skull...We they all lying? Numerous eye witnesses closer to the car at the instant of the fatal head shot who were later interviewed saw flying debris exiting from the rear of the skull. Were they lying too? The Harper Fragment which was a large piece of the rear of the skull was found many yards behind where the FATAL shot occurred ON THE SOUTH SIDE GRASS to the left rear of the limo. IMPOSSIBLE for that to be an entrance wound to the rear of the skull created from a single 6.5mm 160 gr round nosed FMJ bullet fired from the rear and from Depository as the WC says. Ballistically impossible and would have defied all bullet impact characteristics....Entrance wounds,,small holes...Exit wounds,,much larger holes whether into a skull or otherwise.

And every time you read about or hear from any pro WC supporters, never is mentioned the medical or forensic evidence let alone the eye witness doctor accounts who were there at Parkland....They use other criteria to form their opinion EXCEPT and nevermind about the body of JFK.

The govt and the WC have made fools of and continue to make fools of roughly 40 percent of the American people who believe that Oswald acted alone.

There could be a million different reasons why many believed and still believe Oswald acted alone. A few on this thread. The condition of the body "trumps" all of them. The medical and forensic evidence "trumps" them all. Not one of the 16 doctors at Parkland was called to offer testimony before the WC. Not any of the fatal shot eye witnesses at Dealey Plaza were called before the WC....

Why? Simple. Gotta keep it at 3 shots and 3 shots only and all 3 shots fired from rear and from the 6th floor window of the Depository Building to keep Oswald as the lone assassin.

As Dr. Cyril Wecht said on the Men Who Killed Kennedy mini series; paraphrasing..,,"The WC belongs in the fiction section of every library in US between Gulliver's Travels and Huckleberry Finn."
Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

If JFK had come back from the dead, your theories would carry much more weight.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
[quote=JoeBob]Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

If JFK had come back from the dead, your theories would carry much more weight.[/quote,........, 😂 Lol.....Well well.....the very immature Furbarfski strikes again......Not my theories clown....It's what the docs saw at Parkland.....Guess ya can't read to well either Fur Barf Ski...Idiot....
Fur Barf Ski, Big Sleeze, which one of these. You're killig me sleeze with your obsession. Get on with you life, Oswald shot JFK case closed you flaming idiot. LMFAO
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
[quote=JoeBob]Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

If JFK had come back from the dead, your theories would carry much more weight.[/quote,........, 😂 Lol.....Well well.....the very immature Furbarfski strikes again......Not my theories clown....It's what the docs saw at Parkland.....Guess ya can't read to well either Fur Barf Ski...Idiot....

Just figured with your experience, you'd put it all on RFK, Jr.

After all, he was JFK's nephew.
[quote=GRIZZ]Fur Barf Ski, Big Sleeze, which one of these. You're killig me sleeze with your obsession. Get on with you life, Oswald shot JFK case closed you flaming idiot. LMFAO......... 😂 😂 😂....And during this entire thread your oooooh-pinions never made the case that Oswald acted alone......I'll take the 16 Parkland docs eye witness accounts vs anything your opinions happen to burp up at anytime....Hope ya do literally laugh yer azz off clown.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
[quote=JoeBob]Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

If JFK had come back from the dead, your theories would carry much more weight.[/quote,........, 😂 Lol.....Well well.....the very immature Furbarfski strikes again......Not my theories clown....It's what the docs saw at Parkland.....Guess ya can't read to well either Fur Barf Ski...Idiot....

Just figured with your experience, you'd put it all on RFK, Jr.

After all, he was JFK's nephew.
........Well u really are one big idiot ,,,Furbergers......Fur Barf Ski......
Well, I have to admit your animosity towards my attempts ta help come as an absolute shock.

Woulda thought a great fiction writer such as yourself, would have more imagination relative to the bullshit ya threw out in the thread.

Expected somethin like:

"This JFK assassination was an absolute shock. At 6'3" 235-240 lbs, JFK had great physical strength, was fit, ate healthy and didn`t even look his age at all. Until this happened, the WC doctors said that he never complained of any head issues. Until the autopsy results are final, it appears to the doctors that a major brain anuryism of some kind had occurred."
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

How many qualified forensic pathologists examined Kennedy’s body?
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Well, I have to admit your animosity towards my attempts ta help come as an absolute shock.

Woulda thought a great fiction writer such as yourself, would have more imagination relative to the bullshit ya threw out in the thread.

Expected somethin like:

"This JFK assassination was an absolute shock. At 6'3" 235-240 lbs, JFK had great physical strength, was fit, ate healthy and didn`t even look his age at all. Until this happened, the WC doctors said that he never complained of any head issues. Until the autopsy results are final, it appears to the doctors that a major brain anuryism of some kind had occurred."
....... .. 😂 😂 😂.....Well prove me wrong there Furbergers on anything I've mentioned on this thread...Whatcha got?....Well look at whom writes fiction.... 😂 😂......You really are quite the immature clown Furbarf.....That not only goes for you but for that other idiot Grizz as well.....Full of opinionated crap and nothing to back yourselves up.....Perhaps Furbergers you and that other moron Grizz can tell us all how OSWALDS bullet of entry into the rear of Kennedy's skull can create a huge gaping hole at the point of entrance???.....C'mon now..Lets have your opinions on that...I'm sure your opinion will of course will agree with every competent pathologist....Right???.... 😂 😂 😂
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Well, I have to admit your animosity towards my attempts ta help come as an absolute shock.

Woulda thought a great fiction writer such as yourself, would have more imagination relative to the bullshit ya threw out in the thread.

Expected somethin like:

"This JFK assassination was an absolute shock. At 6'3" 235-240 lbs, JFK had great physical strength, was fit, ate healthy and didn`t even look his age at all. Until this happened, the WC doctors said that he never complained of any head issues. Until the autopsy results are final, it appears to the doctors that a major brain anuryism of some kind had occurred."
....... .. 😂 😂 😂.....Well prove me wrong there Furbergers on anything I've mentioned on this thread...Whatcha got?....Well look at whom writes fiction.... 😂 😂......You really are quite the immature clown Furbarf.....That not only goes for you but for that other idiot Grizz as well.....Full of opinionated crap and nothing to back yourselves up.....Perhaps Furbergers you and that other moron Grizz can tell us all how OSWALDS bullet of entry into the rear of Kennedy's skull can create a huge gaping hole at the point of entrance???.....C'mon now..Lets have your opinions on that...I'm sure your opinion will of course will agree with every competent pathologist....Right???.... 😂 😂 😂

More animosity.

Back in the day, you thanked me and everyone "for your condolences and support".

Now, you want things right away.

Wouldn't it be better if you logged on again in a few weeks to pass along the final autopsy results and offer some funeral details?
Maybe Q knows. Otherwise, I'm sure the campfire forum will solve it 🤣
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
[quote=GRIZZ]Fur Barf Ski, Big Sleeze, which one of these. You're killig me sleeze with your obsession. Get on with you life, Oswald shot JFK case closed you flaming idiot. LMFAO......... 😂 😂 😂....And during this entire thread your oooooh-pinions never made the case that Oswald acted alone......I'll take the 16 Parkland docs eye witness accounts vs anything your opinions happen to burp up at anytime....Hope ya do literally laugh yer azz off clown.
Tell you what moron go read 'Reclaiming History' by Vincent Bugliosi (the g is silent you imbecile) the man who prosecuted the Manson family. 20 years of research goes into this book where Bugliosi debunks all your moronic conspiracy theories and others... This is my last word on this matter, until next year. LOL
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Shoot a watermelon with a deer rifle and tell me from which direction the shot came.
.......Ya know what Joe...You said the same thing earlier my friend on this thread.....Any good and well qualified doc of forensic pathology during an examination on a body can easily determine from where not only the shot came from but determine the approx trajectory as well especially on and within a human skull.......So what your saying is, is that a well qualified forensic pathologist cannot determine from what direction a shot into a human skull came from? Human skulls with a brain inside are not watermelons. Forensic pathologists don't examine watermelons in either a hospital or a morgue.They examine skulls and any brain matter remaining if that skull took a bullet.

The last time I saw the Z film I did not see a watermelon on top of Kennedy's shoulders.

How many qualified forensic pathologists examined Kennedy’s body?
,,.....Nice try.......Dr. Robert McClelland......Dr Robert Crenshaw.....Dr Carrico.......Dr Kemp Clark.....Those were just 4 docs who were very qualified to to determine entrance wounds and exit wounds in a skull.. All had extensive gunshot wound experience...All of the doctors who saw the back of the head stated in their professional opinion "a wound of exit."....
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Fur Barf Ski, Big Sleeze, which one of these. You're killig me sleeze with your obsession. Get on with you life, Oswald shot JFK case closed you flaming idiot. LMFAO
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Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
[quote=GRIZZ]Fur Barf Ski, Big Sleeze, which one of these. You're killig me sleeze with your obsession. Get on with you life, Oswald shot JFK case closed you flaming idiot. LMFAO......... 😂 😂 😂....And during this entire thread your oooooh-pinions never made the case that Oswald acted alone......I'll take the 16 Parkland docs eye witness accounts vs anything your opinions happen to burp up at anytime....Hope ya do literally laugh yer azz off clown.
Tell you what moron go read 'Reclaiming History' by Vincent Bugliosi (the g is silent you imbecile) the man who prosecuted the Manson family. 20 years of research goes into this book where Bugliosi debunks all your moronic conspiracy theories and others... This is my last word on this matter, until next year. LOL
.........I Have read Buglosi's book clown.Total crap......I've read David Lifton's book Best Evidence....I've read Gerald Posner's book (garbage too).....And just because Buglosi prosecutes Manson? So what!.....I've also read Josiah Thompson's books that completely refute Buglosi AND Posner.....So this book business can work both ways IDIOT......Nice try moron!.....
VB was addressed in Roger Stone’s book. The Commission was a railroad. Far too many facts dispute the commission findings. Video evidence of the shooting shows LBJ ducking into the floorboard of his car behind Kennedy thirty seconds before the first shot. Video evidence proves the security detail riding on the rear bumper rails on Kennedy’s car were waved off by their superior in the car behind just before the shots. One of the agents even turned around and put his hands out in disbelief. Orders were to never abandon the vehicle the president is occupying.
JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam, pissed off the Mafia, wanted to have more control over the CIA, have federal control over the FED. Did I miss anyone that would profit by his death?
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Well, I have to admit your animosity towards my attempts ta help come as an absolute shock.

Woulda thought a great fiction writer such as yourself, would have more imagination relative to the bullshit ya threw out in the thread.

Expected somethin like:

"This JFK assassination was an absolute shock. At 6'3" 235-240 lbs, JFK had great physical strength, was fit, ate healthy and didn`t even look his age at all. Until this happened, the WC doctors said that he never complained of any head issues. Until the autopsy results are final, it appears to the doctors that a major brain anuryism of some kind had occurred."
....... .. 😂 😂 😂.....Well prove me wrong there Furbergers on anything I've mentioned on this thread...Whatcha got?....Well look at whom writes fiction.... 😂 😂......You really are quite the immature clown Furbarf.....That not only goes for you but for that other idiot Grizz as well.....Full of opinionated crap and nothing to back yourselves up.....Perhaps Furbergers you and that other moron Grizz can tell us all how OSWALDS bullet of entry into the rear of Kennedy's skull can create a huge gaping hole at the point of entrance???.....C'mon now..Lets have your opinions on that...I'm sure your opinion will of course will agree with every competent pathologist....Right???.... 😂 😂 😂

More animosity.

Back in the day, you thanked me and everyone "for your condolences and support".

Now, you want things right away.

Wouldn't it be better if you logged on again in a few weeks to pass along the final autopsy results and offer some funeral details?
........ 😂 😂......More clownish immaturity from ya FurBARF.....Gee....I don't read anywhere in your last post above any comment about the question I asked...Don't read from ya how ya get a huge gaping hole as a wound of entry....Instead, all I see is your immature crap that avoids and diverts from the subject....Right FurBergers???.....Just goes to show and proves FurBurgers, that you do not have any capability to comment. Why? Because you know deep within that stupid brain of yours, that wound of entry into skulls or otherwise are pretty much the same diameter as the diameter of the bullet.........Keep on snowballing and diverting there FurBARF...You are quite good at it.
Nobody's ever going to know the truth because the rich and powerful that made it happen don't want the truth to be made known. Obscuring facts is easy when you're in control.
It’s true there were many rich and powerful people turned against the Kennedy brothers. They shook a lot of trees and angered a lot of powerful men. The military industrial complex, big oil men, Hoover and LBJ. LBJ was the only man who could control the investigation by throwing the weight of the government against any just conclusion.
Originally Posted by rainshot
VB was addressed in Roger Stone’s book. The Commission was a railroad. Far too many facts dispute the commission findings. Video evidence of the shooting shows LBJ ducking into the floorboard of his car behind Kennedy thirty seconds before the first shot. Video evidence proves the security detail riding on the rear bumper rails on Kennedy’s car were waved off by their superior in the car behind just before the shots. One of the agents even turned around and put his hands out in disbelief. Orders were to never abandon the vehicle the president is occupying.
........Yep ....Both Buglosi and Posner's books have been refuted and debunked by more than one author.....Roger Stone you mention plus Josiah Thompson, Robert Grodin and a few more....David Lifton's book "Best Evidence" released about 1981 was a great book too. Outstandingly sourced book......Lifton's sources and book debunks Posner and Buglosi long before their books were even released.....
Lee Harvey Oswald bought a $19 military surplus rifle out of a magazine and killed him because he was a communist wack job with a political agenda that wanted to be famous.

True, there were a lot of people all over the world that weren't all that sorry JFK was dead for various reasons which is the foundation of all the conspiracy theories. So many people could have had motive.

Most Americans don't want to believe or can't believe that a single simple minded person could get to the POTUS. But that is exactly what happened. There is only fantastic speculation, but not a single shred of evidence to support otherwise, but Americans for the most part can't be bothered or confused by facts if it doesn't serve their purpose or cause.

Widespread election fraud only being committed when Republican candidates loose elections being the most recent example. No Republicans question or contest any elections they win.

Another argument and conclusion of convenience.
The problem is, ...whether to buy the shoe that best fits the foot, ...or, ... buy the shoe you want most and then try to force it to fit the foot...
Originally Posted by 99guy
Lee Harvey Oswald bought a $19 military surplus rifle out of a magazine and killed him because he was a communist wack job with a political agenda that wanted to be famous.

True, there were a lot of people all over the world that weren't all that sorry JFK was dead for various reasons which is the foundation of all the conspiracy theories. So many people could have had motive.

Most Americans don't want to believe or can't believe that a single simple minded person could get to the POTUS. But that is exactly what happened. There is only fantastic speculation, but not a single shred of evidence to support otherwise, but Americans for the most part can't be bothered or confused by facts if it doesn't serve their purpose or cause.

Widespread election fraud only being committed when Republican candidates loose elections being the most recent example. No Republicans question or contest any elections they win.

Another argument and conclusion of convenience.
,.......Oh bull.....The Warren Commission literally ignored mounds of evidence, provable evidence, that there was more than one shooter and a conspiracy........Ok...It's easy to say Oswald acted alone and was a nut case......So your medical, ballistic evidence proving Oswald did it alone is what?....So state exactly how you reconcile the wounds to Kennedy's head as seen by the Parkland docs with only 1 shot fired from the rear. Tell me how one shot fired from the rear as a wound of entry produces a large gaping hole several inches in diameter at the right rear of Kennedy's skull as seen by all the attending docs at Parkland......Also the House Assassinations Committee back in the late 70 s early 80s concluded that J F K was more than likely killed as a result of a conspiracy....Was what the doctor's saw in Parkland after the shooting a conspiracy theory?...All 16 of them lie as to the huge wound of exit at the back of the skull? A conspiracy theory?...You Oswald acted folk on this entire thread, not one time, have brought forth any evidence whatsoever that reconciles the condition of Kennedy's head wound as seen by the 16 docs at Parkland to Oswald or anyone else firing from the 6th floor window Depository Building....Perhaps 99guy you can offer up some clarification as to how a wound of entry in the back of the skull creates such a large gaping hole of several inches using Oswald's ammo namely a 160 gr 6.5 mm round nosed FMJ bullet that is fired from the rear?.....Also please explain how it is that WC exhibit 299 bullet weighed 158 grains after the shooting losing only 2 grains in weight while at the same time bullet fragments recovered from Connolly's leg AND the weight of the 299 bullet far exceeded 160 gr combined...So how does one fire a bullet weighing 160gr original weight, to then discover that the combined weight of both the bullet and the fragments removed weigh far more than 160 gr?........As I said earlier. You Oswald acted alone folk never address the medical or forensic evidence of the body of Kennedy and then through ballistics and forensics reconcile those wounds with Oswald's position firing only 2 shots that hit Kennedy and Connolly......
The only thing I've learned from this thread is that bigsqeeze is an even bigger moron than Jag.

Congrats.
For those claiming Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy, please explain Jack Ruby's motive to murder him as he did.
Hey i'm just a girl who has read a lot about the JFK assassination, who is not saying Oswald didn't shoot AT the President... BUT...
1- If you hit someone with a bullet or a bat then the hit object travels in the direction of the swing or trajectory. Ever seen a baseball bat swing back towards the catcher after you hit the ball? Nope!
2- Why was the windshield replaced before the WC viewed it?? Or at all? hmm
3- Why were all the X-ray film from Parkland removed and destroyed by the secret service when the body of JFK was removed from Parkland?
4- Why were all JFK autopsy pictures different from the descriptions and photos from the Dr.s at Parkland? (head and throat)
5- Why did JFK's head have a skull cap procedure between Parkland and Bethesda? interesting wasn't he flown to DC?
6- Why was the brain stolen after Robert Kennedy died?
7- Why are multiple frames missing from the Zapruder film?
My conclusion is that Oswald's shot was NOT the kill shot but was from somewhere in front of the Presidential limo.....and don't get me started on the magic bullet theory.
Originally Posted by WYcoyote
For those claiming Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy, please explain Jack Ruby's motive to murder him as he did.


Because at one time in this country Americans hated communists. Especially one that had just killed our president. Sadly now about half the people who post here love nothing better than licking the balls of ex KGB scum like Putin. But back then it's not odd at all to me that someone seized the opportunity to put a bullet in what was at that moment the most hated man in America.

Now here is a counter question. Do you really believe that a massive well planned conspiracy comprised of professional people slick enough to pull something like this off sent a 52 year old night club owner armed only with a snub nosed 38 to tie up their loose ends for them? I mean he shot the guy in the guts. Not a place a professional hitman typically goes for.

I know I am probably wasting my time here. People who believe in JFK conspiracies typically "WANT" to believe such things. And you will never convince people who "WANT" to believe something that they are wrong. There is a whole cottage industry out there to sell them books and documentaries. There is good money in telling people what they already want to believe.

What people don't want to believe is that one lone pathetic loser like Oswald could kill the most powerful man in the world. But it's true. Hell look at what happened to Reagan. A deranged loser like Hinckley with absolutely no weapons experience at all and no one helping him put a bullet close to Reagan's heart. If he had purchased a more powerful handgun instead of the 22 he used then he probably would have killed him.
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1- If you hit someone with a bullet or a bat then the hit object travels in the direction of the swing or trajectory. Ever seen a baseball bat swing back towards the catcher after you hit the ball? Nope!

Bullets and bats are not the same so chit can that notion up front. Second I can show you many videos of fluid filled containers hopping toward the person who just shot them with a bullet. The exit hole being bigger than the entrance allows more ejecta to spray out of the bigger hole than the smaller entrance hole. This can propel the object in a direction that seems counterintuitive. The cranial cavity of a persons head can act in the same way as a fluid filled container. Also bullets don't knock people in any direction anyway. They strip through people with very little resistance. The notion that bullets "knock" people in the same direction they are traveling is fiction propagated by bad Hollywood movies.

As for the rest of your claims it's been a long time since I deep dived into many of the cuckoo conspiracy claims. But back when I did many such claims always turned out to be either completely untrue, highly exaggerated or intentionally taken out of context to make them seem more sinister. What ever it takes to keep people buying books and watching conspiracy shows.LOL!
Well bless your Vaxed heart sweetcheeks.
Originally Posted by Justagirl
Well bless your Vaxed heart sweetcheeks.


No vaccine here but nice attempt at a deflection. Much like your comments about bullets your willingness to speak of things that you know nothing about is truly unbounded.
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
The only thing I've learned from this thread is that bigsqeeze is an even bigger moron than Jag.

Congrats.
......well Casper ..I don't read from you anything supporting Oswald acted alone. Not from any medical standpoint, forensic standpoint...Nothing....And just like all the rest of you WC supporters, you express opinions and that's been it....As usual you fail to present any correlation of the Kennedy head wounds to a person whether it be Oswald or not firing from the rear.anf from the 6th floor....And because none of you have, then it becomes conspiracy theory...That is your out that supports your belief that Oswald acted alone...When confronted? Just a bunch of conspiracy theories.....Nobody on this thread has given any explanation whatsoever that reconciles the head wounds to Oswald' s rifle, his position on the 6th floor to explain how a bullet fired from the rear created a massive hole at the point of entry.....Why hell. Thats a conspiracy theory.....That's been your only out. Using the term conspiracy theories plus your own opinions to justify the WC findings....

And you Casper in the Machine fall right in line..Right Caspaaa?
Originally Posted by WYcoyote
For those claiming Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy, please explain Jack Ruby's motive to murder him as he did.
That is my question. What possible motive did Jack Ruby have? It wasn't patriotism.
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You don't want to believe so many people are truly this stupid. But that only leaves gullible, misinformed, and lazy. All three combined are worse than stupid. Just to clarify for those so happily deluded. Conspiracy? Yes. Oswald shot? Nope! Huge coverup? Obviously.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
You don't want to believe so many people are truly this stupid.


Actually I do, unless you can tell me why the likes of Fetterman, Biden, Schumer, etc get even ONE vote..
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
The only thing I've learned from this thread is that bigsqeeze is an even bigger moron than Jag.

Congrats.
......well Casper ..I don't read from you anything supporting Oswald acted alone. Not from any medical standpoint, forensic standpoint...Nothing....And just like all the rest of you WC supporters, you express opinions and that's been it....As usual you fail to present any correlation of the Kennedy head wounds to a person whether it be Oswald or not firing from the rear.anf from the 6th floor....And because none of you have, then it becomes conspiracy theory...That is your out that supports your belief that Oswald acted alone...When confronted? Just a bunch of conspiracy theories.....Nobody on this thread has given any explanation whatsoever that reconciles the head wounds to Oswald' s rifle, his position on the 6th floor to explain how a bullet fired from the rear created a massive hole at the point of entry.....Why hell. Thats a conspiracy theory.....That's been your only out. Using the term conspiracy theories plus your own opinions to justify the WC findings....

And you Casper in the Machine fall right in line..Right Caspaaa?
LOL you fugkin [bleep]. I've never said Oswald acted alone...but maybe he did. What a I am positivity sure about is that the bullet that went through Kennedy's neck went through Connally. It's been proven without a shadow of a doubt through computer imaging.

You're a retard just like Jag.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
You don't want to believe so many people are truly this stupid.


Actually I do, unless you can tell me why the likes of Fetterman, Biden, Schumer, etc get even ONE vote..
👏👏👏 let the slow clap begin...
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
The only thing I've learned from this thread is that bigsqeeze is an even bigger moron than Jag.

Congrats.

Which proves you haven't learned schiett. Here is a truth for you. There once was a time all the smart fuggers like you thought the earth was flat and people would never fly.

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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by 99guy
Lee Harvey Oswald bought a $19 military surplus rifle out of a magazine and killed him because he was a communist wack job with a political agenda that wanted to be famous.

True, there were a lot of people all over the world that weren't all that sorry JFK was dead for various reasons which is the foundation of all the conspiracy theories. So many people could have had motive.

Most Americans don't want to believe or can't believe that a single simple minded person could get to the POTUS. But that is exactly what happened. There is only fantastic speculation, but not a single shred of evidence to support otherwise, but Americans for the most part can't be bothered or confused by facts if it doesn't serve their purpose or cause.

Widespread election fraud only being committed when Republican candidates loose elections being the most recent example. No Republicans question or contest any elections they win.

Another argument and conclusion of convenience.
,.......Oh bull.....The Warren Commission literally ignored mounds of evidence, provable evidence, that there was more than one shooter and a conspiracy........Ok...It's easy to say Oswald acted alone and was a nut case......So your medical, ballistic evidence proving Oswald did it alone is what?....So state exactly how you reconcile the wounds to Kennedy's head as seen by the Parkland docs with only 1 shot fired from the rear. Tell me how one shot fired from the rear as a wound of entry produces a large gaping hole several inches in diameter at the right rear of Kennedy's skull as seen by all the attending docs at Parkland......Also the House Assassinations Committee back in the late 70 s early 80s concluded that J F K was more than likely killed as a result of a conspiracy....Was what the doctor's saw in Parkland after the shooting a conspiracy theory?...All 16 of them lie as to the huge wound of exit at the back of the skull? A conspiracy theory?...You Oswald acted folk on this entire thread, not one time, have brought forth any evidence whatsoever that reconciles the condition of Kennedy's head wound as seen by the 16 docs at Parkland to Oswald or anyone else firing from the 6th floor window Depository Building....Perhaps 99guy you can offer up some clarification as to how a wound of entry in the back of the skull creates such a large gaping hole of several inches using Oswald's ammo namely a 160 gr 6.5 mm round nosed FMJ bullet that is fired from the rear?.....Also please explain how it is that WC exhibit 299 bullet weighed 158 grains after the shooting losing only 2 grains in weight while at the same time bullet fragments recovered from Connolly's leg AND the weight of the 299 bullet far exceeded 160 gr combined...So how does one fire a bullet weighing 160gr original weight, to then discover that the combined weight of both the bullet and the fragments removed weigh far more than 160 gr?........As I said earlier. You Oswald acted alone folk never address the medical or forensic evidence of the body of Kennedy and then through ballistics and forensics reconcile those wounds with Oswald's position firing only 2 shots that hit Kennedy and Connolly......

They refused to interview over 50 witnesses. Why? They had their story and were sticking to it. They had their story before the first shot was fired.
Originally Posted by DaveinWV
JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam, pissed off the Mafia, wanted to have more control over the CIA, have federal control over the FED. Did I miss anyone that would profit by his death?

And had RFK destroying the Mafia and planning to audit and destroy the Federal Reserve.
Of course, RFK had no clue. whistle

THIS: $$$$$$$ https://extranewsfeed.com/dark-politics-3acb51ae847f $$$$$$


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Ain't this fun...Gotta another one for you WC supporters. Ok. Let's assume you are correct and Oswald acted alone as described by the WC firing 3 shots from the 6th floor depository window.....You've all seen the Z film dozens or more times.

Well the Z film reveals something quite interesting. As Kennedy emerges from behind the road sign he is clearly reacting to being hit by clutching his throat. Now the WC says that same bullet struck Kennedy from the rear passing through him, then striking Connolly in the back near his right arm pit, to then shatter 4 ribs, then exit his chest near the right nipple area, to then go on and shatter his right wrist, to then lodge in his left thigh.....That's what the WC report says. That's exactly what it says.

Well how about a little more fun.

When you freeze the Z film frame by frame even moving forward for a few frames you notice anything unusual?.One frame to the next represents only 1/18th of a second.....At the instant Kennedy reacts to first being hit where is Connolly's right hand and wrist? Ay boys? Whoopsie Daisy......Well well. He is CLEARLY holding his stetson cowboy hat with that same right hand which is attached to his right wrist that the WC said was shattered BY THE SAME BULLET, WHICH at the instant Kennedy is first hit Connolly's right wrist IS NOWHERE NEAR HIS LEFT THIGH.....Now if all you WC supporters did a frame by frame freeze analysis from the instant Kennedy is first hit, you will discover that there are still a few frames from the instant Kennedy is hit to where Connolly is STILL HOLDING that stetson hat...If ya run the film at full speed the two men appear to be reacting instantly to the same bullet.....Well assuming that were even true, ya still have Connolly holding his stetson hat with his right hand and wrist at the instant Kennedy is first hit. Very visible above the top of the limo doors....

And you WC afficionados have another problem. The bullet trajectory is not lining up for ya for a bullet to pass through Kennedy, then hit Connolly where it did in his back, exit his front chest by the nipple to then shatter his wrist while he is still holding that hat at the point where the Z film clearly shows Connolly being first hit....His hand and wrist are still visible holding his hat at the instant Connolly reacts to first being hit. Ya got a problem.

John Connolly said many times in interviews on tape for ya to view, that he was not hit by the first initial bullet that Kennedy first reacted to. He was hit by another shot that was almost immediate...Oh and there is still another problem for you WC supporters....The bullet fragments removed from Connolly's thigh area did not come from Oswald' s rifle. Why? Because WC exhibit 299 aka the magic bullet weighs 158 grains. The bullet fragments removed from Connolly's thigh PLUS the weight of WC exhibit 299 WELL EXCEED 160 GR.

Oh My Lord....Hot damn....More conspiracy theories from Squeeze...Oh yeah? Slow down the Z film and see where Connolly's right wrist is at the instant of the first shot when Kennedy reacts.....

Oh my God. That damn bullet must have passed through Kennedy, stopped in mid air for a fraction of second and then slammed into Connolly AFTER his right wrist got close to his left thigh.... 😂 😂 😂.....Hot damn....Must have happened that a way......I guess them WC findings just have ways of defying bullet characteristics aaaay..... 😂 😂
Originally Posted by Willto
Originally Posted by WYcoyote
For those claiming Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy, please explain Jack Ruby's motive to murder him as he did.


... What people don't want to believe is that one lone pathetic loser like Oswald could kill the most powerful man in the world. But it's true. Hell look at what happened to Reagan. A deranged loser like Hinckley with absolutely no weapons experience at all and no one helping him put a bullet close to Reagan's heart. If he had purchased a more powerful handgun instead of the 22 he used then he probably would have killed him.


Question:

Why would there be 'secret' JFK assassination files and why have they been sealed from public access for six decades now but no sealed 'secret' files on the assassination attempt of POTUS Reagan...???
He said as a kid he would become POTUS

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He wasn't known for giving the Johnson Treatment for nothing. How many millionaire Texas ranchers had to die for LBJ to get in congress?

Remember, we are talking about the guy who agreed with Robert McNamara that if they opened the war in Vietnam that the US would never win it, yet he opened the war anyway.
^^^^^

Retard. Sorry champ, I've held back long enough.
My patient and friend and internationally renowned author, J Evetts Haley wrote this book re LBJ and illegitimate power and told me things about LBJ he couldn't put in book form on the 50 mile drive to hunt and work cattle on his ranch west of Kermit. Evetts also wrote the signed books he gave me entitled Charles Goodnight: Cowman and Plainsman.


He was a much smarter man that Ghostinthemachine.

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You can see the front of his head open up on the Zapruder film. Oswald, and Oswald alone shot him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a hit. To the contrary, I think what we’ve learned with various things over the last twenty years makes it more plausible Oswald did it as a lone nut put up to it by the mob/CIA. That’s how they operate. They get someone crazy as a schit house rat, or someone they can leverage and they get them to do it. Oswald had both. He was a nut in a lot of ways. He also had a wife and a newborn who could have been sent back to the Soviet Union or liquidated in an instant.

You don’t need teams of shooters and all this crazy schit when one guy with a rifle can do the job. And the lone nut who was supposed to get killed shortly after would explain Ruby too. Tippets was possibly corrupt as well and Oswald just got the drop on him.

Anyway, I’m certain Oswald did the shooting. I’m open to his motivations.

Same with Sirhan Sirhan.
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
LOL

You're too stupid to learn the reason for the saying "Truth is stranger than fiction".

You're too stupid to belive the truth in this.

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Apparently there are members that have never shot anything . So they have no conception of the difference between an entrance and exit wound. And also are convinced that the american people are privy to any and all evidence. Hence there is no fake news. According to this doctrine.
For you suckers who think a perforating shot from a rifle to the back of one's head makes the head jerk backward toward the gun, just hang a coyote from a tree limb by its hind leg and use your cell phone camera to record a side view as you run back to your truck 50 yards away and fire at its head from over the hood.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
You can see the front of his head open up on the Zapruder film. Oswald, and Oswald alone shot him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a hit. To the contrary, I think what we’ve learned with various things over the last twenty years makes it more plausible Oswald did it as a lone nut put up to it by the mob/CIA. That’s how they operate. They get someone crazy as a schit house rat, or someone they can leverage and they get them to do it. Oswald had both. He was a nut in a lot of ways. He also had a wife and a newborn who could have been sent back to the Soviet Union or liquidated in an instant.

You don’t need teams of shooters and all this crazy schit when one guy with a rifle can do the job. And the lone nut who was supposed to get killed shortly after would explain Ruby too. Tippets was possibly corrupt as well and Oswald just got the drop on him.

Anyway, I’m certain Oswald did the shooting. I’m open to his motivations.

Same with Sirhan Sirhan.

THIS
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
LOL

You're too stupid to learn the reason for the saying "Truth is stranger than fiction".

You're too stupid to belive the truth in this.

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Jesus Jag, get off your own dick and just accept that you're a retard.
Originally Posted by k80titus
Who did it JFK's
Originally Posted by k80titus
Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic

a) Dunno, but he dead.
b) Ever consider the possibility ya'll need to get a life? THAT is what you talk about at Thanksgiving? Really?

Tom
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Apparently there are members that have never shot anything . So they have no conception of the difference between an entrance and exit wound. And also are convinced that the american people are privy to any and all evidence. Hence there is no fake news. According to this doctrine.

This.
LBJ for the win.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
You can see the front of his head open up on the Zapruder film. Oswald, and Oswald alone shot him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a hit. To the contrary, I think what we’ve learned with various things over the last twenty years makes it more plausible Oswald did it as a lone nut put up to it by the mob/CIA. That’s how they operate. They get someone crazy as a schit house rat, or someone they can leverage and they get them to do it. Oswald had both. He was a nut in a lot of ways. He also had a wife and a newborn who could have been sent back to the Soviet Union or liquidated in an instant.

You don’t need teams of shooters and all this crazy schit when one guy with a rifle can do the job. And the lone nut who was supposed to get killed shortly after would explain Ruby too. Tippets was possibly corrupt as well and Oswald just got the drop on him.

Anyway, I’m certain Oswald did the shooting. I’m open to his motivations.

Same with Sirhan Sirhan.
.......Ok Joe....But I don't read anywhere in your post that accounts for the massive hole in the right rear portion of the skull....Not a wound of entrance my friend....Entry wounds do not create several inch diameter holes in skulls. And that is what all of the attending docs at Parkland saw not to mention the eye witnesses closer to the shooting, who all categorically have stated that the rear portion of the skull was blasted out...Also when you freeze the Z film frame by frame from 313 forward to about frame 337, you will clearly see a large bulge protruding OUT from the surface of the rear of the skull......That is not a wound of entrance...Yes. We all can see the explosion at the right front temporal area in frame 313......There is this little thing called "transfer of momentum" that needs to be dealt with. Meaning that when there is a bullet strike from the right front say to the head area, that head will be propelled to a degree backwards in the same direction the bullet is travelling. Back and to the left as is clearly seen....That initial head explosion in the right temporal area as Dr Cyril Wecht a world renowned pathologist has stated during 2 of his seminars I've attended over the years, is that initial head explosion was created by a frangible bullet....Frangible bullets fragment substantially upon impact and create more visible damage as opposed to normal bullets.....In Dr Wecht's professional opinion, Kennedy was by a frangible bullet at frame 313.
Never say "always" ...?

Leo Gordon quote: https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0330388/quotes

Quote
...[about working with John Wayne in Hondo (1953), in which Gordon played a villain who gets killed by Wayne] In the scene . . . where he kills me down by the stream, I reach for my gun and he shoots me. I buckled up and pitched forward. Wayne hollered, "Cut! Cut!", even though John Farrow was directing. Wayne says to me, "What was that? When you get hit in the gut with a slug you go flying backwards". I pulled up my shirt to show him where I'd really been shot in the gut [by police while being arrested for armed robbery many years previously]: "Yeah? I got hit point blank and I went forward".
WOW, no deflection here. I was just saying all the recorded facts and evidence puts a big question mark on one wacko shooter. But if you feel the need to insult, Give it your best shot. Oh wait you already did that and I'm still not buying your theories.
Dr Robert McClelland, JFKs last Doctor. The neck wound came in from the front. The head wound was posterior parietal and was an exit wound.

The SS pictures of Kennedy taken later and after they ILLEGALLY took Kennedy's body, essentially at gunpoint, showed a frontal forehead exit wound pushing the BS Kennedy was hit from behind.




All the attending Parkland surgeons attending the stricken Kennedy agreed on the nature of the head wound.




Dr Robert McClelland, on his surgical tx of Oswald and interesting anecdotes re the Lincoln Assassination and info about Oswald.


did anyone mention the vincent bugliosi book?
Originally Posted by lastround
LBJ for the win.

Yep, and GHW Bush.The Johnson Treatment was very effective. Stupid people can't connect the dots.

1. A couple of dead Texas ranchers to win political races in S Texas.

2. Ladybird family owned stock in Brown an Root (only construction co allowed in Nam to build Airports, Barracks, Hospitals, Army bases), Sea Container (carried all US supplies to Nam), Bell Helicopter. They made billions from Nam.

3. Started the war knowing we wouldn't win but his family won.

4. Essentially killed 55,000 US young men.

5. Started the Great Society govt giveaway program to empower the DNC and destroy America.

6. Employed G Bush and the CY A, the NWO Cabals strong arm and group who later was behind Bush and the eventual WTC Twin Towers Implosions and deaths of 3500 Americans.

7. Greased the skids of the US Bolsheviks Military Industrial complex.

Sickermores, Gayghosts, Lostashell, Northmam and Houston_2s hero -LBJ

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[quote=wahoo]did anyone mention the vincent bugliosi book?[/quote........Yep earlier. I read Buglosi's book... And there have been several other books published by Robert Grodin, Josiah Thompson among others who rip Buglosi's conclusion to shreds that Oswald acted alone..,They have also ripped to shreds Gerald Posner's book called Case Closed.(garbage) where he also concluded the same aka one lone nut job killed the POTUS......Both Buglosi and Posner just like the WC relied more on the govt evidence of a line assassin rather than looking at the very hard critical evidence of more than one assassin.....Both were a rubber stamp for the govt.
i'm sure this has been covered...who would hire oswald?
Oswald was trained and worked for the CIA....There is a letter that Robert Grodin obtained which he showed at a seminar containing verification from the govt that in fact Oswald work for the CIA....Go on YouTube and type in the search bar,,,,Robert Grodin Absolute Proof JFK Assassination....I believe it was in this seminar from a year ago this month just before the 58th anniversary where he discloses that letter document.....He also freeze frames the Z film breaking that down blowing the WC out totally of the water.......About a 1 hour 46 min video.
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Truth on the celebration of the Murchison family on JFKS death and why and how it happened.


http://worldtraining.net/JFK.htm
Originally Posted by wahoo
i'm sure this has been covered...who would hire oswald?

He worked for the CY A.

Just after the shooting when reporters rushed to his home and told his wife her husband had shot JFK she said no way. She said he worked for the CY A.
They didnt believe her and she went inside and returned with his pay stubs.

That film disappeared after being seen on tv that evening.
Willto - don't forget Kennedy was wearing a back brace.

I believed one theory after another always discovering later that something was untrue or discountable or quite a stretch.

Finally taking a long hard look at LHO as a person and his actions up to and including that day pretty much led me to the obvious conclusion.
Didn't Jackie testify she was climbing in the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFKs skull. Which was covered up because it didn't fit the narrative of the direction shots were fired. Asking a question not stating a fact.
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Didn't Jackie testify she was climbing in the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFKs skull. Which was covered up because it didn't fit the narrative of the direction shots were fired. Asking a question not stating a fact.

It wasn’t covered up.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Didn't Jackie testify she was climbing in the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFKs skull. Which was covered up because it didn't fit the narrative of the direction shots were fired. Asking a question not stating a fact.

It wasn’t covered up.

Ok thanks
In the late 70s mobster Johnny Rosselli claimed he shot JFK at close range and from the front from a storm drain on Elm Street. Said there were four of them in on it including the "patsy" said he even did a dry run. Theres more to it in Roger Stone's book on p143

In 1976 a 55 gallon drum was found off the shores of Miami containing the body of Rosselli, he had been sawn in half and stuffed inside.

Sounds like a fairy tale but who knows?
Yeah and another claimed the driver shot JFK over his shoulder with a hi-tech air pistol.
While at a gun show I saw 'classified' photo of a puff of smoke coming from the grassy knoll.....and you could see an outline of a police badge if you squinted.
Originally Posted by T_O_M
Originally Posted by k80titus
Who did it JFK's
Originally Posted by k80titus
Always a Thanksgiving dinner topic

a) Dunno, but he dead.
b) Ever consider the possibility ya'll need to get a life? THAT is what you talk about at Thanksgiving? Really?

Tom

With all due respect, the 20 pages in 3 days sort of show it is a hot topic.

Don't be so literal.
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by dakota300rum
Didn't Jackie testify she was climbing in the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFKs skull. Which was covered up because it didn't fit the narrative of the direction shots were fired. Asking a question not stating a fact.

It wasn’t covered up.

Ok thanks

That's exactly what she did.

And on her deathbed years later she told her daughter LBJ had her dad killed. Well, at least that's what Caroline said.
A friend of Aristottle Onassis, the ugly, horny greek that Jackie was in lust with. If Jack could have Marilyn, she'd have a billionaire greek.
The Kardashians are in control via Reddit .!!!!!



Originally Posted by K22
So let's keep score.....shall we?

Mom and dad had OJ. He's hot trash now. Check

Kim had Ray J on tape, and has Kanye on the ropes.

Chloe shut down Lamar Odom.

....and 'Caitlyn' used to be the All American boy.

Dad was a Hollywood warlock. But men are irrelevant now...so... the brother/son is living under a rock.

If you can't see the Arm(enian) arm of the Khazarian mob in this, you aren't trying.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Oswald was trained and worked for the CIA....There is a letter that Robert Grodin obtained which he showed at a seminar containing verification from the govt that in fact Oswald work for the CIA....Go on YouTube and type in the search bar,,,,Robert Grodin Absolute Proof JFK Assassination....I believe it was in this seminar from a year ago this month just before the 58th anniversary where he discloses that letter document.....He also freeze frames the Z film breaking that down blowing the WC out totally of the water.......About a 1 hour 46 min video.
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Holy fuqk! It's Monday evening and this dumb fuqk is stiil at it. Sad little sleeze LOL.
Originally Posted by Justagirl
WOW, no deflection here. I was just saying all the recorded facts and evidence puts a big question mark on one wacko shooter. But if you feel the need to insult, Give it your best shot. Oh wait you already did that and I'm still not buying your theories.

In your first post to me you called me vaxed sweet cheeks. Seemed like an insult to me. Then you get a stick up your @$$ because I returned fire. If you can't take it don't dish it out.
Originally Posted by DaveinWV
JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam, pissed off the Mafia, wanted to have more control over the CIA, have federal control over the FED. Did I miss anyone that would profit by his death?
Ladybird and family.
Originally Posted by 99guy
Lee Harvey Oswald bought a $19 military surplus rifle out of a magazine and killed him because he was a communist wack job with a political agenda that wanted to be famous.

True, there were a lot of people all over the world that weren't all that sorry JFK was dead for various reasons which is the foundation of all the conspiracy theories. So many people could have had motive.

Most Americans don't want to believe or can't believe that a single simple minded person could get to the POTUS. But that is exactly what happened. There is only fantastic speculation, but not a single shred of evidence to support otherwise, but Americans for the most part can't be bothered or confused by facts if it doesn't serve their purpose or cause.

Widespread election fraud only being committed when Republican candidates loose elections being the most recent example. No Republicans question or contest any elections they win.

Another argument and conclusion of convenience.

The fact that they buried the evidence for 75 years, and even, as President, Trump could not get it released.....is the evidence.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by 99guy
Lee Harvey Oswald bought a $19 military surplus rifle out of a magazine and killed him because he was a communist wack job with a political agenda that wanted to be famous.

True, there were a lot of people all over the world that weren't all that sorry JFK was dead for various reasons which is the foundation of all the conspiracy theories. So many people could have had motive.

Most Americans don't want to believe or can't believe that a single simple minded person could get to the POTUS. But that is exactly what happened. There is only fantastic speculation, but not a single shred of evidence to support otherwise, but Americans for the most part can't be bothered or confused by facts if it doesn't serve their purpose or cause.

Widespread election fraud only being committed when Republican candidates loose elections being the most recent example. No Republicans question or contest any elections they win.

Another argument and conclusion of convenience.

The fact that they buried the evidence for 75 years, and even, as President, Trump could not get it released.....is the evidence.

Bingo
Originally Posted by Raferman
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
All the competing - and some overlapping - theories are cute! Pick the one that soothes you best. You have 482 shooters to choose from.

Though, in fairness, all of the hard evidence points to LHO and LHO alone. A fact that will keep your imagination going places...
Fair enough, why the continued coverup then?

What's being covered up? Ah, the files?... I really don't know, but chances are that Syphillis, and downright democrat corruption, have more to do with it than the CIA. Also, the "coverup" doesn't change hard evidence...makes sense?
What makes you think you have the hard evidence, when there's 16,000 records still being withheld?

Suck on this: The Warren Commission. Ever read it?

Even if you're a govt sucking dumbass, how do you know which govt story to believe, the WC or the House Assassination Committe findings which differ.


Dumb of the dumb and dumber Q squad is on the case.
And now we have calls4cum.
LOL




LotsofRail calling someone else dumb.

Lol.
Let's start a new thread on Lincoln's killing.
It needs some input from the tinfoil hat crowd.
What about RFK and MLK too.
Then we have Garfield ------
I find it hard to believe that anyone can look at four dead bodies and not understand there is a connection.

Yes four. JFK, LHO, JR, and when it became obvious that RFK would soon be in a position to expose the lies, THEY killed him too.
The connection is that there are millions of whack jobs running loose.
The idea that anyone could keep this a secret is what is really hard to believe.
Originally Posted by ElkHtrNevada
The connection is that there are millions of whack jobs running loose.
The idea that anyone could keep this a secret is what is really hard to believe.

Yeah, kinda like keeping the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” a secret for what, 40 years.....
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
I find it hard to believe that anyone can look at four dead bodies and not understand there is a connection.

Yes four. JFK, LHO, JR, and when it became obvious that RFK would soon be in a position to expose the lies, THEY killed him too.

If they were all connected, and I don’t necessarily doubt that they were, why was JFK the only one who required the sniper teams deployed in storm drains, in windows, behind fences and so and so forth? The others were victims of lone assassins.

For that matter lone assassins nearly got Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan too. They did get Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
You can see the front of his head open up on the Zapruder film. Oswald, and Oswald alone shot him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a hit. To the contrary, I think what we’ve learned with various things over the last twenty years makes it more plausible Oswald did it as a lone nut put up to it by the mob/CIA. That’s how they operate. They get someone crazy as a schit house rat, or someone they can leverage and they get them to do it. Oswald had both. He was a nut in a lot of ways. He also had a wife and a newborn who could have been sent back to the Soviet Union or liquidated in an instant.

You don’t need teams of shooters and all this crazy schit when one guy with a rifle can do the job. And the lone nut who was supposed to get killed shortly after would explain Ruby too. Tippets was possibly corrupt as well and Oswald just got the drop on him.

Anyway, I’m certain Oswald did the shooting. I’m open to his motivations.

Same with Sirhan Sirhan.
You cannot be certain Oswald did anything if you refuse to review any of the honest, in depth, research and analysis. The question is why you or anyone else would choose to believe such elaborate and easily debunked theories - simply because the Government promotes them. Why in the hell?
Originally Posted by ElkHtrNevada
The connection is that there are millions of whack jobs running loose.

Not to mention a few on this thread...
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by JoeBob
You can see the front of his head open up on the Zapruder film. Oswald, and Oswald alone shot him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a hit. To the contrary, I think what we’ve learned with various things over the last twenty years makes it more plausible Oswald did it as a lone nut put up to it by the mob/CIA. That’s how they operate. They get someone crazy as a schit house rat, or someone they can leverage and they get them to do it. Oswald had both. He was a nut in a lot of ways. He also had a wife and a newborn who could have been sent back to the Soviet Union or liquidated in an instant.

You don’t need teams of shooters and all this crazy schit when one guy with a rifle can do the job. And the lone nut who was supposed to get killed shortly after would explain Ruby too. Tippets was possibly corrupt as well and Oswald just got the drop on him.

Anyway, I’m certain Oswald did the shooting. I’m open to his motivations.

Same with Sirhan Sirhan.
You cannot be certain Oswald did anything if you refuse to review any of the honest, in depth, research and analysis. The question is why you or anyone else would choose to believe such elaborate and easily debunked theories - simply because the Government promotes them. Why in the hell?

I find it more plausible that any conspiracy would involve pressuring or manipulating a semi deranged individual to commit a murder than I do that teams of shooters would be deployed in storm drains, behind miniature fences in miniature plazas, that secret service agents would accidentally shoot the president, that George Bush was standing outside the schoolbook depository, or any other suck cockamamy bullschit some of you would rather believe.
IF, ...there truly was a conspiracy of individuals/groups/agencies directly involved in and behind the JFK assassination, all the conspiracy theories that have evolved over the years since have only added to the misdirection, making the likelihood that if any factual truth were ever revealed it still will forever still remain a conspracy theory.
How can you find some cockimamy "magic bullet, lone nut" theory plausible without considering indisputable, factual, evidence presented by serious (and honest) investigators? Forget fuzzy photographs, silly theories, elaborate reenactments intentionally flawed and sincere mistakes, like Roger Craig's "second Mauser rifle." Mark Lane questioned the official narrative immediately, as did many others when the Grassy Knoll testimony was so common from eye witnesses. The government's own released documents point to obvious fraud. Arlen Specter got creative and Gerald Ford altered the autopsy report to agree with his ridiculous fabrication. Jim Mars' Crossfire is very good. The movie JFK asks a pivotal question, why not shoot him when he's closer coming straight toward you? A [bleep] rifle that could not be tested without shimming the scope? It turned out to have LBJ's hitman Mac Wallace's finger prints on it. What's the gratification in believing such nonsense as the Warren Commission? The truth is chilling, for sure. It was a coup detat!
How would Oswald have known the exact route Kennedy would take in time to execute a plan that day? Kennedy actually wanted and was supposed to go a different route to the Trade Mart but that was nixed by Johnson and his staff. There was a party thrown the night before by Clint Murchison and other oil barons at a hotel downtown. Johnson attended and Hoover flew down on his private jet and flew back to Washington. Assonating a president even in those innocent days was quite a task. The only way it could've been successful was with inside help. The lucky shot theory doesn't hold water. The firearm Oswald supposedly used was notorious for being inaccurate and unreliable. The Dallas Police wouldn't even listen to their officers about what they heard and found at the scene.
LBJ left a trail of dead bodies from Texas to Washington. His nickname was "Landslide Lyndon" because everyone knew he attained office by fraud. Bobby was about to unmask that fraud and Lyndon would've been convicted. Nobody in Washington will tolerate a scandal of that magnitude. Had the commission outed the truth of the assentation America would've come unglued. Many cannot handle the truth to this day.
https://docplayer.net/60141044-The-mannlicher-carcano-disassembly-and-reassembly.html

Read this. This is the Warren commission theory on how the Carcano assembled, was too long to fit in the paper bag that they claim Oswald used to transport the rifle day of. Since it was too long, they are forced to say it was disassembled and reassembled using a coin to turn the screws just before the shooting. This rifle has 12 different parts that have to be reassembled. Imagine you went on a hunt, how confident would you be?

It is not a Tikka.
Definitely not a Tikka! It's a mean little devil to shoot. You can hit anything you want with it as a club.
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