Must be a thankless job.

https://www.25newsnow.com/2023/01/1...rged-with-patients-death/?outputType=amp

Hey! How did they know he wasn't still a threat??

Cops didn't say "hey man, face down isn't good"? Why aren't they charged for allowing the negligence to happen?

Because he was black and might have stabbed them.

I might have missed it, but were they paid EMS or volunteers? Seems like a perfect way to tank any volunteer department's recruiting efforts.

Fugking amazing no one has beat me to it yet.

I would be remiss not to post

More and more incentive to "just not respond" to calls like that..

I worked as a paramedic for 14 years. We had to restrain many patients, you get drunks, you get meth heads, psychos, and you get nutcakes with an attitude who will slap a medic or an ER nurse and I have seen it happen. You get 'em all in EMS work.

I had to restrain many patients, we had big leather handcuffs and we could strap their wrists to the side of the stretcher.

Charged with first degree murder. Damn.
First of all you see the racial component, obviously the EMTs did not go out there with the idea of murdering a patient. That takes first degree murder right off the table. Take out the racial component this wouldn't even qualify as second degree murder. Manslaughter at worst, and even then the DA would have a thin case.

First degree murder. Damn.

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Is there a possibility it’s done so they don’t choke on their own vomit or swallow their tongue?


Osky

Yes, if you restrain a patient, on their back, they can inhale their own vomit and this is a very bad thing. Normally you want to keep the patient on their side.

oh Lor'v thy don kil d

maybe I missed it but why were the police there to start with?

When a black druggie overdoses you better not be anywhere near them and white. Fentanyl Floyed strikes again.

Wow, first degree murder does sound extreme. I wonder how they arrived at that. Negligence, probably, depending on their training or lack of training. Sometimes EMS probably just wants to get the heck out of the neighborhood ASAP. Not sure if that was the case here.

Dont know about other states, but in La. if you are attempting to help someone, you are covered by the 'Good Samaritan' law.

Dont know the situation in this case, but if they were afraid the patient might vomit or if their were injuries that prevented the patient from being on their back, placing them on their stomach would be acceptable. However, placing the straps too tight is not acceptable.

You stepped out of the Bounds

You are not aloud to ask that question.

Ya no This is all about Race and nothing more.


But not with the spin they are spinning it in

Reverse the Raced remarks and you will be closer to the true agenda of this case.

Yep. 🤪

This crew simply screwed the pooch and if they don’t have local protocols or atleast company policies supporting their actions they are SOL.

Positional asphyxia is a real thing and it only gets worse with hyperventilation or excited delirium.

Restraining any patient face down has been forbidden on a national level for probably 20 years. Mechanical 4 point soft restraints, 3 seatbelts with shoulder straps used correctly and no one is getting loose.

If the situation calls for it some chemical sedation and maybe a spit sock but never face down!

Background: 25 year career EMT and state licensed ems instructor and evaluator.

I’m betting aspirations skyrocket.

The DA in Minneapolis got by with it so why not here ?? If we had a sick person who had the risk of throwing up they went belly side down. Ooopps. Our bad, I guess.

kwg

Even if they are a licensed ems provider?

Good samaritan laws are in place to protect lay people. Generally not people who are licensed.


In case of vomiting, a patient should be on his or her side.

And yes...you can long board and secure a combative patient on his side.

"Restraining any patient face down has been forbidden on a national level for probably 20 years."

Interesting. I got out of EMS 28 years ago. We did not have protocols forbidding face down restraints. On the other hand, I don't ever remember restraining someone face down. I carried lots of patients out of our ER who ER staff had restrained, taking them on transfers to the State Mental Institution, and I myself restrained quite a few in the field.

Of course you want to keep an eye on the airway even with a patient who is conscious and alert. And you want to talk to them. You can't do that if they are face down. Of course if there was risk of vomiting you put them on their side.

I would think that negligent homicide would be the correct charge. Murder is the deliberate killing of a human.

That's it - no more EMS calls to deal with toxic drunks or druggies in trouble - they will just have to deal with their consequences of their own bad habits. Too dangerous for EMS workers.

Yes Jim, even if they are licensed. I copied and pasted this...

Louisiana’s Good Samaritan Law protects medical personnel, such as physicians, surgeons, and physician assistants, and all other individuals who render aid in good faith to someone in need. This aid may be rendered at any emergency scene in the state.

Birdwatcher: "Thankless" does NOT begin to describe the horrors of dealing with the common American ghetto-ites!
I did so for 29 years professionally, and knowing what I know now and if I had ANY idea how thankless and horrible it would be dealing with ghetto-ites and ghetto spawn, I would have chosen another line of work!
Sad, but the truth.
I do NOT know the particulars of this case for sure but again "thankless" does not even come close to accurately describing dealing with common ghetto-rats on a daily basis.
"Thankless" is only about 5% of the horrors and troubles one will encounter dealing with welfare rats and ghetto spawn on a daily basis in today's America.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

There’s just not enough information to go on in that article. As mentioned by others here if trying to mitigate secondary aspiration of vomit or other bodily fluids the patient’s airway would typically be managed with them on their side, not face down. I’ve restrained countless patients through the years and I don’t recall a single instance of restraining someone face down…I’m sure there are times where that might be appropriate but not in the usual “course of business”. Restraints are, or at least used to be, a contentious issue that required extra details and justification in the subsequent reports. Forcing medical care on an uncooperative patient is a sort of gray area because adults generally have the right to refuse any and all medical care.

I don’t know why they restrained him face down but I agree with Simon in that 1st degree murder doesn’t sound applicable in the least here. I figure that these charges are an extension of the racial animosity that is being fed and fostered by the left against whites. The verbal abuse that us whites would have to tolerate on various calls back then was a prelude to the government supported racism of today. It’s also because of my experiences that I’ve never sought out diversity and why I’ve moved my family several times to escape the encroachment of diversity. Our little island has a small handful of black families and they make up the .2% of the black population here. They are normal professional families with good kids.

They only act, after the fact.

When they said 'face down', I thought it meant on his stomach with his head turned to the side. Maybe he was literally face down.