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Posted By: Bob_mt 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
for me...economy either one.....being tuff on crime....border...etc either one I think.

2a?.....trump on "lets take the guns ...then will figure it out"....red flag has always bothered me.

head to head how do you think they stack up.......bob
Posted By: Bob_mt Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
who would be the strongest for the 2a.....or does that not matter ....bob
I think desantis is a creature of the establishment.

Trump.
Posted By: muleshoe Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
If we don’t fix the voting flaws I doubt either could win.

I would prefer Trump.
Posted By: LBP Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Bump stocks and red flags bothered me.
Posted By: luv2safari Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Flip a coin...same outcome.
Posted By: DigitalDan Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...itutional-carry-gun-law-desantis-renner/
Posted By: BobMt Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by muleshoe
If we don’t fix the voting flaws I doubt either could win.

I would prefer Trump.

Mule..not asking who can win....who do you feel would be better as far as the 2a....
Posted By: sidepass Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Either way it'd be a better road than we're currently on. Lets get there first and start a conversation.
Posted By: AU338MAG Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by LBP
Bump stocks and red flags bothered me.
Red Flag laws are a VERY slippery slope....
Posted By: BobMt Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by sidepass
Either way it'd be a better road than we're currently on. Lets get there first and start a conversation.

I think we are there now....as I said I think they seem to be equal on a lot of things.

The 2a will be one of the things that could be a deal breaker for me....bob
We've not established yet that between Biden, Schumer and Garland that there even WILL be an election in 2024!
If the libs have their way, they will just take turns appointing each other "Head Ruler" or some such.

As of this moment, Trump is the only one who has actually declared. So, at this point, it's Trump.
Would love to see DeSantis declare. I think he'd make a good POTUS.

I reserve the right to alter my choice at will! 😉
Posted By: rte Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by Bob_mt
for me...economy either one.....being tuff on crime....border...etc either one I think.

2a?.....trump on "lets take the guns ...then will figure it out"....red flag has always bothered me.

head to head how do you think they stack up.......bob

Your inability to construct a proper sentence is worrisome.

Your political acumen is non existent.

The tactic is called "trolling" aka "tell them anything and give them nothing".

The Demonrats have been doing this as long as I've been alive.Why not use this tactic against them ?
Posted By: BobMt Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by Bob_mt
for me...economy either one.....being tuff on crime....border...etc either one I think.

2a?.....trump on "lets take the guns ...then will figure it out"....red flag has always bothered me.

head to head how do you think they stack up.......bob

You inability to construct a proper sentence is worrisome.

Your political acumen is non existent.

The tactic is called "trolling" aka "tell them anything and give them nothing".

The Demonrats have been doing this as long as I've been alive.Why not use this tactic against them ?

The mere fact that you find that worrisome and not their stance on the 2a....makes you sound like a kunnt.

Don't want or need a troller ......President should stand up for it or not..........bob
Posted By: akrange Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
I think desantis is a creature of the establishment.

Trump.

He knows how to pick a Staff and Win..

Ain’t none of this 1 Foot Forward and 2 Steps Back ..

I see the NJ Beluga has Surfaced Again..
Posted By: rte Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by BobMt = uneducated hillbilly
The mere fact that you find that worrisome and not their stance on the 2a....makes you sound like a kunnt.

Don't want or need a troller ......President should stand up for it or not..........bob


Troller.Haahahahahaha.

It would be a waste of time attempting to explain political tactics to an uneducated hillbilly like yourself.lol
Posted By: BobMt Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by BobMt = uneducated hillbilly
The mere fact that you find that worrisome and not their stance on the 2a....makes you sound like a kunnt.

Don't want or need a troller ......President should stand up for it or not..........bob


Troller.Haahahahahaha.

It would be a waste of time attempting to explain political tactics to an uneducated hillbilly like yourself.lol

Like that..huh......and it looks like it would be a waste of time explaining what having a backbone means.

At least you didn't take issue with you being a kunnt..we have found common ground....bob
Posted By: rte Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by BobMt = uneducated hillbilly
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by BobMt = uneducated hillbilly
The mere fact that you find that worrisome and not their stance on the 2a....makes you sound like a kunnt.
Don't want or need a troller ......President should stand up for it or not..........bob
Troller.Haahahahahaha.

It would be a waste of time attempting to explain political tactics to an uneducated hillbilly like yourself.lol
Blah,blah,blah.

Uneducated hillbilly!

Hahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Posted By: Mountain10mm Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
A vote for Trump is a vote for democrats. He has pissed too many people off and those against him are vehemently so - despite a good track record of successes. No way he'll have the votes to win an election. It's a guaranteed win for the democrats if he's the nominee. And a guaranteed win for media as they could bitch about him for four years and attract all sorts of empathetic viewers blaming their life's woes on him. Desantis has shown good direction and strong leadership.
Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
A vote for Trump is a vote for democrats. He has pissed too many people off and those against him are vehemently so - despite a good track record of successes. No way he'll have the votes to win an election. It's a guaranteed win for the democrats if he's the nominee. And a guaranteed win for media as they could bitch about him for four years and attract all sorts of empathetic viewers blaming their life's woes on him. Desantis has shown good direction and strong leadership.


Bullshît
We've not established yet that between Biden, Schumer and Garland that there even WILL be an election in 2024!
If the libs have their way, they will just take turns appointing each other "Head Ruler" or some such.

As of this moment, Trump is the only one who has actually declared. So, at this point, it's Trump.
Would love to see DeSantis declare. I think he'd make a good POTUS.

I reserve the right to alter my choice at will! 😉
Posted By: steve4102 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by Bob_mt
for me...economy either one.....being tuff on crime....border...etc either one I think.

2a?.....trump on "lets take the guns ...then will figure it out"....red flag has always bothered me.

head to head how do you think they stack up.......bob

Although DeSantis did not sign FL Red Flag Law, he is a staunch supporter of it and has suggested other States follow FL Model
Posted By: cznut Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Trump.......I dont know enough about DeSantis, he seems ok but Trump has been there, knows the ropes, etc
Posted By: gunchamp Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/08/23
Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
A vote for Trump is a vote for democrats. He has pissed too many people off and those against him are vehemently so - despite a good track record of successes. No way he'll have the votes to win an election. It's a guaranteed win for the democrats if he's the nominee. And a guaranteed win for media as they could bitch about him for four years and attract all sorts of empathetic viewers blaming their life's woes on him. Desantis has shown good direction and strong leadership.
Never trumper huh? F uc kin rinos
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by BobMt
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by BobMt = uneducated hillbilly
The mere fact that you find that worrisome and not their stance on the 2a....makes you sound like a kunnt.

Don't want or need a troller ......President should stand up for it or not..........bob


Troller.Haahahahahaha.

It would be a waste of time attempting to explain political tactics to an uneducated hillbilly like yourself.lol

Like that..huh......and it looks like it would be a waste of time explaining what having a backbone means.

At least you didn't take issue with you being a kunnt..we have found common ground....bob

Bob, ignore that twit.

As to your original question, that’s a hard one because DeSantis hasn’t had the platform and national exposure that Trump had so grading him either way is difficult except for him not signing the proposed red flag initiative. That’s a plus.

Unless Trump was purposely misquoted by the msm his remarks following the bump stock episode were very bothersome to me as were his remarks against the NRA and being afraid of them. IF those comments from him are accurate and not misquotes then that’s a big minus2 as it regards the 2A, only.

As others have said here and elsewhere on various threads, his performance as President has been outstanding in my opinion and I’ve not ever seen anyone better at doing what got done in only 4 yrs time while all the time fighting every step of the way, swimming upstream and taking on the whole world.

Jmo
Posted By: Pat85 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Obama, Bush and DeSantis all graduated with a Harvard law degree. this country as we remember it will never survive another Harvard lawyer at the helm.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Pat85
Obama, Bush and DeSantis all graduated with a Harvard law degree. this country as we remember it will never survive another Harvard lawyer at the helm.

Bush graduated from Yale not Harvard.

Not much different, I’d agree.
Posted By: MadMooner Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Primary, as of now, I’d likely go DeSantis over Trump.

General, either Trump or DeSantis. Which ever wins the primary.


I’d schit my pants if they ran Joe. He’s soooo fugkin old! Can you you imagine him in 5 or 6 years🤪
Posted By: Hypocrite Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
If you believe shall not be infringed is absolute than you have to recognize that Trump isn’t our friend on that front. He just isn’t a hard line supporter of gun rights.

If you factor everything else in he might could still be the best choice we have right now unfortunately.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by MadMooner
Primary, as of now, I’d likely go DeSantis over Trump.

General, either Trump or DeSantis. Which ever wins the primary.


I’d schit my pants if they ran Joe. He’s soooo fugkin old! Can you you imagine him in 5 or 6 years🤪

Trump could be a very major factor in DeSatis’ success by throwing his weight and support behind him.
Posted By: shootem Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
No one will win this argument. Hot air, bloviating and more posts re: “You’re a bigger azzwhole than I am” than pertaining to which candidate is better suited to direct the nation toward solvency. So I’ll throw my two cents in.

Trump was a great president despite himself, abrasive in the New York tradition. Trump and the nation were robbed in 2020. Trump makes a habit of cheap shots; many when there is a lot to lose and little to gain. Trump would take office again at the age of 78. Trump signed the death warrant on bumpstocks. Trump somehow aided the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people when he allowed society to be taken over by Fauci, Pfizer, and those similar. Trump was really bad at filling cabinet positions. While he was running his mouth his detractors were running him down. But again, Trump was a great president in spite of his weaknesses.

DeSantis has been a great governor intentionally with a congenial persona. DeSantis so far has not been torpedoed by the opposition. DeSantis has made enemies through actions deemed positive by his supporters, not cheap shots; see Disney & public school control. DeSantis would take office at the age of 47. DeSantis has so far done nothing I’m aware of detrimental to the 2nd Amendment. Though I’m unsure of DeSantis’ vax status he has given hell to the fearmongers, power grabbers and profiteers associated with the dastardly, untruthful, wicked and unconstitutional push for forced adoption of unproven science. DeSantis has so far been very successful in surrounding himself with those who share his beliefs and goals. No one in his inner circle has attempted to spoil his efforts to work for the people who elected him. And again, DeSantis has been a great governor through intent; working with those he could, against those who opposed his agenda, with respect of those deserving, and powering over those deserving.

I prefer DeSantis based on the comparisons above. I’m sure there are other issues to consider such as those supporting his campaign that have questionable motives. In the end I believe he will sort the wheat from chaff.
Posted By: JMR40 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
I don't trust either.

Trump will do or say whatever he needs to say to get elected. He has no core principles and will do what he thinks is best for him. He would have run as a Democrat in 2016 if he had thought that was the best path to the Whitehouse. If he thinks public opinion is in favor of an AWB and if taking that position will get him more votes he'll support an AWB.

Desantis is Mini-Trump.
Posted By: Raspy Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
A vote for Trump is a vote for democrats. He has pissed too many people off and those against him are vehemently so - despite a good track record of successes. No way he'll have the votes to win an election. It's a guaranteed win for the democrats if he's the nominee. And a guaranteed win for media as they could bitch about him for four years and attract all sorts of empathetic viewers blaming their life's woes on him. Desantis has shown good direction and strong leadership.

President Trump’s character is no national secret. He is crude, sometimes brutal, and not what most people would call "presidential." He admits as much himself…but he is a fighter.

Before the act of God known as COVID-19, Trump presided over the strongest U.S. economy in generations. His de-regulatory and tax reform agenda did more, than the generations of Democratic false claims and promises. Trump raised the wages of working-class families, and black and Hispanic workers benefited most. The world may never quite return to normal, but it will be better if Trump's economic policies could at least stay in place….

Yes, Trump's manner and character inspire strong doubts, but when conservatives vote, we should keep in mind the damage that Biden has done to our republic. The only meaningful way to prevent more catastrophes is to vote for Trump if the wins the 2024 nomination…again, Trump is a fighter, loves our country dearly, and we truly need him now to help us save our nation. I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination.
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
One of Trump's supposed election points on the 2nd Amendment was getting rid of the oppressive, expensive and stupid regulations on suppressors--which have long been legal (and about a 10th the price in America) in various European countries. After the election there was zip done--or even attempted.

Admittedly, this is a minor issue compared to some others, but there it is...or was.
Posted By: Sycamore Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Pat85
Obama, Bush and DeSantis all graduated with a Harvard law degree. this country as we remember it will never survive another Harvard lawyer at the helm.

Bush graduated from Yale not Harvard.

Not much different, I’d agree.

daddy bush undergrad yale

baby bush harvard bidness school.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
One of Trump's supposed election points on the 2nd Amendment was getting rid of the oppressive, expensive and stupid regulations on suppressors--which have long been legal (and about a 10th the price in America) in various European countries. After the election there was zip done--or even attempted.

Admittedly, this is a minor issue compared to some others, but there it is...or was.

Why hasn't the Montana legislature broached the issue like it tried and failed to under the last guv?
Posted By: Sycamore Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
One of Trump's supposed election points on the 2nd Amendment was getting rid of the oppressive, expensive and stupid regulations on suppressors--which have long been legal (and about a 10th the price in America) in various European countries. After the election there was zip done--or even attempted.

Admittedly, this is a minor issue compared to some others, but there it is...or was.

at 1/10th the price and no ATF stamp, there would be as many silencer shops in AZ as there are dispensaries.

talk about good for the economy....
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Dunno! But they seem to be obsessed by other stuff.

Haven't heard anything about DeSantis' opinion on it either...
Posted By: CopperSolid Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Bob_mt
for me...economy either one.....being tuff on crime....border...etc either one I think.

2a?.....trump on "lets take the guns ...then will figure it out"....red flag has always bothered me.

head to head how do you think they stack up.......bob

You answered your question. Categorically.
TrumpTards, however, will shriek their vaginas.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Pat85
Obama, Bush and DeSantis all graduated with a Harvard law degree. this country as we remember it will never survive another Harvard lawyer at the helm.

Bush graduated from Yale not Harvard.

Not much different, I’d agree.

daddy bush undergrad yale

baby bush harvard bidness school.

Syc you may be right but I believe that baby bush followed daddy’s footsteps to and through Yale.

Check out Wiki and Britannica.
I could be wrong.
Posted By: Jackson_Handy Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Trump had his chance.

Can we please get a president that isn't 80 for the love of God?
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Trump had his chance.

Can we please get a president that isn't 80 for the love of God?

Age is a big factor.
Posted By: CopperSolid Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Trump had his chance.

Can we please get a president that isn't 80 for the love of God?
We will. But the nuts, the schizos, and the T-tards will flame your request.
Posted By: Jackson_Handy Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Trump had his chance.

Can we please get a president that isn't 80 for the love of God?
We will. But the nuts, the schizos, and the T-tards will flame your request.

I voted for Trump, but as I said, he had his chance.
Posted By: CopperSolid Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Trump had his chance.

Can we please get a president that isn't 80 for the love of God?
We will. But the nuts, the schizos, and the T-tards will flame your request.

I voted for Trump, but as I said, he had his chance.
Voted 3 times for him. Time to move on.
He is a waste of a troll.
Posted By: Fubarski Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
I'll go with the guy that can get at least 81 MM legit votes.

At least means, not includin the ones that was cheated away from him.
Posted By: Calvin Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/09/23
I am going to vote for whoever the R nominee is. Gonna be an interesting year and I am sure he banter on the 24HCF will keep it interesting
Posted By: Sycamore Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/10/23
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Pat85
Obama, Bush and DeSantis all graduated with a Harvard law degree. this country as we remember it will never survive another Harvard lawyer at the helm.

Bush graduated from Yale not Harvard.

Not much different, I’d agree.

daddy bush undergrad yale

baby bush harvard bidness school.

Syc you may be right but I believe that baby bush followed daddy’s footsteps to and through Yale.

Check out Wiki and Britannica.
I could be wrong.

baby bush Yale undergrad (bachelors) you are right.
THEN he went to Harvard Business School, for Masters.

just like a regular Texan does.
Posted By: Pat85 Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/10/23
Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
A vote for Trump is a vote for democrats. He has pissed too many people off and those against him are vehemently so - despite a good track record of successes. No way he'll have the votes to win an election. It's a guaranteed win for the democrats if he's the nominee. And a guaranteed win for media as they could bitch about him for four years and attract all sorts of empathetic viewers blaming their life's woes on him. Desantis has shown good direction and strong leadership.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wants to kick the the can down the road and let future generations clean up this mess.
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/11/23
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
One of Trump's supposed election points on the 2nd Amendment was getting rid of the oppressive, expensive and stupid regulations on suppressors--which have long been legal (and about a 10th the price in America) in various European countries. After the election there was zip done--or even attempted.

Admittedly, this is a minor issue compared to some others, but there it is...or was.

Why hasn't the Montana legislature broached the issue like it tried and failed to under the last guv?

Jim,

The only reason I can imagine is that it's a Federal regulation--but with the Republican governor and majority, why not at least bring it up?

Actually, there may be another reason: Some people are making a lot of money "helping" shooters deal with the "silencer" regulations. Plus, suppressors that might cost $100 to produce can be sold for 10 times as much.

John
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: 2a trump or desantis - 02/11/23
Hadn't thought about that!


Makes sense.
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