They arrested some poor slob Reporter for trying to Report what was happening.
All the Other Reporters are doing what they are told so they do not get Arrested them selves.
Sounds like it’s a lot more serious than they’re making it out to be. But they’re shooting down balloons so there’s that. Fugkin idiots running this country.
MSM is damn near silent. What a mess, and sounds like bad decisions on the part of officials is making it worse.
Lots of talk on twitter regarding the disaster. Norfolk Southern is worth $55 billion, they can afford to blackout anything they want in the MSM. MSM doesn't give a crap about you and me.
MSM is damn near silent. What a mess, and sounds like bad decisions on the part of officials is making it worse.
Lots of talk on twitter regarding the disaster. Norfolk Southern is worth $55 billion, they can afford to blackout anything they want in the MSM. MSM doesn't give a crap about you and me.
You’re right and the railroad exists in its own universe too.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Probably the best video about what happened in Pennsylvania/Ohio and it’s pretty mind blowing. <a href="https://t.co/VbG0kzplRs">pic.twitter.com/VbG0kzplRs</a></p>— Erin Elizabeth Health Nut News 🙌 (@unhealthytruth) <a href="https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/status/1624938064207290368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
MSM is damn near silent. What a mess, and sounds like bad decisions on the part of officials is making it worse.
I have operated trains thru Salem and East Palestine the news coverage in this article is not entirely accurate, when the Engineer is notified of a defect from a detector the action required is to stop the train with what is called safe train handling. This would typically be reducing the throttle and then apply the train brakes at a normal rate (Service Rate) not an emergency brake application, in fact using an emergency brake application would be considered improper train handling (Unless an emergency was known). The Engineer would be fully aware he was carrying Hazardous Material and applying the brakes in an emergency application would require the conductor to walk the entire train and inspect it and therefore an Engineer initiated emergency application would be avoided at all cost. Now as soon as the train derailed this would cause an automatic emergency brake application this might be where the reporter miss-reported.
At approximately 8:55pm on February 3rd a major train derailment happened near the border between Ohio and Pennsylvania. In an Ohio town called East Palestine, a Norfolk Southern train pulling 150 cars derailed. 20 of those cars were carrying hazardous materials, including a liquified substance called “Vinyl Chloride.”
A massive explosion and fire resulted from the derailment and the nature of the cargo. In an effort to mitigate the problem, responding emergency authorities dug a trench and allowed the chemicals to burn off into the atmosphere. However, vinyl chloride turns into hydrochloric acid when it mixes with water vapor. The resulting chemical toxins can travel with wind, forming toxic clouds.
Several people in the downwind region from the initial explosion have reported health issues. Additionally, animals and fish have been reported to have been killed in the zone where the chemical cloud traveled.
There is now increasing concern about longer term impacts from the release of the chemicals including vinyl chloride.
The White House and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg have been silent on the issue.
Norfolk Southern and the EPA released the full list of chemicals that were being transported, they include:
They arrested some poor slob Reporter for trying to Report what was happening.
All the Other Reporters are doing what they are told so they do not get Arrested them selves.
Sounds like it’s a lot more serious than they’re making it out to be. But they’re shooting down balloons so there’s that. Fugkin idiots running this country.
thanks for bringing this up
yep, the patriotic goobers much more interested in the super bowel and the half time show
rail rail roads donate tens of millions to politicians every year so any crime goes untouched
I'm surprised I haven't already seen the boomers and others chime in with "why, I've handled chemicals, eaten food cooked on teflon, breathed in paraquat fumes, showered in Roundup, worn asbestos underwear, gotten dozens of vaccinations, and I'm in perfect health! Them chemicals ain't dangerous!"
I'm surprised I haven't already seen the boomers and others chime in with "why, I've handled chemicals, eaten food cooked on teflon, breathed in paraquat fumes, showered in Roundup, worn asbestos underwear, gotten dozens of vaccinations, and I'm in perfect health! Them chemicals ain't dangerous!"
Can't believe nobody saw that covered hopper and called it in somehow. Oh, that's right, the trains are so forking long you can't even SEE that far, oh, that's right, no calabooses no more. But drug 20 miles like THAT? Nobody awake anywhere?
There are unverified reports, in the area of the disaster, of the recently dead reanimating, shambling around, and repeating the word "brains." Residents are advised to remain indoors.
This [bleep] is getting bad. 4 derailments, a chemical "accident" that is being actively covered up, a dozen balloons, and a pile of UFOs... in a week!
There are unverified reports, in the area of the disaster, of the recently dead reanimating, shambling around, and repeating the word "brains." Residents are advised to remain indoors.
Worried residents near Ohio train derailment report dead fish and chickens as authorities say it's safe to return Residents around East Palestine fear they, their animals and water sources were exposed to hazardous chemicals. Feb. 13, 2023, 7:04 PM CST By Aria Bendix and David K. Li | NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ment-report-dead-fish-chickens-rcna70378
Ohio train derailment: Rep. Omar calls out Buttigieg for 'direct action,' Vance says 'many questions remain' Ohio Sen. JD Vance said he's heard 'alarming anecdotes about contaminated waterways and effects on wildlife' By Paul Best | Fox News | Published February 13, 2023 6:36pm EST https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oh...on-buttigieg-vance-many-questions-remain
Other than NPR every one of those is from 10 days after it happened. And if you have to google it to find it then yeah, it’s being buried.
Yes its crazy. Like i said, where are all the environmental warriors on this? A true disaster worthy of non stop coverage. Nope, its getting burried. Nothing to see here
when the Engineer is notified of a defect from a detector the action required is to stop the train with what is called safe train handling.
Do the wayside detectors classify defects into different categories, or do they just detect when something is wrong and notify the operators?
It depends a bit on the detector. Some are there to detect dragging equipment only, some are for hot journals (bearings). A message should be transmitted via radio identifying the type of defect and location. Usually it will give an axle number and the conductor can compare it to his manifest and figure out which car. An immediate stop and walking inspection are required when a detector tags you.
Vinyl Chloride is regulated as a Hazardous Air Pollutant (HAP) under the Clean Air Act and there is no known safe exposure level same as asbestos and mercury. This is bad.
This area is one of the very few in the region that doesn't get its water from the Ohio River. Our water comes from the Kentucky River. The Kentucky River flows into the Ohio River about 60 miles north of here in Carrollton, Kentucky.
The spring rains will flush it into the Gulf of Mexico. The interesting thing will be what happened to the land east of there when it starts raining hydrochloric acid.
I pray that this can be contained and they can get to the bottom of what happened. We are having far too many catastrophes, and nothing gets reported. how long will it be before those poor people can go home and take up their lives again? The railroads are making huge profits. Around here train car limits have been thrown to the wind. Trains are far too long and this administration has made transportation insane. We need to be free of liberal lunacy.
The old saying amongst the city water boys was and maybe still is "the solution to pollution is dilution". We'll need a major precipitation event to maybe get this down to tolerable levels, but the shear amount of pollution released is going to be a problem for anyone and everything in the immediate area. I feel sorry for everyone to the East who is downwind.
It's been on nearly every channel for days, updated yesterday afternoon and again this morning. You all don't see it, because you don't watch real news, and what you do get you try and twist and spread in miss information. True it's not on around the clock, but then you all have made such a fuss over this balloon deal, that that's the story getting all the coverage. You all don't want news; you want anything that you can twist into propaganda and conspiracy's pre election that is still 2 years off.
The new tankers are supposed to withstand derailments, could be the railroad and first responders trying to take short-cuts to cleaning up the mess, maybe in an effort to clear the track quickly. Or they didn't have a complete documents package listing all the chemicals carried, Safety Data Sheets, and Hazardous Materials: Emergency Response Information Requirements. From what I've been reading somebody sure screwed the pooch.
I'm surprised I haven't already seen the boomers and others chime in with "why, I've handled chemicals, eaten food cooked on teflon, breathed in paraquat fumes, showered in Roundup, worn asbestos underwear, gotten dozens of vaccinations, and I'm in perfect health! Them chemicals ain't dangerous!"
Worried residents near Ohio train derailment report dead fish and chickens as authorities say it's safe to return Residents around East Palestine fear they, their animals and water sources were exposed to hazardous chemicals. Feb. 13, 2023, 7:04 PM CST By Aria Bendix and David K. Li | NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ment-report-dead-fish-chickens-rcna70378
Ohio train derailment: Rep. Omar calls out Buttigieg for 'direct action,' Vance says 'many questions remain' Ohio Sen. JD Vance said he's heard 'alarming anecdotes about contaminated waterways and effects on wildlife' By Paul Best | Fox News | Published February 13, 2023 6:36pm EST https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oh...on-buttigieg-vance-many-questions-remain
The new tankers are supposed to withstand derailments, could be the railroad and first responders trying to take short-cuts to cleaning up the mess, maybe in an effort to clear the track quickly. Or they didn't have a complete documents package listing all the chemicals carried, Safety Data Sheets, and Hazardous Materials: Emergency Response Information Requirements. From what I've been reading somebody sure screwed the pooch.
Phil
I think containment should have been the plan, not setting it on fire.
Other than NPR every one of those is from 10 days after it happened. And if you have to google it to find it then yeah, it’s being buried.
Yes its crazy. Like i said, where are all the environmental warriors on this? A true disaster worthy of non stop coverage. Nope, its getting burried. Nothing to see here
Yep and where are the environmentalists that shut down the lobster industry over whales now that whales are dying around wind farms. A real mystery.
The new tankers are supposed to withstand derailments, could be the railroad and first responders trying to take short-cuts to cleaning up the mess, maybe in an effort to clear the track quickly. Or they didn't have a complete documents package listing all the chemicals carried, Safety Data Sheets, and Hazardous Materials: Emergency Response Information Requirements. From what I've been reading somebody sure screwed the pooch.
Phil
Another spectacular failure by the Biden adminstration! Mayor Pete probably too busy breast feeding his twin babies born out her husband's prostrate
when the Engineer is notified of a defect from a detector the action required is to stop the train with what is called safe train handling.
Do the wayside detectors classify defects into different categories, or do they just detect when something is wrong and notify the operators?
The detectors state the defect Hot axle, Dragging equipment, or excessive impact. Not all detectors are equipped to detect all three defects, hopefully the action of the Engineer was to slow the train down as soon as he or she was notified and they didn't just call the Train Dispatcher and ask them to review the Detector tape.
I'm surprised I haven't already seen the boomers and others chime in with "why, I've handled chemicals, eaten food cooked on teflon, breathed in paraquat fumes, showered in Roundup, worn asbestos underwear, gotten dozens of vaccinations, and I'm in perfect health! Them chemicals ain't dangerous!"
blah blah blah
Stophel is retard central.
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by Stophel
I'm surprised I haven't already seen the boomers and others chime in with "why, I've handled chemicals, eaten food cooked on teflon, breathed in paraquat fumes, showered in Roundup, worn asbestos underwear, gotten dozens of vaccinations, and I'm in perfect health! Them chemicals ain't dangerous!"
Youse guys need to take it easy on the railroad...I've got a pretty good block of Norfolk Southern preferred.
I believe your company is about to get sued. Big time sued. Today might be the day to cash out.
kwg
Railroad bastards have been treated with kid gloves since its inception! Maybe they’re protecting Warren Buffets rich fat ass! I read the RR sent $25,000 to the town! I’d told them to stuff that check where the sun don’t shine!
An train wreck of chlorine gas and who know whatever else was involved in a wreck west of Missoula Montana some years ago. Thankfully it happened in an very rural location. Even a year or more after the event one could smell the chemicals after the wreck. Train wrecks are serious and dangerous and I'm certain this latest incident will be covered up and little done about the contamination of ground, air, and people.
turns out our community does not get its water from the Ohio river, we collect run off that goes into the river and they have very little concern about any contaminate getting into what they call the well field.
turns out our community does not get its water from the Ohio river, we collect run off that goes into the river and they have very little concern about any contaminate getting into what they call the well field.
so I feel better about that now.
The runoff into what river? Water from a river and runoff that goes into the river is same
turns out our community does not get its water from the Ohio river, we collect run off that goes into the river and they have very little concern about any contaminate getting into what they call the well field.
so I feel better about that now.
The runoff into what river? Water from a river and runoff that goes into the river is same
Runoff from local sources don't join the river until it's past the water treatment plant.
We have a similar situation here. Our water supply comes from the Kentucky river. The Kentucky river flows into the Ohio River 60 miles north of the water treatment plant.
turns out our community does not get its water from the Ohio river, we collect run off that goes into the river and they have very little concern about any contaminate getting into what they call the well field.
so I feel better about that now.
The runoff into what river? Water from a river and runoff that goes into the river is same
Runoff from local sources don't join the river until it's past the water treatment plant.
We have a similar situation here. Our water supply comes from the Kentucky river. The Kentucky river flows into the Ohio River 60 miles north of the water treatment plant.
Ok makes sense , so they get it upstream from a tributary I believe it’s called.
This type of ecological disaster will be adversely and fatally affecting people for decades and decades to come. There will be a HUGE presence of government and non government NGO’s in the surrounding communities for years to come. They’ll be promising honesty, transparency and working together for the common good but the reality is that they are there to line their own pockets. They’ll run extensive water quality tests and they’ll throw billions into water treatment and other avenues where none of the money actually goes to or helps the people affected. People will continue to get sick and die while the rulers will deny that it has any relationship to this disaster. People that have large farms and ancestral acreage and others that have a defiant nature will stay but there should be no question that getting out of the area is the only protection from this mess. I’d use the firefighter HAZMAT “rule of thumb” measure which states that you hold your thumb out in front of you at arms length and you walk away from the scene until your thumb covers the entire scene. 😀
I don’t say this lightly because I understand the monumental undertaking it is to move your family but in this case I’d MOVE! I’d sell or walk away and move far enough away (and upstream) from the leakage and seepage of these carcinogenic chemicals and their potential contamination of the water table….including the growth of our fruit, vegetables and meat from that area. The government will spin wild bullshit tales about how safe everyone is while in a year there’ll be a huge increase in the number of 2 headed sloths born at the local hospital.
This is relatively rural Ohio.. full of White Trump supporters. THEY DON'T CARE. In fact, our overlords want these people dead... and suffering while they die.
This type of ecological disaster will be adversely and fatally affecting people for decades and decades to come. There will be a HUGE presence of government and non government NGO’s in the surrounding communities for years to come. They’ll be promising honesty, transparency and working together for the common good but the reality is that they are there to line their own pockets. They’ll run extensive water quality tests and they’ll throw billions into water treatment and other avenues where none of the money actually goes to or helps the people affected. People will continue to get sick and die while the rulers will deny that it has any relationship to this disaster. People that have large farms and ancestral acreage and others that have a defiant nature will stay but there should be no question that getting out of the area is the only protection from this mess. I’d use the firefighter HAZMAT “rule of thumb” measure which states that you hold your thumb out in front of you at arms length and you walk away from the scene until your thumb covers the entire scene. 😀
I don’t say this lightly because I understand the monumental undertaking it is to move your family but in this case I’d MOVE! I’d sell or walk away and move far enough away (and upstream) from the leakage and seepage of these carcinogenic chemicals and their potential contamination of the water table….including the growth of our fruit, vegetables and meat from that area. The government will spin wild bullshit tales about how safe everyone is while in a year there’ll be a huge increase in the number of 2 headed sloths born at the local hospital.
My apologies if already addressed, but I swear I saw a photo taken from a passenger aircraft above the Ohio disaster. It was an immense, ominous dark cloud! Expect more of this !
This type of ecological disaster will be adversely and fatally affecting people for decades and decades to come..
Spot on as usual
No, i'ts not. I've been involved in cleaning up hazardous waste sites including spills since 1983. Right now we have ongoing projects in Ohio with oversight by Ohio EPA. Vinyl chloride is nasty stuff but cleaning up a spill is straightforward. The good thing abut a spill response is, the contaminants have only been there a few weeks and haven't migrated very far in soil or groundwater and everything is contained in a relatively small area. As opposed to a dump site that no one knew about for decades. Contain and remove the liquids (some of which were burned), and then dig up the top few feet of soil that was contaminated and treat it. Pop in some soil borings and sample the soil down to the water table to confirm the depth of contamination, and dig out more soil if required. Install a few shallow monitoring wells and confirm that the contaminants didn't infiltrate down to the water table, or if they did, treat the groundwater either in-place or by pumping it to the surface and treating it. Ohio EPA will be looking over the railroad's shoulder every step of the way, and most likely collecting soil and groundwater samples for testing separately from the railroad.
Also, the environmental fate and transport of vinyl chloride and related compounds has been studied to death because VC is a natural biodegradation product of very common groundwater contaminants, tetrachloroethene and trichloroethene (PCE and TCE). PCE and TCE biodegrade to dichloroethene, which biodegrades into VC and then ethene. VC is easily biodegraded, doesn't persist in the environment, and doesn't travel very far in groundwater before it degrades. Every Air Force base in the country has a least one plume of chlorinated solvents in groundwater (or had, some have been cleaned up) because they were used as degreasers in maintenance operations before we had laws on the books regulating management of hazardous wastes. So the Air Force has done a ton of R&D on the degradation processes, and even developed a suite of groundwater remediation technologies that rely on biodegradation of the contaminants by natually-occurring microbes, sometimes enhanced by providing "food" for the microbes to increase biodegradation rates. I've looked at probably dozens of groundwater contaminant plume maps and once the chlorinated solvents degrade to VC, it doesn't last long and it doesn't travel far in the environment.
The environmental impacts of a spill like this are nasty in the short-term, not so much in the long-term.
Whats interesting in all of this. Soros IIRC, maybe another one like him..., was the killer for the dangers of pipelines in the current administration. Because he owned trains....
Its not covered in the media simply because they want to make sure that people don't know how often trains derail which could lead to a push for pipelines again.
This type of ecological disaster will be adversely and fatally affecting people for decades and decades to come..
Spot on as usual
No, i'ts not. I've been involved in cleaning up hazardous waste sites including spills since 1983. Right now we have ongoing projects in Ohio with oversight by Ohio EPA. Vinyl chloride is nasty stuff but cleaning up a spill is straightforward. The good thing abut a spill response is, the contaminants have only been there a few weeks and haven't migrated very far in soil or groundwater and everything is contained in a relatively small area. As opposed to a dump site that no one knew about for decades. Contain and remove the liquids (some of which were burned), and then dig up the top few feet of soil that was contaminated and treat it. Pop in some soil borings and sample the soil down to the water table to confirm the depth of contamination, and dig out more soil if required. Install a few shallow monitoring wells and confirm that the contaminants didn't infiltrate down to the water table, or if they did, treat the groundwater either in-place or by pumping it to the surface and treating it. Ohio EPA will be looking over the railroad's shoulder every step of the way, and most likely collecting soil and groundwater samples for testing separately from the railroad.
Also, the environmental fate and transport of vinyl chloride and related compounds has been studied to death because VC is a natural biodegradation product of very common groundwater contaminants, tetrachloroethene and trichloroethene (PCE and TCE). PCE and TCE biodegrade to dichloroethene, which biodegrades into VC and then ethene. VC is easily biodegraded, doesn't persist in the environment, and doesn't travel very far in groundwater before it degrades. Every Air Force base in the country has a least one plume of chlorinated solvents in groundwater (or had, some have been cleaned up) because they were used as degreasers in maintenance operations before we had laws on the books regulating management of hazardous wastes. So the Air Force has done a ton of R&D on the degradation processes, and even developed a suite of groundwater remediation technologies that rely on biodegradation of the contaminants by natually-occurring microbes, sometimes enhanced by providing "food" for the microbes to increase biodegradation rates. I've looked at probably dozens of groundwater contaminant plume maps and once the chlorinated solvents degrade to VC, it doesn't last long and it doesn't travel far in the environment.
The environmental impacts of a spill like this are nasty in the short-term, not so much in the long-term.
What about burning it and launching all that mess into the atmosphere? How far could it travel and rain down causing contamination elsewhere?
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
Whats interesting in all of this. Soros IIRC, maybe another one like him..., was the killer for the dangers of pipelines in the current administration. Because he owned trains....
Its not covered in the media simply because they want to make sure that people don't know how often trains derail which could lead to a push for pipelines again.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
That dingleberry is trying to make Norfolk southern look good. Why would he do that?
This type of ecological disaster will be adversely and fatally affecting people for decades and decades to come..
Spot on as usual
No, i'ts not. I've been involved in cleaning up hazardous waste sites including spills since 1983. Right now we have ongoing projects in Ohio with oversight by Ohio EPA. Vinyl chloride is nasty stuff but cleaning up a spill is straightforward. The good thing abut a spill response is, the contaminants have only been there a few weeks and haven't migrated very far in soil or groundwater and everything is contained in a relatively small area. As opposed to a dump site that no one knew about for decades. Contain and remove the liquids (some of which were burned), and then dig up the top few feet of soil that was contaminated and treat it. Pop in some soil borings and sample the soil down to the water table to confirm the depth of contamination, and dig out more soil if required. Install a few shallow monitoring wells and confirm that the contaminants didn't infiltrate down to the water table, or if they did, treat the groundwater either in-place or by pumping it to the surface and treating it. Ohio EPA will be looking over the railroad's shoulder every step of the way, and most likely collecting soil and groundwater samples for testing separately from the railroad.
Also, the environmental fate and transport of vinyl chloride and related compounds has been studied to death because VC is a natural biodegradation product of very common groundwater contaminants, tetrachloroethene and trichloroethene (PCE and TCE). PCE and TCE biodegrade to dichloroethene, which biodegrades into VC and then ethene. VC is easily biodegraded, doesn't persist in the environment, and doesn't travel very far in groundwater before it degrades. Every Air Force base in the country has a least one plume of chlorinated solvents in groundwater (or had, some have been cleaned up) because they were used as degreasers in maintenance operations before we had laws on the books regulating management of hazardous wastes. So the Air Force has done a ton of R&D on the degradation processes, and even developed a suite of groundwater remediation technologies that rely on biodegradation of the contaminants by natually-occurring microbes, sometimes enhanced by providing "food" for the microbes to increase biodegradation rates. I've looked at probably dozens of groundwater contaminant plume maps and once the chlorinated solvents degrade to VC, it doesn't last long and it doesn't travel far in the environment.
The environmental impacts of a spill like this are nasty in the short-term, not so much in the long-term.
Did you ever happen to work on the Superfund site at Dahlgren? I was just curious if they ever finished cleaning up the ash deposits
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
That dingleberry is trying to make Norfolk southern look good. Why would he do that?
LOL, what have I said that makes Norfolk Southern "look good?" And what have I said that isn't 100% accurate?
This just happens to be a subject I know something about since I've been in the business of cleaning up similar sites for 40 years now.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
are any of those compounds carcinogenic? Meaning if you're exposed to a large dose unknowingly can it result in some form of cancer later in life?
I think we all know the answer. American citizens have always been expendable by our government and big uncontrolled corporations like Pfizer, RR's, big defense corps ....
How much money did this rail road donate to politicians? There's your an.... oh wait I see a Chinese balloon !!!!!!
EPA is the last source of info I would trust. They have a horrible record
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by smokepole
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
are any of those compounds carcinogenic? Meaning if you're exposed to a large dose unknowingly can it result in some form of cancer later in life?
Whats interesting in all of this. Soros IIRC, maybe another one like him..., was the killer for the dangers of pipelines in the current administration. Because he owned trains....
Its not covered in the media simply because they want to make sure that people don't know how often trains derail which could lead to a push for pipelines again.
You're thinking of Warren Buffet and BNSF.
There ya go. Same type of [bleep] though.
I'd rather it burn personally. The dilution for the most part is better that way.
Media makes people scared of their own shadow. But not scared of what they should be scared of.
EPA is the last source of info I would trust. They have a horrible record
LOL, a horrible record at what? Producing a fact sheet that lists physical constants for chemicals that you can easily look up with any other source and verify?
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
EPA is the last source of info I would trust. They have a horrible record
LOL, a horrible record at what? Producing a fact sheet that lists physical constants for chemicals that you can easily look up with any other source and verify?
I doubt there is a train anywhere in the country that isn't hauling some sort of HAz mat, simply by volume. i just diud a haz mat inspection on a tank truck. the material was not required to be placarded while in transport, but as soon as it is used on location it is haz mat. the average person has no friggin clue about the table in 172.101
christ a company pick up truck with a gross vehicle weight registration of 10,001 pounds hauling a 5 gallon can of gas is legally a haz mat vehicle and if he crashes can be reported as a haz mat crash
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Did you study Ft. Bragg?
No. What do they have in the ground there that you're interested in?
Anytime there is a tank truck or tank car on fire or near a fire. The first thing that comes to mind is BLEVE. If you don’t know what this is goggle is your friend. I would be surprised if this small town had the water supply to protect the tank cars. Sometimes the best option is to let it burn. Then the concern is POC. Hasbeen.
EPA is the last source of info I would trust. They have a horrible record
LOL, a horrible record at what? Producing a fact sheet that lists physical constants for chemicals that you can easily look up with any other source and verify?
EPA FAILED TO CORRECT INDUSTRY MISINFORMATION ABOUT DEADLY AIR POLLUTION AT PUBLIC MEETINGS “We need people more than we need ethylene oxide,” responded one outraged resident. “Stop making it, stop putting it out there.” Sharon LernerSharon Lerner October 13 2021, 3:00 a.m. AT SEVERAL RECENT information sessions on the risks posed by the carcinogenic air pollutant ethylene oxide, the Environmental Protection Agency invited local polluters to participate and failed to correct the companies’ false assertions that the chemical poses no danger.
The EPA held eight meetings about ethylene oxide in Texas and Louisiana in August and September, more than a year after a March 2020 report from the EPA inspector general noted that the agency had failed to inform 25 communities about local dangers from the chemical. Before the report, the EPA did tell some people living near facilities that emit ethylene oxide that they had an increased risk of developing cancer, and in the case of one affluent Illinois town, that information led to the shuttering of the offending plant.
Such accidents are certainly a concern for those in the immediate area, but it's been an interesting watch. The media pretty much covers concerned tearful citizens that just admittedly took some antibiotics for an unrelated respiratory infection, but never kicks out any of the hard data on air/water quality that's being gathered.
Some surfing suggests their water is absolutely fine but it's never reported.
Just report/show me the numbers and let me be responsible for my own destiny.
As to warnings when hazardous materials are passing though the community: Given our diverse truck and train traffic, one would have to remain continuously tethered to his warning system if he plans on vacating with every passage.
Once had a helo support truck spill 50 gallons of "jet fuel (essentially kerosene)" when it tipped into a ditch. One would have thought the whole 10,000+ square mile county had instantly become a super fund site from the media response. A 5-year old with a kitchen match could have rectified the situation in 20 minutes.
Similarly, we have a few earth muffin communities here in Oregon. One could fly over, spray them with distilled water, and 9-eyed babies would be born the following day with the offending agency at fault.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Did you study Ft. Bragg?
No. What do they have in the ground there that you're interested in?
Everything is hyped beyond belief, the news idiots, and all the other nitwits hoping to score from a "class action" lawsuit regardless of actual consequences. I mean, Lansing MIchican will never be the same again, the Spartans will never win another game. Wonder how many students die each year from alcohol poisoning and/or car crashes.
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Did you study Ft. Bragg?
No. What do they have in the ground there that you're interested in?
Dry cleaner dump/leak, big class action lawsuit.
Those are pretty common, perchloroethylene is the solvent dry cleaners normally use. Or rather, used to use.
list all of the chemistry classes you took in college
did you take chem 1, 2 plus, labs, organic chem 1 and 2 and in inorganic chem and labs?
more clown world
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Like I said, short-term impacts are nasty. Short-term impacts were not the subject of the post I commented on.
And the long-term impacts of a one-time short duration smoke plume depositing airborne contaminants are miniscule compared to spilling them or disposing of them in one spot. They get dispersed and diluted in the air and on the ground. The exception would be long-lived radionuclides.
I read that VC takes a very long time to naturally break down. Any truth to that at all?
Half life in soil on the order of a day or less; it's very volatile and evaporates quickly. Half life in air of a day or two, it readily degrades. If/when it hits groundwater it's not very persistent, especially compared to other chlorinated ethenes like PCE and TCE. It's a smaller organic molecule and is more easily broken down, or biodegraded.
Did you study Ft. Bragg?
No. What do they have in the ground there that you're interested in?
Dry cleaner dump/leak, big class action lawsuit.
Those are pretty common, perchloroethylene is the solvent dry cleaners normally use. Or rather, used to use.
Just heard on patriot channnel heading to work this morning that a couple walked over to a stream and threw a large rock in. Once the rock hit the tream bed, chemicals came up and the entire area was covered with a rainbow sheen. Pretty sure this is much worse than any of these government clowns are leading on, which is oretty obvious
Just heard on patriot channnel heading to work this morning that a couple walked over to a stream and threw a large rock in. Once the rock hit the tream bed, chemicals came up and the entire area was covered with a rainbow sheen. Pretty sure this is much worse than any of these government clowns are leading on, which is oretty obvious
Keeping Pete Buttboy in front of the Cameras for a extended time would of course be Major Tragedy for Mr. Pudd’n ..
Bluntly a Two National Tragedies..
The Marxist Press Knows trying to cover two Tragedies meaning Ohio and Buttboys Glaring Lies and lack of any real skill would Destroy the Administration and the Marxist Agenda..
Could be the way I've been reading all the updates but seems to me that there was little to no attempt at putting out the fire until late Saturday or early Sunday (some 24 to 36 hours later), and one fire representative saying, "that we won't go in until ordered to do so". And if the worry of explosion which was over just one car that supposedly had an inoperative pressure safety release valve, and they were going on external temperature readings alone, something that probably wouldn't have been necessarily had the fire been fought early on. Then of course there is the concern itself. If a controlled release is deemed necessary to prevent explosion, you are going to use explosive charges to release the agent... can be done, but risky at best. And the excuse of cold weather and water freezing in the fire engines. Well
I'll stick to my first opinion; someone really screwed the pooch. Railroad, First Response, Documentation, and Response. Take your pick if not all.
One thing you can bet on, there won't be any clean-up...
Just heard on patriot channnel heading to work this morning that a couple walked over to a stream and threw a large rock in. Once the rock hit the tream bed, chemicals came up and the entire area was covered with a rainbow sheen. Pretty sure this is much worse than any of these government clowns are leading on, which is oretty obvious
Contaminated soil: To date, 3,150 cubic yards of contaminated soil have been removed from the area of the derailment. This soil has been moved into containers and stockpiled for proper disposal, according to the EPA. Once the impacted soil is removed, the remaining soil is covered with mulch to absorb any additional seepage and to absorb the chemicals. The mulch is regularly replaced to ensure continued absorption. The chemical-laden mulch is then stockpiled for proper disposal. The process to remove contaminated soil and control seepage will continue.
Contaminated water: Although most contaminants did not enter local waterways, contaminants are pooling at the derailment site in puddles and ditches, according to the EPA. A total of 942,000 gallons of contaminants and contaminated liquid have been removed from the immediate site. It is estimated that 110,000 gallons of contaminants at the site will be removed for proper disposal within the next 24 hours
Contaminated soil: To date, 3,150 cubic yards of contaminated soil have been removed from the area of the derailment. This soil has been moved into containers and stockpiled for proper disposal, according to the EPA. Once the impacted soil is removed, the remaining soil is covered with mulch to absorb any additional seepage and to absorb the chemicals. The mulch is regularly replaced to ensure continued absorption. The chemical-laden mulch is then stockpiled for proper disposal. The process to remove contaminated soil and control seepage will continue.
Contaminated water: Although most contaminants did not enter local waterways, contaminants are pooling at the derailment site in puddles and ditches, according to the EPA. A total of 942,000 gallons of contaminants and contaminated liquid have been removed from the immediate site. It is estimated that 110,000 gallons of contaminants at the site will be removed for proper disposal within the next 24 hours
Ghost’s prediction here makes as much sense as Russia putting 97% of their Army in Ukraine. JFC
Could be the way I've been reading all the updates but seems to me that there was little to no attempt at putting out the fire until late Saturday or early Sunday (some 24 to 36 hours later), and one fire representative saying, "that we won't go in until ordered to do so". And if the worry of explosion which was over just one car that supposedly had an inoperative pressure safety release valve, and they were going on external temperature readings alone, something that probably wouldn't have been necessarily had the fire been fought early on. Then of course there is the concern itself. If a controlled release is deemed necessary to prevent explosion, you are going to use explosive charges to release the agent... can be done, but risky at best. And the excuse of cold weather and water freezing in the fire engines. Well
I'll stick to my first opinion; someone really screwed the pooch. Railroad, First Response, Documentation, and Response. Take your pick if not all.
One thing you can bet on, there won't be any clean-up...
Phil
Several things I will tell you from experience. In the beginning of situations like this its like a Chinese fire drill. Even in situations where trained hazmat responders deal with chemical leaks. Remember municipal fire teams usually deal with house fires. Now even if they had adequate training it’s doubtful they had the equipment ( fire trucks ) or the big thing , WATER SUPPLY.
Now in situations like this a lot emergency responders lives have been lost running into situations before they knew what they are dealing with. Most everything can be replaced except loss of life.
Also it takes a while to get Industrial Hygiene monitoring in place to get an idea of exposure levels.
The local people are scared and they should be. But the media hype doesn’t help. What people need is facts and they are usually hard to come by, especially early on in an emergency. The unknown is usually the most frustrating.
Biden is waiting to figure out how to blame Trump.
They already have, the way train brakes are applied was either hand valve, electronically controlled valve or some other style called ECM which somehow gets the brakes to all work simultaneously even though the air compressors are at one end of the train. The Norfolk southern company successfully lobbied senator Thune not to make the new brake initiating style mandatory.
Then came 2017: After rail industry donors delivered more than $6 million to GOP campaigns, the Trump administration — backed by rail lobbyists and Senate Republicans — rescinded part of that rule aimed at making better braking systems widespread on the nation’s rails.
Sure they have, they haven't even cleaned up the wreckage yet... about the only thing they have done is start to clear the right of way of wreckage, level the ground, and spread ballast for new track. You all do realize how small an area 3,100 cubic yards is and yet the number of trucks required would be. Stop to think...
Didn't say anything about its completeness, I said it won't be done!
Phil
It's already being done, numb nuts. Plus, 3,100 cubic yards is not an area, it's a volume. If they removed the top foot of soil, that's an area of 83,700 square feet. And I'd be willing to bet they're not done yet.
It's an area of approx. 40 x 79 yards, 1 yd. deep. or if you wanted to put it differently, its about the same area as about 1 mile of track. Getting new track down is all that will matter.
It's an area of approx. 40 x 79 yards, 1 yd. deep. or if you wanted to put it differently, its about the same area as about 1 mile of track. Getting new track down is all that will matter.
Phil
And you know they excavated to three feet deep how?
Didn't say they did anything to any depth, or that they actually dug up any of the contaminated soil. What I said is all they have done is clear the right of way for new track and ballast, and that if anything was actually hauled off it was only in clearing out all the old ballast and broken ties and any other material needed to level out the roadbed
So the next photos should be workers in hazmat suits laying track?
Yeah because you know the governor is gonna let them rebuild without a cleanup. No public pressure on him to do otherwise.
Everyone will be suited up for show. The only one’s doing any work will be swinging sledges. The rest will be running around with fake air testing monitors. “All clear here..swing away.”
Whatever soil or material was loaded into containers for storage or hauled off. That would have taken time and should be pretty visible to the public. Would have taken about 120 open 30' containers, that would have had to been lined with plastic sheeting and covered before putting it on the road and hauled off to storage.
Surely there is a 24-hour member that lives locally that has witnessed all of this going on.
Whatever soil or material was loaded into containers for storage or hauled off. That would have taken time and should be pretty visible to the public. Would have taken about 120 open 30' containers, that would have had to been lined with plastic sheeting and covered before putting it on the road and hauled off to storage.
Surely there is a 24-hour member that lives locally that has witnessed all of this going on.
Phil
Millions witnessed Election Fraud also. BFD says your commie crew. No chain of command, no holding of ballots for the required 22 months, tens of thousands of ballots dropped by mules in ballot boxes,.....
Didn't say they did anything to any depth, or that they actually dug up any of the contaminated soil. What I said is all they have done is clear the right of way for new track and ballast, and that if anything was actually hauled off it was only in clearing out all the old ballast and broken ties and any other material needed to level out the roadbed
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