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Jill Filipovic is a journalist based in New York and author of the book “OK Boomer, Let’s Talk: How My Generation Got Left Behind.” Follow her on Twitter. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely her own.


The shutdown of Silicon Valley Bank has a lot of Americans understandably worried. Chaos and tension are palpable. The Biden administration is scrambling to stabilize the banking sector and many populist voters are chafing at the idea of what they fear could be another bailout, while some conservatives are bizarrely blaming the breakdown on “wokeism” because the bank’s entire board wasn’t White and male. And then there are Millennials like me, stressed but somewhat resigned as we conclude: This again.

While “Millennial” is often treated as shorthand for “young,” the oldest of my generation are in our 40s, and our lives are not nearly as stable as we would hope. That’s in part because of a series of crises that have disrupted our earning and wealth-building power. The financial crash of 2008 happened just as many of us were entering our working years, and as the first in, we were often the first out.

The rest of our adult lives have looked like this: instability, job losses, recovery, reversal. While many of us managed to reenter the labor force after losing jobs, our earnings have taken permanent hits. We lost a larger proportion of our earnings from the Great Recession than any other adult generation, and by entering the workforce at a time of cut wages and more competition, we were set up for a lifetime of lower earnings and less savings.

As we entered our 20s and 30s, housing prices skyrocketed, putting home ownership largely out of reach. At the same time, jobs were increasingly concentrated in large cities – the places where housing costs, including rent, were highest. As many of us poured huge chunks of our take-home pay into our monthly rental costs and our astronomical student loan payments, there wasn’t much left over to save for a down payment.

With interest rates now high, the promise of home ownership feels even further away for many Millennials. We remain far behind Boomers, Gen Xers, and even members of the Silent Generation when it comes to home ownership in one’s 20s, 30s and 40s. We live with our parents longer; when we move out, we are more likely to rent than to buy.

Then, Covid-19 hit. The pandemic was a disaster for everyone, and was deadliest for the oldest Americans. But it was financially calamitous for working parents and for single moms of young children in particular.

And who were most of America’s working parents of young children during Covid-19? Millennials. Many of us struggled to work for pay and care for kids who were suddenly home full time; it was Millennial (and some older Gen Z) mothers who were the most likely to lose or be forced to quit their jobs, interrupting their earnings and career trajectories in crucial years – money and opportunities they will never get back.

And now, another potential crash on the horizon, this one coming in our prime working years. Already, the tech industry – with its many Millennial-owned businesses, and an employer of so many Millennials – has been laying off workers en masse. Meta just announced it is terminating another 10,000 workers, after eliminating 11,000 in November. Now, with the failure of Silicon Valley Bank, we see the threat of even greater disaster at worst, and yet more instability to cope with at best.

And we wonder: Why haven’t the people in charge worked harder to secure our futures?

Millennials have unusual politics in the sense that we are a broadly liberal generation that has not grown more conservative with age. While older adults tacked right as they hit middle age, Millennials have not.

This is not a coincidence. American Millennials were born into the Ronald Reagan’s America, one in which the safety net had been badly punctured and the stage was set for radical inequality to take root. As we entered the world, America diverged from our economic peers in Europe – our health care costs skyrocketed while our health outcomes and life expectancy stagnated. Many European nations implemented generous paid parental leave policies, invested in public transport and planned for affordable childcare while the US simply did not; American special interests pushed both parties to strip away the guardrails that kept banks from taking unforgivable risks and kept things like college affordable.

Millennials have paid the price. While we’ve done everything right – we went to college in record numbers, delayed marriage and child rearing, spend less frivolously and save more diligently – we have still found ourselves entering middle age feeling like financially insecure 20-somethings. And we are wising up to the fact that this isn’t our fault – that it wasn’t the avocado toast.

We see Baby Boomer politicians who refuse to step down and make way for the next generation, and who also refuse to invest in our lives and futures. We look across the pond or up north and see our European and Canadian peers who get months off when they have babies, who are not drowning in student loan debt, who can go to the doctor without worrying about overdrawing their checking accounts or torpedoing themselves into bankruptcy, whose toddlers are eating fresh vegetables in free or affordable high-quality daycare and who go on long paid vacations every summer.

We see Republicans in particular who try to distract us by fearmongering about drag shows and gay penguins while they keep throwing our lives into precarity. Former President Donald Trump, notably, rolled back some of the regulations put in place after the 2008 financial crisis, opening the door to this new one, and it’s Republicans who are fighting student debt relief all the way up to the Supreme Court.

We are staring down the possibility of yet another crisis, again caused by a feckless and greedy financial industry and a Republican Party that has put the interests of banks over the basic stability and well being of the rest of us. I don’t speak for every Millennial, but I certainly hope President Joe Biden does everything in his power to keep the US economy, and by extension the global one, stable and afloat.

I realize that may require some politically unpopular choices. But Millennials have borne the brunt of these repeated failures, which threaten to keep us broke, stressed and financially unstable for the rest of our lives. And we deserve a long-overdue bailout.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/opinions/sillicon-valley-bank-millennials-crisis-filipovic/index.html
Originally Posted by logger
This is not a coincidence. American Millennials were born into the Ronald Reagan’s America, one in which the safety net had been badly punctured and the stage was set for radical inequality to take root. As we entered the world, America diverged from our economic peers in Europe – our health care costs skyrocketed while our health outcomes and life expectancy stagnated. Many European nations implemented generous paid parental leave policies, invested in public transport and planned for affordable childcare while the US simply did not; American special interests pushed both parties to strip away the guardrails that kept banks from taking unforgivable risks and kept things like college affordable.

Its clear that Jill, like has always happened, should consider immigrating to Canada or Europe if it's so bad in America. We are not those places.
Bold: wants free stuff on everybody else's dime

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Millennials have unusual politics in the sense that we are a broadly liberal generation that has not grown more conservative with age. While older adults tacked right as they hit middle age, Millennials have not.

This is not a coincidence. American Millennials were born into the Ronald Reagan’s America, one in which the safety net had been badly punctured and the stage was set for radical inequality to take root. As we entered the world, America diverged from our economic peers in Europe – our health care costs skyrocketed while our health outcomes and life expectancy stagnated. Many European nations implemented generous paid parental leave policies, invested in public transport and planned for affordable childcare while the US simply did not; American special interests pushed both parties to strip away the guardrails that kept banks from taking unforgivable risks and kept things like college affordable.

Millennials have paid the price. While we’ve done everything right – we went to college in record numbers, delayed marriage and child rearing, spend less frivolously and save more diligently – we have still found ourselves entering middle age feeling like financially insecure 20-somethings. And we are wising up to the fact that this isn’t our fault – that it wasn’t the avocado toast.

We see Baby Boomer politicians who refuse to step down and make way for the next generation, and who also refuse to invest in our lives and futures. We look across the pond or up north and see our European and Canadian peers who get months off when they have babies, who are not drowning in student loan debt, who can go to the doctor without worrying about overdrawing their checking accounts or torpedoing themselves into bankruptcy, whose toddlers are eating fresh vegetables in free or affordable high-quality daycare and who go on long paid vacations every summer.
"If at first you don't succeed- - - -give up and whine about it! It's everybody else's fault!" What a bunch of sob sisters!
I was fortunate to have been born in the mid-50s, which insulated me from all the recessions, high taxes, high unemployment, high inflation, petroleum shortages, market crashes, recessions, covid, and all the rest of the calamitous events of the last 70 years. I'm sure glad I didn't have to navigate my own way through all that and I thank my lucky stars.
A laughable quote from that article

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I don’t speak for every Millennial, but I certainly hope President Joe Biden does everything in his power to keep the US economy, and by extension the global one, stable and afloat.

I realize that may require some politically unpopular choices. But Millennials have borne the brunt of these repeated failures, which threaten to keep us broke, stressed and financially unstable for the rest of our lives. And we deserve a long-overdue bailout.

Hey there sweetheart Jill baby, FJB economy has impacted this Boomers financials with Team Bidens irresponsible money printing and economic policies. Yet, I don't expect a BAILOUT as you request. Sweet Thing.
Give me give me give me
It's the culture of everyone gets a trophy and deserves to start life in upper management or demanding that billionaires should pay their way in life and that the White Man should pay for everyone else's evil deeds!

INSTEAD of concentrating on education, learning strong work ethics, setting goals that push them to succeed etcetera......

Yeah, kinda like us Boomers and Gen X'ers did it, BY OUR BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS...... And respecting the sacrifices of those that came before us......
I played little league baseball and received 92 trophies in my youth. As an adult I haven't received much of anything, its just not right.
Liberal Socialist Democrat cry baby op Ed......
Obviously wants .gov to take care of everything.

Just cause the article is about millennials having a " tough go"
Doesn't mean it don't apply to crybabies of other gens that are Liberal Socialist Democrats and want unca suga to hold their hand in everything.



Poor little things.....
Originally Posted by ol_mike
I played little league baseball and received 92 trophies in my youth. As an adult I haven't received much of anything, its just not right.

Soccer
And Chuck E Cheese party and 7th place ribbons...



👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤣🤣🤣
Originally Posted by logger
.... While we’ve done everything right –

TFF
It’s interesting to me that she doesn’t see that this is an establishment issue not a Republican or Democrat issue.

She sounds like an entitled bitch to me, but that generation seems full of those.

On the other hand, things DO suck. People of all generations have less hope of ascending from an increasingly non existent middle class into upper classes than ever before.

That’s BAD.

I watched my kids do all the right things, saving and saving without the ability to keep up with rising housing prices.

Things are terrible; just not for the reasons she thinks.
The Boomers might have kicked off the current situation because LBJ was enslaving them and sending them halfway across the world to fight a war.

That has the potential to cause a societal upheaval and it did.

But the subsequent generations could have turned it around anytime they chose. They didn't.

Now it's progressed to the point that the current generation is cutting their dicks off and proclaiming themselves to be women.

I don't know what to tell them. But Boomers aren't going to line up to sew their dicks back on.

Best I can figure, they're going to need a conscription servitude President to get their minds right again.

Biden might be the one or more probably the Democrat President after Biden.

But if they don't learn to think properly, a contemporary reincarnation of LBJ will get them *and* their severed dicks nuked to smoke before they get a clue.

So they better step up quick. The Boomers are all going to be dead soon and the Bolsheviks don't give a flying rat's ass if you snivel and point your fingers at them or not.

The Boomers didn't give the young people much thought one way or another. The Bolsheviks want you dead.
Poor kid. We, those of us born before 1945, only had to make it through zKorea, Viet Nam, Johnson, Carter, 15% mortgages, several gas crises, Obama, the 2008-9 recession, the 80s layoffs,
bank failures, EEO, Affirmative Action, big government and Waco, Ruby Ridge, Janet Reno, Clinton, "me too", AIDS, as crap, they've got it rougher.
We had cooler cars, better music, real tits, cheap beer, cheap gas for a while and cars we could fix ourselves.
Tired of hearing millennials cry. I interviewed enough of them to know what they are.
Born in 85 I’ve worked my ass off since 12 yrs old to save a dolla.I’ve worked umteen over time hrs on the day job and countless side jobs to make ends meet.Must be wired that way from birth as a lot of folks I went to school with didn’t amount to schit and had plenty chances🤷‍♂️
I had read before how the 2008 crash really hurt the millenials bad.

Something about years of work experience lost that couldn't be replaced.

Plus the financial hole they got to start in on top of that.


Just bad timing I guess!
Millennial’s are an interesting group. Both of our children are in that category. Both have good jobs - one owns her home, the son has a rental and another home that he is working on. Their friends are all solid for jobs, families and homes.

They openly talk about the “other” category of millennials - entitled, complaining, not enough being done for them. Looks like the author would fall in their other category.

Being a boomer I can also attest to many boomers wanting increased hand outs and openly stating they are hard done by. So the feeling of being entitled to my entitlements is not just a generational issue.
Originally Posted by HughW
Millennial’s are an interesting group. Both of our children are in that category. Both have good jobs - one owns her home, the son has a rental and another home that he is working on. Their friends are all solid for jobs, families and homes.

They openly talk about the “other” category of millennials - entitled, complaining, not enough being done for them. Looks like the author would fall in their other category.

Being a boomer I can also attest to many boomers wanting increased hand outs and openly stating they are hard done by. So the feeling of being entitled to my entitlements is not just a generational issue.

Boy that's for sure.
The issue I'm not sure younger people realize is that the expectations of a middle class lifestyle are higher than ever. These days, even poor people have thousand dollar phones, big screen TV and A/C.

I'm not sure that in the history of the world, poor people have ever been so fat, pampered and coddled.
Yea, I hear ya on the financial hole. My very 1st house mortgage when Carter was Prez was 12.75%. Worked hard staying the course, and when I could refied out of that hole.

I think the key there was worked hard and stayed the course, not expect a bailout from .guv <ie, student loan forgiveness as an example>
Me and wifey married in 05 I was 20 yrs old had saved my moneys and had us a nice single wide and 5 acres.Worked my ass off for that and appreciated it.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I had read before how the 2008 crash really hurt the millenials bad.

Something about years of work experience lost that couldn't be replaced.

Plus the financial hole they got to start in on top of that.


Just bad timing I guess!

I dont recall....was too busy working. Also, as a millennial....I don't claim Jill.
I don’t really blame them. Her conclusions are all wrong but it has undoubtedly sucked for them. On the other hand, as an X’er who will never get to retire, I don’t have much sympathy.
Just another brain dead leftist. This is just one of many similar quotes from her twitter page.

"The GOP obsession with "parental rights" is so extreme that it includes the rights of parents and teachers to beat children, to marry their children off (or, to put it more bluntly, to allow their daughters to be raped by adult men), and to make kids work long hours for pay."
It's really too bad the generation that lost everything to the Great Depression and fought WWII aren't still around to shame the Whining Hordes of the Entitled---and that includes plenty of folks from the Baby Boom Generation forward.
I am an X-er, been working since I was a kid, at first to help Dad keep food on the table, then to sustain myself, and later, a wife and two kids. Took me until now (50) to get to the “good life”. Got a 40 acre place with a formerly run down house I made so much better nobody recognizes it, a nice truck, good tools, nice guns, some cows, pigs and chickens, a good dog, and a job that keeps promoting me and raising my pay. Not bad for a guy who has no degree and was self employed for twenty years, even through the 2008 thing that hurt me bad.

My wife is same as me, worked at helping feed the family as a kid, and we have remodeled three places together and built one custom home and shop from the ground up. She does bookkeeping from home, and we are starting another business right now. Kids are both grown and successful at their own thing, life is good.

Life is good because we worked our tails off to make it so. We had it harder than some, better than others. Still do. Always will. Never bothered to complain, never saw it do anyone else any good….
Men, we are Blessed to be alive.
This Jill, the author of the book “OK Boomer, Let’s Talk: How My Generation Got Left Behind” and the commentary posted for discussion here, makes her money writing gloom and doom. No way for me to know any different, but she must make a decent income.

But, what she writes must be gloom and doom for her target audience to sustain that income. IMO there is no way Jill "Got Left Behind".

Meanwhile, she smiles, gets paid, and by the content of what she writes promotes FJB good, Conservative Republican bad, we millennials got cheated.

Her audience swallows this as gospel.
How did they vote?
Life socks.
For everyone at some time, in some way.
Deal with it.

Or dont.

Either way, STFU!
She could try prostitution, lots of Boomers will pay good money or some young snatch........

She has options.
When opportunity comes knocking, most young folks run and hide- - - - - -it's disguised as hard work and personal responsibility. They think it's as deadly as a case of the plague!
Originally Posted by HughW
Millennial’s are an interesting group. Both of our children are in that category. Both have good jobs - one owns her home, the son has a rental and another home that he is working on. Their friends are all solid for jobs, families and homes.

They openly talk about the “other” category of millennials - entitled, complaining, not enough being done for them. Looks like the author would fall in their other category.

Being a boomer I can also attest to many boomers wanting increased hand outs and openly stating they are hard done by. So the feeling of being entitled to my entitlements is not just a generational issue.

That is my take too.
I know plenty of millennials that have solid careers and lead respectable, debt free lives. I also know more than one boomer and Gen X who has lived off the system their entire lives and constantly play the victim card.

I do believe boomers are who really started the credit card debt avalanche and made it ‘acceptable’ in today’s world to be 10s of thousands of $ in CC debt, but that is a different discussion.
6 weeks off per year to suck dick on Spuzz Newburg and crush 190" bone.
Originally Posted by bruinruin
The issue I'm not sure younger people realize is that the expectations of a middle class lifestyle are higher than ever. These days, even poor people have thousand dollar phones, big screen TV and A/C.

I'm not sure that in the history of the world, poor people have ever been so fat, pampered and coddled.

Back in Jan I was in Phoenix for work.
Waked under the freeway underpass one day to grab a bite to eat.
There are plenty of dirty homeless there, many with an iPhone begging for food outside of restaurants. One literally had a needle in their arm while playing on their phone.
Some of the things she spouted are of her own making.

No one told them to go spend 6,8 or more years getting a degree for something that don't have a future.

And there is the got to have it now ,can't save up for it folks.

Yep many things are made by themselves.
Couldnt be more garbage in the article. Its hilarious that she can bring up the affect of the 2008, which was early in their saving career but fails to mentiion one of the longest bull runs in history following it.... literally 12-13 years of great returns. She also fails to mention how they are the generation that wanted to NOT be homeowners, they wanted experiences, they wanted to entertain and have dinners out, they wanted memories and experiences, not property ownership like the "boomers". Now.... they figure out they want a home and things are really expensive. She also takes no fault in voting in bad policies that kill our economy and hurts peoples employment etc. She does conveniently say they have done "everything right". She highlights a common theme though, playing the victim. In a time where there are more self made millionaires than ever, they are complaining it cant be done.
While that pathetic editorial might be an accurate although generalized “snap-shot” of millennial attitudes I will say that the “Gimme-dats” are not only relegated to millennials. I’ve noticed a tremendous amount of that selfish attitude among the boomer generation as well. As mentioned previously, not every millennial has that attitude and certainly not every boomer has that attitude but it’s becoming more common across the board.imho. Selfishness and lack of responsibility must be contagious.

The me-me attitude is infuriating but I’m also growing more annoyed with the new “I feel”. The 20-30 group states their opinions as “I feel like…” or they word it in such a way as to turn their opinions into feelings because you can’t argue the ignorance of their feelings like you could an opinion.
Well said Ace!
I must have stepped out of line when all the wealth and entitled wellbeing was passed out on a silver platter (born 1946). Worked in hay and tobacco fields for a buck a day and lunch as a kid. Gave up 4 yrs to earn the GI Bill. Garnered just over $7k while traveling the world and made it to E5 in those years. Post service, at age 23, it took me 2 and 1/2 weeks to earn $100 with all the standard withdrawals made and no bennies. No work = no pay. Made a promise to a bride in 1972, and it's stuck. We subsequently squeezed by doing without loans, a rig, TV, cable, phones, drugs, fine threads, meals out, pizza in, insurance of any kind, Fridays nights at the bar, and spring break in Cabo while acquiring 3 debt free degrees. Hunting and fishing were for both food and fun.

All that effort has paid off, we weathered crashes and shortages, never quit a job without another ahead, and we're comfortable and layed back now. With frugal living, we still have expanding accounts. We had the right to pursue our good fortune with zero expectations of being owed a guarantee. I don't feel we've ever truly suffered, and we got a fair shake along the way. We've even had people openly disagree with our opinions a couple of times but managed to weather those experiences.

We see all manner of kids in today's society, and those that want to work are in high demand, doing quite fine, and attaining the good life in a shorter span of time than we. Kid across the street just picked up a nursing degree, started at $100k, and has purchased a home and rig with a cab over camper. Not bad.

We see others still at home and doing entry level stuff for $23 an hour.
Remember, Jill is not broke and living on the street.

She writes these tales of sorrow books and articles to sell her work.

And for those who buy her books or read her articles they use that to rationalize why they are failing to achieve.

Jill is a phony
The Boomer hate schitt has been going on for 20 years or more. Now, the GenX people who started it are all wrinkled up and baldern a monkey's ass.

GenZ calls anybody over 42 a Boomer.

One of these days all the real Boomers will be dead and the GenZ people will be calling GenX Boomers and knocking' 'em in the head.
Gen X needs to whine more. But they're too busy keeping things running while boomers spend the profits on hookers and cocaine and millennials refuse to work because their ego hasn't been massaged enough.

Bb
Originally Posted by Burleyboy
Gen X needs to whine more. But they're too busy keeping things running while boomers spend the profits on hookers and cocaine and millennials refuse to work because their ego hasn't been massaged enough.

Bb

Boomers,...hookers and coke?

Mannnnnnn,....c'mon. Boomer men are old enough that they barely want to tolerate women at all,...much less some crazy ass hooker.

As for Cocaine,..a boomer will die of a heart attack 3/8" into honkin' a line.

Boomers spend money on Raisen Bran and Mr Pillow's house shoes.
Cry me a river.
I'm sure it is easy to blame the Boomers, but at the same time be more than willing to take an inheritance from Boomer parents. We are probably going to see the largest transfers of generational wealth as the Boomers phase out.
Originally Posted by logger
We are probably going to see the largest transfers of generational wealth as the Boomers phase out.

The smart boomers will spend it all before they croak, prepay a fancy funeral for themselves, and leave their deadbeat kids holding an empty bag.
Originally Posted by 12344mag
She could try prostitution, lots of Boomers will pay good money or some young snatch........

She has options.

Note the added emphasis...
Originally Posted by JoeBob
I don’t really blame them. Her conclusions are all wrong but it has undoubtedly sucked for them. On the other hand, as an X’er who will never get to retire, I don’t have much sympathy.
As a fellow X'er with few million reasons why they can retire whenever they want to, could you please explain how you managed to be a no money having phouquetard?
I don't know what a millennial is. Don't know what a Gen X, Gen Z is either. Care less. Whiney little pussies is how they all come across. Their pain was largely caused by how they voted in Presidential elections.
I once interviewed my grandfather for a depression project. He would have to leave school early each spring for planting, work all summer, and then start late in the fall due to harvesting. Got consistently behind (I guess back then kids just picked up where they left off) and when he enlisted at 18, he effectively had an 8th grade education. College was out of reach for everyday kids back then. They made it through because they saved everything.

Now a college degree is easier to obtain than ever before which has effectively reduced demand for college degrees due to an exploded supply. So those millennials that get degrees or trade certifications in high demand sectors such as welding, HVAC, plumbing, engineering, medical field occupations to care for an aging populace are doing fine. They look around them and wonder what the big fuss is all about. Heck, many of them bought and resold real estate when rates were really low and own at least one residence currently.

Now those that got a degree in underwater lesbian literature theory, well they’re fixing coffees, wondering how they’ll pay off 100k of loans and whining that everyone in Europe has it so easy.
Originally Posted by trplem
Originally Posted by JoeBob
I don’t really blame them. Her conclusions are all wrong but it has undoubtedly sucked for them. On the other hand, as an X’er who will never get to retire, I don’t have much sympathy.
As a fellow X'er with few million reasons why they can retire whenever they want to, could you please explain how you managed to be a no money having phouquetard?

Good for you. But ask me how I know you really don’t have schit.
That twat has never made a meal in her life. Eats out all the time and walks around with a Starbucks 5 dollar drink in her hand. Voted for Bidet and now pisses and moans about gas prices. Fug them. I worked for all my stuff and nobody left me squat. Her phone cost more than my first four cars cost total. Rant over . Edk
Originally Posted by T_Inman
Originally Posted by HughW
Millennial’s are an interesting group. Both of our children are in that category. Both have good jobs - one owns her home, the son has a rental and another home that he is working on. Their friends are all solid for jobs, families and homes.

They openly talk about the “other” category of millennials - entitled, complaining, not enough being done for them. Looks like the author would fall in their other category.

Being a boomer I can also attest to many boomers wanting increased hand outs and openly stating they are hard done by. So the feeling of being entitled to my entitlements is not just a generational issue.

That is my take too.
I know plenty of millennials that have solid careers and lead respectable, debt free lives. I also know more than one boomer and Gen X who has lived off the system their entire lives and constantly play the victim card.

I do believe boomers are who really started the credit card debt avalanche and made it ‘acceptable’ in today’s world to be 10s of thousands of $ in CC debt, but that is a different discussion.




A lot of Boomers and Xs have also sponged off Mommy and Daddy.
For years I've looked around and wondered how folks who earn equal
or less to us do so much. Houses, cars, toys, trips. Stuff that eclipses us
and we have no debt.

My wife cued me in, observation confirmed it.



50 F'n years old and Mommy is funneling them money, buying big ticket toys
for them, taking their whole family on trips.


F'n pathetic.
We haven't always had much, lived in a ratty trailer park for 5 years.
But thank the good Lord we have never needed to beg.
Sometime you buy Demonico Primals,
sometimes you buy burger and stretch it.
In high school, Carter was president. Inflation and Iran dominated the narrative. College money nonexistent. USSR alive and threatening.

Not going to apologize to anyone for working hard, living within my means, and building a decent life for myself.

Every generation has its challenges. Every single one. Grow up and move out of mommy's basement.
Lots of good points made here.

Let me just point out that if sweet baby Jill waited tables in the evenings and weekends as a second job, she could have that down payment on the house in a couple of years. And that student loan would be gone in a couple more.

I’ve got two millennial kids. One’s a homeowner, the other just moved and is chunking away 40% of their income for a down payment. Zero drama in either one’s life as far as making it, financially Then again, how hard can it possibly be to make it as DINKS with 100K plus incomes?
This commie needs to get off her computer and get to work.

I'll give her a job .
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.
Jill Filipovic, who is this?

Jill Nicole Filipovic (born August 3, 1983)[1] is an American author and lawyer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Filipovic
BS. You made the student load debt; pay it. How about the Government pay me a loan for a new truck? What we need is responsibility rathe than whiners.
completely agree
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.

A summer spent loading square hay bales by hand in 95 degree heat will also give you an attitude adjustment.
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.

A summer spent loading square hay bales by hand in 95 degree heat will also give you an attitude adjustment.
I hate hauling square baled hay. Not so much the work as the allergies.
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.

A summer spent loading square hay bales by hand in 95 degree heat will also give you an attitude adjustment.
I hate hauling square baled hay. Not so much the work as the allergies.


The smaller round bales are worse, by far. Hard to stack, hard to carry, PITA all the way around. Dad used to bale them tight and green, they'd weigh about 90lbs., about 20 lbs less than I weighed back then. Square bales were easier and lighter to handle, by far, than the small round bales. Timothy grass makes excellent hay, but it ain't light.............
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.

I’m think generations are pretty difficult to separate from their dominant ideology. And the fact is, that regardless of the expressed ideology, we have 30 years of out of control government spending, interventionist and bellicose foreign policy, and ruinous immigration policies. There isn’t a vaginal hair’s worth of difference between boomer politicians regardless of the party or expressed ideology on those issues.
I'm a Boomer,...spent a decade working at a heavy industry manufacturing plant. The place is loud. The work is physical. Workdays are typically 10 hours with time and a half for everything past 8 hours. Lots of mandatory work on Saturdays at time and a half. Sundays are double time. You're going to be working night shift for many years.

$24 an hour with a good benefit package. It's located in Central Kentucky and they can't find people. With mandatory overtime, after taxes, you can bring home about $1000 a week.

Go get it, millennial.

https://www.cmwa.com/careers
Cmon Bristoe! They might break a finger nail or something. Edk
Originally Posted by ERK
Cmon Bristoe! They might break a finger nail or something. Edk
they cant just get on their cell phones when ever they want to , like they are accustommed too
You certain that wasn’t from the Babylon Bee?


Whiny
Little
Bitch
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.

I’m think generations are pretty difficult to separate from their dominant ideology. And the fact is, that regardless of the expressed ideology, we have 30 years of out of control government spending, interventionist and bellicose foreign policy, and ruinous immigration policies. There isn’t a vaginal hair’s worth of difference between boomer politicians regardless of the party or expressed ideology on those issues.


Well, Biden is not a boomer politician. It is interesting that Bush, Trump and Clinton were all born in 1946, the first year of the Boomer generation. Biden was only born 4 years before. I assume they would be very different than those in the Boomer cohort born in 1964.

What do you think the dominant ideology will be of the Gen x and Millennial politicians and do you think it will make any difference as to party?
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.

I’m think generations are pretty difficult to separate from their dominant ideology. And the fact is, that regardless of the expressed ideology, we have 30 years of out of control government spending, interventionist and bellicose foreign policy, and ruinous immigration policies. There isn’t a vaginal hair’s worth of difference between boomer politicians regardless of the party or expressed ideology on those issues.


Well, Biden is not a boomer politician. It is interesting that Bush, Trump and Clinton were all born in 1946, the first year of the Boomer generation. Biden was only born 4 years before. I assume they would be very different than those in the Boomer cohort born in 1964.

What do you think the dominant ideology will be of the Gen x and Millennial politicians and do you think it will make any difference as to party?

Biden might not be but his brain, Susan Rice, is.

Not enough X’ers to make a difference but X’ers tend to be independent and detached emotionally. First generation to get home from school with no one home and on their own until mom and dad got home at 7:00 or so.

Millennials were indoctrinated by the system set up by Boomers and they are feeling like they’ve been dealt an unfair hand. I’m not optimistic.
As Mike Rowe recently said,of the 7 million unemployed, most are lacking the will.

What I don't get is how in the hell does that work?
There were many days I didn't "feel" like going to work, so what, not sick or leaking red.... then ya go to work
Originally Posted by JoeBob
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

Horse puckey.

1). You don’t NEED to go to an elite college to have a successful career. Many states have FREE junior college educations, finish up your two last years at a state school (average tuition 14K), go to grad school for a science degree on an assistantship: presto! ZERO student loans and great career opportunities.

The disservice Boomers have cursed their offspring with is the notion that you have to go to a “good” college to be able to succeed, and you should do anything, pay anything when you get the chance to get in. It’s absolute hogwash. If you control for the applicants abilities, there’s NO evidence that “elite” schools provide better careers. They have higher entry level salaries right out of school, but after five years in the workplace, there’s no significant difference. Except $300K in tuition spent and pretty trees on campus.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Millennials were indoctrinated by the system set up by Boomers and they are feeling like they’ve been dealt an unfair hand. I’m not optimistic.

I went to work at the manufacturing plant I mentioned in 1998 facing the same job prospects that Millennials had at that time. In fact, the majority of the workforce at that place were Millennials and GenX. It was pretty much a young man's job.

It's a fairly rough way to make a living. But some Millennials were willing to do what it took. They never had any problem keeping people back when I worked there. Today the pay is much better and they're constantly looking for people to keep the place fully staffed.

Are the opportunities as good as they were 45 years ago? No. They're not. But there's still ways for a young man to make his way if he's willing to relocate to where the jobs are and to make the sacrifices that the jobs require.

I did it at age 42 simply because it was what I had to do to keep from living on the street.

Mom's basement wasn't an option for a 42 year old man with three kids.
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by JoeBob
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

Horse puckey.

1). You don’t NEED to go to an elite college to have a successful career. Many states have FREE junior college educations, finish up your two last years at a state school (average tuition 14K), go to grad school for a science degree on an assistantship: presto! ZERO student loans and great career opportunities.

The disservice Boomers have cursed their offspring with is the notion that you have to go to a “good” college to be able to succeed, and you should do anything, pay anything when you get the chance to get in. It’s absolute hogwash. If you control for the applicants abilities, there’s NO evidence that “elite” schools provide better careers. They have higher entry level salaries right out of school, but after five years in the workplace, there’s no significant difference. Except $300K in tuition spent and pretty trees on campus.


Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so. Not that it’s necessary to go to an elite school to succeed but that even elite schools were open to those willing to work for it in those days. Nowadays they aren’t solely because of policies put in place, often by boomer politicians.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Millennials were indoctrinated by the system set up by Boomers and they are feeling like they’ve been dealt an unfair hand. I’m not optimistic.

I went to work at the manufacturing plant I mentioned in 1998 facing the same job prospects that Millennials had at that time. In fact, the majority of the workforce at that place were Millennials and GenX. It was pretty much a young man's job.

It's a fairly rough way to make a living. But some Millennials were willing to do what it took. They never had any problem keeping people back when I worked there. Today the pay is much better and they're constantly looking for people to keep the place fully staffed.

Are the opportunities as good as they were 45 years ago? No. They're not. But there's still ways for a young man to make his way if he's willing to relocate to where the jobs are and to make the sacrifices that the jobs require.

I did it at age 42 simply because it was what I had to do to keep from living on the street.

Mom's basement wasn't an option for a 42 year old man with three kids.

This is all true but it fails to acknowledge that the problem is as much a crisis of culture and soul as it is opportunity. And the conditions that have brought us to this point are not primarily of the making of a lot of these kids.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.

The social strata has always been there. True, some people break out and advance through the college system. But the vast majority have launched by getting a job and working their way as far as possible in it.

That's been the standard life in America forever.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.


Used to be anyone who studied hard, did well on tests, didn't get arrested etc...

Politics changes that.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.

It’s like arguing with kids. If they could get in, they could pay for it with nothing more than their own work if they wanted. Can’t do that nowadays.

Even top state schools like Michigan and UVA are absolutely cost prohibitive nowadays.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.

I’m think generations are pretty difficult to separate from their dominant ideology. And the fact is, that regardless of the expressed ideology, we have 30 years of out of control government spending, interventionist and bellicose foreign policy, and ruinous immigration policies. There isn’t a vaginal hair’s worth of difference between boomer politicians regardless of the party or expressed ideology on those issues.


Well, Biden is not a boomer politician. It is interesting that Bush, Trump and Clinton were all born in 1946, the first year of the Boomer generation. Biden was only born 4 years before. I assume they would be very different than those in the Boomer cohort born in 1964.

What do you think the dominant ideology will be of the Gen x and Millennial politicians and do you think it will make any difference as to party?

Biden might not be but his brain, Susan Rice, is.

Not enough X’ers to make a difference but X’ers tend to be independent and detached emotionally. First generation to get home from school with no one home and on their own until mom and dad got home at 7:00 or so.

Millennials were indoctrinated by the system set up by Boomers and they are feeling like they’ve been dealt an unfair hand. I’m not optimistic.

Xers work hard, stay to themselves and don’t give a shiet for the most part. We’ve always been the middle kid 😁
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.

It’s like arguing with kids. If they could get in, they could pay for it with nothing more than their own work if they wanted. Can’t do that nowadays.

Even top state schools like Michigan and UVA are absolutely cost prohibitive nowadays.

Student loans are available. It's the sacrifice one makes if they want to advance through the university system.

Every path requires a sacrifice,....always has.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so. Not that it’s necessary to go to an elite school to succeed but that even elite schools were open to those willing to work for it in those days. Nowadays they aren’t solely because of policies put in place, often by boomer politicians.

Swing, and a miss, snowflake. Not a boomer. “Elite” college never was an option here, either.

You seem to have sand in your panties for not being able to go to Yale, and that’s because you think Yale would have given you something special. The point is that you’ve been brainwashed to think there’s a benefit to an “elite education. There isn’t one.

You’re whining you can’t have something that has no significant value to begin with.

The brainwashing is from the boomer generation’s experience that degrees were necessary for success, and THAT is no longer true. Higher education can not stand any critical scrutiny of return on investment. JFC, you need a MASTERS to be a social worker for the state to make $45K a year. You can make that flipping burgers.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.


Used to be anyone who studied hard, did well on tests, didn't get arrested etc...

Politics changes that.


Yeah, that’s another thing. My child as a white female from an affluent background has an absolutely ZERO chance of going to an Ivy League school. She isn’t a legacy, so that’s out. And regardless of how well she does on tests, minority candidates with worse grades and scores will get in over her. Increasingly, this is true for things like medical school as well.

She did nothing to make this world. None of that is her fault. Doesn’t mean she won’t do well in life, but she is responsible for none of the things wrong in the world that we bitch about on this board and elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so. Not that it’s necessary to go to an elite school to succeed but that even elite schools were open to those willing to work for it in those days. Nowadays they aren’t solely because of policies put in place, often by boomer politicians.

Swing, and a miss, snowflake. Not a boomer. “Elite” college never was an option here, either.

You seem to have sand in your panties for not being able to go to Yale, and that’s because you think Yale would have given you something special. The point is that you’ve been brainwashed to think there’s a benefit to an “elite education. There isn’t one.

You’re whining you can’t have something that has no significant value to begin with.

The brainwashing is from the boomer generation’s experience that degrees were necessary for success, and THAT is no longer true. Higher education can not stand any critical scrutiny of return on investment. JFC, you need a MASTERS to be a social worker for the state to make $45K a year. You can make that flipping burgers.

Good lord, no that is the point. The point is not about elite college, the point is that even elite colleges used to be affordable. Now they aren’t purely because of choices made by politicians.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.


Used to be anyone who studied hard, did well on tests, didn't get arrested etc...

Politics changes that.


Yeah, that’s another thing. My child as a white female from an affluent background has an absolutely ZERO chance of going to an Ivy League school. She isn’t a legacy, so that’s out. And regardless of how well she does on tests, minority candidates with worse grades and scores will get in over her. Increasingly, this is true for things like medical school as well.

She did nothing to make this world. None of that is her fault. Doesn’t mean she won’t do well in life, but she is responsible for none of the things wrong in the world that we bitch about on this board and elsewhere.


I scored high on the SATs when it was scored on the 1600 scale...being a white male, I couldn't get into the Ivy league schools.

Change from white and drop my test scores a few hundred points I would get into any of them....weird.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Okay, boomer. Once again you miss the point. The point is that boomers could go to an elite university and pay for it by working their way through if they chose to do so.

Oh bullshit. How many people of *any* generation have *really* had the opportunity to attend an elite University.

It’s like arguing with kids. If they could get in, they could pay for it with nothing more than their own work if they wanted. Can’t do that nowadays.

Even top state schools like Michigan and UVA are absolutely cost prohibitive nowadays.

Student loans are available. It's the sacrifice one makes if they want to advance through the university system.

Every path requires a sacrifice,....always has.

I thought you were smart. Student loans are the main reason college is cost prohibitive.

Would you have been a machinist if you had been required to take seven years of schooling and come out with $250k of debt when done?

And how would you feel if the main reason it was so expensive was because of direct government intervention?
My view is that generations really don't matter. It is mostly about the individual and each unique circumstance. The one difference is that now with social media, it is very easy to amplify your feelings and reach millions, as the author does in this article. In the old days, pre internet, the only way to amplify was mass protest and a mass cause. Boomers did each i.e. the Vietnam protests, and Earth Day. Every "generation" has some cause to "blame" a previous generation. It is just a question as whether each person wants to use that blame as a crutch or excuse.
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Good lord, no that is the point. The point is not about elite college, the point is that even elite colleges used to be affordable. Now they aren’t purely because of choices made by politicians.

And, used to be, you could go out west, stake some posts in the ground and you’d have all the land to farm or ranch you could handle! FREE!

Used to be, you could go to Alaska, start digging and pull gold out of the ground and be wealthy!

Used to be, you could buy a nice, middle class home in the suburbs for a year’s wages, or less.


You are fixed on the access and costs of elite” colleges. Just go find your safe place and get some group therapy, the rest of us will raise our kids to succeed without going to “elite” colleges.

Oh, which reminds me, my daughter graduated from a program ranked #5 IN THE WORLD, and she’s pretty white. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.

Are you bragging?
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Would you have been a machinist if you had been required to take seven years of schooling and come out with $250k of debt when done?

You can be a machinist today without paying a bunch of money.

If you want to talk about attending elite universities and such, that's one topic.

But the working class opportunities that were available to me are still there today.

And the bottom line is, most Boomers spent their lives working at a job. I've showed you a job that's available to*day* that pays a good wage and has benefits.

There's undoubtedly others.

I can understand why someone wouldn't want to make the sacrifice necessary to work those types of jobs. They're a tough way to make a living.

But the vast majority of people who have had success "working" have had tough jobs. In the working class, the best money is made in the tough jobs. Not all of the tough jobs pay good money. But all the jobs that pay good money require a sacrifice.
Originally Posted by ratsmacker
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What she and those like her need is to spend a summer in a tobacco patch, log woods, or on a paving or roofing crew. Changes one’s perspective.

A summer spent loading square hay bales by hand in 95 degree heat will also give you an attitude adjustment.
I hate hauling square baled hay. Not so much the work as the allergies.


The smaller round bales are worse, by far. Hard to stack, hard to carry, PITA all the way around. Dad used to bale them tight and green, they'd weigh about 90lbs., about 20 lbs less than I weighed back then. Square bales were easier and lighter to handle, by far, than the small round bales. Timothy grass makes excellent hay, but it ain't light.............


The suare bales that I stacked in Idaho were made of Alfalfa, and they weighed 95 pounds. My partner and I put a thousand bales in the barn in a day. I don't know why they make the bales so heavy out there.
Originally Posted by papat
Give me give me give me

The blackening of America!
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I'm a Boomer,...spent a decade working at a heavy industry manufacturing plant. The place is loud. The work is physical. Workdays are typically 10 hours with time and a half for everything past 8 hours. Lots of mandatory work on Saturdays at time and a half. Sundays are double time. You're going to be working night shift for many years.

$24 an hour with a good benefit package. It's located in Central Kentucky and they can't find people. With mandatory overtime, after taxes, you can bring home about $1000 a week.

Go get it, millennial.

https://www.cmwa.com/careers

Right on Bristoe and this isn't anything new.
I couldn't find anybody who would come to work Mon. - Fri. , 40 hour work week back in the mid-late 90's. Every trade contractor said the same thing back then, young people don't want to work - no matter how much it pays. Myself I dreamed of finding a summer job between school years [70's], not once did any youts want a job way back then [90's]..
I mentioned the other day a friend/contractor near biloxi , he turned the company over to his two sons, they ran it into the ground in a year. They thought it wasn't fair to have to bid on a job - they should be able to tell a homeowner it's this much $$ and they should have to pay that much.

Any age person who has been pampered throughout their childhood is VERY likely going to be worthless.
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Good lord, no that is the point. The point is not about elite college, the point is that even elite colleges used to be affordable. Now they aren’t purely because of choices made by politicians.

And, used to be, you could go out west, stake some posts in the ground and you’d have all the land to farm or ranch you could handle! FREE!

Used to be, you could go to Alaska, start digging and pull gold out of the ground and be wealthy!

Used to be, you could buy a nice, middle class home in the suburbs for a year’s wages, or less.


You are fixed on the access and costs of elite” colleges. Just go find your safe place and get some group therapy, the rest of us will raise our kids to succeed without going to “elite” colleges.

Oh, which reminds me, my daughter graduated from a program ranked #5 IN THE WORLD, and she’s pretty white. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Great for your daughter. I’m sure she is fine, but how old she now? And what does she do?

Once again, it isn’t about success or lack thereof. There are still plenty of avenues for that wherever you are in the world. It’s that the country is going to schit and most of that going to schit was before they were old enough to have any influence.

Not one damned thing these kids did, had anything to do with the fact that they got an activist instead of a teacher. Not one thing they ever did, turned suburb into a schithole full of illegals. And the point is not that they shouldn’t still be trying to succeed, it’s that boomers take absolutely no responsibility for leaving their kids a schithole full of foreigners and debt instead of the country they were bequeathed.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.
I guess some people realize the difficulty that getting divorced has on their finances, and avoid it. But it takes a real genius to get divorced once, then set himself up for the same thing a second time.
If you insist on being an idiot, you better not be a fuuckin pussy.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
it’s that boomers take absolutely no responsibility for leaving their kids a schithole full of foreigners and debt instead of the country they were bequeathed.

The "boomers" were the "people" of that generation, for the most part.

The "people" aren't responsible for the condition the world is in. The people just got up and did what there was to do. The elites control the world. They do today and they have since long before any of us were born.

Pointing fingers at another generation of "people" and holding the "people" responsible for what has transpired is a very incorrect, very disingenuous way to view the world.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Would you have been a machinist if you had been required to take seven years of schooling and come out with $250k of debt when done?

You can be a machinist today without paying a bunch of money.

If you want to talk about attending elite universities and such, that's one topic.

But the working class opportunities that were available to me are still there today.

And the bottom line is, most Boomers spent their lives working at a job. I've showed you a job that's available to*day* that pays a good wage and has benefits.

There's undoubtedly others.

I can understand why someone wouldn't want to make the sacrifice necessary to work those types of jobs. They're a tough way to make a living.

But the vast majority of people who have had success "working" have had tough jobs. In the working class, the best money is made in the tough jobs. Not all of the tough jobs pay good money. But all the jobs that pay good money require a sacrifice.


Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor? That’s the point. Fifty years ago he could have gone to the best schools in the world and had very little to no debt when he got done. Not so nowadays.

You know, when I was a kid, I went to work in construction as a laborer to make some money or school. Had I been so inclined, I don’t think I would have had any problem getting on as an apprentice in a trade and before too long being one of the skilled hands. It would have been a good living. We had one guy from Mexico on our crew. I couldn’t do that now. I wouldn’t get hired as a non-Spanish speaking white guy.

Still lots of room for success for people willing to work, but a society will not exist for long if it requires exceptional effort and ability to succeed. Society has to be able to provide avenues for the marginal to do pretty well too.

If you want to argue that millennials are a bunch of pussies, I won’t argue. But they have a point too.
Just look at today. Did the "people" run the national debt through the roof? Did the "people" crash those banks? Did the "people" choose to involve America in the conflict in Ukraine?

Are we to hold the "people" of the GenX, Millennial, and GenZ generations responsible for those fuggups?
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.

Actually some of them do. It’s a big part of the reason why your doctor is a lot more likely to be a PA instead of a doctor and/or Pakastani to boot.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.


Yeah, that's bs.
In 1973 I got a summer job, in two months I bought a new Suzuki TM-75, 75cc dirt-bike for $475.
Now little bikes like that cost $3,000, I don't think a 13 year old can get a summer job and have the money to buy a $3,ooo dirt bike in two months. Just saying.
But it is what it is.
Originally Posted by ol_mike
In 1973 I got a summer job, in two months I bought a new Suzuki TM-75, 75cc dirt-bike for $475.
Now little bikes like that cost $3,000, I don't think a 13 year old can get a summer job and have the money to buy a $3,ooo dirt bike in two months. Just saying.
But it is what it is.

The "people" of the Boomer generation didn't create the situation where a 13 year old can't afford a motorcycle.
Originally Posted by ol_mike
In 1973 I got a summer job, in two months I bought a new Suzuki TM-75, 75cc dirt-bike for $475.
Now little bikes like that cost $3,000, I don't think a 13 year old can get a summer job and have the money to buy a $3,ooo dirt bike in two months. Just saying.
But it is what it is.

Dishwashers at Texas Road House, here, I am told make $20 per hour. In 150 hours they can make 3000 before taxes.
Originally Posted by logger
I'm sure it is easy to blame the Boomers, but at the same time be more than willing to take an inheritance from Boomer parents. We are probably going to see the largest transfers of generational wealth as the Boomers phase out.

They used that line a lot when I was in insurance and finance. The real story is, the doctors and nursing homes and medicare and medicaid are lined up before the heirs and they won't leave anything untouched.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.


Yep
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.
I guess some people realize the difficulty that getting divorced has on their finances, and avoid it. But it takes a real genius to get divorced once, then set himself up for the same thing a second time.
If you insist on being an idiot, you better not be a fuuckin pussy.
Anybody who thinks they can predict the future when it comes to women and relationships is the real idiot. Some people get lucky when it comes to women/ marriage but that's all it is.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

Well said.


Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by logger
Originally Posted by JoeBob
And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

I don't think it is age (generations) but ideology. After all, Biden is not a boomer and he doesn't seem to be helping much. Of the Boomer presidents, we've had 16 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republicans.

I’m think generations are pretty difficult to separate from their dominant ideology. And the fact is, that regardless of the expressed ideology, we have 30 years of out of control government spending, interventionist and bellicose foreign policy, and ruinous immigration policies. There isn’t a vaginal hair’s worth of difference between boomer politicians regardless of the party or expressed ideology on those issues.

Ding ding ding
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.

they do in primary care ( family medicine, pediatrics, etc)

graduate with $300,000 worth of debt, and get a job that pays $120,000

they're 27 and need to get a car and into a house.

Lot better shape than an English major of course.


now a good 'ologist can make bank from what I see around here.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabbits foot in their mitts and some aren't.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That’s all self inflicted
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That’s all self inflicted
No it isn't. For instance, how many people who don't live in a flood zone carry flood insurance ? Ask around. Bet you don't find many.
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.

they do in primary care ( family medicine, pediatrics, etc)

graduate with $300,000 worth of debt, and get a job that pays $120,000

they're 27 and need to get a car and into a house.

Lot better shape than an English major of course.


now a good 'ologist can make bank from what I see around here.

It’s alright, we can make do with a PA or a Pakastani who graduated at the International Islamic University of Islamabad.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
There are undeniable things that are more difficult for those kids nowadays. In the 1960s, 70s, and even up through the 80s a person could put himself through an elite college by working. That’s impossible now at lots of places. You’re not going to get a job that will allow you to pay $75k a year in tuition.

It’s criminal what we as a country have done to these kids. College tuition is out of control purely because of government spending and government interference in the market place because of student loans. And basically every other problem has its roots in government.

They know something is wrong. But they lack the tools to correctly diagnose it. They see the old films of how things were clean and they can watch 80s movies where Southern California was an overwhelmingly white suburban paradise and so on and so forth. They know things are different but they’ve been so indoctrinated they can’t correctly see why.

And it’s easy for boomers to make fun of them but the kids weren’t in charge of the things that made college ruinously expensive or their world trashy ass jungle full of illegals and other foreigners.

If the point is that the country has gone to schit and boomers were the one in charge when it did, it’s pretty hard to deny.

Mebbeso in Texas.

In Arizona, where the state constitution calls for higher education (for Residents) to be "as nearly free as practicable" the State Legislature has reduced funding to State Universities every time it has a chance. Very popular with the retired population.

In order to run the schools, (agree they have a [bleep]-ton of un-needed overhead) the Universities have raised tuition.

what was $325/semester in 1980 is $10,000 a semester in 2020.

compare minimum wage between 1980 and 2020.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Sure, but what if someone wants to be a doctor?

They study hard, make good grades, get a BS in biology where they continue to make good grades, then they apply to medical school.

If they need money, they get a student loan.

Doctors don't have any problems paying off student loans.

they do in primary care ( family medicine, pediatrics, etc)

graduate with $300,000 worth of debt, and get a job that pays $120,000

they're 27 and need to get a car and into a house.

Lot better shape than an English major of course.


now a good 'ologist can make bank from what I see around here.

It’s alright, we can make do with a PA or a Pakastani who graduated at the International Islamic University of Islamabad.

I still remember having breakfast at Houstons Trails End restaurant in Kanab, UT in the late 90's, reading the local (weekly) paper.

They were so happy, they were going to get a Doctor to move to town and practice medicine!

He was from Nigeria.been going on for a while
And yet millions of immigrants come to the US every year and are very successful because of drive and a strong work ethic. Something few Americans, especially the younger generation possess.

Yet many will blame others for repeated poor decisions in their life and never succeed



Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.
Yeah, I was really stupid and lazy. That's why 12 years after losing everything I had replaced my home and all my belongings and was completely debt free. But I bet there are lots of stupid, lazy fuggs who can do that. It's too bad it takes all the smart fuuckers so long to build a life.
What we are see is the result of a slow moving away from the traditional family model that the boomers were raised under.

Are millennials whiney? Yep! Do they have a reason to be? Probably, but not for the reasons listed.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabbits foot in their mitts and some aren't.
And some people are born with a nasty disposition, and keep running off their wives.
Originally Posted by Calvin
What we are see is the result of a slow moving away from the traditional family model that the boomers were raised under.

Are millennials whiney? Yep! Do they have a reason to be? Probably, but not for the reasons listed.


Troof
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.


What does a silver spoon have to do with bad choices and stupidity? Of course your failed marriages and child support payments are because someone forced you there while you were doing your best as a librarian…
My very white kids have been told that life ain't fair, that they need to show up everyday and work their asses off.

The result? Full academic/athletic rides to very competitive state universities.

I know they can do anything they want. They know it too.

It's just work and persistence.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.


What does a silver spoon have to do with bad choices and stupidity? Of course your failed marriages and child support payments are because someone forced you there while you were doing your best as a librarian…
Nobody can predict with any degrre of certainty what a woman will be like years down the road. If you think you can, you're even dumber than I thought you were.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabbits foot in their mitts and some aren't.
And some people are born with a nasty disposition, and keep running off their wives.
And some peoples wives turn out to be drug addicts and criminals that can't be reformed.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.


What does a silver spoon have to do with bad choices and stupidity? Of course your failed marriages and child support payments are because someone forced you there while you were doing your best as a librarian…
Nobody can predict with any degrre of certainty what a woman will be like years down the road. If you think you can, you're even dumber than I thought you were.


Of course, I’m dumb and women are wrong.

Ever wondered why you were left alone on the teeter totter?
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabiits foot in their mitts and some aren't.


Could be born in Haiti or Somalia...list goes on.

Ymmv
Or you could be born to rich parents with a silver spoon in your mouth. Some folks are lucky, some aren't.


What does a silver spoon have to do with bad choices and stupidity? Of course your failed marriages and child support payments are because someone forced you there while you were doing your best as a librarian…
Nobody can predict with any degrre of certainty what a woman will be like years down the road. If you think you can, you're even dumber than I thought you were.


Of course, I’m dumb and women are wrong.

Ever wondered why you were left alone on the teeter totter?
I'm the one who filed for divorce dumbass.
My [bleep] stinks….
Your wife became a drug addict?
Bad things are close to us all from our stupid idea that this system can grow forever.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabbits foot in their mitts and some aren't.
And some people are born with a nasty disposition, and keep running off their wives.
And some peoples wives turn out to be drug addicts and criminals that can't be reformed.
How long were you married before you drove your wife to drugs?
Originally Posted by Calvin
What we are see is the result of a slow moving away from the traditional family model that the boomers were raised under.

They were the ones who moved away from it, and the exodus wasn't all that slow.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.


That has nothing to do with when you are born, that is mostly due to stupidity…
It's mostly due to luck or the lack of it you sanctimonios prick. Some folks are born with a rabbits foot in their mitts and some aren't.
And some people are born with a nasty disposition, and keep running off their wives.
And some peoples wives turn out to be drug addicts and criminals that can't be reformed.
How long were you married before you drove your wife to drugs?
I was gone 5.5 days a week working. Home late Friday night and back on the road Sunday Afternoon. I had very little effect/influence on what she did.
Originally Posted by Wrapids
Bad things are close to us all from our stupid idea that this system can grow forever.

Pretty sure nobody actually thought it could. The trick is to only look as far forward as the next quarterly report, and keep blowing smoke up everyone's ass, including one's own.

Ah, success. And the only sacrifice required was integrity.
Originally Posted by ribka
And yet millions of immigrants come to the US every year and are very successful because of drive and a strong work ethic. Something few Americans, especially the younger generation possess.

Yet many will blame others for repeated poor decisions in their life and never succeed

They also have a willingness to make sacrifices for their futures---something so many native born Americans can't even conceive.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by ribka
And yet millions of immigrants come to the US every year and are very successful because of drive and a strong work ethic. Something few Americans, especially the younger generation possess.

Yet many will blame others for repeated poor decisions in their life and never succeed

They also have a willingness to make sacrifices for their futures---something so many native born Americans can't even conceive.

Yes and no. They get away with a lot of schit we can’t. For instance, they never bother paying for car insurance. They get one month to get a card and let it lapse. They don’t pay federal income taxes. They claim enough dependents that they have very little withheld. You’ll have fifteen Mexicans living with their kids in two bedroom house and sharing expenses. If white Americans tried to live like that, CPS would move in and take the kids. And so and so forth.

More and more and more this country is being rigged against the descendants of those who made it, conquered its territory, and fought its wars.
I dont remember the 70s and early 80s being any cup of tea. Many boomers got wrecked in the great recession of 2009 nearing the end of their careers. Not much time to recover. Bounced out of their jobs by younger cheaper employees. Lets not mention the tech boom. Older folks didnt grow up with all the tech stuff. They had to suck it up and learn it or get left behind.

Most of the millennials I know are doing just fine. Most of the ones I know have businesses and are doing great. The biggest difference between the age groups is that the younger folks have a platform to whine on.

Everyone has challenges. White , Black, brown, young , middle aged and old. Whats the point in pitting them against each other. It aint for their benefit you can bet.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Geesus cry me a river. Try adding two divorces, 30 years of outrageous child support payments, the total loss of your nearly paid for house and all your belongings when in your 40's onto that list and we'll talk about how tough you've had it. Fuuckin pussies. I'm just damn glad I had so much "white priviledge" or I might not have survived.
I guess some people realize the difficulty that getting divorced has on their finances, and avoid it. But it takes a real genius to get divorced once, then set himself up for the same thing a second time.
If you insist on being an idiot, you better not be a fuuckin pussy.
Anybody who thinks they can predict the future when it comes to women and relationships is the real idiot. Some people get lucky when it comes to women/ marriage but that's all it is.

The friend I mentioned on the Mississippi Coast who turned his electrical company over to his sons, they ran the business into the ground.
His wife was cute/popular/straight A student/went to church/good family, turned into an alcoholic valium oxy pain pill crazy hag.
Tom did everything he could to help her, she loved to run off and lay around wasted, she passed away a while back, early 50's age. Youngest son went from handsome/smart/athlete etc. to the same as Mom, he's dead also.
I agree you never know what people are going to do especially women.

Like the words in the old Bad Company hit-song,, 'one day she loves you - next day she leaves you'.
Sound a lot like where I spent 35years; but it supported my family.
Branch Ricky, "Luck is the residue of design."
I'll turn 45 in a couple weeks. I'm the antithesis to this article and 99% of the people I associate with are the same. Probably has to do with where I live.
Originally Posted by SDLEFTY
I'll turn 45 in a couple weeks. I'm the antithesis to this article and 99% of the people I associate with are the same. Probably has to do with where I live.

Surely. That's why you actually can't generalize about the generations. All the finger pointing and bickering only serves the leftist agenda.

The real divide remains rural vs. urban. Rural and small town Americans tried--and continue to try--to hold on to traditional American values. City folk, especially with the constant influx of immigrants who never held those values, did not, liberal or conservative. The libs embraced Marxism and the cons embraced Wall Street.

Both involved an abandonment of the Constitution and Judeo-Christian morality.

Even this is something of a generalization. But we love to categorize, so . . .
These whiners need to spend a little time in some third-world schitthole like Haiti or Venezuela. They have zero perspective on what it means to really struggle.
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
These whiners need to spend a little time in some third-world schitthole like Haiti or Venezuela. They have zero perspective on what it means to really struggle.

Do you?
If you have a better standard of living than a Haitian....you aren't struggling?
Originally Posted by Pugs
Its clear that Jill, like has always happened, should consider immigrating to Canada or Europe if it's so bad in America. We are not those places.

Why Canada, what's wrong with Nigeria?

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