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For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago
Will this help refill lake Powell?
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?



so so........

Lake Powell recently measured 21% capacity

we'll see at the end of summer

Everyone wants a S L O W warm up

Just our Snotel station.......28" of water equivalent
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?

No it will not. Utah is in the Great Basin and none of the water flows to anywhere except the Basin itself.:-(

None of the rivers there flow to the sea.
Originally Posted by mrmarklin
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?

No it will not. Utah is in the Great Basin and none of the water flows to anywhere except the Basin itself.:-(



Look at the maps.........

All of eastern Utah drains into Powell via the Colorado & Green Rivers
Originally Posted by tikkanut
For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago

It’s also been an incredible winter here in Arizona. The last two monsoon seasons were record breaking for northern Arizona, and then to follow up with this winter’s precipitation has been awesome.

Flagstaff is approaching top 3 all time snowfall amount. Currently sitting around 160” for the season.
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?
It took over 15 years to fill it the first time.
One wet year won't do it
Personally I'm glad you guys got some much needed moisture. I'm sure the liberals are hating it, blaming it all on cow farts, gas stoves and a/c units.
Here comes round 15 or 16 or 17?
Supposed to hit Monday night or Tuesday morning.
Looks like this could be the last major round.
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I have a buddy in Craig Co. He said worst winter in 30 years & hard on wildlife.
Originally Posted by mrmarklin
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?

No it will not. Utah is in the Great Basin and none of the water flows to anywhere except the Basin itself.:-(

None of the rivers there flow to the sea.

The eastern half of the state flows into the Colorado river so it will definitely help. One of biggest problems with Powell and Mead is all the western states have cut back on their water allocations, except California. That pos state hasn’t built a reservoir in 40 years. Meanwhile, their population has doubled. Like power and fuel; they steal resources from the surrounding states whist proclaiming how virtuous and green they are.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?
It took over 15 years to fill it the first time.
One wet year won't do it

No, it won’t, but it’ll make a dent.

One thing about big water years, the runoff is proportionally larger. When we have a 60-80% year, the creeks and springs are low to dry, and the vast majority of the water goes into the ground or is used for irrigation before it ever gets to the big water. Once you start getting above 110%, everything over that, for the most part, gets flushed down stream. So one big year can be the equivalent of half a dozen meager years or more.
Glad you guys are getting it!

We've had a couple easy years in this particular area of the Great Lakes.
Glad you guys are getting it!

We've had a couple easy years in this particular area of the Great Lakes.
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by mrmarklin
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?

No it will not. Utah is in the Great Basin and none of the water flows to anywhere except the Basin itself.:-(

Look at the maps.........

All of eastern Utah drains into Powell via the Colorado & Green Rivers

Yet you cite Brighton as the big snowfall location, which is in Big Cottonwood Canyon and does indeed flow into the great sodium chloride lake.
This heavy snow year was predicted a year ago as a result of the Tonga volcano putting so much water in the stratosphere. The question is whether the drought is ending otherwise. If not, the dry will be back next year.
We are in the 250ish% area in that SNOTEL graphic, just over the NV side of Tahoe. Snow on the ground is still pretty impressive, but it'll take years of this to replenish what has been taken out.
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?



so so........

Lake Powell recently measured 21% capacity

we'll see at the end of summer

Everyone wants a S L O W warm up

Just our Snotel station.......28" of water equivalent

Above us, the snow water equivalent at Tony Grove lake is over 48" and Emigrant Summit is about 34". That's a bunch of water that will be coming down, and at 159% the Bear River range has the lowest (percentage of normal) snowpack in the state. Mayberry has been filling sand bags for some time now; I'll take pics if Main St becomes a river.
Great map Lurkin

Very good description of how & where eastern Utah snow pack drains

Many of the Snotel stations on the northern end of Manti Range holding 37" of water

Of course there are reservoirs filling first before the excess drains to Powell

Water in the west has always been an issue back to the pioneer days & always will be

Great Salt Lake ? Another story in itself

The Mormon church recently donated 5700 water shares (20K acre feet) to be used to help fill the GSL

https://water.utah.gov/snowpack/

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I wish y'all would send some of that south and east!
Originally Posted by mark shubert
I wish y'all would send some of that south and east!



None of the leftover AZ storms hitting your area ?

Flagstaff & northern AZ are digging out too

Then off course the PHX east valley flooding
We got more snow last night and are under a winter storm warning again. Snow all next week.

Springtime in the mountains…
tikka, we've only had one decent storm, all year.
It left decent moisture, but overall, we're very dry - all the way from Santa Fe to Raton.
We need a hurricane off the gulf to bring some rain here, we are dry --dry--dry. Rio7
The Salt Lake City weather guy just said that there's a strong likelihood that Alta ski resort will top 800 inches of snow this year. They are already over 700 and they measure through April there. That's just their ski season - they quit measuring when they stop skiing. More snow after that is quite possible.

I've had 4.5" of rain equivalent from snow so far this month, and yesterday's 6" accumulation hasn't started melting yet. With snow and rain forecast all next week again, I'll likely see almost 6" of rain/water just this month. That is HUGE for here.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
The Salt Lake City weather guy just said that there's a strong likelihood that Alta ski resort will top 800 inches of snow this year. They are already over 700 and they measure through April there. That's just their ski season - they quit measuring when they stop skiing. More snow after that is quite possible.

I've had 4.5" of rain equivalent from snow so far this month, and yesterday's 6" accumulation hasn't started melting yet. With snow and rain forecast all next week again, I'll likely see almost 6" of rain/water just this month. That is HUGE for here.


Brighton is the winner so far.......765" with of course more coming......800" isn't far off

Today here.......dry/cold/windy & a high of 30*

Our annual precipitation only is 9-10"

MEGA winter for all the MAGA Utahans
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
This heavy snow year was predicted a year ago as a result of the Tonga volcano putting so much water in the stratosphere. The question is whether the drought is ending otherwise. If not, the dry will be back next year.
that isnt stopping the liberals here in the east ,claiming all your snow is being caused by man made global warming and climite change ,and we need to ban things and tax us more to pay to fix it
Recieved an inch last night, and snowing steady at the moment! This should put over 12 ft on the ground at Crater Lake. We need the water, so come on down!
Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
Originally Posted by mrmarklin
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?

No it will not. Utah is in the Great Basin and none of the water flows to anywhere except the Basin itself.:-(

None of the rivers there flow to the sea.

The eastern half of the state flows into the Colorado river so it will definitely help. One of biggest problems with Powell and Mead is all the western states have cut back on their water allocations, except California.

Not 100% true. California is the lone holdout in signing the agreement that the other states in the Colorado Compact have agreed to, but they have proffered their own plan to cut back their use by 9% per yer until 2026. And the reason for that is, California has some of the most senior water rights in the Colorado Compact, so legally speaking they are entitled to their allotment before the other states take theirs and if it goes to court, they have that advantage. If any of the other states had senior water rights, they would likely use it to their advantage like California is doing.

Not saying it's right, but there it is.
Screw 'em, we'll take the water. I get the feeling that if the west started getting more water they'd want to punish us for it.
I know that many will disagree with me….but, I wish we could get this every year. Our area is one of the driest in Wyoming. I know that the moisture causes it’s share of problems on agriculture, livestock, wildlife…but we’ve had many years of below average precipitation…..and our average is under 6”/annual!

I’d love to see this d@#m Greasewood replaced by Palmetto! memtb
Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Will this help refill lake Powell?
It took over 15 years to fill it the first time.
One wet year won't do it

No, it won’t, but it’ll make a dent.

One thing about big water years, the runoff is proportionally larger. When we have a 60-80% year, the creeks and springs are low to dry, and the vast majority of the water goes into the ground or is used for irrigation before it ever gets to the big water. Once you start getting above 110%, everything over that, for the most part, gets flushed down stream. So one big year can be the equivalent of half a dozen meager years or more.


Not comparable to Powell, but Lake Raystown was expected to take years to fill.
Build for flood control and recreation, it did its job in style.

Just months after being partially completed, Hurricane Agnes hit.
In a couple days it caught 160,000 acre feet of water and prevented
60 million in 1972 dollars in damage.
It's estimated that without the dam the flooding would have exceeded
the historic records.

Sure it's smaller, but it is scalable.
Originally Posted by stomatador
Screw 'em, we'll take the water. I get the feeling that if the west started getting more water they'd want to punish us for it.


Ah, could you please elaborate? Screw who, who is "us," and who would want to "punish us for it?"
Yesterday in the desert.

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That looks cold Sam.
Hey man, we're patiently waiting for spring!
It'll be hotter than hell here in no time. I'm in no hurry.
A late spring does indeed have benefits.
Originally Posted by tikkanut
For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago
Why in the [bleep] would anyone want to visit Mitt Romney s state
Supposedly this was taken at a Nat. Forest campground somewhere in UT. That's an outhouse in the center.

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Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by tikkanut
For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago
Why in the [bleep] would anyone want to visit Mitt Romney s state



It's not mitten's state

Not sure what Iowa has to offer in the terms of anything

Oh Wabi lives there !!
Iowa? Nothing but dirt.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Iowa? Nothing but dirt.
Interspersed with occasional mud. Some years we get virtually nothing like the last 3 years. But, 1993 and 2008 and 2010 we get more than our fair share. Since Utah is getting swamped with snow this year, I figure this is the year we make up for the last 3 years. Maybe even plus a little more. With tornados hitting the south pretty early this year, it might be the year we are truly living in tornado alley.

kwg
As of Friday, the snowpack in the southern Sierra Nevada was at 286% of normal — the highest figure ever, easily eclipsing the region’s benchmark of 263% set in 1969.
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Iowa? Nothing but dirt.
Interspersed with occasional mud. Some years we get virtually nothing like the last 3 years. But, 1993 and 2008 and 2010 we get more than our fair share. Since Utah is getting swamped with snow this year, I figure this is the year we make up for the last 3 years. Maybe even plus a little more. With tornados hitting the south pretty early this year, it might be the year we are truly living in tornado alley.

kwg




I 'need' my mountains & high desert !


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Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by tikkanut
For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago
Why in the [bleep] would anyone want to visit Mitt Romney s state



It's not mitten's state

Not sure what Iowa has to offer in the terms of anything

Oh Wabi lives there !!
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by tikkanut
For you guys back east.......

You usually have no water issues

So when you see water/snow/issues for those of us living in the west

The past.........20 yrs..........

Who gives AF right ?

Well we do

Planning a summer trip to Utah ? Expect adverse conditions off the main traveled path..or even closed roads

Most snow in 40 years ! Brighton Utah for example....743" before this next storm

https://www.ksl.com/article/50606204/utahs-statewide-snowpack-breaks-record-set-40-years-ago
Why in the [bleep] would anyone want to visit Mitt Romney s state



It's not mitten's state

Not sure what Iowa has to offer in the terms of anything

Oh Wabi lives there !!



No thank you
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


In this small town...we will flood. We'll, the places that were built in the flood plain...smh
We have more than usual here too. Ours will make it's way down to New Orleans.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


yep.....I believe ya.......

765" of snow is going down hill when it melts
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


yep.....I believe ya.......

765" of snow is going down hill when it melts


Was hoping for a slow melt...we will see.
A very high percentage of Utahns cannot stand Mitt Romney. My son is one of them.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Supposedly this was taken at a Nat. Forest campground somewhere in UT. That's an outhouse in the center.

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Geez, I hope no one is in there. We still have 3 feet of snow and another 3 feet of ice here with no signs of any serious melting yet.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
A very high percentage of Utahns cannot stand Mitt Romney. My son is one of them.

Hmm...seems a very high percentage of Utahns keep reelecting him.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
We have more than usual here too. Ours will make it's way down to New Orleans.



Shane, good deal!


I wanna see Fort Peck go up rather than down!
Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by Tarquin
A very high percentage of Utahns cannot stand Mitt Romney. My son is one of them.

Hmm...seems a very high percentage of Utahns keep reelecting him.


That's weird.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


yep.....I believe ya.......

765" of snow is going down hill when it melts


Was hoping for a slow melt...we will see.
I hope so, too. But I don't know if it's possible for that much snow to melt slow enough. Not sure where you are, but Utah has been dry for a few years, and now they're making up for it.
Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by Tarquin
A very high percentage of Utahns cannot stand Mitt Romney. My son is one of them.

Hmm...seems a very high percentage of Utahns keep reelecting him.
Mitt has never been re-elected. Even in mass.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


yep.....I believe ya.......

765" of snow is going down hill when it melts


Was hoping for a slow melt...we will see.
I hope so, too. But I don't know if it's possible for that much snow to melt slow enough. Not sure where you are, but Utah has been dry for a few years, and now they're making up for it.




here..........

https://www.sandbagstore.com/
I bought a 25' 5/16" USA chain and another 1" USA shackle for tractor #2.

https://www.uscargocontrol.com/products/Crosby-Anchor-Shackle-Screw-Pin-1-G-209-8-5-Ton


There is a good chain in every pickup and tractor.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by tikkanut
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by achadwick
I flew from Denver to San Diego earlier today and was very impressed with the amount of snow in the high country. Dang!!


We got at least 8" here and that's after it melted off...flooding coming.
This is gonna be a rough spring run off for a lot of people. I was talking to a former co worker and he was telling me that half his loads to Utah right now are sandbags.


yep.....I believe ya.......

765" of snow is going down hill when it melts


Was hoping for a slow melt...we will see.
I hope so, too. But I don't know if it's possible for that much snow to melt slow enough. Not sure where you are, but Utah has been dry for a few years, and now they're making up for it.

I don’t know if it can, either, but I’ll be danged if the creeks aren’t still running at winter levels, and the snow is melting down, if only on the sunny side slopes. All I can figure is that the soil has thawed underneath that snow and is slowly soaking it up.

Of course, that only works as long as we don’t get 60’s and 70’s and wind. But anything that melts slowly now won’t come down all at once.

It looks like temps are going to turn normal in a couple of weeks, let’s hope things continue to go slow.
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I'm glad you'rer getting the moister.
This morning's "occasional flurries" -- and still coming down...

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School cancelled today in Davis county, still coming down hard as of 9 AM. 4 wheeler plow has proved its weight in gold this year!
Originally Posted by 2five7
School cancelled today in Davis county, still coming down hard as of 9 AM. 4 wheeler plow has proved its weight in gold this year!



SOS here today

sunny/windy/cold

We always get 'wind' of the storms up north

38" of SWE on our eastern face of the Manti Range this morning
It’s official. We hit 10’ of snow for the year in Grace. 36 feet on the mountain.

A little less at the farm 500’ lower, thank goodness. We’d have no places to pile the snow if we’d gotten that much. Almost twice the normal amount in the valley. 170% of normal on the mountain. Sun is feeling stronger, and I saw a day above 40 in the forecast today.
South east Oregon here, and well above average. We'll take more if one wants to route it this way. Should be picking up another 5 " or so in a couple days.
Update: Alta ski resort near Salt Lake City just went over 800 inches of total snow since October 1. That's 66+ feet of snow and marks a new all-time record. They aren't done yet. Two more huge storms predicted next week.

The 12" I got Monday melted and I have gotten 14" more so far today. Couldn't get the garbage cans out to the curb.
We bought our son a season’s pass at Stevens Pass and he’s been getting a lot of use out of it. The snowpack in the Cascades is a skier and snowboarders delight. He just came in an hour ago and told us about the ski trip him and his buddies are planning to go on in May down at Big Bear California. He said that they’re planning a full week in May and probably go back again in July for some summer snowboarding. This snowpack is much needed out west and the snow-sport-lovers are in 7th Heaven (not the ski run) and loving it. 👍🏼

I only hope and pray that it melts slowly over a long period of time and no rain until it’s been melted and captured. You good fellows that are at lower elevations and subject to flooding in the event of a rapid warming stay safe and hopefully you are prepared with sandbags and flood insurance. This is the time to prepare for what is likely to come in the near future when it warms up.
Originally Posted by SamOlson
I bought a 25' 5/16" USA chain and another 1" USA shackle for tractor #2.

https://www.uscargocontrol.com/products/Crosby-Anchor-Shackle-Screw-Pin-1-G-209-8-5-Ton


There is a good chain in every pickup and tractor.

I’m always buying shackles at the hardware stores and co-ops when they’re clearancing them out. A couple years ago I bought $400 worth of shackles and miscellaneous stuff for chain and cable hardware…they had end caps with everything 90% off. I bought a shallow head well pump at 90% off and paid $30 for it. I had a couple hundred pounds of shackles, carabiners, gate hinges and latches and I paid about $400 for everything. I doubt I’ll use half of it in my lifetime but I’ll take it up north and I’m sure that eventually I’ll find people that can use something. I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

The 2.5” shackle on that site I couldn’t believe that it’s $1591.00….for a single shackle. Granted it’s a 55 ton rating but $1591.00 seems crazy expensive.
You got a deal!



The USA shackle is $90, a foreign version is $45.

I will GLADLY pay twice the price for piece of mind not to mention supporting the USA.


She's gonna be a mudhole here hopefully in a week or two!
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