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Posted By: rufous Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
As mentioned in a previous thread my wife and I are hoping to buy a 5 acre property and build a home. Our realtor found out yesterday that the seller does not have the mineral rights and neither he nor the realtor that is representing him knows who owns the mineral rights. So we are trying to figure out how that might impact us in the future if we do buy the property and build a home there.

There are natural gas wells in the vicinity but I am not sure how close the nearest one is. I wonder if there is a map of current wells? Our realtor said that if there is a current well nearby then a gas company would not likely drill another one but we are not sure on those details.

Do any of you have any advice on figuring this out? We would obviously not want to build and then have the owner of the mineral rights come in and drill a gas well or something like that.

I called a local gas company but no one was available to answer my questions. Hopefully someone will get back to me.
The mineral rights are probably with the original tract way before any division of it occurred.

When you buy land, get a survey, and close the property transaction at a title company.

The survey will show any easements that affect the land itself, and the Schedule B part of the title commitment issued and researched by the title company will have the recorded documents listed of any mineral rights on the property and who owns them, as well as the book, page and volume the minerals and other easements are filed in.

Realtors and the local gas company have NO clue at all. wink
You need to find out who has the rights and then find out about the lease.

These days I am more worried about gravel than oil and gas.
Posted By: rainshot Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
You can research the mineral rights at the court house. It's public record. These days it's almost impossible to buy mineral rights with any property. You are buying surface rights. Somebody else owns what's under it.
Posted By: Raeford Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Our place was mined[magnesium] back around the turn of the 19th century. Mineral rights are still held.
Our title insurance basically covers our home should someone come forth to mine again.
Out west, that is exactly the title company's job description...to find and identify liens, encumbrances, limitations, exclusions, rights of way, encroachments etc etc. Mineral rights, water rights clearly fall under their purview.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Hire a good landman to sort it out. He'll get you all the answers in a fraction of the time you will.
Posted By: Petro Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
What part of Arkansas. My company operates almost 500 wells in NW Arkansas. PM me if you'd like some insight. To find out who owns the mineral rights, you'll have to go to the courthouse and do a search.
Posted By: mathman Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
If the minerals are under lease you'll want to check the lease for surface use provisions for your tract.
Posted By: JeffA Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
A hundred dollar title search could offer some info, you need to run one anyway.

Realtors are a zero and also not held accountable for anything they might tell you.
JFC
Posted By: Longbob Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
There are also minimum set backs for wells from residential homes along with the minimum number of acres per well. Arkansas may be different, but I would doubt that 5 acres is enough that someone could put a well on your property along with the set back issue.
Posted By: rufous Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Thanks for the info. I sure wish I knew everything about everything like Alwaysoutdoors obviously does.
Mineral rights will be recorded (at least in Oklahoma and Texas) and registered at the county Tax Assessors office.
All land deeds and land ownership records are located there.

As a side note, someone else may hold the "mineral rights", but whoever wants to access the minerals "MUST" negotiate access (ingress/egress) with you, the land "owner".
In the past, "slant wells" were highly illegal. These days, "directional drilling" has become the norm. So there is that. They can produce a zone directly under your home from your neighbors property.
How they determine "what" is being produced from "whom" and which "zone", I have no idea?! The big benefit is that several different formations can be produced from one well site. i.e., less surface damage for more production.
Originally Posted by MartinStrummer
Mineral rights will be recorded (at least in Oklahoma and Texas) and registered at the county Tax Assessors office.
All land deeds and land ownership records are located there.

As a side note, someone else may hold the "mineral rights", but whoever wants to access the minerals "MUST" negotiate access (ingress/egress) with you, the land "owner".
In the past, "slant wells" were highly illegal. These days, "directional drilling" has become the norm. So there is that. They can produce a zone directly under your home from your neighbors property.
How they determine "what" is being produced from "whom" and which "zone", I have no idea?! The big benefit is that several different formations can be produced from one well site. i.e., less surface damage for more production.

They still can't suck the oil out from under your land if they don't have the mineral rights, or your land is not part of the pool of mineral right owners that comprise the drilling unit.

In fact they have setbacks as to how close they can get to the boundaries of the drilling unit.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by MartinStrummer
Mineral rights will be recorded (at least in Oklahoma and Texas) and registered at the county Tax Assessors office.
All land deeds and land ownership records are located there.

As a side note, someone else may hold the "mineral rights", but whoever wants to access the minerals "MUST" negotiate access (ingress/egress) with you, the land "owner".
In the past, "slant wells" were highly illegal. These days, "directional drilling" has become the norm. So there is that. They can produce a zone directly under your home from your neighbors property.
How they determine "what" is being produced from "whom" and which "zone", I have no idea?! The big benefit is that several different formations can be produced from one well site. i.e., less surface damage for more production.

They still can't suck the oil out from under your land if they don't have the mineral rights, or your land is not part of the pool of mineral right owners that comprise the drilling unit.

In fact they have setbacks as to how close they can get to the boundaries of the drilling unit.

This is fact. Hire a landman.....they do this stuff every day.
Posted By: victoro Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
"When you buy land, get a survey, and close the property transaction at a title company."

The title company doesn't always get it right. When I worked for SW Bell we had two full time right of way employees who did nothing but research and buy telephone easements. They spent most of their time proving that we had an existing telephone easement because a title company said we didn't. When I retired I had to go to the tax office to research an easement because the Austin power said the only buried utility easements in a new subdivision were for electric only. I spent many hours at the tax office before I found that the original survey report that showed that the easement Austin power claimed was electric only was actually a Public Utility Easement.
Posted By: plumbum Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by victoro
"When you buy land, get a survey, and close the property transaction at a title company."

The title company doesn't always get it right. P

Yes but that's what title insurance is for.
Posted By: plumbum Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by rufous
As mentioned in a previous thread my wife and I are hoping to buy a 5 acre property and build a home. Our realtor found out yesterday that the seller does not have the mineral rights ....

Start there. Exactly how does he know the seller does not have them?
Records can be tricky. I used to know an old guy here who had an auto repair and salvage yard business on a major 2 lane US highway. He owned a lot of highway frontage. They decided to widen the highway to 4 lanes and they told him to move his junk cars to back behind their easement. He said they didn't have an easement. They said they did. They were wrong. He knew exactly who owned what. They got their easement but they paid him $800,000 for high priced commercial land.
Posted By: Stammster Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
You’re overthinking this. It’s only 5 acres. Move on with life.
Posted By: Petro Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Responded to your pm with my number, feel free to reach out.
Posted By: Sheister Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Another quirk of mineral rights- they must be reclaimed every so often- I think about every 20 years or so by refiling with the county they are in. This happens because the mineral rights get passed down many times and either are forgotten by the heirs , their are no heirs, or the heirs don't care about the mineral rights. If they haven't been reclaimed in the required time frame you can claim the mineral rights by following some simple guidelines, but I can't remember exactly how that works. Our family owns mineral rights adjacent to the Bakken oil field in North Dakota and we went through this a few years ago.
I asked about Mineral Rights with both of my property's
1 here in Commyfornia
1 in Arizona
Both times it just about killed the deals.
Escrow could not find either one of them.

Latter on someone told me that when the Railroad was put in across the Country our Gooberment gave 100 miles each side of the Tracks to the Railroad for building the lines.

So if this is true and I have never verified it my self.
If you have a Rail line with in 100 miles of you property chances are the Railroad owns the Mineral Right.

The City of Redlands owns my Water Rights in Commyfornia.

Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.
Posted By: HNIC Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by Stammster
You’re overthinking this. It’s only 5 acres. Move on with life.


always keep your minerals and fight to get them if its not known. ive paid for multiple large acreages purchased just in leases, surface damages, and pipeline ROW. large as in 440 and 640 acres, paid in full within 5 years of purchase, and now just putting the extra in the bank.

my son bought 1 acre in north fort worth in 2000, he gets anywhere from 40 bucks to 800 bucks a month for the gas under him, and the well isnt even in sight of his property.

anyone who doesnt fight for mineral rights is a idiot
HNIC how do you fight for mineral rights when they have already been sold?
Posted By: Slope77 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Don’t know that I’d worry much about it. In most residential developments, in town or out of town, someone has retained the minerals along the chain of title. Very few “residential” property owners have the minerals. I think there are typically restrictions on exploiting those minerals, relative to the interest of the owner of the surface rights.

What I am saying is that, yes a well may extract the natural gas under your house. From a well pad a mile away and a bore two miles deep. I don’t think anyone is going to be drilling vertical wells on 5 acre plots, but I’m a banker, not a land man.
Posted By: Slope77 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Typically, title companies and title insurance policies address surface rights and access. As I recall, they don’t address minerals except perhaps to note that some deed 75 years ago reserved the minerals - and the mineral interest are then not addressed further.

The oil companies usually employ “land men” to research the records to find the owners of mineral interests, which they have to do before buying or leasing the minerals on a piece of property.
Posted By: Slope77 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Ok, so I am really going beyond what I know on this. It probably varies by state. In ND, if heirs do not correctly file mineral deeds, those mineral interests can be deemed abandoned and the surface owner can go through a process to own the minerals.

That would be unusual if there is good possibility of the minerals actually being produced. Aunt Ethel’s kids in Florida are darn sure going to pay attention to her 1/4 mineral interest on 640 acres in Mountrail County, ND.

Maybe something similar applies where the OP is buying. That is something you can tackle later. If you like the property, buy it and don’t worry about minerals.
Posted By: Slope77 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
One more thing - if the current owner owns the minerals, you can always negotiate for those minerals to be included in the sale. Doesn’t mean you will get them, but it is something to negotiate. They seller probably knows if they have them of if they don’t.
Posted By: Houston_2 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
The Courthouse Conveyance Records is a starting point.
Posted By: bpas105 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
You absolutely need to see the language on those rights, which could give someone the right to drill on that property (and take 3 or more acres to do it) and/or to place a pipeline across it, or even to use the structure below to store gas, etc. This is especially important with the other wells in the area. Even though a formation may be fully developed, there's a likelihood of another formation below that. They're drilling exploration wells over 10,000' near our camp - we never would have imagined that 20 years ago.
Posted By: HNIC Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by MadDog4298
HNIC how do you fight for mineral rights when they have already been sold?


you dont. but if theres no mention of them in title that is when you can fight for them.

you will typically get paid for surface damages, which can add up fast. i wouldnt buy a place if i didnt at least get surface rights. a typical well pad and access road here in south texas will get you 60-100k with surface rights alone, plus a good water well and more gravel than you can use for your ranch roads when they are done. then (if you have surface rights) youll get paid by the "rod" for any pipelines they need to tie in production. it adds up fast, but not as fast as if you had the subsurface minerals. thats where you get your $$$$, negoiate your royaltys, etc.

i have heard of people offering the seller a little more for minerals, or offer full asking price in exchange for 50% royalty or whatever they negoitate
Posted By: Ramdiesel Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.
Originally Posted by HNIC
[quote=MadDog4298]HNIC how do you fight for mineral rights when they have already been sold?


you dont. but if theres no mention of them in title that is when you can fight for them.

you will typically get paid for surface damages, which can add up fast. i wouldnt buy a place if i didnt at least get surface rights. a typical well pad and access road here in south texas will get you 60-100k with surface rights alone, plus a good water well and more gravel than you can use for your ranch roads when they are done. then (if you have surface rights) youll get paid by the "rod" for any pipelines they need to tie in production. it adds up fast, but not as fast as if you had the subsurface minerals. thats where you get your $$$$, negoiate your royaltys, etc.

i have heard of people offering the seller a little more for minerals, or offer full asking price in exchange for 50% royalty or whatever they negoitate[/quote

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Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.


Ya I heard about this and they threatened the new property purchasers with not letting them have their water rights because of what the middle easterners are doing.

We had some concerns up our way because of the new laws being tested but we are on a totally different Aquifer under our Community.

Anyone wanting to try and plant crops in the dry desert needs to have their brain tested.
But when Gooberment kick back come into play anything go's for the highest bidder.
Posted By: OSU_Sig Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Part of the buyers due diligence is to have an attorney do a title opinion on the property. This will tell you if there are easements and any other conditions that could affect the property. Any oil/gas exploration that might be considered can only occur after an agreement is reached with the land owner. The royalty owners have no say in surface damages unless the royalty owner is also the surface owner.
Do your due diligence and don't worry about a gas well being drilled outside your bedroom window. It won't happen.
Posted By: Hogwild7 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/15/24
Where I live in Arkansas the railroad companies that laid track own the mineral rights several miles either side of the old tracks.
Posted By: dale06 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/16/24
If the seller owns the mineral rights, as a buyer, you can try to negotiate to buy them from the seller. You might be able to buy 100% of the minerals, or 0% or anywhere in between.
I bought some land in Ks in 2009. That land had been resold several times in the previous 10 years and each seller reserved a % of the minerals (oil) for a certain number of years into the future. One of those previous owners reserve expired in 2012, another in 2020, and the last one expires in 2025. So at this time, I own 75% of the land owner mineral rights and will own 100% in 2025.
Posted By: Ramdiesel Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/16/24
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.


Ya I heard about this and they threatened the new property purchasers with not letting them have their water rights because of what the middle easterners are doing.

We had some concerns up our way because of the new laws being tested but we are on a totally different Aquifer under our Community.

Anyone wanting to try and plant crops in the dry desert needs to have their brain tested.
But when Gooberment kick back come into play anything go's for the highest bidder.

They have tons of water problems in Arizona from North to South. It costs thousands to drill wells near the Flagstaff, Williams, Seligman area where a lot of little Homesteads are sold...The wells are pretty deep there and hard to get a good one....Could be pumping tons of money into a dry hole...

I think the Feds have also recently given Cali a bigger chunk of the water from the Colorado river too hosing AZ and Nevada..The Valley has grown so much in the past few years they are always concerned about water usage, but they let Saudis come here and suck up all the groundwater south of Phoenix for their hay? NUTS!!!

I researched and bought a couple of plots of land by Vernon, near Showlow. The best aquifer in the state is over that way and not very deep to drill a well, maybe 300 feet down in most places. Hopefully they don't screw up the rules really bad...Would like to build a cabin over that way someday..
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.


Ya I heard about this and they threatened the new property purchasers with not letting them have their water rights because of what the middle easterners are doing.

We had some concerns up our way because of the new laws being tested but we are on a totally different Aquifer under our Community.

Anyone wanting to try and plant crops in the dry desert needs to have their brain tested.
But when Gooberment kick back come into play anything go's for the highest bidder.

They have tons of water problems in Arizona from North to South. It costs thousands to drill wells near the Flagstaff, Williams, Seligman area where a lot of little Homesteads are sold...The wells are pretty deep there and hard to get a good one....Could be pumping tons of money into a dry hole...

I think the Feds have also recently given Cali a bigger chunk of the water from the Colorado river too hosing AZ and Nevada..The Valley has grown so much in the past few years they are always concerned about water usage, but they let Saudis come here and suck up all the groundwater south of Phoenix for their hay? NUTS!!!

I researched and bought a couple of plots of land by Vernon, near Showlow. The best aquifer in the state is over that way and not very deep to drill a well, maybe 300 feet down in most places. Hopefully they don't screw up the rules really bad...Would like to build a cabin over that way someday..


It cost me 16K to drill a well hit 15 gal. a minute at around 325 ft.
I got greedy because y neighbors around me had from 40 to 100 gal. a minute and had the driller drill down to 425 ft to see if I could get more and I still only have 15 gal. a minute.

My property is between Kingman and Seligman in the hill around 5400 to 5600 ft elevation and I have been told by many that we have good water and lots of it under our community

I have been hauling water into my place for years and it get old very fast.
My next trip up there I will drop the pump in the well everything else has been installed and waiting for the pump.
The Drop Pipe was the delay.
Posted By: Ramdiesel Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/16/24
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.


Ya I heard about this and they threatened the new property purchasers with not letting them have their water rights because of what the middle easterners are doing.

We had some concerns up our way because of the new laws being tested but we are on a totally different Aquifer under our Community.

Anyone wanting to try and plant crops in the dry desert needs to have their brain tested.
But when Gooberment kick back come into play anything go's for the highest bidder.

They have tons of water problems in Arizona from North to South. It costs thousands to drill wells near the Flagstaff, Williams, Seligman area where a lot of little Homesteads are sold...The wells are pretty deep there and hard to get a good one....Could be pumping tons of money into a dry hole...

I think the Feds have also recently given Cali a bigger chunk of the water from the Colorado river too hosing AZ and Nevada..The Valley has grown so much in the past few years they are always concerned about water usage, but they let Saudis come here and suck up all the groundwater south of Phoenix for their hay? NUTS!!!

I researched and bought a couple of plots of land by Vernon, near Showlow. The best aquifer in the state is over that way and not very deep to drill a well, maybe 300 feet down in most places. Hopefully they don't screw up the rules really bad...Would like to build a cabin over that way someday..


It cost me 16K to drill a well hit 15 gal. a minute at around 325 ft.
I got greedy because y neighbors around me had from 40 to 100 gal. a minute and had the driller drill down to 425 ft to see if I could get more and I still only have 15 gal. a minute.

My property is between Kingman and Seligman in the hill around 5400 to 5600 ft elevation and I have been told by many that we have good water and lots of it under our community

I have been hauling water into my place for years and it get old very fast.
My next trip up there I will drop the pump in the well everything else has been installed and waiting for the pump.
The Drop Pipe was the delay.

I'm glad it's working out for you. I know some people that drilled closer to Williams area and spent over 70k trying a couple of different spots. Got water for a few months, then it dried up on them...:(...They are back to hauling water and hate it too, and heartbroken over losing all that money.

There's a lot of community wells where I bought in Vernon and people that will haul water for you. I've been lucky though, I have a neighbor nearby the land I bought in Vernon that has a well and would agree to let us go into a contract to share water for a set price like 40 dollars a month, and of course help pay for maintenance on the well...Plus they just ran electric poles nearby the land about a month ago for another house down the road..The road is regularly maintained by the county now which is a big deal in that area due to washes. Got the land dirt cheap many years ago, and seems like everything is falling in place...
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Originally Posted by Ramdiesel
Originally Posted by funshooter
Arizona did a good thing for the property owners in Arizona.
If you own a certain sized Property the Water Rights are yours.

So I own the Water Right for my own personal use in Arizona.

Other States may have different laws.

Not so good when the Saudis came here to AZ and bought up a bunch of farm land and got a bunch of leased land from the government to grow Alphalpha Hay in the middle of our desert because they were smart enough to outlaw growing it in their own desert because it takes so much water. They've basically sucked all the groundwater out of the ground for their hay and dried up all the neighboring farms water wells for miles and miles..

They've really got some dumb people running this state.


Ya I heard about this and they threatened the new property purchasers with not letting them have their water rights because of what the middle easterners are doing.

We had some concerns up our way because of the new laws being tested but we are on a totally different Aquifer under our Community.

Anyone wanting to try and plant crops in the dry desert needs to have their brain tested.
But when Gooberment kick back come into play anything go's for the highest bidder.

They have tons of water problems in Arizona from North to South. It costs thousands to drill wells near the Flagstaff, Williams, Seligman area where a lot of little Homesteads are sold...The wells are pretty deep there and hard to get a good one....Could be pumping tons of money into a dry hole...

I think the Feds have also recently given Cali a bigger chunk of the water from the Colorado river too hosing AZ and Nevada..The Valley has grown so much in the past few years they are always concerned about water usage, but they let Saudis come here and suck up all the groundwater south of Phoenix for their hay? NUTS!!!

I researched and bought a couple of plots of land by Vernon, near Showlow. The best aquifer in the state is over that way and not very deep to drill a well, maybe 300 feet down in most places. Hopefully they don't screw up the rules really bad...Would like to build a cabin over that way someday..


It cost me 16K to drill a well hit 15 gal. a minute at around 325 ft.
I got greedy because y neighbors around me had from 40 to 100 gal. a minute and had the driller drill down to 425 ft to see if I could get more and I still only have 15 gal. a minute.

My property is between Kingman and Seligman in the hill around 5400 to 5600 ft elevation and I have been told by many that we have good water and lots of it under our community

I have been hauling water into my place for years and it get old very fast.
My next trip up there I will drop the pump in the well everything else has been installed and waiting for the pump.
The Drop Pipe was the delay.

I'm glad it's working out for you. I know some people that drilled closer to Williams area and spent over 70k trying a couple of different spots. Got water for a few months, then it dried up on them...:(...They are back to hauling water and hate it too, and heartbroken over losing all that money.

There's a lot of community wells where I bought in Vernon and people that will haul water for you. I've been lucky though, I have a neighbor nearby the land I bought in Vernon that has a well and would agree to let us go into a contract to share water for a set price like 40 dollars a month, and of course help pay for maintenance on the well...Plus they just ran electric poles nearby the land about a month ago for another house down the road..The road is regularly maintained by the county now which is a big deal in that area due to washes. Got the land dirt cheap many years ago, and seems like everything is falling in place...


We have a Community called Fort Rock right next to ours and they have poor water for the most part.
They had one guy drill down to 1000 ft and got 1 gal. a minute.

I am glad I lucked out and purchased the property I did. 9 miles on a dirt road North of hwy 40. Not very many looky loows make it that far back.
"... They still can't suck the oil out from under your land if they don't have the mineral rights, or your land is not part of the pool of mineral right owners that comprise the drilling unit. ..."

Exactly. That's what I meant by ... How they determine "what" is being produced from "whom" and which "zone", I have no idea?!

I can only surmise that seismograph (sp?) gives producers a clear enough idea of where formations are and what (?) belongs to who (?).

The very reason ol' John Doe doesn't need to deal with drilling/production companies FTF. You need a professional who knows "what's what"!
They can inject chemicals into the formation to see if the oil you are producing is your or not.
Posted By: rufous Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/27/24
We made an offer on the property yesterday and it was accepted today. It turns out a retired landman lives across the road from the property and he backed up what Petro told me. Odds of the mineral rights owner wanting to put in a gas well on our property is slim to none. Guess we will be having a home built for us.
Originally Posted by MartinStrummer
"... They still can't suck the oil out from under your land if they don't have the mineral rights, or your land is not part of the pool of mineral right owners that comprise the drilling unit. ..."

Exactly. That's what I meant by ... How they determine "what" is being produced from "whom" and which "zone", I have no idea?!

I can only surmise that seismograph (sp?) gives producers a clear enough idea of where formations are and what (?) belongs to who (?).

The very reason ol' John Doe doesn't need to deal with drilling/production companies FTF. You need a professional who knows "what's what"!


The reason I asked for who owns the mineral rights on the property's I have purchased is because there was a housing track in Utah when I was in High School where they found oil.
The oil company's wanted the oil but did not want to buy up all of the houses over the oil.

I found out about the situation because I was going to purchase (1) of the lots and build my first home in that area

The oil company's diagonally drilled under those home to get the oil out from under them and it created some issues with the homes.
This was back in the 70s or 80s
I never purchased that lot that I wanted and never built the home.

Big money talks and the little guy most always gets screwed.
Posted By: okie Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/27/24
In many cases gas wells are set on a 640 acre spacing and if more wells are allowed in a spacing many times they will be drilled from an existing location using directional methods which saves the drilling company money by not having the additional costs of more surface damage to landowners. We have one location that has had four wells drilled from it all producing oil.
Posted By: minengr Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/28/24
Originally Posted by rufous
There are natural gas wells in the vicinity but I am not sure how close the nearest one is. I wonder if there is a map of current wells? Our realtor said that if there is a current well nearby then a gas company would not likely drill another one but we are not sure on those details.

Access and availability to this information varies wildly from state to state. In IL I could answer you question in seconds. I work for my states Abandoned Mine Lands department. So I'm familiar with how to find some of this. Knowing what to search for helps. I found this in a couple of minutes. It might be of some help

https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgis.arkansas.gov%2Farcgis%2Frest%2Fservices%2FFEATURESERVICES%2FUtilities%2FFeatureServer%2F5&source=sd

https://gis.arkansas.gov/product/arkansas-oil-and-gas-wells/
Posted By: rufous Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/28/24
Thanks Minengr, I will check it out.
I did a Google search for Arizona Mineral Rights this morning.
I less that 5 minutes I had a free Land Report that stated just about everything about my property.

I asked my escrow company when I purchased the property to find out who owned the mineral rights and the held up my purchase until I left the mineral rights question alone because they could not find the information for me.


5 minutes is all it took me to get my free land report and there was more than just the mineral right holder in that report.
Posted By: Angus55 Re: Mineral rights questions - 01/29/24
Get the best Oil and Gas lawyer you can find, we did years ago and his family has been ranchers for ever out here, he understands and takes care of us, completely trust him, he has made us money.
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