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Chaps my ass.

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This crap has to stop somewhere.

It would send at least a small signal if the contractor pulled off the job or maybe if the sheriff shut down public access to the reservation and checked everybody for U.S. citizenship.

Yeah, I know, harassment.

No problem - tell 'em to build their own damn crane, then.
Easy fix, pull all federal aid from the little sons a bitches............ Your either with us or against us! Les
Sovereign nation? Throw up a high fence around it. NO ONE comes out the gate without a valid passport. NO money goes in for roads, schools, etc. NO police or military troops will go in to settle crime issues.

Dick
I got bad news for the indians. THEY LOST! They lost the indian wars with the U.S. There fore they are not entitled to any benefits. They have an obligation to integrate in to the winners society. I'm with Rock Chuck. They get nothing except for the opportunity to pay taxes and draw social security after age 62 just like the rest of us. kwg
On the other hand, the Sioux at one of their ceremonies last year prominently displayed the American Flag. A lot of them were veterans, but they also looked upon the Flag not so much politically (except for the vets) but also as a "totem" of power.

I can understand that.

Also, at the Commeration of the Little Big Horn, the Crow and the Sioux had some words, as the Souix still holds the cooperation of the Crow against them. They came anyway.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Sovereign nation? Throw up a high fence around it. NO ONE comes out the gate without a valid passport. NO money goes in for roads, schools, etc. NO police or military troops will go in to settle crime issues.

Dick


I have always thought the whole indian "Sovereign Nation" thing is a bunch of hooey. It is for the most part a creation of the courts--and then the congress simply followed suit. I have some sympathy for the American indians and what happened to them--but I'm not apoligizing for it either. And that's what this is mostly about--continually apoligizing--it's one of the best weapons the "victims" of everything white and male the "victims" have.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Sovereign nation? Throw up a high fence around it. NO ONE comes out the gate without a valid passport. NO money goes in for roads, schools, etc. NO police or military troops will go in to settle crime issues.

Dick


No customers for the casino too?
Sovereign nation? Throw up a high fence around it. NO ONE comes out the gate without a valid passport. NO money goes in for roads, schools, etc. NO police or military troops will go in to settle crime issues.

Dick



I'm with you Rockchuck.
Originally Posted by Pumpkinheaver
Sovereign nation? Throw up a high fence around it. NO ONE comes out the gate without a valid passport. NO money goes in for roads, schools, etc. NO police or military troops will go in to settle crime issues.

Dick

I'm with you Rockchuck.


Won't work because the Indians have dual citizenship, their own and American. We they want to exit they just flash their US passport Many of them would be delighted if they had complete control of their internal law enforcement.

The only solution is to provoke them into attacking us and make the NEXT treaty much tougher, correcting the errors of the present ones..
The construction company should pull out and refuse to do the job. Others should do likewise and let them use some of the millions that they're running through their casinos to buy their own friggin crane and build the thing themselves.

Funny thing about how that little dollar rules so much ain't it?
Originally Posted by kwg020
I got bad news for the indians. THEY LOST! They lost the indian wars with the U.S. There fore they are not entitled to any benefits. They have an obligation to integrate in to the winners society. I'm with Rock Chuck. They get nothing except for the opportunity to pay taxes and draw social security after age 62 just like the rest of us. kwg


We are still obligated to honor the treaties we signed so we would not have to fight them any more.

I am a bit ashamed of the manner in which that obligation has been honored.
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Remington also noted that the flag was "undignified" atop the crane and it wasn't being taken down at night. He also noted it had been blown away several times, in Colorado's famous winds.


Y'all missed this part. Technically, the tribal council member is correct. And, if the rez, as he describes it is THAT patriotic, the undignified and unceremonious display is likely far more correct than flying it on the crane.

Be too quick to judge, and often be a judged a fool...

That said, I still want more proof, one way or the other.
WND is often no more reliable than Rense.com
There are many vets on that reservation. A flag flown at night, should be lighted. The southern ute, has one of the highest credit ratings in the world; they pay their bills, if that helps.
If they don't respect the flag...then stop fed aid
A little perspective please. Indians have their share of nuts, opportunists and radical kooks like any other population. Ferinstnace San Francisco mayor Newsome who dictated that no city employee can in any way help to catch illegals. How about the seasonal antics of Dennis Kucinich whose latest move is to introduce legislation to impeach Cheney? And then there is Sen. Harry Reid...

Unfortunately the nature of tribal governments makes the nuts all the more apparent.
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
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Remington also noted that the flag was "undignified" atop the crane and it wasn't being taken down at night. He also noted it had been blown away several times, in Colorado's famous winds.


Y'all missed this part. Technically, the tribal council member is correct. And, if the rez, as he describes it is THAT patriotic, the undignified and unceremonious display is likely far more correct than flying it on the crane.

Be too quick to judge, and often be a judged a fool...

That said, I still want more proof, one way or the other.


Maybe, but to me, it just looks like a little "justification" after the fact, trying to give a "legitimate" reason to their "personal" demands.

If it was just that the flag blew off, how about an offer to let it fly if reinforced? Or set up a spotlight at night? Didn't see that part...

"Tribal member Sage Remington, who was knowledgeable of the tribal council decision, said it included the recognition of the tribe as a sovereign nation, and its ability to choose whether it wants a flag to be flown."

"It is a sovereign nation," Remington told the Herald. "There really is no precedent for flying an American flag unless it's requested by the tribal constituency."

"But he said tribal members apparently expressed discontent about the flag both to the tribal council and the construction company."

"I think they heard from other people that this was not the right thing to do," Remington said."

Nope, this one is about flexing their muscles, cause they feel protected on their piece of land. It's nothing more than a "We'll show you who's boss around here" attitude, as they continue to suck tax dollars.

Sorry, I'm not into special rights, and reservations are nothing but.


Some natives seem to regard their treaties like I regard my second amendment. We are deceived by a scrap of paper. That was then; this is now.
What will it take for the largest ethnic group in this country to revolt and take back the nation we forged? Its too damn@d bad that we are divided 50-50...red-blue...They have us right where they want us, it appears. What ever happened to the NAAWP? I guess Duke was a crook; too bad. frown
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